Re: [AFMUG] mail servers

2023-03-10 Thread Darin Steffl
Jan, I don't recall any hacks or data breaches to Google at all. I've seen plenty of other platforms with breaches like t-mobile but Google is pretty secure. I think you're acting a little paranoid in protecting your phone number. I can pay some online service and get your home address, phone numb

Re: [AFMUG] mail servers

2023-03-10 Thread Josh Baird
DKIM/SPF/DFMARC aren't "made-up standards" from Google. On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 4:31 PM Jan-GAMs wrote: > I don't see how you come to the conclusion that my paid for mail service > is supposed to have recently imposed made-up standards from google that > comply only with google as some sort of l

Re: [AFMUG] mail servers

2023-03-10 Thread Steve Jones
dkim has been around since 2004, nothing new about it. Its nothing to do with google. dkim checks are a standard across all legitimate platforms (also mail.com, fyi). On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 3:31 PM Jan-GAMs wrote: > I don't see how you come to the conclusion that my paid for mail service > is s

Re: [AFMUG] mail servers

2023-03-10 Thread Jan-GAMs
I don't see how you come to the conclusion that my paid for mail service is supposed to have recently imposed made-up standards from google that comply only with google as some sort of long-standing standard.  It's a recent standard imposed by google.  And I'm never going to willingly give goog

Re: [AFMUG] mail servers

2023-03-10 Thread Darin Steffl
Jan, It appears that what you shared demonstrates that mail.com isn't following proper procedure for sending emails. You need to pass SPF and DKIM at a minimum and ideally DMARC, which we just implemented too with our Gsuite account. This also allows our billing system to send emails on our behalf

Re: [AFMUG] mail servers

2023-03-10 Thread Steve Jones
if you had followed your email providers instructions, you wouldnt have created your own problems. spam is floating score based. bulk/public/free/spamhost email providers have high scores to start. proper spf loweres it, lack of dkim raises it, lack of dmarc raises it, content cn raise it, all the

Re: [AFMUG] mail servers

2023-03-10 Thread Steve Jones
https://kb.easydns.com/knowledge/easymail-spf-and-dkim-records/ cant tell if mailcom and easymail.ca are the same thing, but if it is, you can drastically help yourself by setting up DKIM and corresponding dmarc. dont use words like viagra in emails either On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 1:36 PM Steve Jon

Re: [AFMUG] mail servers

2023-03-10 Thread Steve Jones
probably should use a mail server thats not still operating like they were that long ago. SPF failures, no DKIM in a day where both are required for deliverability. you dont have your domain configured correctly either, so that part is on you. Its odd how much someone will fight for the right to a

Re: [AFMUG] mail servers

2023-03-10 Thread Seth Mattinen via AF
On 3/10/23 10:55 AM, Steve Jones wrote: grnacres.net doesnt have dkim nor a dmarc record. Thats bad domain deliverability practice, nothing to do with the mailhost perse, but if mail.com doesnt support dkim, its a trash mail host like sherweb. Cant blame

Re: [AFMUG] mail servers

2023-03-10 Thread Jan-GAMs
So, since grnacres doesn't have dkim or dmarc records, they should be getting bounced like the mail.com records too.  I don't have any control over the mail servers.  I rent the service "easymail" along with the domain name from easydns.  You know, it sounds to me more like google is a terroris

Re: [AFMUG] mail servers

2023-03-10 Thread Jan-GAMs
These are mail delivery failures.  From mail.com to gmail.com. Gmail is blocking mail.com.  I nor my wife can send from mail.com to gmail.com. I been using mail.com for decades, long before google ever thought of doing the same thing.    Mail.com was and still is, free. Mail.com has not been

Re: [AFMUG] mail servers

2023-03-10 Thread Steve Jones
so this shows the problem not being a gmail problem, but a sending domain problem. Its no different than web browsers blocking access to unsupported antiquated ciphers or old java interfaces. Thats not the browsers fault for following current best practices, its the target items fault for not bein

Re: [AFMUG] mail servers

2023-03-10 Thread Steve Jones
grnacres.net doesnt have dkim nor a dmarc record. Thats bad domain deliverability practice, nothing to do with the mailhost perse, but if mail.com doesnt support dkim, its a trash mail host like sherweb. Cant blame recipient mail servers when the root issue is the sending server isnt current. Its l

Re: [AFMUG] mail servers

2023-03-10 Thread Steve Jones
X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:b0d9:b0:8af:3519:ea1 with SMTP id bk25-20020a170906b0d900b008af35190ea1mr29983208ejb.57.1678462982507; Fri, 10 Mar 2023 07:43:02 -0800 (PST) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1678462982; cv=none; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; b=bJKHFyjF+9UzBXciF4y3cY

Re: [AFMUG] mail servers

2023-03-10 Thread Steve Jones
nope, this gmail account is standard free account. Im probably special cause all my communications get routed through the FBI servers for my online antics On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 12:33 PM Jan-GAMs wrote: > it was a test. Only the ones addressed to you went through. The others > tested, bounce

Re: [AFMUG] mail servers

2023-03-10 Thread Jan-GAMs
The following is what I get when I send to anybody with a gmail email EXCEPTION YOU! And you're right about the other stuff cause it gets mentioned in the failure notice. t...@gmail.com is my wife's address that failed, I didn't want that out there in a public forum. mail.com mail to her ge

Re: [AFMUG] mail servers

2023-03-10 Thread Steve Jones
DKIM FTW!! I absolutely hate that we use Sherweb for the rackspace hosted exchange move. Sherweb doesnt do DKIM and now we see deliverability issues, pisses me off when bad decisions are made. Sure, Rackspace may have given all the PSTs to china, but at least they had solid DKIM On Fri, Mar 10, 20

Re: [AFMUG] mail servers

2023-03-10 Thread Jan-GAMs
it was a test.  Only the ones addressed to you went through.  The others tested, bounced.  Your address is different somehow.  You mentioned your gmail is a paid-for account, the others that bounced were the free-gmail type accounts one gets by logging into google.  The emails were sent from ma

Re: [AFMUG] mail servers

2023-03-10 Thread Darin Steffl
I've never heard of mail.com but I can assure you Gmail doesn't block emails that are legitimate and follow proper SPF and DKIM configurations. I receive all emails from people I'm expecting to receive. The only ones that end up in spam seem to "host" their own email and don't follow best practice

Re: [AFMUG] mail servers

2023-03-10 Thread Steve Jones
i got your spam emails this morning On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 11:04 AM wrote: > Apparently nobody on gmail has noticed > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Jan-GAMs > *Sent:* Friday, March 10, 2023 10:32 AM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mail servers > > > > All mail.com users ca

Re: [AFMUG] mail servers

2023-03-10 Thread dmmoffett
Apparently nobody on gmail has noticed From: AF On Behalf Of Jan-GAMs Sent: Friday, March 10, 2023 10:32 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mail servers All mail.com users cannot send you email. How many other's are blocked as well? Oblivion, must be sweet. On 3/9/23 20:14, D

Re: [AFMUG] mail servers

2023-03-10 Thread Jan-GAMs
 All mail.com users cannot send you email.  How many other's are blocked as well?  Oblivion, must be sweet. On 3/9/23 20:14, Darin Steffl wrote: Gmail is the best. Been using them for our business since 2012. Virtually no issues at all aside from a handful of short outages over the last 11 yea