Hi,
Realising that the blog post by Neil Soiffer on trying to make
Wikipedia math accessible is not working (due to 404 error), I am
forwarding this thread from the BlindMath list. Read message 3 from
Neil.
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Today's Topics:
1. Reading Math on the Internet (GianniP46)
2. Re: Reading Math on the Internet (Pranav Lal)
3. Re: Reading Math on the Internet (Neil Soiffer)
4. Re: Reading Math on the Internet (Bente Casile)
5. Re: Reading Math on the Internet (George Bell)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 23:51:41 -0400
From: "GianniP46" <gianni...@earthlink.net>
To: "BlindMathList" <blindm...@nfbnet.org>
Subject: [Blindmath] Reading Math on the Internet
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Hi all,
I was on wikipedia looking up some stuff and was having difficulty
reading equations with Jaws. It seams like there is some sort of
syntax they use. For example, I tried to look up Heron's formula, but
couldn't make any sense of it.
Also, I was looking at completing the square and I was having
difficulty with some of that syntax as well. Is it a specific syntax
they are using that I should learn? anyone have any info on it?
Gian Carlo Pedulla
gianni...@earthlink.net
LETS! GO! METS!
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 10:40:21 +0530
From: "Pranav Lal" <pranav....@gmail.com>
To: "'GianniP46'" <gianni...@earthlink.net>, "'Blind Math list for
those interested in mathematics'" <blindm...@nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Reading Math on the Internet
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Hi,
I suspect you are running into LaTex.
Pranav
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 22:11:36 -0700
From: Neil Soiffer <ne...@dessci.com>
To: GianniP46 <gianni...@earthlink.net>, Blind Math list for those
interested in mathematics <blindm...@nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Reading Math on the Internet
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Here's a little "secret" that I'm planning to blog about once MathPlayer
3.0 comes out (really, really soon): you can make Wikipedia pages use
MathJax. That means that if you read the pages via IE+MathPlayer, the math
is accessible (mostly -- there are some equations that are not coded
correctly, but almost all are).
There are several steps that you need to do, and sadly two of them are not
accessible so you will need a sighted colleague, but they are all "do it
once, work always on that computer".
I will detail all the steps in a blog, but the short form is:
1. Create an account on Wikipedia (inaccessible captcha).
2. In preferences, appearances, at the bottom click on "MathJax
(experimental; best for most browsers)"
3. Click "save" at the bottom.
4. Go to a Wikipedia page with math on it. Right click on an equation,
choose math renderer as MathML. This is inaccessible.
5. You will now hear the math spoken. Based on some feedback, be aware
that JAWS seems to wait for MathJax to render all the math, and this might
mean a 10 second pause or more before hearing anything on the page. Some
people have thought JAWS died. Be patient!
Good luck,
Neil Soiffer
Senior Scientist
Design Science, Inc.
www.dessci.com
~ Makers of MathType, MathFlow, MathPlayer, MathDaisy, Equation Editor ~
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 8:51 PM, GianniP46 <gianni...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Hi all,
> I was on wikipedia looking up some stuff and was having difficulty reading
> equations with Jaws. It seams like there is some sort of syntax they use.
> For example, I tried to look up Heron's formula, but couldn't make any
> sense of it.
>
> Also, I was looking at completing the square and I was having difficulty
> with some of that syntax as well. Is it a specific syntax they are using
> that I should learn? anyone have any info on it?
>
>
> Gian Carlo Pedulla
> gianni...@earthlink.net
>
> LETS! GO! METS!
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 03:32:41 -0500
From: "Bente Casile" <be...@casilenc.com>
To: "'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'"
<blindm...@nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Reading Math on the Internet
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Neil,
As always you are so helpful. My students will LOVE this! Thanks for
sharing.
Bente
-----Original Message-----
From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-boun...@nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Neil
Soiffer
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 12:12 AM
To: GianniP46; Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Reading Math on the Internet
Here's a little "secret" that I'm planning to blog about once MathPlayer
3.0 comes out (really, really soon): you can make Wikipedia pages use
MathJax. That means that if you read the pages via IE+MathPlayer, the math
is accessible (mostly -- there are some equations that are not coded
correctly, but almost all are).
There are several steps that you need to do, and sadly two of them are not
accessible so you will need a sighted colleague, but they are all "do it
once, work always on that computer".
