[AI] Fwd: Me, We And The Machine

[Kanchan]

Kanchan pamnani
Advocate and Solicitor 

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Point of View 
> Date: 26 September 2018 at 07:59:46 IST
> To: 
> Subject: Me, We And The Machine
> Reply-To: Point of View 
> 
> 
> 
> Me, We And The Machine 
> The Institute of Technology, Gender, Sexuality and Rights
> Amsterdam, The Netherlands
> 9-15 December 2018
> 
> “Till I was 17, I did not have a word for who I was, or could be. I did not 
> know I was a transgender girl. But as a 16-year-old, I discovered the 
> internet.” 
> - Nadika, The Smartphone Freed Me
>  
> Millions of individuals and communities around the world today use technology 
> to explore, express, navigate and advocate for their gender, sexuality and 
> rights. Phones, simple or smart. Desktops. Smart watches. Tablets.
>  
> In the digital age, our lives are no longer ‘physical only’. The way we live 
> now is defined, to some extent or another, by technology. The tapestry of our 
> lives has shifted from the physical world only to the physical + digital, 
> spaces that weave in and out of each other like tangled balls of wool.
>  
> As our lives seamlessly yin and yang in and out of the physical and the 
> digital, so does our gender. Our sexuality. Our rights.
>  
> In many cities and regions, queer communities first form online… then move 
> offline, when it’s safe enough to do so. Think #queerlivesmatter
>  
> Global protests and activism around gender-based harassment and violence 
> erupt or are amplified in digital spaces. Think #metoo
>  
> And many aspects of digital technology are giving rise to new rights claims 
> and demands, including the right to be forgotten. Think #digitalrights
>  
> It’s time for social movements to think more deeply about how technology 
> intersects with sexuality, gender and rights. How can we shape the future 
> instead of being shaped by it? That’s what Me, We And The Machine is all 
> about.
> What 
> Me, We And The Machine is a seven-day residential institute that dives deep 
> into two big questions:
> How does technology shape and influence sexuality, gender and rights?
> How do sexuality, gender and rights inform and shape technology?
>  
> Following the style and methodology of CREA’s flagship institute on 
> Sexuality, Gender and Rights, this institute explores the intersection of 
> theory and practice in the context of social movements. The institute will 
> explore the following core concepts, linking them to advocacy, including 
> rights-based claims and strategies that advance the goals of movements 
> working on gender and sexuality:
>  
> Technology as site and space (public, private, hybrid)
> Sexual expression as a key aspect of free expression
> Body becoming data, data becoming body
> Consent and privacy in the digital age
> Tools of control, from censorship to surveillance
> Online and offline harassment
> Artificial intelligence, rights and social justice
> Movements, activism and technology
>  
> When
> Me, We And The Machine is designed as a seven-day Institute of theory and 
> practice, that will take place from 9-15 December, excluding travel.
>  
> Where
> Me, We And The Machine will be held in Amsterdam, The Netherlands, during 
> 9-15 December 2018. The venue is wheelchair accessible.
>  
> How
> Think. Relate. Play. Talk. See. Read. Shift. Me, We And The Machine is 
> designed as a series of seven tracks - all of which explore these 
> intersections through different pedagogies.
>  
> Who
> The Institute Me, We And The Machine is hosted by CREA and Point of View.
>  
> CREA is a global feminist human rights organisation based in New Delhi, 
> India. CREA works at the grassroots, national, regional and global levels to 
> build feminist leadership, advance women’s human rights, and expand sexual 
> and reproductive freedoms for all people.
>  
> Point of View is a feminist non-profit based in Mumbai, India. We build and 
> amplify the voices of women and other marginalized genders and remove 
> barriers to voice, speech and expression. Gender and sexuality are at the 
> heart of our work, as are disability and technology.
>  
> Participants
> Only 30 participants will be selected for the institute, based on their 
> application forms and their ability to demonstrate how they would apply the 
> lessons of the Institute. Individuals working on issues of sexuality, Gender 
> Based Violence, LGBTI rights, sexual and reproductive health and rights, 
> disability rights, and on the intersection of gender, technology and rights 
> are eligible to apply. Participants are required to stay for the entire 
> duration of the course.
>  
> Travel and Visa
> Participants are responsible for incurring their travel costs to and from the 
> Institute and obtaining their own visa. Please allot enough time to the visa 
> application, as the process and timeline may take upto 30/40 days in some 
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Re: [AI] draft National Education Policy

[Ajay Minocha]

Hi Ma'am,

I completely understand, the email was meant for our BGFI team only.
Forgot to remove AccessIndia's address somehow.

