Re: How to define Library
Dear Fred, if you don´t need the TOC, I would go for defining the datamover and paths directly to the library manager, there is virtually no impact on the log and database consumption and thus the startup speed. If you want to do filer-to-server backups with TOC, this will go into the storage hirarchy of the TSM library client, no need for a dedicated library or ressources, enabeling ressource sharing. The last implementations I did were just NDMP as disaster recovery, so just go for the basic goodies such as virtual mappings to break down the chunks and rotate the fulls and differentials and you will be fine with a very simple and manageable setup. File restores with TOC will be via the Filer snapshots, which made our life easier, the customers happier and considerably reduced complexity and the CIFS-backup pain. Kind regards, Markus -- Diese E-Mail enthält vertrauliche und/oder rechtlich geschützte Informationen. Wenn Sie nicht der richtige Adressat sind oder diese E-Mail irrtümlich erhalten haben, informieren Sie bitte sofort den Absender und vernichten Sie diese E-Mail. Das unerlaubte Kopieren sowie die unbefugte Weitergabe dieser Mail oder von Teilen dieser Mail ist nicht gestattet. Wir haben alle verkehrsüblichen Maßnahmen unternommen, um das Risiko der Verbreitung virenbefallener Software oder E-Mails zu minimieren, dennoch raten wir Ihnen, Ihre eigenen Virenkontrollen auf alle Anhänge an dieser Nachricht durchzuführen. Wir schließen außer für den Fall von Vorsatz oder grober Fahrlässigkeit die Haftung für jeglichen Verlust oder Schäden durch virenbefallene Software oder E-Mails aus. Jede von der Bank versendete E-Mail ist sorgfältig erstellt worden, dennoch schließen wir die rechtliche Verbindlichkeit aus; sie kann nicht zu einer irgendwie gearteten Verpflichtung zu Lasten der Bank ausgelegt werden. __ This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorised copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail or of parts hereof is strictly forbidden. We have taken precautions to minimize the risk of transmitting software viruses but nevertheless advise you to carry out your own virus checks on any attachment of this message. We accept no liability for loss or damage caused by software viruses except in case of gross negligence or willful behaviour. Any e-mail messages from the Bank are sent in good faith, but shall not be binding or construed as constituting any kind of obligation on the part of the Bank.
TSM Monitor - a php monitoring and reporting solution
Hello everyone, a few months ago, I started to develop a php software called TSM Monitor to have a tool which helps me with my daily monitoring and reporting tasks. In the meantime, I published it under the GPL as open source software because I think there is no other free application for this purpose. Also, I hope that it will be improved by the community over the time ;) Features are: - customizable queries - dynamically generated navigation menu - overview page with traffic light logic - graphical timetable charts for queries with start and end time (like backups and schedules) - multiple servers - login protection (authentication against default tsm server) - result caching for better performance - Sorting - you can now sort query result tables by column dynamically, ascending and descending - Searching - queries like “show me all backups of node xyz” are now possible with dynamically modified queries through a search field You can see some screenshots and download the software here: http://www.tsm-monitor.org Hope you like it, Michael Clemens
Re: SV: Configuring Multiple Clients in Single Server...
On Feb 26, 2009, at 2:47 AM, Kiran wrote: Thanks for the info. But I want to access client via GUI not command line(dsmc).So how to do this? Read the client manual to become familiar with client system options file (dsm.sys) stanzas and their selection via SErvername, on the command line or the client user options file (dsm.opt). See page 80 of the TSM 5.5 Unix client manual for an example of starting the GUI with that selectivity. The vendor documentation is your friend. Richard Sims
1st Call for Papers for TSM Symposium 2009
Please find below initial information about the TSM Symposium to be hosted by University of Cologne in September 2009. Thanks and best regards, Claus --- TSM Symposium 2009 Tivoli Storage Manager : Experience the Challenges Koeln/Bonn Grandhotel Petersberg, 28-30 September 2009 Call for papers Call for exhibitors Call for sponsorship Background: Following the well-received TSM-Symposia (since 1999) at Oxford University, this year University of Cologne is hosting the sixth TSM Symposium, which will be held in the famous Grandhotel Petersberg not far from Cologne/Bonn. It will have been two years since the last one, and there will be plenty of Tivoli Storage Manager (TSM) related topics to talk about. This is your chance to join us in experiencing the challenges with the new and changed functionality in the recent and upcoming versions and to hear what is expected to come in TSM over the next couple of years. Come along and keep up with the very latest features, gain hints and tips on upgrading your archive and backup services, learn how to exploit the forthcoming new functionality, and acquire additional technical insight into TSM. Take full advantage of the presentations from IBM Development, as well as contributions from other experienced and established TSM users. Best of all, meet and get to know peer professionals. How to make a contribution We are seeking technical contributions in the form of papers and presentations from the TSM user community - the system managers and administrators who are arguably the real TSM experts - and this is an excellent chance to share your knowledge and wisdom! Technical contributions from TSM solution architects and related storage vendors are also sought: this is an opportunity to demonstrate the flexibility and extensibility of TSM. We also offer excellent opportunities for exhibiting at the Symposium. Please send e-mail to tsm2009 (at) uni-koeln.de for more information. Calendar: Now Call for papers Now Call for exhibitors Now Call for sponsorship 16th March Registration open 30th March Paper abstracts due 17th August Final papers due 28th September Symposium begins The technical committee comprises: * Rolf Bogus, University of Heidelberg * Kirsten Gloeer, University of Heidelberg * Peter Jones, Oxford University * Claus Kalle, University of Cologne * Peter Pijpelink, PLCS * Remco Post, PLCS * Ulrich Schilling, University Duisburg/Essen * Ian Smith, Oxford University * Paul Zarnowski, Cornell University The overall planning of the symposium is being co-ordinated by the local team at Cologne University: Claus Kalle and Wido Moersheim with some well appreciated administrative help and support from Martin Schulte. The symposium will be held at the famous Grandhotel Petersberg, with early arrivals' registration opening on the afternoon of Sunday 27 September 2009. The exhibitions will be open and the exhibitors will give their introductory presentations before hosting an evening reception. The symposium presentations will start early on the following morning Monday 28 September 2009, and conclude at lunchtime on Wednesday 30 September 2009. Accommodation for 3 nights is available at Grandhotel Petersberg or in a similar rated nearby Hotel. All meals are included. All arrangements will be handled through our event services partner (please do not contact the university directly) and we can be contacted by email or web form (preferably) and also by phone or fax. The contact and registration pages coming up in the next days give more details. We look forward to meeting you at the Symposium. In meanwhile, please consider whether you can make a contribution to the success of this popular event by presenting a paper yourself? Best Regards, Claus -- Claus Kalle, Universitaet zu Koeln, RRZK i i Leiter Abteilung Systeme I I E-Mail: ka...@uni-koeln.deM M Fon: 0221 478 5580 /I\ Fax: 0221 478 86845 MiMiMiM Snail-Mail: Robert-Koch-Str. 10, 50931 Koeln MIMiMiM
Free TSM education
IBM is amazing in the remarkable wealth of material they produce to document and explain their products. An area you may not yet have explored provides an excellent introduction to newer facilities as well as tutorials in the basics of the product. That area is IBM Education Assistant. Go to the following link http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/ieduasst/tivv1r0/index.jsp?topic=/com.ibm.iea.tsm/tsm/ and click on Tivoli Storage Manager in the left pane, then explore the Flash video, and PDF presentations. These may be particularly helpful to customers who are new to TSM. thanks, IBM Richard Sims
Re: Free TSM education
Great link, thanks a lot! On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 14:59, Richard Sims r...@bu.edu wrote: IBM is amazing in the remarkable wealth of material they produce to document and explain their products. An area you may not yet have explored provides an excellent introduction to newer facilities as well as tutorials in the basics of the product. That area is IBM Education Assistant. Go to the following link http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/ieduasst/tivv1r0/index.jsp?topic=/com.ibm.iea.tsm/tsm/ and click on Tivoli Storage Manager in the left pane, then explore the Flash video, and PDF presentations. These may be particularly helpful to customers who are new to TSM. thanks, IBM Richard Sims
Re: Free TSM education
what about other products such as Blade SAN storage AIX ..etc do they apply this policy for other products Thanks On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Richard Sims r...@bu.edu wrote: IBM is amazing in the remarkable wealth of material they produce to document and explain their products. An area you may not yet have explored provides an excellent introduction to newer facilities as well as tutorials in the basics of the product. That area is IBM Education Assistant. Go to the following link http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/ieduasst/tivv1r0/index.jsp?topic=/com.ibm.iea.tsm/tsm/ and click on Tivoli Storage Manager in the left pane, then explore the Flash video, and PDF presentations. These may be particularly helpful to customers who are new to TSM. thanks, IBM Richard Sims -- THE MASTER
Re: Free TSM education
Thanks Richard! This will be very helpful. Best Regards Tim Richard Sims wrote: IBM is amazing in the remarkable wealth of material they produce to document and explain their products. An area you may not yet have explored provides an excellent introduction to newer facilities as well as tutorials in the basics of the product. That area is IBM Education Assistant. Go to the following link http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/ieduasst/tivv1r0/index.jsp?topic=/com.ibm.iea.tsm/tsm/ and click on Tivoli Storage Manager in the left pane, then explore the Flash video, and PDF presentations. These may be particularly helpful to customers who are new to TSM. thanks, IBM Richard Sims
Re: Preferred TSM Platform
Yup. It boils down to Wanda's statement: I/O, I/O, it's all about I/O --- Wanda Prather If you can do the work with LTO-1 or -2 drives, or DLT-7000, or similar speed/capacity, then Windows will work. When you get into high-speed/high-capacity drives the Intel/AMD architecture comes unglued. A single LTO-4 drive will use ALL the I/O bandwith of a PCI or PCI-x bus, and a significant chunk of a PCIe(1) bus. The challenge becomes one of finding a suitable X86 server with multiple PCIe busses in the design. IBM has the GX series I/O modules with two PCIe busses each for the P6 architecture that allows for significant I/O bandwith expansion -- for a cost, of course. Tom Kauffman NIBCO, Inc -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Kelly Lipp Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 4:14 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Preferred TSM Platform I love it when somebody quotes me! Somebody is listening. I had this discussion with one of our customers yesterday. It really does/should boil down to the OS experience you have on hand. Does the AIX platform have more capacity/performance than the best Windows platform? I'm guessing it probably does. But at what cost? And then more importantly: do either of the platforms have enough for you? If both do, then pick the one that makes more sense based on your OS experience. And remember: one can always divide and conquer. Kelly Lipp CTO STORServer, Inc. 485-B Elkton Drive Colorado Springs, CO 80907 719-266-8777 x7105 www.storserver.com -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Allen S. Rout Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 1:52 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Preferred TSM Platform On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:57:37 +0100, Henrik Vahlstedt s...@statoilhydro.com said: Time to quote Kelly... So to me it's either AIX or Windows (yes, you can do a lot of TSM on Windows once you get past the bigotry!). Choose whichever one you have the most experience with. gollum Ac! It BURNS usss, naty windowsss /gollum - Allen S. Rout - Prefers AIX for this. *koff* :) CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the exclusive and confidential use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, distribute or take action in reliance upon this message. If you have received this in error, please notify us immediately by return email and promptly delete this message and its attachments from your computer system. We do not waive attorney-client or work product privilege by the transmission of this message.
