to this type of activity.
*From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
*Sent:* Friday, August 10, 2018 12:23 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
Looked like a strong case to me. Especially since you have to agree to
the license agreement before you can do anything
---
*From:*"Ben Royer" mailto:operati...@royell.net>>
*To:*"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Sent:*Friday, August 10, 2018 11:57:52 AM
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
I could be way wrong, b
8 9:31:29 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp/posts/1660546944070751
Ubiquiti Networks, Inc. sues Cambium Networks.
https://www.law360.com/articles/1071813/wireless-co-ubiquiti-says-rival-sells-hacking-firmware
I'd like to see more of the claims
aring
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
- Original Message -
From: "afmug"
To: "af"
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 9:31:29 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
https://www.facebook.com/thebrothe
le.com/spreadsheets/d/1RppWkREqtinzA2obwaZuItc5553tqqYYiEhcXefnb7I/edit?usp=sharing
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
>
> The Brothers WISP
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "afmug"
> To: "af"
> Sent: Friday
Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
- Original Message -
From: "afmug"
To: "af"
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 9:31:29 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp/posts/1660546944070751
Ubiquiti
quot;
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 9:31:29 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp/posts/1660546944070751
Ubiquiti Networks, Inc. sues Cambium Networks.
https://www.law360.com/articles/1071813/wireless-co-ubiquiti-says-rival-sells-hacking-f
0/18 4:30 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> > I don’t quite understand how a radio can be legal Part 15 if it is
> > running different software than what it was tested with.
> > *From:* Mathew Howard
> > *Sent:* Friday, August 10, 2018 5:26 PM
> > *To:* AFMUG
> > *Sub
I don’t quite understand how a radio can be legal Part 15 if it is running
different software than what it was tested with.
From: Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 5:26 PM
To: AFMUG
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
Yeah, I think Cambium uses a new version of the chipset
*From:* Mathew Howard <mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>
> >> *To:* AFMUG <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
> >> *Sent:* Friday, August 10, 2018 1:37 PM
> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
> >>
> >> Cambium is not publicly trade
gt; > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> > >
> >
>
> > > *From: *"Seth Mattinen" > <mailto:se...@rollernet.us
obert
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 4:10 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
They have sued forum contributors to shut them up.
On 8/10/18 2:54 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Well, one would hope that this company did something a little more
substantial than just say some
--
> *From: *"Seth Mattinen" mailto:se...@rollernet.us> <mailto:se...@rollernet.us
<mailto:se...@rollernet.us>>>
> *To: *af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.af
*Sent:* Friday, August 10, 2018 2:30 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
Ubiquiti contends that some of their software is still running after you
install Elevate. They never refer to Elevate by name; throughout the
document they call it "Hacked Firmware" c
0, 2018 1:37 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
Cambium is not publicly traded... unless something has changed
recently.
On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 1:30 PM CBB - Jay Fuller
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
wasn't aware cambium was
Would the EULA keep you from using their bootloader?
From: Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 2:43 PM
To: AFMUG
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
Once you've bought the hardware, you can put software on it, but the question
is can somebody else sell software
el/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> >
>
> > *From: *"Seth Mattinen" se...@rollernet.us>>
> > *To: *af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
> > *Sent: *Friday, Augus
Message -
> *From:* Mike Hammett
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Sent:* Friday, August 10, 2018 2:49 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
>
> That's only relevant if the government hasn't already preempted what UBNT
> is requiring.
>
>
>
> -
&g
*From: *"Cassidy B. Larson" mailto:c...@infowest.com>>
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Sent: *Friday, August 10, 2018 12:39:01 PM
*Subject:
this case whether
they feel they can win or not…..
Smarter folks than me will sort it all out….
Regards,
David Coudron
*From:* AF *On Behalf Of * Ryan Ray
*Sent:* Friday, August 10, 2018 12:42 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
They named
www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
*From: *"Seth Mattinen" mailto:se...@rollernet.us>>
*To: *af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.c
h everyone using Elevate down.
Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
*From:* Adam Moffett <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Friday, August 10, 2018 11:52 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
-
*From: *"Ben Royer"
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
*Sent: *Friday, August 10, 2018 11:57:52 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
I could be way wrong, but it seems to me in the court of public opinion
this wi
all claims court.
>
> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
> *Sent:* Friday, August 10, 2018 1:55 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
>
>
> true, but they're also requesting a jury trial. not sure that would come
> into play unless t
Point taken. Not trying to start a fight with you.
On 8/10/2018 4:39 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
Not my argumenthow I interpreted ubnt's argument.
