Re: [AFMUG] Fiber maximum throughout

[fiberrun]

> Nobody yet knows the theoretical max as you can jack up the power
> until things start melting and get more bandwidth.  
  Not quite. You can't just jack up the power, unless you also manage to 
improve your SNR. The maximum theoretical bandwidth of singlemode fiber is 
dependent on SNR and whether the channel is linear or not. 

  Assuming a SNR of 30dB and a linear channel, the maximum bandwidth of 
singlemode fiber is about 100 Tbps. 
  
  This is for the usable parts of infrared light (amplifiable C and L bands in 
single mode fiber). This is about 10 Thz. According to Shannon's theorem the 
theoretical upper limit for symbol rate in a linear channel with 30db SNR is 10 
bits/s/Hz, independent of modulation format. Multiplying, we get 100 Tbps. 

  If you can up the SNR, use non-linear effects or use more spectrum then your 
bandwidth goes up. 

  Current commercial products provide about 10 Tbps per fiber pair. Google does 
this on the FASTER subsea cable with 100 DWDM waves at 100 Gbps. The Internet2 
uses 88 DWDM waves at 100 Gbps. 

  However, the optical channel is not the only limiting factor. One of the 
reasons why 100 Gbps is where we are at right now is that electronics have 
trouble keeping up with faster switching speeds. That's why there is so much 
effort to go all optical on all levels of networking. 

Jared

Re: [AFMUG] hardest thing I've had to do with this biz...

[Bruce Robertson]

Hey Robert, I'm here in Reno, with WISP experience.  I'm off work until 
Wednesday.  Please let me know if I can help in any way!


On 10/14/16 5:13 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
Today in Reno a prescribed burn that was supposed to be out two days 
ago blew up and took out 19 homes.   A large number of them were 
customers including two repeater locations. How do I go to the people 
who lost their homes and ask to rebuild the repeaters on the ashes?   
Sometimes this job really sucks...


Robert


!DSPAM:2,58017490150831791814208!

Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Yes

On Oct 14, 2016 10:47 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> Is that sarcasm or serious?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Friday, October 14, 2016 10:18 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"
>
>
>
> Because you porn and xnxx say buffering when they pause to buffer
>
>
>
> On Oct 14, 2016 9:34 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>
> But that’s not what I’m talking about.  I’m wondering if when a customer
> talks about “buffering”, he really means having to wait for the video to
> start playing.
>
>
>
> And maybe I’m confused because I assume everyone is using Netflix.  And
> I’m pretty sure Netflix starts the stream at a low quality so it starts
> quickly, and then ramps up the quality as the buffer fills, since their
> technology allows changing the stream quality on the fly.  Other services
> like maybe Hulu and Amazon Prime may behave differently.
>
>
>
> Also with my default assumption that people are using Netflix, I don’t
> expect rebuffering because it’s been years since Netflix needed to stop and
> rebuffer at a lower stream rate, I think they do that pretty seamlessly now.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Friday, October 14, 2016 9:09 PM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"
>
>
>
> Well, people certainly want connections that support multiple streams.
> Paying for it, I'm not so sure about... at least around these parts.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
> wrote:
>
> Have you ever seen a 1080p youtube video load on a 1GbE active-E FTTH ISP
> that has direct peering with Google from a router 2.5ms upstream?  It's a
> beautiful thing.
>
> People will absolutely pay for connections that support multiple streams,
> take a typical family of 4 or 5 people with kids that want to watch videos
> on tablets simultaneously...
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 6:49 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> When people say their video is “buffering”, I assume they mean
> re-buffering, where the video stops and starts.
>
>
>
> I’m starting to  wonder if some people are referring to the delay before
> the video starts playing.  Is this a thing?  And do people pay for faster
> Internet just to make the video start faster, like cut 15-20 seconds down
> to 5 or 10 seconds?
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

[Ken Hohhof]

Is that sarcasm or serious?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 10:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

 

Because you porn and xnxx say buffering when they pause to buffer

 

On Oct 14, 2016 9:34 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  
> wrote:

But that’s not what I’m talking about.  I’m wondering if when a customer talks 
about “buffering”, he really means having to wait for the video to start 
playing.

 

And maybe I’m confused because I assume everyone is using Netflix.  And I’m 
pretty sure Netflix starts the stream at a low quality so it starts quickly, 
and then ramps up the quality as the buffer fills, since their technology 
allows changing the stream quality on the fly.  Other services like maybe Hulu 
and Amazon Prime may behave differently.

 

Also with my default assumption that people are using Netflix, I don’t expect 
rebuffering because it’s been years since Netflix needed to stop and rebuffer 
at a lower stream rate, I think they do that pretty seamlessly now.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 9:09 PM
To: af  >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

 

Well, people certainly want connections that support multiple streams. Paying 
for it, I'm not so sure about... at least around these parts.

 

On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Eric Kuhnke  > wrote:

Have you ever seen a 1080p youtube video load on a 1GbE active-E FTTH ISP that 
has direct peering with Google from a router 2.5ms upstream?  It's a beautiful 
thing.

People will absolutely pay for connections that support multiple streams, take 
a typical family of 4 or 5 people with kids that want to watch videos on 
tablets simultaneously...

 

On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 6:49 PM, Ken Hohhof  > wrote:

When people say their video is “buffering”, I assume they mean re-buffering, 
where the video stops and starts.

 

I’m starting to  wonder if some people are referring to the delay before the 
video starts playing.  Is this a thing?  And do people pay for faster Internet 
just to make the video start faster, like cut 15-20 seconds down to 5 or 10 
seconds?

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Because you porn and xnxx say buffering when they pause to buffer

On Oct 14, 2016 9:34 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> But that’s not what I’m talking about.  I’m wondering if when a customer
> talks about “buffering”, he really means having to wait for the video to
> start playing.
>
>
>
> And maybe I’m confused because I assume everyone is using Netflix.  And
> I’m pretty sure Netflix starts the stream at a low quality so it starts
> quickly, and then ramps up the quality as the buffer fills, since their
> technology allows changing the stream quality on the fly.  Other services
> like maybe Hulu and Amazon Prime may behave differently.
>
>
>
> Also with my default assumption that people are using Netflix, I don’t
> expect rebuffering because it’s been years since Netflix needed to stop and
> rebuffer at a lower stream rate, I think they do that pretty seamlessly now.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Friday, October 14, 2016 9:09 PM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"
>
>
>
> Well, people certainly want connections that support multiple streams.
> Paying for it, I'm not so sure about... at least around these parts.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
> wrote:
>
> Have you ever seen a 1080p youtube video load on a 1GbE active-E FTTH ISP
> that has direct peering with Google from a router 2.5ms upstream?  It's a
> beautiful thing.
>
> People will absolutely pay for connections that support multiple streams,
> take a typical family of 4 or 5 people with kids that want to watch videos
> on tablets simultaneously...
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 6:49 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> When people say their video is “buffering”, I assume they mean
> re-buffering, where the video stops and starts.
>
>
>
> I’m starting to  wonder if some people are referring to the delay before
> the video starts playing.  Is this a thing?  And do people pay for faster
> Internet just to make the video start faster, like cut 15-20 seconds down
> to 5 or 10 seconds?
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] hardest thing I've had to do with this biz...

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

To be honest, it could be helpful. After a disaster until there is
something that sets in in a controlled manner it's pandemonium. Normalcy,
even others, puts the future back on the horizon. The scope of a major loss
can be overwhelming. And not to be the dickbag, but this is a potential pr
goldmine, it's not pretty, but it's a shame to ever let a good tragedy go
to waste. Move in, prioritize getting some temporary communications back in
order, maybe even pair up with a list vendor to donate some ruckus (dan?)
Make sure your guys throw a cooler full of gatorades in the truck to put on
the curb for work crews. Donate some company shirts to the folks to destroy
why they sift through the rubble that was their dreams, a few bundles of
work gloves. Give your crews some leverage to step away and lend a hand,
maybe throw a couple extra hands on your crew so you don't lose work time
getting yourself back in order. The marketing thing I read once set a 16 to
one ratio, they say one bad review or disgruntled customers takes 16 happy
ones to offset. Being part of a disaster recovery can really give you some
leverage on that ratio...or you could do it all solely because contrary
to the vitriol I spit out, humanity is actually inherently good

On Oct 14, 2016 8:42 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:

If someone started a fire that they couldn't control and it burned down my
house, they're gonna get shot. You either pay for your mistake, in full, or
hope you end up in prison before I can get to you. I don't even want free
shit, just fix what you broke.

But that's just me.


On 10/14/2016 8:28 PM, Robert wrote:

> Hopefully...  Turns out the prescribed burn was a UNR/NDF project and some
> have talked about soverign immunity.. Hopefully not...   I have one
> customer that lost everything and I'm pretty sure they have no insurance..
>
> On 10/14/16 5:35 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
>> We had a whole neighborhood burned to the ground earlier this summer.
>> All mobile/manufactured homes.  Some with zero insurance.  At least your
>> folks will have a claim against whoever was doing the burn.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
>> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 6:13 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] hardest thing I've had to do with this biz...
>>
>> Today in Reno a prescribed burn that was supposed to be out two days ago
>> blew up and took out 19 homes.   A large number of them were customers
>> including two repeater locations.   How do I go to the people who lost
>> their homes and ask to rebuild the repeaters on the ashes? Sometimes
>> this job really sucks...
>>
>> Robert
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT cheap and easy website

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I did the godard freebie a few years ago, management interface sucked so
bad I gave up. I don't know if it's still whatever it is, but if it is,
just burn it with fire

On Oct 14, 2016 7:10 PM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

Yep.  I think if you transfer the domain you'll save money FYI.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Oct 14, 2016 7:09 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> Oh, so they host too.  I already have the domains.
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Friday, October 14, 2016 6:08 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cheap and easy website
>
>
> It's super super cheap, including domain and web hosting.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Oct 14, 2016 7:07 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> Free?
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Friday, October 14, 2016 6:06 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cheap and easy website
>>
>>
>> Wix for sure.
>>
>> Car club took like 20 minutes - ohiogclub.com
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Oct 14, 2016 7:05 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>
>>> Need to put up another website.  Considering using the Godaddy hosting
>>> service they recommend when you get a new domain.
>>>
>>> Now I gotta decide whether or not to use that site builder template
>>> service they also offer or to force myself to learn wordpress etc.  Too
>>> lazy to just old fashioned HTML it.
>>>
>>> Any recommendations?  Few links and  pages and tabs.  Nothing fancy.
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Facebook (was: antenna pattern for baicells UE)

[Ken Hohhof]

Me too, I couldn’t resist quoting Yogi.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 9:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Facebook (was: antenna pattern for baicells UE)

 

I know, I'm just being a wise ass.

