Re: Placement Performance Report with mobileapp performance

2013-12-03 Thread Brandon
Hi Takeshi, In fact, I had already tried this solution. But the URL Performance Report doesn't show the correct number of results which is 5450 rows and it returns 5085 rows in this case. What kind of data would be excluded? And how to aggregate Automatic Placement and Managed Placement

Re: Alert Service required MCC account.

2013-12-03 Thread Chirag
Hello paul, Any update on this? On Wednesday, October 23, 2013 5:27:13 PM UTC+5:30, Chirag wrote: Hi, Alert Service says that : Use this service to retrieve alerts relating to managed accounts (such as a credit card expiring soon or a campaign ending). Each returned

Re: Alert Service required MCC account.

2013-12-03 Thread Paul Matthews (AdWords API Team)
Hi Chirag, So I've been looking into this further and I too have been receiving AlertError.INVALID_CLIENT_ID_SELECTED. However, the problem I was hitting was: I'd been sending the client customer in the string form: 000-000-, but the

Re: Error running AdWords API with Google App Engine

2013-12-03 Thread Anders H
Hi Takeshi, Thank you for your suggestion. I will have at look at it and write back with my results when I have finished testing. Are there any up to date Java demo applications available for using AdWords API on App Engine? I was thinking of something like this Python demo:

Re: Alert Service required MCC account.

2013-12-03 Thread Chirag
Hi Paul, Thanks for reply, But How i can do this? Still seeing same error. Also wants to mention, using MCC account this is giving proper response. On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 5:02:29 PM UTC+5:30, Paul Matthews (AdWords API Team) wrote: Hi Chirag, So I've been looking into this further

Re: need an example for fetching Stats in Java without executing a report to file system - due to migration to v201309

2013-12-03 Thread assaf
I regenerated the refresh token, copied to the ads.properties file and still get the same error when generating the report (Report was not downloaded. HTTP Response Code: 400, Trigger: null, Type: AuthenticationError.OAUTH_TOKEN_INVALID). Perhaps the length of the other credentials are not OK?

AdParam Service and Currency codes

2013-12-03 Thread havard
Hi, Is there a list over available currency codes? We have some issues using currencies such as NOK, SEK, DKK in our param1 in other words currencies that do not have a single character currency symbol such as $, € or £. Are currencies limited to those using single characters, or have I

Re: need an example for fetching Stats in Java without executing a report to file system - due to migration to v201309

2013-12-03 Thread assaf
OK, My mistake. I was performing all the changes in a wrong located ads.properties. One the new refresh Token was taken the report finished successfully. I will now try reading the data without generating the excel itself. Many thanks! On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 3:28:11 PM UTC+2, assaf wrote:

Problem api adword

2013-12-03 Thread KAMOUN Ilyess
Hello, i dont understand what the meaning this error and why i have this error : [message:protected] = [AdError.INVALID_AD_TYPE @ operations[0].operand.ad] Can you help me please to solve this problem? here are my script and response soap; thank you in advance.

Re: AccountDisabled Error

2013-12-03 Thread Maxim Kurapatkin
Got you! Thanks! -Maxim Kurapatkin On Monday, December 2, 2013 3:09:54 PM UTC-5, Josh Radcliff (AdWords API Team) wrote: Hi Maxim, This error comes from ClientLogin and can occur when AuthTokens are requested too quickly or at the same time from different locations. To unlock the

Re: Missing TARGETED_MONTHLY_SEARCHES from response

2013-12-03 Thread PPC London
Hi Takeshi Thanks for reply We are changing our code to handle this, But up to 2 weeks back we were getting back SEARCH_VOLUME , COMPETITION and TARGETED_MONTHLY_SEARCHES back for all the keywords(with values 0 for those keywords without STATS) And suddenly our users reported that our

how to get ClientCustomerID after oAuth2 authorization

2013-12-03 Thread larisa bolgova
Hi. I face next problem. I used oAuth2 to authorize my web Application. For the next step i need to get ClientCustomerID. I used ManagedCustomerService. $user = new AdWordsUser(NULL, 'em...@gmail.com', 'paswd', DeveloperToken', NULL, 'MCC', NULL, NULL, 'access_token', NULL); after that i get

to add keywords

2013-12-03 Thread KAMOUN Ilyess
hello everybody ,to add keywords what Webs Service Appropriate: AdGroupCriterionService or AdGroupAdService, Thanks -- -- =~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~ Also find us on our blog and discussion group: http://googleadsdeveloper.blogspot.com

