Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

[Steve Jones]

Mimosa b11, why

On Aug 8, 2017 10:18 PM, "Trey Scarborough"  wrote:

> Please tell me this is not a AF11 or mimosa
>
> On 8/8/2017 1:33 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Ya sorry didn't see your later email.  Thanks for the details!
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 2:02 PM, Hardy, Tim  wrote:
>
>> 30 days is specified in 101.103, but as mentioned – most PCNs today are
>> expedited to 10-business days.  If it’s a dire emergency – life and limb,
>> public safety or restoration of service, the FCC allows STAs (Special
>> Temporary Authority).  These can be granted immediately by email but must
>> be followed up with formal applications and fees.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 08, 2017 1:57 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
>>
>>
>>
>> Can't you do a rush file or something like that?  7 or 14 days?
>>
>> Is 30 days really not enough for you?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <%28937%29%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <%28937%29%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 12:01 PM, Hardy, Tim  wrote:
>>
>> There is no authority to operate until the applications have been filed –
>> period.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:59 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
>>
>>
>>
>> Has the PCN passed with no objections? What does your coordinator say?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:46:37 AM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
>>
>> Im pretty sure the answer is an absolute no, and I know I CAN do it
>> without likely being caught.
>>
>>
>>
>> If we have the gear on hand and are just waiting on the FCC, I know we
>> can physically install the radios, its just storage at height at that
>> point, but can we turn it on long enough to do fine alignment?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

[Trey Scarborough]

Please tell me this is not a AF11 or mimosa

On 8/8/2017 1:33 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Ya sorry didn't see your later email.  Thanks for the details!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 2:02 PM, Hardy, Tim > wrote:


30 days is specified in 101.103, but as mentioned – most PCNs
today are expedited to 10-business days. If it’s a dire emergency
– life and limb, public safety or restoration of service, the FCC
allows STAs (Special Temporary Authority).  These can be granted
immediately by email but must be followed up with formal
applications and fees.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 08, 2017 1:57 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

Can't you do a rush file or something like that?  7 or 14 days?

Is 30 days really not enough for you?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 12:01 PM, Hardy, Tim > wrote:

There is no authority to operate until the applications have
been filed – period.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:59 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

Has the PCN passed with no objections? What does your
coordinator say?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 







*From: *"Steve Jones" >
*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:46:37 AM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

Im pretty sure the answer is an absolute no, and I know I CAN
do it without likely being caught.

If we have the gear on hand and are just waiting on the FCC, I
know we can physically install the radios, its just storage at
height at that point, but can we turn it on long enough to do
fine alignment?

Re: [AFMUG] fusion splicer recommendations?

[Trey Scarborough]

OH wow its Gerard I thought chuck found some place you had to trench the 
fiber with a spoon. You seem to be as sporadic on these lists as me.


back to the subject at hand. I recently picked up a Trensbatter no thats 
not a typo at least on my part. Its a clone of a Fujikura 60s. I have 
used Fujikuras for some time so I am used to the interface. It is a 
pretty good knock off. Only thing is the splice holders are not made to 
be used in the cleaver then moved to the splicer. It was a little 
annoying at first. After I got used to just moving the fiber from 
cleaver to splicer I found I actually could get it where the bare fiber 
was much smaller. all in all for less than 2k it has been pretty good.


https://www.aliexpress.com/item/6-Motor-Core-Alignment-Optical-Fiber-Splicer-Similar-to-Fujikura-FUJIKURA-FSM-60S-70S-Fusion-Splicer/32480365770.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.D5dmcJ

Trey

On 8/8/2017 7:00 PM, Gerard Dupont III wrote:
We have a few of the Ruiyan RY-F600P core alignment fusion splicers 
from eBay. They're basic, but get the job done. Perfect for our 
install techs.


https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=RY-F600P&_sacat=0

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 6:37 PM Adam Moffett > wrote:


Couldn't say.


-- Original Message --
From: "Jason McKemie" >
To: "af@afmug.com " >
Sent: 8/8/2017 6:35:57 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] fusion splicer recommendations?


Good info, I'm not sure how the 12S compares to the 19S
(replacement for 18S).