Sent from my smartphone
- Reply message -
From: "Adam Moffett"
To:
Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
Date: Fri, Au
de, right?
> Does Cambium root the radio or is there still UBNT code running? I have
> not followed this product at all.
>
> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
> *Sent:* Friday, August 10, 2018 1:46 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Camb
be cracked firmware I would think.
But judges and juries do not recognize that distinction.
Their lawyers probably do not either.
From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 2:30 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
Ubiquiti contends that some of their software
the radio or is there still UBNT code running? I have
> not followed this product at all.
>
> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
> *Sent:* Friday, August 10, 2018 1:46 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
>
>
> oh yes they are.
tle things adding up.
- Original Message -
*From:* Mathew Howard
*To:* AFMUG
*Sent:* Friday, August 10, 2018 2:41 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
Unless the radio is old enough that it came with firmware that
didn't have that feature...
But they
mmett"
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 9:31:29 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp/posts/1660546944070751
Ubiquiti Networks, Inc. sues Cambium Networks.
https://www.law360.com/articles
You can always request a jury trial. Even for the tiniest cases except small
claims court.
From: CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 1:55 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
true, but they're also requesting a jury trial. not sure
Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
oh yes they are. the agreement itself tells the user what they can and can't
do. the lawsuit is saying cambium violated that agreement by changing the
code, etc, and even using / reusing some of the same code. and replacing the
copyright
ave Users Group"
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 2:46:45 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
oh yes they are. the agreement itself tells the user what they can and can't
do. the lawsuit is saying cambium violated that agreement by changing the code,
etc, and even using / reusing s
adding up.
- Original Message -
From: Mathew Howard
To: AFMUG
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
Unless the radio is old enough that it came with firmware that didn't have
that feature...
But they're saying that Cambium
t have to do
> that on a dell computer.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Sent:* Friday, August 10, 2018 1:47 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
>
> Dell isn't harmed when you install Linux on your com
af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Sent: *Friday, August 10, 2018 12:42:03 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
On 8/10/18 10:37, Mike Hammett wrote:
> The problem doesn't just apply to WISPs. UBNT has now
prove
PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
That can all be fabricated. Unless UBNT has solid proof, screen shots of MAC
address showing in Cambium firmware the case against the WISP is again just
hearsay.
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 10, 2018, at 10:26 AM
ard...@gmail.com>
*To:* AFMUG <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Sent:* Friday, August 10, 2018 1:37 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
Cambium is not publicly traded... unless something has changed
recently.
On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 1:30 PM CBB - Jay Fuller
is strictly
prohibited.
From: AF On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 2:34 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
if that is the case then i don't think there is much of a case there.
- Original Message -
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
.
- Original Message -
From: Mathew Howard
To: AFMUG
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
Cambium is not publicly traded... unless something has changed recently.
On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 1:30 PM CBB - Jay Fuller
wrote
true. i used a poor choice of words ;)
- Original Message -
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
Infringed yes.
Damaged? How?
From: CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent
> *Sent:* Friday, August 10, 2018 1:23 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
>
> Or short Cambium you never know.
>
>
> MoviePass is selling at 5.1 cents per share right now.
> Or 20 milli cents in pre split dollars. Millipennys? Money is metric,
> ri
if that is the case then i don't think there is much of a case there.
- Original Message -
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
Supreme court cases says you can open
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
Looked like a strong case to me. Especially since you have to agree to the
license agreement before you can do anything.
That being said, I don't think you have to agree to a license agreement to load
firmware in recovery mode. But recovery mode wasn't
,
dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by
unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly
prohibited.
From: AF On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 2:24 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
Is Cambium
patents and intellectual property can't be damaged?
oh, i strongly disagree.
- Original Message -
From: Mathew Howard
To: AFMUG
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
I'm certainly not qualified to argue the legal merits
Exchange
The Brothers WISP
- Original Message -
From: "CBB - Jay Fuller"
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 1:23:52 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
Looked like a strong case to me. Especially since you have to a
id Coudron
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
I guess when reading this, the thing that strikes me the most is how inflated
and exaggerative the language is. Typically it seems in legal documents th
Is Cambium publically traded?
From: Tyson Burris
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 12:19 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
Looks like its time to short the hell of UBNT stock. I don’t see a lawsuit as
a favorable to WISP opinions. Dragging WISPs
12:19 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
Looks like its time to short the hell of UBNT stock. I don’t see a lawsuit as
a favorable to WISP opinions. Dragging WISPs and Vendors into it is very
sticky.
Could end up being negative.