Regards,
Ajay

On 25/09/2018, Kanchan Pamnani  wrote:
> Ajay
> I very specifically asked anyone interested to write to me at my mail
> address given in the email.
> Please do the needful. Its technically very difficult for me to send it to
> you on accessindia.
> Kanchan
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
> Of Ajay Minocha
> Sent: 24 September 2018 23:19
> To: bgf...@googlegroups.org"AccessIndia: a list for discussing
> accessibility
> and issues concerning the disabled."
> Subject: Re: [AI] draft National Education Policy
>
> All,
>
> Let's have a go at it?
>
> On 24/09/2018, Kanchan Pamnani  wrote:
>> Is anyone interested in reviewing the Policy. The Minister wants to
>> release it on 21st October. I only have a pdf file.
>>
>> So if interested please email me at kanchanpamn...@gmail.com
>>   and I can email it to you.
>>
>> You will have to work on it quickly and send in your comments to ncpedp.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Kanchan
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[AI] looking for employment opportunity as accessibility tester

[santosh kamble]

Hello everybody,
I am Santosh Kamble I am looking for employment opportunity I worked
as accessibility tester for period of nine month, as well as I have
completed following  courses  on  website: dequeuniversity
  Accessibility Fundamentals: Disabilities, Guidelines, and Laws,
Accessibility Fundamentals, Bonus Content: Designing an Accessible
User Experience, Web Accessibility, Part 1: Semantic Structure and
Navigation, Web Accessibility, Part 2: Images, SVG, and Canvas, Web
Accessibility, Part 3: Visual Design and Colors, Web Accessibility,
Part 4: Responsive Design and Zoom, Web Accessibility, Part 6:
Device-Independent User Input Methods, Web Accessibility, Part 7: Form
Labels, Instructions, and Validation, Web Accessibility, Part 8:
Dynamic Updates, AJAX, and Single-Page Apps, Web Accessibility, Part
9: Custom JavaScript/ARIA Widgets, Web Accessibility Testing, Part 1:
Screen Readers Web Accessibility Testing Part 2: Methods, and Tools,
PDF Accessibility MS Word Accessibility
%
MS PowerPoint Accessibility
Kindly inform me  if their are openings for the position  of
accessibility tester.
Regards,
Santosh




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[AI] Extremely in need of information

[Shyam M. Sayanekar]

Dear learned members, I am extremely in need of some information on Dr. 
ManMohan Singh's economic policy and reforms. Particularly his policy of 
Liberalization, Privatization and Gloabalization. This information should be 
purely academic, critical but free from prejudice. If you have any articals on 
the offorsad subject, kindly share them with me. I will be very much grateful 
to you for such information. Thanking you, yours, Professor Shyam M. Sayanekar



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[AI] DENIAL OF SERVICE : Web Accessibility Report FORM bit.ly/want2report

[jayakumar . vaishnavi]

I've invited you to fill in the following form:
DENIAL OF SERVICE : Web Accessibility Report bit.ly/want2report

To fill it in, visit:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeUKwSDXo9cmOIQ5fyCd1HJBZiCfDYUsPQHnxxKBhdZeZv7CA/viewform?c=0w=1usp=mail_form_link

Henceforth we can use this form to flag any digital accessibility issues  
using websites which will hopefully yield faster resolution and more  
focussed advocacy. The forms contents are previewed below. The form  
can be filled by clicking the link here or by remembering the short URL  
bit.ly/want2report (Screenreader users, thats the numeral 2, no spaces  
all lower case).


Could we start with IRCTC since there have been many complaints regarding  
that? High priority in case CRIS can be gatecrashed in October 1st week.


In case there are any glitches, do email  
disabilityrightsalliance...@gmail.com with subject WAR Effort


:-)

Regards,

Vaishnavi

Google Forms: Create and analyse surveys.



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[AI] (AI) Needed information

[GOLI VIJAY RAJ]

in Windows we have a default software to magnify the screen known as
magnifier then what is the similar software for Linux OS?



