RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Possessed PCs

2006-12-05 Thread Kevin Brunson
But I bet when you sit down in front of a computer, it knows it had
better behave :)

 



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Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Possessed PCs

 

The watch thing happened to me until the East Coast blackout of 2003. I
used to have baskets of dead watches. Since the blackout, I've been able
to wear watches. They still die a lot faster than they do on other
people if they're battery-powered, but at least I can wear 'em now. I
also beta tested a watch for Timex (I kid you not; who knew they beta
test watches, anyway?) that had a battery that was supposed to be
guaranteed to last three years. It made it nine months on me, which is a
personal record. 

 

I also have street light, um, issues. However, I have never been
kidnapped by aliens. Born of them, perhaps, but not kidnapped by any.
:-)

 

Laura

 





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Your father is probably mild

 

http://amasci.com/weird/unusual/zap.html these guys (if you
believe them) have real problems.

 

Mike Guest
IT Solutions
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Happens with my father and watches as well. The man cannot wear
a watch without it dying within weeks. But thats another story. If you
can isolate the symptoms to time of day or even the remote chance its a
bad ballast (flouresent lighting used to cause occasional problems with
old CRTs), etc. Atleast you can start to wittle things down a bit. But
in this case it sounds like RF overlap. Perhaps there is one mouse that
is emitting too strong a signal. 

I was a bit thrown this morning though when I thought I read
that this was happening with corded devices as well. 



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RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Possessed PCs

2006-12-04 Thread Mike Guest
Your father is probably mild

 

http://amasci.com/weird/unusual/zap.html these guys (if you believe
them) have real problems.

 

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Happens with my father and watches as well. The man cannot wear a watch
without it dying within weeks. But thats another story. If you can
isolate the symptoms to time of day or even the remote chance its a bad
ballast (flouresent lighting used to cause occasional problems with old
CRTs), etc. Atleast you can start to wittle things down a bit. But in
this case it sounds like RF overlap. Perhaps there is one mouse that is
emitting too strong a signal. 

I was a bit thrown this morning though when I thought I read that this
was happening with corded devices as well. 



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RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Possessed PCs

2006-12-04 Thread Scott Klassen
It can be even more amusing with wireless keyboards.  Somebody is typing up
an email and random characters begin appearing.

 

Scott Klassen

 

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Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 3:38 PM
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Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Possessed PCs

 

Yep, that was it. The one guy sitting between them all replaced his
batteries a few days ago, which is when the problems began. I almost took a
sledgehammer to that thing :-)

-- 
Brian Cline 

 

 

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Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Possessed PCs

Just to update... I was finally able to catch this in action. It stopped as
soon as I unplugged the wireless keyboard/mouse device from the PC. It
appears that one particular person's wireless mouse is crossing signal with
select others, but none of the nearby mice are the culprit. It still occurs
after the affected devices are reset with the connect button on the
kb/mouse receiver. This could get interesting...

 

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Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: Possessed PCs

Yesterday we had several people complain that their cursor was moving around
on its own, but not erratically or quickly as one would suspect might be the
case of a mouse issue. I used SMS remote tools to watch one person's screen,
and she noted that the way the cursor moved while I was in there checking
things was exactly the same way it was moving before -- it was just as
though someone was actually in there.

Now I can't begin to describe how odd this is -- but I can't seem to find
any common denominator for the folks who experienced this problem (so far,
three or four). Some have wireless mice with a short range and good
batteries with no problems otherwise, whereas the others have standard,
working USB mice. I have seen this before where the language bar was
detecting office and keyboard noise through the microphone as dictated
commands to do thing, but the problem persisted on the first PC after I
disabled it, and I don't think that particular model has a built-in mic. I
checked the event logs and the only person who used the SMS remote control
was me, so I can't imagine that anyone else would have been remoting it
either. So far today I have not heard any more complaints, but nevertheless
I'm still curious yet baffled.

All PCs have updated virus and spyware definitions. Does anyone have ideas
on where to start looking if this problem surfaces again? If it continues
we'll have the corporate chaplain bring in his exorcist buddy.

Brian Cline, Applications Developer 
Department of Information Technology 
GP Trucking Company, Inc. 
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RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Possessed PCs

2006-12-04 Thread Brian Cline
Please do! :-)
 
They sit in an area that is somewhat densely clustered with cubes. However, the 
first two of the affected users sat in cubes next to each other with a direct 
line of sight to the problem source roughly 15ft away, and have a near direct 
line of sight to a third affected user that was about 25ft and two walls away 
from the source of the problem. The fourth affected user was also about 25-30ft 
and three walls away from the source, in the opposite direction of the third 
user. The row of VP offices directly across from the fourth user's office were 
not affected (whew!).
 
And of course once we told the problem user what was going on, he had a little 
bit of fun with it first.

