Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 STA

2020-04-20 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
I hope the massive amounts of applications just shows the necessity of us needing this extra spectrum long term. On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 12:05 AM Steve Jones wrote: > wow man, thats harsh, we may be small but we arent irrelevant :-) We > matter to somebody man > > I think getting inundated may

Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan

2020-04-20 Thread Steve Jones
not being purposefully obtuse. but companies who are still operational are taking the grant loans how? I thought this was intended for companies who otherwise would have laid people off to continue paying them. do they make you show any proof of negative impact? Im not saying anything, cause i

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread Chuck McCown
I love it when he eats the spider. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 20, 2020, at 8:27 PM, Steve Jones wrote: > >  > yes, her. I love that lady. I think she has a collection of solutions in > vials just in case. like in 12 monkeys > >> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 9:24 PM Bill Prince wrote: >>

Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 STA

2020-04-20 Thread Steve Jones
wow man, thats harsh, we may be small but we arent irrelevant :-) We matter to somebody man I think getting inundated may just get them to give it to us. The geographic data was one thing i didnt know, do i just do 4 corners and box in out territory? On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 9:40 PM TJ Trout

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread Steve Jones
i was referring to james post. raining a stink and making it the city and other taxpayers problem for their choices On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 9:26 PM Bill Prince wrote: > I don't know they were mad so much as feeling how stupid they were to have > left the door open. > > bp > > > > On 4/20/2020

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread Ken Hohhof
In their defense, it seems they are testing the entire prison population, whereas other states are only testing those who show symptoms. So the case rate at prisons in other states may be understated. From: AF On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 9:22 PM To: AnimalFarm

Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 STA

2020-04-20 Thread TJ Trout
FYI it's not as simple as the FCC receiving an application and saying "you're approved" . They have to get approval from the incumbent license holders as well as the ntia? For each individual wisp. On Mon, Apr 20, 2020, 7:36 PM TJ Trout wrote: > File Number 0009030232 > > Look up that

Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 STA

2020-04-20 Thread TJ Trout
File Number 0009030232 Look up that file number and copy paste using your irrelevant company and geographical information make sure that you open and view all of the attachments download them edit copy paste with relevant company and geographical information. I'm guessing at this point the STA

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread Bill Prince
When the orange bluffmeister is talking I watch as her eyelids flutter. Interesting to watch... bp On 4/20/2020 7:26 PM, Steve Jones wrote: yes, her. I love that lady. I think she has a collection of solutions in vials just in

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread Bill Prince
On 60 Minutes last night they were talking about the infection rate inside a NY prison (they had been talking about Rikers, but I'm not certain in retrospect that it was specifically Rikers). They said the infection rate among guards was 2:1 versus prisoners.

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread Bill Prince
I don't know they were mad so much as feeling how stupid they were to have left the door open. bp On 4/20/2020 6:09 PM, Steve Jones wrote: I never understood people that want to live near nature, but then get mad because nature

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread Steve Jones
yes, her. I love that lady. I think she has a collection of solutions in vials just in case. like in 12 monkeys On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 9:24 PM Bill Prince wrote: > Deborah Birx. > > > bp > > > On 4/20/2020 6:07 PM, Steve Jones wrote: > > lady with fauci > > -- > AF mailing list >

Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 STA

2020-04-20 Thread Steve Jones
i cant find it when i went to do it it seemed too straight forward for me to have been doing it correctly On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 8:53 PM TJ Trout wrote: > i posted a tutorial on facebook wisp talk, or at least a barebone > tutorial, I guess I'm probably a majority of the reason that no one has

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread Bill Prince
Deborah Birx. bp On 4/20/2020 6:07 PM, Steve Jones wrote: lady with fauci -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread Steve Jones
the problem is prison guards get around, they spend their free time drinking in groups, seeking cocaine and sexing up other peoples wives, theyre one of the worst populations to have an infectious disease On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 8:44 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > 1900 inmates and 150 staff at the

Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan

2020-04-20 Thread Bill Prince
IIRC, we paid each of us $15K/year. That was enough to deflect suspicion, but not so much that it hurt. bp On 4/20/2020 4:17 PM, Keefe John wrote: What's your idea of a token salary in respect to an S-Corp?

