[AFMUG] Micropop at a HAM

2016-04-16 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
We have this little cluster we have not been able to penetrate well even with 900mhz, its got maybe 12-15 houses, weve only been able to get three out of maybe 7 we have been called to service. There is also a business there that would get our top non DIA rate, but nobody there would want to

Re: [AFMUG] Merchant services

2016-04-16 Thread Scott Vander Dussen
In my OP explanation message I cited my reason for leaving, and it's not what you've cited here... But whatever! Thanks, 'S Sent mobile! On Apr 16, 2016, at 16:56, Chuck Hogg > wrote: Um, so if you don't seewhy this isn't allowed, I don't know

Re: [AFMUG] Merchant services

2016-04-16 Thread Chuck Hogg
Um, so if you don't seewhy this isn't allowed, I don't know what to say. And to quit a processor over running an unnatural charge that wasn't a normal part of your charge history is crazy. I bet they tried to help you and thats why the runnaround only to be told by their bank that its a no-no.

Re: [AFMUG] Micropop at a HAM

2016-04-16 Thread Chuck McCown
Here is a good place to start: https://hamstudy.org/tech2014 From: Jeremy Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 8:50 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Micropop at a HAM Yeah, I am clueless about HAM radio. We provide an Ethernet connection to them for their VoIP gateway in trade for power.

Re: [AFMUG] PTP820S 2+0 configuration

2016-04-16 Thread Daniel White
Craig my guess would be they meant frequency band, not subband. I can't think of any reason you couldn't use different sub-bands so long as the OMT covers the range (which in the case of 11GHz is most likely covers all subbands). Daniel White Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

Re: [AFMUG] PTP820S 2+0 configuration

2016-04-16 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Yes, each has it's pro's and con's. If you take the B11 out of the picture, then only choice would be something like a 820s type radio. B11 simply offers some very interesting options, and yes cost is one of the factors that we all have to work with. B11's spectral efficiency, yes we can

Re: [AFMUG] PTP820S 2+0 configuration

2016-04-16 Thread Erich Kaiser
I believe the af11x image is just a model of a radio(actual radio will not have n connectors) someone was talking about it after Louisville. Constructive criticism is not bad for any vendor, bottom line is with 320mhz of spectrum you should be able to do over 4g aggregate with Today's

Re: [AFMUG] Merchant services

2016-04-16 Thread Jason McKemie
I would have done the same thing. On Saturday, April 16, 2016, Jeremy wrote: > Sorry, but this is a ridiculous reason to leave IPPay. Also, it is a grey > area when it comes to legality. > > On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 8:55 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm < >

Re: [AFMUG] PTP820S 2+0 configuration

2016-04-16 Thread Trey Scarborough
Long as the TX of one radio is not in the RX range of the other radio at the same site you should be fine. With the issues you are seeing I would recommend turning the power down a little bit -39 may be a little hot for you to run a higher modulation without errors. It would probably be better

Re: [AFMUG] Merchant services

2016-04-16 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
It sounds to me like the issue has little to do with whether IP Pay wanted to do the transaction or not. It has to do with the fact they promised to do it, then rescinded that promise, creating a serious operational rift. Personally, it sounds like Scott was trying to nickel and dime some extra

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad specs

2016-04-16 Thread Gino Villarini
is just license cost on the bts Sent from Outlook Mobile On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 6:58 AM -0700, "Mike Hammett" wrote: I wonder how it affects cost having one, two or three 20 MHz channels vs. twice as many 10 MHz channels. Sprint is deploying gear with 2x 20 MHz

Re: [AFMUG] Merchant services

2016-04-16 Thread Jeremy
Sorry, but this is a ridiculous reason to leave IPPay. Also, it is a grey area when it comes to legality. On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 8:55 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > ther may be ftc regulations that would create a criminal liability for > processors allowing

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad specs

2016-04-16 Thread Gino Villarini
at least on the bts we have evaluated, its just license Sent from Outlook Mobile On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 7:09 AM -0700, "Mike Hammett" wrote: Right, but does a BTS that does it cost significantly different than one that doesn't? It offers 2x the capacity. Is it

