Re: [AI] Making education more inclusive for people with blindness: Learning from CFA Institute

2018-09-02 Thread Dinesh Kaushal
Thanks Turab,

Yes things are improving in India as well. But my main point in this article
is about focusing on technical subjects that require math equations. 

My argument is also not about west vs India, for example, the content that I
got as part of CFA text is also available in BookShare, but the books in
bookshare do not have math ML. Actually, bookshare books only have images in
place of equations. I have asked bookshare about it, they say that they will
do it, but the timing is not clear.

This is the saddest part when material is available in math ML in one place
but it is not available in another place which is supposed to have it. I am
quite happy with bookshare regarding availability of books for non-technical
subjects. As per last count bookshare now has 6.5 lakh books. 

It is high time that we make accessible material available for technical
subjects.

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From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
Of turab chimthanawala
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 9:45 PM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
the disabled. 
Subject: Re: [AI] Making education more inclusive for people with blindness:
Learning from CFA Institute

Hi Dinesh,
Heartiest congratulations on clearing CFA!
Your piece is well articulated. Agreed that India has a lot to learn from
the West in terms of imparting accessible education for the disabled.
But things are changing in some progressive institutes. I did my Masters in
law from NALSAR Hyderabad. Happy to share that at NALSAR most of the course
material is made available to the VI students in accessible soft copy by the
administration itself and that to without major requests or representations.
Also, could you share the overall experience with a scribe. Process for
appointment, eligibility, coordination during the exam etc.?
Best
Turab


On 9/2/18, George Abraham  wrote:
> Enjoyed reading your piece. Thanks for sharing.
>
> George
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
> Behalf Of Dinesh Kaushal
> Sent: Saturday, September 1, 2018 8:24 PM
> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
> concerning the disabled.'
> Subject: [AI] Making education more inclusive for people with blindness:
> Learning from CFA Institute
>
> Dear All,
>
>
>
> I have written an article about my experience with CFA institute's 
> practice regarding the accessibility of course curriculum. I hope our 
> institutes could learn a lot from CFA institute about how an 
> accessible course material empowers people experiencing disabilities.
>
>
>
> We could also learn a lot from CFA institute about conducting exams 
> for people experiencing disabilities. For example, CFA institute asked 
> one of my scribe to fly from Mumbai and made the scribes to stay in a 
> hotel to avoid any delay as exam starts at 6:30 AM. The exam is for 
> nearly 13 hours due to extra time. This is also something our 
> institutes could learn from international experience. All my 
> calculations suggest that CFA institute would have spent more than 
> what they would have charged me for the examination fee. Ajay Manocha 
> is also appearing for the same exam so he can attest what I am 
> suggesting. The following article is about the curriculum only.
>
>
>
>
> Making education more inclusive for people with blindness: Learning 
> from CFA Institute
>
>
>
>
> https://dineshkaushal.blogspot.com/2018/08/making-education-more-inclu
> sive-f
> or.html
>
>
>
> In August 2018, I got the news that I have passed Chartered Financial 
> Analyst (CFA) Level III exam. CFA is a very rigorous program 
> consisting of
> 3
> very intense exams. The content for these exams is heavily 
> quantitative. It could be even more tough for a person with blindness 
> as a blind person has to get the curriculum material converted in a 
> suitable format. But CFA institute made the content accessible by 
> making curriculum available online and equations in math ML format. 
> Yes, you guessed it right, I am a person with blindness myself.
>
>
>
> To understand what I just said, it is important to know some background.
> Technology has made a huge difference for people with blindness. There 
> is a special software that reads out information in computer or mobile
devices.
> This software is known as screen reader. You can see these screen 
> readers in mobile phones as Talkback in Android or Voiceover in 
> iPhone. This technology is somewhat similar to a navigation system 
> that informs the upcoming route.
>
>
>
> Before screen readers, blind persons had to depend on one to one help 
> such as a family member or  friend who would either read the books or 
> record them. Some organizations working for people with blindness 
> would record commonly used material. But such material would be only 
> available for subjects that are studied widely, that too with great 
> difficulty. Some 

Re: [AI] Let there be sight | health

2018-09-02 Thread turab chimthanawala
Hi Rahul,
Well we have been following the evolution of this course of treatment
since about six years now (since when it was in Phase III). My mom has
been in contact with the Trial administrator. My mom tried very hard
to get me in the Phase III trial. Despite registering well in advance
and even sending my gene sample to the University of Philadelphia, we
couldn't get through the red tape: they only preferred American
patients. We have even visited Dr. Bath liroea the other doctor(apart
from Dr. Albert and Dr. Jeane) involved in developing in the treatment
in 2015. As per the results of the trials he seemed very optimistic:
as they were patients who could zebra crossings at night.
Now, the treatment has been approved.
As per my opthamologist, Dr. LG at Sankara Naitralaya, only 24 people
worldwide have availed the treatment.
He was optimistic of the cost significantly going down as the numbers increase.
Best
Turab



On 9/3/18, Ved  wrote:
> The article is not authentic. Presently, no gene therapies have been
> recommended for the V I. of course, some trials have been taken place but
> they did not show expected results. I have good relations with a reputed
> eye
> specialist. I keep on sending links of such article to him. His response is
> not very enthusiastic. In his opinion, no treatment have since been
> recommended with regard to gene therapies in the field of vision related
> diseases.
>
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> Of Rahul Bajaj
> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2018 12:13 AM
> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> Subject: [AI] Let there be sight | health
>
> A fascinating piece. This concerns my eye condition, but I do not have this
> genetic mutation.
> Given the cost of Rs. 5.38 crore, this may just be of academic interest for
> most of us at this juncture. I am wondering, however, if people would opt
> for this 'cure', in the event that it applied to their condition.
> https://www.theweek.in/health/more/2018/08/31/let-there-be-sight.html
>
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Re: [AI] Making education more inclusive for people with blindness: Learning from CFA Institute

2018-09-02 Thread Dinesh Kaushal
Thanks Pranav,

I haven't explored SVG much. Is it possible to understand SVG diagrams in
economics? Is there any audio / video that I can watch to know how SVG is
understandable?

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Subject: Re: [AI] Making education more inclusive for people with blindness:
Learning from CFA Institute

Dinesh,

1. Congratulations on clearing these exams.
2. The link in your post has wrapped.
3. I hope the CFA institute takes the next step and converts their diagrams
to tagged SVG.

Pranav





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Re: [AI] Let there be sight | health

2018-09-02 Thread Ved
The article is not authentic. Presently, no gene therapies have been
recommended for the V I. of course, some trials have been taken place but
they did not show expected results. I have good relations with a reputed eye
specialist. I keep on sending links of such article to him. His response is
not very enthusiastic. In his opinion, no treatment have since been
recommended with regard to gene therapies in the field of vision related
diseases.

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Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2018 12:13 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] Let there be sight | health

A fascinating piece. This concerns my eye condition, but I do not have this
genetic mutation.
Given the cost of Rs. 5.38 crore, this may just be of academic interest for
most of us at this juncture. I am wondering, however, if people would opt
for this 'cure', in the event that it applied to their condition.
https://www.theweek.in/health/more/2018/08/31/let-there-be-sight.html


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Re: [AI] Let there be sight | health

2018-09-02 Thread Vamshi. G
Great news  let innovative treatments work.   Cost will come down over time.  

