But still so fun...
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 2:48:12 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP
The clarification
Ah shucks. I'd just gotten it all polished up...
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/16/2015 12:48 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
The clarification seems to make the pitchfork unnecessary.
Do I have to put away my pitchfork?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/16/2015 12:16 PM, Mathew Howard
Having any internet _*at all*_ makes a place rentable or even buyable in
our area. We had people call us up and tell us they won't buy (or rent)
unless we would guarantee internet service.
A lot of sales (and rentals) fell through when we couldn't reach some
place in an unreachable location.
Same here.
A lot of places around here won't sell because everyone calls ATT, no DSL,
they just walk away, buy a house in town.
Some call us, get Internet and live in the sticks, where it's nice.
- Original Message -
From: Bill Prince
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, March
Has anyone successfully petitioned netflix to receive a server when you
don't meet the 5gbps requirement ?
We have a extension of our network where we are back hauling over a gig 50
miles away and I need to upgrade the radios once again, I know if I had
this server It would drop our usage over
http://phys.org/news/2015-03-quantum-scheme-states-transmitting-physical.html
Probably won't be out before the end of the year but at least there is a
working theory unless someone has an intergalactic interferometer in their
garage.
Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street *
Matt is correct about the latency.
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 3:42 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP
That's flexible mode though... I'm assuming latency is going to be the same is
it is with PtMP Synced mode,
So uh did no one else notice they put the Cambium logo on wrong?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote:
It's expected, yes.
Do they have a GPS antenna port? Not
Would you put in new siding and shingles? Or leave the J-pipe foot and nicely
caulk the hole where the cable went in?
From: Travis Johnson
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 5:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof mount antenna
In this situation (which happened
in a lot of our coverage area we are the only provider...so yes having
quality internet makes the house more rentable
On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 4:25 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote:
Quality internet service makes a property more rentable? Now I'm sure
I've heard it all... LOL
Every
OTARD says the landlord can't tell you not to put an antenna on the
house. The landlord absolutely *can* tell you not to put holes in his
property. The FCC website on the topic spells this out pretty clearly.
I.E.: OTARD protects you if you can manage to install without any
penetrations.
On a more philosophical note: The FCC can write whatever rules they
want, but they were created to regulate communications, not personal
property. If I own a house (or a condo or rental property), I don't see
that the FCC has any authority to tell me that I have to let somebody
drill a hole
Ours run daily from around 1 or 2am to noon local-time. This is user
configurable on their side. The appliances can update at 1.3Gbps without
service interruption and routinely do. They said that this is also
configurable. Note that they usually deploy these in pairs so BOTH servers can
Perhaps. I would argue that if professionally installed there is no damage.
Again, the burden of proof is on the landlord.
John
-Original Message-
From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 6:24pm
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof
Bathtubs?
Chuck McCown wrote:
We fixed lots of roofs, windows, bathtubs, siding etc. But to restore
roof or siding to original condition is a different thing. Very
expensive at times.
*From:* Travis Johnson mailto:t...@ida.net
*Sent:* Monday, March 16, 2015 4:23 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
I’ve had multiple divorced dads say their kids won’t come visit them if they
can’t play XBox Live.
And guys who want the girlfriend to come live with them in the country and find
that Facebook and Netflix are table stakes.
And I do have some customers who buy a “rental house” near their own
Don't think so. The rules are clear that permitted restrictions have to be
reasonable and if there is a conflict the burden of proof is on the
landlord.
Further, restrictions cannot violate the impairment clause in section 2.2 i.e.
may not unreasonable delay or increase costs, or preclude
I'll need to get ours in there.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
To: Motorola III af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 10:16:36 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] The world's internet
I've been going by the FCC QA posted here:
http://www.fcc.gov/guides/over-air-reception-devices-rule#QA
Highlighting added by me
*Q: If I live in a condominium or an apartment building, does this rule
apply to me? *
*A: *The rule applies to antenna users who live in a multiple dwelling
Netflix only updates between midnight and 6 am. There is about 4TB to move.
Once the box is full, then it just does new content during the off hours. You
do need about 1 Gbps for the traffic but you can probably handle that during
the off hours.
From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Monday, March 16,
So like everything else they are talking out both sides of their mouth. The
problem becomes, how much aggravation does the landlord want to go through as
the burden of proof undisputedly lies with them.