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Re: [AI] IRCTC became inaccessible

[Yogesh Chhabra]

on twitter I have already started it and have pasted a link of that
tweet on the very first mail of this conversation and I urge all to
post your replies on it to make pressure.

On 9/25/18, Giri Prasad  wrote:
> hi all,
> someone take the initiative and start the campaign on twitter and face
> book. We all will support it.
>
> On 25/09/2018, sazid shaik  wrote:
>> No, I did not got any draft from him.
>>
>> thanks and regards,
>> sazid
>>
>> On 9/24/18, Amar Jain  wrote:
>>> Wasn’t Turab helping with this? Call me on 9892622230 if nobody helps.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Amar Jain
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
 On 24-Sep-2018, at 7:23 AM, sazid shaik 
 wrote:

 Dear friends,
 As yesterday I asked the list members who can draft a letter the
 issues facing by our blind persons do not know wether that mail hits
 this list or not for the same once again i am writing this mail.
 please respond as early as possible.  As our GM is coming on 1st
 october.

 thanks and regards,
 sazid

> On 9/13/18, Yogesh Chhabra  wrote:
> Dear friends as IRCTC became inaccessible so I have posted a tweet to
> Piyush Goyal and Railway ministry and other concerned Ministry the
> ministry
> of Electronics and information technology and its Minister Ravi Shankar
> Prasad. here I would like to see your replies on that we eat so that
> more
> and more efforts can be made on this issue. Below I am posting a link
> of
> my
> tweet
>
> Check out @yogesh4040’s Tweet:
> https://twitter.com/yogesh4040/status/1040280727768641537?s=09
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Re: [AI] tutorials for adobi audation

[Giri Prasad]

Any tutorials on audacity?

On 24/09/2018, meennal singhvi  wrote:
> hello shiva u can listen and try to record
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MftRE6ZPtvQ=149s=desktop
>
>
> On 9/24/18, Siva Suresh  wrote:
>> Hi friends.
>>
>> I am interested to learn a new software called adobi audition which we
>> can do sound editing and much more like recording and multi track
>> editing etc. friends kindly if some one has some tutorials either in
>> word format or in MP3 format please share with me and extend your
>> valuable support. thanking you all in advance.
>>
>> Shivasuresh
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>> reach me through the following means
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Re: [AI] IRCTC became inaccessible

[Giri Prasad]

hi all,
someone take the initiative and start the campaign on twitter and face
book. We all will support it.

On 25/09/2018, sazid shaik  wrote:
> No, I did not got any draft from him.
>
> thanks and regards,
> sazid
>
> On 9/24/18, Amar Jain  wrote:
>> Wasn’t Turab helping with this? Call me on 9892622230 if nobody helps.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Amar Jain
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On 24-Sep-2018, at 7:23 AM, sazid shaik 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear friends,
>>> As yesterday I asked the list members who can draft a letter the
>>> issues facing by our blind persons do not know wether that mail hits
>>> this list or not for the same once again i am writing this mail.
>>> please respond as early as possible.  As our GM is coming on 1st
>>> october.
>>>
>>> thanks and regards,
>>> sazid
>>>
 On 9/13/18, Yogesh Chhabra  wrote:
 Dear friends as IRCTC became inaccessible so I have posted a tweet to
 Piyush Goyal and Railway ministry and other concerned Ministry the
 ministry
 of Electronics and information technology and its Minister Ravi Shankar
 Prasad. here I would like to see your replies on that we eat so that
 more
 and more efforts can be made on this issue. Below I am posting a link of
 my
 tweet

 Check out @yogesh4040’s Tweet:
 https://twitter.com/yogesh4040/status/1040280727768641537?s=09



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Re: [AI] IRCTC became inaccessible

[sazid shaik]

No, I did not got any draft from him.

thanks and regards,
sazid

On 9/24/18, Amar Jain  wrote:
> Wasn’t Turab helping with this? Call me on 9892622230 if nobody helps.
>
> Regards,
> Amar Jain
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 24-Sep-2018, at 7:23 AM, sazid shaik  wrote:
>>
>> Dear friends,
>> As yesterday I asked the list members who can draft a letter the
>> issues facing by our blind persons do not know wether that mail hits
>> this list or not for the same once again i am writing this mail.
>> please respond as early as possible.  As our GM is coming on 1st
>> october.
>>
>> thanks and regards,
>> sazid
>>
>>> On 9/13/18, Yogesh Chhabra  wrote:
>>> Dear friends as IRCTC became inaccessible so I have posted a tweet to
>>> Piyush Goyal and Railway ministry and other concerned Ministry the
>>> ministry
>>> of Electronics and information technology and its Minister Ravi Shankar
>>> Prasad. here I would like to see your replies on that we eat so that more
>>> and more efforts can be made on this issue. Below I am posting a link of
>>> my
>>> tweet
>>>
>>> Check out @yogesh4040’s Tweet:
>>> https://twitter.com/yogesh4040/status/1040280727768641537?s=09
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AI] IRCTC became inaccessible

