Re: Physically shred tape after one use? [ email retention ]
- Allen S. Rout wrote I've got some sentiment on the UF campus that anything which could be retrieved by a data-recovery house should be deemed not deleted. This is making me wince at the thought of turning 3592 volumes into single-use disposables. So how do you-all do it, and how did you decide? W wrote Are you talking about discoverable meaning the legal term discovery, or as in snoopable, meaning somebody gets access to your media because it falls off a truck or they walk out the door with it? I read the question as asking (probably incorrectly) as whether a scratch tape be recovered, or a currently in use tape have it's unused portion recovered. We have had this conversation with our email folks here. I have explained that, YES, the previous data is sitting there past the defined deletion period. YES, it is possible to access it on a very expensive fishing expedition. So far, that has been acceptable. If this changes, I suppose I'll be reading up on TSM and/or 3592 encryption (something I know nothing about). Rick - The information contained in this message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this document in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately, and delete the original message.
Re: TSM Novell client 5.5 upgrade
Tim, We have had major, and I do mean major, problems with our upgrade, but ours involved going to TSM server 5.5.0.0. IBM itself has been unable to determine whether our problems are due to upgrading the server, upgrading the clients, a combination of both, or the phase of the moon when doing the upgrade. I have detailed this problem in recent posts, but will be glad to share more info with you offline. IBM's respose to my multiple PMRs on the upgrade issues has ranged from average to pathetic, so I would strongly urge you to do this on just one NetWare client, and one that you can afford to lose, as you move into the 5.5 world. Kevin Kinder State of West Virginia -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Timothy Hughes Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 10:31 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: [ADSM-L] TSM Novell client 5.5 upgrade Hello All, I am planning to start upgrading our TSM Novell clients next week from 5.3.4 to 5.5.0 and would like to know if anyone has upgraded to the Novell 5.5.0 yet? if so has there been any or problems? two more questions 1) During previous upgrades uninstalling the client was not necessary and there were no issues but someone informed me that I should uninstall the 5.3.4 client. I have not read this on any documents or manuals. Has anyone read this anywhere? 2) The last time we upgraded we had a issue with extracting the files to the right directorie(s) I remember install not finding the files anyone ever experience this before? The configurations are below TSM SERVER 5.3.4 AIX 5.3 Novell Servers are at Netware 6.5 SP6 1 Novell Netware Server is at SP7 Thanks for Any Help, suggestions or comments in Advance!
How to selectively delete export tapes from volhist
I've got an older export tape I want to keep. But I've got several newer ones that are no longer needed, and I'm tight on scratch tapes so I want them back. All the options I can think of on the DELETE VOLHIST command would delete all of them. Is there any other way? (AIX TSM 5.5) Roger Deschner University of Illinois at Chicago [EMAIL PROTECTED] Academic Computing Communications Center
TSM Novell client 5.5 upgrade
Hello All, I am planning to start upgrading our TSM Novell clients next week from 5.3.4 to 5.5.0 and would like to know if anyone has upgraded to the Novell 5.5.0 yet? if so has there been any or problems? two more questions 1) During previous upgrades uninstalling the client was not necessary and there were no issues but someone informed me that I should uninstall the 5.3.4 client. I have not read this on any documents or manuals. Has anyone read this anywhere? 2) The last time we upgraded we had a issue with extracting the files to the right directorie(s) I remember install not finding the files anyone ever experience this before? The configurations are below TSM SERVER 5.3.4 AIX 5.3 Novell Servers are at Netware 6.5 SP6 1 Novell Netware Server is at SP7 Thanks for Any Help, suggestions or comments in Advance!
Re: Physically shred tape after one use? [ email retention ]
On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 07:49:11 -0500, Richard Rhodes [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Are you talking about discoverable meaning the legal term discovery, or as in snoopable, meaning somebody gets access to your media because it falls off a truck or they walk out the door with it? The former. :P We have had this conversation with our email folks here. I have explained that, YES, the previous data is sitting there past the defined deletion period. YES, it is possible to access it on a very expensive fishing expedition. I think the problem here is that many people, coming to this question fresh, try to set policy without understanding what we (backup admins) mean when we say things like This is expensive, vs. This is difficult vs. This is extremely difficult, and what-not. When I talk about special equipment and gobs of staff time (I don't think a stock 3592 will seek beyond logical EOT, will it?) I seem to get feedback that tastes of Oh, so it's possible, right?. Yeah, if you want to pay mumblety-thousand dollars to a recovery unit, you can get your bitstream back off the end of the tape (singular). Put another mumblety-thousand dollars in staff time in, and you can probably pick out email-looking stuff. Is this part of our policy response to discovery? Probably not. But when someone says to me This data must not be recoverable, even through extraordinary measures, I shudder, and prepare to repel boarding by the NSA. - Allen S. Rout - Why bother, they already know.
