TSM/HSM

2011-06-21 Thread D'Antonio III, Vincent E (N-Aerotek)
Good Morning, I am adding a new LTO3, 3310 library for use with HSM to replace the current LTO2 library. The question I have is can you add a second library for use by HSM so I can migrate the data off the LTO2's to the new LTO3's? If yes, what are the best practices to do so? Thanks Vince

TSM policy

2011-06-21 Thread ritchi64
hello group, I have to implement TSM server. The client actual policy is keep everything for 2 months and a month copy for a year (standart) and 3 or 5 years fore some spicial request. What will be te best way to do that without using to much tape. TSM server is 6.1.4 and client active data

Re: TSM policy

2011-06-21 Thread Richard Sims
Use the TSM Archive function for exceptional data retention which does not constitute regular backups. Richard Sims

Re: TSM/HSM

2011-06-21 Thread Remco Post
On 21 jun 2011, at 17:04, D'Antonio III, Vincent E (N-Aerotek) wrote: Good Morning, I am adding a new LTO3, 3310 library for use with HSM to replace the current LTO2 library. The question I have is can you add a second library for use by HSM so I can migrate the data off the LTO2's to

Re: TSM policy

2011-06-21 Thread Remco Post
On 21 jun 2011, at 17:45, ritchi64 wrote: hello group, I have to implement TSM server. The client actual policy is keep everything for 2 months and a month copy for a year (standart) and 3 or 5 years fore some spicial request. What will be te best way to do that without using to much

TSM policy

2011-06-21 Thread ritchi64
Humm! What about the policy at your site? Can you share something useful? On 21 jun 2011, at 19:45, remco wrote: if you have to ask these questions for such a large environment, I'd suggest finding a real TSM specialist. Somebody who is not afraid to tell the customer what sensible backup

Re: TSM policy

2011-06-21 Thread Kelly J. Lipp
What Remco is saying that the discussion is much more complicated than the simple strategy they are currently using. If they have so much data on tape now, keeping the same strategy will keep too much data on tape in the future too. So something must change. Keeping a month end copy doesn't

Deduplication and Collocation

2011-06-21 Thread Mark Mooney
Hello, I had a student ask me today What happens if you have collocation turned on for a storage pool that you are deduplicating? I did not know what to answer because in my mind I thought well, if the data is collocated then I need to have a copy of that data on that client's tape, otherwise

Re: Deduplication and Collocation

2011-06-21 Thread Andrew Carlson
Tape pools are not de-duped, so that is not a consideration. On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 13:17, Mark Mooney mmoo...@aisconsulting.net wrote: Hello, I had a student ask me today What happens if you have collocation turned on for a storage pool that you are deduplicating?  I did not know what to

Re: Deduplication and Collocation

2011-06-21 Thread Huebschman, George J.
Doesn't it undup when it goes to tape? Or am I still living in 5.5 and thinking in VTL dedup? -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of Mark Mooney Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 2:17 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: [ADSM-L]

Re: Deduplication and Collocation

2011-06-21 Thread Mark Mooney
So data is deduplicated in a disk storage pool but when it is written to tape the entire reconstructed file is written out? Is this the same for file device classes? -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of Andrew Carlson Sent:

TSM policy

2011-06-21 Thread ritchi64
Ok then, I will add some detail to the case, The client as a 10 years restore service level that said, he can restore everything that was present every night for 2 months. After that, he can restore only the files that were present at the first friday of the month for a year. Two years ago a

Re: Deduplication and Collocation

2011-06-21 Thread Prather, Wanda
Dedup only works in TSM storage pools that reside on disk (specifically devtype=FILE pools). If you have data that goes to a dedup pool, then gets migrated off to tape, it is reduped (rehydrated, reinflated, whatever you want to call it.) So collocation will still be in effect for that pool.

Re: Deduplication and Collocation

2011-06-21 Thread Prather, Wanda
If it is a file device class with dedup turned off, yes. -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of Mark Mooney Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 2:29 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Deduplication and Collocation So data is

Re: Deduplication and Collocation

2011-06-21 Thread Kelly J. Lipp
And that's why storage pool planning is very important. The less re-duping, hydrating, inflating you do the better. Client data to a non-deduped (I guess that would be a duped) pool that migrates to a deduped pool. But backup stgpool before the migration happens to avoid the re. This is where

Re: Deduplication and Collocation

2011-06-21 Thread Mark Mooney
Cool, Thanks :) I have questions about client dedup. Do you know of any redbook detail on that? Thanks, Mooney Prather, Wanda wprat...@icfi.com wrote: Dedup only works in TSM storage pools that reside on disk (specifically devtype=FILE pools). If you have data that goes to a dedup pool,

Re: Deduplication and Collocation

2011-06-21 Thread Prather, Wanda
https://www-304.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?context=SSGSG7lang=allrs=2077wv=1loc=en_UScs=UTF-8uid=swg27018576q1=tste_webcastdc=DA410 -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of Mark Mooney Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 2:53 PM To:

Re: TSM policy

2011-06-21 Thread Remco Post
On 21 jun 2011, at 20:32, ritchi64 wrote: Ok then, I will add some detail to the case, The client as a 10 years restore service level that said, he can restore everything that was present every night for 2 months. After that, he can restore only the files that were present at the first

Re: TSM policy

2011-06-21 Thread Kelly J. Lipp
Makes perfect sense. However, as you've observed, the cost is too high. What is required now is a rationalization of the data. Clearly (at least to those outside the business) not all of the stuff captured in a backup may be required in the future. You mention VMs. Most of what's in a VM

Re: Deduplication and Collocation

2011-06-21 Thread Paul Zarnowski
Even if a FILE devclass has dedup turned on, when the data is migrated, reclaimed, or backed up (backup stgpool) to tape, then the files are reconstructed from their pieces. You cannot dedup on DISK stgpools. DISK implies random access disk - e.g., devclass DISK. FILE implies serial access disk

Re: Deduplication and Collocation

2011-06-21 Thread Mark Mooney
Thank you Wanda! Much Appreciated! -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of Prather, Wanda Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 9:09 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Deduplication and Collocation

TSM policy

2011-06-21 Thread ritchi64
Ok then remco, 1- What do you think about using two TSM instance on the same backup server. One for every day short term retention and an other one for the long term once a month. 2- Somebody suggest only one instance but use the undelete option for long term retention. I think it will get

Re: TSM policy

2011-06-21 Thread Remco Post
On 21 jun 2011, at 21:38, ritchi64 wrote: Ok then remco, 1- What do you think about using two TSM instance on the same backup server. One for every day short term retention and an other one for the long term once a month. 10 days at 1250 euro/day plus expenses and you'll find out ;-)

Re: TSM policy

2011-06-21 Thread Prather, Wanda
What do you think about using two TSM instance on the same backup server. One for every day short term retention and an other one for the long term once a month. I have a customer who does that, because they were bought by a non-US parent company that REQUIREs them to keep a monthly backup