I will detail all the steps in a blog, but the short form is:
1. Create an account on Wikipedia (inaccessible captcha).
2. In preferences, appearances, at the bottom click on "MathJax
(experimental; best for most browsers)"
3. Click "save" at the bottom.
4. Go to a Wikipedia page with math on it. Right click on an equation,
choose math renderer as MathML. This is inaccessible.
5. You will now hear the math spoken. Based on some feedback, be aware
that JAWS seems to wait for MathJax to render all the math, and this might
mean a 10 second pause or more before hearing anything on the page. Some
people have thought JAWS died. Be patient!
Good luck,
Neil Soiffer
Senior Scientist
Design Science, Inc.
www.dessci.com
~ Makers of MathType, MathFlow, MathPlayer, MathDaisy, Equation Editor ~
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 8:51 PM, GianniP46 <gianni...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Hi all,
> I was on wikipedia looking up some stuff and was having difficulty
> reading equations with Jaws. It seams like there is some sort of syntax
they use.
> For example, I tried to look up Heron's formula, but couldn't make
> any sense of it.
>
> Also, I was looking at completing the square and I was having
> difficulty with some of that syntax as well. Is it a specific syntax
> they are using that I should learn? anyone have any info on it?
>
>
> Gian Carlo Pedulla
> gianni...@earthlink.net
>
> LETS! GO! METS!
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 09:58:28 +0000
From: George Bell <geo...@techno-vision.co.uk>
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Hi Bente,
I have to endorse your comment about Neil being helpful. Indeed the
whole Design Science team have been incredibly helpful in the braille
math work I've been doing with Duxbury.
It's very unusual to have such co-operation and enthusiasm from many
developers these days, and I hope that this is being reflected in
their sales. Having seen this type of thing before, I know that as
often as not, where such a product is proven to be accessible, it is
also purchased in other areas of schools.
Interesting enough, one of our Universities over here is being very
helpful in work we are doing towards improving the production of
braille from raw LaTeX. It's early days yet, but an encouraging
comment from them was that, "... the braille was more than adequate
for teaching purposes". Albeit an introductory year student, he ended
up with a remarkable 100% in the end of year exam.
George.
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From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-boun...@nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bente Casile
Sent: 28 March 2013 08:33
To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Reading Math on the Internet
Neil,
As always you are so helpful. My students will LOVE this! Thanks for sharing.
Bente
-----Original Message-----
From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-boun...@nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Neil Soiffer
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 12:12 AM
To: GianniP46; Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Reading Math on the Internet
Here's a little "secret" that I'm planning to blog about once MathPlayer
3.0 comes out (really, really soon): you can make Wikipedia pages use
MathJax. That means that if you read the pages via IE+MathPlayer, the
math is accessible (mostly -- there are some equations that are not
coded correctly, but almost all are).
There are several steps that you need to do, and sadly two of them are
not accessible so you will need a sighted colleague, but they are all
"do it once, work always on that computer".
I will detail all the steps in a blog, but the short form is:
1. Create an account on Wikipedia (inaccessible captcha).
2. In preferences, appearances, at the bottom click on "MathJax
(experimental; best for most browsers)"
3. Click "save" at the bottom.
4. Go to a Wikipedia page with math on it. Right click on an
equation, choose math renderer as MathML. This is inaccessible.
5. You will now hear the math spoken. Based on some feedback, be
aware that JAWS seems to wait for MathJax to render all the math, and
this might mean a 10 second pause or more before hearing anything on
the page. Some people have thought JAWS died. Be patient!
Good luck,
Neil Soiffer
Senior Scientist
Design Science, Inc.
www.dessci.com
~ Makers of MathType, MathFlow, MathPlayer, MathDaisy, Equation Editor ~
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 8:51 PM, GianniP46 <gianni...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Hi all,
> I was on wikipedia looking up some stuff and was having difficulty
> reading equations with Jaws. It seams like there is some sort of
> syntax
they use.
> For example, I tried to look up Heron's formula, but couldn't make
> any sense of it.
>
> Also, I was looking at completing the square and I was having
> difficulty with some of that syntax as well. Is it a specific syntax
> they are using that I should learn? anyone have any info on it?
>
>
> Gian Carlo Pedulla
> gianni...@earthlink.net
>
> LETS! GO! METS!
> _______________________________________________
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> com
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