Re: TSM Novell client 5.5 upgrade
KevinThanks for your response! Were your recent posts on this (ADSM) site? Also, Is there a link were I could take a look at your PMRs? I do have a ID for the IBM site already. I have noticed that there is a Novell Client 5.5.0.1. I will probably be installing that one first on one server then waiting a couple days before installing the client on any more servers to see if there are any issues. I would like to also find out what the fixes are in 5.5.0.1. Tim Kinder, Kevin P wrote: Tim, We have had major, and I do mean major, problems with our upgrade, but ours involved going to TSM server 5.5.0.0. IBM itself has been unable to determine whether our problems are due to upgrading the server, upgrading the clients, a combination of both, or the phase of the moon when doing the upgrade. I have detailed this problem in recent posts, but will be glad to share more info with you offline. IBM's respose to my multiple PMRs on the upgrade issues has ranged from average to pathetic, so I would strongly urge you to do this on just one NetWare client, and one that you can afford to lose, as you move into the 5.5 world. Kevin Kinder State of West Virginia -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Timothy Hughes Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 10:31 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: [ADSM-L] TSM Novell client 5.5 upgrade Hello All, I am planning to start upgrading our TSM Novell clients next week from 5.3.4 to 5.5.0 and would like to know if anyone has upgraded to the Novell 5.5.0 yet? if so has there been any or problems? two more questions 1) During previous upgrades uninstalling the client was not necessary and there were no issues but someone informed me that I should uninstall the 5.3.4 client. I have not read this on any documents or manuals. Has anyone read this anywhere? 2) The last time we upgraded we had a issue with extracting the files to the right directorie(s) I remember install not finding the files anyone ever experience this before? The configurations are below TSM SERVER 5.3.4 AIX 5.3 Novell Servers are at Netware 6.5 SP6 1 Novell Netware Server is at SP7 Thanks for Any Help, suggestions or comments in Advance!
Re: Physically shred tape after one use? [ email retention ]
On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 14:11:47 -0500, Wanda Prather [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: For the onsite stuff, tell the people who want the stuff physically erased that they have to buy you enough SATA disk to store all their email backups, and set up a TSM file pool with Disk Shredding (that's what it's for). You know, that's a fine fine idea. Heck, I could do that both locally and remotely. It's cheaper than buying a chipper. - Allen S. Rout
Re: Physically shred tape after one use? [ email retention ]
On Thu, 7 Feb 2008 17:25:10 -0500, Richard Sims [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Applicable state and federal laws largely determine the disposability of media, as previously explored in threads such as http://www.mail-archive.com/adsm-l@vm.marist.edu/msg74957.html If media is kept in a secured facility, then the issue is moot, as no unauthorized persons will gain access to the media. Under such circumstances there is no issue as to rewriting or data recoverability at any point. My apologies for the imprecision. The exposure threat against which this measure is contemplated is that of legal discovery. It is thought that, once the tape is reclaimed and comes out of pending state, if it is re-used for some host which writes relatively slowly, then data beyond the new end-of-tape marker might be subject to discovery. I am hoping to discourage this interpretation, emphatically. - Allen S. Rout
Re: Physically shred tape after one use? [ email retention ]
Take a look at the FATS/FATAR product from www.fdr.com. It has the capability of reading pass EOF on 3592 tapes. -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allen S. Rout Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 10:25 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Physically shred tape after one use? [ email retention ] On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 07:49:11 -0500, Richard Rhodes [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Are you talking about discoverable meaning the legal term discovery, or as in snoopable, meaning somebody gets access to your media because it falls off a truck or they walk out the door with it? The former. :P We have had this conversation with our email folks here. I have explained that, YES, the previous data is sitting there past the defined deletion period. YES, it is possible to access it on a very expensive fishing expedition. I think the problem here is that many people, coming to this question fresh, try to set policy without understanding what we (backup admins) mean when we say things like This is expensive, vs. This is difficult vs. This is extremely difficult, and what-not. When I talk about special equipment and gobs of staff time (I don't think a stock 3592 will seek beyond logical EOT, will it?) I seem to get feedback that tastes of Oh, so it's possible, right?. Yeah, if you want to pay mumblety-thousand dollars to a recovery unit, you can get your bitstream back off the end of the tape (singular). Put another mumblety-thousand dollars in staff time in, and you can probably pick out email-looking stuff. Is this part of our policy response to discovery? Probably not. But when someone says to me This data must not be recoverable, even through extraordinary measures, I shudder, and prepare to repel boarding by the NSA. - Allen S. Rout - Why bother, they already know.