Re: TSM Monitor - a php monitoring and reporting solution
Q: so basically this can go on any unix host ? On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Michael Clemens mi...@tsm-monitor.org wrote: Hello everyone, a few months ago, I started to develop a php software called TSM Monitor to have a tool which helps me with my daily monitoring and reporting tasks. In the meantime, I published it under the GPL as open source software because I think there is no other free application for this purpose. Also, I hope that it will be improved by the community over the time ;) Features are: - customizable queries - dynamically generated navigation menu - overview page with traffic light logic - graphical timetable charts for queries with start and end time (like backups and schedules) - multiple servers - login protection (authentication against default tsm server) - result caching for better performance - Sorting - you can now sort query result tables by column dynamically, ascending and descending - Searching - queries like “show me all backups of node xyz” are now possible with dynamically modified queries through a search field You can see some screenshots and download the software here: http://www.tsm-monitor.org Hope you like it, Michael Clemens -- Fran Lebowitz - You're only has good as your last haircut.
Re: TSM Monitor - a php monitoring and reporting solution
Yes, I testet it on Ubuntu 8.04 Server and Win XP with XAMPP. You just need PHP5 and Apache 2.x Michael On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 15:52, goc goo...@gmail.com wrote: Q: so basically this can go on any unix host ? On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Michael Clemens mi...@tsm-monitor.org wrote: Hello everyone, a few months ago, I started to develop a php software called TSM Monitor to have a tool which helps me with my daily monitoring and reporting tasks. In the meantime, I published it under the GPL as open source software because I think there is no other free application for this purpose. Also, I hope that it will be improved by the community over the time ;) Features are: - customizable queries - dynamically generated navigation menu - overview page with traffic light logic - graphical timetable charts for queries with start and end time (like backups and schedules) - multiple servers - login protection (authentication against default tsm server) - result caching for better performance - Sorting - you can now sort query result tables by column dynamically, ascending and descending - Searching - queries like “show me all backups of node xyz” are now possible with dynamically modified queries through a search field You can see some screenshots and download the software here: http://www.tsm-monitor.org Hope you like it, Michael Clemens -- Fran Lebowitz - You're only has good as your last haircut.
Re: Free TSM education
On Feb 26, 2009, at 9:18 AM, madunix wrote: what about other products such as Blade SAN storage AIX ..etc do they apply this policy for other products What you see in the IEA site is what there is available there. For other subject areas you can often find good alternate information. One historically excellent source is the Redbooks: If you navigate to http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/ and search on blade, for example, you'll find a lot of solid info, well explained. Richard Sims still at Boston University
Re: Preferred TSM Platform
We're actually considering a new platform for future TSM servers simply because we're not an AIX shop anymore (TSM being the lone holdout). We're not a very good windows shop either, and our strength is really in Solaris and/or Linux, technically speaking. When I compare the hardware and LVM features for Solaris with those of Linux, I can see the benefits of Solaris. But this listserv group has me second-guessing myself since I have yet to hear from someone with a Solaris-based TSM infrastructure. (I would stick with AIX if I could, but you know... politics). Solaris 10 and the built-in features of ZFS alone have kind of swayed me towards Solaris. It's the only native LVM-based filesystem that I think can compete with what I'm used to, namely JFS2. As for hardware, Sun offers some pretty hefty I/O-centric boxes, with a hefty pricetag. But the pricey p650 that we're on now has lasted almost 7 years, is still very stable and not breaking much of a sweat. Still, the range of servers that Sun offers (which I don't see in the Dell world) is another advantage. Any thoughts from anyone running a TSM server on Solaris? We could use the insight since I believe we'll be rolling out a development environment on Solaris as a proof-of-concept. Anyone familiar with DB2 performance on Solaris? Thanks! SF Jim Zajkowski wrote: On Feb 25, 2009, at 10:09 AM, Strand, Neil B. wrote: consider Solaris Actually I'm considering replacing my Linux TSM server with Solaris - either SPARC or x86 - predominately because Solaris has a fast TCP/IP stack, ZFS, and fewer driver issues than on Linux. Has anyone also moved from Linux to Solaris? --Jim
Re: Preferred TSM Platform
We're primarily a Solaris based TSM shop, our backup server platforms are T2000's and T5220's currently which seem to be very good at handling the I/O of the newer T1A B drives along with the speeds of LTO's and what not. Most of our servers are loaded up with dual port 4Gb Emulex cards usually eight total HBA ports per server. Network wise we use the onboard 4 Gb ports and usually a dual port Gb card and Etherchannel/trunking to give us a large pipe for backup traffic. Speed wise the machines are great for an enterprise solution, price wise I think they're fantastic as well. The only issues we seem to run in to is IBM Solaris pointing fingers at each other when there are complicated bugs encountered that can be resolved via simple queries to get to the root of the problem. We're primarily using SAN based storage SUN/EMC arrays along with EDL's, disk suite management is usually done with Veritas for us though mpxio is always an option. For any disk we use in TSM we typically use raw volumes and not formatted file systems. I think the preferred platform is still AIX as TSM just seems to perform better on it with less of these odd bugs we see from time to time. The new Sun servers though are a great buy performance wise and really do handle these newer tape drive speeds well. Most of these new servers we're using we can't even get the CPU usage to go above 40% yet with 400-500 clients on them. -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Sergio Fuentes Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 10:58 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Preferred TSM Platform We're actually considering a new platform for future TSM servers simply because we're not an AIX shop anymore (TSM being the lone holdout). We're not a very good windows shop either, and our strength is really in Solaris and/or Linux, technically speaking. When I compare the hardware and LVM features for Solaris with those of Linux, I can see the benefits of Solaris. But this listserv group has me second-guessing myself since I have yet to hear from someone with a Solaris-based TSM infrastructure. (I would stick with AIX if I could, but you know... politics). Solaris 10 and the built-in features of ZFS alone have kind of swayed me towards Solaris. It's the only native LVM-based filesystem that I think can compete with what I'm used to, namely JFS2. As for hardware, Sun offers some pretty hefty I/O-centric boxes, with a hefty pricetag. But the pricey p650 that we're on now has lasted almost 7 years, is still very stable and not breaking much of a sweat. Still, the range of servers that Sun offers (which I don't see in the Dell world) is another advantage. Any thoughts from anyone running a TSM server on Solaris? We could use the insight since I believe we'll be rolling out a development environment on Solaris as a proof-of-concept. Anyone familiar with DB2 performance on Solaris? Thanks! SF Jim Zajkowski wrote: On Feb 25, 2009, at 10:09 AM, Strand, Neil B. wrote: consider Solaris Actually I'm considering replacing my Linux TSM server with Solaris - either SPARC or x86 - predominately because Solaris has a fast TCP/IP stack, ZFS, and fewer driver issues than on Linux. Has anyone also moved from Linux to Solaris? --Jim
Re: Preferred TSM Platform
I have to disagree with that. We routinely run multiple (up to six, and the only reason it's only six is we don't have any more to test so perhaps more will run) LTO4 drives as fast as they want to run using and IBM x3850 processor. We run four at a time using an x3650. The buses are PCI-E, drives are either SAS or FC. Would that box run six or eight of the IBM fancy pants drives? I don't know, haven't ever seen it tried. For most sites, Windows and the crummy little hardware it runs on will be just fine. For you big fellas, not so much. If you are in the gotta push 3-6TB/day Windows will work. For you 10TB/day folks, maybe not. Kelly Lipp CTO STORServer, Inc. 485-B Elkton Drive Colorado Springs, CO 80907 719-266-8777 x7105 www.storserver.com -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Kauffman, Tom Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 7:39 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Preferred TSM Platform Yup. It boils down to Wanda's statement: I/O, I/O, it's all about I/O --- Wanda Prather If you can do the work with LTO-1 or -2 drives, or DLT-7000, or similar speed/capacity, then Windows will work. When you get into high-speed/high-capacity drives the Intel/AMD architecture comes unglued. A single LTO-4 drive will use ALL the I/O bandwith of a PCI or PCI-x bus, and a significant chunk of a PCIe(1) bus. The challenge becomes one of finding a suitable X86 server with multiple PCIe busses in the design. IBM has the GX series I/O modules with two PCIe busses each for the P6 architecture that allows for significant I/O bandwith expansion -- for a cost, of course. Tom Kauffman NIBCO, Inc -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Kelly Lipp Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 4:14 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Preferred TSM Platform I love it when somebody quotes me! Somebody is listening. I had this discussion with one of our customers yesterday. It really does/should boil down to the OS experience you have on hand. Does the AIX platform have more capacity/performance than the best Windows platform? I'm guessing it probably does. But at what cost? And then more importantly: do either of the platforms have enough for you? If both do, then pick the one that makes more sense based on your OS experience. And remember: one can always divide and conquer. Kelly Lipp CTO STORServer, Inc. 485-B Elkton Drive Colorado Springs, CO 80907 719-266-8777 x7105 www.storserver.com -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Allen S. Rout Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 1:52 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Preferred TSM Platform On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:57:37 +0100, Henrik Vahlstedt s...@statoilhydro.com said: Time to quote Kelly... So to me it's either AIX or Windows (yes, you can do a lot of TSM on Windows once you get past the bigotry!). Choose whichever one you have the most experience with. gollum Ac! It BURNS usss, naty windowsss /gollum - Allen S. Rout - Prefers AIX for this. *koff* :) CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the exclusive and confidential use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, distribute or take action in reliance upon this message. If you have received this in error, please notify us immediately by return email and promptly delete this message and its attachments from your computer system. We do not waive attorney-client or work product privilege by the transmission of this message.
