Re: [AFMUG] OT - political

2020-07-19 Thread Steve Jones
It's about November. It's about maintaining a constant state 9f exhaustion. There isnt any actual cause behind it On Sun, Jul 19, 2020, 7:00 PM wrote: > The whole occupy whatever, set fire to whatever, irrespective of the > adopted noble cause seems like a way to get away with being hooligans an

Re: [AFMUG] OT - political

2020-07-19 Thread chuck
The whole occupy whatever, set fire to whatever, irrespective of the adopted noble cause seems like a way to get away with being hooligans and spinning it as some form of justifiable act. I guess so they can have bragging rights later on. I believe them to be disingenuous and hypocritical.

Re: [AFMUG] OT - political

2020-07-19 Thread Ken Hohhof
“Peaceful protesters hold signs in support of other people” doesn’t make the news. So most likely you are thinking of a small percentage of the protesters, because they are the ones who make the news. I’m not saying it’s “fake news”, just that boring news doesn’t get ratings and advertising do

Re: [AFMUG] OT - political

2020-07-19 Thread Bill Prince
I always say it's probably best to go to the most local source you can find: https://www.opb.org/news/article/police-violence-portland-protest-federal-officers/ bp On 7/19/2020 1:48 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] OT - political

2020-07-19 Thread Colin Stanners
www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/anti-fascist-teenagers-seeking-revolution-behind-continued-portland-riots I don't want to encourage political threads on AFMUG but... Some people just want to watch the world burn. Current situations in the world mean that those people can tag onto a reason or (pre

[AFMUG] OT - political

2020-07-19 Thread chuck
Not trying to break lent, but I am lacking understanding. What are the young white kids rioting about in Portland? I am from Oregon, I remember protests in the 60s and 70s over Vietnam. I also remember a line of State Police walking through a park downtown and busting heads of those that did n

Re: [AFMUG] Splice Case Documentation

2020-07-19 Thread chuck
I don’t mind making my own staking sheets with autocad but if it is easier to use, that would be nice. The thing I am most interested in is keeping track of the OSP strand splicing etc. If I need to provide service to a new location, which strand should I use. Right now I have all my splitte

Re: [AFMUG] Splice Case Documentation

2020-07-19 Thread Jon Langeler
He’ll run you through it for free. You might get to deal with Glenn :) Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Jul 19, 2020, at 1:12 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > >  > I wish they would give me a test drive. > > From: Jon Langeler > Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2020 10:20 AM > To: AnimalFarm

Re: [AFMUG] Federated Wireless SAS outage?

2020-07-19 Thread chuck
I am talking BGP where the world would try to use you for everything. Everything came to a halt several times due to misconfigured routers. -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2020 1:46 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Federated Wireless SAS outage

Re: [AFMUG] Federated Wireless SAS outage?

2020-07-19 Thread Robert Andrews
Um, how about a router with a _list_ of all IP's? On 07/19/2020 12:09 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Remember back in the early days (OK some of you were probably too young) when you truly could advertise your router as being able to route all IPs? -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof Sent:

Re: [AFMUG] Federated Wireless SAS outage?

2020-07-19 Thread chuck
Remember back in the early days (OK some of you were probably too young) when you truly could advertise your router as being able to route all IPs? -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2020 12:45 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Feder

Re: [AFMUG] Still watching TV with one eye

2020-07-19 Thread chuck
Your one eye needs some reward. From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2020 12:05 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: [AFMUG] Still watching TV with one eye Some dumb show but -- AF mailin

Re: [AFMUG] Federated Wireless SAS outage?

2020-07-19 Thread Ken Hohhof
Probably the idea is they offer large scale geographic diversity, and DDoS attack mitigation. But it shakes your confidence when one person can type one wrong line into the config of one router and screw up the whole supposedly resilient network. -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf

Re: [AFMUG] Federated Wireless SAS outage?

2020-07-19 Thread Robert
Because someone "knows better"   Those who don't learn from history On 7/19/20 10:18 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote: On 7/19/20 8:42 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: The idea seems to be that you are outsourcing your redundancy to a big company like Cloudflare or Amazon that can do it better than you co

Re: [AFMUG] Federated Wireless SAS outage?

2020-07-19 Thread Mike Hammett
For authoritative DNS, have a hidden master DNS server on your network that transfers your zones to multiple anycast DNS providers (such as Hurricane Electric and ClouDNS). Only put the nameservers they give you in your domain name and RIR nameserver entries. It's unlikely two completely separat

Re: [AFMUG] Federated Wireless SAS outage?