Regards
Vamshi

> On 03-Sep-2018, at 12:12 AM, Rahul Bajaj  wrote:
> 
> A fascinating piece. This concerns my eye condition, but I do not have this 
> genetic mutation.
> Given the cost of Rs. 5.38 crore, this may just be of academic interest for 
> most of us at this juncture. I am wondering, however, if people would opt for 
> this 'cure', in the event that it applied to their condition.
> https://www.theweek.in/health/more/2018/08/31/let-there-be-sight.html
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
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[AI] Let there be sight | health

2018-09-02 Thread Rahul Bajaj
A fascinating piece. This concerns my eye condition, but I do not have this 
genetic mutation.
Given the cost of Rs. 5.38 crore, this may just be of academic interest for 
most of us at this juncture. I am wondering, however, if people would opt for 
this 'cure', in the event that it applied to their condition.
https://www.theweek.in/health/more/2018/08/31/let-there-be-sight.html


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Re: [AI] Making education more inclusive for people with blindness: Learning from CFA Institute

2018-09-02 Thread turab chimthanawala
Hi Dinesh,
Heartiest congratulations on clearing CFA!
Your piece is well articulated. Agreed that India has a lot to learn
from the West in terms of imparting accessible education for the
disabled.
But things are changing in some progressive institutes. I did my
Masters in law from NALSAR Hyderabad. Happy to share that at NALSAR
most of the course material is made available to the VI students in
accessible soft copy by the administration itself and that to without
major requests or representations.
Also, could you share the overall experience with a scribe. Process
for appointment, eligibility, coordination during the exam etc.?
Best
Turab


On 9/2/18, George Abraham  wrote:
> Enjoyed reading your piece. Thanks for sharing.
>
> George
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
> Of Dinesh Kaushal
> Sent: Saturday, September 1, 2018 8:24 PM
> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the disabled.'
> Subject: [AI] Making education more inclusive for people with blindness:
> Learning from CFA Institute
>
> Dear All,
>
>
>
> I have written an article about my experience with CFA institute's practice
> regarding the accessibility of course curriculum. I hope our institutes
> could learn a lot from CFA institute about how an accessible course
> material
> empowers people experiencing disabilities.
>
>
>
> We could also learn a lot from CFA institute about conducting exams for
> people experiencing disabilities. For example, CFA institute asked one of
> my
> scribe to fly from Mumbai and made the scribes to stay in a hotel to avoid
> any delay as exam starts at 6:30 AM. The exam is for nearly 13 hours due to
> extra time. This is also something our institutes could learn from
> international experience. All my calculations suggest that CFA institute
> would have spent more than what they would have charged me for the
> examination fee. Ajay Manocha is also appearing for the same exam so he can
> attest what I am suggesting. The following article is about the curriculum
> only.
>
>
>
>
> Making education more inclusive for people with blindness: Learning from
> CFA
> Institute
>
>
>
>
> https://dineshkaushal.blogspot.com/2018/08/making-education-more-inclusive-f
> or.html
>
>
>
> In August 2018, I got the news that I have passed Chartered Financial
> Analyst (CFA) Level III exam. CFA is a very rigorous program consisting of
> 3
> very intense exams. The content for these exams is heavily quantitative. It
> could be even more tough for a person with blindness as a blind person has
> to get the curriculum material converted in a suitable format. But CFA
> institute made the content accessible by making curriculum available online
> and equations in math ML format. Yes, you guessed it right, I am a person
> with blindness myself.
>
>
>
> To understand what I just said, it is important to know some background.
> Technology has made a huge difference for people with blindness. There is a
> special software that reads out information in computer or mobile devices.
> This software is known as screen reader. You can see these screen readers
> in
> mobile phones as Talkback in Android or Voiceover in iPhone. This
> technology
> is somewhat similar to a navigation system that informs the upcoming route.
>
>
>
> Before screen readers, blind persons had to depend on one to one help such
> as a family member or  friend who would either read the books or record
> them. Some organizations working for people with blindness would record
> commonly used material. But such material would be only available for
> subjects that are studied widely, that too with great difficulty. Some
> organizations would also convert books in Braille, but since this is a
> laborious process, only limited books have been available and they are
> bulky.
>
>
>
> Due to modern technology, blind persons can read electronic content, but
> not
> any content. A content has to be made available in a proper format. This
> format is known as e-Pub which is becoming more and more popular among
> publishers. But just making books available in e-pub may not solve the
> problem. For example, Some publishers might put images in the e-pub, but
> images are not readable through screen readers. In order to make it
> accessible, the material needs to be in plain text or HTML. For technical
> subjects that have equations such as mathematics and other math based
> subjects (Science, Technology, Engineering, or finance), a standard known
> as
> math ML should be used to specify equations. Math ML can be embedded in
> e-pub books.
>
>
>
> The traditional methods such as recording or Braille books were not
> scalable, so very few people could benefit from them. The few lucky once
> were those who had support of a family or an organization. But if we make
> mainstream course material more accessible just as CFA institute did, we
> would be able to make many people with 