Tyson
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 12:01 PM
To: AFMUG
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
I'm certainly not qualified to argue the legal merits of the case, but it seems
to me (as an observer who in reality knows nothing about it), that they
wouldn't be able to show any significant damages from
Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
https://www.fcc.gov/news-events/blog/2015/11/12/clearing-air-wi-fi-software-updates
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/>
[http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/IC
: Friday, August 10, 2018 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
So much for being the winner by disruption... Yeah, you could see
this
coming. Dear Robert has a lot of expenses... I just replaced a bunch
of legacy ubnt because of flat out chip
com/mdwestix>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>> -
hey can win or not…..
>
>
>
> Smarter folks than me will sort it all out….
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of * Ryan Ray
> *Sent:* Friday, August 10, 2018 12:42 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMU
ett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
From: "Cassidy B. Larson" < c...@infowest.com >
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com >
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 12:39:01 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMU
*From: *ja...@remotelylocated.com
<mailto:ja...@remotelylocated.com>
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Sent: *Friday, August 10, 2018 12:24:56 PM
swisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *"Cassidy B. Larson"
>
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
> *Sent: *Friday, August 10, 2018 12:39:01 PM
>
> *Subje
mpany/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>
whether they feel
they can win or not…..
Smarter folks than me will sort it all out….
Regards,
David Coudron
From: AF On Behalf Of Ryan Ray
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 12:42 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
They named a forum user
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> ----------
> *From: *"Seth Mattinen"
> *To: *af@af.afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, August 10, 2018 12:42:03 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
>
> On 8/10/18 10:37, Mike
ubject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
On 8/10/18 09:52, Adam Moffett wrote:
So yeah they are talking about the extra Tx power. They're also
claiming copyright, DMCA, RICO, CFA, and software licenses violations.
They also claim mail and wire fraud related to marketing the hacked
P <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> ----------
> *From: *"Seth Mattinen"
> *To: *af@af.afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, August
be irrelevant...
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Robert Andrews
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Sent:* Friday, August 10, 2018 10:11 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
>
> So much for being the winner by disruption... Yeah, you could see this
>
-
From: "Seth Mattinen"
To: af@af.afmug.com
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 12:42:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
On 8/10/18 10:37, Mike Hammett wrote:
> The problem doesn't just apply to WISPs. UBNT has now proven that
> they're willing to sue thei
s://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> ----------
> *From: *ja...@remotelylocated.com
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
> *Sent: *Friday, August 10, 2018 12:24:56
On 8/10/18 10:37, Mike Hammett wrote:
The problem doesn't just apply to WISPs. UBNT has now proven that
they're willing to sue their customers over things unrelated to lack of
payment.
I don't think their fanbase will care.
--
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
t-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>
Yep, that is why I worked so hard to get my own FCC type approvals on all my
stuff.
KPP never has as far as I know. Academic but technically required.
From: Lewis Bergman
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 8:39 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
On 8/10/18 09:52, Adam Moffett wrote:
So yeah they are talking about the extra Tx power. They're also
claiming copyright, DMCA, RICO, CFA, and software licenses violations.
They also claim mail and wire fraud related to marketing the hacked
firmware.
In a nutshell, they refer to Blip and
t;http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> From: "Ben Royer"
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 1
Exchange
The Brothers WISP
- Original Message -
From: "Mathew Howard"
To: "AFMUG"
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 12:34:51 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
I would assume that the percentage of sales of these particular products, are
mostly goi
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *ja...@remotelylocated.com
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
> *Sent: *Friday, August 10, 2018 12:24:56 PM
> *Subject: *Re:
t;
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
>
> The Brothers WISP
>
>
>
>
> From: ja...@remotelylocated.com
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 12:24:56 P
hebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *"Ben Royer"
>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
>> *Sent: *Friday, August 10, 2018 11:57:52
ubject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
How does UBNT know that the WISP in question is actually using the product? Did
they gain access to the carriers network to verify? With out them knowing?
Other than that it is all hearsay.
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 10, 2018, at 10:18 AM, Adam Moffet
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Sent:* Friday, August 10, 2018 10:11 AM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
So much for being the winner by disruption... Yeah, you could
see this
coming. Dear Robert has a lot of expenses... I just replaced a
bunch
of legacy ubnt bec
ahead of
time for $
(yes i read the document)
- Original Message -
From: Mathew Howard
To: AFMUG
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
The thing I'm wondering about here, is what are they suing the WISP for (yes,
I'm too
To: af@af.afmug.com
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
So much for being the winner by disruption... Yeah, you could see this
coming. Dear Robert has a lot of expenses... I just replaced a bunch
of legacy ubnt because of flat out chip
I just read the 72 pages. I think they make a good case.
