Re: [AFMUG] 120v UPS with Li-ion or LiPoFe batteries - some questions

2023-09-05 Thread Bill Prince
I have been reading rumors about Tesla switching their vehicles to a 48VDC system for lights and accessories, etc. If they're doing that, I can see lead acid losing out, especially with the size, weight, and life expectancy issues. bp On 9/5/2023 11:17 AM, Robert wrote: Lead acid is still

Re: [AFMUG] AC voltage alarm thresholds

2023-09-05 Thread dmmoffett
I appreciate the input, thank you! From: AF On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List Account) Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2023 7:30 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AC voltage alarm thresholds 265V is a common top voltage threshold, but you'll need to look at

Re: [AFMUG] 120v UPS with Li-ion or LiPoFe batteries - some questions

2023-09-05 Thread Mathew Howard
I'm not sure if the life or risk of fire is significantly different or not with LiFePo4 vs Li-ion, but they're more suitable for a lead acid replacement because of the voltage and charging profile, if I understand correctly. >From what I've seen, they generally are fine with a lead-acid charging

Re: [AFMUG] 120v UPS with Li-ion or LiPoFe batteries - some questions

2023-09-05 Thread TJ Trout
Do you really need a ups? What's the use case? I understand LiPoFe is preferable to Li-ion (longer life, less chance of > fire). Is this correct? *Yes* > > Can the BMS compensate for a for lead-acid UPS's charging profile? *No, > but most lifepo4 16s will be similar to vlra voltages, ideally you

Re: [AFMUG] 120v UPS with Li-ion or LiPoFe batteries - some questions

2023-09-05 Thread Robert
Lead acid is still the go to for combustion vehicles and low temperatures without grid to heat.  That might change but for now they is still plenty of market.   That said, when the vendors for LFP decide to change the BMSs to do what is needed and the lower temp chemistries are worked out,

Re: [AFMUG] 120v UPS with Li-ion or LiPoFe batteries - some questions

2023-09-05 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
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[AFMUG] 120v UPS with Li-ion or LiPoFe batteries - some questions

2023-09-05 Thread Brough Turner - netBlazr
I understand LiPoFe is preferable to Li-ion (longer life, less chance of fire). Is this correct? Can the BMS compensate for a for lead-acid UPS's charging profile? Is there a battery with a BMS that can be monitored via a network connection. Any recommendations for where to buy batteries in

Re: [AFMUG] AC voltage alarm thresholds

2023-09-05 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
265V is a common top voltage threshold, but you'll need to look at the equipment specs. The US grid is specified to produce 120/240V +-5%. So 240 could be up to 254V and still be in spec. (240V+12V) Equipment is supposed to accept at least +-10%, so up to 264V. (240V+24V). Personally I'd set

[AFMUG] AC voltage alarm thresholds

2023-09-05 Thread dmmoffett
Do any of you smart guys know how far out of whack does AC voltage have to be to cause trouble? We have an NMS monitoring rectifier input voltage and it's current alarm threshold is 250V. Occasionally that goes off and everyone ignores it. I'd like to set an alarm threshold where we should