[Kanchan Pamnani]

Yes Bhiwani 
The Supreme court website is not very accessible but Bombay High Court is 
worse. It is so sad because it was accessible when it started. The amazing 
thing is that I can read the judgments on voice dream reader on my phone but 
not on the computer with NVDA. 
Amar and I met the Judge in charge and he complained that he was working at it 
but needed time. I think we have given him a year and now need to revisit him. 
The NIC guys just don’t understand luckily the Judge does.  
PIL -I am not suggesting that you file a PIL immediately but follow a process 
of 
a. Complaining/sending Notices. 
b. Social media  
c. making a noise at all levels from PMO, Nitiayog, railway ministry and NIC. 
d. Sending a notice to NIC that there people are incompetent to make and 
maintain government websites 
Someone has to lead this campaign. 
I am currently working on Union Bank of India and need to take that forward 
quickly so that no other Bank makes the same mistake. 
Kanchan 

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
bhawani shankar verma
Sent: 25 September 2018 14:46
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] IRCTC became inaccessible

mam! supreme court's website is itself inaccessible. what about the prayers in 
the said case. I mean what the petitioner have pleaded before the hon'ble 
court? As the hearing on accessibility matter is already in the process, will 
supreme court admit fresh petition on the matter?

-Original Message-
From: Kanchan Pamnani
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 1:51 PM
To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled.'
Subject: Re: [AI] IRCTC became inaccessible

Agree with everyone. Just bringing a couple of points to the table.
1. Websites must become accessible by June 2019 as per the RPWD act. In the 
interim we need not suffer-lets start sending notices, escalating matters and 
use social media.
2. There is a matter pending in the Supreme Court regarding accessibility-Rajiv 
Raturi v. Union of India. Just recently Rahul Bajaj has intervened regarding 
the accessibility of Courts. Anyone else interested may intervene regarding 
railways and websites.
Kanchan

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
George Abraham
Sent: 25 September 2018 07:47
To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled.'
Subject: Re: [AI] IRCTC became inaccessible

Absolutely! There is no reason why we should have to compromise on this front. 
Access should not and must not be denied.! We are actually fighting against a 
wide spread ignorance, a lack of understanding, an attitude and a lack of 
competence. A lot of people in the mainstream do not know or never heard of 
access. Many believe that partial access is ok. A lot of IT professionals have 
not even heard of the W3CAG norms. IT schools have to make accessibility 
mandatory part of their course. The orders have to come from the top, maybe 
even right on top from the PM himself. Small side fixes and tweaks will not 
sort matters out. Accessibility is not an individual issue, it is a community 
issue, it needs to be viewed as a National challenge.

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
bhawani shankar verma
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 6:49 AM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] IRCTC became inaccessible

Why only IRCTC? Why not we file petition in supreme court to make all internal, 
external websites and applications accessible  including government, public 
sector and private sector and demand for a nodal officer to complaint regarding 
accessiblility?


-Original Message-
From: Giri Prasad
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 6:33 AM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] IRCTC became inaccessible

Hi,
let us pressurize the officials to make IRCTC accessible across all the screen 
readers and browsers.
Since there are 2000 to 3000 members on access India mailing group, it would be 
better if we can post it on the social media like facebook and twitter and 
pressurise the officials.