 

We use FB for all the things you listed as well.  

 

I personally quit FB about 4-5 years ago...to much 1984 in my opinion.  People 
freely give up a lot of privacy to a private company that uses that data to 
make billions and knows WAY too much about everyone and how we are 
interconnected.

 

2 cents

 

-Sean



On Friday, October 14, 2016, Jesse Dupont  > wrote:

We use FB a lot. We have more followers/likes than customers. We use it for 
outage notifications, new sites/area announcements, ask customers to 
review/rate us, etc, etc. We answer support and new service requests there, 
too. It's also by far the most bang for your buck as an advertising medium.

 





On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 6:47 PM -0600, "Ken Hohhof"  > wrote:

Nobody goes there anymore, it’s too crowded.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com 
 ] On Behalf Of Josh 
Luthman
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 6:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] antenna pattern for baicells UE

 

One of the most popular sites in the world so...bunch!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Oct 14, 2016 6:02 PM, "Sean Heskett"  > wrote:

what is this "book of face" to which you are referring?!?!

 

seriously, who still uses Facebook???

 

-Sean

 

 

 

On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 3:28 PM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:

Rick posted the beam width on the Facebook group in the last couple weeks

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340  
Direct: 937-552-2343  
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Oct 14, 2016 2:15 PM, "Adam Moffett"  > wrote:

Does anybody happen to have the polar antenna pattern for the 19dbi Baicells 
CPE?

 

If not, does anybody know what the horizontal beamwidth is?

 

Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

[Ken Hohhof]

But that’s not what I’m talking about.  I’m wondering if when a customer talks 
about “buffering”, he really means having to wait for the video to start 
playing.

 

And maybe I’m confused because I assume everyone is using Netflix.  And I’m 
pretty sure Netflix starts the stream at a low quality so it starts quickly, 
and then ramps up the quality as the buffer fills, since their technology 
allows changing the stream quality on the fly.  Other services like maybe Hulu 
and Amazon Prime may behave differently.

 

Also with my default assumption that people are using Netflix, I don’t expect 
rebuffering because it’s been years since Netflix needed to stop and rebuffer 
at a lower stream rate, I think they do that pretty seamlessly now.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 9:09 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

 

Well, people certainly want connections that support multiple streams. Paying 
for it, I'm not so sure about... at least around these parts.

 

On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Eric Kuhnke  > wrote:

Have you ever seen a 1080p youtube video load on a 1GbE active-E FTTH ISP that 
has direct peering with Google from a router 2.5ms upstream?  It's a beautiful 
thing.

People will absolutely pay for connections that support multiple streams, take 
a typical family of 4 or 5 people with kids that want to watch videos on 
tablets simultaneously...

 

On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 6:49 PM, Ken Hohhof  > wrote:

When people say their video is “buffering”, I assume they mean re-buffering, 
where the video stops and starts.

 

I’m starting to  wonder if some people are referring to the delay before the 
video starts playing.  Is this a thing?  And do people pay for faster Internet 
just to make the video start faster, like cut 15-20 seconds down to 5 or 10 
seconds?

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Facebook (was: antenna pattern for baicells UE)

[Joe Novak]

Agreed Sean.

I had to go back to be a part of the Baicells group. Too much valuable
information to miss out on.

I was just a little sad. I could've went my whole life without signing up
again.

On Oct 14, 2016 9:07 PM, "Sean Heskett"  wrote:

> I know, I'm just being a wise ass.
>
> We use FB for all the things you listed as well.
>
> I personally quit FB about 4-5 years ago...to much 1984 in my opinion.
> People freely give up a lot of privacy to a private company that uses that
> data to make billions and knows WAY too much about everyone and how we are
> interconnected.
>
> 2 cents
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Friday, October 14, 2016, Jesse Dupont 
> wrote:
>
>> We use FB a lot. We have more followers/likes than customers. We use it
>> for outage notifications, new sites/area announcements, ask customers to
>> review/rate us, etc, etc. We answer support and new service requests there,
>> too. It's also by far the most bang for your buck as an advertising medium.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 6:47 PM -0600, "Ken Hohhof" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Nobody goes there anymore, it’s too crowded.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>>> *Sent:* Friday, October 14, 2016 6:52 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] antenna pattern for baicells UE
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> One of the most popular sites in the world so...bunch!
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 14, 2016 6:02 PM, "Sean Heskett"  wrote:
>>>
>>> what is this "book of face" to which you are referring?!?!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> seriously, who still uses Facebook???
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Sean
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 3:28 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Rick posted the beam width on the Facebook group in the last couple weeks
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 14, 2016 2:15 PM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:
>>>
>>> Does anybody happen to have the polar antenna pattern for the 19dbi
>>> Baicells CPE?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If not, does anybody know what the horizontal beamwidth is?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Facebook (was: antenna pattern for baicells UE)

[Jesse Dupont]

Yeah, I completely agree about people indiscriminately being too liberal with 
their personal information. 






On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 8:07 PM -0600, "Sean Heskett"  wrote:










I know, I'm just being a wise ass.
We use FB for all the things you listed as well.  
I personally quit FB about 4-5 years ago...to much 1984 in my opinion.  People 
freely give up a lot of privacy to a private company that uses that data to 
make billions and knows WAY too much about everyone and how we are 
interconnected.
2 cents
-Sean

On Friday, October 14, 2016, Jesse Dupont  wrote:
We use FB a lot. We have more followers/likes than customers. We use it for 
outage notifications, new sites/area announcements, ask customers to 
review/rate us, etc, etc. We answer support and new service requests there, 
too. It's also by far the most bang for your buck as an advertising medium.






On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 6:47 PM -0600, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:












Nobody goes there anymore, it’s too crowded.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 6:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] antenna pattern for baicells UE

 

One of the most popular sites in the world so...bunch!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Oct 14, 2016 6:02 PM, "Sean Heskett"  wrote:

what is this "book of face" to which you are referring?!?!

 

seriously, who still uses Facebook???

 

-Sean

 

 

 

On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 3:28 PM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

Rick posted the beam width on the Facebook group in the last couple weeks

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Oct 14, 2016 2:15 PM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:

Does anybody happen to have the polar antenna pattern for the 19dbi Baicells 
CPE?

 

If not, does anybody know what the horizontal beamwidth is?

 

Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

[Mathew Howard]

Well, people certainly want connections that support multiple streams.
Paying for it, I'm not so sure about... at least around these parts.


On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

> Have you ever seen a 1080p youtube video load on a 1GbE active-E FTTH ISP
> that has direct peering with Google from a router 2.5ms upstream?  It's a
> beautiful thing.
>
> People will absolutely pay for connections that support multiple streams,
> take a typical family of 4 or 5 people with kids that want to watch videos
> on tablets simultaneously...
>
> On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 6:49 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> When people say their video is “buffering”, I assume they mean
>> re-buffering, where the video stops and starts.
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m starting to  wonder if some people are referring to the delay before
>> the video starts playing.  Is this a thing?  And do people pay for faster
>> Internet just to make the video start faster, like cut 15-20 seconds down
>> to 5 or 10 seconds?
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Facebook (was: antenna pattern for baicells UE)

[Sean Heskett]

I know, I'm just being a wise ass.

We use FB for all the things you listed as well.

I personally quit FB about 4-5 years ago...to much 1984 in my opinion.
People freely give up a lot of privacy to a private company that uses that
data to make billions and knows WAY too much about everyone and how we are
interconnected.

2 cents

-Sean


On Friday, October 14, 2016, Jesse Dupont 
wrote:

> We use FB a lot. We have more followers/likes than customers. We use it
> for outage notifications, new sites/area announcements, ask customers to
> review/rate us, etc, etc. We answer support and new service requests there,
> too. It's also by far the most bang for your buck as an advertising medium.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 6:47 PM -0600, "Ken Hohhof"  > wrote:
>
> Nobody goes there anymore, it’s too crowded.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>> ] *On Behalf Of *Josh
>> Luthman
>> *Sent:* Friday, October 14, 2016 6:52 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] antenna pattern for baicells UE
>>
>>
>>
>> One of the most popular sites in the world so...bunch!
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 14, 2016 6:02 PM, "Sean Heskett" > > wrote:
>>
>> what is this "book of face" to which you are referring?!?!
>>
>>
>>
>> seriously, who still uses Facebook???
>>
>>
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 3:28 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>> Rick posted the beam width on the Facebook group in the last couple weeks
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 14, 2016 2:15 PM, "Adam Moffett" > > wrote:
>>
>> Does anybody happen to have the polar antenna pattern for the 19dbi
>> Baicells CPE?
>>
>>
>>
>> If not, does anybody know what the horizontal beamwidth is?
>>
>>
>>
>>

[AFMUG] OT: Facebook (was: antenna pattern for baicells UE)

[Jesse Dupont]

We use FB a lot. We have more followers/likes than customers. We use it for 
outage notifications, new sites/area announcements, ask customers to 
review/rate us, etc, etc. We answer support and new service requests there, 
too. It's also by far the most bang for your buck as an advertising medium.






On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 6:47 PM -0600, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:












Nobody goes there anymore, it’s too crowded.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 6:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] antenna pattern for baicells UE

 

One of the most popular sites in the world so...bunch!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Oct 14, 2016 6:02 PM, "Sean Heskett"  wrote:

what is this "book of face" to which you are referring?!?!

 

seriously, who still uses Facebook???

 

-Sean

 

 

 

On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 3:28 PM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

Rick posted the beam width on the Facebook group in the last couple weeks

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Oct 14, 2016 2:15 PM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:

Does anybody happen to have the polar antenna pattern for the 19dbi Baicells 
CPE?

 

If not, does anybody know what the horizontal beamwidth is?