-- 
Brian Cline 

 



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Laura A. Robinson
Sent: Friday 01 December 2006 17:30
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Possessed PCs


When I go near wireless mice/keyboards, they stop working. (I can provide 
witnesses to this.) Want me to visit your office? ;-)
 
Laura
 
P.S. How densely clustered are these users? Does one user's interference stop 
if you turn off the other user's mouse? Seems like it'd be a quick way to 
verify that it's not somebody between them before you start cubicle crawling.




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Cline
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 3:36 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Possessed PCs


Since this morning, we've ruled out the possibility of the USB mice 
being affected as well. Apparently those folks with USB mice who complained 
were not having the same kind of cursor movement -- it was just the seldom 
jumpy cursor (where it spasms between 2-3 pixels while idle) usually seen only 
with optical mice. Fortunately I've been able to see it in action today, and it 
definitely seems to be coming from someone else's mouse as it appears to be 
normal mouse movements. The affected users are roughly 30-40 feet away, so 
we're checking to see if there is someone between of all of them who has a 
wireless mouse.
 
I like the idea of prohibiting the devices altogether. Would definitely 
save a lot of time -- I've not been able to get much serious work done today.
 
-- 
Brian Cline 
 



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Sent: Friday 01 December 2006 12:57
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Possessed PCs



Usually I see this from interference using wireless mice.  Usually it’s 
caused by people with other wireless devices close by and they are both 
operating on the same channel.  RF can operate through walls, so interference 
doesn’t have to be line of sight and can come through walls, from above or 
below if transmitting omnidirectionally.  Just had this recently where a bunch 
of staffers with laptops got wireless external keypads, all the same make and 
model, and found the range of these things was 20 feet.  Cell Phones, 
Microwaves, and other common items may also cause this for the same reasons.  I 
no longer allow wireless devices in my environments just to save the hassle.

 

You say this also happens with some wired usb mice?  Have you tried 
moving these to a different USB port on the system, preferably connected to a 
different USB controller?

 

Scott Klassen

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian 
Cline
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 10:07 AM
To: Active Directory Mailing List
Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: Possessed PCs

 

Yesterday we had several people complain that their cursor was moving 
around on its own, but not erratically or quickly as one would suspect might be 
the case of a mouse issue. I used SMS remote tools to watch one person's 
screen, and she noted that the way the cursor moved while I was in there 
checking things was exactly the same way it was moving before -- it was just as 
though someone was actually in there.

Now I can't begin to describe how odd this is -- but I can't seem to 
find any common denominator for the folks who experienced this problem (so far, 
three or four). Some have wireless mice with a short range and good batteries 
with no problems otherwise, whereas the others have standard, working USB mice. 
I have seen this before where the language bar was detecting office and 
keyboard noise through the microphone as dictated commands to do thing, but the 
problem persisted on the first PC after I disabled it, and I don't think that 
particular model has a built-in mic. I checked the event logs and the only 
person who used the SMS remote

RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Possessed PCs

2006-12-04 Thread Brian Cline
To be honest I'm not sure why those guys have wireless devices to begin with. 
They were problably given to them at the time solely because it was the latest 
and greatest. Not too big a fan of that doctrine myself.

-- 
Brian Cline 

 



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Sent: Sunday 03 December 2006 22:48
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: Possessed PCs


There are some wireless mice/keyboards that can potentially support hundreds of 
non-interfering devices - if they want to have wireless, make them use what has 
been 'approved' or nothing at all :)


On 12/1/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 


Happens with my father and watches as well. The man cannot wear a watch 
without it dying within weeks. But thats another story. If you can isolate the 
symptoms to time of day or even the remote chance its a bad ballast (flouresent 
lighting used to cause occasional problems with old CRTs), etc. Atleast you can 
start to wittle things down a bit. But in this case it sounds like RF overlap. 
Perhaps there is one mouse that is emitting too strong a signal. 

I was a bit thrown this morning though when I thought I read that this 
was happening with corded devices as well. 



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RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Possessed PCs

2006-12-04 Thread Steve Egan \(Temp\)
RF is funny stuff.  Depending on the strength/frequency of the carrier
wave, walls, current-carrying wires within those walls, and even rebar
within concrete can act as waveguides.  Toss in a healthy dose of
multipathing and BFO's (Beat Frequency Oscillators) and you have a
nightmare in cubicle-land.  You have to walk around with a Spectrum
Analyzer to appreciate what goes on in the RF spectrum in an office
building, believe me.  Add a rogue device that's spitting stuff out
too loudly, or at just the wrong frequency, and stir.  Your brains.
Because you can't figure out the @#$%^$-ing problem.  The sledgehammer
solution works just peachy!  We banned all this stuff, and our service
calls went away.  No more broken keyboards and mice.

 

Wireless ain't what it's cracked up to be because there are now too many
devices using the very narrow spectrum.  Just ask the FCC...

 

Steve Egan

Purcell Systems

System/Network Administrator

desk 509 755-0341 x110

cell 509 475-7682

fax 509 755-0345



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Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 9:30 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Possessed PCs

 

Please do! :-)

 

They sit in an area that is somewhat densely clustered with cubes.
However, the first two of the affected users sat in cubes next to each
other with a direct line of sight to the problem source roughly 15ft
away, and have a near direct line of sight to a third affected user that
was about 25ft and two walls away from the source of the problem. The
fourth affected user was also about 25-30ft and three walls away from
the source, in the opposite direction of the third user. The row of VP
offices directly across from the fourth user's office were not affected
(whew!).