Re: Preferred TSM Platform
Those high end Windows boxes are priced similarly to equivalent (or better) AIX boxes. Check the benchmarks before deciding. Orville L. Lantto From: Kauffman, Tom Sent: Thu 2/26/2009 08:38 To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Preferred TSM Platform Yup. It boils down to Wanda's statement: I/O, I/O, it's all about I/O --- Wanda Prather If you can do the work with LTO-1 or -2 drives, or DLT-7000, or similar speed/capacity, then Windows will work. When you get into high-speed/high-capacity drives the Intel/AMD architecture comes unglued. A single LTO-4 drive will use ALL the I/O bandwith of a PCI or PCI-x bus, and a significant chunk of a PCIe(1) bus. The challenge becomes one of finding a suitable X86 server with multiple PCIe busses in the design. IBM has the GX series I/O modules with two PCIe busses each for the P6 architecture that allows for significant I/O bandwith expansion -- for a cost, of course. Tom Kauffman NIBCO, Inc -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Kelly Lipp Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 4:14 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Preferred TSM Platform I love it when somebody quotes me! Somebody is listening. I had this discussion with one of our customers yesterday. It really does/should boil down to the OS experience you have on hand. Does the AIX platform have more capacity/performance than the best Windows platform? I'm guessing it probably does. But at what cost? And then more importantly: do either of the platforms have enough for you? If both do, then pick the one that makes more sense based on your OS experience. And remember: one can always divide and conquer. Kelly Lipp CTO STORServer, Inc. 485-B Elkton Drive Colorado Springs, CO 80907 719-266-8777 x7105 www.storserver.com -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Allen S. Rout Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 1:52 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Preferred TSM Platform On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:57:37 +0100, Henrik Vahlstedt s...@statoilhydro.com said: Time to quote Kelly... So to me it's either AIX or Windows (yes, you can do a lot of TSM on Windows once you get past the bigotry!). Choose whichever one you have the most experience with. gollum Ac! It BURNS usss, naty windowsss /gollum - Allen S. Rout - Prefers AIX for this. *koff* :) CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the exclusive and confidential use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, distribute or take action in reliance upon this message. If you have received this in error, please notify us immediately by return email and promptly delete this message and its attachments from your computer system. We do not waive attorney-client or work product privilege by the transmission of this message. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: Preferred TSM Platform
Sure, but if you don't have any AIX expertise and have to buy/rent that, the cost goes up significantly. I'm no huge fan of Windows, but almost everybody has some of that expertise while AIX expertise is not available in most shops. Kelly Lipp CTO STORServer, Inc. 485-B Elkton Drive Colorado Springs, CO 80907 719-266-8777 x7105 www.storserver.com -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Orville Lantto Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 9:15 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Preferred TSM Platform Those high end Windows boxes are priced similarly to equivalent (or better) AIX boxes. Check the benchmarks before deciding. Orville L. Lantto From: Kauffman, Tom Sent: Thu 2/26/2009 08:38 To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Preferred TSM Platform Yup. It boils down to Wanda's statement: I/O, I/O, it's all about I/O --- Wanda Prather If you can do the work with LTO-1 or -2 drives, or DLT-7000, or similar speed/capacity, then Windows will work. When you get into high-speed/high-capacity drives the Intel/AMD architecture comes unglued. A single LTO-4 drive will use ALL the I/O bandwith of a PCI or PCI-x bus, and a significant chunk of a PCIe(1) bus. The challenge becomes one of finding a suitable X86 server with multiple PCIe busses in the design. IBM has the GX series I/O modules with two PCIe busses each for the P6 architecture that allows for significant I/O bandwith expansion -- for a cost, of course. Tom Kauffman NIBCO, Inc -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Kelly Lipp Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 4:14 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Preferred TSM Platform I love it when somebody quotes me! Somebody is listening. I had this discussion with one of our customers yesterday. It really does/should boil down to the OS experience you have on hand. Does the AIX platform have more capacity/performance than the best Windows platform? I'm guessing it probably does. But at what cost? And then more importantly: do either of the platforms have enough for you? If both do, then pick the one that makes more sense based on your OS experience. And remember: one can always divide and conquer. Kelly Lipp CTO STORServer, Inc. 485-B Elkton Drive Colorado Springs, CO 80907 719-266-8777 x7105 www.storserver.com -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Allen S. Rout Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 1:52 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Preferred TSM Platform On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:57:37 +0100, Henrik Vahlstedt s...@statoilhydro.com said: Time to quote Kelly... So to me it's either AIX or Windows (yes, you can do a lot of TSM on Windows once you get past the bigotry!). Choose whichever one you have the most experience with. gollum Ac! It BURNS usss, naty windowsss /gollum - Allen S. Rout - Prefers AIX for this. *koff* :) CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the exclusive and confidential use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, distribute or take action in reliance upon this message. If you have received this in error, please notify us immediately by return email and promptly delete this message and its attachments from your computer system. We do not waive attorney-client or work product privilege by the transmission of this message. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: Preferred TSM Platform
We have had a couple of customers over the years running TSM on Solaris. I must echo Mike's comments. As Solaris would optimistically finish third in IBMs race for resources there will necessarily be fewer resources both on the development and support side. If/when there are problems they will be solved more slowly than on the Windows or AIX. I guess I would enter the TSM on Solaris world with caution. That said, I have found that if you are a very good Solaris person, the issues are much easier to solve as you can often walk the IBM resource through the problem. But it will take more of your time if there is a problem. The most prevalent issues we have seen are integrating with libraries and drives as you would expect. Perhaps if you stay with IBM tape products these problems would be less? Who knows. Kelly Lipp CTO STORServer, Inc. 485-B Elkton Drive Colorado Springs, CO 80907 719-266-8777 x7105 www.storserver.com -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of De Gasperis, Mike Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 9:09 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Preferred TSM Platform We're primarily a Solaris based TSM shop, our backup server platforms are T2000's and T5220's currently which seem to be very good at handling the I/O of the newer T1A B drives along with the speeds of LTO's and what not. Most of our servers are loaded up with dual port 4Gb Emulex cards usually eight total HBA ports per server. Network wise we use the onboard 4 Gb ports and usually a dual port Gb card and Etherchannel/trunking to give us a large pipe for backup traffic. Speed wise the machines are great for an enterprise solution, price wise I think they're fantastic as well. The only issues we seem to run in to is IBM Solaris pointing fingers at each other when there are complicated bugs encountered that can be resolved via simple queries to get to the root of the problem. We're primarily using SAN based storage SUN/EMC arrays along with EDL's, disk suite management is usually done with Veritas for us though mpxio is always an option. For any disk we use in TSM we typically use raw volumes and not formatted file systems. I think the preferred platform is still AIX as TSM just seems to perform better on it with less of these odd bugs we see from time to time. The new Sun servers though are a great buy performance wise and really do handle these newer tape drive speeds well. Most of these new servers we're using we can't even get the CPU usage to go above 40% yet with 400-500 clients on them. -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Sergio Fuentes Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 10:58 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Preferred TSM Platform We're actually considering a new platform for future TSM servers simply because we're not an AIX shop anymore (TSM being the lone holdout). We're not a very good windows shop either, and our strength is really in Solaris and/or Linux, technically speaking. When I compare the hardware and LVM features for Solaris with those of Linux, I can see the benefits of Solaris. But this listserv group has me second-guessing myself since I have yet to hear from someone with a Solaris-based TSM infrastructure. (I would stick with AIX if I could, but you know... politics). Solaris 10 and the built-in features of ZFS alone have kind of swayed me towards Solaris. It's the only native LVM-based filesystem that I think can compete with what I'm used to, namely JFS2. As for hardware, Sun offers some pretty hefty I/O-centric boxes, with a hefty pricetag. But the pricey p650 that we're on now has lasted almost 7 years, is still very stable and not breaking much of a sweat. Still, the range of servers that Sun offers (which I don't see in the Dell world) is another advantage. Any thoughts from anyone running a TSM server on Solaris? We could use the insight since I believe we'll be rolling out a development environment on Solaris as a proof-of-concept. Anyone familiar with DB2 performance on Solaris? Thanks! SF Jim Zajkowski wrote: On Feb 25, 2009, at 10:09 AM, Strand, Neil B. wrote: consider Solaris Actually I'm considering replacing my Linux TSM server with Solaris - either SPARC or x86 - predominately because Solaris has a fast TCP/IP stack, ZFS, and fewer driver issues than on Linux. Has anyone also moved from Linux to Solaris? --Jim