Re: [AFMUG] Micropop at a HAM

2016-04-16 Thread Chuck McCown
If you give him free service, it will go a long way toward ensuring cooperation. From: That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 12:52 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Micropop at a HAM We have this little cluster we have not been able to penetrate well even with 900mhz,

Re: [AFMUG] Micropop at a HAM

2016-04-16 Thread Jeremy
We are in the process of building a major pop on a site with two HAM organizations together on it. Everything they have is low frequencies (like 420MHz or something). I don't anticipate any problems. They wanted to share a rack, but I 86'ed that idea. My wiring is too meticulous to share a

Re: [AFMUG] PTP820S 2+0 configuration

2016-04-16 Thread Erich Kaiser
Also max QAM level on B11 is 256 on the PTP820S it is 2048. Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 1:12 PM, Erich Kaiser wrote: > You actually need double the spectrum to

Re: [AFMUG] Micropop at a HAM

2016-04-16 Thread Daniel White
One of the absolute best sites (something like 500 subs) that the WISP I worked for had was a HAM radio operators property. But just like anything, it all depends on the personality of the person and what frequencies they are using. I’d certainly look into it. Daniel White Managing

Re: [AFMUG] AlfoPlus2

2016-04-16 Thread Mike Hammett
Most I have done have been in the -30s or -40s. Need good system margin to keep 99.999% at something near full modulation. Otherwise, you're paying for something you're not using. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP -

Re: [AFMUG] PTP820S 2+0 configuration

2016-04-16 Thread Craig Baird
Thanks Daniel. This eases my mind a little since you are quite familiar with these radios. Here is the Cambium Community post I'm referencing. It's very clear that it means sub-bands: http://tinyurl.com/j6lrsea Thanks! Craig Quoting Daniel White : Craig my guess

Re: [AFMUG] Merchant services

2016-04-16 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
Not doing the transaction is fine, but the lie is something worthy of leaving the company. I guess it would also depend on where in the food chain the lady is in the company, our customer service does stupid shady stuff all day long without the consent or knowledge of ownership. But when ownership

Re: [AFMUG] PTP820S 2+0 configuration

2016-04-16 Thread Erich Kaiser
You actually need double the spectrum to accomplish the same thing as the 2+0 config on PTP820S vs B11. The B11 is using both H and V PTP820S with 2+0 could both be on Vertical or on Horizontal. This is one of the big issues people have been running into is being able to find that type of

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad specs

2016-04-16 Thread Mike Hammett
I wonder how it affects cost having one, two or three 20 MHz channels vs. twice as many 10 MHz channels. Sprint is deploying gear with 2x 20 MHz aggregation and will be doing 3x 20 MHz "soon". - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad specs

2016-04-16 Thread Mike Hammett
Right, but does a BTS that does it cost significantly different than one that doesn't? It offers 2x the capacity. Is it 2x the price? 1.2x? 4x? Same on the UE side. I know that they're all migrating that way for cellular use, but we often get things a bit different (and likely rightfully

Re: [AFMUG] AlfoPlus2

2016-04-16 Thread Gino Villarini
all your licensed links should be engineered for -50 or lower  Sent from Outlook Mobile _ From: Eric Kuhnke Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AlfoPlus2 To: Well yeah, I guess that's what I was

Re: [AFMUG] Merchant services

2016-04-16 Thread Jeremy
When we started with IPPay, we were told that we could not take payments for one year of service in advance. They said something along the lines of "we have such great rates because this industry has less chargebacks being a service provider that deals with month-to-month service at a customer's

Re: [AFMUG] Micropop at a HAM

2016-04-16 Thread Jeremy
Awesome! On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 8:59 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: > Here is a good place to start: > https://hamstudy.org/tech2014 > > *From:* Jeremy > *Sent:* Saturday, April 16, 2016 8:50 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Micropop at a HAM

Re: [AFMUG] 80 GHz manufacturers

2016-04-16 Thread Daniel Gerlach
Intracom Ultraflex 80 ghz 2016-04-16 3:36 GMT+02:00 Mike Hammett : > Yup. Some were added to a rooftop I'm on somewhat recently. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > >

Re: [AFMUG] PTP820S 2+0 configuration

2016-04-16 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
That comment may have been made in the context of a particular model(specific product code) of radio... but sounds like your link radios were done with a specific BOM.. Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk:

Re: [AFMUG] Micropop at a HAM

2016-04-16 Thread Chuck McCown
Funny, as a former ham, 402 MHz is Ultra High Frequencies... From: Jeremy Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 8:37 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Micropop at a HAM We are in the process of building a major pop on a site with two HAM organizations together on it. Everything they have is

Re: [AFMUG] PTP820S 2+0 configuration

2016-04-16 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
I am not familiar with the hardware nor the intricate specifics.. However I would make a general statement .. There are a lot of old wives tales associated with licensed link, there may be some context to these old wives tails, most folks in the industry tend to take it for face value, very

Re: [AFMUG] PTP820S 2+0 configuration

2016-04-16 Thread Ken Hohhof
I am puzzled by the AF11X, the choice of N connectors seems strange, I assume there will be a source of waveguide adapters and 11 GHz capable jumpers? Or is Ubiquiti assuming everyone will use new Ubiquiti antennas? Also, does anyone know why there are 2 N connectors? Is the implication that

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad specs

2016-04-16 Thread Gino Villarini
lte has carrier aggregation you know... Sent from Outlook Mobile On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 5:17 AM -0700, "Mark Radabaugh" wrote: Initial trials for SAS/CBSD are being proposed this summer - I believe around KC. Mark RadabaughWISPA FCC chairmanfcc-ch...@wispa.org

Re: [AFMUG] Merchant services

2016-04-16 Thread Josh Luthman
To each their own! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 16, 2016 10:27 AM, "Jeremy" wrote: > Sorry, but this is a ridiculous reason to leave IPPay. Also, it is a grey > area when it comes to legality. > >

[AFMUG] PTP820S 2+0 configuration

2016-04-16 Thread Craig Baird
So a few months ago we purchased an 11 GHz PTP820S 2+0 link. We recently installed it, and it appears to be working fine, aside from a little bit of frame loss that we are investigating. While looking into this frame loss issue, I stumbled across something that concerns me. On Cambium's

Re: [AFMUG] Micropop at a HAM

2016-04-16 Thread Jeremy
Yeah, I am clueless about HAM radio. We provide an Ethernet connection to them for their VoIP gateway in trade for power. We are also letting them put an omni on top of our tower. I really only want to pass the HAM test so that I can get license plates with a picture of a tower on them On

Re: [AFMUG] PTP820S 2+0 configuration

2016-04-16 Thread Craig Baird
Thanks Faisal. I hope that's the case. If it were just some random person who made the post, I wouldn't worry so much about it. But the post was made by one of the Cambium guys themselves. Craig Quoting Faisal Imtiaz : I am not familiar with the hardware nor

Re: [AFMUG] PTP820S 2+0 configuration

2016-04-16 Thread Gino Villarini
I beg to differ with you Faisal on the Mimosa statement. the B11 only achievement is low cost, which is soon to be out priced by UBNT AF11. B11 are inefficient Spectrum hogs On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 2:19 PM, Erich Kaiser wrote: > Also max QAM level on B11 is 256

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad specs

2016-04-16 Thread Mark Radabaugh
Initial trials for SAS/CBSD are being proposed this summer - I believe around KC. Mark Radabaugh WISPA FCC Chairman fcc-ch...@wispa.org > On Apr 15, 2016, at 9:46 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: > > The SAS doesn't even exist yet, right? Seems like the FCC got paralyzed

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad specs

2016-04-16 Thread Mark Radabaugh
Yes in regard to 10Mhz PAL’s. I have not seen anything in the current mechanism being discussed that would allow you to specify two adjacent channels. Mark Please note the mailing and shipping address change below: Mark Radabaugh Amplex 22690 Pemberville Rd Luckey, OH 43443 419-837-5015