 

And of course once we told the problem user what was going on, he had a
little bit of fun with it first.

-- 
Brian Cline 

 

 



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Laura A.
Robinson
Sent: Friday 01 December 2006 17:30
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Possessed PCs

When I go near wireless mice/keyboards, they stop working. (I can
provide witnesses to this.) Want me to visit your office? ;-)

 

Laura

 

P.S. How densely clustered are these users? Does one user's interference
stop if you turn off the other user's mouse? Seems like it'd be a quick
way to verify that it's not somebody between them before you start
cubicle crawling.

 





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Cline
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 3:36 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Possessed PCs

Since this morning, we've ruled out the possibility of the USB
mice being affected as well. Apparently those folks with USB mice who
complained were not having the same kind of cursor movement -- it was
just the seldom jumpy cursor (where it spasms between 2-3 pixels while
idle) usually seen only with optical mice. Fortunately I've been able to
see it in action today, and it definitely seems to be coming from
someone else's mouse as it appears to be normal mouse movements. The
affected users are roughly 30-40 feet away, so we're checking to see if
there is someone between of all of them who has a wireless mouse.

 

I like the idea of prohibiting the devices altogether. Would
definitely save a lot of time -- I've not been able to get much serious
work done today.

 

-- 
Brian Cline 

 

 





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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Klassen
Sent: Friday 01 December 2006 12:57
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Possessed PCs

Usually I see this from interference using wireless mice.
Usually it's caused by people with other wireless devices close by and
they are both operating on the same channel.  RF can operate through
walls, so interference doesn't have to be line of sight and can come
through walls, from above or below if transmitting omnidirectionally.
Just had this recently where a bunch of staffers with laptops got
wireless external keypads, all the same make and model, and found the
range of these things was 20 feet.  Cell Phones, Microwaves, and other
common items may also cause this for the same reasons.  I no longer
allow wireless devices in my environments just to save the hassle.

 

You say this also happens with some wired usb mice?  Have you
tried moving these to a different USB port on the system, preferably
connected to a different USB controller?

 

Scott Klassen

 

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Cline
Sent: Friday

RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Possessed PCs

2006-12-04 Thread Crawford, Scott
I agree.  I'm also curious about the security side of this.  Are the
transmissions encrypted?  Apparently not very well if one mouse affects
another's pc.  Just open notepad on an affected PC and you have a poor
man's keylogger.

 



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Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 11:39 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Possessed PCs

 

To be honest I'm not sure why those guys have wireless devices to begin
with. They were problably given to them at the time solely because it
was the latest and greatest. Not too big a fan of that doctrine myself.

-- 
Brian Cline 

 

 



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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Hargraves
Sent: Sunday 03 December 2006 22:48
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: Possessed PCs

There are some wireless mice/keyboards that can potentially support
hundreds of non-interfering devices - if they want to have wireless,
make them use what has been 'approved' or nothing at all :)

On 12/1/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote: 


Happens with my father and watches as well. The man cannot wear a watch
without it dying within weeks. But thats another story. If you can
isolate the symptoms to time of day or even the remote chance its a bad
ballast (flouresent lighting used to cause occasional problems with old
CRTs), etc. Atleast you can start to wittle things down a bit. But in
this case it sounds like RF overlap. Perhaps there is one mouse that is
emitting too strong a signal. 

I was a bit thrown this morning though when I thought I read that this
was happening with corded devices as well. 



Brent Eads
Employee Technology Solutions, Inc.

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Fax: (312) 762-9275


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RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Possessed PCs

2006-12-04 Thread Laura A. Robinson
The watch thing happened to me until the East Coast blackout of 2003. I used
to have baskets of dead watches. Since the blackout, I've been able to wear
watches. They still die a lot faster than they do on other people if they're
battery-powered, but at least I can wear 'em now. I also beta tested a watch
for Timex (I kid you not; who knew they beta test watches, anyway?) that had
a battery that was supposed to be guaranteed to last three years. It made it
nine months on me, which is a personal record. 
 
I also have street light, um, issues. However, I have never been kidnapped
by aliens. Born of them, perhaps, but not kidnapped by any. :-)
 
Laura


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Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Possessed PCs



Your father is probably mild….

 

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Sent: 01 December 2006 23:58
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Possessed PCs

 


Happens with my father and watches as well. The man cannot wear a watch
without it dying within weeks. But thats another story. If you can isolate
the symptoms to time of day or even the remote chance its a bad ballast
(flouresent lighting used to cause occasional problems with old CRTs), etc.
Atleast you can start to wittle things down a bit. But in this case it
sounds like RF overlap. Perhaps there is one mouse that is emitting too
strong a signal. 

I was a bit thrown this morning though when I thought I read that this was
happening with corded devices as well. 



Brent Eads
Employee Technology Solutions, Inc.

Office: (312) 762-9224
Fax: (312) 762-9275


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Re: [ActiveDir] OT: Possessed PCs

2006-12-03 Thread Matt Hargraves

There are some wireless mice/keyboards that can potentially support hundreds
of non-interfering devices - if they want to have wireless, make them use
what has been 'approved' or nothing at all :)

On 12/1/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Happens with my father and watches as well. The man cannot wear a watch
without it dying within weeks. But thats another story. If you can isolate
the symptoms to time of day or even the remote chance its a bad ballast
(flouresent lighting used to cause occasional problems with old CRTs), etc.
Atleast you can start to wittle things down a bit. But in this case it
sounds like RF overlap. Perhaps there is one mouse that is emitting too
strong a signal.

I was a bit thrown this morning though when I thought I read that this was
happening with corded devices as well.



Brent Eads
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Office: (312) 762-9224
Fax: (312) 762-9275


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RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Possessed PCs

2006-12-01 Thread Laura A. Robinson
Was the cursor moving in what appeared to be a directed fashion (as if
somebody invisible was moving the mouse), or was it moving around
unpredictably?
 
Laura


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Cline
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 11:07 AM
To: Active Directory Mailing List
Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: Possessed PCs



Yesterday we had several people complain that their cursor was moving around
on its own, but not erratically or quickly as one would suspect might be the
case of a mouse issue. I used SMS remote tools to watch one person's screen,
and she noted that the way the cursor moved while I was in there checking
things was exactly the same way it was moving before -- it was just as
though someone was actually in there.

Now I can't begin to describe how odd this is -- but I can't seem to find
any common denominator for the folks who experienced this problem (so far,
three or four). Some have wireless mice with a short range and good
batteries with no problems otherwise, whereas the others have standard,
working USB mice. I have seen this before where the language bar was
detecting office and keyboard noise through the microphone as dictated
commands to do thing, but the problem persisted on the first PC after I
disabled it, and I don't think that particular model has a built-in mic. I
checked the event logs and the only person who used the SMS remote control
was me, so I can't imagine that anyone else would have been remoting it
either. So far today I have not heard any more complaints, but nevertheless
I'm still curious yet baffled.

All PCs have updated virus and spyware definitions. Does anyone have ideas
on where to start looking if this problem surfaces again? If it continues
we'll have the corporate chaplain bring in his exorcist buddy.

Brian Cline, Applications Developer 
Department of Information Technology 
GP Trucking Company, Inc. 
803.936.8595 Direct Line 
800.922.1147 Toll-Free (x8595) 
803.739.1176 Fax 


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RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Possessed PCs

2006-12-01 Thread Scott Klassen
Usually I see this from interference using wireless mice.  Usually it's
caused by people with other wireless devices close by and they are both
operating on the same channel.  RF can operate through walls, so
interference doesn't have to be line of sight and can come through walls,
from above or below if transmitting omnidirectionally.  Just had this
recently where a bunch of staffers with laptops got wireless external
keypads, all the same make and model, and found the range of these things
was 20 feet.  Cell Phones, Microwaves, and other common items may also cause
this for the same reasons.  I no longer allow wireless devices in my
environments just to save the hassle.

 

You say this also happens with some wired usb mice?  Have you tried moving
these to a different USB port on the system, preferably connected to a
different USB controller?

 

Scott Klassen

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Cline
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 10:07 AM
To: Active Directory Mailing List
Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: Possessed PCs

 

Yesterday we had several people complain that their cursor was moving around
on its own, but not erratically or quickly as one would suspect might be the
case of a mouse issue. I used SMS remote tools to watch one person's screen,
and she noted that the way the cursor moved while I was in there checking
things was exactly the same way it was moving before -- it was just as
though someone was actually in there.

Now I can't begin to describe how odd this is -- but I can't seem to find
any common denominator for the folks who experienced this problem (so far,
three or four). Some have wireless mice with a short range and good
batteries with no problems otherwise, whereas the others have standard,
working USB mice. I have seen this before where the language bar was
detecting office and keyboard noise through the microphone as dictated
commands to do thing, but the problem persisted on the first PC after I
disabled it, and I don't think that particular model has a built-in mic. I
checked the event logs and the only person who used the SMS remote control
was me, so I can't imagine that anyone else would have been remoting it
either. So far today I have not heard any more complaints, but nevertheless
I'm still curious yet baffled.

All PCs have updated virus and spyware definitions. Does anyone have ideas
on where to start looking if this problem surfaces again? If it continues
we'll have the corporate chaplain bring in his exorcist buddy.

Brian Cline, Applications Developer 
Department of Information Technology 
GP Trucking Company, Inc. 
803.936.8595 Direct Line 
800.922.1147 Toll-Free (x8595) 
803.739.1176 Fax 



RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Possessed PCs

2006-12-01 Thread Brian Cline
Just to update... I was finally able to catch this in action. It stopped as 
soon as I unplugged the wireless keyboard/mouse device from the PC. It appears 
that one particular person's wireless mouse is crossing signal with select 
others, but none of the nearby mice are the culprit. It still occurs after the 
affected devices are reset with the connect button on the kb/mouse receiver. 
This could get interesting...



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Cline
Sent: Friday 01 December 2006 11:07
To: Active Directory Mailing List
Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: Possessed PCs



Yesterday we had several people complain that their cursor was moving around on 
its own, but not erratically or quickly as one would suspect might be the case 
of a mouse issue. I used SMS remote tools to watch one person's screen, and she 
noted that the way the cursor moved while I was in there checking things was 
exactly the same way it was moving before -- it was just as though someone was 
actually in there.

Now I can't begin to describe how odd this is -- but I can't seem to find any 
common denominator for the folks who experienced this problem (so far, three or 
four). Some have wireless mice with a short range and good batteries with no 
problems otherwise, whereas the others have standard, working USB mice. I have 
seen this before where the language bar was detecting office and keyboard noise 
through the microphone as dictated commands to do thing, but the problem 
persisted on the first PC after I disabled it, and I don't think that 
particular model has a built-in mic. I checked the event logs and the only 
person who used the SMS remote control was me, so I can't imagine that anyone 
else would have been remoting it either. So far today I have not heard any more 
complaints, but nevertheless I'm still curious yet baffled.

All PCs have updated virus and spyware definitions. Does anyone have ideas on 
where to start looking if this problem surfaces again? If it continues we'll 
have the corporate chaplain bring in his exorcist buddy.

Brian Cline, Applications Developer 
Department of Information Technology 
GP Trucking Company, Inc. 
803.936.8595 Direct Line 
800.922.1147 Toll-Free (x8595) 
803.739.1176 Fax 



RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Possessed PCs

2006-12-01 Thread Brian Cline
It was moving in a directed fashion. The places that they clicked and pointed 
didn't really make sense on the screens where I witnessed this, but it was very 
much what I would call normal mouse activity.

-- 
Brian Cline 

 



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Laura A. Robinson
Sent: Friday 01 December 2006 12:55
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Possessed PCs


Was the cursor moving in what appeared to be a directed fashion (as if somebody 
invisible was moving the mouse), or was it moving around unpredictably?
 
Laura




From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian 
Cline
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 11:07 AM
To: Active Directory Mailing List
Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: Possessed PCs



Yesterday we had several people complain that their cursor was moving 
around on its own, but not erratically or quickly as one would suspect might be 
the case of a mouse issue. I used SMS remote tools to watch one person's 
screen, and she noted that the way the cursor moved while I was in there 
checking things was exactly the same way it was moving before -- it was just as 
though someone was actually in there.

Now I can't begin to describe how odd this is -- but I can't seem to 
find any common denominator for the folks who experienced this problem (so far, 
three or four). Some have wireless mice with a short range and good batteries 
with no problems otherwise, whereas the others have standard, working USB mice. 
I have seen this before where the language bar was detecting office and 
keyboard noise through the microphone as dictated commands to do thing, but the 
problem persisted on the first PC after I disabled it, and I don't think that 
particular model has a built-in mic. I checked the event logs and the only 
person who used the SMS remote control was me, so I can't imagine that anyone 
else would have been remoting it either. So far today I have not heard any more 
complaints, but nevertheless I'm still curious yet baffled.

All PCs have updated virus and spyware definitions. Does anyone have 
ideas on where to start looking if this problem surfaces again? If it continues 
we'll have the corporate chaplain bring in his exorcist buddy.

Brian Cline, Applications Developer 
Department of Information Technology 
GP Trucking Company, Inc. 
803.936.8595 Direct Line 
800.922.1147 Toll-Free (x8595) 
803.739.1176 Fax 


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RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Possessed PCs

2006-12-01 Thread Brian Cline
Since this morning, we've ruled out the possibility of the USB mice being 
affected as well. Apparently those folks with USB mice who complained were not 
having the same kind of cursor movement -- it was just the seldom jumpy cursor 
(where it spasms between 2-3 pixels while idle) usually seen only with optical 
mice. Fortunately I've been able to see it in action today, and it definitely 
seems to be coming from someone else's mouse as it appears to be normal mouse 
movements. The affected users are roughly 30-40 feet away, so we're checking to 
see if there is someone between of all of them who has a wireless mouse.
 
I like the idea of prohibiting the devices altogether. Would definitely save a 
lot of time -- I've not been able to get much serious work done today.
 
-- 
Brian Cline 
 



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Klassen
Sent: Friday 01 December 2006 12:57
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Possessed PCs



Usually I see this from interference using wireless mice.  Usually it's caused 
by people with other wireless devices close by and they are both operating on 
the same channel.  RF can operate through walls, so interference doesn't have 
to be line of sight and can come through walls, from above or below if 
transmitting omnidirectionally.  Just had this recently where a bunch of 
staffers with laptops got wireless external keypads, all the same make and 
model, and found the range of these things was 20 feet.  Cell Phones, 
Microwaves, and other common items may also cause this for the same reasons.  I 
no longer allow wireless devices in my environments just to save the hassle.

 

You say this also happens with some wired usb mice?  Have you tried moving 
these to a different USB port on the system, preferably connected to a 
different USB controller?

 

Scott Klassen

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Cline
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 10:07 AM
To: Active Directory Mailing List
Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: Possessed PCs

 

Yesterday we had several people complain that their cursor was moving around on 
its own, but not erratically or quickly as one would suspect might be the case 
of a mouse issue. I used SMS remote tools to watch one person's screen, and she 
noted that the way the cursor moved while I was in there checking things was 
exactly the same way it was moving before -- it was just as though someone was 
actually in there.

Now I can't begin to describe how odd this is -- but I can't seem to find any 
common denominator for the folks who experienced this problem (so far, three or 
four). Some have wireless mice with a short range and good batteries with no 
problems otherwise, whereas the others have standard, working USB mice. I have 
seen this before where the language bar was detecting office and keyboard noise 
through the microphone as dictated commands to do thing, but the problem 
persisted on the first PC after I disabled it, and I don't think that 
particular model has a built-in mic. I checked the event logs and the only 
person who used the SMS remote control was me, so I can't imagine that anyone 
else would have been remoting it either. So far today I have not heard any more 
complaints, but nevertheless I'm still curious yet baffled.

All PCs have updated virus and spyware definitions. Does anyone have ideas on 
where to start looking if this problem surfaces again? If it continues we'll 
have the corporate chaplain bring in his exorcist buddy.

Brian Cline, Applications Developer 
Department of Information Technology 
GP Trucking Company, Inc. 
803.936.8595 Direct Line 
800.922.1147 Toll-Free (x8595) 
803.739.1176 Fax 



RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Possessed PCs

2006-12-01 Thread Brian Cline
Yep, that was it. The one guy sitting between them all replaced his batteries a 
few days ago, which is when the problems began. I almost took a sledgehammer to 
that thing :-)

-- 
Brian Cline 
 



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Cline
Sent: Friday 01 December 2006 13:42
To: Active Directory Mailing List
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Possessed PCs


Just to update... I was finally able to catch this in action. It stopped as 
soon as I unplugged the wireless keyboard/mouse device from the PC. It appears 
that one particular person's wireless mouse is crossing signal with select 
others, but none of the nearby mice are the culprit. It still occurs after the 
affected devices are reset with the connect button on the kb/mouse receiver. 
This could get interesting...



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Cline
Sent: Friday 01 December 2006 11:07
To: Active Directory Mailing List
Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: Possessed PCs



Yesterday we had several people complain that their cursor was moving around on 
its own, but not erratically or quickly as one would suspect might be the case 
of a mouse issue. I used SMS remote tools to watch one person's screen, and she 
noted that the way the cursor moved while I was in there checking things was 
exactly the same way it was moving before -- it was just as though someone was 
actually in there.

Now I can't begin to describe how odd this is -- but I can't seem to find any 
common denominator for the folks who experienced this problem (so far, three or 
four). Some have wireless mice with a short range and good batteries with no 
problems otherwise, whereas the others have standard, working USB mice. I have 
seen this before where the language bar was detecting office and keyboard noise 
through the microphone as dictated commands to do thing, but the problem 
persisted on the first PC after I disabled it, and I don't think that 
particular model has a built-in mic. I checked the event logs and the only 
person who used the SMS remote control was me, so I can't imagine that anyone 
else would have been remoting it either. So far today I have not heard any more 
complaints, but nevertheless I'm still curious yet baffled.

All PCs have updated virus and spyware definitions. Does anyone have ideas on 
where to start looking if this problem surfaces again? If it continues we'll 
have the corporate chaplain bring in his exorcist buddy.

Brian Cline, Applications Developer 
Department of Information Technology 
GP Trucking Company, Inc. 
803.936.8595 Direct Line 
800.922.1147 Toll-Free (x8595) 
803.739.1176 Fax 



Re: [ActiveDir] OT: Possessed PCs

2006-12-01 Thread Al Mulnick

Easy enough: stop using wireless devices.  If that's not an option, bring in
some equipment to measure the rfi and see what you can do to reduce it.

I've seen mobile phones and microwaves interfere with such devices as well.
Not always resulting in the same symptoms you saw, but...



On 12/1/06, Brian Cline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Just to update... I was finally able to catch this in action. It stopped
as soon as I unplugged the wireless keyboard/mouse device from the PC. It
appears that one particular person's wireless mouse is crossing signal with
select others, but none of the nearby mice are the culprit. It still occurs
after the affected devices are reset with the connect button on the
kb/mouse receiver. This could get interesting...

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*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Brian Cline
*Sent:* Friday 01 December 2006 11:07
*To:* Active Directory Mailing List
*Subject:* [ActiveDir] OT: Possessed PCs



Yesterday we had several people complain that their cursor was moving
around on its own, but not erratically or quickly as one would suspect might
be the case of a mouse issue. I used SMS remote tools to watch one person's
screen, and she noted that the way the cursor moved while I was in there
checking things was exactly the same way it was moving before -- it was just
as though someone was actually in there.

Now I can't begin to describe how odd this is -- but I can't seem to find
any common denominator for the folks who experienced this problem (so far,
three or four). Some have wireless mice with a short range and good
batteries with no problems otherwise, whereas the others have standard,
working USB mice. I have seen this before where the language bar was
detecting office and keyboard noise through the microphone as dictated
commands to do thing, but the problem persisted on the first PC after I
disabled it, and I don't think that particular model has a built-in mic. I
checked the event logs and the only person who used the SMS remote control
was me, so I can't imagine that anyone else would have been remoting it
either. So far today I have not heard any more complaints, but nevertheless
I'm still curious yet baffled.

All PCs have updated virus and spyware definitions. Does anyone have ideas
on where to start looking if this problem surfaces again? If it continues
we'll have the corporate chaplain bring in his exorcist buddy.

Brian Cline, Applications Developer
Department of Information Technology
GP Trucking Company, Inc.
803.936.8595 Direct Line
800.922.1147 Toll-Free (x8595)
803.739.1176 Fax



RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Possessed PCs

2006-12-01 Thread Laura A. Robinson
When I go near wireless mice/keyboards, they stop working. (I can provide
witnesses to this.) Want me to visit your office? ;-)
 
Laura
 
P.S. How densely clustered are these users? Does one user's interference
stop if you turn off the other user's mouse? Seems like it'd be a quick way
to verify that it's not somebody between them before you start cubicle
crawling.


   _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Cline
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 3:36 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Possessed PCs


Since this morning, we've ruled out the possibility of the USB mice being
affected as well. Apparently those folks with USB mice who complained were
not having the same kind of cursor movement -- it was just the seldom jumpy
cursor (where it spasms between 2-3 pixels while idle) usually seen only
with optical mice. Fortunately I've been able to see it in action today, and
it definitely seems to be coming from someone else's mouse as it appears to
be normal mouse movements. The affected users are roughly 30-40 feet away,
so we're checking to see if there is someone between of all of them who has
a wireless mouse.
 
I like the idea of prohibiting the devices altogether. Would definitely save
a lot of time -- I've not been able to get much serious work done today.
 
-- 
Brian Cline 
 

   _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Klassen
Sent: Friday 01 December 2006 12:57
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Possessed PCs



Usually I see this from interference using wireless mice.  Usually it’s
caused by people with other wireless devices close by and they are both
operating on the same channel.  RF can operate through walls, so
interference doesn’t have to be line of sight and can come through walls,
from above or below if transmitting omnidirectionally.  Just had this
recently where a bunch of staffers with laptops got wireless external
keypads, all the same make and model, and found the range of these things
was 20 feet.  Cell Phones, Microwaves, and other common items may also cause
this for the same reasons.  I no longer allow wireless devices in my
environments just to save the hassle.

 

You say this also happens with some wired usb mice?  Have you tried moving
these to a different USB port on the system, preferably connected to a
different USB controller?

 

Scott Klassen

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Cline
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 10:07 AM
To: Active Directory Mailing List
Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: Possessed PCs

 

Yesterday we had several people complain that their cursor was moving around
on its own, but not erratically or quickly as one would suspect might be the
case of a mouse issue. I used SMS remote tools to watch one person's screen,
and she noted that the way the cursor moved while I was in there checking
things was exactly the same way it was moving before -- it was just as
though someone was actually in there.

Now I can't begin to describe how odd this is -- but I can't seem to find
any common denominator for the folks who experienced this problem (so far,
three or four). Some have wireless mice with a short range and good
batteries with no problems otherwise, whereas the others have standard,
working USB mice. I have seen this before where the language bar was
detecting office and keyboard noise through the microphone as dictated
commands to do thing, but the problem persisted on the first PC after I
disabled it, and I don't think that particular model has a built-in mic. I
checked the event logs and the only person who used the SMS remote control
was me, so I can't imagine that anyone else would have been remoting it
either. So far today I have not heard any more complaints, but nevertheless
I'm still curious yet baffled.

All PCs have updated virus and spyware definitions. Does anyone have ideas
on where to start looking if this problem surfaces again? If it continues
we'll have the corporate chaplain bring in his exorcist buddy.

Brian Cline, Applications Developer 
Department of Information Technology 
GP Trucking Company, Inc. 
803.936.8595 Direct Line 
800.922.1147 Toll-Free (x8595) 
803.739.1176 Fax 


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RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Possessed PCs

2006-12-01 Thread Laura A. Robinson
The mouse, or the guy?