On 24/09/2018, Dr. Aruni Sharma  wrote:
> Hi, There is nothing personal about my mail. Whatever issues have been 
> raised are causing concern to all of us. For me, it is all about 
> getting things done so long as the issues are not fixed by the 
> authorities. As far as question of installing multiple browsers and 
> screen readers is concerned, I use all most all  browsers and screen 
> readers as everyone of them has its own merits. Things have become 
> slightly tough in windows10 as Edge doesn’t have good support for JAWS 
> at the moment.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
> 

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[iravanan .p]

Dear Experts ,
At present my OS (win 7) got corrupted
Hence All my files, documents, photos, databases and other important
files had been encrypted and have the extension: .KRAB
 Even though I had decided to upgrade the OS,I doesn’t know the
method of retrieving the encrypted files
Experts kindly assist and guide me  to retrieve the encrypted files

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Re: [AI] IRCTC became inaccessible

[Kanchan Pamnani]

Dhananjay and Bhiwani 
Please start drafting the Petition-atleast
 a. what is the law
b. What is wrong
c. The list of complaints/notices that you have given the provider with 
attachments and their responses. Ask others who have been discussing on this 
group whether they have sent any complaints/notices and get these too.

When will you have the above 3 ready? Put a time limit of your choice. 
Lets talk when you are half way through the above exercise. 
Kanchan  
 

 

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
Dhananjay Bhole
Sent: 25 September 2018 16:33
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] IRCTC became inaccessible

Dear all,

We must not tolerate inaccessibility any more. All users are not advanced users 
of assistive technologies and web. We must demand accessibility compliance in 
all the services. It is our basic human right. We must start filing PIL against 
such organizations. Otherwise things will not change much. Services in US and 
other developed countries have accessible services because several PILs are 
being filed there. We should start agitating against these organizations to 
change the senario. It is fassion of all the government organization to falsely 
clame that their portal is accessibility compliant. They only know the full 
form of Guidelines. Venders of government organizations are also cheeting to 
government. Evangelist should intervene and correct them. Otherwise 
Accessibility compliance will only be on paper and government will give us 
statistic's that they have made 1000 important websites accessible and spend 
millions of rupies.

Please demand complete accessibility compliance not any capcha like things. I 
will provide proof of non compliance if required for complain.

Regards





On 9/24/18, Dr. Aruni Sharma  wrote:
> Hello, While there is certain need to bring pressure upon IRCTC, 
> Please note the following: As has been mentioned previously in this list, it 
> is possible
> to book ticket using firefox in combination with NVDA.
>
> The user ID and password field is not accessible with jaws?
> comment: The problem is with Microsoft edge browser. The only one 
> working for us well and that too with NVDA is firefox.
>
> somehow you can manage to login. after login selection of station, 
> quota, etc are not accessible. before login the selection of above are 
> not accessible.
>
> Comment: These things can be managed well with NVDA object navigation.
>
>  Regular and advance user can manage it with trial and error. There is 
> some overlaying graphics on their page which hide the login field. 
> After long cummunication However, they have now fixed  the error of OTP.
>
> Comment: Apart from OTP I think there is also option for audio capcha, 
> although I could find it once or twice only while using google chrome 
> with chromevox. It is also possible to use irctc in a more accessible 
> way with google chrome in combination with chromevox
>
> Also now you can book concession ticket through IRCTC with escort if 
> the escort is a senior citizen. previously it was not possible.
>
> Comment: I have not noticed any such limitation. Concessional tickets 
> can be booked for blind and escort passengers using irctc.
>
> secondly, their enquiry website, www.indianrail.gov.in has now become 
> inaccessible. they have put graphical captcha on each enquiry.
>
> Comment: This problem was earlier there also but for PNR inquiry only. 
> This has now further aggravated.
> I am planning to prepare two audio walk-throughs one for booking 
> tickets using IRCTC site with NVDA and Firefox. And another one for 
> accomplishing same task with google chrome and chromevox. The IRCTC 
> rail connect app on android is also quite accessible. If there is 
> solution provided for capcha, booking rail ticket would become fully 
> accessible for a visually impaired person.
> Thanks
> Aruni.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: George Abraham
> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 11:06 AM
> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
> concerning the disabled.'
> Subject: Re: [AI] IRCTC became inaccessible
>
> Please clarify! As the letter from the IRCTC claims that all is well 
> now. Is the website accessible at present?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
> Behalf Of bhawani shankar verma
> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 10:10 AM
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
> concerning the disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] IRCTC became inaccessible
>
> dear sazid,
>
> following is my letter to IRCTC and reply from IRCTC. I don't think 
> that apart from this correspondence, there is no track two negotiation 
> is being held with IRCTC or indian railway. however, being a railway 
> employee you may persue the matter with CRIS. the text 

