Re: [address-policy-wg] RIPE != RIPE NCC

2015-06-11 Thread Sander Steffann
Hi Sasha, Another thing that may help is to move away from mailing lists as the sole tool - email is something that only old farts like myself are really comfortable with, not to mention very open to abuse as we've seen. There are more modern collaboration tools available, something like

Re: [address-policy-wg] RIPE != RIPE NCC

2015-06-11 Thread Sascha Luck [ml]
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 02:00:00PM +0200, Sander Steffann wrote: See https://www.ripe.net/participate/ripe/wg/cc/summaries/ripe-70-working-group-chair-meeting-summary item V :) Way ahead of me, I see. Nice one, thanks to the Chairs. rgds, Sascha Luck

[address-policy-wg] RIPE != RIPE NCC

2015-06-10 Thread Jim Reid
On 10 Jun 2015, at 12:38, Storch Matei ma...@profisol.ro wrote: For a start, it's totally impossible to define who is entitled to vote, and how you get a represenative part of the community to actually vote - really? RIPE has no concept of membership and therefore cannot vote. It works by

Re: [address-policy-wg] RIPE != RIPE NCC

2015-06-10 Thread Jim Reid
On 10 Jun 2015, at 13:17, Sascha Luck [ml] a...@c4inet.net wrote: What is missing here is that the RIPE NCC, and its members, are bound by the policies that RIPE comes up with. In reality, this means that 10 people on a mailing list (some of whom may or may not be sockpuppets) decide how

Re: [address-policy-wg] RIPE != RIPE NCC

2015-06-10 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 10/06/2015 14:03, Randy Bush wrote: what is missing here is that, if only LIRs decided policy, a few thousand folk (likely 10 people on a mailing list), would decide policy affecting millions internet users. ~980m. Nick