Re: migrateing .9TB of data
What kind of data is it? If mostly static files, we like to use rdist (robocopy on windows). Run it every so often, then a final run at cutover. You can multiple parallel cmds if need be. If a database you can use a backup/restore with rollinig logs (at least for oracle). We have moved Multi TB Oracle databases this way with only a few min of downtime at cutover. In general, a TSm backup/restore is about the last thing we look at to migrate servers. It's usually too big of an outage. Rick Larry Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] R.COM To Sent by: ADSM: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Dist Stor cc Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject .EDU migrateing .9TB of data 02/07/2008 06:13 PM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] .EDU Currently I am migrating servers for a customer. In all instances but one I am using a combination of mksysb and sysback on uservgs to do this. One node has .9TB of data, however and would take too long using sysback. Someone has suggested using TSM. Can the client node be exported to tape and imported on a TSM server at the target site? - The information contained in this message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this document in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately, and delete the original message.
Re: Physically shred tape after one use? [ email retention ]
Should either 1) solve the problem or 2) make them go away, which will 3) solve the problem! On 2/8/08, Allen S. Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 14:11:47 -0500, Wanda Prather [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: For the onsite stuff, tell the people who want the stuff physically erased that they have to buy you enough SATA disk to store all their email backups, and set up a TSM file pool with Disk Shredding (that's what it's for). You know, that's a fine fine idea. Heck, I could do that both locally and remotely. It's cheaper than buying a chipper. - Allen S. Rout
Re: How to selectively delete export tapes from volhist
Roundabout way: create a second TSM instance, share your library out to the new instance, run EXPORT NODE TOSERVER=new_instance, delete the export volume history entries you want, then run EXPORT NODE TOSERVER=original_instance. -- Mark Stapleton Berbee (a CDW company) System engineer 7145 Boone Avenue North, Suite 140 Brooklyn Park MN 55428-1511 763-592-5963 www.berbee.com -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roger Deschner Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 11:20 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: [ADSM-L] How to selectively delete export tapes from volhist I've got an older export tape I want to keep. But I've got several newer ones that are no longer needed, and I'm tight on scratch tapes so I want them back. All the options I can think of on the DELETE VOLHIST command would delete all of them. Is there any other way? (AIX TSM 5.5) Roger Deschner University of Illinois at Chicago [EMAIL PROTECTED] Academic Computing Communications Center
Re: Physically shred tape after one use? [ email retention ]
Ack. I feel your pain. (Those are the same people who will argue with you that AES256 encryption just isn't secure enough.) But the L word (litigation) trumps everything, as far as I've been able to determine. Isn't there an ERASE command that works on the 359x hardware? You can't access it via TSM, but perhaps you could invoke it from AIX, creating a very tedious task for operators to use when tapes come back from the vault. (But that will only work if you PROMISE not to mention to them that the dead stuff still exists on tapes in between good stuff that hasn't expired, and you can retrieve that if you restore your TSM DB back 3 or 4 months whenever they need it) For the onsite stuff, tell the people who want the stuff physically erased that they have to buy you enough SATA disk to store all their email backups, and set up a TSM file pool with Disk Shredding (that's what it's for). W On 2/8/08, Allen S. Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 07:49:11 -0500, Richard Rhodes [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Are you talking about discoverable meaning the legal term discovery, or as in snoopable, meaning somebody gets access to your media because it falls off a truck or they walk out the door with it? The former. :P We have had this conversation with our email folks here. I have explained that, YES, the previous data is sitting there past the defined deletion period. YES, it is possible to access it on a very expensive fishing expedition. I think the problem here is that many people, coming to this question fresh, try to set policy without understanding what we (backup admins) mean when we say things like This is expensive, vs. This is difficult vs. This is extremely difficult, and what-not. When I talk about special equipment and gobs of staff time (I don't think a stock 3592 will seek beyond logical EOT, will it?) I seem to get feedback that tastes of Oh, so it's possible, right?. Yeah, if you want to pay mumblety-thousand dollars to a recovery unit, you can get your bitstream back off the end of the tape (singular). Put another mumblety-thousand dollars in staff time in, and you can probably pick out email-looking stuff. Is this part of our policy response to discovery? Probably not. But when someone says to me This data must not be recoverable, even through extraordinary measures, I shudder, and prepare to repel boarding by the NSA. - Allen S. Rout - Why bother, they already know.
Re: migrateing .9TB of data
db2 - Original Message - From: Richard Rhodes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 7:21 AM Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] migrateing .9TB of data What kind of data is it? If mostly static files, we like to use rdist (robocopy on windows). Run it every so often, then a final run at cutover. You can multiple parallel cmds if need be. If a database you can use a backup/restore with rollinig logs (at least for oracle). We have moved Multi TB Oracle databases this way with only a few min of downtime at cutover. In general, a TSm backup/restore is about the last thing we look at to migrate servers. It's usually too big of an outage. Rick Larry Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] R.COM To Sent by: ADSM: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Dist Stor cc Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject .EDU migrateing .9TB of data 02/07/2008 06:13 PM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] .EDU Currently I am migrating servers for a customer. In all instances but one I am using a combination of mksysb and sysback on uservgs to do this. One node has .9TB of data, however and would take too long using sysback. Someone has suggested using TSM. Can the client node be exported to tape and imported on a TSM server at the target site? - The information contained in this message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this document in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately, and delete the original message.
