Re: Creating negative keyword in manager account using SharedSetService - validating migration from 201705 to 201802

['Josh Radcliff (AdWords API Team)' via AdWords API Forum]

Hi Matt,

Your theory sounds right to me. Prior to v201710, the AdWords API prevented 
users from creating a shared set in a manager account because the AdWords 
API did not perform some additional internal steps required for 
manager-level sets. At that time, the workaround was to create the 
manager-level set in the UI, after which you could maintain the *contents* of 
the manager-level set (negative keywords) using the AdWords API without 
issues. Starting with v201710, the AdWords API was updated to perform those 
additional internal steps, hence the expected difference in behavior 
between v201708 and v201710.

I'm still waiting on a response on the validation change you mentioned. 
I'll let you know as soon as I get that.

Cheers,
Josh, AdWords API Team

On Monday, March 19, 2018 at 5:42:54 PM UTC-4, Matthew Wawrin wrote:
>
> Thanks Josh.  
>
> Likely I created the manager level negative keyword list in the UI, then 
> populated it through the API.  We started using the manager negative 
> keyword list in May 2017.   By the sounds of it we may not have been able 
> to create it through the API itself until 201710?  Once created and 
> populated we managed the contents of the list and create CampaignSharedSet 
> links when creating new campaigns.  Also sounds like support for shared 
> lists are expanding in the API rather than being reduced which is very 
> encouraging.  We will be making use of negative placements at the manager 
> level in the future I'm sure. 
>
> Cheeris,
> Matt.
>
> On Monday, March 19, 2018 at 3:43:30 PM UTC-5, Josh Radcliff (AdWords API 
> Team) wrote:
>>
>> Hi Matt,
>>
>> I'll definitely get back to you once I have more info on the change you 
>> mentioned. However, I'd recommend holding off on abandoning manager-level 
>> shared sets. In fact, the v201710 release added support for 
>> manager-level shared sets 
>> ,
>>  
>> so if you're already using them, I see no reason to change course.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Josh, AdWords API Team
>>
>> On Monday, March 19, 2018 at 2:08:29 PM UTC-4, Matthew Wawrin wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Josh, 
>>>
>>> Thank you for following up.  I look forward to hearing more details when 
>>> available.   I'm going to proceed with our API level update tomorrow and 
>>> get some code ready as a  contingency if we're no longer able to use the 
>>> MCC's neg. keyword shared set  for a managed customer account's 
>>> CampaignSharedSet.  We already maintain negative placements in each managed 
>>> customer account, so moving neg. keywords to this level won't be a huge 
>>> issue.  I liked being able to maintain these lists at the highest level and 
>>> reduce the duplication as much as possible.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Matt.
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 19, 2018 at 8:25:40 AM UTC-5, Josh Radcliff (AdWords 
>>> API Team) wrote:

 Hi Matt,

 You've uncovered a mystery! :) I just confirmed that the validation did 
 indeed change recently, but I'm not sure why. I'm following up with the 
 engineer who made the change and will get back to you. Thanks for catching 
 this and reporting it to us!

 Cheers,
 Josh, AdWords API Team

 On Friday, March 16, 2018 at 1:06:53 PM UTC-4, Matthew Wawrin wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm working through the validation of our code base (PHP) from 201705 
> to 201802, and I noticed a change in the 201708 migration guide regarding 
> the SharedSetService mutate regarding creating shared set of Negative 
> keywords in a manager account:
>
> From 
> https://developers.google.com/adwords/api/docs/guides/migration/v201708
> : 
>
> *Requests that attempt to create a shared set 
> of NEGATIVE_KEYWORDS type 
> 
>  in 
> a manager account will now fail with a SharedSetError 
> 
>  of MANAGER_CUSTOMER_CANNOT_CREATE_SHARED_SET_OF_THIS_TYPE. 
> This change does not impact client  (non-manager) accounts.*
>
>
>  We manage a large number of sub-accounts under our manager, and all 
> campaigns in those sub-accounts use the same base negative keyword shared 
> in the manager account.   Currently there are > 19K campaigns linked to 
> the 
> manager level negative keyword list.  
>
> In both our production MCC and test manager account I'm still able to 
> create a Negative Keyword shared set using the 201802 API level which 
> contradicts the change in 201708.  In my test manager I'm able to create 
> a 
> campaign shared set association with the shared set that was created.
>
> I'd like to understand the impact of this change so I can properly 
> update our operations and code to the latest level.   Does 