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

2020-04-20 Thread Bill Prince
It's kind of fun if you play it at double speed. Plus it only takes about 100 seconds if you do it that way. bp On 4/20/2020 12:04 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Sad...  http://tinyurl.com/2g9mqh

Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 STA

2020-04-20 Thread TJ Trout
i posted a tutorial on facebook wisp talk, or at least a barebone tutorial, I guess I'm probably a majority of the reason that no one has received the STA. I think at this point it's not even worth the keystrokes guys... On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 6:00 PM Steve Jones wrote: > has anyone put

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread Ken Hohhof
1900 inmates and 150 staff at the prison in Marion, Ohio have tested positive. That’s 3/4 of the inmates. That herd is gonna have immunity, but it may be a smaller herd.

Re: [AFMUG] funny - Sierra la Puerta

2020-04-20 Thread Steve Jones
this is why we speak murcan here in merca On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 10:02 AM Jaime Solorza wrote: > Claro que si mi buen Gino...saludos y abrazos > > On Mon, Apr 20, 2020, 3:46 AM Gino A. Villarini wrote: > >> Also, Saw the door… as in the tool… >> >> >> >> *Gino* >> *Villarini

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread Steve Jones
I never understood people that want to live near nature, but then get mad because nature does nature stuff On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 2:34 PM Bill Prince wrote: > One of our neighbors had a coyote waltz into their house (door was open) > and snatch their dachshund. They were sitting at the kitchen

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread Steve Jones
they went through three seasons of it, the lady with fauci even talked about it a couple weeks ago. takes three seasons for the herd to have sufficient natural immunity. On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 7:21 PM Chuck McCown wrote: > The main curves were similar to what we are seeing. > > Sent from my

Re: [AFMUG] Dark Fiber Pricing

2020-04-20 Thread Chris Fabien
I think a yearly maintenance fee is the typical arrangement but have also heard of a strand leesee or maybe IRU owner needing to share a portion of the costs for, say, a cable relocation due to road widening. All depends on the agreement in place. You can also expect to pay their splicer each

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread Robert Andrews
President of J on today show I think a week ago ( time is getting very weird these days ) On 04/20/2020 05:03 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Not that it matters, but where does 2 months come from?

Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 STA

2020-04-20 Thread Steve Jones
has anyone put together a tutorial On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 4:47 PM Gilbert Gutierrez < mailing-li...@phxinternet.com> wrote: > Those of you that applied...What schedules did you attach to your 601 > application? There is a lot with the application and being able to > narrow it down would be a

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread Chuck McCown
The main curves were similar to what we are seeing. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 20, 2020, at 6:02 PM, Robert wrote: > >  And it went from winter of 1917 through summer in 1918 with summer 1917 > almost dying away due to better results in warm weather than Covid-19. The > burst back in

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread Ken Hohhof
Not that it matters, but where does 2 months come from? https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/1-billion-bet-pharma-giant-and-us-go vernment-team-all-out-coronavirus-vaccine-push (And I hope someone is setting up to manufacture 1 billion syringes.) From: AF On Behalf Of Robert Sent:

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread Robert
And it went from winter of 1917 through summer in 1918 with summer 1917 almost dying away due to better results in warm weather than Covid-19.  The burst back in 1918 was apparently pretty nasty.. On 4/20/20 4:51 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Just look at the Spanish flu curves.  They had no

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread Robert
We've had a couple of recent cases of them jumping 6 foot fences and making off with small dogs.  People are putting up the rollers on the edges of the fences to prevent that. On 4/20/20 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote: One of our neighbors had a coyote waltz into their house (door was open)

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread Robert
They will send a female in heat around the male dogs to get them to go out after the female and then kill the dog.   More than a couple around here. On 4/20/20 11:22 AM, Bill Prince wrote: Coyotes around here come close to the houses and try to lure the domestic dogs to join their pack. I'm

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread Robert
The Indians ( big continent ones ) have already said they have a mutation recorded that is less lethal..  But it hasn't been peer reviewed.  So it's yet another twitter rumor level without that.. On 4/20/20 11:08 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Maybe each mutation will make the virus less deadly. 

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread chuck
Just look at the Spanish flu curves. They had no vaccine. They conquered it by quarantine and social distancing. From: Robert Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 5:37 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism Then you don't understand social distancing and

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread Robert
J is proclaiming LOUDLY that they will have 1 Billion doses of vaccine in 2 months.  But it won't be available to administer until testing completes in January.  So IF that vaccine completes testing _successfully_ ( big IF ).  They will be ready for world innoculation ( and they say at no

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread Robert
Then you don't understand social distancing and herd immunity. This is just moving the infection rate out into the future spread over a much longer range.   We still get infected to 70-80% before herd immunity kicks in about 2-3 months _before_ the current schedule of vaccine availability.  

Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan

2020-04-20 Thread Lewis Bergman
Minimum wage On Mon, Apr 20, 2020, 6:18 PM Keefe John wrote: > What's your idea of a token salary in respect to an S-Corp? > > Keefe > > > > On Mon, Apr 20, 2020, 1:21 PM Bill Prince wrote: > >> We did not pay ourselves for the first 2 or 3 years of our S-corp. >> However, our accountant

Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan

2020-04-20 Thread Keefe John
What's your idea of a token salary in respect to an S-Corp? Keefe On Mon, Apr 20, 2020, 1:21 PM Bill Prince wrote: > We did not pay ourselves for the first 2 or 3 years of our S-corp. > However, our accountant advised us to pay ourselves a token salary to avoid > troublesome revenuers. > >

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

2020-04-20 Thread chuck
Finally. From: Steve Jones Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 4:04 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus ha On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 4:41 PM wrote: Sad... http://tinyurl.com/2g9mqh From: Jeff Broadwick - Lists Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 1:00 PM To:

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

2020-04-20 Thread Steve Jones
ha On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 4:41 PM wrote: > Sad... http://tinyurl.com/2g9mqh > > *From:* Jeff Broadwick - Lists > *Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 1:00 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus > > Only after Pearl Harbor...and the Nazi’s foolishly declaring

[AFMUG] 5.9 STA

2020-04-20 Thread Gilbert Gutierrez
Those of you that applied...What schedules did you attach to your 601 application? There is a lot with the application and being able to narrow it down would be a help. Gilbert -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Is PRI voice still a thing?

2020-04-20 Thread Lewis Bergman
We have several LTE backup customers. If you leave it in an "active" state you can pull the plug and nobody knows the difference. It uses a lot of data so most of ours settle for the roughly 10 second reregistration if the setup that cheers almost no data. On Mon, Apr 20, 2020, 3:29 PM Daniel

Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan

2020-04-20 Thread chuck
Me too. From: Bruce Robertson Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 2:53 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan That's almost exactly how my company started. On 4/20/20 12:38 PM, Bill Prince wrote: Ours was. We just wanted broadband at the time (we have a 73,000' line to the

Re: [AFMUG] Dark Fiber Pricing

2020-04-20 Thread Nate Burke
So do you only pay for the dark fiber for the physical cable length that they have it, Like Splice box to splice box, then you put a pig tail on the end of that. Or Would the 'Connection' cost be for every splice box they have to go through. Say, a connection from City A to City C, but the

Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan

2020-04-20 Thread Bruce Robertson
That's almost exactly how my company started. On 4/20/20 12:38 PM, Bill Prince wrote: Ours was. We just wanted broadband at the time (we have a 73,000' line to the nearest CO and dialup got us 26 Kbps on a good day). When I first learned of the last mile problem, I realized that conventional

Re: [AFMUG] Is PRI voice still a thing?

2020-04-20 Thread Daniel White
Assuming the LTE signal is good it shouldn't be too big of an issue.  I've not done any real testing with an active SIP session but I might give that a shot soon. Thank you, photograph Daniel White Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702)

Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan

2020-04-20 Thread Bill Prince
Ours was. We just wanted broadband at the time (we have a 73,000' line to the nearest CO and dialup got us 26 Kbps on a good day). When I first learned of the last mile problem, I realized that conventional wired broadband would probably not happen here in my

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread Bill Prince
One of our neighbors had a coyote waltz into their house (door was open) and snatch their dachshund. They were sitting at the kitchen table and were dumbfounded while they watched their little wiener dog disappear forever. bp On 4/20/2020 11:35 AM,

Re: [AFMUG] Dark Fiber Pricing

2020-04-20 Thread Adam Moffett
In my experience you pay a recurring maintenance fee to cover repairs and such. You don't get to access their cases, so you leave them a pigtail and they splice it into their system.  Often you pay each time you need them to make a connection for you (hopefully just the once). On 4/20/2020