On Tuesday, August 8, 2017, Adam Moffett > wrote:

The spec sheet lists everything in Kit #2. Charger, cleaver,
and carrying case are all on the list.


-- Original Message --
From: "Jason McKemie" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 8/8/2017 5:36:57 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] fusion splicer recommendations?


Is that with a cleaver and battery? Pretty good price for a
fujikura. I paid about twice that for my 18S a few years ago.

On Monday, August 7, 2017, Adam Moffett
 wrote:

We recently got brand new Fujikura 12S Kit #2 for $3200.
From a vendor, not ebay.


-- Original Message --
From: "Rob Genovesi" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/7/2017 4:01:39 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] fusion splicer recommendations?

found some info on the list but it was about 2 years
ago so I thought
I'd ping again and see if there's any new info out
there.

Looking for recommendations on the E-bay variety
fusion splicers (ie:
$3-5k)  - wondering what people have tried and
liked?  IE the Eloik
ALK-88 http://www.eloik.org/products/ALK_88.html


-Rob

Re: [AFMUG] fusion splicer recommendations?

[Eric Kuhnke]

The "Orientek" unit is resold by about a dozen different brand names if you
look on eBay or Alibaba/aliexpress. I would be very interested in finding
out what factory it actually comes from in mainland China.



On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 1:29 PM, Louis Arsenault  wrote:

> We have not had any problems with our ORIENTEK T40
> 
> .
> Have been using it almost 2 years.
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 4:01 PM, Rob Genovesi 
> wrote:
>
>> found some info on the list but it was about 2 years ago so I thought
>> I'd ping again and see if there's any new info out there.
>>
>> Looking for recommendations on the E-bay variety fusion splicers (ie:
>> $3-5k)  - wondering what people have tried and liked?  IE the Eloik
>> ALK-88 http://www.eloik.org/products/ALK_88.html
>>
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>
>
>
> --
> -Louis
>
> NTInet
> O: 803-533-1660 X 207
> C: 803-997-0004
>

Re: [AFMUG] Micro GPON OLT

[Jason McKemie]

I've seen low-count GPON OLTs, I just can't seem to find an industrial
rated model - besides something like the Calix e3-2.

On Tuesday, August 8, 2017, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> From the looks of Google, a bunch of Chinese companies.
>
> I know calix makes a 4 port line card, but you still have chassis, power
> supplies, licensing, optics, etc.
>
> On Aug 8, 2017 6:09 PM, "Jason McKemie"  > wrote:
>
>> Any idea who makes them?
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 8, 2017, Chuck Hogg > > wrote:
>>
>>> I think there are some 4 port.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 6:45 PM Jason McKemie <
>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>
 Would be nice if someone made a single port, DIN-mount OLT with an
 industrial temperature rating. Alternately, an outdoor single port unit
 would be nice. Does anything like this exist? I've got a quote coming for
 Calix's outdoor GPON OLT, but I know that number is going to be up there.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Regards,
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] fusion splicer recommendations?

[Gerard Dupont III]

We have a few of the Ruiyan RY-F600P core alignment fusion splicers from
eBay. They're basic, but get the job done. Perfect for our install techs.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=RY-F600P&_sacat=0

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 6:37 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Couldn't say.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Jason McKemie" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 8/8/2017 6:35:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] fusion splicer recommendations?
>
> Good info, I'm not sure how the 12S compares to the 19S (replacement for
> 18S).
>
> On Tuesday, August 8, 2017, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> The spec sheet lists everything in Kit #2.  Charger, cleaver, and
>> carrying case are all on the list.
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Jason McKemie" 
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Sent: 8/8/2017 5:36:57 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] fusion splicer recommendations?
>>
>> Is that with a cleaver and battery? Pretty good price for a fujikura. I
>> paid about twice that for my 18S a few years ago.
>>
>> On Monday, August 7, 2017, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>
>>> We recently got brand new Fujikura 12S Kit #2 for $3200.
>>> From a vendor, not ebay.
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Rob Genovesi" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: 8/7/2017 4:01:39 PM
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] fusion splicer recommendations?
>>>
>>> found some info on the list but it was about 2 years ago so I thought
 I'd ping again and see if there's any new info out there.