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DB2 performs well on all platforms. You just have to size memory and disk layout the correct way. Aside from the Red books two good sources are: Configuring and tuning Databases on the Solaris Platform by Allan N Packer (a little dated but still good concepts) Understanding DB2 Learning Visually with Examples. 2nd Edition Raul F. Chong, Xiaomel Wang, Michael Dang and Dwaine R. Snow On Feb 26, 2009, at 10:57 AM, Sergio Fuentes wrote: We're actually considering a new platform for future TSM servers simply because we're not an AIX shop anymore (TSM being the lone holdout). We're not a very good windows shop either, and our strength is really in Solaris and/ or Linux, technically speaking. When I compare the hardware and LVM features for Solaris with those of Linux, I can see the benefits of Solaris. But this listserv group has me second-guessing myself since I have yet to hear from someone with a Solaris-based TSM infrastructure. (I would stick with AIX if I could, but you know... politics). Solaris 10 and the built-in features of ZFS alone have kind of swayed me towards Solaris. It's the only native LVM-based filesystem that I think can compete with what I'm used to, namely JFS2. As for hardware, Sun offers some pretty hefty I/O-centric boxes, with a hefty pricetag. But the pricey p650 that we're on now has lasted almost 7 years, is still very stable and not breaking much of a sweat. Still, the range of servers that Sun offers (which I don't see in the Dell world) is another advantage. Any thoughts from anyone running a TSM server on Solaris? We could use the insight since I believe we'll be rolling out a development environment on Solaris as a proof-of-concept. Anyone familiar with DB2 performance on Solaris? Thanks! SF Jim Zajkowski wrote: On Feb 25, 2009, at 10:09 AM, Strand, Neil B. wrote: consider Solaris Actually I'm considering replacing my Linux TSM server with Solaris - either SPARC or x86 - predominately because Solaris has a fast TCP/IP stack, ZFS, and fewer driver issues than on Linux. Has anyone also moved from Linux to Solaris? --Jim
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I'll admit to not having a good grasp of the PCI-E architecture, but I'll stand by my statement that you'll need PCI-E to get maximal performance out of LTO-4. I'm fairly certain you'll need to go LAN-free to hit the maximum as well - I know that's my current bottleneck. As a side note - does anyone know what the maximum drive data compression is on LTO-4? I'm getting about 4.1 to 1 on SAP/R3-Oracle, with some tapes hitting 3.5 to 3.7 TB before becoming full. I am glad to hear the X86 architecture scales this well - thanks, Kelly. Tom Kauffman NIBCO, Inc -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Kelly Lipp Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 11:12 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Preferred TSM Platform I have to disagree with that. We routinely run multiple (up to six, and the only reason it's only six is we don't have any more to test so perhaps more will run) LTO4 drives as fast as they want to run using and IBM x3850 processor. We run four at a time using an x3650. The buses are PCI-E, drives are either SAS or FC. Would that box run six or eight of the IBM fancy pants drives? I don't know, haven't ever seen it tried. For most sites, Windows and the crummy little hardware it runs on will be just fine. For you big fellas, not so much. If you are in the gotta push 3-6TB/day Windows will work. For you 10TB/day folks, maybe not. Kelly Lipp CTO STORServer, Inc. 485-B Elkton Drive Colorado Springs, CO 80907 719-266-8777 x7105 www.storserver.com -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Kauffman, Tom Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 7:39 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Preferred TSM Platform Yup. It boils down to Wanda's statement: I/O, I/O, it's all about I/O --- Wanda Prather If you can do the work with LTO-1 or -2 drives, or DLT-7000, or similar speed/capacity, then Windows will work. When you get into high-speed/high-capacity drives the Intel/AMD architecture comes unglued. A single LTO-4 drive will use ALL the I/O bandwith of a PCI or PCI-x bus, and a significant chunk of a PCIe(1) bus. The challenge becomes one of finding a suitable X86 server with multiple PCIe busses in the design. IBM has the GX series I/O modules with two PCIe busses each for the P6 architecture that allows for significant I/O bandwith expansion -- for a cost, of course. Tom Kauffman NIBCO, Inc -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Kelly Lipp Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 4:14 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Preferred TSM Platform I love it when somebody quotes me! Somebody is listening. I had this discussion with one of our customers yesterday. It really does/should boil down to the OS experience you have on hand. Does the AIX platform have more capacity/performance than the best Windows platform? I'm guessing it probably does. But at what cost? And then more importantly: do either of the platforms have enough for you? If both do, then pick the one that makes more sense based on your OS experience. And remember: one can always divide and conquer. Kelly Lipp CTO STORServer, Inc. 485-B Elkton Drive Colorado Springs, CO 80907 719-266-8777 x7105 www.storserver.com -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Allen S. Rout Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 1:52 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Preferred TSM Platform On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:57:37 +0100, Henrik Vahlstedt s...@statoilhydro.com said: Time to quote Kelly... So to me it's either AIX or Windows (yes, you can do a lot of TSM on Windows once you get past the bigotry!). Choose whichever one you have the most experience with. gollum Ac! It BURNS usss, naty windowsss /gollum - Allen S. Rout - Prefers AIX for this. *koff* :) CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the exclusive and confidential use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, distribute or take action in reliance upon this message. If you have received this in error, please notify us immediately by return email and promptly delete this message and its attachments from your computer system. We do not waive attorney-client or work product privilege by the transmission of this message. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the exclusive and confidential use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, distribute or take action in reliance upon this message. If you have received this in error, please notify us immediately by return email and promptly delete this message and its attachments from your computer system. We do not waive attorney-client or work product privilege by the transmission of this message.
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I haven't checked AIX prices lately, but my last Dell 2900 with 8-1TB drives (for the LZ) and 2-500GB mirrored drives (OS and DB) with 8GB RAM cost under $11K. As I mentioned, the RH Linux license is around $50. I think it has 2-PCIe slots for the HBA's and 2-GIGe NICS. Orville Lantto orville.lan...@glasshouse.com Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU 02/26/2009 11:17 AM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU To ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU cc Subject Re: [ADSM-L] Preferred TSM Platform Those high end Windows boxes are priced similarly to equivalent (or better) AIX boxes. Check the benchmarks before deciding. Orville L. Lantto From: Kauffman, Tom Sent: Thu 2/26/2009 08:38 To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Preferred TSM Platform Yup. It boils down to Wanda's statement: I/O, I/O, it's all about I/O --- Wanda Prather If you can do the work with LTO-1 or -2 drives, or DLT-7000, or similar speed/capacity, then Windows will work. When you get into high-speed/high-capacity drives the Intel/AMD architecture comes unglued. A single LTO-4 drive will use ALL the I/O bandwith of a PCI or PCI-x bus, and a significant chunk of a PCIe(1) bus. The challenge becomes one of finding a suitable X86 server with multiple PCIe busses in the design. IBM has the GX series I/O modules with two PCIe busses each for the P6 architecture that allows for significant I/O bandwith expansion -- for a cost, of course. Tom Kauffman NIBCO, Inc -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Kelly Lipp Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 4:14 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Preferred TSM Platform I love it when somebody quotes me! Somebody is listening. I had this discussion with one of our customers yesterday. It really does/should boil down to the OS experience you have on hand. Does the AIX platform have more capacity/performance than the best Windows platform? I'm guessing it probably does. But at what cost? And then more importantly: do either of the platforms have enough for you? If both do, then pick the one that makes more sense based on your OS experience. And remember: one can always divide and conquer. Kelly Lipp CTO STORServer, Inc. 485-B Elkton Drive Colorado Springs, CO 80907 719-266-8777 x7105 www.storserver.com -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Allen S. Rout Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 1:52 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Preferred TSM Platform On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:57:37 +0100, Henrik Vahlstedt s...@statoilhydro.com said: Time to quote Kelly... So to me it's either AIX or Windows (yes, you can do a lot of TSM on Windows once you get past the bigotry!). Choose whichever one you have the most experience with. gollum Ac! It BURNS usss, naty windowsss /gollum - Allen S. Rout - Prefers AIX for this. *koff* :) CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the exclusive and confidential use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, distribute or take action in reliance upon this message. If you have received this in error, please notify us immediately by return email and promptly delete this message and its attachments from your computer system. We do not waive attorney-client or work product privilege by the transmission of this message. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
SAP/R3 on Tru64
While working on a proposal to move SAP back to TSM I discovered nothing in our environment for SAP has changed the past 4 years. So the question is what client and TDP version is available for this platform? I'm guessing the 5.1.8 version is the best client we can do there, at least that is all I could find. Is there an R/3 TDP for Tru64 that is supported? I am also wondering if there has been any changes in the way things are configured on the server side. Geoff Gill TSM Administrator PeopleSoft Sr. Systems Administrator SAIC M/S-G1b (858)826-4062 (office) (858)412-9883 (blackberry) Email: geoffrey.l.g...@saic.com
SV: Free TSM education
Hi Rich, I spoke to the world wide enablement team at IBM, and they are now focus on to do more and more online classes. You will se probably much more technical classes and sales classes online in the next year or two. Don't know if you have for ex see the TSM Exchange 2003 Single Mailbox Restore Video that they did for 2-3 years ago. More of does will come up. Best Regards Christian Svensson Cell: +46-70-325 1577 E-mail: christian.svens...@cristie.se Skype: cristie.christian.svensson Från: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [ads...@vm.marist.edu] f#246;r Richard Sims [...@bu.edu] Skickat: den 26 februari 2009 14:59 Till: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Ämne: Free TSM education IBM is amazing in the remarkable wealth of material they produce to document and explain their products. An area you may not yet have explored provides an excellent introduction to newer facilities as well as tutorials in the basics of the product. That area is IBM Education Assistant. Go to the following link http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/ieduasst/tivv1r0/index.jsp?topic=/com.ibm.iea.tsm/tsm/ and click on Tivoli Storage Manager in the left pane, then explore the Flash video, and PDF presentations. These may be particularly helpful to customers who are new to TSM. thanks, IBM Richard Sims