[AI] regarding tennis for the blind

2018-09-02 Thread Avichal Bhatnagar
Dear list members,
I want to know that has tennis for the blind started in Delhi?
In February this year, I heard about a training camp being organized
for the same.
If anyone has any info on this, please share.
Thanks,
Avichal
-- 
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[AI] YouTube link of RADIOUDAAN EK MULAKAT WITH INSPIRING GIRL MS TIFFANY BRAR

2018-09-02 Thread Radio Udaan
YouTube link of RADIOUDAAN EK MULAKAT WITH INSPIRING GIRL MS TIFFANY BRAR

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Re: [AI] Making education more inclusive for people with blindness: Learning from CFA Institute

2018-09-02 Thread George Abraham
Enjoyed reading your piece. Thanks for sharing.

George

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
Of Dinesh Kaushal
Sent: Saturday, September 1, 2018 8:24 PM
To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
the disabled.'
Subject: [AI] Making education more inclusive for people with blindness:
Learning from CFA Institute

Dear All,

 

I have written an article about my experience with CFA institute's practice
regarding the accessibility of course curriculum. I hope our institutes
could learn a lot from CFA institute about how an accessible course material
empowers people experiencing disabilities.

 

We could also learn a lot from CFA institute about conducting exams for
people experiencing disabilities. For example, CFA institute asked one of my
scribe to fly from Mumbai and made the scribes to stay in a hotel to avoid
any delay as exam starts at 6:30 AM. The exam is for nearly 13 hours due to
extra time. This is also something our institutes could learn from
international experience. All my calculations suggest that CFA institute
would have spent more than what they would have charged me for the
examination fee. Ajay Manocha is also appearing for the same exam so he can
attest what I am suggesting. The following article is about the curriculum
only.

 


Making education more inclusive for people with blindness: Learning from CFA
Institute


 

https://dineshkaushal.blogspot.com/2018/08/making-education-more-inclusive-f
or.html

 

In August 2018, I got the news that I have passed Chartered Financial
Analyst (CFA) Level III exam. CFA is a very rigorous program consisting of 3
very intense exams. The content for these exams is heavily quantitative. It
could be even more tough for a person with blindness as a blind person has
to get the curriculum material converted in a suitable format. But CFA
institute made the content accessible by making curriculum available online
and equations in math ML format. Yes, you guessed it right, I am a person
with blindness myself.

 

To understand what I just said, it is important to know some background.
Technology has made a huge difference for people with blindness. There is a
special software that reads out information in computer or mobile devices.
This software is known as screen reader. You can see these screen readers in
mobile phones as Talkback in Android or Voiceover in iPhone. This technology
is somewhat similar to a navigation system that informs the upcoming route.

 

Before screen readers, blind persons had to depend on one to one help such
as a family member or  friend who would either read the books or record
them. Some organizations working for people with blindness would record
commonly used material. But such material would be only available for
subjects that are studied widely, that too with great difficulty. Some
organizations would also convert books in Braille, but since this is a
laborious process, only limited books have been available and they are
bulky.

 

Due to modern technology, blind persons can read electronic content, but not
any content. A content has to be made available in a proper format. This
format is known as e-Pub which is becoming more and more popular among
publishers. But just making books available in e-pub may not solve the
problem. For example, Some publishers might put images in the e-pub, but
images are not readable through screen readers. In order to make it
accessible, the material needs to be in plain text or HTML. For technical
subjects that have equations such as mathematics and other math based
subjects (Science, Technology, Engineering, or finance), a standard known as
math ML should be used to specify equations. Math ML can be embedded in
e-pub books.