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi
-Original Message-
The reason for the bigger pipe is that the server is constantly updating which
takes a boatload of bandwidth itself. You might find that your 1Gbps circuit
can’t handle the updates.
Rory
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 3:09 PM
To:
I think we've got a while...
On Monday, March 16, 2015, Forrest Christian (List Account)
li...@packetflux.com wrote:
I've long said that when they actually figure this out and make it work in
a small box on your desk, we'll all be out of work, as the other end will
be in a warehouse
Knocked out a large bottle glass block from the wall when a ladder slipped.
The glass block punched a hole in the bottom of a fiberglass bathtub.
From: Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 5:32 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof mount antenna
Bathtubs? isn't it
Maybe all governments speak from both sides of their mouth. In this
case I think there's a good reason for it, they say Landlords, you
cannot prohibit tenants from having an antenna. They're not saying,
Landlords, you must let John and Adam drill holes in your house,
because they straight up
Does the landlord own all four?
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi
-Original Message-
From: Darin Steffl darin.ste...@mnwifi.com
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 4:19pm
To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof mount antenna
I think it's if the roof that only the tenant has you're good. The share
space would be a roof or hallway that covers multiple units.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 4:19 PM, Darin Steffl
Paul,
What is your Guaranteed rate? How many Subs (max) do you have on any given
sector? And of course, what is the burst rate?
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 2:54 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote:
I think we do what you are describing. Burst (up to XX) amount and then
GUARANTEED sustain
That is fun. I think I recognize a few of them. Many of them in Utah and
Nevada are on BLM lands. You can sometimes get them real cheap if you agree to
the decommissioning rules. That part is the expensive part as they have
underground fuel tanks.
One I toured when still in operation and
He claims they keep him on a short leash. Maybe SLC would be outside the range
of his GPS ankle bracelet?
Best hope would be he attends via a MVPD like the Shelbot in Big Bang Theory.
The Stevebot!
From: CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 10:38 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re:
just wondering if the goofy characters that we see sometimes
happens when we are doing HTML. This is plain text, and I'm
betting that the goofy characters are a no show?
--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
yes. plain text works better. :)
- Original Message -
From: Bill Prince
To: Motorola III
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 11:37 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Test
just wondering if the goofy characters that we see sometimes
happens when we are doing HTML. This is
That's the key! Now the goofy characters will show up?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/16/2015 9:37 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
just wondering if the goofy characters that we see
sometimes happens when we are doing HTML. This is plain
text, and I'm betting that the
apparently we're out of deluxe syncinjectorscan we use a parasitic instead
with a sync injector?
we had a syncpipe die last night
Yes. There is a wiring thing you do on 2 ports of the parasitic to turn
it into a basic. If you want to emulate a deluxe, there is probably
something else you need to do, but I don't know exactly what it is.
Their web site calls the parasitic universal.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On
http://www.internetexchangemap.com/
+1
What Chuck said.
I did talk some with an engineer at MidNite Solar about using one of
their controllers this way. His comments were similar to what Chuck
said. One, you want a power supply that can supply enough current to
power the equipment, plus enough to charge the batteries at
Will these eventually have GPS sync with a firmware update for frequency reuse?
It's expected, yes.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote:
Will these eventually have GPS sync with a firmware update for frequency
reuse?
http://www.wired.com/2015/03/spencer-harding-the-long-lines/?utm_content=buffer5cb88
Gino A. Villarini
President
[cid:7DB94C46-DCD5-497B-AF98-B5D5B5DCF1DD]
I don't think he ever went... :)
- Original Message -
From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] My wife gets the credit
If Steve goes to AF next year, I will go again.
On 3/15/2015 9:52 AM,
Or, you could give your employees the amount you pay including the tax.
Don’t ever think that your employer in giving you something for free. You are
being compensated for your work in ways other than cash.
Its the same concept as taxing business. Businesses do not pay taxes, people
do. Yes,
Yes. It's the AP hardware. Just a software tick disabling sync right now.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 16, 2015 1:30 PM, Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote:
It's expected, yes.
Do they have a GPS antenna port?
Correct. The video shows the Force 110 which uses the Unsync’d radio
(identified by the two Ethernet ports). The Force 110 PTP comes with the
Connectorized radio with Sync (single GigE port and GPS chip/connectors/antenna
all included) but with a software tick (Thanks Josh. I’m using this going
Are you saying that the units will never do PTP sync? I understand that
you don't want them used for PTMP sync, but I don't see why you'd hinder
your product and our services by never enabling PTP sync.
Software tick is trademarked, you can use it if you enable PTP sync =)
Josh Luthman
Office:
Well, you did show up...
On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 1:07 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com
wrote:
goofy? I thought I was cool...wow...
Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390
On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 10:39 AM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
That's the key!
Software license? Auuugh. What happened to Cambium 2.0?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 2:00 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi
sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote:
No, that’s not what I said. The
http://manuals.packetflux.com/index.php?page=using-a-syncpipe-parasitic-with-a-syncinjector
On 3/16/2015 11:33 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
Yes.� There is a wiring thing you do on 2 ports of the parasitic to
turn it into a basic.� If you want to emulate a deluxe, there is
probably something else
It's expected, yes.
Do they have a GPS antenna port? Not seeing one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFyNKpoIHO4
Will these eventually have GPS sync with a firmware update for frequency
reuse?
That's just a standard Force 110 in that video - not a PTP, the PTP is the
exact same hardware as the synced AP and does have a GPS port (it even
comes with the GPS antenna), but has it currently has sync disabled in
software, but Cambium has stated that they are planning to enable sync for
goofy? I thought I was cool...wow...
Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390
On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 10:39 AM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
That's the key! Now the goofy characters will show up?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/16/2015 9:37 AM, Bill Prince
Mark,
The public ip + telnet will be fixed in 13.2.2. Your packet capture
pinpointed the issue, so than you for that. Open beta is now posted at
http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-Beta/BETA-System-Software-13-2-2-Build-5-is-now-available/m-p/39203#U39203
.
The NAT crash will be fixed in
This is from the FCC website re the OTARD FAQs:
The rule does not apply to common areas that are owned by a landlord, a
community association, or jointly by condominium or cooperative owners where
the antenna user does not have an exclusive use area. Such common areas may
include the roof or
This is why I always had each customer sign a document stating they are the
landlord and give permission. If they didn’t sign it we asked them to get the
actual landlord to sign or we would not do the install.
I think I would keep saying to talk to the tenant. Sit back and wait for the
If you drilled holes in the roof to mount an antenna, you caused damage.
If you drilled a hole to run the CAT5 cable into the house, you caused
damage.
Travis
On 3/16/2015 2:01 PM, John Woodfield wrote:
Does the tenant have exclusive right to the area of the roof where you
mounted the
Yup
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 7:05 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
geo...@cbcast.com wrote:
We will get sync over power too, right?
On 3/16/2015 2:09 PM, John Butler wrote:
The plan is
I bugged them for over a year and they finally gave us a set once we got up to
3.3Gbps peak. We got them deployed early last year. When I was discussing it
they said they were working on some sort of revision for remote POPs since
we’re in the same boat, but I haven’t seen anything come from
That's flexible mode though... I'm assuming latency is going to be the same
is it is with PtMP Synced mode, which I think is supposed to be about 17ms.
But I'm assuming that's going to be reduced quite a lot when the 2.5ms frame
size is available.
What is frame size now?
On Mon, Mar 16,
We'll see. I'll put my pitchfork down.. for now.
On 3/16/2015 6:07 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Yup
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 7:05 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
geo...@cbcast.com
it's 5ms now.
On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 5:45 PM, Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote:
That's flexible mode though... I'm assuming latency is going to be the
same
is it is with PtMP Synced mode, which I think is supposed to be about
17ms.
But I'm assuming that's going to be reduced quite
except that it's a townhouse and not a condo so the roof is an acceptable
place to mount.
On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com
wrote:
This is from the FCC website re the OTARD FAQs:
The rule does not apply to common areas that are owned by a landlord, a
That's flexible mode though... I'm assuming latency is going to be the same
is it is with PtMP Synced mode, which I think is supposed to be about 17ms.
But I'm assuming that's going to be reduced quite a lot when the 2.5ms
frame size is available.
On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Josh Luthman
We will get sync over power too, right?
On 3/16/2015 2:09 PM, John Butler wrote:
The plan is that there will be a software upgrade that will allow you
to enable GPS Sync mode of operation, but only in the PTP
configuration – that is one “SM” connected. You will not need to
purchase a
We fixed lots of roofs, windows, bathtubs, siding etc. But to restore roof or
siding to original condition is a different thing. Very expensive at times.
