Re: [Acme] Removing OOB Challenge Type

2017-11-30 Thread Andrew Ayer
No objections here. Regards, Andrew On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 10:22:56 -0800 Jacob Hoffman-Andrews wrote: > I agree with this change. It's a good plan to not try and pre-specify > things like OOB that aren't on anyone's roadmap, because that leaves > the space open for a better specification once som

Re: [Acme] Question about the new finalizeURL approach, and the order object format after finalizeURL

2017-11-30 Thread Jacob Hoffman-Andrews
On 11/30/2017 02:53 PM, Tim Hollebeek wrote: > My recollection from various CA/Browser discussions is that CAs are *not* > actually required to keep around CSRs. Am I wrong? I may be misremembering. I thought they were required to log proof of the subscriber's possession of the private key, but yo

Re: [Acme] Question about the new finalizeURL approach, and the order object format after finalizeURL

2017-11-30 Thread Tim Hollebeek
My recollection from various CA/Browser discussions is that CAs are *not* actually required to keep around CSRs. Am I wrong? Most CAs do, because it is the easiest way to log proof of possession of the private key, and because it is useful for a variety of other auditing activities, but other met

Re: [Acme] Question about the new finalizeURL approach, and the order object format after finalizeURL

2017-11-30 Thread Jacob Hoffman-Andrews
On 11/30/2017 02:34 PM, Richard Barnes wrote: > As Jacob points out, CAs are already required to keep around CSRs in > audit logs. You missed an important nuance: CAs are not required to keep around CSRs in an online database for live querying on the web. It is much more expensive to store a CSR i

Re: [Acme] Question about the new finalizeURL approach, and the order object format after finalizeURL

2017-11-30 Thread Richard Barnes
I would like to keep it around. Part of the idea of the order and authorization objects is to provide some possibility of accounting for how a certificate was issued. Removing the "csr" would remove some of that transparency. As Jacob points out, CAs are already required to keep around CSRs in a

Re: [Acme] Question about the new finalizeURL approach, and the order object format after finalizeURL

2017-11-30 Thread Daniel McCarney
> > So my preference would be to remove the "csr" field from order objects, > since it doesn't serve any purpose. I agree. I don't think it makes sense to echo it back to the client that sent it. +1 to removing. On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 4:01 PM, Jacob Hoffman-Andrews wrote: > On 11/30/2017 12:

Re: [Acme] Question about the new finalizeURL approach, and the order object format after finalizeURL

2017-11-30 Thread Jacob Hoffman-Andrews
On 11/30/2017 12:58 PM, Logan Widick wrote: > In the new finalizeURL approach to orders, do order objects need to > contain a CSR after a user attempted to finalize the order, or after > the order is finalized? Would the CA have to store the CSR after it's > posted, or after the certificate is issu

[Acme] Question about the new finalizeURL approach, and the order object format after finalizeURL

2017-11-30 Thread Logan Widick
In the new finalizeURL approach to orders, do order objects need to contain a CSR after a user attempted to finalize the order, or after the order is finalized? Would the CA have to store the CSR after it's posted, or after the certificate is issued? >From the text, I assume that the body of the f

Re: [Acme] Removing OOB Challenge Type

2017-11-30 Thread Jacob Hoffman-Andrews
I agree with this change. It's a good plan to not try and pre-specify things like OOB that aren't on anyone's roadmap, because that leaves the space open for a better specification once someone wants to implement it. On 11/30/2017 09:39 AM, Clint Wilson wrote: > > I agree with the reasoning and de

Re: [Acme] Removing OOB Challenge Type

2017-11-30 Thread Clint Wilson
I agree with the reasoning and decision to remove this. While I think it's possible for this challenge type to become useful in the future, I don't have any justification for keeping it in in the meantime. As Daniel notes, it's straightforward to add it back if needed. On Thu, Nov 30, 2017, 10:25

Re: [Acme] Removing OOB Challenge Type

2017-11-30 Thread Daniel McCarney
> Daniel, please do not merge this until we determine WG consensus Of course :-) I don't have any merge privileges! On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Salz, Rich wrote: > Does anyone disagree with Daniel’s reasoning? If so, please speak up > before next Friday. > > > > Daniel, please do not me

Re: [Acme] Removing OOB Challenge Type

2017-11-30 Thread Salz, Rich
Does anyone disagree with Daniel’s reasoning? If so, please speak up before next Friday. Daniel, please do not merge this until we determine WG consensus. ___ Acme mailing list Acme@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/acme

[Acme] Removing OOB Challenge Type

2017-11-30 Thread Daniel McCarney
Hi folks, In a previous thread[0] surveying ACME implementations two commercial CAs (BuyPass and DigiCert) outlined that their ACME integrations use external account binding but **not** the Out-of-Band (OOB) challenge type. As Clint from DigiCert points out[1] having a binding with an external ac