Re: Your client does not have permission to get URL

2013-12-03 Thread Modix Germany
Hi Josh, Thanks for the info. I've checked inbox but found nothing special. Two ads were declined because of trademark and non-working destination url. Regards - Daniel Am Montag, 2. Dezember 2013 21:19:30 UTC+1 schrieb Josh Radcliff (AdWords API Team): Hi Daniel, Regarding the abnormal

How to aggregate data that was segmented by clicktype

2013-12-03 Thread Zweitze
Hello, We have our own database which is synchronized from AdWords reports. We retrieve the data with many segments, including date, device, networktype and also clicktype. For most uses of the data we have to aggregate the data. Usually this means that we add: if we want to get the number of

Re: Geo performance report CityCriteriaId misguides developers

2013-12-03 Thread Chirag
Hello Paul, Any information ragrding this? On Monday, October 28, 2013 4:18:25 PM UTC+5:30, Chirag wrote: Hello Paul, Thanks for reply. When i can expect this to be update? On Friday, October 25, 2013 9:23:04 PM UTC+5:30, Paul Matthews (AdWords API Team) wrote: Hi Chirag, You're

Re: Alert Service required MCC account.

2013-12-03 Thread Chirag
Hello Paul, Yes, As you can see in my earlier post, i am using the same code as your one. But as you are not getting any error, i have tryed once again with no success. Please see my request id here, getting same error - An error has occurred: [AlertError.INVALID_CLIENT_ID_SELECTED @

Re: AccountDisabled Error

2013-12-03 Thread Maxim Kurapatkin
Hello, manually and enter the Captcha string. Is it a special place under the account settings where i proceed with captcha? Because i never get the captcha question during the web login either My client or Adwords account.. Please let me know. On Monday, December 2, 2013 3:09:54 PM

Re: AccountDisabled Error

2013-12-03 Thread Evgeniy Bogdanov
If you run this code on server, try to open Adwords UI from server's IP. 2013/12/3 Maxim Kurapatkin ma...@isotree.com Hello, manually and enter the Captcha string. Is it a special place under the account settings where i proceed with captcha? Because i never get the captcha question

Does the current status of the campaign affect historical keyword download?

2013-12-03 Thread Peter Kingswell
Hi, I'm seeing some unexpected behaviour from the reporting API. Let's say it's Friday and you download Monday's keywords (filtering on CampaignStatus == ACTIVE) for an account with one active campaign. Keywords are returned. Then you pause the campaign and download Monday's keywords again

Re: AccountDisabled Error

2013-12-03 Thread Maxim Kurapatkin
Thanks for the insight. Did that with no luck... On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 1:53:13 PM UTC-5, Evgeniy Bogdanov wrote: If you run this code on server, try to open Adwords UI from server's IP. 2013/12/3 Maxim Kurapatkin ma...@isotree.com javascript: Hello, manually and enter the

Re: Reading stats from reports, sorting them and displaying them on UI (Without saving to files)

2013-12-03 Thread Takeshi Hagikura (AdWords API Team)
Hi Naman, Reports including SEARCH_QUERY_PERFORMANCE_REPORT don't support ordering. So you need to download the report first in your local, then add sort function by some criteria (like clicks). Does this answer your question? Best, - Takeshi, AdWords API Team On Monday, December 2, 2013

Re: Getting ad groups audience bids adjustments and targeting settings via API

2013-12-03 Thread Takeshi Hagikura (AdWords API Team)
Hi Anil, You can use bidModifier field of the BiddableAdGroupCriterionhttps://developers.google.com/adwords/api/docs/reference/latest/AdGroupCriterionService.BiddableAdGroupCriterion to know the bid adjustments. Please see this guide for more details