Re: [AFMUG] Dark Fiber Pricing

2020-04-20 Thread Nate Burke
I'm not in the dark fiber game, but what do you mean by 'per-event' billing? Like if there's a fiber cut, you're responsible for part of the repair cost? Or is that for like accessing the electronics on the ends of the fiber. On 4/20/2020 2:10 PM, Chris Fabien wrote: Those seem like fair

Re: [AFMUG] Dark Fiber Pricing

2020-04-20 Thread Adam Moffett
Comparable to what I've seen before. It seems nuts when you multiply it out over 30 miles, but not as nuts as building it. On 4/20/2020 2:44 PM, Jeremy Grip wrote: Can anybody give me an idea of reasonable dark fiber pricing per strand mile? I’m trying to figure out if the rates Vermont

Re: [AFMUG] Dark Fiber Pricing

2020-04-20 Thread Chris Fabien
Those seem like fair rates, is that all inclusive or will you also get billed for maintenance annually or per-event? On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 2:44 PM Jeremy Grip wrote: > Can anybody give me an idea of reasonable dark fiber pricing per strand > mile? I’m trying to figure out if the rates Vermont

Re: [AFMUG] Dark Fiber Pricing

2020-04-20 Thread Sterling Jacobson
That’s not bad, on par with some long term dark fiber rental contracts I have currently. From: AF On Behalf Of Jeremy Grip Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 12:44 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: [AFMUG] Dark Fiber Pricing Can anybody give me an idea of reasonable dark fiber

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

2020-04-20 Thread chuck
Sad... http://tinyurl.com/2g9mqh From: Jeff Broadwick - Lists Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 1:00 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus Only after Pearl Harbor...and the Nazi’s foolishly declaring war on the US in the immediate aftermath. Jeff Broadwick

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

2020-04-20 Thread Jeff Broadwick - Lists
Only after Pearl Harbor...and the Nazi’s foolishly declaring war on the US in the immediate aftermath. Jeff Broadwick CTIconnect 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell jbroadw...@cticonnect.com > On Apr 20, 2020, at 12:38 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > >  > Just contrasting the current situation

Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan

2020-04-20 Thread chuck
Most WISPS started as a side hustle I think. From: Bill Prince Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 12:20 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan We did not pay ourselves for the first 2 or 3 years of our S-corp. However, our accountant advised us to pay ourselves a token salary

Re: [AFMUG] Dark Fiber Pricing

2020-04-20 Thread chuck
Does not look bad to me. From: Jeremy Grip Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 12:44 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: [AFMUG] Dark Fiber Pricing Can anybody give me an idea of reasonable dark fiber pricing per strand mile? I’m trying to figure out if the rates Vermont asks for

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread chuck
Around here they are looking for a cat snack. From: Bill Prince Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 12:22 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism Coyotes around here come close to the houses and try to lure the domestic dogs to join their pack. I'm sure that

[AFMUG] Dark Fiber Pricing

2020-04-20 Thread Jeremy Grip
Can anybody give me an idea of reasonable dark fiber pricing per strand mile? I’m trying to figure out if the rates Vermont asks for state-owned fiber are reasonable, see the attached. Jeremy Grip, LTLOP (long time lurker, occasional poster) -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread James Howard
My in-laws’ lot backs up to a “nature preserve” in a city nearby us. They used to have coyotes in the back yard all the time. The neighbors started complaining to the city because all their cats were disappearing. One neighbor had their black lab mauled by the coyotes and the next house down

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread Bill Prince
Coyotes around here come close to the houses and try to lure the domestic dogs to join their pack. I'm sure that would go well. bp On 4/20/2020 11:17 AM, James Howard wrote: You could

Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan

2020-04-20 Thread James Howard
I think Josh is referring to a situation typically in an LLC or S-Corp where someone runs the company but takes little or no salary and then takes large distributions to avoid FICA and social security. From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Monday, April

Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan

2020-04-20 Thread Bill Prince
We did not pay ourselves for the first 2 or 3 years of our S-corp. However, our accountant advised us to pay ourselves a token salary to avoid troublesome revenuers. bp On 4/20/2020 11:17 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan

2020-04-20 Thread chuck
Corporation I am a minority shareholder. My wife is the majority shareholder. But you still don’t have to pay shareholders anything. If they are on the board of directors they can earn a directors fee. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 12:04 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread James Howard
You could record that from my back deck most nights of the week. Thankfully they don’t seem to come close to our buildings for some reason. My neighbor said he got a pic of 12 of them eating an adult deer about half way down his driveway a couple of years ago. We never knew if the deer was