 

The traditional methods such as recording or Braille books were not
scalable, so very few people could benefit from them. The few lucky once
were those who had support of a family or an organization. But if we make
mainstream course material more accessible just as CFA institute did, we
would be able to make many people with blindness independent. This does not
mean that such material would only be available for someone with a screen
reader only. The same accessible content would be readable through Braille
using a special device known as Braille display which converts print to
Braille instantly without requiring huge infrastructure. People can also use
Braille printer to create Braille books from e-pub books.

 

With earlier methods, I often struggled to get material. Whereas with CFA
material I didn't need any help as content was properly formatted in text,
and  All the equations were also formatted in math ML. The only help I
needed was for understanding diagrams. It was easy to find a solution Even
for this, I could print them and request anyone without any financial
knowledge to trace the diagram with simple board and pen. This would raise
the diagram in reverse 

[AI] I ever dye but I can dye nRe: is it possible for a completely blind?

2018-09-02 Thread ts bansal
my name is Tarunbansal I never dye but I am sure I can dyemy here  I
am by berth blind

On 9/1/18, Sudamani M  wrote:
> Hi
>
> Nowadays many shampoo based hair colour are available which can be used
> just like a shampoo.
>
> Am attaching a link from Amazon. There are many such shampoo based hair
> dye. You can check it out
>
> https://www.amazon.in/dp/B01HRK82GE/ref=cm_sw_r_wa_apa_i_l.RIBbS8CXNDB
> Hope it helps.
>
> Sudamani
>
> On Sat, Sep 1, 2018, 1:58 PM sazid shaik  wrote:
>
>> you are correct Rahul.  my intention is to find the ways to dye my
>> hair, which is becoming grey now adays.  thanks for understanding.
>>
>> thanks and regards,
>> sazid
>>
>> On 8/31/18, Rahul Bajaj  wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > With great respect, I think the original poster's question was not if
>> going
>> > to a barber constitutes dependence, but instead if there are ways in
>> which
>> > he can dye his hair independently. I feel that, sometimes, instead of
>> > answering the question here, we are quick to point out the fallacies in
>> the
>> > questioner's premises  (I have been a victim of this multiple times).
>> > So
>> > instead of getting concrete answers, the questioner is compelled to
>> justify
>> > the correctness of the question.
>> >
>> > Everyone's view of independence can be different; the same visit to the
>> > barber for a shave or dying hair which may appear to one person as
>> nothing
>> > more than commercial intercourse may be viewed by another person as a
>> waste
>> > of their time, an unnecessary expenditure and an intrusion in their
>> > schedule.
>> >
>> > Best,
>> > Rahul
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> >> On Aug 31, 2018, at 2:23 AM, Geetha Shamanna 
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi Sazid,
>> >>
>> >> Getting the barber to dye your hair cannot be called dependence. If
>> >> you
>> >> go
>> >> to a restaurant to have a meal, you would not say you are depending on
>> >> the
>> >> chef. It is a service they provide, for which they charge you.
>> >> Visually impaired or not, there is a great deal of interdependence in
>> >> this
>> >> world. And dying your hair is certainly one of those tasks for which
>> >> depending on someone might be a better option.
>> >>
>> >> Geetha
>> >> -Original Message-
>> >> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>> >> Behalf
>> >> Of sazid shaik
>> >> Sent: 30 August 2018 12:49
>> >> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>> >> concerning
>> >> the disabled.
>> >> Subject: [AI] is it possible for a completely blind?
>> >>
>> >> Dear list members,
>> >> I am a completely person who lost vision since 2013.  Might be my
>> >> question sounds silly but on this platform I can get good answer.  How
>> >> can VI person dye his hair individually.  Is it possible?  If so how
>> >> can I do this?  I do not want to depent on others as well as barber.
>> >>
>> >> thanks and regards,
>> >> sazid
>> >>
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