Re: Campaigns number limit question

2013-12-03 Thread Takeshi Hagikura (AdWords API Team)
Hi GDZ, You can have 10,000 campaigns for each account. Best, - Takeshi, On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 5:36:29 AM UTC+9, GDZ wrote: Little bit confused here. Limit of total 10,000 campaigns - does it apply to all my client accounts? I.e. if I say have 3 client accounts in my MCC account,

Re: Campaigns number limit question

2013-12-03 Thread GDZ
Thank you! On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 11:29:07 PM UTC-5, Takeshi Hagikura (AdWords API Team) wrote: Hi GDZ, You can have 10,000 campaigns for each account. Best, - Takeshi, On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 5:36:29 AM UTC+9, GDZ wrote: Little bit confused here. Limit of total 10,000

Re: Error running AdWords API with Google App Engine

2013-12-03 Thread Takeshi Hagikura (AdWords API Team)
Hi Andres, Unfortunately there isn't a demo app for appengine using the Java client library. Best, - Takeshi, On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 8:58:20 PM UTC+9, Anders H wrote: Hi Takeshi, Thank you for your suggestion. I will have at look at it and write back with my results when I have

What WebService i use to add keywords?

2013-12-03 Thread karima Mechergui
Hi Team; Can you help me please? I do not know what I use webservice to add keywords: AdGroupCriterionService or AdGroupAdService?Thanks -- -- =~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~ Also find us on our blog and discussion group: http://googleadsdeveloper.blogspot.com

Re: Your client does not have permission to get URL

2013-12-03 Thread Jonathan Fann
I have removed the map and put the old version of Google Maps embedded on the page and it works... does not work when using the new Google Maps embed. On Friday, November 22, 2013 2:10:44 PM UTC-5, Josh Radcliff (AdWords API Team) wrote: Hi Daniel, My colleague is following up with you

Re: Missing TARGETED_MONTHLY_SEARCHES from response

2013-12-03 Thread Marius-Eugen Gerdan
Hi Takeshi, It is also for me still not working correctly. Am Freitag, 29. November 2013 07:45:43 UTC+1 schrieb Takeshi Hagikura (AdWords API Team): Hi everyone, Thanks for the report. Just to make sure, is it still reproducible? I tried the following request and I got the monthly

Re: How do I generate a SOAP call/trace using .NET?

2013-12-03 Thread Angel Armando Adinolffi
Hello, Look at this blog, we provide another example of how to do that. http://www.systemdeveloper.info/2013/11/trace-soap-requestresponse-xml-with.html I hope you find it helpful El jueves, 6 de abril de 2006 18:35:06 UTC-4, briguy escribió: I'm using VB.NET to use the Google API and I want

API v201309 CampaignService selector fields SelectorError.INVALID_FIELD_NAME

2013-12-03 Thread Leny
Hi, I am trying to get every available fields from the CampaignServicehttps://developers.google.com/adwords/api/docs/appendix/selectorfields#v201309-CampaignService on the API v201309, but sadly a few fields are returning an INVALID_FIELD_NAME error : BiddingStrategySource ContentBid CpcBid

Re: Your client does not have permission to get URL

2013-12-03 Thread Jonathan Fann
I am encountering an error on http://www.palmettoprimarycare.com/specialty-care/summerville-gi-diagnostics/ It says: *403.* That’s an error. Your client does not have permission to get URL

comma in field content in CSV report?

2013-12-03 Thread Italo Armenti
Hello, since I am downloading the report in CSV format, I wonder if there is a way you deal when there is a comma inside a field. For example, what happens if there is a comma in the 'Description1' field of an AD_PERFORMANCE_REPORT? How will it appear in the CSV? Thanks! -- --

AuthorizationError.USER_PERMISSION_DENIED

2013-12-03 Thread Nelutzu
Hello all, I get this error when i try to get all campaigns from my mcc account using adwords api(v201309): *Fatal error: Uncaught SoapFault exception: [soap:Server] [AuthorizationError.USER_PERMISSION_DENIED @ ; trigger:'I use the client library get it from here:

Invalid FROM clause

2013-12-03 Thread ankoor
I get an INVALID_FROM_CLAUSE error when i make the following request, SELECT Id,Clicks FROM CAMPAIGN_PERFORMANCE_REPORT WHERE Id = 107370543 DURING 20131126,20131128 this is the full request, (minus personal details): ?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8?