Re: Creating negative keyword in manager account using SharedSetService - validating migration from 201705 to 201802

[Matthew Wawrin]

Thanks Josh.  

Likely I created the manager level negative keyword list in the UI, then 
populated it through the API.  We started using the manager negative 
keyword list in May 2017.   By the sounds of it we may not have been able 
to create it through the API itself until 201710?  Once created and 
populated we managed the contents of the list and create CampaignSharedSet 
links when creating new campaigns.  Also sounds like support for shared 
lists are expanding in the API rather than being reduced which is very 
encouraging.  We will be making use of negative placements at the manager 
level in the future I'm sure. 

Cheeris,
Matt.

On Monday, March 19, 2018 at 3:43:30 PM UTC-5, Josh Radcliff (AdWords API 
Team) wrote:
>
> Hi Matt,
>
> I'll definitely get back to you once I have more info on the change you 
> mentioned. However, I'd recommend holding off on abandoning manager-level 
> shared sets. In fact, the v201710 release added support for manager-level 
> shared sets 
> ,
>  
> so if you're already using them, I see no reason to change course.
>
> Thanks,
> Josh, AdWords API Team
>
> On Monday, March 19, 2018 at 2:08:29 PM UTC-4, Matthew Wawrin wrote:
>>
>> Hi Josh, 
>>
>> Thank you for following up.  I look forward to hearing more details when 
>> available.   I'm going to proceed with our API level update tomorrow and 
>> get some code ready as a  contingency if we're no longer able to use the 
>> MCC's neg. keyword shared set  for a managed customer account's 
>> CampaignSharedSet.  We already maintain negative placements in each managed 
>> customer account, so moving neg. keywords to this level won't be a huge 
>> issue.  I liked being able to maintain these lists at the highest level and 
>> reduce the duplication as much as possible.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Matt.
>>
>> On Monday, March 19, 2018 at 8:25:40 AM UTC-5, Josh Radcliff (AdWords API 
>> Team) wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Matt,
>>>
>>> You've uncovered a mystery! :) I just confirmed that the validation did 
>>> indeed change recently, but I'm not sure why. I'm following up with the 
>>> engineer who made the change and will get back to you. Thanks for catching 
>>> this and reporting it to us!
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Josh, AdWords API Team
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 16, 2018 at 1:06:53 PM UTC-4, Matthew Wawrin wrote:

 Hi,

 I'm working through the validation of our code base (PHP) from 201705 
 to 201802, and I noticed a change in the 201708 migration guide regarding 
 the SharedSetService mutate regarding creating shared set of Negative 
 keywords in a manager account:

 From 
 https://developers.google.com/adwords/api/docs/guides/migration/v201708
 : 

 *Requests that attempt to create a shared set of NEGATIVE_KEYWORDS type 
 
  in 
 a manager account will now fail with a SharedSetError 
 
  of MANAGER_CUSTOMER_CANNOT_CREATE_SHARED_SET_OF_THIS_TYPE. 
 This change does not impact client  (non-manager) accounts.*


  We manage a large number of sub-accounts under our manager, and all 
 campaigns in those sub-accounts use the same base negative keyword shared 
 in the manager account.   Currently there are > 19K campaigns linked to 
 the 
 manager level negative keyword list.  

 In both our production MCC and test manager account I'm still able to 
 create a Negative Keyword shared set using the 201802 API level which 
 contradicts the change in 201708.  In my test manager I'm able to create a 
 campaign shared set association with the shared set that was created.