 

Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

[Eric Kuhnke]

Have you ever seen a 1080p youtube video load on a 1GbE active-E FTTH ISP
that has direct peering with Google from a router 2.5ms upstream?  It's a
beautiful thing.

People will absolutely pay for connections that support multiple streams,
take a typical family of 4 or 5 people with kids that want to watch videos
on tablets simultaneously...

On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 6:49 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> When people say their video is “buffering”, I assume they mean
> re-buffering, where the video stops and starts.
>
>
>
> I’m starting to  wonder if some people are referring to the delay before
> the video starts playing.  Is this a thing?  And do people pay for faster
> Internet just to make the video start faster, like cut 15-20 seconds down
> to 5 or 10 seconds?
>

[AFMUG] "buffering"

[Ken Hohhof]

When people say their video is "buffering", I assume they mean re-buffering,
where the video stops and starts.

 

I'm starting to  wonder if some people are referring to the delay before the
video starts playing.  Is this a thing?  And do people pay for faster
Internet just to make the video start faster, like cut 15-20 seconds down to
5 or 10 seconds?

Re: [AFMUG] hardest thing I've had to do with this biz...

[George Skorup]

If someone started a fire that they couldn't control and it burned down 
my house, they're gonna get shot. You either pay for your mistake, in 
full, or hope you end up in prison before I can get to you. I don't even 
want free shit, just fix what you broke.


But that's just me.

On 10/14/2016 8:28 PM, Robert wrote:
Hopefully...  Turns out the prescribed burn was a UNR/NDF project and 
some have talked about soverign immunity.. Hopefully not...   I have 
one customer that lost everything and I'm pretty sure they have no 
insurance..


On 10/14/16 5:35 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

We had a whole neighborhood burned to the ground earlier this summer.
All mobile/manufactured homes.  Some with zero insurance.  At least your
folks will have a claim against whoever was doing the burn.

-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 6:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] hardest thing I've had to do with this biz...

Today in Reno a prescribed burn that was supposed to be out two days ago
blew up and took out 19 homes.   A large number of them were customers
including two repeater locations.   How do I go to the people who lost
their homes and ask to rebuild the repeaters on the ashes? Sometimes
this job really sucks...

Robert

Re: [AFMUG] hardest thing I've had to do with this biz...

[Robert]

Hopefully...  Turns out the prescribed burn was a UNR/NDF project and 
some have talked about soverign immunity..  Hopefully not...   I have 
one customer that lost everything and I'm pretty sure they have no 
insurance..


On 10/14/16 5:35 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

We had a whole neighborhood burned to the ground earlier this summer.
All mobile/manufactured homes.  Some with zero insurance.  At least your
folks will have a claim against whoever was doing the burn.

-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 6:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] hardest thing I've had to do with this biz...

Today in Reno a prescribed burn that was supposed to be out two days ago
blew up and took out 19 homes.   A large number of them were customers
including two repeater locations.   How do I go to the people who lost
their homes and ask to rebuild the repeaters on the ashes?   Sometimes
this job really sucks...

Robert

Re: [AFMUG] hardest thing I've had to do with this biz...

[Jason Wilson]

Set a power Pole, Have temp power brought in (The county should be more
than wiling to work with you on the permit) and use that for your AP's  And
yes free wifi to the neighborhood since they have no power.


Jason Wilson
Remotely Located
Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
530-651-1736
530-748-9608 Cell
www.remotelylocated.com

On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 5:35 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> We had a whole neighborhood burned to the ground earlier this summer.  All
> mobile/manufactured homes.  Some with zero insurance.  At least your folks
> will have a claim against whoever was doing the burn.
>
> -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 6:13 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] hardest thing I've had to do with this biz...
>
>
> Today in Reno a prescribed burn that was supposed to be out two days ago
> blew up and took out 19 homes.   A large number of them were customers
> including two repeater locations.   How do I go to the people who lost
> their homes and ask to rebuild the repeaters on the ashes?   Sometimes
> this job really sucks...
>
> Robert
>

Re: [AFMUG] hardest thing I've had to do with this biz...

[Chuck McCown]

We had a whole neighborhood burned to the ground earlier this summer.  All 
mobile/manufactured homes.  Some with zero insurance.  At least your folks 
will have a claim against whoever was doing the burn.


-Original Message- 
From: Robert Andrews

Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 6:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] hardest thing I've had to do with this biz...

Today in Reno a prescribed burn that was supposed to be out two days ago
blew up and took out 19 homes.   A large number of them were customers
including two repeater locations.   How do I go to the people who lost
their homes and ask to rebuild the repeaters on the ashes?   Sometimes
this job really sucks...

Robert 

Re: [AFMUG] hardest thing I've had to do with this biz...

[Josh Luthman]

Then plant some free Wi-Fi at the base.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Oct 14, 2016 7:20 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> All sensitivity aside,
> I would head to harbor freight.
> Buy two of their largest trailers.
> Go get some tower sections.  Weld them to the trailers.
> Park near power and put up some radios.
>
> You can sandbag the trailers.  Adding outriggers really helps a bunch.
> Or guy wires tied to barrels full of water or sand.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Friday, October 14, 2016 6:15 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] hardest thing I've had to do with this biz...
>
>
> Oh man.  Put in Gods hands ..
>
> On Oct 14, 2016 6:13 PM, "Robert Andrews"  wrote:
>
>> Today in Reno a prescribed burn that was supposed to be out two days ago
>> blew up and took out 19 homes.   A large number of them were customers
>> including two repeater locations.   How do I go to the people who lost
>> their homes and ask to rebuild the repeaters on the ashes?   Sometimes this
>> job really sucks...
>>
>> Robert
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] hardest thing I've had to do with this biz...

[Robert Andrews]

Actually putting up the transmitters will be dead nuts simple.   Both 
locations were on hills.   10 foot pole in the ground with guys will do 
it.   More about no 110ac and needing to do solar.   Mostly about 
dealing with locations where people lost everything...


:(

On 10/14/2016 05:20 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

All sensitivity aside,
I would head to harbor freight.
Buy two of their largest trailers.
Go get some tower sections.  Weld them to the trailers.
Park near power and put up some radios.
You can sandbag the trailers.  Adding outriggers really helps a bunch.
Or guy wires tied to barrels full of water or sand.
*From:* Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Friday, October 14, 2016 6:15 PM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] hardest thing I've had to do with this biz...

Oh man.  Put in Gods hands ..

On Oct 14, 2016 6:13 PM, "Robert Andrews"  wrote:

Today in Reno a prescribed burn that was supposed to be out two days
ago blew up and took out 19 homes.   A large number of them were
customers including two repeater locations.   How do I go to the
people who lost their homes and ask to rebuild the repeaters on the
ashes?   Sometimes this job really sucks...

Robert

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber maximum throughout

[Eric Kuhnke]

Here's a good primer on super channels (larger-than-standard ITU DWDM grid
spacing, high capacity DWDM stuff)

https://www.infinera.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/SuperChannel_WhitePaper.pdf

On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 4:47 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:

> What is the current max throughout that can be sent over a single or two
> strands of fiber? I'm assuming 100g x dwdm ? Atleast 100 x 10gbps?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber maximum throughout

[Eric Kuhnke]

Max throughput you could do right now with something you can buy, expensive
DWDM systems that can do 200 or 400 Gbps 16QAM modulated "super channels".
Each carrying two or four 100GbE circuits. Multiplied by about 40 channels.

Or 80 channel x 100GbE QPSK or 16QAM modulated DWDM systems with direct 1:1
mapping


On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 4:47 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:

> What is the current max throughout that can be sent over a single or two
> strands of fiber? I'm assuming 100g x dwdm ? Atleast 100 x 10gbps?
>

[AFMUG] iptv - from the wispa show

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

which i did not make it to

any comments on this from attendees or otherwise?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iJUfZYZuEE

thanks to mike hammett for ambushing the vendors as he usually does :)

mike - did you get any info on CTI's offering? (did i hear that right?)

why am i home on a friday night?

thanks!

Re: [AFMUG] hardest thing I've had to do with this biz...

[Chuck McCown]

All sensitivity aside,
I would head to harbor freight.
Buy two of their largest trailers.
Go get some tower sections.  Weld them to the trailers.
Park near power and put up some radios.  

You can sandbag the trailers.  Adding outriggers really helps a bunch.
Or guy wires tied to barrels full of water or sand.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 6:15 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] hardest thing I've had to do with this biz...

Oh man.  Put in Gods hands ..


On Oct 14, 2016 6:13 PM, "Robert Andrews"  wrote:

  Today in Reno a prescribed burn that was supposed to be out two days ago blew 
up and took out 19 homes.   A large number of them were customers including two 
repeater locations.   How do I go to the people who lost their homes and ask to 
rebuild the repeaters on the ashes?   Sometimes this job really sucks...

  Robert

Re: [AFMUG] hardest thing I've had to do with this biz...

[Jaime Solorza]

Oh man.  Put in Gods hands ..

On Oct 14, 2016 6:13 PM, "Robert Andrews"  wrote:

> Today in Reno a prescribed burn that was supposed to be out two days ago
> blew up and took out 19 homes.   A large number of them were customers
> including two repeater locations.   How do I go to the people who lost
> their homes and ask to rebuild the repeaters on the ashes?   Sometimes this
> job really sucks...
>
> Robert
>

[AFMUG] hardest thing I've had to do with this biz...

[Robert Andrews]

Today in Reno a prescribed burn that was supposed to be out two days ago 
blew up and took out 19 homes.   A large number of them were customers 
including two repeater locations.   How do I go to the people who lost 
their homes and ask to rebuild the repeaters on the ashes?   Sometimes 
this job really sucks...


Robert

Re: [AFMUG] OT cheap and easy website

[Josh Luthman]

Yep.  I think if you transfer the domain you'll save money FYI.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Oct 14, 2016 7:09 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> Oh, so they host too.  I already have the domains.
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Friday, October 14, 2016 6:08 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cheap and easy website
>
>
> It's super super cheap, including domain and web hosting.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Oct 14, 2016 7:07 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> Free?
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Friday, October 14, 2016 6:06 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cheap and easy website
>>
>>
>> Wix for sure.
>>
>> Car club took like 20 minutes - ohiogclub.com
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Oct 14, 2016 7:05 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>
>>> Need to put up another website.  Considering using the Godaddy hosting
>>> service they recommend when you get a new domain.
>>>
>>> Now I gotta decide whether or not to use that site builder template
>>> service they also offer or to force myself to learn wordpress etc.  Too
>>> lazy to just old fashioned HTML it.
>>>
>>> Any recommendations?  Few links and  pages and tabs.  Nothing fancy.
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT cheap and easy website

[Chuck McCown]

Oh, so they host too.  I already have the domains.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 6:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cheap and easy website

It's super super cheap, including domain and web hosting.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Oct 14, 2016 7:07 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  Free?