From: Travis Johnson
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 4:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof mount antenna
In
I believe Cambium confirmed that on here less than a week ago.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 9:43:54 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP
Anybody have any insight on this company? We acquired 300 ft. (20ft sections)
of an angle iron style tower recently in pretty good condition. However, we
cant seem to find company information on it.
This is stamped on some of the pieces...Tower Construction Corp- Sioux City,
Iowa
Paul
In this situation (which happened several times, regardless of who signs
what document, etc. etc.) we would go remove our equipment and fix the
damage at our cost. It's not worth all the headaches and issues in the
future.
Travis
On 3/16/2015 1:56 PM, Darin Steffl wrote:
Hey all,
So I got
So the landlord owns 6 townhomes and they all share the same roof. It
sounds like this is a common space and one not protected by OTARD if I read
it right. If that sounds right to you guys, my next option would be to ask
permission on behalf of the tenant to leave the equipment up since it's
I've long said that when they actually figure this out and make it work in
a small box on your desk, we'll all be out of work, as the other end will
be in a warehouse somewhere with a few million others. Probably owned by
Google.
On Mar 16, 2015 3:26 PM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote:
Quality internet service makes a property more rentable? Now I'm sure
I've heard it all... LOL
Every tenant is going to request what they think is the best
internet... they don't care what was there before, or what will be there
after them. When this tenant moves out, they will call and
Bathtubs? isn't it kind of a bad idea to be installing internet service
into a bathtub in the first place?
On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 5:29 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
We fixed lots of roofs, windows, bathtubs, siding etc. But to restore
roof or siding to original condition is a
If it's four townhouses as in one large building with three vertical partitions
for separate units... the roof over the tenant is fair game.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Darin Steffl
+1
Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735
[cid:image001.png@01D06015.AEE02810]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 5:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof mount antenna
This is why I always
Yes!!
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 3:09 PM, John Butler
john.but...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote:
The plan is that there will be a software upgrade that will allow you to
enable GPS Sync mode of
Do I have to put away my pitchfork?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/16/2015 12:16 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Excellent! I guess we won't be needing an angry mob then...
On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
The plan is that there will be a software upgrade that will allow you to enable
GPS Sync mode of operation, but only in the PTP configuration – that is one
“SM” connected. You will not need to purchase a license key to enable that.
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George
Dude, for real, more licensing?
On 3/16/2015 1:02 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Software license? Auuugh. What happened to Cambium 2.0?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 2:00 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi
Do you have anything that the tenant signed saying they accept responsibility?
I've had a few of those over the years - usually they cool down and it goes
away. about 75/25.
From: Af af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of Darin Steffl
darin.ste...@mnwifi.com
The newer PTP mode is ~2ms. Older is ~8ms I think?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote:
Any guess on latency when in this mode?
On Monday, March 16, 2015,
It appears to be 4 town houses connected to each other and our tech mounted
over the tenants unit so I would assume it would be exclusive use and not a
shared space?
On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 3:16 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
wrote:
I would tell the landlord that you arent doing
The clarification seems to make the pitchfork unnecessary.
Do I have to put away my pitchfork?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/16/2015 12:16 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Excellent! I guess we won't be needing an angry mob then...
On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Josh Luthman
Hey all,
So I got an angry call from a owner of a townhouse who rents it out to one
of our new internet customers. We were never made aware the home was a
rental in any way. Our techs always ask permission on where to mount the
dish and bring in the wire and they were given approval to mount the
Does the tenant have exclusive right to the area of the roof where you mounted
the antenna or is it a shared area among tenants? Does the landlord own
multiple units there or just the unit where you installed the antenna?
Its obviously an OTARD issue and I would tell the landlord to pound
OTARD rules cover it.
It's s town home so you can mount anywhere on their portion of the building
including the roof.
If he has an issue with the cable and holes he needs to talk to the renter.
You could also let him know that quality internet service makes his
property more rentable.
On
Any guess on latency when in this mode?
On Monday, March 16, 2015, John Butler john.but...@cambiumnetworks.com
wrote:
The plan is that there will be a software upgrade that will allow you to
enable GPS Sync mode of operation, but only in the PTP configuration –
that is one “SM” connected.
I would tell the landlord that you arent doing anything just yet, and tell
the landlord and the tenant to come to an arrangement. Discuss with the
landlord that had you been aware it is a rental you would have contacted
him, but at this point it is a lease issue on the part of the tenant. in
the
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