- Original Message -
From: Adam Moffett
To: af@af.afmug.com
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
Elevate is just software. Ubiquiti already sold the hardware and never
SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *"Ben Royer"
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
> *Sent: *Friday, August 10, 2018 11:57:52 AM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
>
> I could be way wrong, but it seems to me
ave Users Group"
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 11:57:52 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
I could be way wrong, but it seems to me in the court of public opinion this
will hurt UBNT worse. I mean, any WISP out there, and Disti, using or selling
Elevate, in my opinion would
has just tried to
push everyone using Elevate down.
Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 11:52 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
So yeah they are talking about the extra Tx power
So yeah they are talking about the extra Tx power. They're also
claiming copyright, DMCA, RICO, CFA, and software licenses violations.
They also claim mail and wire fraud related to marketing the hacked
firmware.
In a nutshell, they refer to Blip and Winncomm as "co-conspirators"
because
s Group"
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 9:31:29 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp/posts/1660546944070751
Ubiquiti Networks, Inc. sues Cambium Networks.
https://www.law360.com/articles/1071813/wireless-co-ubiquiti-says-rival-sells-hack
Would be a bitch if the fcc went after operators using elevate for non
compliance. But remember ubnt had the deal with fcc over locking down their
hardware way back because of all the bofh running illegal with the custom
loads. This could simply be a cya over the terms of that arrangement
On Fri,
The thing I'm wondering about here, is what are they suing the WISP for
(yes, I'm too lazy to go find the documents and read them)?
On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 10:57 AM Lewis Bergman
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> My statement still stands.
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> On Fri, Aug 10, 2018, 10:10 AM Faisal Imtiaz
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>> Love the
My statement still stands.
On Fri, Aug 10, 2018, 10:10 AM Faisal Imtiaz
wrote:
> Love the armchair discussion, with everyone shooting from the hip, without
> actually reading the article...
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>
> Ubiquiti sued Illinois-based Cambium on Tuesday, claiming the company is
> selling
Thats where I see the issue is non-compliant hardware raising a brow.
On 08/10/2018 10:15 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
The funny thing is, it's entirely possible that Ubiquiti sold some
extra hardware because of Elevate. For example, in our case it took
some pressure off to convert all our towers
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The funny thing is, it's entirely possible that Ubiquiti sold some extra
hardware because of Elevate. For example, in our case it took some pressure
off to convert all our towers to ePMP as quickly, because any new CPE that
we put out there would still be usable after we did eventually convert it
*From: *"Faisal Imtiaz"
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
*Sent: *Friday, August 10, 2018 10:09:16 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
Love the armchair discussion, with everyone shooting from the hip,
without actually reading the article...
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Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 10:09:16 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
Love the armchair discussion, with everyone shooting from the hip, without
actually reading the article...
Ubiquiti sued Illinois-based Cambium on Tuesday, claiming the company
So much for being the winner by disruption... Yeah, you could see this
coming. Dear Robert has a lot of expenses... I just replaced a bunch
of legacy ubnt because of flat out chip failure. Old electronics that
fail not because of exposure to discharges or stuff like that. Just too
Love the armchair discussion, with everyone shooting from the hip, without
actually reading the article...
Ubiquiti sued Illinois-based Cambium on Tuesday, claiming the company is
selling firmware that changes the existing firmware on Ubiquiti's wireless
equipment so it
Elevate is just software. Ubiquiti already sold the hardware and never
asked any money for software. So how is Ubiquiti damaged? They're not
damaged any more than Dell is damaged if you delete Windows to install
Ubuntu.
I'm also sure Cambium wouldn't have proceeded with Elevate if they
I imagine the reason it didn't happen sooner, is because of the fact that
it makes Ubiquiti look really bad (especially the part about suing a
WISP... ). Also, they were probably trying to come up with an argument that
would hold up.
On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 9:55 AM Jason McKemie <
I'm surprised this didn't happen sooner. The whole elevate thing was asking
for it.
On Friday, August 10, 2018, Mike Hammett wrote:
> https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp/posts/1660546944070751
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> Ubiquiti Networks, Inc. sues Cambium Networks.
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ave Users Group"
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 9:39:19 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
I remember sitting next to Beehive Chuck in Vegas one year and firmly asking if
Cambium would indemnify WISP's buying their gear from any claims having to do
with their gear. This is wh
I remember sitting next to Beehive Chuck in Vegas one year and firmly
asking if Cambium would indemnify WISP's buying their gear from any claims
having to do with their gear. This is why.
On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 9:32 AM Mike Hammett wrote:
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