  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 6:06 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cheap and easy website

  Wix for sure.

  Car club took like 20 minutes - ohiogclub.com

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373


  On Oct 14, 2016 7:05 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

Need to put up another website.  Considering using the Godaddy hosting 
service they recommend when you get a new domain.  

Now I gotta decide whether or not to use that site builder template service 
they also offer or to force myself to learn wordpress etc.  Too lazy to just 
old fashioned HTML it.  

Any recommendations?  Few links and  pages and tabs.  Nothing fancy.

Re: [AFMUG] OT cheap and easy website

[Josh Luthman]

It's super super cheap, including domain and web hosting.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Oct 14, 2016 7:07 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> Free?
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Friday, October 14, 2016 6:06 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cheap and easy website
>
>
> Wix for sure.
>
> Car club took like 20 minutes - ohiogclub.com
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Oct 14, 2016 7:05 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> Need to put up another website.  Considering using the Godaddy hosting
>> service they recommend when you get a new domain.
>>
>> Now I gotta decide whether or not to use that site builder template
>> service they also offer or to force myself to learn wordpress etc.  Too
>> lazy to just old fashioned HTML it.
>>
>> Any recommendations?  Few links and  pages and tabs.  Nothing fancy.
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT cheap and easy website

[Chuck McCown]

Free?

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 6:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cheap and easy website

Wix for sure.

Car club took like 20 minutes - ohiogclub.com

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Oct 14, 2016 7:05 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  Need to put up another website.  Considering using the Godaddy hosting 
service they recommend when you get a new domain.  

  Now I gotta decide whether or not to use that site builder template service 
they also offer or to force myself to learn wordpress etc.  Too lazy to just 
old fashioned HTML it.  

  Any recommendations?  Few links and  pages and tabs.  Nothing fancy.

Re: [AFMUG] OT cheap and easy website

[Josh Luthman]

Wix for sure.

Car club took like 20 minutes - ohiogclub.com

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Oct 14, 2016 7:05 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> Need to put up another website.  Considering using the Godaddy hosting
> service they recommend when you get a new domain.
>
> Now I gotta decide whether or not to use that site builder template
> service they also offer or to force myself to learn wordpress etc.  Too
> lazy to just old fashioned HTML it.
>
> Any recommendations?  Few links and  pages and tabs.  Nothing fancy.
>

[AFMUG] OT cheap and easy website

[Chuck McCown]

Need to put up another website.  Considering using the Godaddy hosting service 
they recommend when you get a new domain.  

Now I gotta decide whether or not to use that site builder template service 
they also offer or to force myself to learn wordpress etc.  Too lazy to just 
old fashioned HTML it.  

Any recommendations?  Few links and  pages and tabs.  Nothing fancy.

Re: [AFMUG] antenna pattern for baicells UE

[Josh Luthman]

One of the most popular sites in the world so...bunch!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Oct 14, 2016 6:02 PM, "Sean Heskett"  wrote:

> what is this "book of face" to which you are referring?!?!
>
> seriously, who still uses Facebook???
>
> -Sean
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 3:28 PM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> Rick posted the beam width on the Facebook group in the last couple weeks
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Oct 14, 2016 2:15 PM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:
>>
>>> Does anybody happen to have the polar antenna pattern for the 19dbi
>>> Baicells CPE?
>>>
>>> If not, does anybody know what the horizontal beamwidth is?
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber maximum throughout

[Chuck McCown]

Well, depends on lab stuff or stuff you can buy.  Nobody yet knows the 
theoretical max as you can jack up the power until things start melting and get 
more bandwidth.  And you can use goofy modes too.  I have heard estimates of 10 
petabits per second as something achievable.

This real world system did 1.25 terabits per second.
http://newatlas.com/fastest-internet-data-rate-optical-ucl/41797/

From: TJ Trout 
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 5:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Fiber maximum throughout

What is the current max throughout that can be sent over a single or two 
strands of fiber? I'm assuming 100g x dwdm ? Atleast 100 x 10gbps? 

[AFMUG] Fiber maximum throughout

[TJ Trout]

What is the current max throughout that can be sent over a single or two
strands of fiber? I'm assuming 100g x dwdm ? Atleast 100 x 10gbps?

Re: [AFMUG] antenna pattern for baicells UE

[Chuck McCown]

I use it to troll my kids. 

From: Sean Heskett 
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 5:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] antenna pattern for baicells UE

what is this "book of face" to which you are referring?!?! 

seriously, who still uses Facebook???

-Sean



On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 3:28 PM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

  Rick posted the beam width on the Facebook group in the last couple weeks

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373


  On Oct 14, 2016 2:15 PM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:

Does anybody happen to have the polar antenna pattern for the 19dbi 
Baicells CPE?

If not, does anybody know what the horizontal beamwidth is?

Re: [AFMUG] antenna pattern for baicells UE

[Sean Heskett]

what is this "book of face" to which you are referring?!?!

seriously, who still uses Facebook???

-Sean



On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 3:28 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Rick posted the beam width on the Facebook group in the last couple weeks
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Oct 14, 2016 2:15 PM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:
>
>> Does anybody happen to have the polar antenna pattern for the 19dbi
>> Baicells CPE?
>>
>> If not, does anybody know what the horizontal beamwidth is?
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] antenna pattern for baicells UE

[Josh Luthman]

Rick posted the beam width on the Facebook group in the last couple weeks

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Oct 14, 2016 2:15 PM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:

> Does anybody happen to have the polar antenna pattern for the 19dbi
> Baicells CPE?
>
> If not, does anybody know what the horizontal beamwidth is?
>

[AFMUG] antenna pattern for baicells UE

[Adam Moffett]

Does anybody happen to have the polar antenna pattern for the 19dbi 
Baicells CPE?


If not, does anybody know what the horizontal beamwidth is?

Re: [AFMUG] i need an adult

[Rick Harnish]

First one Sunday night at 3 am Eastern. Another major update by the end of the month. Thanks to all who made additional feature requests. The Baicells Evolution continues.Respectively,Rick HarnishDirector of WISP MarketsDirect: 972.922.1443Baicells Technologies N.A. Inc.Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DroidOn Oct 14, 2016 12:47 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
  

  
  
Yup. The Q was good. The updates coming will be nice.
Tomorrow, right? :)

On 10/14/2016 2:38 PM, Rick Harnish
  wrote:


  
George,


Did Jesse get everything resolved satisfactorily yesterday?


Respectively,


Rick Harnish
Director of WISP Markets
Direct: 972.922.1443
Baicells Technologies N.A.
  Inc.


Sent from my Verizon
  Wireless 4G LTE Droid
  
  On Oct 12, 2016 11:37 PM, Rick Harnish
 wrote:

  
George,


It sounds like you probably just need some tender
  loving care from our support team. I wish we weren't in
  the middle of WISPAPALOOZA. I'll see if Jesse can call you
  tomorrow. Send me a good number to call you at off list. 
  Is your sector down tilt set correctly?


Respectively,


Rick Harnish
Director of WISP Markets
Direct: 972.922.1443
Baicells Technologies
  N.A. Inc.


Sent from my Verizon
  Wireless 4G LTE Droid
  
  On Oct 12, 2016 10:33 PM, George
Skorup  wrote:

   Maybe one tree up close, say 50-100 feet, is, as you
describe, probably not much of an issue. Sure, you can
call this NLOS.

A cluster of trees a 1/4, 1/2 or a mile away, maybe you
can't really see the tower, I still consider enough LOS
for RF wavelength. We do these kinds of shots with
PMP450 today and it works fine. This is what I'd call
good nuf LOS aka near-LOS. As Ken says, sometimes this
can actually improve the signal. Clip that fresnel zone
just right and you can get a boost. And we did find that
-/+45 does help a bit for these kinds of shots.

The NLOS I'm talking about is an entire town full of
trees. All up in your face. Even surrounding the tower.
A forest town. Where 900 barely works. A place where
we're considering doing fiber instead (preferably in the
ground so we don't get that other kind of "tree fade").
That's what we're dealing with. It is nuckin futs. The
power levels we're seeing really does not surprise me.
Leaves are coming down too. Should've had it up a month
ago.

BTW, we're doing 10MHz channel width. There's too much
other gear around to try to get away with 20MHz.

On 10/12/2016 9:59 PM, Craig Schmaderer wrote:

 
  
  Ive been running baicells since june. We have over 16
links around .5 to 1 miles going through trees like they
don't exist getting 80mb down. �A mile of trees might
be pushing it ;)

Craig Schmaderer
  Cell 402-380-1245
  Skywave Wireless, Inc.

  
  
  From: Af 
  on behalf of George Skorup 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 9:17:37 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] i need an adult
�
  
  Aggregate. The guys were out with one CPE moving
around. The -115 RSRP location was giving about 140ms
latency. From what I heard anyway. Doesn't surprise me
seeing as how the uplink bandwidth was pretty much
nothing.

We're going to try switching a couple customers from 900
FSK over to this thing tomorrow.

On 10/12/2016 9:09 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

 
  
  
7 Mbps per sub or aggregate?� I assume

Re: [AFMUG] i need an adult

[George Skorup]

Yup. The Q was good. The updates coming will be nice. Tomorrow, right? :)

On 10/14/2016 2:38 PM, Rick Harnish wrote:

George,

Did Jesse get everything resolved satisfactorily yesterday?

/Respectively,/
/
/
/Rick Harnish/
/Director of WISP Markets/
/Direct: 972.922.1443/
/Baicells Technologies N.A. Inc./
/
/
/Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Droid/
On Oct 12, 2016 11:37 PM, Rick Harnish  wrote:

George,

It sounds like you probably just need some tender loving care from
our support team. I wish we weren't in the middle of WISPAPALOOZA.
I'll see if Jesse can call you tomorrow. Send me a good number to
call you at off list. Is your sector down tilt set correctly?

/Respectively,/
/
/
/Rick Harnish/
/Director of WISP Markets/
/Direct: 972.922.1443/
/Baicells Technologies N.A. Inc./
/
/
/Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Droid/
On Oct 12, 2016 10:33 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

Maybe one tree up close, say 50-100 feet, is, as you describe,
probably not much of an issue. Sure, you can call this NLOS.

A cluster of trees a 1/4, 1/2 or a mile away, maybe you can't
really see the tower, I still consider enough LOS for RF
wavelength. We do these kinds of shots with PMP450 today and
it works fine. This is what I'd call good nuf LOS aka
near-LOS. As Ken says, sometimes this can actually improve the
signal. Clip that fresnel zone just right and you can get a
boost. And we did find that -/+45 does help a bit for these
kinds of shots.

The NLOS I'm talking about is an entire town full of trees.
All up in your face. Even surrounding the tower. A forest
town. Where 900 barely works. A place where we're considering
doing fiber instead (preferably in the ground so we don't get
that other kind of "tree fade"). That's what we're dealing
with. It is nuckin futs. The power levels we're seeing really
does not surprise me. Leaves are coming down too. Should've
had it up a month ago.

BTW, we're doing 10MHz channel width. There's too much other
gear around to try to get away with 20MHz.

On 10/12/2016 9:59 PM, Craig Schmaderer wrote:

Ive been running baicells since june. We have over 16 links
around .5 to 1 miles going through trees like they don't exist
getting 80mb down. �A mile of trees might be pushing it ;)

Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.


*From:* Af 
 on behalf of George Skorup
 
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 12, 2016 9:17:37 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] i need an adult
�
Aggregate. The guys were out with one CPE moving around. The
-115 RSRP location was giving about 140ms latency. From what I
heard anyway. Doesn't surprise me seeing as how the uplink
bandwidth was pretty much nothing.

We're going to try switching a couple customers from 900 FSK
over to this thing tomorrow.

On 10/12/2016 9:09 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

7 Mbps per sub or aggregate?� I assume aggregate.� Well,
OK, if you only have 1 sub they�re� the same.

�

Yes definitely, log CINR and modulation.

�

Also might want to do a ping test and measure min/avg/max
latency and pkt loss.

�

�

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George
Skorup
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 12, 2016 8:09 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] i need an adult

�

So far we're seeing no better than about -88 RSRP. Most places
we tested was right around -100. All Non-LOS. Very Non-LOS.
Within a mile. And the nitwits didn't get my memo that I
wanted to collect CINRs and mod rates too. They were able to
still get about 7Mbps down (less than 50kbps up tho) with
about a -115 RSRP. And I did double check that we're not
exceeding the 1W/MHz EIRP cap. We're going to do some more
testing tomorrow.

On 10/11/2016 8:58 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I hope it works for you through the solid mile of trees,
I�m skeptical though.� It seems to me like a golfer
trying every new brand of club and ball that comes out
hoping to find one that goes straight through a mile of
trees to the green.� You may get incremental
improvement, but I know people in that situation whose
cellphones don�t work.

   

Re: [AFMUG] i need an adult

[Rick Harnish]

George,Did Jesse get everything resolved satisfactorily yesterday?Respectively,Rick HarnishDirector of WISP MarketsDirect: 972.922.1443Baicells Technologies N.A. Inc.Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DroidOn Oct 12, 2016 11:37 PM, Rick Harnish  wrote:George,It sounds like you probably just need some tender loving care from our support team. I wish we weren't in the middle of WISPAPALOOZA. I'll see if Jesse can call you tomorrow. Send me a good number to call you at off list.  Is your sector down tilt set correctly?Respectively,Rick HarnishDirector of WISP MarketsDirect: 972.922.1443Baicells Technologies N.A. Inc.Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DroidOn Oct 12, 2016 10:33 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
  

  
  
Maybe one tree up close, say 50-100 feet, is, as you describe,
probably not much of an issue. Sure, you can call this NLOS.

A cluster of trees a 1/4, 1/2 or a mile away, maybe you can't really
see the tower, I still consider enough LOS for RF wavelength. We do
these kinds of shots with PMP450 today and it works fine. This is
what I'd call good nuf LOS aka near-LOS. As Ken says, sometimes this
can actually improve the signal. Clip that fresnel zone just right
and you can get a boost. And we did find that -/+45 does help a bit
for these kinds of shots.

The NLOS I'm talking about is an entire town full of trees. All up
in your face. Even surrounding the tower. A forest town. Where 900
barely works. A place where we're considering doing fiber instead
(preferably in the ground so we don't get that other kind of "tree
fade"). That's what we're dealing with. It is nuckin futs. The power
levels we're seeing really does not surprise me. Leaves are coming
down too. Should've had it up a month ago.

BTW, we're doing 10MHz channel width. There's too much other gear
around to try to get away with 20MHz.

On 10/12/2016 9:59 PM, Craig Schmaderer
  wrote:


  
  
  Ive been running baicells since june. We have over 16 links
around .5 to 1 miles going through trees like they don't exist
getting 80mb down. �A mile of trees might be pushing it ;)

Craig Schmaderer
  Cell 402-380-1245
  Skywave Wireless, Inc.

  
  
  From: Af
   on behalf of George Skorup
  
  Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 9:17:37 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] i need an adult
�
  
  Aggregate. The guys were out with one CPE moving around. The
-115 RSRP location was giving about 140ms latency. From what I
heard anyway. Doesn't surprise me seeing as how the uplink
bandwidth was pretty much nothing.

We're going to try switching a couple customers from 900 FSK
over to this thing tomorrow.

On 10/12/2016 9:09 PM, Ken Hohhof
  wrote:


  
  
  
7 Mbps per sub or aggregate?� I assume
aggregate.� Well, OK, if you only have 1 sub they�re�
the same.
�
Yes definitely, log CINR and
modulation.
�
Also might want to do a ping test and
measure min/avg/max latency and pkt loss.
�
�


  
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces@afmug.com]
On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 8:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] i need an adult
  

�
So far
  we're seeing no better than about -88 RSRP. Most places we
  tested was right around -100. All Non-LOS. Very Non-LOS.
  Within a mile. And the nitwits didn't get my memo that I
  wanted to collect CINRs and mod rates too. They were able
  to still get about 7Mbps down (less than 50kbps up tho)
  with about a -115 RSRP. And I did double check that we're
  not exceeding the 1W/MHz EIRP cap. We're going to do some
  more testing tomorrow.

  On 10/11/2016 8:58 AM, Ken Hohhof
wrote:


  I hope it works for you through the
  solid mile of trees, I�m skeptical though.� It seems
  to me like a golfer trying every new brand of club and
  ball that comes out hoping to find one that goes
  straight through a mile of trees to the green.� You
  may get 

[AFMUG] FS: 27RDs and PacketFlux modules

[George Skorup]

I'd have to see exactly how many, but is anyone interested in some old 
used ChannelMaster 27RD reflectors before I chuck them in the dumpster 
on Monday? They are the older style with the skinny bent round tube for 
mounting the Canopy radio.


I also have two PacketFlux SiteMonitor 3-shunt / 3-volt meter expansion 
modules that I've never used. Plus one 6ch switch module and one 4ch 
relay module, mostly used on the bench for testing and mock-up.

[AFMUG] For Sale

[Yent, Timothy M]

I still have the following items for sale.  Best offer.

1  Allot NetEnforcer AC-1440
1  Allot NetEnforcer Bypass

Tim Yent
Technical Support
Mercury Network Corporation

Re: [AFMUG] communicating with customers without untraining them

[Ken Hohhof]

I’m remembering when Verizon did this on their DSL, I think that was at least 5 
years ago, perhaps more.

 

What’s really annoying is that on the latest Office 365, Outlook still defaults 
to SMTP on port 25.  Talking about MUA, not MTA.  So some part of Microsoft is 
still back in 1998 with you.  Maybe they are hiring?

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 12:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] communicating with customers without untraining them

 

I never considered snail mail, that is a viable option.

The business customer we will call the IT staff directly on.

The spf requirement will be a marginally enforced best practice, if were were 
suballocating our space to them i wouldnt care, just trying to get to a point 
where we dont consistently have blacklisted IP space.

 

regarding not being up to date, ive gotten us to about 1998, eventually we will 
be in this century, time, money, train, time, money, train, a vicious circle. 

 

On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 12:45 PM, Ken Hohhof  > wrote:

I’d post a notice on your website and social media pages, wait 1-2 weeks, and 
just do it.  Most ISPs did this many years ago, hard to believe you still have 
it open and that any significant number of customers are doing mail that way.

 

The only customers who should need that are business customers with their own 
mailserver on premise rather than in the cloud.  You could snailmail a notice 
to your business customers, assuming that’s a small subset of your total 
customers, and also that postal mail will work with them.

 

I’m not sure I’d impose an SPF requirement.  If a business customer says they 
have an onsite mailserver, they can opt out of port 25 blocking, how they 
configure their mailserver and DNS is up to them unless there is an incident.  
All of our business customers (by which I mean they are on a commercial plan) 
have a static IP address, so they are easy to track down.  If someone wants 
port 25 unblocked on a residential account, sorry, not available on the plan 
you’re on.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 12:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] communicating with customers without untraining them

 

thats what i did

 

its the communication with them thats in question

 

if we initiate it in any way, we pretty much un train them no matter what

 

On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 12:18 PM, Cassidy B. Larson  > wrote:

Can’t you watch for outbound netflow data for remote port 25’s from your 
customers you’re going to drop port 25 on?

Then proactively call/email them saying it’s going away.

 

Or if you want to keep up with the antiphishing then tell them to contact you 
back at the known good number/email they have for you or is published on your 
website.

 

 

On Oct 14, 2016, at 11:13 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm  > wrote:

 

I think this has been discussed in the past.

 

As part of our overall security implementation we will be dropping outbound 
port 25 for non business customers and business customers dont have an email 
rserver on record with an appropriately configured SPF record.

 

I know which customers havent gotten with the times. The problem is how best to 
communicate with them. I am thinking its best to just drop it for a few hours 
at a time to drive support calls from those who notice it during that window 
periodically until we implement it permanently to limit a flood of support 
calls all at once. And maybe a notice on our website of what is going on.

 

The issue I have is if we reach out in any way, directly, we circumvent all the 
antiphishing propaganda. If we email, then spoofed emails are trusted, if we 
email with a link, then they start trusting spoofed emails with links, same 
with our telephone number. If we reach out directly via telephone, well then 
they start paying IRS fines to John from india.

 

anybody else implemented this and handled it responsibly?

 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

 





 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.





 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] communicating with customers without untraining them

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I never considered snail mail, that is a viable option.
The business customer we will call the IT staff directly on.
The spf requirement will be a marginally enforced best practice, if were
were suballocating our space to them i wouldnt care, just trying to get to
a point where we dont consistently have blacklisted IP space.

regarding not being up to date, ive gotten us to about 1998, eventually we
will be in this century, time, money, train, time, money, train, a vicious
circle.

On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 12:45 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I’d post a notice on your website and social media pages, wait 1-2 weeks,
> and just do it.  Most ISPs did this many years ago, hard to believe you
> still have it open and that any significant number of customers are doing
> mail that way.
>
>
>
> The only customers who should need that are business customers with their
> own mailserver on premise rather than in the cloud.  You could snailmail a
> notice to your business customers, assuming that’s a small subset of your
> total customers, and also that postal mail will work with them.
>
>
>
> I’m not sure I’d impose an SPF requirement.  If a business customer says
> they have an onsite mailserver, they can opt out of port 25 blocking, how
> they configure their mailserver and DNS is up to them unless there is an
> incident.  All of our business customers (by which I mean they are on a
> commercial plan) have a static IP address, so they are easy to track down.
> If someone wants port 25 unblocked on a residential account, sorry, not
> available on the plan you’re on.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Friday, October 14, 2016 12:21 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] communicating with customers without untraining
> them
>
>
>
> thats what i did
>
>
>
> its the communication with them thats in question
>
>
>
> if we initiate it in any way, we pretty much un train them no matter what
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 12:18 PM, Cassidy B. Larson 
> wrote:
>
> Can’t you watch for outbound netflow data for remote port 25’s from your
> customers you’re going to drop port 25 on?
>
> Then proactively call/email them saying it’s going away.
>
>
>
> Or if you want to keep up with the antiphishing then tell them to contact
> you back at the known good number/email they have for you or is published
> on your website.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 14, 2016, at 11:13 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> I think this has been discussed in the past.
>
>
>
> As part of our overall security implementation we will be dropping
> outbound port 25 for non business customers and business customers dont
> have an email rserver on record with an appropriately configured SPF record.
>
>
>
> I know which customers havent gotten with the times. The problem is how
> best to communicate with them. I am thinking its best to just drop it for a
> few hours at a time to drive support calls from those who notice it during
> that window periodically until we implement it permanently to limit a flood
> of support calls all at once. And maybe a notice on our website of what is
> going on.
>
>
>
> The issue I have is if we reach out in any way, directly, we circumvent
> all the antiphishing propaganda. If we email, then spoofed emails are
> trusted, if we email with a link, then they start trusting spoofed emails
> with links, same with our telephone number. If we reach out directly via
> telephone, well then they start paying IRS fines to John from india.
>
>
>
> anybody else implemented this and handled it responsibly?
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] communicating with customers without untraining them

[Ken Hohhof]

I’d post a notice on your website and social media pages, wait 1-2 weeks, and 
just do it.  Most ISPs did this many years ago, hard to believe you still have 
it open and that any significant number of customers are doing mail that way.

 

The only customers who should need that are business customers with their own 
mailserver on premise rather than in the cloud.  You could snailmail a notice 
to your business customers, assuming that’s a small subset of your total 
customers, and also that postal mail will work with them.

 

I’m not sure I’d impose an SPF requirement.  If a business customer says they 
have an onsite mailserver, they can opt out of port 25 blocking, how they 
configure their mailserver and DNS is up to them unless there is an incident.  
All of our business customers (by which I mean they are on a commercial plan) 
have a static IP address, so they are easy to track down.  If someone wants 
port 25 unblocked on a residential account, sorry, not available on the plan 
you’re on.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 12:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] communicating with customers without untraining them

 

thats what i did

 

its the communication with them thats in question

 

if we initiate it in any way, we pretty much un train them no matter what

 

On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 12:18 PM, Cassidy B. Larson  > wrote:

Can’t you watch for outbound netflow data for remote port 25’s from your 
customers you’re going to drop port 25 on?

Then proactively call/email them saying it’s going away.

 

Or if you want to keep up with the antiphishing then tell them to contact you 
back at the known good number/email they have for you or is published on your 
website.

 

 

On Oct 14, 2016, at 11:13 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm  > wrote:

 

I think this has been discussed in the past.

 

As part of our overall security implementation we will be dropping outbound 
port 25 for non business customers and business customers dont have an email 
rserver on record with an appropriately configured SPF record.

 

I know which customers havent gotten with the times. The problem is how best to 
communicate with them. I am thinking its best to just drop it for a few hours 
at a time to drive support calls from those who notice it during that window 
periodically until we implement it permanently to limit a flood of support 
calls all at once. And maybe a notice on our website of what is going on.

 

The issue I have is if we reach out in any way, directly, we circumvent all the 
antiphishing propaganda. If we email, then spoofed emails are trusted, if we 
email with a link, then they start trusting spoofed emails with links, same 
with our telephone number. If we reach out directly via telephone, well then 
they start paying IRS fines to John from india.

 

anybody else implemented this and handled it responsibly?

 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

 





 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] communicating with customers without untraining them

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

thats what i did

its the communication with them thats in question

if we initiate it in any way, we pretty much un train them no matter what

On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 12:18 PM, Cassidy B. Larson 
wrote:

> Can’t you watch for outbound netflow data for remote port 25’s from your
> customers you’re going to drop port 25 on?
> Then proactively call/email them saying it’s going away.
>
> Or if you want to keep up with the antiphishing then tell them to contact
> you back at the known good number/email they have for you or is published
> on your website.
>
>
> On Oct 14, 2016, at 11:13 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I think this has been discussed in the past.
>
> As part of our overall security implementation we will be dropping
> outbound port 25 for non business customers and business customers dont
> have an email rserver on record with an appropriately configured SPF record.
>
> I know which customers havent gotten with the times. The problem is how
> best to communicate with them. I am thinking its best to just drop it for a
> few hours at a time to drive support calls from those who notice it during
> that window periodically until we implement it permanently to limit a flood
> of support calls all at once. And maybe a notice on our website of what is
> going on.
>
> The issue I have is if we reach out in any way, directly, we circumvent
> all the antiphishing propaganda. If we email, then spoofed emails are
> trusted, if we email with a link, then they start trusting spoofed emails
> with links, same with our telephone number. If we reach out directly via
> telephone, well then they start paying IRS fines to John from india.
>
> anybody else implemented this and handled it responsibly?
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] communicating with customers without untraining them

[Cassidy B. Larson]

Can’t you watch for outbound netflow data for remote port 25’s from your 
customers you’re going to drop port 25 on?
Then proactively call/email them saying it’s going away.

Or if you want to keep up with the antiphishing then tell them to contact you 
back at the known good number/email they have for you or is published on your 
website.


> On Oct 14, 2016, at 11:13 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think this has been discussed in the past.
> 
> As part of our overall security implementation we will be dropping outbound 
> port 25 for non business customers and business customers dont have an email 
> rserver on record with an appropriately configured SPF record.
> 
> I know which customers havent gotten with the times. The problem is how best 
> to communicate with them. I am thinking its best to just drop it for a few 
> hours at a time to drive support calls from those who notice it during that 
> window periodically until we implement it permanently to limit a flood of 
> support calls all at once. And maybe a notice on our website of what is going 
> on.
> 
> The issue I have is if we reach out in any way, directly, we circumvent all 
> the antiphishing propaganda. If we email, then spoofed emails are trusted, if 
> we email with a link, then they start trusting spoofed emails with links, 
> same with our telephone number. If we reach out directly via telephone, well 
> then they start paying IRS fines to John from india.
> 
> anybody else implemented this and handled it responsibly?
> 
> -- 
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] communicating with customers without untraining them

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I think this has been discussed in the past.

As part of our overall security implementation we will be dropping outbound
port 25 for non business customers and business customers dont have an
email rserver on record with an appropriately configured SPF record.

I know which customers havent gotten with the times. The problem is how
best to communicate with them. I am thinking its best to just drop it for a
few hours at a time to drive support calls from those who notice it during
that window periodically until we implement it permanently to limit a flood
of support calls all at once. And maybe a notice on our website of what is
going on.

The issue I have is if we reach out in any way, directly, we circumvent all
the antiphishing propaganda. If we email, then spoofed emails are trusted,
if we email with a link, then they start trusting spoofed emails with
links, same with our telephone number. If we reach out directly via
telephone, well then they start paying IRS fines to John from india.

anybody else implemented this and handled it responsibly?

-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

[chuck]

Ripple...

From: Chuck Macenski 
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

We are the fine bottle of wine, right?

On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 11:03 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  Why would you  choose those radios to use with $6600 worth of dishes.  That 
seems like opening an expensive bottle of wine to drink with a peanut butter 
and jelly sandwich.





  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke
  Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 10:53 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights



  If the radios are $1500 for a pair...

  Ultra high performance 4' 11 GHz dual polarity dishes are easily more than 
$2000 a piece with shipping.



  Plus FCC frequency coordination costs & FCC fees.

  Plus surge protection, cables, and cost of labor/climbing to mount dishes.



  And that's not even considering the possibility of $3300 6' 11 GHz dishes.



  On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 8:42 PM, Josh Baird  wrote:

A $6000 link?  I thought the AF11x was like $750-1k/side?  What kind of 
dishes are you planning on using?



On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 10:20 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
 wrote:

  Airfiber 11ghz will be shipping soon, sounds like you wont be able to use 
it though because the adapter to connect the N connectors to the existing 
dishes out there isn't going to be here for a while, so we'll have $6000 link 
(with FCC fees) sitting on the bench and waiting on a $200 part to be able to 
use it



  On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:

I see it so often, I think I just ignored all that J



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 10:07 AM


To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights



It's in almost every e-mail I send.  ;-)



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Paul McCall" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 7:46:21 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

Got a Link?   Can’t seem to find it?