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread Ken Hohhof
Maybe each mutation will make the virus less deadly. Ever see the movie Multiplicity? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiplicity_(film) From: AF On Behalf Of dave Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 12:50 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism It

Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan

2020-04-20 Thread Josh Luthman
I thought it was bad to have a business and not pay the owners "a reasonable salary". Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 12:46 PM wrote: > dunno... Why pay FICA for myself when I don’t need to? I can take a

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread dave
It mutating and soon im sure the mutation could have the same affect as the walking dead. On 4/20/20 11:08 AM, Bill Prince wrote: I think fall is overly optimistic. That would barely be enough to get through early testing. Early 2021 is my bet for the earliest availability of an actual

Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan

2020-04-20 Thread chuck
Thanks From: Lewis Bergman Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:20 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan I doubt this attachment will make it through but here is a checklist from the SBA for PPP forgiveness. Just in case the attachment is stripped, here it

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread Steve Jones
Do you remember the Beverly hillbillies episode where the greedy banker was working to get grannies cure for the common cold? I'm pretty sure at the end of the day, it will be grannies cure On Mon, Apr 20, 2020, 11:34 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: > What are the treatments that are now working? I try

Re: [AFMUG] customers with repeat DDoS attacks

2020-04-20 Thread Steve Jones
Buzz Aldrin thumping that jerkoff is probably one of the greatest american moments in my life. Guys that strapped themselves to missiles so they could ride around in rocket powered coffins to be able to jump around on space rocks wearing a fishbowl arent really the onesnid consider talking smack

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

2020-04-20 Thread Steve Jones
I always thought jabroni was a derogatory term for an italian. Learn something new every day On Mon, Apr 20, 2020, 12:06 PM wrote: > I had to look it up: > ja·bro·ni > /jəˈbrōnē/ > *noun* > INFORMAL•US > >1. a foolish or contemptible person. >"get it together, you jabronis" > > >

Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan

2020-04-20 Thread Lewis Bergman
I doubt this attachment will make it through but here is a checklist from the SBA for PPP forgiveness. Just in case the attachment is stripped, here it is below: This information will be needed to present to the bank or SBA for Loan Forgiveness: 1. Copies of payroll tax reports file with the

Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan

2020-04-20 Thread Ken Hohhof
Maybe there’ll be a robot bartender, and you can find Jennifer Lawrence’s pod and awaken her. Oh wait, wrong movie. I was actually thinking of Elon Musk, isn’t he going to send a bunch of people on one-way trips to Mars? Tell him you’re diabetic and he needs to stock something low-carb to

Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan

2020-04-20 Thread Bill Prince
That's only necessary if you have a big wind storm that forces you to abandon the planet, and according to NdGT, that ain't gonna happen. bp On 4/20/2020 10:05 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread Bill Prince
That was it. bp On 4/20/2020 9:46 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: ECMO?     From: AF On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Monday, April 20,

Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan

2020-04-20 Thread chuck
Not into growing potatoes in poop. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:02 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan Time to book that trip to Mars. From: AF On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:46 AM To: AnimalFarm

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

2020-04-20 Thread chuck
I had to look it up: ja·bro·ni /jəˈbrōnē/ noun INFORMAL•US 1.. a foolish or contemptible person. "get it together, you jabronis" From: Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:01 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus All the news about WW2 came from the government.

Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan

2020-04-20 Thread Ken Hohhof
Time to book that trip to Mars. From: AF On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:46 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan dunno... Why pay FICA for myself when I don’t need to? I can take a repayment on notes payable if I

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

2020-04-20 Thread Adam Moffett
All the news about WW2 came from the government. Perhaps it would have gone differently if you had a bunch of bobble heads on TV giving a play by play and giving their personal commentary. In Vietnam they embedded reporters with the troops, and that dramatically affected how the war was

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

2020-04-20 Thread Steve Jones
I wish fauci would be able to handle this from a completely sterile scientific standpoint. But the media would not approve of what would be required. I dont think I'd care for it either. Listen to the scientists sounds pretty, until you actually listen to them. The best way to eliminate almost

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread Ken Hohhof
ECMO? From: AF On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:41 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism Instead of ventilators, they are just giving oxygen in a couple of different ways. There was an acronym that was mentioned in one

Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan

2020-04-20 Thread chuck
dunno... Why pay FICA for myself when I don’t need to? I can take a repayment on notes payable if I want money without any tax implication. Or I can take a directors fee without FICA if I want to take money. But what in the hell am I going to do with a bunch of money in my checking

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

2020-04-20 Thread Ken Hohhof
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/british-bakers-reintroduce-world-war-ii-bread-coronavirus-fight-n1180536 From: AF On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:38 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus Just contrasting the current situation to what I know

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread Bill Prince
Instead of ventilators, they are just giving oxygen in a couple of different ways. There was an acronym that was mentioned in one of the articles I read, but I can't recall what it was except it had an "O" in it (for oxygen). The big issue with dialysis is that

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread chuck
I think Rita Wilson and Tom Hanks got the malaria drug. They don’t know if it worked but they felt better after getting it. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:33 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism What are the

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread castarritt .
That sounds like a recipe for community spread of the Ragingthunderflu-April-2020, May-2020, June-2020... On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 11:18 AM wrote: > Harem immunity. > > *From:* castarritt . > *Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 10:09 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re:

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

2020-04-20 Thread Ken Hohhof
In Europe, Germany is being held up as doing the right things. As opposed to Italy, Spain, France. What I didn’t realize was that Angela Merkel was a former scientist. Nerds rule! Fauci for President!

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2020-04-20 Thread Josh Luthman
Why were you not? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 11:19 AM wrote: > We are still going to keep it sequestered. I should have been paying > myself... > > *From:* Josh Luthman > *Sent:* Monday, April 20,

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

2020-04-20 Thread chuck
Just contrasting the current situation to what I know about WWII. Everyone seemed to get behind the war effort irrespective of politics. I came of age during Vietnam. So we had the polar opposite of that in those years. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:24 AM To:

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread Mike Hammett
I think Bill Gates said his foundation was going to fund full production lines of the top 7 or so vaccines ASAP, scrapping all but the one or two eventually chosen to actually treat the world with. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread Ken Hohhof
What are the treatments that are now working? I try to be optimistic about antivirals and convalescent plasma, but right now they mainly have ventilators, which honestly aren't very successful if 70-80% of the people die. They keep doing that because it's the textbook therapy for respiratory

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

2020-04-20 Thread Steve Jones
It would not be a correct assumption that this man is telling the truth. He may very well have gotten the cargo shipment. He's 100 percent lying about the ppe shortage at the chicago hospitals, this comes from nurses there, not politicians and administrators. He lied about getting the wrong masks

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

2020-04-20 Thread Adam Moffett
The funny thing is when you talk about politicizing a crisis, everyone thinks you're talking about someone else but not them. It's everyone and it always will be. Every elected person has to address every situation with the mentality of "what will voters want me to do?".  Or perhaps, "what do

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread Bill Prince
Time will tell based on whether it actually starts declining in a meaningful way, or whether we're going to bump along for a bit. Remember, the goal was to flatten the curve; it wasn't necessarily going to reduce the number of infections. I get the impression

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread chuck
Harem immunity. From: castarritt . Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:09 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism I said herd immunity, but brood immunity does sound cooler. On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 11:07 AM Adam Moffett wrote: Why are

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread Bill Prince
We got this at 20:00 last night. bp On 4/20/2020 9:07 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: Why are we mooing? Can I cluck like a chicken instead? On 4/20/2020 12:05 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread castarritt .
I said herd immunity, but brood immunity does sound cooler. On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 11:07 AM Adam Moffett wrote: > Why are we mooing? > > Can I cluck like a chicken instead? > > > On 4/20/2020 12:05 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > > Moo > > *From:* castarritt . > *Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread Bill Prince
I think fall is overly optimistic. That would barely be enough to get through early testing. Early 2021 is my bet for the earliest availability of an actual vaccine. bp On 4/20/2020 9:05 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread Adam Moffett
Why are we mooing? Can I cluck like a chicken instead? On 4/20/2020 12:05 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Moo *From:* castarritt . *Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 10:04 AM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism It's looking like the doctors

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread chuck
Hopefully we will have a vaccine by fall. Hopefully they will have sorted out what treatments work by July. Hopefully lotsa good testing by June. But baseball seems to be totally f*cked. Hopefully not college football too... From: Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 9:49 AM To:

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread chuck
Moo From: castarritt . Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:04 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism It's looking like the doctors have come up with reasonably effective treatment methods, so I bet we will slowly relax social distancing in

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