Re: [AI] IRCTC became inaccessible

[Dhananjay Bhole]

Dear all,

We must not tolerate inaccessibility any more. All users are not
advanced users of assistive technologies and web. We must demand
accessibility compliance in all the services. It is our basic human
right. We must start filing PIL against such organizations. Otherwise
things will not change much. Services in US and other developed
countries have accessible services because several PILs are being
filed there. We should start agitating against these organizations to
change the senario. It is fassion of all the government organization
to falsely clame that their portal is accessibility compliant. They
only know the full form of Guidelines. Venders of government
organizations are also cheeting to government. Evangelist should
intervene and correct them. Otherwise Accessibility compliance will
only be on paper and government will give us statistic's that they
have made 1000 important websites accessible and spend millions of
rupies.

Please demand complete accessibility compliance not any capcha like
things. I will provide proof of non compliance if required for
complain.

Regards





On 9/24/18, Dr. Aruni Sharma  wrote:
> Hello, While there is certain need to bring pressure upon IRCTC, Please note
> the following: As has been mentioned previously in this list, it is possible
> to book ticket using firefox in combination with NVDA.
>
> The user ID and password field is not accessible with jaws?
> comment: The problem is with Microsoft edge browser. The only one working
> for us well and that too with NVDA is firefox.
>
> somehow you can manage to login. after login selection of station, quota,
> etc are
> not accessible. before login the selection of above are not accessible.
>
> Comment: These things can be managed well with NVDA object navigation.
>
>  Regular and advance user can manage it with trial and error. There is some
> overlaying graphics on their page which hide the login field. After long
> cummunication However, they have now fixed  the error of OTP.
>
> Comment: Apart from OTP I think there is also option for audio capcha,
> although I could find it once or twice only while using google chrome with
> chromevox. It is also possible to use irctc in a more accessible way with
> google chrome in combination with chromevox
>
> Also now you can book concession ticket through IRCTC with escort if the
> escort is a
> senior citizen. previously it was not possible.
>
> Comment: I have not noticed any such limitation. Concessional tickets can be
> booked for blind and escort passengers using irctc.
>
> secondly, their enquiry website, www.indianrail.gov.in has now become
> inaccessible. they have put graphical captcha on each enquiry.
>
> Comment: This problem was earlier there also but for PNR inquiry only. This
> has now further aggravated.
> I am planning to prepare two audio walk-throughs one for booking tickets
> using IRCTC site with NVDA and Firefox. And another one for accomplishing
> same task with google chrome and chromevox. The IRCTC rail connect app on
> android is also quite accessible. If there is solution provided for capcha,
> booking rail ticket would become fully accessible for a visually impaired
> person.
> Thanks
> Aruni.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: George Abraham
> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 11:06 AM
> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the disabled.'
> Subject: Re: [AI] IRCTC became inaccessible
>
> Please clarify! As the letter from the IRCTC claims that all is well now. Is
> the website accessible at present?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
> Of bhawani shankar verma
> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 10:10 AM
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] IRCTC became inaccessible
>
> dear sazid,
>
> following is my letter to IRCTC and reply from IRCTC. I don't think that
> apart from this correspondence, there is no track two negotiation is being
> held with IRCTC or indian railway. however, being a railway employee you may
> persue the matter with CRIS. the text follows:
>
> To,
> The Director
> Indian Railway Catering and Tourism Corporation Ltd., B 148, 11th Floor,
> Statesman House, Barakhamba Road New Delhi-110001
>
> Subject: Denial of Internet ticketing facility to blind persons
>
> Dear Sir/Madam,
>
> I am writing on behalf of the visually impaired community of the country.
> Your Railway Ticketing website www.irctc.co.in has now become totally
> inaccessible to use for the millions of blind persons in the country.
> It may be noted that with persistent advocacy and favourable court orders In
> the court of CCPD vide Case No. 88/1101/13-14 dated 06/12/2013, Bhawani
> Shankar Verma VS IRCTC  we had been able to get the changes implemented in
> the earlier IRCTC website. In particular OTP based verification was
> specially introduced as an alternative to 

[AI] Needed information

[GOLI VIJAY RAJ]

in Windows we have a default software to magnify the screen known as
magnifier then what is the similar software for Linux OS?