 I'd like to understand the impact of this change so I can properly 
 update our operations and code to the latest level.   Does the API enforce 
 the change in 201708 in a way that I'm overlooking?  
 To be honest I haven't tried using the 201708 API level to see if the 
 behaviour changed after, but the subsequent migration logs don't appear to 
 call out this change.

 Unrelated to the API, Are manager level negative keywords being phased 
 out in general (not limited to the API) and we should migrate to the 
 client 
 customer accounts.  I can follow up on the Adwords users forum for this 
 question but I suspect the API would have to reflect this too.

 I plan to push the code to move up early next week, giving me a week or 
 so until the switch over to handle any issues.

 Thank you,
 Matt.

>>>

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Re: Creating negative keyword in manager account using SharedSetService - validating migration from 201705 to 201802

['Josh Radcliff (AdWords API Team)' via AdWords API Forum]

Hi Matt,

I'll definitely get back to you once I have more info on the change you 
mentioned. However, I'd recommend holding off on abandoning manager-level 
shared sets. In fact, the v201710 release added support for manager-level 
shared sets 
,
 
so if you're already using them, I see no reason to change course.

Thanks,
Josh, AdWords API Team

On Monday, March 19, 2018 at 2:08:29 PM UTC-4, Matthew Wawrin wrote:
>
> Hi Josh, 
>
> Thank you for following up.  I look forward to hearing more details when 
> available.   I'm going to proceed with our API level update tomorrow and 
> get some code ready as a  contingency if we're no longer able to use the 
> MCC's neg. keyword shared set  for a managed customer account's 
> CampaignSharedSet.  We already maintain negative placements in each managed 
> customer account, so moving neg. keywords to this level won't be a huge 
> issue.  I liked being able to maintain these lists at the highest level and 
> reduce the duplication as much as possible.
>
> Cheers,
> Matt.
>
> On Monday, March 19, 2018 at 8:25:40 AM UTC-5, Josh Radcliff (AdWords API 
> Team) wrote:
>>
>> Hi Matt,
>>
>> You've uncovered a mystery! :) I just confirmed that the validation did 
>> indeed change recently, but I'm not sure why. I'm following up with the 
>> engineer who made the change and will get back to you. Thanks for catching 
>> this and reporting it to us!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Josh, AdWords API Team
>>
>> On Friday, March 16, 2018 at 1:06:53 PM UTC-4, Matthew Wawrin wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm working through the validation of our code base (PHP) from 201705 to 
>>> 201802, and I noticed a change in the 201708 migration guide regarding the 
>>> SharedSetService mutate regarding creating shared set of Negative keywords 
>>> in a manager account:
>>>
>>> From 
>>> https://developers.google.com/adwords/api/docs/guides/migration/v201708
>>> : 
>>>
>>> *Requests that attempt to create a shared set of NEGATIVE_KEYWORDS type 
>>> 
>>>  in 
>>> a manager account will now fail with a SharedSetError 
>>> 
>>>  of MANAGER_CUSTOMER_CANNOT_CREATE_SHARED_SET_OF_THIS_TYPE. 
>>> This change does not impact client  (non-manager) accounts.*
>>>
>>>
>>>  We manage a large number of sub-accounts under our manager, and all 
>>> campaigns in those sub-accounts use the same base negative keyword shared 
>>> in the manager account.   Currently there are > 19K campaigns linked to the 
>>> manager level negative keyword list.  
>>>
>>> In both our production MCC and test manager account I'm still able to 
>>> create a Negative Keyword shared set using the 201802 API level which 
>>> contradicts the change in 201708.  In my test manager I'm able to create a 
>>> campaign shared set association with the shared set that was created.
>>>
>>> I'd like to understand the impact of this change so I can properly 
>>> update our operations and code to the latest level.   Does the API enforce 
>>> the change in 201708 in a way that I'm overlooking?  
>>> To be honest I haven't tried using the 201708 API level to see if the 
>>> behaviour changed after, but the subsequent migration logs don't appear to 
>>> call out this change.
>>>
>>> Unrelated to the API, Are manager level negative keywords being phased 
>>> out in general (not limited to the API) and we should migrate to the client 
>>> customer accounts.  I can follow up on the Adwords users forum for this 
>>> question but I suspect the API would have to reflect this too.
>>>
>>> I plan to push the code to move up early next week, giving me a week or 
>>> so until the switch over to handle any issues.
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Matt.
>>>
>>