AuthenticationError.OAUTH_TOKEN_INVALID

2013-12-03 Thread Peter Woollven
Hello I was previously using the PHP client library v201209 and everything worked as expected. This morning I updated to v201309 and now I get an authentication error: ReportDownloadException: Report download failed. Underlying errors are Type = 'AuthenticationError.OAUTH_TOKEN_INVALID',

[PHP] AuthToken Expired no OAUTH2

2013-12-03 Thread Aleksander Dębski
Hello, Today when I tried to develop my application I got Authentication Error: GOOGLE_ACCOUNT_COOKIE_INVALID with is probably related to AuthToken expiration. Before it all was fine. I`m using Google libs. I`ve tried generating(success) and passing new token(failure - still invalid

Problem add keyword with Adwords Api

2013-12-03 Thread karima Mechergui
Hi Adwords Team, i dont understand what the meaning this error and why i have this error : [message:protected] = [AdError.INVALID_AD_TYPE @ operations[0].operand.ad] Can you help me please to solve this problem? here are my script and response soap; thank you in advance. My script :

Get the Campaign name By Creative ID

2013-12-03 Thread Alexis Gruet
Hi everyone, We currently use value track and and log every incoming connexions from adwords campaign, Then we import every datas from value track associated to user actions and personal datas into a dataware to analyse the traffic and how improve it our campaings We log the creativeID from

Invalid field to migrate v201306 to v201309

2013-12-03 Thread Sathishkumar M
Hi All, I'm updating my adwords version v201306 to v201309. I'm getting below errors in CampaignService, [SelectorError.INVALID_FIELD_NAME @ serviceSelector; trigger:'*AverageCpc* ', SelectorError.INVALID_FIELD_NAME @ serviceSelector; trigger:'*Cost*', SelectorError.INVALID_FIELD_NAME @

How to run adword api from xmapp

2013-12-03 Thread gtmcc
I want to how to run it from localhost. I dnt want to run it from command prompt. -- -- =~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~ Also find us on our blog and discussion group: http://googleadsdeveloper.blogspot.com http://groups.google.com/group/adwords-api

Re: Using Ad-Hoc for get report : Missing report definition error

2013-12-03 Thread ankoor
Hi Paul, I'm having the same issue. Could i get some advice on this? I'm using AWQL, with the following parameters, url:https://adwords.google.com/api/adwords/reportdownload/v201309;, post_headers: { developerToken: __DEVELOPER_TOKEN__, clientCustomerId:

Field 'dateRange' is not in type 'reportDefinition' error (adspygoogle)

2013-12-03 Thread Rani Glaser
Hey, I'm trying to post the following report request, and getting an error. Any insight would be appreciated. report = { 'reportName': 'Keywords Custom Date', 'dateRangeType': 'CUSTOM_DATE', 'dateRange': { 'min': '20131101', 'max': '20131107' },

Get transactions on MCF Report

2013-12-03 Thread Pierre Grimaud
Hello world! I'm using MCF Reporting API to create report matched with Adwords Reports. The API documentation said This metric includes both goal completions and transactions. https://developers.google.com/analytics/devguides/reporting/mcf/dimsmets/interactions#mcf:assistedConversions But I

What WebService i use to add keywords?

2013-12-03 Thread karima Mechergui
Hi Team; Can you help me please? I do not know what I use webservice to add keywords: AdGroupCriterionService or AdGroupAdService?Thanks -- -- =~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~ Also find us on our blog and discussion group: http://googleadsdeveloper.blogspot.com

Re: Missing TARGETED_MONTHLY_SEARCHES from response

2013-12-03 Thread Marius-Eugen Gerdan
Tanks Takeshi! Am Montag, 2. Dezember 2013 08:12:35 UTC+1 schrieb Takeshi Hagikura (AdWords API Team): Hi, Thanks, I'm able to reproduce it as well. I think it's an unexpected behavior. I'm escalating it to the relevant engineer. Best, - Takeshi, AdWords API Team On Friday,

Re: Have an error QuotaCheckError.INCOMPLETE_SIGNUP

2013-12-03 Thread Ilya steem
This is one way to use tests for API AdWords =(... in Russian this is same that we need to have approved developer id's. As the result, this pages contain wrong information for Russian (maybe for ather other countries too), like this: Test account access does not require an approved developer

Re: How to create a budget on customer by AdWords API?