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 10:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights



Look at the TBW FB page.  ;-)



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Paul McCall" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 8:54:23 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

Since I am stuck in Florida doing network recovery after the hurricane, 
can I live vicariously through you guys?



What are the big highlights of the show?



Paul



Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800  

pa...@pdmnet.net

www.pdmnet.com

www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Poor Chuck M, forever the peanut in the turd.

On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 12:03 PM, Chuck Macenski  wrote:

> We are the fine bottle of wine, right?
>
> On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 11:03 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> Why would you  choose those radios to use with $6600 worth of dishes.
>> That seems like opening an expensive bottle of wine to drink with a peanut
>> butter and jelly sandwich.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric Kuhnke
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 13, 2016 10:53 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
>>
>>
>>
>> If the radios are $1500 for a pair...
>>
>> Ultra high performance 4' 11 GHz dual polarity dishes are easily more
>> than $2000 a piece with shipping.
>>
>>
>>
>> Plus FCC frequency coordination costs & FCC fees.
>>
>> Plus surge protection, cables, and cost of labor/climbing to mount dishes.
>>
>> And that's not even considering the possibility of $3300 6' 11 GHz dishes.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 8:42 PM, Josh Baird  wrote:
>>
>> A $6000 link?  I thought the AF11x was like $750-1k/side?  What kind of
>> dishes are you planning on using?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 10:20 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <
>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Airfiber 11ghz will be shipping soon, sounds like you wont be able to use
>> it though because the adapter to connect the N connectors to the existing
>> dishes out there isn't going to be here for a while, so we'll have $6000
>> link (with FCC fees) sitting on the bench and waiting on a $200 part to be
>> able to use it
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>>
>> I see it so often, I think I just ignored all that J
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 13, 2016 10:07 AM
>>
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
>>
>>
>>
>> It's in almost every e-mail I send.  ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>
>> *Midwest Internet Exchange*
>>
>> *The Brothers WISP*
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> 
>>
>> *From: *"Paul McCall" <*pa...@pdmnet.net*>
>> *To: **af@afmug.com*
>> *Sent: *Thursday, October 13, 2016 7:46:21 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
>>
>> Got a Link?   Can’t seem to find it?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [*mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com*] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 12, 2016 10:23 PM
>> *To:* *af@afmug.com*
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
>>
>>
>>
>> Look at the TBW FB page.  ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> *Intelligent Computing Solutions*
>>
>> *Midwest Internet Exchange*
>>
>> *The Brothers WISP*
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Paul McCall" <*pa...@pdmnet.net*>
>> *To: **af@afmug.com*
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, October 12, 2016 8:54:23 PM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
>>
>> Since I am stuck in Florida doing network recovery after the hurricane,
>> can I live vicariously through you guys?
>>
>>
>>
>> What are the big highlights of the show?
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul McCall, President
>>
>> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>>
>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>>
>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>>
>> *772-564-6800*
>>
>> *pa...@pdmnet.net*
>>
>> *www.pdmnet.com*
>>
>> *www.floridabroadband.com*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>   
>>
>>   
>>
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

[Chuck Macenski]

We are the fine bottle of wine, right?

On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 11:03 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Why would you  choose those radios to use with $6600 worth of dishes.
> That seems like opening an expensive bottle of wine to drink with a peanut
> butter and jelly sandwich.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric Kuhnke
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 13, 2016 10:53 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
>
>
>
> If the radios are $1500 for a pair...
>
> Ultra high performance 4' 11 GHz dual polarity dishes are easily more than
> $2000 a piece with shipping.
>
>
>
> Plus FCC frequency coordination costs & FCC fees.
>
> Plus surge protection, cables, and cost of labor/climbing to mount dishes.
>
> And that's not even considering the possibility of $3300 6' 11 GHz dishes.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 8:42 PM, Josh Baird  wrote:
>
> A $6000 link?  I thought the AF11x was like $750-1k/side?  What kind of
> dishes are you planning on using?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 10:20 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <
> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Airfiber 11ghz will be shipping soon, sounds like you wont be able to use
> it though because the adapter to connect the N connectors to the existing
> dishes out there isn't going to be here for a while, so we'll have $6000
> link (with FCC fees) sitting on the bench and waiting on a $200 part to be
> able to use it
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> I see it so often, I think I just ignored all that J
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 13, 2016 10:07 AM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
>
>
>
> It's in almost every e-mail I send.  ;-)
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>
> *Midwest Internet Exchange*
>
> *The Brothers WISP*
>
>
>
> 
> --
> 
>
> *From: *"Paul McCall" <*pa...@pdmnet.net*>
> *To: **af@afmug.com*
> *Sent: *Thursday, October 13, 2016 7:46:21 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
>
> Got a Link?   Can’t seem to find it?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [*mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com*] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 12, 2016 10:23 PM
> *To:* *af@afmug.com*
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
>
>
>
> Look at the TBW FB page.  ;-)
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> *Intelligent Computing Solutions*
>
> *Midwest Internet Exchange*
>
> *The Brothers WISP*
>
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Paul McCall" <*pa...@pdmnet.net*>
> *To: **af@afmug.com*
> *Sent: *Wednesday, October 12, 2016 8:54:23 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
>
> Since I am stuck in Florida doing network recovery after the hurricane,
> can I live vicariously through you guys?
>
>
>
> What are the big highlights of the show?
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> *772-564-6800*
>
> *pa...@pdmnet.net*
>
> *www.pdmnet.com*
>
> *www.floridabroadband.com*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>   
>
>   
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] DFS impact on indoor SOHO routers

[Sean Heskett]

Most consumer devices are not certified to use the DFS band because of the
extra hoops the manufactures have to go thru.

ROKU is one that we ran into that can't use the dfs band.  Lots of phones
too.

-Sean

On Friday, October 14, 2016, Eric Muehleisen  wrote:

> On occasion we see DFS events on our outdoor WISP network. It's rare, but
> does happen. It's understandable since we use high gain sector antennas and
> AP's with great receive sensitivity. Not to mention these are outdoor
> radios with direct view of the sky.
>
> On the other hand, we are seeing 802.11ac home routers with DFS
> capabilities. The router indoors has all sort of built in attenuation,
> walls, obstacles, etc. Would you expect to see DFS events, if any, in this
> scenario?
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] DFS impact on indoor SOHO routers

[Jaime Solorza]

It's a conspiracy..   Solecteks answer to every thing back in mid 90s was
multi path problem.   90% of time is water in cable or interference
With all the radar noise around here I just stay away from those
channels.   Commercial, government, military and international users.

On Oct 14, 2016 10:16 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> Sure, it’s possible, DFS is a stupid scheme for anything that needs to be
> reliable.  On the other hand, only the AP does radar detection, not the
> CPE, so a customer router near the CPE shouldn’t trigger a false DFS
> event.  And if you have the antenna gain properly configured on the AP, the
> radar detection level should be relatively high, so that a customer router
> a mile away through an outer wall shouldn’t trip it.  If you have a rooftop
> AP, or houses right near the tower, it could happen.  Also I believe we
> have seen atmospheric conditions create false DFS events probably by
> ducting the signal from a transmitter we usually can’t see.  I also suspect
> reflections off metal objects like trucks, trains, maybe even airplanes can
> cause events.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric Muehleisen
> *Sent:* Friday, October 14, 2016 10:50 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] DFS impact on indoor SOHO routers
>
>
>
> On occasion we see DFS events on our outdoor WISP network. It's rare, but
> does happen. It's understandable since we use high gain sector antennas and
> AP's with great receive sensitivity. Not to mention these are outdoor
> radios with direct view of the sky.
>
>
>
> On the other hand, we are seeing 802.11ac home routers with DFS
> capabilities. The router indoors has all sort of built in attenuation,
> walls, obstacles, etc. Would you expect to see DFS events, if any, in this
> scenario?
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Jimmy Buffett Tickets in Vegas

[Josh Luthman]

Post to WISPA tons of people are here this week.  We missed you this year :(

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Oct 14, 2016 9:19 AM, "Travis Johnson"  wrote:

> Hey...
>
> I purchased two tickets for the Jimmy Buffett concert in Vegas on October
> 15th (this Saturday night), and now my plans have changed and we can't make
> it down.
>
> I paid $600 for the two tickets (including all the fees, etc). I'm asking
> $400 or best offer for both tickets. I can take Paypal or CC or even trust
> someone on this list would mail me a check next week. I have the two
> tickets in electronic format and can email them directly.
>
> They are Section 2, Row X, Seats 13-14 at the MGM at 8:00PM. This is a
> great show, I've seen it before about a year ago in this same venue.
>
> Travis
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Jimmy Buffett Tickets in Vegas

[Jaime Solorza]

Maybe someone at show would like those.   Include some Margaritas and it
might fly

On Oct 14, 2016 10:19 AM, "Travis Johnson"  wrote:

> Hey...
>
> I purchased two tickets for the Jimmy Buffett concert in Vegas on October
> 15th (this Saturday night), and now my plans have changed and we can't make
> it down.
>
> I paid $600 for the two tickets (including all the fees, etc). I'm asking
> $400 or best offer for both tickets. I can take Paypal or CC or even trust
> someone on this list would mail me a check next week. I have the two
> tickets in electronic format and can email them directly.
>
> They are Section 2, Row X, Seats 13-14 at the MGM at 8:00PM. This is a
> great show, I've seen it before about a year ago in this same venue.
>
> Travis
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] DFS impact on indoor SOHO routers

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I would venture a guess consumer routers have a whole lot less strict
enforcement than carrier gear. "sure we are DFS compliant, if the soho
router detects a -40 for three weeks, we will trigger" Poor connections
from low end chipsets on cheap laptops would trigger it all the time
otherwise I would suspect since it would be chattering all the time. I know
I would not want to work tech support helpdesk for a router vendor with DFS
enabled defaulty and strict enforcement

On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 11:16 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Sure, it’s possible, DFS is a stupid scheme for anything that needs to be
> reliable.  On the other hand, only the AP does radar detection, not the
> CPE, so a customer router near the CPE shouldn’t trigger a false DFS
> event.  And if you have the antenna gain properly configured on the AP, the
> radar detection level should be relatively high, so that a customer router
> a mile away through an outer wall shouldn’t trip it.  If you have a rooftop
> AP, or houses right near the tower, it could happen.  Also I believe we
> have seen atmospheric conditions create false DFS events probably by
> ducting the signal from a transmitter we usually can’t see.  I also suspect
> reflections off metal objects like trucks, trains, maybe even airplanes can
> cause events.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric Muehleisen
> *Sent:* Friday, October 14, 2016 10:50 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] DFS impact on indoor SOHO routers
>
>
>
> On occasion we see DFS events on our outdoor WISP network. It's rare, but
> does happen. It's understandable since we use high gain sector antennas and
> AP's with great receive sensitivity. Not to mention these are outdoor
> radios with direct view of the sky.
>
>
>
> On the other hand, we are seeing 802.11ac home routers with DFS
> capabilities. The router indoors has all sort of built in attenuation,
> walls, obstacles, etc. Would you expect to see DFS events, if any, in this
> scenario?
>
>
>
>
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] OT: Jimmy Buffett Tickets in Vegas

[Travis Johnson]

Hey...