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Re: Creating negative keyword in manager account using SharedSetService - validating migration from 201705 to 201802

[Matthew Wawrin]

Hi Josh, 

Thank you for following up.  I look forward to hearing more details when 
available.   I'm going to proceed with our API level update tomorrow and 
get some code ready as a  contingency if we're no longer able to use the 
MCC's neg. keyword shared set  for a managed customer account's 
CampaignSharedSet.  We already maintain negative placements in each managed 
customer account, so moving neg. keywords to this level won't be a huge 
issue.  I liked being able to maintain these lists at the highest level and 
reduce the duplication as much as possible.

Cheers,
Matt.

On Monday, March 19, 2018 at 8:25:40 AM UTC-5, Josh Radcliff (AdWords API 
Team) wrote:
>
> Hi Matt,
>
> You've uncovered a mystery! :) I just confirmed that the validation did 
> indeed change recently, but I'm not sure why. I'm following up with the 
> engineer who made the change and will get back to you. Thanks for catching 
> this and reporting it to us!
>
> Cheers,
> Josh, AdWords API Team
>
> On Friday, March 16, 2018 at 1:06:53 PM UTC-4, Matthew Wawrin wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm working through the validation of our code base (PHP) from 201705 to 
>> 201802, and I noticed a change in the 201708 migration guide regarding the 
>> SharedSetService mutate regarding creating shared set of Negative keywords 
>> in a manager account:
>>
>> From 
>> https://developers.google.com/adwords/api/docs/guides/migration/v201708: 
>>
>> *Requests that attempt to create a shared set of NEGATIVE_KEYWORDS type 
>> 
>>  in 
>> a manager account will now fail with a SharedSetError 
>> 
>>  of MANAGER_CUSTOMER_CANNOT_CREATE_SHARED_SET_OF_THIS_TYPE. 
>> This change does not impact client  (non-manager) accounts.*
>>
>>
>>  We manage a large number of sub-accounts under our manager, and all 
>> campaigns in those sub-accounts use the same base negative keyword shared 
>> in the manager account.   Currently there are > 19K campaigns linked to the 
>> manager level negative keyword list.  
>>
>> In both our production MCC and test manager account I'm still able to 
>> create a Negative Keyword shared set using the 201802 API level which 
>> contradicts the change in 201708.  In my test manager I'm able to create a 
>> campaign shared set association with the shared set that was created.
>>
>> I'd like to understand the impact of this change so I can properly update 
>> our operations and code to the latest level.   Does the API enforce the 
>> change in 201708 in a way that I'm overlooking?  
>> To be honest I haven't tried using the 201708 API level to see if the 
>> behaviour changed after, but the subsequent migration logs don't appear to 
>> call out this change.
>>
>> Unrelated to the API, Are manager level negative keywords being phased 
>> out in general (not limited to the API) and we should migrate to the client 
>> customer accounts.  I can follow up on the Adwords users forum for this 
>> question but I suspect the API would have to reflect this too.
>>
>> I plan to push the code to move up early next week, giving me a week or 
>> so until the switch over to handle any issues.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Matt.
>>
>

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Re: Creating negative keyword in manager account using SharedSetService - validating migration from 201705 to 201802

['Josh Radcliff (AdWords API Team)' via AdWords API Forum]

Hi Matt,

You've uncovered a mystery! :) I just confirmed that the validation did 
indeed change recently, but I'm not sure why. I'm following up with the 
engineer who made the change and will get back to you. Thanks for catching 
this and reporting it to us!