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Re: [AI] IRCTC became inaccessible

[bhawani shankar verma]

mam! supreme court's website is itself inaccessible. what about the prayers 
in the said case. I mean what the petitioner have pleaded before the hon'ble 
court? As the hearing on accessibility matter is already in the process, 
will supreme court admit fresh petition on the matter?


-Original Message- 
From: Kanchan Pamnani

Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 1:51 PM
To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning 
the disabled.'

Subject: Re: [AI] IRCTC became inaccessible

Agree with everyone. Just bringing a couple of points to the table.
1. Websites must become accessible by June 2019 as per the RPWD act. In the 
interim we need not suffer-lets start sending notices, escalating matters 
and use social media.
2. There is a matter pending in the Supreme Court regarding 
accessibility-Rajiv Raturi v. Union of India. Just recently Rahul Bajaj has 
intervened regarding the accessibility of Courts. Anyone else interested may 
intervene regarding railways and websites.

Kanchan

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf 
Of George Abraham

Sent: 25 September 2018 07:47
To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning 
the disabled.'

Subject: Re: [AI] IRCTC became inaccessible

Absolutely! There is no reason why we should have to compromise on this 
front. Access should not and must not be denied.! We are actually fighting 
against a wide spread ignorance, a lack of understanding, an attitude and a 
lack of competence. A lot of people in the mainstream do not know or never 
heard of access. Many believe that partial access is ok. A lot of IT 
professionals have not even heard of the W3CAG norms. IT schools have to 
make accessibility mandatory part of their course. The orders have to come 
from the top, maybe even right on top from the PM himself. Small side fixes 
and tweaks will not sort matters out. Accessibility is not an individual 
issue, it is a community issue, it needs to be viewed as a National 
challenge.


-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf 
Of bhawani shankar verma

Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 6:49 AM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning 
the disabled.

Subject: Re: [AI] IRCTC became inaccessible

Why only IRCTC? Why not we file petition in supreme court to make all 
internal, external websites and applications accessible  including 
government, public sector and private sector and demand for a nodal officer 
to complaint regarding accessiblility?



-Original Message-
From: Giri Prasad
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 6:33 AM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning 
the disabled.

Subject: Re: [AI] IRCTC became inaccessible

Hi,
let us pressurize the officials to make IRCTC accessible across all the 
screen readers and browsers.
Since there are 2000 to 3000 members on access India mailing group, it would 
be better if we can post it on the social media like facebook and twitter 
and pressurise the officials.



On 24/09/2018, Dr. Aruni Sharma  wrote:

Hi, There is nothing personal about my mail. Whatever issues have been
raised are causing concern to all of us. For me, it is all about
getting things done so long as the issues are not fixed by the
authorities. As far as question of installing multiple browsers and
screen readers is concerned, I use all most all  browsers and screen
readers as everyone of them has its own merits. Things have become
slightly tough in windows10 as Edge doesn’t have good support for JAWS
at the moment.



Thanks


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: bhawani shankar verma
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 7:10 PM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
concerning the disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] IRCTC became inaccessible

Aruni Ji, your reply in this topic seems that you are presenting IRCTC
part in the matter. The website must be accessible across screen
readers. Your mail suggest me to install multiple web browser with
multiple screen readers. as the case in particular, I have no problem
with IRCTC at all.
secondly, the PRS counter is just 1km from my office, hence,
purchasing train ticket is not a barrier for me in particular.

On Mon, 24 Sep 2018, 6:59 p.m. Ved,  wrote:


But the railway officials are telling a lie. Let us ask for a meeting
with their technical teem and demonstrate their lies in practicals.

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
Behalf Of bhawani shankar verma
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 10:11 AM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
concerning the disabled. 
Subject: Re: [AI] IRCTC became inaccessible

dear amar, here is my letter sent to IRCTC and their reply to AICB:

To,
The Director
Indian Railway Catering and Tourism Corporation Ltd., B 148, 11th
Floor, 

Re: [AI] draft National Education Policy

[Kanchan Pamnani]

Ajay 
I very specifically asked anyone interested to write to me at my mail
address given in the email. 
Please do the needful. Its technically very difficult for me to send it to
you on accessindia.
Kanchan   


-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
Of Ajay Minocha
Sent: 24 September 2018 23:19
To: bgf...@googlegroups.org"AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility
and issues concerning the disabled."
Subject: Re: [AI] draft National Education Policy

All,

Let's have a go at it?