I purchased two tickets for the Jimmy Buffett concert in Vegas on 
October 15th (this Saturday night), and now my plans have changed and we 
can't make it down.


I paid $600 for the two tickets (including all the fees, etc). I'm 
asking $400 or best offer for both tickets. I can take Paypal or CC or 
even trust someone on this list would mail me a check next week. I have 
the two tickets in electronic format and can email them directly.


They are Section 2, Row X, Seats 13-14 at the MGM at 8:00PM. This is a 
great show, I've seen it before about a year ago in this same venue.


Travis

Re: [AFMUG] DFS impact on indoor SOHO routers

[Ken Hohhof]

Sure, it’s possible, DFS is a stupid scheme for anything that needs to be 
reliable.  On the other hand, only the AP does radar detection, not the CPE, so 
a customer router near the CPE shouldn’t trigger a false DFS event.  And if you 
have the antenna gain properly configured on the AP, the radar detection level 
should be relatively high, so that a customer router a mile away through an 
outer wall shouldn’t trip it.  If you have a rooftop AP, or houses right near 
the tower, it could happen.  Also I believe we have seen atmospheric conditions 
create false DFS events probably by ducting the signal from a transmitter we 
usually can’t see.  I also suspect reflections off metal objects like trucks, 
trains, maybe even airplanes can cause events.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 10:50 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] DFS impact on indoor SOHO routers

 

On occasion we see DFS events on our outdoor WISP network. It's rare, but does 
happen. It's understandable since we use high gain sector antennas and AP's 
with great receive sensitivity. Not to mention these are outdoor radios with 
direct view of the sky.

 

On the other hand, we are seeing 802.11ac home routers with DFS capabilities. 
The router indoors has all sort of built in attenuation, walls, obstacles, etc. 
Would you expect to see DFS events, if any, in this scenario?

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: AAPL

[chuck]

Sure, thanks.  

From: Travis Johnson 
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 9:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: AAPL

You are asking the wrong people then. I personally know two LDS members that 
paid their tithing just last year (2015) using stock... one of them it was 
hundreds of thousands of dollars worth.

I can get you the contact info if you are seriously interested.

Travis



On 10/14/2016 9:17 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  When asked the answer comes back as NO.  They say sell, convert to dollars 
and give them the dollars.  

  From: Travis Johnson 
  Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 8:23 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: AAPL

  That's not correct Chuck... I know many wealthy LDS people that donate stock 
for tithing. They will only accept the "larger" stocks, such as Apple, Google, 
Amazon, GM, Ford, etc... but they do take it, and lots of people use that 
option.

  Travis



  On 10/13/2016 6:21 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

My church only takes dollars...

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 9:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: AAPL

 

I use this tax strategy years ago and it enabled me to donate more money 
and pay less tax.

 

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016, 3:45 PM Jon Langeler  
wrote:

  Thanks for the tips! AAPL may be a good buy right now but not a steal

  Jon Langeler
  Michwave Technologies, Inc.


  > On Oct 12, 2016, at 12:07 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
  >
  > I'm all in on AAPL at $114 (a few weeks ago). Keep blowing up those 
phones Samsung... LOL
  >
  > This is a longer term investment... making 2% dividends is better than 
most bank CD's or savings accounts, and Apple has made a 16% annual return over 
the last 5 years. Even if their stock just holds (which it won't now because of 
the Samsung thing, etc), it's making 2% and it's still "liquid" according to 
the banks, which helps on personal financial statements.
  >
  > AND, the new hip thing to do is donating stock to your church as a 
charitable donation. You don't have to pay the tax on the increase if you sold 
it first, you just transfer it at the current value. Amazing the tax tricks 
these church going people come up with... LOL
  >
  > Travis
  >

[AFMUG] DFS impact on indoor SOHO routers

[Eric Muehleisen]

On occasion we see DFS events on our outdoor WISP network. It's rare, but
does happen. It's understandable since we use high gain sector antennas and
AP's with great receive sensitivity. Not to mention these are outdoor
radios with direct view of the sky.

On the other hand, we are seeing 802.11ac home routers with DFS
capabilities. The router indoors has all sort of built in attenuation,
walls, obstacles, etc. Would you expect to see DFS events, if any, in this
scenario?

Re: [AFMUG] OT: AAPL

[Travis Johnson]

You are asking the wrong people then. I personally know two LDS members 
that paid their tithing just last year (2015) using stock... one of them 
it was hundreds of thousands of dollars worth.


I can get you the contact info if you are seriously interested.

Travis


On 10/14/2016 9:17 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
When asked the answer comes back as NO.  They say sell, convert to 
dollars and give them the dollars.

*From:* Travis Johnson
*Sent:* Friday, October 14, 2016 8:23 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: AAPL
That's not correct Chuck... I know many wealthy LDS people that donate 
stock for tithing. They will only accept the "larger" stocks, such as 
Apple, Google, Amazon, GM, Ford, etc... but they do take it, and lots 
of people use that option.


Travis


On 10/13/2016 6:21 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

My church only takes dollars...

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
*Sent:* Thursday, October 13, 2016 9:49 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: AAPL

I use this tax strategy years ago and it enabled me to donate more 
money and pay less tax.


On Wed, Oct 12, 2016, 3:45 PM Jon Langeler 
 wrote:


Thanks for the tips! AAPL may be a good buy right now but not a steal

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Oct 12, 2016, at 12:07 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>
> I'm all in on AAPL at $114 (a few weeks ago). Keep blowing up
those phones Samsung... LOL
>
> This is a longer term investment... making 2% dividends is
better than most bank CD's or savings accounts, and Apple has
made a 16% annual return over the last 5 years. Even if their
stock just holds (which it won't now because of the Samsung
thing, etc), it's making 2% and it's still "liquid" according to
the banks, which helps on personal financial statements.
>
> AND, the new hip thing to do is donating stock to your church
as a charitable donation. You don't have to pay the tax on the
increase if you sold it first, you just transfer it at the
current value. Amazing the tax tricks these church going people
come up with... LOL
>
> Travis
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: AAPL

[chuck]

When asked the answer comes back as NO.  They say sell, convert to dollars and 
give them the dollars.  

From: Travis Johnson 
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 8:23 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: AAPL

That's not correct Chuck... I know many wealthy LDS people that donate stock 
for tithing. They will only accept the "larger" stocks, such as Apple, Google, 
Amazon, GM, Ford, etc... but they do take it, and lots of people use that 
option.

Travis



On 10/13/2016 6:21 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  My church only takes dollars...

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
  Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 9:49 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: AAPL

   

  I use this tax strategy years ago and it enabled me to donate more money and 
pay less tax.

   

  On Wed, Oct 12, 2016, 3:45 PM Jon Langeler  wrote:

Thanks for the tips! AAPL may be a good buy right now but not a steal

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Oct 12, 2016, at 12:07 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>
> I'm all in on AAPL at $114 (a few weeks ago). Keep blowing up those 
phones Samsung... LOL
>
> This is a longer term investment... making 2% dividends is better than 
most bank CD's or savings accounts, and Apple has made a 16% annual return over 
the last 5 years. Even if their stock just holds (which it won't now because of 
the Samsung thing, etc), it's making 2% and it's still "liquid" according to 
the banks, which helps on personal financial statements.
>
> AND, the new hip thing to do is donating stock to your church as a 
charitable donation. You don't have to pay the tax on the increase if you sold 
it first, you just transfer it at the current value. Amazing the tax tricks 
these church going people come up with... LOL
>
> Travis
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: AAPL

[Travis Johnson]

That's not correct Chuck... I know many wealthy LDS people that donate 
stock for tithing. They will only accept the "larger" stocks, such as 
Apple, Google, Amazon, GM, Ford, etc... but they do take it, and lots of 
people use that option.


Travis


On 10/13/2016 6:21 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

My church only takes dollars...

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
*Sent:* Thursday, October 13, 2016 9:49 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: AAPL

I use this tax strategy years ago and it enabled me to donate more 
money and pay less tax.


On Wed, Oct 12, 2016, 3:45 PM Jon Langeler  
wrote:


Thanks for the tips! AAPL may be a good buy right now but not a steal

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Oct 12, 2016, at 12:07 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>
> I'm all in on AAPL at $114 (a few weeks ago). Keep blowing up
those phones Samsung... LOL
>
> This is a longer term investment... making 2% dividends is
better than most bank CD's or savings accounts, and Apple has made
a 16% annual return over the last 5 years. Even if their stock
just holds (which it won't now because of the Samsung thing, etc),
it's making 2% and it's still "liquid" according to the banks,
which helps on personal financial statements.
>
> AND, the new hip thing to do is donating stock to your church as
a charitable donation. You don't have to pay the tax on the
increase if you sold it first, you just transfer it at the current
value. Amazing the tax tricks these church going people come up
with... LOL
>
> Travis
>

[AFMUG] PTP450 and PMP450 for 900mhz

[Jon Langeler]

Is it possible to GPS sync them perfectly or is this something to avoid?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.