Cheers,
Josh, AdWords API Team

On Friday, March 16, 2018 at 1:06:53 PM UTC-4, Matthew Wawrin wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm working through the validation of our code base (PHP) from 201705 to 
> 201802, and I noticed a change in the 201708 migration guide regarding the 
> SharedSetService mutate regarding creating shared set of Negative keywords 
> in a manager account:
>
> From 
> https://developers.google.com/adwords/api/docs/guides/migration/v201708: 
>
> *Requests that attempt to create a shared set of NEGATIVE_KEYWORDS type 
> 
>  in 
> a manager account will now fail with a SharedSetError 
> 
>  of MANAGER_CUSTOMER_CANNOT_CREATE_SHARED_SET_OF_THIS_TYPE. 
> This change does not impact client  (non-manager) accounts.*
>
>
>  We manage a large number of sub-accounts under our manager, and all 
> campaigns in those sub-accounts use the same base negative keyword shared 
> in the manager account.   Currently there are > 19K campaigns linked to the 
> manager level negative keyword list.  
>
> In both our production MCC and test manager account I'm still able to 
> create a Negative Keyword shared set using the 201802 API level which 
> contradicts the change in 201708.  In my test manager I'm able to create a 
> campaign shared set association with the shared set that was created.
>
> I'd like to understand the impact of this change so I can properly update 
> our operations and code to the latest level.   Does the API enforce the 
> change in 201708 in a way that I'm overlooking?  
> To be honest I haven't tried using the 201708 API level to see if the 
> behaviour changed after, but the subsequent migration logs don't appear to 
> call out this change.
>
> Unrelated to the API, Are manager level negative keywords being phased out 
> in general (not limited to the API) and we should migrate to the client 
> customer accounts.  I can follow up on the Adwords users forum for this 
> question but I suspect the API would have to reflect this too.
>
> I plan to push the code to move up early next week, giving me a week or so 
> until the switch over to handle any issues.
>
> Thank you,
> Matt.
>

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Creating negative keyword in manager account using SharedSetService - validating migration from 201705 to 201802

[Matthew Wawrin]

Hi,

I'm working through the validation of our code base (PHP) from 201705 to 
201802, and I noticed a change in the 201708 migration guide regarding the 
SharedSetService mutate regarding creating shared set of Negative keywords 
in a manager account:

>From https://developers.google.com/adwords/api/docs/guides/migration/v201708: 

*Requests that attempt to create a shared set of NEGATIVE_KEYWORDS type 

 in 
a manager account will now fail with a SharedSetError 

 of MANAGER_CUSTOMER_CANNOT_CREATE_SHARED_SET_OF_THIS_TYPE. 
This change does not impact client  (non-manager) accounts.*


 We manage a large number of sub-accounts under our manager, and all 
campaigns in those sub-accounts use the same base negative keyword shared 
in the manager account.   Currently there are > 19K campaigns linked to the 
manager level negative keyword list.  

In both our production MCC and test manager account I'm still able to 
create a Negative Keyword shared set using the 201802 API level which 
contradicts the change in 201708.  In my test manager I'm able to create a 
campaign shared set association with the shared set that was created.

I'd like to understand the impact of this change so I can properly update 
our operations and code to the latest level.   Does the API enforce the 
change in 201708 in a way that I'm overlooking?  
To be honest I haven't tried using the 201708 API level to see if the 
behaviour changed after, but the subsequent migration logs don't appear to 
call out this change.

Unrelated to the API, Are manager level negative keywords being phased out 
in general (not limited to the API) and we should migrate to the client 
customer accounts.  I can follow up on the Adwords users forum for this 
question but I suspect the API would have to reflect this too.

I plan to push the code to move up early next week, giving me a week or so 
until the switch over to handle any issues.

Thank you,
Matt.

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