2013-12-03 Thread Pengfei Li
I am using MDS now, is there any way to do that by api? can you give an example? Budget seems not a property of ManagedCustomer, so I can not set budget on Customer like the way of Campaigns. Any help will be greatly appreciated. On Wednesday, November 6, 2013 5:13:35 PM UTC+8, Takeshi

Mobile Campaign

2013-12-03 Thread ssAdword
Hi, I'm trying to plug into Adword API to create, manage my mobile campaigns. the type of campaigns that I'm trying to run is 320x50 size image ad (JPEG, URL) on mobile devices (either using in-app or mobile web display) I have thousands of banners to be run and need to manage them

Authentication Error

2013-12-03 Thread Peter Woollven
Hello We were previously using The PHP Client Library v201209 and everything worked as expected. This morning we upgraded to v201309 and started getting authentication errors: ReportDownloadException: Report download failed. Underlying errors are Type =

Using AdWord API for mobile campaigns

2013-12-03 Thread ssAdword
Hi, I'm trying to explore functionality of AdWord API. What I'm hoping to accomplish is to bulk upload image ads targeting at mobile devices (either in-app or mobile web display), manage the bid and have layers of targeting such as zipcode targeting. It is not for app download but mobile

Re: How to programmatically recording an Adword conversion?

2013-12-03 Thread Alex Czartoryski
This is coming soon: http://adwords.blogspot.de/2013/09/measure-optimize-for-offline-sales-with.html On Thursday, 7 February 2013 18:35:17 UTC-5, David Torres wrote: Hi, As Evgeniy says, there is no way to programmatically trigger a conversion via the AdWords API (it is all via the

Fatal error: Uncaught SoapFault exception: [soap:Server] [QuotaCheckError.INCOMPLETE_SIGNUP @ ; trigger:''] in AdsSoapClient.php:216

2013-12-03 Thread mccsujees Suku
Hi, I have a problem with the API Adwords. I created a test account in mcc. When i try to connect to API i see an error : Fatal error: Uncaught SoapFault exception: [soap:Server] [QuotaCheckError.INCOMPLETE_SIGNUP @ ; trigger:''] in AdsSoapClient.php:216 My user credentials are :

Adwords API Script

2013-12-03 Thread Kenneth Mathis
Need an api script to use for updating adwords ads, campaigns, adgroups and keywords, based on php myadmin sql, or excel table large datas. Please help me with the hole process. Thanks -- -- =~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~ Also find us on our blog and discussion group:

Trying to execute the GetKeywordIdeas.php but unsuccessful using Test Accounts

2013-12-03 Thread mithila
Hi All, I have been trying to execute the GetKeywordIdeas.php it. But when I try to execute the file it gives error and returns An error has occurred: { error : invalid_client } These are the details used in \src\Google\Api\Ads\AdWords\auth.ini file developerToken = APPROVAL PENDING TOKEN

Problem add new keywords with Adwors API [AuthenticationError.GOOGLE_ACCOUNT_COOKIE_INVALID @ ; trigger:'lt;null']

2013-12-03 Thread Karima Mech
Hi API Team, I have 2 questions so : 1/ For add new keyword it should use this web service https://adwords.google.com/api/adwords/cm/v201306/AdGroupCriterionService?wsdlor this https://adwords.google.com/api/adwords/cm/v201306/AdGroupAdService?wsdl? 2/ i used the webservice

Re: Auction Insights Report

2013-12-03 Thread Daniel Gilbert
This thread has been running for almost a year now! Any timelines on when this might be accessible via the API? Or has anyone worked out a way to access this data any other way? On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 3:45:14 AM UTC, Takeshi Hagikura (AdWords API Team) wrote: Hi Jeremy, It's not

