Dear Kiran, It is nice to have your moderation after sometime. I also appreciate your positive attitude. But, you have not attended to the issue and simply hushing it up. You will agree that this is not the best solution. You must clearly express weather, sexual harassment of VI women is subject for AI or not. Once you give your opinion on this, others can take a view on the same. Please take your time, but give your opinion as the moderator. regards
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rakesh Kumar Gupta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Moderated: RE: Proposal for starting a separate group on > Hello Kiran, > Thanks for your positive attitude for best solution of this critical > issue. > Rakesh. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kiran Kaja" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> > Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 4:14 PM > Subject: [AI] Moderated: RE: Proposal for starting a separate group on > > >> Hi all, >> >> I think we have had enough discussion on this thread. I request all >> members >> to continue with the topics of the list. As I have mentioned time and >> again, >> if you have any concerns or personal remarks to be made, please send them >> to >> me directly or to the person in question. Let us not argue this point any >> further. >> >> Regards, >> Kiran. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dr. Vipin K. >> Malhotra >> Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 7:14 AM >> To: Ram; accessindia@accessindia.org.in >> Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on >> >> Dear Mr. Ram, >> I respect your feelings! >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ram" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "Chetan Sharma" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; >> <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >> Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 5:46 AM >> Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on >> >> >>> Dear Dr. Vipin, >>> I am not sure that my earlier message on AI reached you, as I didn't >>> get the feedback and the same mail in my PC. Since, most of the AI >>> members are of the opinion that sexual harassment of VI women is a >>> very serious issue and can be discussed on AI, please respect the >>> majority opinion and contribute. >>> I am sure, with your vast experience and interaction with students, >>> you should be having constructive suggestions on the subject. We will >>> be obliged, if you share. Let us have your contribution and not >>> objection. >>> Please, let us stop this conflict here. I am very encouraged to sign >>> out of this AI, as I don't understand the negative discussion on such >>> an important subject. Kethan, please note this. >>> regards >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Chetan Sharma" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; >>> <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >>> Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 1:18 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on >>> >>> >>>> No sir, though, you have not proven your point at all, but i still >>>> think personal comments should be avoided, If i like, i can start to >>>> think that earth is flat and nobody will object it as long as i don't >>>> argue that >>> earth >>>> is really flat and try to convince others to believe the same. But if >>>> i decide that i will keep on insisting my view point till all persons >>>> in the world agree that earth is flat, this will not work at all. >>>> Still, i am not able to understand why sexual harassment of Blind >>>> women is beyond the scope of this list. When we discuss each and >>>> every problem >>> faced >>>> by VIs then why to exclude this one? Are we selfish enough to think >>>> that since we majority of male will not face this problem therefore >>>> it is off topic? Now, i realize why one of our friend, Rajesh Parakh >>>> went so far to put forward his thoughts. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Chetan Sharma >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >>>> Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 7:54 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on >>>> >>>> >>>> >I have proved my point beyond doubt. >>>> > These personal remarks in no way going to either hurt me nor I >>>> >would >>> like >>>> > that I should reciprocate you in this public foray. >>>> > Who is a disgrace to whom could be proved by reasons and deeds! >>>> > >>>> > But here it is not in my agenda of discussion! >>>> > these personal remarks certainly could put you in trouble. >>>> > Laws regarding defamation are very strong. >>>> > In case I file a suit against you would have to deposit your >>>> > passport >>> and >>>> > visit for attending the courts here. >>>> > But rest assured I am not going to do any of such thing. >>>> > With care and concern, >>>> > Vip >>>> > >>>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>>> > From: "Vetrivel Murugan Adhimoolam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> > To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >>>> > Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 8:15 AM >>>> > Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >> That's indeed very true. But my another concern is that those poor >>>> >> students who have to listen to similar things in their class room >>>> >> and it can actually give a bad name to visually impaired >>>> >> community. >>>> >> >>>> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> >> From: "Taraprakash" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> >> To: "Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; >>>> >> <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >>>> >> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 9:12 AM >>>> >> Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >>> Dear sir. Talking about sex and sexual harassment are two >>>> >>> different things. >>>> >>> If the mail I am responding to was written by a college lecturer, >>>> >>> I am afraid, we can't stop this evil. You really need a refresher >>>> >>> course >>> for >>>> >>> social and gender sensitization. >>>> >>> Good luck >>>> >>> >>>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> >>> From: "Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> >>> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >>>> >>> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 10:51 AM >>>> >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> At least my friends have realized that this topic is a deviation >>>> >>>> from the central focus of this