 Looking for recommendations on the E-bay variety fusion splicers (ie:
 $3-5k)  - wondering what people have tried and liked?  IE the Eloik
 ALK-88 http://www.eloik.org/products/ALK_88.html


 -Rob

>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Micro GPON OLT

[Josh Reynolds]

>From the looks of Google, a bunch of Chinese companies.

I know calix makes a 4 port line card, but you still have chassis, power
supplies, licensing, optics, etc.

On Aug 8, 2017 6:09 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
wrote:

> Any idea who makes them?
>
> On Tuesday, August 8, 2017, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
>
>> I think there are some 4 port.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 6:45 PM Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Would be nice if someone made a single port, DIN-mount OLT with an
>>> industrial temperature rating. Alternately, an outdoor single port unit
>>> would be nice. Does anything like this exist? I've got a quote coming for
>>> Calix's outdoor GPON OLT, but I know that number is going to be up there.
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Micro GPON OLT

[Gino A. Villarini]

Cheapest on the market now is UBNT

I have read multiple times of OLT in a SFP, but never seen it in the market

From: Af > on behalf of Jason 
McKemie 
>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 7:09 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Micro GPON OLT

Any idea who makes them?

On Tuesday, August 8, 2017, Chuck Hogg 
> wrote:
I think there are some 4 port.




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 6:45 PM Jason McKemie 
>
 wrote:
Would be nice if someone made a single port, DIN-mount OLT with an industrial 
temperature rating. Alternately, an outdoor single port unit would be nice. 
Does anything like this exist? I've got a quote coming for Calix's outdoor GPON 
OLT, but I know that number is going to be up there.
--
Regards,
Chuck

Re: [AFMUG] Micro GPON OLT

[Jason McKemie]

Any idea who makes them?

On Tuesday, August 8, 2017, Chuck Hogg  wrote:

> I think there are some 4 port.
>
> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 6:45 PM Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Would be nice if someone made a single port, DIN-mount OLT with an
>> industrial temperature rating. Alternately, an outdoor single port unit
>> would be nice. Does anything like this exist? I've got a quote coming for
>> Calix's outdoor GPON OLT, but I know that number is going to be up there.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Chuck
>

Re: [AFMUG] Micro GPON OLT

[Chuck Hogg]

I think there are some 4 port.

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 6:45 PM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Would be nice if someone made a single port, DIN-mount OLT with an
> industrial temperature rating. Alternately, an outdoor single port unit
> would be nice. Does anything like this exist? I've got a quote coming for
> Calix's outdoor GPON OLT, but I know that number is going to be up there.

-- 
Regards,
Chuck

[AFMUG] Micro GPON OLT

[Jason McKemie]

Would be nice if someone made a single port, DIN-mount OLT with an
industrial temperature rating. Alternately, an outdoor single port unit
would be nice. Does anything like this exist? I've got a quote coming for
Calix's outdoor GPON OLT, but I know that number is going to be up there.

Re: [AFMUG] fusion splicer recommendations?

[Adam Moffett]

Couldn't say.


-- Original Message --
From: "Jason McKemie" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 8/8/2017 6:35:57 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] fusion splicer recommendations?

Good info, I'm not sure how the 12S compares to the 19S (replacement 
for 18S).


On Tuesday, August 8, 2017, Adam Moffett  wrote:
The spec sheet lists everything in Kit #2.  Charger, cleaver, and 
carrying case are all on the list.



-- Original Message --
From: "Jason McKemie" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 8/8/2017 5:36:57 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] fusion splicer recommendations?

Is that with a cleaver and battery? Pretty good price for a fujikura. 
I paid about twice that for my 18S a few years ago.


On Monday, August 7, 2017, Adam Moffett  wrote:

We recently got brand new Fujikura 12S Kit #2 for $3200.
From a vendor, not ebay.


-- Original Message --
From: "Rob Genovesi" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/7/2017 4:01:39 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] fusion splicer recommendations?

found some info on the list but it was about 2 years ago so I 
thought

I'd ping again and see if there's any new info out there.

Looking for recommendations on the E-bay variety fusion splicers 
(ie:

$3-5k)  - wondering what people have tried and liked?  IE the Eloik
ALK-88 http://www.eloik.org/products/ALK_88.html 




-Rob

Re: [AFMUG] fusion splicer recommendations?

[Jason McKemie]

Good info, I'm not sure how the 12S compares to the 19S (replacement for
18S).

On Tuesday, August 8, 2017, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> The spec sheet lists everything in Kit #2.  Charger, cleaver, and carrying
> case are all on the list.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Jason McKemie"  >
> To: "af@afmug.com " <
> af@afmug.com >
> Sent: 8/8/2017 5:36:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] fusion splicer recommendations?
>
> Is that with a cleaver and battery? Pretty good price for a fujikura. I
> paid about twice that for my 18S a few years ago.
>
> On Monday, August 7, 2017, Adam Moffett  > wrote:
>
>> We recently got brand new Fujikura 12S Kit #2 for $3200.
>> From a vendor, not ebay.
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Rob Genovesi" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 8/7/2017 4:01:39 PM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] fusion splicer recommendations?
>>
>> found some info on the list but it was about 2 years ago so I thought
>>> I'd ping again and see if there's any new info out there.
>>>
>>> Looking for recommendations on the E-bay variety fusion splicers (ie:
>>> $3-5k)  - wondering what people have tried and liked?  IE the Eloik
>>> ALK-88 http://www.eloik.org/products/ALK_88.html
>>>
>>>
>>> -Rob
>>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] fusion splicer recommendations?

[Adam Moffett]

The spec sheet lists everything in Kit #2.  Charger, cleaver, and 
carrying case are all on the list.



-- Original Message --
From: "Jason McKemie" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 8/8/2017 5:36:57 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] fusion splicer recommendations?

Is that with a cleaver and battery? Pretty good price for a fujikura. I 
paid about twice that for my 18S a few years ago.


On Monday, August 7, 2017, Adam Moffett  wrote:

We recently got brand new Fujikura 12S Kit #2 for $3200.
From a vendor, not ebay.


-- Original Message --
From: "Rob Genovesi" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/7/2017 4:01:39 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] fusion splicer recommendations?


found some info on the list but it was about 2 years ago so I thought
I'd ping again and see if there's any new info out there.

Looking for recommendations on the E-bay variety fusion splicers (ie:
$3-5k)  - wondering what people have tried and liked?  IE the Eloik
ALK-88 http://www.eloik.org/products/ALK_88.html 




-Rob

Re: [AFMUG] fusion splicer recommendations?

[Jason McKemie]

Is that with a cleaver and battery? Pretty good price for a fujikura. I
paid about twice that for my 18S a few years ago.

On Monday, August 7, 2017, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> We recently got brand new Fujikura 12S Kit #2 for $3200.
> From a vendor, not ebay.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Rob Genovesi" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 8/7/2017 4:01:39 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] fusion splicer recommendations?
>
> found some info on the list but it was about 2 years ago so I thought
>> I'd ping again and see if there's any new info out there.
>>
>> Looking for recommendations on the E-bay variety fusion splicers (ie:
>> $3-5k)  - wondering what people have tried and liked?  IE the Eloik
>> ALK-88 http://www.eloik.org/products/ALK_88.html
>>
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

[Jaime Solorza]

Use 10GHz radar detector parts... HAM guys have done 300 mile links with
10GHz over water.
Jaime Solorza

On Aug 8, 2017 3:15 PM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:

> I loved the idea of the scopebut the thing about the scope is if it
> was close enough to see the other end with a scope, then I didn't need any
> tool to align it.
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 8/8/2017 4:57:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
>
> Align it with the scope and then put in any frequency.  It was a pretty
> slick system.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 8, 2017 2:49 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
>
> I think you more or less had this with your swappable feed horns on the
> optics dish.  A person could align it with 5ghz, then put their 18ghz feed
> in place.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 8/8/2017 2:25:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
>
>
> I presume operation of the tester would cause some kind of infraction
> unless I could get a nationwide narrowband frequency for it.  There are
> nationwide frequencies available in most if not all bands.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 8, 2017 12:05 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
>
> time for Chuck to design and make an 18GHz alignment tool like Teletronics
> had.   A transmitter on one side connected to antenna and receiver at other
> side connected to antenna.   Teletronics customed made some for me which I
> sold years ago in 2450 GHz and 5750MHz.
>
>
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390 <(915)%20861-1390>
>
> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:53 AM, Hardy, Tim  wrote:
>
>> Filed and only then if in a frequency and area where Conditional
>> Authorization is allowed.  There are some areas / bands that are designated
>> quiet zones.  Denver, DC, Santa Monica at 18 GHz, all bands around Green
>> Bank, WV, etc.  If you’re not in one of these areas and the stations are
>> not within 56 kilometers of an international border you should be eligible
>> for Conditional Authorization which will allow you to operate legally as
>> soon as the applications have been filed and pending formal FCC license
>> grant.
>>
>>
>>
>> I would add to Chuck’s comments a word of caution.  If your coordinator
>> has to make changes to the initial coordination (reducing power, changing
>> frequencies, etc.) this is strong indication that the proposal wasn’t
>> properly engineered in the first place and the changes were likely the
>> result of complaints of actual interference from other licensees and
>> coordinators.  Most PCNs today are expedited to 10-business days or so
>> which is usually much less time than ordering and shipping of equipment.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 08, 2017 1:17 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
>>
>>
>>
>> we have the radios and the expedited coordination is in process. Ill be
>> gone for a week but want to knock it out as soon as possible. If nothing
>> else ill just set the AZ/EL on them and wait to plug them in.
>>
>>
>>
>> I was hoping there was a backdoor thats legal, but i can be patient
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:22 AM,  wrote:
>>
>> It does not take that long to get a license.
>>
>>
>>
>> The frequency coordinator can clear a pair in a day if there is a pair to
>> be had.
>>
>>
>>
>> Once they find you some freqs, if you are on a short time line, order the
>> radios and antennas.
>>
>>
>>
>> I would risk firing them up and aiming them before you get the PCN
>> clearance as the frequency coordinators are pretty danged good.  Low chance
>> of harming someone else.  I would not leave them on for any longer than it
>> takes to aim them.
>>
>>
>>
>> The absolutely safe way of doing it is to give the rest of the world the
>> 30 days to respond to the PCN stuff.
>>
>> Then if no objections buy the radios and antennas.
>>
>> Then file with the FCC.
>>
>> Then install and aim and operate.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Steve Jones
>>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:10 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
>>
>>
>>
>> filed or approved?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Hardy, Tim  wrote:
>>
>> There is no authority to operate until the applications have been filed –
>> period.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:59 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
>>
>>
>>
>> Has the PCN passed with no objections? What does your 

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

[Adam Moffett]

I loved the idea of the scopebut the thing about the scope is if it 
was close enough to see the other end with a scope, then I didn't need 
any tool to align it.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/8/2017 4:57:58 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

Align it with the scope and then put in any frequency.  It was a pretty 
slick system.


From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 2:49 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

I think you more or less had this with your swappable feed horns on the 
optics dish.  A person could align it with 5ghz, then put their 18ghz 
feed in place.



-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/8/2017 2:25:36 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

I presume operation of the tester would cause some kind of infraction 
unless I could get a nationwide narrowband frequency for it.  There 
are nationwide frequencies available in most if not all bands.


From:Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 12:05 PM
To:Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

time for Chuck to design and make an 18GHz alignment tool like 
Teletronics had.   A transmitter on one side connected to antenna and 
receiver at other side connected to antenna.   Teletronics customed 
made some for me which I sold years ago in 2450 GHz and 5750MHz.



Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:53 AM, Hardy, Tim  
wrote:
Filed and only then if in a frequency and area where Conditional 
Authorization is allowed.  There are some areas / bands that are 
designated quiet zones.  Denver, DC, Santa Monica at 18 GHz, all 
bands around Green Bank, WV, etc.  If you’re not in one of these 
areas and the stations are not within 56 kilometers of an 
international border you should be eligible for Conditional 
Authorization which will allow you to operate legally as soon as the 
applications have been filed and pending formal FCC license grant.




I would add to Chuck’s comments a word of caution.  If your 
coordinator has to make changes to the initial coordination (reducing 
power, changing frequencies, etc.) this is strong indication that the 
proposal wasn’t properly engineered in the first place and the 
changes were likely the result of complaints of actual interference 
from other licensees and coordinators.  Most PCNs today are expedited 
to 10-business days or so which is usually much less time than 
ordering and shipping of equipment.




From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 1:17 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval



we have the radios and the expedited coordination is in process. Ill 
be gone for a week but want to knock it out as soon as possible. If 
nothing else ill just set the AZ/EL on them and wait to plug them in.




I was hoping there was a backdoor thats legal, but i can be patient



On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:22 AM,  wrote:


It does not take that long to get a license.



The frequency coordinator can clear a pair in a day if there is a 
pair to be had.




Once they find you some freqs, if you are on a short time line, 
order the radios and antennas.




I would risk firing them up and aiming them before you get the PCN 
clearance as the frequency coordinators are pretty danged good.  Low 
chance of harming someone else.  I would not leave them on for any 
longer than it takes to aim them.




The absolutely safe way of doing it is to give the rest of the world 
the 30 days to respond to the PCN stuff.


Then if no objections buy the radios and antennas.

Then file with the FCC.

Then install and aim and operate.



From: Steve Jones

Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:10 AM

To:af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval



filed or approved?



On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Hardy, Tim  
wrote:


There is no authority to operate until the applications have been 
filed – period.




From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:59 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval



Has the PCN passed with no objections? What does your coordinator 
say?




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 
 
 


Midwest Internet Exchange 
 
 


The Brothers WISP 

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

[chuck]

Align it with the scope and then put in any frequency.  It was a pretty slick 
system.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 2:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

I think you more or less had this with your swappable feed horns on the optics 
dish.  A person could align it with 5ghz, then put their 18ghz feed in place.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/8/2017 2:25:36 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

  I presume operation of the tester would cause some kind of infraction unless 
I could get a nationwide narrowband frequency for it.  There are nationwide 
frequencies available in most if not all bands.  

  From: Jaime Solorza 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 12:05 PM
  To: Animal Farm 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

  time for Chuck to design and make an 18GHz alignment tool like Teletronics 
had.   A transmitter on one side connected to antenna and receiver at other 
side connected to antenna.   Teletronics customed made some for me which I sold 
years ago in 2450 GHz and 5750MHz. 


  Jaime Solorza 
  Wireless Systems Architect
  915-861-1390

  On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:53 AM, Hardy, Tim  wrote:

Filed and only then if in a frequency and area where Conditional 
Authorization is allowed.  There are some areas / bands that are designated 
quiet zones.  Denver, DC, Santa Monica at 18 GHz, all bands around Green Bank, 
WV, etc.  If you’re not in one of these areas and the stations are not within 
56 kilometers of an international border you should be eligible for Conditional 
Authorization which will allow you to operate legally as soon as the 
applications have been filed and pending formal FCC license grant.



I would add to Chuck’s comments a word of caution.  If your coordinator has 
to make changes to the initial coordination (reducing power, changing 
frequencies, etc.) this is strong indication that the proposal wasn’t properly 
engineered in the first place and the changes were likely the result of 
complaints of actual interference from other licensees and coordinators.  Most 
PCNs today are expedited to 10-business days or so which is usually much less 
time than ordering and shipping of equipment. 



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 1:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval



we have the radios and the expedited coordination is in process. Ill be 
gone for a week but want to knock it out as soon as possible. If nothing else 
ill just set the AZ/EL on them and wait to plug them in.



I was hoping there was a backdoor thats legal, but i can be patient



On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:22 AM,  wrote:

  It does not take that long to get a license.  



  The frequency coordinator can clear a pair in a day if there is a pair to 
be had.  



  Once they find you some freqs, if you are on a short time line, order the 
radios and antennas.



  I would risk firing them up and aiming them before you get the PCN 
clearance as the frequency coordinators are pretty danged good.  Low chance of 
harming someone else.  I would not leave them on for any longer than it takes 
to aim them.  



  The absolutely safe way of doing it is to give the rest of the world the 
30 days to respond to the PCN stuff.

  Then if no objections buy the radios and antennas.  

  Then file with the FCC.  

  Then install and aim and operate.  



  From: Steve Jones 

  Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:10 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval



  filed or approved?



  On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Hardy, Tim  wrote:

There is no authority to operate until the applications have been filed 
– period.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval



Has the PCN passed with no objections? What does your coordinator say?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Steve Jones" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:46:37 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

Im pretty sure the answer is an absolute no, and I know I CAN do it 
without likely being caught.



If we have the gear on hand and are just waiting on the FCC, I know we 
can physically install the radios, its just 

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

[Adam Moffett]

I think you more or less had this with your swappable feed horns on the 
optics dish.  A person could align it with 5ghz, then put their 18ghz 
feed in place.



-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/8/2017 2:25:36 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

I presume operation of the tester would cause some kind of infraction 
unless I could get a nationwide narrowband frequency for it.  There are 
nationwide frequencies available in most if not all bands.


From:Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 12:05 PM
To:Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

time for Chuck to design and make an 18GHz alignment tool like 
Teletronics had.   A transmitter on one side connected to antenna and 
receiver at other side connected to antenna.   Teletronics customed 
made some for me which I sold years ago in 2450 GHz and 5750MHz.



Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:53 AM, Hardy, Tim  
wrote:
Filed and only then if in a frequency and area where Conditional 
Authorization is allowed.  There are some areas / bands that are 
designated quiet zones.  Denver, DC, Santa Monica at 18 GHz, all bands 
around Green Bank, WV, etc.  If you’re not in one of these areas and 
the stations are not within 56 kilometers of an international border 
you should be eligible for Conditional Authorization which will allow 
you to operate legally as soon as the applications have been filed and 
pending formal FCC license grant.




I would add to Chuck’s comments a word of caution.  If your 
coordinator has to make changes to the initial coordination (reducing 
power, changing frequencies, etc.) this is strong indication that the 
proposal wasn’t properly engineered in the first place and the changes 
were likely the result of complaints of actual interference from other 
licensees and coordinators.  Most PCNs today are expedited to 
10-business days or so which is usually much less time than ordering 
and shipping of equipment.




From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 1:17 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval



we have the radios and the expedited coordination is in process. Ill 
be gone for a week but want to knock it out as soon as possible. If 
nothing else ill just set the AZ/EL on them and wait to plug them in.




I was hoping there was a backdoor thats legal, but i can be patient



On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:22 AM,  wrote:


It does not take that long to get a license.



The frequency coordinator can clear a pair in a day if there is a 
pair to be had.




Once they find you some freqs, if you are on a short time line, order 
the radios and antennas.




I would risk firing them up and aiming them before you get the PCN 
clearance as the frequency coordinators are pretty danged good.  Low 
chance of harming someone else.  I would not leave them on for any 
longer than it takes to aim them.




The absolutely safe way of doing it is to give the rest of the world 
the 30 days to respond to the PCN stuff.


Then if no objections buy the radios and antennas.

Then file with the FCC.

Then install and aim and operate.



From: Steve Jones

Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:10 AM

To:af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval



filed or approved?



On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Hardy, Tim  
wrote:


There is no authority to operate until the applications have been 
filed – period.




From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:59 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval



Has the PCN passed with no objections? What does your coordinator 
say?




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 
 
 


Midwest Internet Exchange 
 
 


The Brothers WISP 






From: "Steve Jones" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:46:37 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

Im pretty sure the answer is an absolute no, and I know I CAN do it 
without likely being caught.