Re: [OperationAccessDenied.ADD_OPERATION_NOT_PERMITTED @ operations[0]] with api 201309

2013-12-03 Thread Takeshi Hagikura (AdWords API Team)
Hi Munish, As Danial says, do you have the request and response XML logs? I'd like to know the detail of the request and response, it can't be inferred from the stacktrace or the Java source. Best, - Takeshi, AdWords API Team On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 2:02:29 PM UTC+9, Munish Kumar wrote:

Re: AdParam Service and Currency codes

2013-12-03 Thread Takeshi Hagikura (AdWords API Team)
Hi, It's available herehttps://developers.google.com/adwords/api/docs/appendix/currencycodes . Currencies shouldn't be limited to single characters currency codes. Do you have the SOAP logs that didn't work with multi byte currency codes? Best, - Takeshi, AdWords API Team On Tuesday, December

Re: how to get ClientCustomerID after oAuth2 authorization

2013-12-03 Thread Takeshi Hagikura (AdWords API Team)
Hi, ClientCustomerID is not something you can obtain through the AdWords API. You can obtain it through the API consolehttps://code.google.com/apis/console/?pli=1 . If you are using the PHP library, here is the wiki pagehttps://code.google.com/p/google-api-adwords-php/wiki/OAuth2for the

Re: Does the current status of the campaign affect historical keyword download?

2013-12-03 Thread Takeshi Hagikura (AdWords API Team)
Hi Peter, It's expected. The predicate doesn't take historical statuses into account. Best, - Takeshi, AdWords API Team On Wednesday, December 4, 2013 6:33:10 AM UTC+9, Peter Kingswell wrote: Hi, I'm seeing some unexpected behaviour from the reporting API. Let's say it's Friday and you

Re: Adwords API Script

2013-12-03 Thread Takeshi Hagikura (AdWords API Team)
Hi Kenneth, Please check the document https://developers.google.com/adwords/scripts/first. Also, if you have a question on AdWords Scripts, there is another forumhttps://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/adwords-scriptson that. Best, - Takeshi, AdWords API Team On Friday, November 29, 2013

Re: What WebService i use to add keywords?

2013-12-03 Thread Takeshi Hagikura (AdWords API Team)
Hi, Please use AdGroupCriterionService. You can refer to examples in client libraries. (e.g., Java's onehttps://code.google.com/p/google-api-ads-java/source/browse/examples/adwords_axis/src/main/java/adwords/axis/v201309/basicoperations/AddKeywords.java ) Best, - Takeshi, On Wednesday,

Re: Problem api adword

2013-12-03 Thread Takeshi Hagikura (AdWords API Team)
Hi, What are you trying to do? I recommend refer to example code first, (e.g. PHP exampleshttps://code.google.com/p/google-api-adwords-php/source/browse/#git%2Fexamples%2FAdWords%2Fv201309%2FBasicOperations ) Best, - Takeshi, AdWords API Team On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 10:55:48 PM UTC+9,

Re: [PHP] AuthToken Expired no OAUTH2

2013-12-03 Thread Takeshi Hagikura (AdWords API Team)
Hi, Just to confirm, are you using the PHP libraryhttps://code.google.com/p/google-api-adwords-php/ with ClientLogin (authenticate with the pair of the email and the password)? If you are using OAuth2, you can follow this stephttps://code.google.com/p/google-api-adwords-php/wiki/OAuth2 .

Re: AuthenticationError.OAUTH_TOKEN_INVALID

2013-12-03 Thread Takeshi Hagikura (AdWords API Team)
Hi Peter, Did you update your auth.inihttps://code.google.com/p/google-api-adwords-php/source/browse/src/Google/Api/Ads/AdWords/auth.ini#19 with your clientID, ClientSecret and the refresh token? Best, - Takeshi, AdWords API Team On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 12:58:01 AM UTC+9, Peter Woollven

percentServed field from Ad Performance report

2013-12-03 Thread assaf
Hi, I can't find this field in the report. What was once in the AdStats : double percentServed = (stats.getPercentServed()).doubleValue(); How in v201309 can I fetch this field? Thanks. -- -- =~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~ Also find us on our blog and discussion group: