Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

I live in two wireless world's...on the SCADA side, we use top quality components which have a higher cost for critical operational needs, i.e., clean and waste water systems. Phoenix Contact and Puls power supplies, etc. So we protect everything with fuses and grounding...I have been criticized

Re: [AFMUG] .........Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the Trango List

They must still have a stockpile of equipment somewhere. I just sent an Apex Plus radio in for repair a couple weeks ago. They said they couldn't repair it, but offered me the option to buy a new one at full MSRP. But yes, almost everyone is gone from Trango. The person I was initially

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

*nods* I'm the opposite of TJ. I probably won't go to an Animal Farm-only event, just like I don't go to MUMs anymore. Limited time away, let's just knock it out all at once. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP -

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

Do the fuses protect against the same things as the surge protectors? Or do you need those in line also? On 2/14/18 7:34 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: I'm sure you already thought about this, but is it possible to make a device that recovers automatically after the short circuit has ended while

Re: [AFMUG] .........Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the Trango List

Maybe that was the difference, They said it had a bad OMU, but the ODU was fine. $3450 to replace it, I declined. On 2/14/2018 9:55 AM, Jeremy wrote: My radios are Remecand Laurie says she can no longer get any Remec heads, even at MSRP. On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Nate Burke

Re: [AFMUG] .........Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the Trango List

My radios are Remecand Laurie says she can no longer get any Remec heads, even at MSRP. On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Nate Burke wrote: > They must still have a stockpile of equipment somewhere. I just sent an > Apex Plus radio in for repair a couple weeks ago. They

[AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

Hi Chuck, Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse. Question & critique. When are these going to be available ? We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive... (At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to be exceeding the cost of 'poe

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

Buy better switches? :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Faisal Imtiaz" To: "Animal Farm" Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 9:00:20 AM

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

It can be done. We outsourced much of it once we got the process down. But WispAmerica has been pretty good to me and I think they think that AF as its own show may cut attendance to WispAmerica. Two shows, same season, one much cheaper than the other... So yeah, WispAmerica has an

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

I'm sure you already thought about this, but is it possible to make a device that recovers automatically after the short circuit has ended while also responding fast enough to protect the port? Is it a case where it's possible but costs too much? -- Original Message -- From: "Chuck

Re: [AFMUG] .........Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the Trango List

On another note; Did everyone here know that Trango is pretty much out of business? No sales force, no sales, RMA onlylikely for a limited time. Just tried to get radios for a 2+0 of our existing linkno dice. On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 6:45 PM, Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

Two similar questions: Surge suppressors can blow ports. If you have a surge, the surge protector will clamp all the Ethernet lines to ground. That shorts them all together and grounds them. That will also blow some POE ports. So you need surge protectors to protect things from surges,

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

We have been shipping for months. The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the fuse. And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses involved in blowing a port. The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors. I don't encourage

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

per chuck they must be fueses to protect a netonix, anything else was too slow. On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 7:34 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: > I'm sure you already thought about this, but is it possible to make a > device that recovers automatically after the short circuit has

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

So for a Netonix, do we just need the fuse or do we need the surge arrestor card as well? On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 10:41 AM, TJ Trout wrote: > per chuck they must be fueses to protect a netonix, anything else was too > slow. > > On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 7:34 AM, Adam Moffett

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

That would have been ideal, however the PTC solidstate fuses do not blow fast enough. And doing a solid state current sensor runs up the cost and has it's own set of problems. If you are supplying the current it is no problem as you have an easy way to sense and interrupt the current. But when

Re: [AFMUG] .........Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the Trango List

I expect that there will be a robust used market as people move to other platforms. I know at least one manufacturer that has Trango adapters for dishes too. Jeff Broadwick CTIconnect 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell jbroadw...@cticonnect.com > On Feb 14, 2018, at 10:55 AM, Jeremy

Re: [AFMUG] .........Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on theTrango List

U.. there is a strange AF11x to Remec adapter that does actually exist, (even though Gino is probably given up hope that that is so. I have some done for Gino. Just not shipped yet.) But if you need a interspecies adapter from anything to anything, let me know. I can typically do

Re: [AFMUG] .........Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on theTrango List

I can build N connector adapters for the antenna too if you choose a connectorized radio. From: Jeremy Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 9:42 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on theTrango List Yeah, this particular link is 6GHz. She

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

Just bug all my distributors to place stocking orders. That works miracles. -Original Message- From: Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 11:04 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... Thanks for the reply... I was looking at things more simply... To protect

[AFMUG] In Mikrotik is a MHZ a MHZ?

When comparing Mikrotik capability, is a MHZ a MHZ. I.E. For a single CPU application, like a bandwidth test or Interface bridging. Will a x86 CPU at 1000mhz perform the same as a CCR CPU at 1000mhz? I have some older ATOM based routers that are 2 core hyperthreaded at 1.6 ghz. I'm trying

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

One of the things I liked about Animal Farm was that the timing was much better than any of the other shows. The WISPA shows are late enough in the spring that the weather is already getting nice enough to be doing (non-essential) tower work, and early enough in the fall that it's still nice out.

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

I look at as, if you have a short on a port Chuck costs the price of one card, $20 and the netonix is a whole box, even if you RMA it... Yes the initial cost is steep, but the future cost/time is priceless... On 02/14/2018 10:04 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: Thanks for the reply... I was

Re: [AFMUG] In Mikrotik is a MHZ a MHZ?

That's never the case across CPU architectures. -- Original Message -- From: "Nate Burke" To: "Animal Farm" Sent: 2/14/2018 12:14:53 PM Subject: [AFMUG] In Mikrotik is a MHZ a MHZ? When comparing Mikrotik capability, is a MHZ a MHZ. I.E. For a

Re: [AFMUG] .........Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on theTrango List

Yeah, this particular link is 6GHz. She said that she could maybe get me some Wavelab heads, but if I am replacing all four radios I may as well go with a manufacturer that is actually in business, and can support their products. I am just going to replace the link with a higher capacity product

Re: [AFMUG] In Mikrotik is a MHZ a MHZ?

No... every CPU type is going to be different. On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 11:14 AM, Nate Burke wrote: > When comparing Mikrotik capability, is a MHZ a MHZ. I.E. For a single CPU > application, like a bandwidth test or Interface bridging. Will a x86 CPU > at 1000mhz perform

Re: [AFMUG] In Mikrotik is a MHZ a MHZ?

No processor architecture has the same performance per MHz as any other processor architecture, even same manufacturer, same family. This applies to everything, not just MT. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP -

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I admit I had a bit of conference fatigue with Animal Farm, two WISPA shows and a FISPA conference all in the same year. Chuck McCown wrote: It can be done. We outsourced much of it once we got the process down. But WispAmerica has been pretty good to me and I think they think that AF as

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I vote to move AF back to Salt Lake. It was a good excuse to get some powder days in...oh, and the conference was good too. On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > and three NANOGs, one GPF, one PTC, etc. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing

Re: [AFMUG] Trango ApexPlus 11GHz

Giga/ApexPlus and Giga/ApexLynx are all Remec circular/round, except 6GHz which I believe is rectangular. Giga = split, Apex = full outdoor. Both use the same ODUs, Remec or WaveLab OEM. Trango pretty much just made the IDUs and OMUs and their software. I know this for a fact because I had to

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

Red Iguana We could do it kinda like it started. Pick a date next winter, I will reserve a hotel conference room and whoever shows up shows up. Not sure what Wispa would think about that... From: Cameron Crum Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 3:57 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re:

Re: [AFMUG] Trango ApexPlus 11GHz

Thanks From: George Skorup Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 4:15 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trango ApexPlus 11GHz Giga/ApexPlus and Giga/ApexLynx are all Remec circular/round, except 6GHz which I believe is rectangular. Giga = split, Apex = full outdoor. Both use the same

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I would like to ask Chuck if he would host a externally funded BBQ/BOF not AF, that would be pretty informal, so that we could all get some eyeball time with each other... I like Utah cause it's driveable to so much of the US and excellent flights in for the rest and it could happen in a

Re: [AFMUG] In Mikrotik is a MHZ a MHZ?

Apples and oranges. Different processor architectures can accomplish different amounts of work per instruction cycle. Even different RISC processors have different work/MHz ratios. Above my pay grade to parse it out. bp On 2/14/2018 9:14 AM, Nate Burke wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

Thanks for the reply... I was looking at things more simply... To protect 10/12 ports we are talking about $200/$250 give or take Switch value may be in similar ball park It would be nice to see these in more of the $10 range.. I completely understand the production qty run vs cost. Maybe,

Re: [AFMUG] .........Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on theTrango List

Cool. And I assume that's no coincidence with Trango calling it quits. On 2/14/2018 1:36 PM, Jeremy wrote: No, PTP820 is Ceragon.  They just released an adapter that will interface with the Trango dishes. On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 12:27 PM, Chuck McCown

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

I ran out of room when I tried. That is on the APC version. From: Gino A. Villarini Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:30 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... O need both the SS and the Fuse? can’t they be integrated in the same unit? From: Af

Re: [AFMUG] .........Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the Trango List

We need some remakes LOL On 02/14/2018 01:31 PM, Gino A. Villarini wrote: Lol there still there! I made them From: Af > on behalf of David Milholen > Reply-To: "af@afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] .........Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on theTrango List

PTP820 is also Remec is it not? From: George Skorup Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on theTrango List Possibly stupid question. Most of what we have deployed are 11GHz ApexPlus. That is a Remec

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

and three NANOGs, one GPF, one PTC, etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Jay Weekley" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:00:16 PM

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

O need both the SS and the Fuse? can’t they be integrated in the same unit? From: Af > on behalf of Chuck McCown > Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" > Date:

Re: [AFMUG] .........Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the Trango List

Lol there still there! I made them From: Af > on behalf of David Milholen > Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" > Date: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at

Re: [AFMUG] .........Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on theTrango List

If you goto an S you limit yourself to a single core performance but if you ever want to push a Gig in one direction I would say go C to give you that option even though you may not do it right away it will be there to turn up instead of going back for a redo On 02/14/2018 01:20 PM, George

Re: [AFMUG] .........Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on theTrango List

I believe so On 02/14/2018 01:27 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: PTP820 is also Remec is it not? *From:* George Skorup *Sent:* Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:20 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on theTrango List Possibly stupid question.

Re: [AFMUG] .........Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on theTrango List

No, PTP820 is Ceragon. They just released an adapter that will interface with the Trango dishes. On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 12:27 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > PTP820 is also Remec is it not? > > *From:* George Skorup > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:20 PM > *To:*

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

yes they are, now, It wasn't so great when they first got going... I told them they could keep a unit rather than the charge to repair it and ship it back with the an early unit. Glad to see they are better. On 02/14/2018 11:27 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: I know, and I appreciate it. Just

Re: [AFMUG] .........Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on theTrango List

Ceragon From: Af > on behalf of Chuck McCown > Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" > Date: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 3:27 PM To:

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

I think Netonix will fix a blown POE port for $25. -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 11:20 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... I look at as, if you have a short on a port Chuck costs the price of one card, $20 and the netonix

Re: [AFMUG] .........Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the Trango List

I miss the funny youtube videos of hitler On 02/13/2018 06:11 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote: I remember that and made some comment later about the animal farm attitude or nature of what had happened... Chuck ran with it and AFMUG was born.  Something like that...too many Tecates since then but it's

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

I know, and I appreciate it. Just want to be fair to Netonix. They are reasonable in the charge to fix a blown port. -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:22 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... Plus shipping both ways and

Re: [AFMUG] .........Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on theTrango List

Possibly stupid question. Most of what we have deployed are 11GHz ApexPlus. That is a Remec circular/round interface. Is there an adapter to move to IP20/PTP820 S and/or C? On 2/14/2018 10:45 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: I can build N connector adapters for the antenna too if you choose a

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

Plus shipping both ways and you better put another spare in your inventory... Repair service starts at $75-100 depending upon device. & I was trying to make a case for your device!! On 02/14/2018 10:29 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: I think Netonix will fix a blown POE port for $25. -Original

Re: [AFMUG] .........Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on theTrango List

PTP800 is remec From: Af > on behalf of Chuck McCown > Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" > Date: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 3:27 PM To:

Re: [AFMUG] .........Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on theTrango List

Remec rectangular. I believe Trango is round remec. Jeff Broadwick CTIconnect 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell jbroadw...@cticonnect.com > On Feb 14, 2018, at 2:43 PM, Gino A. Villarini wrote: > > PTP800 is remec > > From: Af on behalf of

[AFMUG] Trango ApexPlus 11GHz

Anyone know for sure if Trango ApexPlus 11GHz is a Remec mount?

