Re: Pricing model for 5.4

2007-02-16 Thread Remco Post
hmmm, and now the scary part... my IBM business partner just phoned me a few days ago to tell me the new licensing-scheme is postponed for TSM. More details as soon as I've spoken to her in person on monday. -- Met vriendelijke groeten, Remco Post SARA - Reken- en Netwerkdiensten

Re: Pricing model for 5.4

2007-02-14 Thread Allen S. Rout
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 08:22:28 +1000, Steven Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I'm not so sure about this. One of our customers took a rather cavalier attitude to TSM licencing, and were using about 3 times as many licences as they'd paid for. IBM via PriceWaterhouseCoopers came in one day

Re: Pricing model for 5.4

2007-02-14 Thread Allen S. Rout
I was a little surprised at Steve's cautious response to my post. Looking over it I think I understand it now, and it makes me want to emphasize that I'm not advocating just ignoring the issue (Don't worry about it too much). Focus on the too much, not the don't worry. :) If you develop a

Re: Pricing model for 5.4

2007-02-14 Thread Kauffman, Tom
] On Behalf Of Allen S. Rout Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 9:19 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Pricing model for 5.4 I was a little surprised at Steve's cautious response to my post. Looking over it I think I understand it now, and it makes me want to emphasize that I'm not advocating

Re: Pricing model for 5.4

2007-02-13 Thread Steven Harris
Allen S. Rout wrote: On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 10:11:03 +1000, Steven Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Again, the product has not been enhanced to automatically collect and maintain this information, providing a significant overhead for administrators and a lack of assurance that licencing is *ever*

Re: Pricing model for 5.4

2007-02-12 Thread Allen S. Rout
On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 10:11:03 +1000, Steven Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Again, the product has not been enhanced to automatically collect and maintain this information, providing a significant overhead for administrators and a lack of assurance that licencing is *ever* correct. Sure IBM

Re: Pricing model for 5.4

2007-02-12 Thread Kelly Lipp
, February 12, 2007 10:14 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Pricing model for 5.4 On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 10:11:03 +1000, Steven Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Again, the product has not been enhanced to automatically collect and maintain this information, providing a significant overhead

Re: Pricing model for 5.4

2007-02-12 Thread Prather, Wanda
Hee hee! Dude, you made me laugh - AGAIN! I like Boo! as the best response to a lot of things.! From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager on behalf of Allen S. Rout Sent: Mon 2/12/2007 12:13 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Pricing model for 5.4 On Wed, 7

Re: Pricing model for 5.4

2007-02-09 Thread Leigh Reed
@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Pricing model for 5.4 Ok, this will be my last. Having never seen what we were paying for licences you can obviously come to the conclusion you have. I can't and won't post that info but I have data to prove it. I can tell you that IBM has been drooling waiting for our

Re: Pricing model for 5.4

2007-02-09 Thread Ochs, Duane
as BladeCenter -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gill, Geoffrey L. Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 2:29 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Pricing model for 5.4 Ok, this will be my last. Having never seen what we were paying for licences

Re: Pricing model for 5.4

2007-02-08 Thread Remco Post
. Systems Administrator SAIC M/S-G1b (858)826-4062 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Longo Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 4:23 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Pricing model for 5.4 I second

Re: Pricing model for 5.4

2007-02-08 Thread Mark Stapleton
From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager on behalf of Kauffman, Tom I second that. In general, my approach is that any product the vendor is too ashamed to post pricing for is a product not worth considering. There is no issue of shame here. Buying software at the enterprise level is not like going to

Re: Pricing model for 5.4

2007-02-08 Thread Kauffman, Tom
of pricing first. Tom Kauffman NIBCO, Inc -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Stapleton Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 10:55 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Pricing model for 5.4 From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager on behalf

Re: Pricing model for 5.4

2007-02-08 Thread Gill, Geoffrey L.
)826-4062 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kauffman, Tom Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 8:53 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Pricing model for 5.4 We all know software of all types is subject to various

Re: Pricing model for 5.4

2007-02-08 Thread Kelly Lipp
, 2007 11:50 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Pricing model for 5.4 Luckily I was at the dentist when the first response came out and I've had time to take a few breaths. I'm on the same page as Tom here. I think we all know how pricing works and that there are discounts involved

Re: Pricing model for 5.4

2007-02-08 Thread Kauffman, Tom
Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly Lipp Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 2:06 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Pricing model for 5.4 OK, I've resisted as long as I could. As you can all imagine, I have numerous conflicting thoughts about

Re: Pricing model for 5.4

2007-02-08 Thread Gill, Geoffrey L.
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Remco Post Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 12:30 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Pricing model for 5.4 Gill, Geoffrey L. wrote: Just one of my pet peves with this product

Re: Pricing model for 5.4

2007-02-07 Thread Remco Post
Steven Harris wrote: If anyone has been able to find the PVU detail could they please post it for those of us who don't have access to Passport Advantage? You reseller should have the info, and provide it to you on request. Since you only need the info when buying new licenses, I see no

Re: Pricing model for 5.4

2007-02-07 Thread Gill, Geoffrey L.
SAIC M/S-G1b (858)826-4062 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Longo Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 4:23 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Pricing model for 5.4 I second the motion, Steve! TSM should

Re: Pricing model for 5.4

2007-02-07 Thread Kauffman, Tom
. Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 2:43 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Pricing model for 5.4 Just one of my pet peves with this product. I just went through this with someone and it looks to me like the changes that were made since the last time have dramatically increased the cost here

Pricing model for 5.4

2007-02-06 Thread Steven Harris
Hi All, I was looking at the TSM 5.4 announcement letter and notice that 5.4 now attracts Processor Value Unit pricing. The (AP) announcement letter points you to the PVU announcement letter AP06-0154, which contains a lot of justification and not much else. It in turn points you to a website

Re: Pricing model for 5.4

2007-02-06 Thread David Longo
I second the motion, Steve! TSM should be able to track/mange the license scheme. Or they should provide an additional tool to do it - without charging you $100K for the tool! David B. Longo System Administrator Health First, Inc. 3300 Fiske Blvd. Rockledge, FL 32955-4305 PH 321.434.5536