Re: [AFMUG] AWS issues?

2021-12-15 Thread Jason McKemie
Any word on what actually happened? On Wednesday, December 15, 2021, Mike Hammett wrote: > It appears to extend beyond AWS as things that don't have AWS in the mix > are affected as well. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions >

Re: [AFMUG] AWS issues?

2021-12-15 Thread Steve Jones
cant manage amazon prime cards. thats awesome. i didnt want to pay them anyway On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 10:39 AM Colin Stanners wrote: > "What happens to the Cloud when it rains?" > > On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 9:43 AM Cameron Crum wrote: > >> Anyone else seeing real slowness from AWS DBs this

Re: [AFMUG] IPv6 in home routers

2021-12-15 Thread Mike Hammett
It is, really, it is. Millions upon millions of end users are connected successfully with it. Some vendors are just shitty and need to be avoided. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From:

Re: [AFMUG] IPv6 in home routers

2021-12-15 Thread dmmoffett
Ok, I understand what you're saying. The end user only cares whether their thing works or doesn't work. If it doesn't work due to NAT or doesn't work due to a default "drop all" rule in a firewall they don't know difference and don't care. I concede that 100%. But still: 1) I may or may not

Re: [AFMUG] AWS issues?

2021-12-15 Thread Robert
Listed in one of my other groups as a fiber cut... On 12/15/21 8:35 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: It appears to extend beyond AWS as things that don't have AWS in the mix are affected as well. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions

Re: [AFMUG] AWS issues?

2021-12-15 Thread Colin Stanners
"What happens to the Cloud when it rains?" On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 9:43 AM Cameron Crum wrote: > Anyone else seeing real slowness from AWS DBs this morning? I couldn't > even load the dashboard a while ago, but now it comes up. Their status says > everything is fine but even simple queries f

Re: [AFMUG] AWS issues?

2021-12-15 Thread Mike Hammett
It appears to extend beyond AWS as things that don't have AWS in the mix are affected as well. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Cameron Crum" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"

Re: [AFMUG] AWS issues?

2021-12-15 Thread Craig Baird
Yep. Major AWS outage this morning--west coast from what I've been able to see. I know UniFi portal was down, as was Calix Cloud. I have a few hotel customers who lost their cloud based property management systems. Still seems mostly down at the moment. Stuff is bouncing in UniFi portal. Craig O

Re: [AFMUG] IPv6 in home routers

2021-12-15 Thread Matt Hoppes
Let me try again... IPv6 is suppose to give every device it's own public IP address. End users have devices on their network that are just waiting to be compromised and most users are not smart enough nor do they care enough to play with the firewall. Therefore, we block inbound traffic on

Re: [AFMUG] IPv6 in home routers

2021-12-15 Thread dmmoffett
I'm not sure what you're talking about tbh. You can use SLACC or DHCP to get an IP address on the WAN side, but you must do prefix delegation to push IP's to the LAN side. It's different, but it's not more difficult. What I'm observing is routers that don't have IPv6 at all, or haven't bothered

Re: [AFMUG] IPv6 in home routers

2021-12-15 Thread Matt Hoppes
We can argue about that all day, but I would say it is when the average user doesn't have a clue what they are doing to secure their home network. No need to give devices public IPs. They phone out to cloud services and are connected. On 12/15/21 11:15 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: Again we're tal

Re: [AFMUG] IPv6 in home routers

2021-12-15 Thread Adam Moffett
Again we're talking about manufacturers not paying attention to it.  It's pretty standard for a home router to have a default set of firewall rules /in addition/ to NAT.  The fact that they didn't bother to have a default set of IPv6 rules isn't a flaw in the protocol itself. On 12/15/2021 11:

Re: [AFMUG] IPv6 in home routers

2021-12-15 Thread Matt Hoppes
Because it's not straight forward to deploy. On 12/15/21 11:11 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: I don't think we're talking about flaws in the protocol.  I think we're talking about it being a secondary concern for manufacturers so they're not putting enough attention into it. On 12/15/2021 11:06 AM,

Re: [AFMUG] IPv6 in home routers

2021-12-15 Thread Adam Moffett
I don't think we're talking about flaws in the protocol.  I think we're talking about it being a secondary concern for manufacturers so they're not putting enough attention into it. On 12/15/2021 11:06 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote: Correct. We still don't know how to properly hand out IPv6 to end us

Re: [AFMUG] IPv6 in home routers

2021-12-15 Thread Matt Hoppes
Exactly why we NAT on IPv4 for all residential connections. The end user is not capable of protecting their home network properly. Nothing gets in unless it's explicitly requested. I know NAT is not a firewall in and of itself, but the simple process of using NAT at the end user CPE stops a

Re: [AFMUG] IPv6 in home routers

2021-12-15 Thread Matt Hoppes
Correct. We still don't know how to properly hand out IPv6 to end users, and routers have issues doing it. The protocol stack is a flawed implementation. On 12/13/21 4:51 PM, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: I was doing some testing on our dual stack FTTX network. I grabbed a CnPilot R201P off th

Re: [AFMUG] IPv6 in home routers

2021-12-15 Thread Adam Moffett
Yeah this topic is a whole 'nother kettle of fish. I'm generally in favor of providing the customer a router for a nominal fee.  Like $5-10/month for a router as a service.  I like the visibility to be able to see which specific device is consuming the whole pipe, or to see if a connectivity

Re: [AFMUG] IPv6 in home routers

2021-12-15 Thread Mike Hammett
"Customer owning the router fixes those issues." As long as the customer is involved in anything at all (kind of hard to avoid), expect problems. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From

Re: [AFMUG] IPv6 in home routers

2021-12-15 Thread Colin Stanners
Because they / their IT person are smart at avoiding problems. Most ISP-provided routers aren't setup (or the customer is not knowledgeable enough) by someone to be following the same wireless settings (or, for more advanced cases, port forwarding rules) as the previous router, so customers find r

Re: [AFMUG] AWS issues?

2021-12-15 Thread Adam Moffett
Spikes on down detector would seem to agree with your observation. On 12/15/2021 10:41 AM, Cameron Crum wrote: Anyone else seeing real slowness from AWS DBs this morning? I couldn't even load the dashboard a while ago, but now it comes up. Their status says everything is fine but even simple q

[AFMUG] AWS issues?

2021-12-15 Thread Cameron Crum
Anyone else seeing real slowness from AWS DBs this morning? I couldn't even load the dashboard a while ago, but now it comes up. Their status says everything is fine but even simple queries from multiple sources are taking minutes to execute. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/

Re: [AFMUG] IPv6 in home routers

2021-12-15 Thread dmmoffett
I hadn’t considered that. I suppose it would be very time consuming to scan even a /64. From: AF On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2021 7:23 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv6 in home routers Well, it IS a lot more sparse than I