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This level of performance is pretty near the bottom of the pSeries range, but a comparable would be a pSeries 520 which could be had for this a similar price. I just checked and a basic 520 is list priced below $12,000. Orville Lantto | Consultant -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Zoltan Forray/AC/VCU Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 11:17 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Preferred TSM Platform I haven't checked AIX prices lately, but my last Dell 2900 with 8-1TB drives (for the LZ) and 2-500GB mirrored drives (OS and DB) with 8GB RAM cost under $11K. As I mentioned, the RH Linux license is around $50. I think it has 2-PCIe slots for the HBA's and 2-GIGe NICS. Orville Lantto orville.lan...@glasshouse.com Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU 02/26/2009 11:17 AM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU To ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU cc Subject Re: [ADSM-L] Preferred TSM Platform Those high end Windows boxes are priced similarly to equivalent (or better) AIX boxes. Check the benchmarks before deciding. Orville L. Lantto From: Kauffman, Tom Sent: Thu 2/26/2009 08:38 To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Preferred TSM Platform Yup. It boils down to Wanda's statement: I/O, I/O, it's all about I/O --- Wanda Prather If you can do the work with LTO-1 or -2 drives, or DLT-7000, or similar speed/capacity, then Windows will work. When you get into high-speed/high-capacity drives the Intel/AMD architecture comes unglued. A single LTO-4 drive will use ALL the I/O bandwith of a PCI or PCI-x bus, and a significant chunk of a PCIe(1) bus. The challenge becomes one of finding a suitable X86 server with multiple PCIe busses in the design. IBM has the GX series I/O modules with two PCIe busses each for the P6 architecture that allows for significant I/O bandwith expansion -- for a cost, of course. Tom Kauffman NIBCO, Inc -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Kelly Lipp Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 4:14 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Preferred TSM Platform I love it when somebody quotes me! Somebody is listening. I had this discussion with one of our customers yesterday. It really does/should boil down to the OS experience you have on hand. Does the AIX platform have more capacity/performance than the best Windows platform? I'm guessing it probably does. But at what cost? And then more importantly: do either of the platforms have enough for you? If both do, then pick the one that makes more sense based on your OS experience. And remember: one can always divide and conquer. Kelly Lipp CTO STORServer, Inc. 485-B Elkton Drive Colorado Springs, CO 80907 719-266-8777 x7105 www.storserver.com -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Allen S. Rout Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 1:52 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Preferred TSM Platform On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:57:37 +0100, Henrik Vahlstedt s...@statoilhydro.com said: Time to quote Kelly... So to me it's either AIX or Windows (yes, you can do a lot of TSM on Windows once you get past the bigotry!). Choose whichever one you have the most experience with. gollum Ac! It BURNS usss, naty windowsss /gollum - Allen S. Rout - Prefers AIX for this. *koff* :) CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the exclusive and confidential use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, distribute or take action in reliance upon this message. If you have received this in error, please notify us immediately by return email and promptly delete this message and its attachments from your computer system. We do not waive attorney-client or work product privilege by the transmission of this message. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: Preferred TSM Platform
IBM x3850, dual quad core processors, 16GB, 7 PCI-E slots with four 2.5 15K SAS 73GB drives (have to use external storage on this guy), around $14K. Can have up to four quad core procs, 256GB memory. This is one screaming dude when used with TSM. And it's IBM... Kelly Lipp CTO STORServer, Inc. 485-B Elkton Drive Colorado Springs, CO 80907 719-266-8777 x7105 www.storserver.com -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Orville Lantto Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 11:19 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Preferred TSM Platform This level of performance is pretty near the bottom of the pSeries range, but a comparable would be a pSeries 520 which could be had for this a similar price. I just checked and a basic 520 is list priced below $12,000. Orville Lantto | Consultant -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Zoltan Forray/AC/VCU Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 11:17 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Preferred TSM Platform I haven't checked AIX prices lately, but my last Dell 2900 with 8-1TB drives (for the LZ) and 2-500GB mirrored drives (OS and DB) with 8GB RAM cost under $11K. As I mentioned, the RH Linux license is around $50. I think it has 2-PCIe slots for the HBA's and 2-GIGe NICS. Orville Lantto orville.lan...@glasshouse.com Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU 02/26/2009 11:17 AM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU To ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU cc Subject Re: [ADSM-L] Preferred TSM Platform Those high end Windows boxes are priced similarly to equivalent (or better) AIX boxes. Check the benchmarks before deciding. Orville L. Lantto From: Kauffman, Tom Sent: Thu 2/26/2009 08:38 To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Preferred TSM Platform Yup. It boils down to Wanda's statement: I/O, I/O, it's all about I/O --- Wanda Prather If you can do the work with LTO-1 or -2 drives, or DLT-7000, or similar speed/capacity, then Windows will work. When you get into high-speed/high-capacity drives the Intel/AMD architecture comes unglued. A single LTO-4 drive will use ALL the I/O bandwith of a PCI or PCI-x bus, and a significant chunk of a PCIe(1) bus. The challenge becomes one of finding a suitable X86 server with multiple PCIe busses in the design. IBM has the GX series I/O modules with two PCIe busses each for the P6 architecture that allows for significant I/O bandwith expansion -- for a cost, of course. Tom Kauffman NIBCO, Inc -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Kelly Lipp Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 4:14 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Preferred TSM Platform I love it when somebody quotes me! Somebody is listening. I had this discussion with one of our customers yesterday. It really does/should boil down to the OS experience you have on hand. Does the AIX platform have more capacity/performance than the best Windows platform? I'm guessing it probably does. But at what cost? And then more importantly: do either of the platforms have enough for you? If both do, then pick the one that makes more sense based on your OS experience. And remember: one can always divide and conquer. Kelly Lipp CTO STORServer, Inc. 485-B Elkton Drive Colorado Springs, CO 80907 719-266-8777 x7105 www.storserver.com -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Allen S. Rout Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 1:52 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Preferred TSM Platform On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:57:37 +0100, Henrik Vahlstedt s...@statoilhydro.com said: Time to quote Kelly... So to me it's either AIX or Windows (yes, you can do a lot of TSM on Windows once you get past the bigotry!). Choose whichever one you have the most experience with. gollum Ac! It BURNS usss, naty windowsss /gollum - Allen S. Rout - Prefers AIX for this. *koff* :) CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the exclusive and confidential use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, distribute or take action in reliance upon this message. If you have received this in error, please notify us immediately by return email and promptly delete this message and its attachments from your computer system. We do not waive attorney-client or work product privilege by the transmission of this message. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate,
How do you keep track of DB Backup
Hi, I got a generic question for you all. How do you keep in track of your Database Backup Tape Volumes? I know you can see in Volhist the label of the volume, but how do you keep in track to get it back from the vault? Do you have a script or do you call it back one day in advance? Please, I'm really interested of your feedback and how you deal with it? Best Regards Christian Svensson Cell: +46-70-325 1577 E-mail: christian.svens...@cristie.se Skype: cristie.christian.svensson
Re: Preferred TSM Platform
On Feb 26, 2009, at 1:26 PM, Kelly Lipp wrote: IBM x3850, dual quad core processors, 16GB, 7 PCI-E slots with four 2.5 15K SAS 73GB drives (have to use external storage on this guy), around $14K. Can have up to four quad core procs, 256GB memory. This is one screaming dude when used with TSM. And it's IBM... Well...it has an IBM label on it, but I don't know who actually makes the xSeries boxes. We've had a number of them dead on arrival, and some others which had failures not long after arrival. And with several of them we endured multi-month debugging marathons with IBM service, where they would mysteriously crash or fail to boot, having to incrementally replace just about everything inside the case to resolve it. By contrast, RS/6000s have long been solid, reliable performers. I guess it proves the old adage that you get what you pay for. Richard Sims
Re: How do you keep track of DB Backup
If you eject the tapes with either TSM DRM or Autovault (and I think TSM Manager as well), they do all the tracking/vaulting for you. With DRM, you set DRMDBBACKUPEXPIREDAYS to xx, the number of days you want to retain the DB backup before it expires. Then DRM expires the DB backup after xx days, and puts it in VAULRETRIEVE status. So at any given time if you look at the list of tapes in VAULTRETRIEVE status, it will actually include any expired DB backups as well as any reclaimed/empty offsite copy pool tapes. All automatic. W On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Christian Svensson christian.svens...@cristie.se wrote: Hi, I got a generic question for you all. How do you keep in track of your Database Backup Tape Volumes? I know you can see in Volhist the label of the volume, but how do you keep in track to get it back from the vault? Do you have a script or do you call it back one day in advance? Please, I'm really interested of your feedback and how you deal with it? Best Regards Christian Svensson Cell: +46-70-325 1577 E-mail: christian.svens...@cristie.se Skype: cristie.christian.svensson
Re: How do you keep track of DB Backup
On Feb 26, 2009, at 19:51 , Christian Svensson wrote: Hi, I got a generic question for you all. How do you keep in track of your Database Backup Tape Volumes? I know you can see in Volhist the label of the volume, but how do you keep in track to get it back from the vault? Do you have a script or do you call it back one day in advance? we sell (shameless plug) TSM MediaManager, because we identified this problem. Basically, MediaManager wraps all TSM interaction in a GUI, maintains the vault inventory and does everything needed to allow the courier, just any operator, your secretary or anyone else you trust with your data to check the tapes in and out Please, I'm really interested of your feedback and how you deal with it? If you're interested, you know how to find us, I'm non-grate on the list after this shameless plug, so we'll have this off list if you want more details ;-) Best Regards Christian Svensson Cell: +46-70-325 1577 E-mail: christian.svens...@cristie.se Skype: cristie.christian.svensson -- Met vriendelijke groeten, Remco Post r.p...@plcs.nl +31 6 248 21 622
Re: Preferred TSM Platform
Hey Tom. I don't know that there's a max for the drive compression algorithm; it's a function of the data. I routinely see 2.1-2.2:1 on basic mixtures of fileservers, print servers, winders stuff. Oracle is almost always higher, I expect 3-3.5:1. I've seen DB2 compress at 6:1. On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Kauffman, Tom kauffm...@nibco.com wrote: I'll admit to not having a good grasp of the PCI-E architecture, but I'll stand by my statement that you'll need PCI-E to get maximal performance out of LTO-4. I'm fairly certain you'll need to go LAN-free to hit the maximum as well - I know that's my current bottleneck. As a side note - does anyone know what the maximum drive data compression is on LTO-4? I'm getting about 4.1 to 1 on SAP/R3-Oracle, with some tapes hitting 3.5 to 3.7 TB before becoming full. I am glad to hear the X86 architecture scales this well - thanks, Kelly. Tom Kauffman NIBCO, Inc -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Kelly Lipp Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 11:12 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Preferred TSM Platform I have to disagree with that. We routinely run multiple (up to six, and the only reason it's only six is we don't have any more to test so perhaps more will run) LTO4 drives as fast as they want to run using and IBM x3850 processor. We run four at a time using an x3650. The buses are PCI-E, drives are either SAS or FC. Would that box run six or eight of the IBM fancy pants drives? I don't know, haven't ever seen it tried. For most sites, Windows and the crummy little hardware it runs on will be just fine. For you big fellas, not so much. If you are in the gotta push 3-6TB/day Windows will work. For you 10TB/day folks, maybe not. Kelly Lipp CTO STORServer, Inc. 485-B Elkton Drive Colorado Springs, CO 80907 719-266-8777 x7105 www.storserver.com -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Kauffman, Tom Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 7:39 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Preferred TSM Platform Yup. It boils down to Wanda's statement: I/O, I/O, it's all about I/O --- Wanda Prather If you can do the work with LTO-1 or -2 drives, or DLT-7000, or similar speed/capacity, then Windows will work. When you get into high-speed/high-capacity drives the Intel/AMD architecture comes unglued. A single LTO-4 drive will use ALL the I/O bandwith of a PCI or PCI-x bus, and a significant chunk of a PCIe(1) bus. The challenge becomes one of finding a suitable X86 server with multiple PCIe busses in the design. IBM has the GX series I/O modules with two PCIe busses each for the P6 architecture that allows for significant I/O bandwith expansion -- for a cost, of course. Tom Kauffman NIBCO, Inc -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Kelly Lipp Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 4:14 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Preferred TSM Platform I love it when somebody quotes me! Somebody is listening. I had this discussion with one of our customers yesterday. It really does/should boil down to the OS experience you have on hand. Does the AIX platform have more capacity/performance than the best Windows platform? I'm guessing it probably does. But at what cost? And then more importantly: do either of the platforms have enough for you? If both do, then pick the one that makes more sense based on your OS experience. And remember: one can always divide and conquer. Kelly Lipp CTO STORServer, Inc. 485-B Elkton Drive Colorado Springs, CO 80907 719-266-8777 x7105 www.storserver.com -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Allen S. Rout Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 1:52 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Preferred TSM Platform On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:57:37 +0100, Henrik Vahlstedt s...@statoilhydro.com said: Time to quote Kelly... So to me it's either AIX or Windows (yes, you can do a lot of TSM on Windows once you get past the bigotry!). Choose whichever one you have the most experience with. gollum Ac! It BURNS usss, naty windowsss /gollum - Allen S. Rout - Prefers AIX for this. *koff* :) CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the exclusive and confidential use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, distribute or take action in reliance upon this message. If you have received this in error, please notify us immediately by return email and promptly delete this message and its attachments from your computer system. We do not waive attorney-client or work product privilege by the transmission of this message. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the
Re: How do you keep track of DB Backup
We started with TSM back in the ADSM 2.1 days, when the D/R module was extra-cost and a bit pricey. We came up with an in-house script to copy the volume history and the device config file to a floppy daily - and we strapped the floppy to the database backup with a heavy-duty rubber band. We still do this, although we no longer write anything to the floppy - it's just a 'tag' for the support-team member that hauls the tapes between our computer room and our off-site storage facility. We run three floppy colors - Red, Orange, and Yellow - with seven in each set, labeled 'Sunday' through 'Saturday'. We send tapes off-site daily, with the day's database backup tape. But we only bring the database backups back on Fridays, just to simplify the process. This week, for example, is the 'Orange' week. So we've been sending over database backups with Orange floppies attached. Last week was the 'Red' week. Tomorrow, the Orange 'Friday' tape goes off-site - and all the 'Red' tapes come back to be checked back into the library. All of the database backup tapes are kept together off-site in a dedicated file drawer, separate from TSM-managed data tapes. It's simple, effective, and doesn't require looking at bits of paper at disaster recovery time. Tom Kauffman NIBCO, Inc. -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Christian Svensson Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 1:51 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: How do you keep track of DB Backup Hi, I got a generic question for you all. How do you keep in track of your Database Backup Tape Volumes? I know you can see in Volhist the label of the volume, but how do you keep in track to get it back from the vault? Do you have a script or do you call it back one day in advance? Please, I'm really interested of your feedback and how you deal with it? Best Regards Christian Svensson Cell: +46-70-325 1577 E-mail: christian.svens...@cristie.se Skype: cristie.christian.svensson CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the exclusive and confidential use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, distribute or take action in reliance upon this message. If you have received this in error, please notify us immediately by return email and promptly delete this message and its attachments from your computer system. We do not waive attorney-client or work product privilege by the transmission of this message.
Re: Preferred TSM Platform
One of these days, I'll be bored enough to try backing up /dev/zero and see how many petabytes I can get on the tape - and if I can get the throughput up to the 370 MB/sec that the LTO-4 claims to support (going from memory here - I know it's well over 300 MB/sec). I see about the same as you on the MS stuff, with the exception of TDP for Mail and Exchange - that seems to be around 1.5 to 1, with most tapes going 'full' around 1.2 TB. Tom Kauffman NIBCO, Inc -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Wanda Prather Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 2:28 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Preferred TSM Platform Hey Tom. I don't know that there's a max for the drive compression algorithm; it's a function of the data. I routinely see 2.1-2.2:1 on basic mixtures of fileservers, print servers, winders stuff. Oracle is almost always higher, I expect 3-3.5:1. I've seen DB2 compress at 6:1. On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Kauffman, Tom kauffm...@nibco.com wrote: I'll admit to not having a good grasp of the PCI-E architecture, but I'll stand by my statement that you'll need PCI-E to get maximal performance out of LTO-4. I'm fairly certain you'll need to go LAN-free to hit the maximum as well - I know that's my current bottleneck. As a side note - does anyone know what the maximum drive data compression is on LTO-4? I'm getting about 4.1 to 1 on SAP/R3-Oracle, with some tapes hitting 3.5 to 3.7 TB before becoming full. I am glad to hear the X86 architecture scales this well - thanks, Kelly. Tom Kauffman NIBCO, Inc -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Kelly Lipp Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 11:12 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Preferred TSM Platform I have to disagree with that. We routinely run multiple (up to six, and the only reason it's only six is we don't have any more to test so perhaps more will run) LTO4 drives as fast as they want to run using and IBM x3850 processor. We run four at a time using an x3650. The buses are PCI-E, drives are either SAS or FC. Would that box run six or eight of the IBM fancy pants drives? I don't know, haven't ever seen it tried. For most sites, Windows and the crummy little hardware it runs on will be just fine. For you big fellas, not so much. If you are in the gotta push 3-6TB/day Windows will work. For you 10TB/day folks, maybe not. Kelly Lipp CTO STORServer, Inc. 485-B Elkton Drive Colorado Springs, CO 80907 719-266-8777 x7105 www.storserver.com -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Kauffman, Tom Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 7:39 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Preferred TSM Platform Yup. It boils down to Wanda's statement: I/O, I/O, it's all about I/O --- Wanda Prather If you can do the work with LTO-1 or -2 drives, or DLT-7000, or similar speed/capacity, then Windows will work. When you get into high-speed/high-capacity drives the Intel/AMD architecture comes unglued. A single LTO-4 drive will use ALL the I/O bandwith of a PCI or PCI-x bus, and a significant chunk of a PCIe(1) bus. The challenge becomes one of finding a suitable X86 server with multiple PCIe busses in the design. IBM has the GX series I/O modules with two PCIe busses each for the P6 architecture that allows for significant I/O bandwith expansion -- for a cost, of course. Tom Kauffman NIBCO, Inc -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Kelly Lipp Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 4:14 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Preferred TSM Platform I love it when somebody quotes me! Somebody is listening. I had this discussion with one of our customers yesterday. It really does/should boil down to the OS experience you have on hand. Does the AIX platform have more capacity/performance than the best Windows platform? I'm guessing it probably does. But at what cost? And then more importantly: do either of the platforms have enough for you? If both do, then pick the one that makes more sense based on your OS experience. And remember: one can always divide and conquer. Kelly Lipp CTO STORServer, Inc. 485-B Elkton Drive Colorado Springs, CO 80907 719-266-8777 x7105 www.storserver.com -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Allen S. Rout Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 1:52 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Preferred TSM Platform On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:57:37 +0100, Henrik Vahlstedt s...@statoilhydro.com said: Time to quote Kelly... So to me it's either AIX or Windows (yes, you can do a lot of TSM on Windows once you get past the bigotry!). Choose whichever one you have the most experience with. gollum Ac!
Re: Preferred TSM Platform
and the cost for AIX.. Orville Lantto orville.lan...@glasshouse.com Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU 02/26/2009 01:21 PM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU To ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU cc Subject Re: [ADSM-L] Preferred TSM Platform This level of performance is pretty near the bottom of the pSeries range, but a comparable would be a pSeries 520 which could be had for this a similar price. I just checked and a basic 520 is list priced below $12,000. Orville Lantto | Consultant -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Zoltan Forray/AC/VCU Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 11:17 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Preferred TSM Platform I haven't checked AIX prices lately, but my last Dell 2900 with 8-1TB drives (for the LZ) and 2-500GB mirrored drives (OS and DB) with 8GB RAM cost under $11K. As I mentioned, the RH Linux license is around $50. I think it has 2-PCIe slots for the HBA's and 2-GIGe NICS. Orville Lantto orville.lan...@glasshouse.com Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU 02/26/2009 11:17 AM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU To ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU cc Subject Re: [ADSM-L] Preferred TSM Platform Those high end Windows boxes are priced similarly to equivalent (or better) AIX boxes. Check the benchmarks before deciding. Orville L. Lantto From: Kauffman, Tom Sent: Thu 2/26/2009 08:38 To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Preferred TSM Platform Yup. It boils down to Wanda's statement: I/O, I/O, it's all about I/O --- Wanda Prather If you can do the work with LTO-1 or -2 drives, or DLT-7000, or similar speed/capacity, then Windows will work. When you get into high-speed/high-capacity drives the Intel/AMD architecture comes unglued. A single LTO-4 drive will use ALL the I/O bandwith of a PCI or PCI-x bus, and a significant chunk of a PCIe(1) bus. The challenge becomes one of finding a suitable X86 server with multiple PCIe busses in the design. IBM has the GX series I/O modules with two PCIe busses each for the P6 architecture that allows for significant I/O bandwith expansion -- for a cost, of course. Tom Kauffman NIBCO, Inc -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Kelly Lipp Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 4:14 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Preferred TSM Platform I love it when somebody quotes me! Somebody is listening. I had this discussion with one of our customers yesterday. It really does/should boil down to the OS experience you have on hand. Does the AIX platform have more capacity/performance than the best Windows platform? I'm guessing it probably does. But at what cost? And then more importantly: do either of the platforms have enough for you? If both do, then pick the one that makes more sense based on your OS experience. And remember: one can always divide and conquer. Kelly Lipp CTO STORServer, Inc. 485-B Elkton Drive Colorado Springs, CO 80907 719-266-8777 x7105 www.storserver.com -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Allen S. Rout Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 1:52 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Preferred TSM Platform On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:57:37 +0100, Henrik Vahlstedt s...@statoilhydro.com said: Time to quote Kelly... So to me it's either AIX or Windows (yes, you can do a lot of TSM on Windows once you get past the bigotry!). Choose whichever one you have the most experience with. gollum Ac! It BURNS usss, naty windowsss /gollum - Allen S. Rout - Prefers AIX for this. *koff* :) CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the exclusive and confidential use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, distribute or take action in reliance upon this message. If you have received this in error, please notify us immediately by return email and promptly delete this message and its attachments from your computer system. We do not waive attorney-client or work product privilege by the transmission of this message. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information
Re: How do you keep track of DB Backup
we sell (shameless plug) Good luck with your product; Dan Kim would love to have your banner ad on adsm.org. You're no longer allowed to complain about getting emails from my sales guy. ;-} -- Mr. Lindsay Morris Principal www.tsmworks.com 919-403-8260 lind...@tsmworks.com On Feb 26, 2009, at Feb 26, 2:08 PM, Remco Post wrote: On Feb 26, 2009, at 19:51 , Christian Svensson wrote: Hi, I got a generic question for you all. How do you keep in track of your Database Backup Tape Volumes? I know you can see in Volhist the label of the volume, but how do you keep in track to get it back from the vault? Do you have a script or do you call it back one day in advance? we sell (shameless plug) TSM MediaManager, because we identified this problem. Basically, MediaManager wraps all TSM interaction in a GUI, maintains the vault inventory and does everything needed to allow the courier, just any operator, your secretary or anyone else you trust with your data to check the tapes in and out Please, I'm really interested of your feedback and how you deal with it? If you're interested, you know how to find us, I'm non-grate on the list after this shameless plug, so we'll have this off list if you want more details ;-) Best Regards Christian Svensson Cell: +46-70-325 1577 E-mail: christian.svens...@cristie.se Skype: cristie.christian.svensson -- Met vriendelijke groeten, Remco Post r.p...@plcs.nl +31 6 248 21 622
Re: How do you keep track of DB Backup
On Feb 26, 2009, at 20:43 , Lindsay Morris wrote: we sell (shameless plug) Good luck with your product; Dan Kim would love to have your banner ad on adsm.org. You're no longer allowed to complain about getting emails from my sales guy. ;-} ok, you got me :) rofl -- Mr. Lindsay Morris Principal www.tsmworks.com 919-403-8260 lind...@tsmworks.com On Feb 26, 2009, at Feb 26, 2:08 PM, Remco Post wrote: On Feb 26, 2009, at 19:51 , Christian Svensson wrote: Hi, I got a generic question for you all. How do you keep in track of your Database Backup Tape Volumes? I know you can see in Volhist the label of the volume, but how do you keep in track to get it back from the vault? Do you have a script or do you call it back one day in advance? we sell (shameless plug) TSM MediaManager, because we identified this problem. Basically, MediaManager wraps all TSM interaction in a GUI, maintains the vault inventory and does everything needed to allow the courier, just any operator, your secretary or anyone else you trust with your data to check the tapes in and out Please, I'm really interested of your feedback and how you deal with it? If you're interested, you know how to find us, I'm non-grate on the list after this shameless plug, so we'll have this off list if you want more details ;-) Best Regards Christian Svensson Cell: +46-70-325 1577 E-mail: christian.svens...@cristie.se Skype: cristie.christian.svensson -- Met vriendelijke groeten, Remco Post r.p...@plcs.nl +31 6 248 21 622 -- Met vriendelijke groeten, Remco Post r.p...@plcs.nl +31 6 248 21 622
Re: Changing Storage Pool Status
Hello Everyone, My question is if I have a Pool that is collocated, and I change it to Collocation by group what happens to the data already in the pool. Thank you James Lepre Senior Server Specialist Solix Inc 100 South Jefferson Road Whippany NJ 07981 Phone 1-973-581-5362 Cell 1-973-223-1921 --- Confidentiality Notice: The information in this e-mail and any attachments thereto is intended for the named recipient(s) only. This e-mail, including any attachments, may contain information that is privileged and confidential and subject to legal restrictions and penalties regarding its unauthorized disclosure or other use. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or the taking of any action or inaction in reliance on the contents of this e-mail and any of its attachments is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender via return e-mail; delete this e-mail and all attachments from your e-mail system and your computer system and network; and destroy any paper copies you may have in your possession. Thank you for your cooperation.
Re: How do you keep track of DB Backup
On Feb 26, 2009, at 1:51 PM, Christian Svensson wrote: I got a generic question for you all. How do you keep in track of your Database Backup Tape Volumes? I know you can see in Volhist the label of the volume, but how do you keep in track to get it back from the vault? We stopped making tape backups of our database but instead have two machines colocated some distance away, and we rsync the db backups (made to FILE) to them. We use the DRM module to weed the files, since it will correctly delete the older backups that aren't necessary, but will keep fulls around until all the incrementals are gone. --Jim
Re: Changing Storage Pool Status
On Feb 26, 2009, at 21:06 , Lepre, James wrote: Hello Everyone, My question is if I have a Pool that is collocated, and I change it to Collocation by group what happens to the data already in the pool. nothing. That is, data already in the pool will not move unless it's subjected to data movement operations (move nodedata, move data, reclaim, migrate). New data will be stored according to your policy. Thank you James Lepre Senior Server Specialist Solix Inc 100 South Jefferson Road Whippany NJ 07981 Phone 1-973-581-5362 Cell 1-973-223-1921 --- Confidentiality Notice: The information in this e-mail and any attachments thereto is intended for the named recipient(s) only. This e-mail, including any attachments, may contain information that is privileged and confidential and subject to legal restrictions and penalties regarding its unauthorized disclosure or other use. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or the taking of any action or inaction in reliance on the contents of this e-mail and any of its attachments is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you have received this e- mail in error, please immediately notify the sender via return e- mail; delete this e-mail and all attachments from your e-mail system and your computer system and network; and destroy any paper copies you may have in your possession. Thank you for your cooperation. -- Met vriendelijke groeten, Remco Post r.p...@plcs.nl +31 6 248 21 622
Re: Changing Storage Pool Status
Nothing until reclamation happens on the volumes. Then they will be reclaimed appropriate to the collocation type selected. You can force the issue by doing move data operations on the volumes. Newly arriving data from clients will be placed onto tape according to the collocation type. Kelly Lipp CTO STORServer, Inc. 485-B Elkton Drive Colorado Springs, CO 80907 719-266-8777 x7105 www.storserver.com -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Lepre, James Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 1:06 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Changing Storage Pool Status Hello Everyone, My question is if I have a Pool that is collocated, and I change it to Collocation by group what happens to the data already in the pool. Thank you James Lepre Senior Server Specialist Solix Inc 100 South Jefferson Road Whippany NJ 07981 Phone 1-973-581-5362 Cell 1-973-223-1921 --- Confidentiality Notice: The information in this e-mail and any attachments thereto is intended for the named recipient(s) only. This e-mail, including any attachments, may contain information that is privileged and confidential and subject to legal restrictions and penalties regarding its unauthorized disclosure or other use. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or the taking of any action or inaction in reliance on the contents of this e-mail and any of its attachments is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender via return e-mail; delete this e-mail and all attachments from your e-mail system and your computer system and network; and destroy any paper copies you may have in your possession. Thank you for your cooperation.
Re: Preferred TSM Platform
On Feb 26, 2009, at 21:04 , Zoltan Forray/AC/VCU wrote: and the cost for AIX.. I'm not saying that's a good idea, but TSM is supported on Linux for pSeries. OTOH Usually AIX is not a major cost factor and Windows is not exactly free either I prefer AIX, I've seen a p630 on 2CPU do 10 TB/24h not easily, but it didn't break either. Now, I'm not convinced that any other OS could survive the load -- Met vriendelijke groeten, Remco Post r.p...@plcs.nl +31 6 248 21 622
Re: How do you keep track of DB Backup
Hi, I have a batch script that emails me twice a day of db tapes names : doing something very basic such as querying the volh, redirect it to text file and send me the file. windows server Norman Christian Svensson christian.svens...@cristie.se Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU 26/02/2009 19:52 Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU To ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU cc Subject [ADSM-L] How do you keep track of DB Backup Hi, I got a generic question for you all. How do you keep in track of your Database Backup Tape Volumes? I know you can see in Volhist the label of the volume, but how do you keep in track to get it back from the vault? Do you have a script or do you call it back one day in advance? Please, I'm really interested of your feedback and how you deal with it? Best Regards Christian Svensson Cell: +46-70-325 1577 E-mail: christian.svens...@cristie.se Skype: cristie.christian.svensson
Re: Preferred TSM Platform
AIX was included in the $12,000. AIX costs a bit more than Linux, $300 list, but you get what you pay for. You can run Linux on Power hardware, if you prefer it. Orville Lantto | Consultant GlassHouse Technologies, Inc. T: +1 952 738 1933 orville.lan...@glasshouse.com | www.glasshouse.com Infrastructure :: Optimized -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Zoltan Forray/AC/VCU Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 2:04 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Preferred TSM Platform and the cost for AIX.. Orville Lantto orville.lan...@glasshouse.com Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU 02/26/2009 01:21 PM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU To ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU cc Subject Re: [ADSM-L] Preferred TSM Platform This level of performance is pretty near the bottom of the pSeries range, but a comparable would be a pSeries 520 which could be had for this a similar price. I just checked and a basic 520 is list priced below $12,000. Orville Lantto | Consultant -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Zoltan Forray/AC/VCU Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 11:17 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Preferred TSM Platform I haven't checked AIX prices lately, but my last Dell 2900 with 8-1TB drives (for the LZ) and 2-500GB mirrored drives (OS and DB) with 8GB RAM cost under $11K. As I mentioned, the RH Linux license is around $50. I think it has 2-PCIe slots for the HBA's and 2-GIGe NICS. Orville Lantto orville.lan...@glasshouse.com Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU 02/26/2009 11:17 AM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU To ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU cc Subject Re: [ADSM-L] Preferred TSM Platform Those high end Windows boxes are priced similarly to equivalent (or better) AIX boxes. Check the benchmarks before deciding. Orville L. Lantto From: Kauffman, Tom Sent: Thu 2/26/2009 08:38 To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Preferred TSM Platform Yup. It boils down to Wanda's statement: I/O, I/O, it's all about I/O --- Wanda Prather If you can do the work with LTO-1 or -2 drives, or DLT-7000, or similar speed/capacity, then Windows will work. When you get into high-speed/high-capacity drives the Intel/AMD architecture comes unglued. A single LTO-4 drive will use ALL the I/O bandwith of a PCI or PCI-x bus, and a significant chunk of a PCIe(1) bus. The challenge becomes one of finding a suitable X86 server with multiple PCIe busses in the design. IBM has the GX series I/O modules with two PCIe busses each for the P6 architecture that allows for significant I/O bandwith expansion -- for a cost, of course. Tom Kauffman NIBCO, Inc -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Kelly Lipp Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 4:14 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Preferred TSM Platform I love it when somebody quotes me! Somebody is listening. I had this discussion with one of our customers yesterday. It really does/should boil down to the OS experience you have on hand. Does the AIX platform have more capacity/performance than the best Windows platform? I'm guessing it probably does. But at what cost? And then more importantly: do either of the platforms have enough for you? If both do, then pick the one that makes more sense based on your OS experience. And remember: one can always divide and conquer. Kelly Lipp CTO STORServer, Inc. 485-B Elkton Drive Colorado Springs, CO 80907 719-266-8777 x7105 www.storserver.com -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Allen S. Rout Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 1:52 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Preferred TSM Platform On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:57:37 +0100, Henrik Vahlstedt s...@statoilhydro.com said: Time to quote Kelly... So to me it's either AIX or Windows (yes, you can do a lot of TSM on Windows once you get past the bigotry!). Choose whichever one you have the most experience with. gollum Ac! It BURNS usss, naty windowsss /gollum - Allen S. Rout - Prefers AIX for this. *koff* :) CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the exclusive and confidential use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, distribute or take action in reliance upon this message. If you have received this in error, please notify us immediately by return email and promptly delete this message and its attachments from your computer system. We do not waive attorney-client or work product privilege by the transmission of this message. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or
Re: Alternatives to TSM
At one of the shops I was in, TSM maintenance cost expectation was set by competitive takeout pricing. When maintenance renewal time came around, and we fell out of the original pricing lock, the price difference was a shock. In fairness though, I also needed to renew maintenance on Symantec Netbackup not too long ago. The only way I could get a discount off list, was to get a general corporate software discount through Dell. (About 4% IIRC.) Back in 2008, the consensus was that 2009 would be a down year. With net-new and expansion sales being so far down, I'm not surprised everyone is trying to get every renewal dollar they can. Even people who jump ship and move from one product to another are generating new revenue. What a time to bring something like TSM 6.x to market! When will the price go up to offset all the new features? [RC] -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Conway, Timothy Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 10:31 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: [ADSM-L] Alternatives to TSM IBM just doubled our maintenance, so we're getting rid of TSM wholesale and rearchitecting all pending IBM purchases for other platforms. I had made and won the case for keeping it as our solution despite the expense, at the level we were at through 2007, but there's no discussion for this change. I can't show an instantaneous doubling of the value derived. An economic downturn is not the time to try to double your margin on an existing product and customer base. Any suggestions? 73, Tim Conway Unix sysadmin, TSM admin Swift Company 9705067998 timothy.con...@jbssa.com DISCLAIMER: This message is intended for the sole use of the addressee, and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the addressee you are hereby notified that you may not use, copy, disclose, or distribute to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received this message in error, please immediately advise the sender by reply email and delete this message.
Sap r/3
Does anyone know of a SAP R/3 solution for tru64 to TSM? It looks like IBM has dropped it. Thanks, Geoff
Re: How to define Library2
OK, everybody's at the latest AIX and TSM 5.5.2. The shared library manager, NT, now handles CAPEKLIB1 for N1-N6 and has no clients of its own. So NAS clients have to talk to a different library, right? No. And Mr. SAN, two desks down, says all physical connections should be LANFree (and Liverpool just scored against Real Madrid on tape, so I've got distractions). Um. Not necessarily. I think maybe you are reading old stuff about TSM NDMP support. You have 2 choices for NDMP, Lan-free or TCP;/IP. You need to read carefully to understand the differences. Obviously, Lan-free keeps the traffic off your LAN. But there are consequences. You get special NDMP tapes this way, and you can't copy them- you have to vault your primary tapes if you want them to go offsite - are you prepared for that? If you do your NDMP backup via the LAN, the data goes into the regular TSM pool hierarchy, and you can create copy pools with the data. And do individual file restores by creating the TOC. You need to figure out what your requirements are first, then figure out the architcture. I'm no NDMP expert, but I think you need to ask more questions from people here who have NDMP expertise before you go further... 773-702-8464 -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Wanda Prather Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 11:15 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] How to define Library2 Please give your TSM server version platform when posting, you'll get better results. I can only assume that NT here is a Windows box and you are running at least TSm 5.4. You also don't say whether you intend to backup the NAS via Lan-Free or TCP/IP; they are quite different I don't understand why you are creating a new logical library in the TS3500 for this instead of using the existing one; but since you are doing it this way, SOME TSM server has to own library CAPEKLIB2. It's not clear from your post whether you want NT to own it also, or N6 (which presumably is also a client of CAPEKLIB1, which is allowed). But I'm assuming you want it to belong to N6, non-shared: a) use the library web interface to create a control point on a drive in logical library CAPEKLIB2. b) zone the library drives so they are jvisible on the SAN to N6 c) In Windows Device Manager, right click and select scan for new hardware. d) In the TSM Management Console Device Driver window, you should now have a new lbx.x.x.y and new drives mtx.x.x.y. Then you can do your DEFINE LIBRARY. W On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 11:47 PM, Fred Johanson f...@uchicago.edu wrote: For years we've lived happily in the situation of TSM instance (and machine) NT whose only function is to serve as library manager for our 6 production (N1-N6) and test (N7) TSM. NT controls a TS3500 named CAPEK which has a logical library (1-01) known to N1-N6 as CAPEKLIB1. So far, everything works finem no questions. Now we're setting up TSM for NAS. Our first NAS client will live on N6. We have defined on CAPEK a new virtual library (1-02) with the appropriate drives and label range. We think of this as CAPEKLIB2, an entity distinct from the active shared Library Manager defined on N1-N6 as CAPEKLIB1. So now I sit at the command line of N6 and worry. If I enter the command def libr CAPEKLIB2 shared=no etc., etc. I don't see how that associates with the virtual library 1-02 on the TS3500. I'm obviously missing something as plain as the nose on my face, but what is it? Fred Johanson TSM Administrator University of Chicago 773-702-8464
Re: How to define Library2
NDMP support. You have 2 choices for NDMP, Lan-free or TCP;/IP. You need to read carefully to understand the differences. Obviously, Lan-free keeps the traffic off your LAN. But there are consequences. You get special NDMP tapes this way, and you can't copy them- you have to vault your primary tapes if you want them to go offsite - are you prepared You can backup your primary pool LAN free NDMP volumes to copypools. I accidently damage one volume of my primary pool and was able to restore it from my copypool. I only vault copypool NDMP backups. for that? If you do your NDMP backup via the LAN, the data goes into the regular TSM pool hierarchy, and you can create copy pools with the data. And do individual file restores by creating the TOC. You need to figure out what your requirements are first, then figure out the architcture. I'm no NDMP expert, but I think you need to ask more questions from people here who have NDMP expertise before you go further...