group. >>>> >>>> I hope in future they would find a legitimate forum to raise >>>> >>>> such issues. >>>> >>>> As far as my friend who suggested that this issue could be >>>> >>>> raised on >>> a >>>> >>>> group >>>> >>>> called dreams and romance. I don't think he made any invaluable >>>> >>>> suggestion. >>>> >>>> The issue of sexual harassment is a love crime it could always >>>> >>>> be >>> dealt >>>> >>>> on >>>> >>>> such forums. If we could discuss issues arising out of virus >>>> >>>> and malwares on this list related to technology. Than why not >>>> >>>> such maladies be discussed in the pertinent list. It is a crime >>>> >>>> related to romance and emotions. >>>> >>>> So >>>> >>>> its >>>> >>>> remedy could always be sought on such list. Where people should >>>> >>>> understand the value of some one's emotions. >>>> >>>> Discussing sex is not a crime rather as Freud puts it is the >>>> >>>> motive force in guiding human behavior whether professional or >>>> >>>> otherwise. >>>> >>>> In this list we can discuss cyber crimes not crimes related to >>>> >>>> sex. >>>> >>>> The discussion should be conclusive only when every body is >>>> >>>> convinced about certain things which are related to his argument >>>> >>>> and presumptions. >>>> >>>> It is always good to argue only healthy arguments could lead us >>> towards >>>> >>>> a >>>> >>>> rational approach in life! >>>> >>>> I would keep on writing till you people are convinced that law >>>> >>>> has >>> its >>>> >>>> on >>>> >>>> importance. No one could let himself be convinced that he or she >>>> >>>> is above law! >>>> >>>> With regards, >>>> >>>> Vip >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> >>>> From: "P. Subramani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> >>>> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >>>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 12:40 PM >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> What is wrong in discussing issues of sexual harassment >>>> >>>>> particularly those raised Smirthi Singh? Although our group is >>>> >>>>> for discussing accessibility, once a while there could be a >>>> >>>>> deviation. This topic does really concern all of us. In any >>>> >>>>> group for that matter, there will be some deviation >>> of >>>> >>>>> topics >>>> >>>>> sometimes. So why don't accept and go on rather than otherwise. >>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> >>>>> From: "Vetrivel Murugan Adhimoolam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> >>>>> To: "Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; >>>> >>>>> <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >>>> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 1:08 AM >>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> Dear Members, I have personally written to the moderator on >>>> >>>>>> this issue. >>>> >>>>>> So >>>> >>>>>> could we wait until a decision is made on this? Please....... >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> >>>>>> From: "Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> >>>>>> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >>>> >>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 11:52 PM >>>> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>I am putting the things in clear words again! Emphasis added >>>> >>>>>>>it is not a question of discussing matters pertaining to >>>> >>>>>>>sexual harassment or some thing else and their relevance >>>> >>>>>>>for VCs. Question is since we have >>> disowned >>>> >>>>>>> several >>>> >>>>>>> members from this list already. Why to just pick and choose. >>>> >>>>>>> It is >>> a >>>> >>>>>>> known >>>> >>>>>>> fact that this group is related to issues arising out of >>>> >>>>>>> accessibility and otherwise. its not that we are that we are >>>> >>>>>>> not concerned about >>> these >>>> >>>>>>> social >>>> >>>>>>> issues. But again the question is, is it a proper forum to >>>> >>>>>>> rays such issues? >>>> >>>>>>> Though our parliament is competant to make laws for whole of >>>> >>>>>>> the territory of india. But it can not alter the basic >>>> >>>>>>> structure of our consitution. >>>> >>>>>>> Likewise, the basic structure of this group here is to >>>> >>>>>>> discuss issues related to accessibility. >>>> >>>>>>> Then, a bonafide plaint is: Each member shal follow these >>>> >>>>>>> guide lines if one is law abiding enough. >>>> >>>>>>> If you want to flout with existing laws than law would take >>>> >>>>>>> its >>> own >>>> >>>>>>> course!! >>>> >>>>>>> With regards, >>>> >>>>>>> Vip >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>>> >>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> >>>>>>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other >>>> >>>>>>> changes, please visit the list home page at >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org >>> .in >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>>> >>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> >>>>>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other >>> changes, >>>> >>>>>> please visit the list home page at >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org >>> .in >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>>> >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> >>>>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other >>> changes, >>>> >>>>> please visit the list home page at >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org >>> .in >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> >>>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other >>>> >>>> changes, please visit the list home page at >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> >>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other >>>> >>> changes, >>>> >>> please visit the list home page at >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> To unsubscribe send a message to >>>> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> >> with the subject unsubscribe. >>>> >> >>>> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other >>>> >> changes, >>>> >> please visit the list home page at >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > To unsubscribe send a message to >>>> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> > with the subject unsubscribe. >>>> > >>>> > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>>> > please visit the list home page at >>>> > >>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >>>> > Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>> > Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - 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