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Cline
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 4:38 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Possessed PCs


Yep, that was it. The one guy sitting between them all replaced his
batteries a few days ago, which is when the problems began. I almost took a
sledgehammer to that thing :-)

-- 
Brian Cline 
 

   _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Cline
Sent: Friday 01 December 2006 13:42
To: Active Directory Mailing List
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Possessed PCs


Just to update... I was finally able to catch this in action. It stopped as
soon as I unplugged the wireless keyboard/mouse device from the PC. It
appears that one particular person's wireless mouse is crossing signal with
select others, but none of the nearby mice are the culprit. It still occurs
after the affected devices are reset with the connect button on the
kb/mouse receiver. This could get interesting...

   _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Cline
Sent: Friday 01 December 2006 11:07
To: Active Directory Mailing List
Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: Possessed PCs



Yesterday we had several people complain that their cursor was moving around
on its own, but not erratically or quickly as one would suspect might be the
case of a mouse issue. I used SMS remote tools to watch one person's screen,
and she noted that the way the cursor moved while I was in there checking
things was exactly the same way it was moving before -- it was just as
though someone was actually in there.

Now I can't begin to describe how odd this is -- but I can't seem to find
any common denominator for the folks who experienced this problem (so far,
three or four). Some have wireless mice with a short range and good
batteries with no problems otherwise, whereas the others have standard,
working USB mice. I have seen this before where the language bar was
detecting office and keyboard noise through the microphone as dictated
commands to do thing, but the problem persisted on the first PC after I
disabled it, and I don't think that particular model has a built-in mic. I
checked the event logs and the only person who used the SMS remote control
was me, so I can't imagine that anyone else would have been remoting it
either. So far today I have not heard any more complaints, but nevertheless
I'm still curious yet baffled.

All PCs have updated virus and spyware definitions. Does anyone have ideas
on where to start looking if this problem surfaces again? If it continues
we'll have the corporate chaplain bring in his exorcist buddy.

Brian Cline, Applications Developer 
Department of Information Technology 
GP Trucking Company, Inc. 
803.936.8595 Direct Line 
800.922.1147 Toll-Free (x8595) 
803.739.1176 Fax 


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Re: [ActiveDir] OT: Possessed PCs

2006-12-01 Thread Kevin Gent
bluetooth devices can be a pain as well..
  - Original Message - 
  From: Al Mulnick 
  To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org 
  Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 5:01 PM
  Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: Possessed PCs


  Easy enough: stop using wireless devices.  If that's not an option, bring in 
some equipment to measure the rfi and see what you can do to reduce it.  

  I've seen mobile phones and microwaves interfere with such devices as well.  
Not always resulting in the same symptoms you saw, but...


   
  On 12/1/06, Brian Cline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
Just to update... I was finally able to catch this in action. It stopped as 
soon as I unplugged the wireless keyboard/mouse device from the PC. It appears 
that one particular person's wireless mouse is crossing signal with select 
others, but none of the nearby mice are the culprit. It still occurs after the 
affected devices are reset with the connect button on the kb/mouse receiver. 
This could get interesting... 




From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Cline
Sent: Friday 01 December 2006 11:07 
To: Active Directory Mailing List
Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: Possessed PCs

 
Yesterday we had several people complain that their cursor was moving 
around on its own, but not erratically or quickly as one would suspect might be 
the case of a mouse issue. I used SMS remote tools to watch one person's 
screen, and she noted that the way the cursor moved while I was in there 
checking things was exactly the same way it was moving before -- it was just as 
though someone was actually in there. 

Now I can't begin to describe how odd this is -- but I can't seem to find 
any common denominator for the folks who experienced this problem (so far, 
three or four). Some have wireless mice with a short range and good batteries 
with no problems otherwise, whereas the others have standard, working USB mice. 
I have seen this before where the language bar was detecting office and 
keyboard noise through the microphone as dictated commands to do thing, but the 
problem persisted on the first PC after I disabled it, and I don't think that 
particular model has a built-in mic. I checked the event logs and the only 
person who used the SMS remote control was me, so I can't imagine that anyone 
else would have been remoting it either. So far today I have not heard any more 
complaints, but nevertheless I'm still curious yet baffled. 

All PCs have updated virus and spyware definitions. Does anyone have ideas 
on where to start looking if this problem surfaces again? If it continues we'll 
have the corporate chaplain bring in his exorcist buddy. 

Brian Cline, Applications Developer 
Department of Information Technology 
GP Trucking Company, Inc. 
803.936.8595 Direct Line 
800.922.1147 Toll-Free (x8595) 
803.739.1176 Fax 




RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Possessed PCs

2006-12-01 Thread beads
Happens with my father and watches as well. The man cannot wear a watch 
without it dying within weeks. But thats another story. If you can isolate 
the symptoms to time of day or even the remote chance its a bad ballast 
(flouresent lighting used to cause occasional problems with old CRTs), 
etc. Atleast you can start to wittle things down a bit. But in this case 
it sounds like RF overlap. Perhaps there is one mouse that is emitting too 
strong a signal. 

I was a bit thrown this morning though when I thought I read that this was 
happening with corded devices as well. 



Brent Eads
Employee Technology Solutions, Inc.

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