2020-07-19 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 7/19/20 8:42 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: The idea seems to be that you are outsourcing your redundancy to a big company like Cloudflare or Amazon that can do it better than you could, or at least has more resources. A quick read of some of the discussion lists indicates that you can’t run Cloudf

Re: [AFMUG] Splice Case Documentation

2020-07-19 Thread chuck
I wish they would give me a test drive. From: Jon Langeler Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2020 10:20 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Splice Case Documentation It’s the simplicity and time savings. If you already have experience with cad, then your way might be better J

Re: [AFMUG] Splice Case Documentation

2020-07-19 Thread Jon Langeler
It’s the simplicity and time savings. If you already have experience with cad, then your way might be better Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Jul 19, 2020, at 11:39 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > >  > That sounds expensive. I use Autocad LT subscription. $55/month Could use > D

Re: [AFMUG] Federated Wireless SAS outage?

2020-07-19 Thread Cassidy B. Larson
We run our cnMaestro on prem. It still phones home to the sas.cbrs.cambiumnetworks.com rather than our Google SAS provider directly. Just search for “AWS Outage”, “Route53 Outage”, or “Cloudflare outage” and you’ll see they all seem to have an outage now and again. Unfortunately, when one of t

Re: [AFMUG] OT: What we all need is a robot barber

2020-07-19 Thread Ken Hohhof
And then there’s Flippy: https://techcrunch.com/2020/07/14/white-castle-becomes-the-first-fast-food-chain-to-test-out-the-robot-fry-cook-flippy-from-miso-robotics/ From: AF On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2020 9:25 AM To: AFMUG Subject: [AFMUG] OT: What we all need is a ro

Re: [AFMUG] Federated Wireless SAS outage?

2020-07-19 Thread Bill Prince
Sounds like it's time for secure DNS (DNSSEC)? bp On 7/19/2020 8:42 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: The idea seems to be that you are outsourcing your redundancy to a big company like Cloudflare or Amazon that c

Re: [AFMUG] Federated Wireless SAS outage?

2020-07-19 Thread Ken Hohhof
The idea seems to be that you are outsourcing your redundancy to a big company like Cloudflare or Amazon that can do it better than you could, or at least has more resources. A quick read of some of the discussion lists indicates that you can’t run Cloudflare DNS and something else for redun

Re: [AFMUG] Splice Case Documentation

2020-07-19 Thread chuck
That sounds expensive. I use Autocad LT subscription. $55/month Could use DraftSight for even less. From: Jon Langeler Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2020 9:26 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Splice Case Documentation It’s on the website. $250/mo I believe for the pac

Re: [AFMUG] Splice Case Documentation

2020-07-19 Thread Jon Langeler
It’s on the website. $250/mo I believe for the package we have. But we are able to spit out our own stake sheets and everything. Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Jul 19, 2020, at 10:49 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > >  > What is the cost? > > From: Jon Langeler > Sent: Sunday, Ju

Re: [AFMUG] Splice Case Documentation

2020-07-19 Thread chuck
What is the cost? From: Jon Langeler Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2020 8:27 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Splice Case Documentation This one is great and reasonable https://www.mapitright.com/ Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. On Jul 18, 2020, at 12:27

Re: [AFMUG] Splice Case Documentation

2020-07-19 Thread Jon Langeler
This one is great and reasonable https://www.mapitright.com/ Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Jul 18, 2020, at 12:27 PM, Jason McKemie > wrote: > > Does anyone have any recommendations on what to use for this? Vetro fibermap > has a nice integrated system, I just can't justif

[AFMUG] OT: What we all need is a robot barber

2020-07-19 Thread Bill Prince
Boyish-looking engineer builds a robot barber: https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/robots/a33349735/robot-barber-quarantine-haircut/ -- bp -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.af

Re: [AFMUG] Federated Wireless SAS outage?

2020-07-19 Thread Dave
Well sheet... Bunch of windoze Hooie if ya ask me :) If this is to be soo critical better start thinking like mil spec NBC resilient type infrastructure other wise yes it dies. On 7/17/2020 9:14 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I think maybe they use AWS for DNS, but that Cloudflare is doing attack m

Re: [AFMUG] Federated Wireless SAS outage?

2020-07-19 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 7/19/20 5:37 AM, Steve Jones wrote: It's a bit disturbing that a nobody, podunk wisp in illinois has redundant DNs but some people with broader shoulders do not. Because they think if you throw all your eggs into the single cloud basket, it's too big to break. -- AF mailing list AF@af.af

Re: [AFMUG] Federated Wireless SAS outage?

2020-07-19 Thread Steve Jones
It's a bit disturbing that a nobody, podunk wisp in illinois has redundant DNs but some people with broader shoulders do not. Also, I was sleeping on the porch and it began to rain on me, I think god was telling me something. I think it was to have redundant dns On Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 9:15 PM Ken