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

Interesting, so you have splitters that divide light unevenly? Or am I misunderstanding you? On another note, I wonder if anyone has compared the ZTE GPON stuff with Ubiquiti's offering... On Tuesday, February 13, 2018, Chris Fabien wrote: > We splice in a uneven ratio 1x2

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

Sure, but we need to pick the right season. Nothing near any Wispa event in timing either. They are pretty good to me. Maybe another summer session where I break out the directional drilling machine and let everyone punch some holes in the dirt. -Original Message- From: Robert

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

The AF fiber edition was great. On Wednesday, February 14, 2018, Chuck McCown wrote: > Sure, but we need to pick the right season. Nothing near any Wispa event > in timing either. They are pretty good to me. > > Maybe another summer session where I break out the directional

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

Yeah! Chuck McCown wrote: Sure, but we need to pick the right season. Nothing near any Wispa event in timing either. They are pretty good to me. Maybe another summer session where I break out the directional drilling machine and let everyone punch some holes in the dirt. -Original

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

Title: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT Chris, I think the 60km max reach and 20km ONU restriction is part of the GPON standard and all manufacturers should have it. -- Best regards, Mark                            mailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Technologies, Inc. www.MyakkaTech.com --

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

Yup that's a thing. That was actually my plan "A", except where he's got 30-40 houses in 2 miles I've got 5-10. I think PLC splitters are always even, and the other type which I can't remember the name of can be uneven. In coax they call that a "tap", but in fiber it's called a "coupler",

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

It could just be an AF reunion. Doesn't need to be a full on show. I liked Animal Farm better then the Wispa events. Felt more authentic. On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 7:52 PM, Jason McKemie < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > The AF fiber edition was great. > > > On Wednesday, February

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

That could work. The middle of summer would be about as far as you can get from the Wispa events... and punching holes in the dirt sounds like fun. On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 6:25 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > Sure, but we need to pick the right season. Nothing near any Wispa event >

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

Regarding the distance, our ZTE will support up to 60 km, but max difference of 20km between ONU on one PON. There's just a range parameter that needs to be set. We ordered C+ optics and see a real optical budget of 33dB. The OLT is about +5.5 tx and -34 min rx sensitivity. The ONU about + 0.5 tx

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

Nice planning. How are you calculating your ratios and such? FS supplying the splitter? Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Feb 14, 2018, at 10:50 PM, Chris Fabien wrote: > > Yes, i think its a beautiful fit for lower density rural where you have long > linear

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

So while we are playing what if's let's face reality... If tower is hit by lightning, all active surge/fuse/ports will be hit. Chances of one or two only is small Yes I fully understand the value of the surge protector, fuse and the benefit of having a POE switch. :) Regards. Faisal

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

AF in SLC! So much yes... On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 6:28 PM, Carl Peterson wrote: > It could just be an AF reunion. Doesn't need to be a full on show. I > liked Animal Farm better then the Wispa events. Felt more authentic. > > On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 7:52 PM,

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

I will climb the tallest tree or tower and cry out Franklin lightning protection method has worked very well for us. I shared posts several years ago of a UV system that kept getting hit and damaged until I put an air terminal 10 ft. above tower and ran copper wire straight down to

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

Yes, i think its a beautiful fit for lower density rural where you have long linear roads. We do have some areas with 5 or less houses per mile too. The first splitter is a 1x2 FBT (fused biconal taper) those can be made in any split ratio I think they vary the angle that the fibers meet. They

Re: [AFMUG] .........Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on theTrango List

Out of curiousity, why hasnt a standard mount bewn established. Does the secondary adapter market have some kneebreakers on payroll? On Feb 14, 2018 4:38 PM, "Jeff Broadwick - Lists" wrote: > Remec rectangular. I believe Trango is round remec. > > Jeff Broadwick > CTIconnect