On 24/09/2018, Kanchan Pamnani  wrote:
> Is anyone interested in reviewing the Policy. The Minister wants to 
> release it on 21st October. I only have a pdf file.
>
> So if interested please email me at kanchanpamn...@gmail.com 
>   and I can email it to you.
>
> You will have to work on it quickly and send in your comments to ncpedp.
>
> Thanks
>
> Kanchan
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AI] IRCTC became inaccessible

[Kanchan Pamnani]

Agree with everyone. Just bringing a couple of points to the table. 
1. Websites must become accessible by June 2019 as per the RPWD act. In the 
interim we need not suffer-lets start sending notices, escalating matters and 
use social media.  
2. There is a matter pending in the Supreme Court regarding accessibility-Rajiv 
Raturi v. Union of India. Just recently Rahul Bajaj has intervened regarding 
the accessibility of Courts. Anyone else interested may intervene regarding 
railways and websites. 
Kanchan 

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
George Abraham
Sent: 25 September 2018 07:47
To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled.'
Subject: Re: [AI] IRCTC became inaccessible

Absolutely! There is no reason why we should have to compromise on this front. 
Access should not and must not be denied.! We are actually fighting against a 
wide spread ignorance, a lack of understanding, an attitude and a lack of 
competence. A lot of people in the mainstream do not know or never heard of 
access. Many believe that partial access is ok. A lot of IT professionals have 
not even heard of the W3CAG norms. IT schools have to make accessibility 
mandatory part of their course. The orders have to come from the top, maybe 
even right on top from the PM himself. Small side fixes and tweaks will not 
sort matters out. Accessibility is not an individual issue, it is a community 
issue, it needs to be viewed as a National challenge.   

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
bhawani shankar verma
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 6:49 AM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] IRCTC became inaccessible

Why only IRCTC? Why not we file petition in supreme court to make all internal, 
external websites and applications accessible  including government, public 
sector and private sector and demand for a nodal officer to complaint regarding 
accessiblility?


-Original Message-
From: Giri Prasad
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 6:33 AM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] IRCTC became inaccessible

Hi,
let us pressurize the officials to make IRCTC accessible across all the screen 
readers and browsers.
Since there are 2000 to 3000 members on access India mailing group, it would be 
better if we can post it on the social media like facebook and twitter and 
pressurise the officials.


On 24/09/2018, Dr. Aruni Sharma  wrote:
> Hi, There is nothing personal about my mail. Whatever issues have been 
> raised are causing concern to all of us. For me, it is all about 
> getting things done so long as the issues are not fixed by the 
> authorities. As far as question of installing multiple browsers and 
> screen readers is concerned, I use all most all  browsers and screen 
> readers as everyone of them has its own merits. Things have become 
> slightly tough in windows10 as Edge doesn’t have good support for JAWS 
> at the moment.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: bhawani shankar verma
> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 7:10 PM
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
> concerning the disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] IRCTC became inaccessible
>
> Aruni Ji, your reply in this topic seems that you are presenting IRCTC 
> part in the matter. The website must be accessible across screen 
> readers. Your mail suggest me to install multiple web browser with 
> multiple screen readers. as the case in particular, I have no problem 
> with IRCTC at all.
> secondly, the PRS counter is just 1km from my office, hence, 
> purchasing train ticket is not a barrier for me in particular.
>
> On Mon, 24 Sep 2018, 6:59 p.m. Ved,  wrote:
>
>> But the railway officials are telling a lie. Let us ask for a meeting 
>> with their technical teem and demonstrate their lies in practicals.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
>> Behalf Of bhawani shankar verma
>> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 10:11 AM
>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
>> concerning the disabled. 
>> Subject: Re: [AI] IRCTC became inaccessible
>>
>> dear amar, here is my letter sent to IRCTC and their reply to AICB:
>>
>> To,
>> The Director
>> Indian Railway Catering and Tourism Corporation Ltd., B 148, 11th 
>> Floor, Statesman House, Barakhamba Road New Delhi-110001
>>
>> Subject: Denial of Internet ticketing facility to blind persons
>>
>> Dear Sir/Madam,
>>
>> I am writing on behalf of the visually impaired community of the country.
>> Your Railway Ticketing website www.irctc.co.in has now become totally 
>> inaccessible to use for the millions of blind persons in the country.
>> It may be noted that with