If we have the gear on hand and are just waiting on the FCC, I know 
we can physically install the radios, its 

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

[Josh Reynolds]

"Thats hot"

On Aug 8, 2017 1:25 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:

> I don't do shit until Liz tells me I can.
>
> On 8/8/2017 1:02 PM, Hardy, Tim wrote:
>
> 30 days is specified in 101.103, but as mentioned – most PCNs today are
> expedited to 10-business days.  If it’s a dire emergency – life and limb,
> public safety or restoration of service, the FCC allows STAs (Special
> Temporary Authority).  These can be granted immediately by email but must
> be followed up with formal applications and fees.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 08, 2017 1:57 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
>
>
>
> Can't you do a rush file or something like that?  7 or 14 days?
>
> Is 30 days really not enough for you?
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 12:01 PM, Hardy, Tim  wrote:
>
> There is no authority to operate until the applications have been filed –
> period.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:59 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
>
>
>
> Has the PCN passed with no objections? What does your coordinator say?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:46:37 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
>
> Im pretty sure the answer is an absolute no, and I know I CAN do it
> without likely being caught.
>
>
>
> If we have the gear on hand and are just waiting on the FCC, I know we can
> physically install the radios, its just storage at height at that point,
> but can we turn it on long enough to do fine alignment?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] fusion splicer recommendations?

[Louis Arsenault]

We have not had any problems with our ORIENTEK T40

.
Have been using it almost 2 years.


On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 4:01 PM, Rob Genovesi  wrote:

> found some info on the list but it was about 2 years ago so I thought
> I'd ping again and see if there's any new info out there.
>
> Looking for recommendations on the E-bay variety fusion splicers (ie:
> $3-5k)  - wondering what people have tried and liked?  IE the Eloik
> ALK-88 http://www.eloik.org/products/ALK_88.html
>
>
> -Rob
>



-- 
-Louis

NTInet
O: 803-533-1660 X 207
C: 803-997-0004

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

[Josh Luthman]

Ya sorry didn't see your later email.  Thanks for the details!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 2:02 PM, Hardy, Tim  wrote:

> 30 days is specified in 101.103, but as mentioned – most PCNs today are
> expedited to 10-business days.  If it’s a dire emergency – life and limb,
> public safety or restoration of service, the FCC allows STAs (Special
> Temporary Authority).  These can be granted immediately by email but must
> be followed up with formal applications and fees.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 08, 2017 1:57 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
>
>
>
> Can't you do a rush file or something like that?  7 or 14 days?
>
> Is 30 days really not enough for you?
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 12:01 PM, Hardy, Tim  wrote:
>
> There is no authority to operate until the applications have been filed –
> period.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:59 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
>
>
>
> Has the PCN passed with no objections? What does your coordinator say?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:46:37 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
>
> Im pretty sure the answer is an absolute no, and I know I CAN do it
> without likely being caught.
>
>
>
> If we have the gear on hand and are just waiting on the FCC, I know we can
> physically install the radios, its just storage at height at that point,
> but can we turn it on long enough to do fine alignment?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

[George Skorup]

I don't do shit until Liz tells me I can.

On 8/8/2017 1:02 PM, Hardy, Tim wrote:


30 days is specified in 101.103, but as mentioned – most PCNs today 
are expedited to 10-business days.  If it’s a dire emergency – life 
and limb, public safety or restoration of service, the FCC allows STAs 
(Special Temporary Authority). These can be granted immediately by 
email but must be followed up with formal applications and fees.


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 08, 2017 1:57 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

Can't you do a rush file or something like that?  7 or 14 days?

Is 30 days really not enough for you?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 12:01 PM, Hardy, Tim > wrote:


There is no authority to operate until the applications have been
filed – period.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:59 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

Has the PCN passed with no objections? What does your coordinator say?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 







*From: *"Steve Jones" >
*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:46:37 AM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

Im pretty sure the answer is an absolute no, and I know I CAN do
it without likely being caught.

If we have the gear on hand and are just waiting on the FCC, I
know we can physically install the radios, its just storage at
height at that point, but can we turn it on long enough to do fine
alignment?

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

[chuck]

I presume operation of the tester would cause some kind of infraction unless I 
could get a nationwide narrowband frequency for it.  There are nationwide 
frequencies available in most if not all bands.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 12:05 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

time for Chuck to design and make an 18GHz alignment tool like Teletronics had. 
  A transmitter on one side connected to antenna and receiver at other side 
connected to antenna.   Teletronics customed made some for me which I sold 
years ago in 2450 GHz and 5750MHz. 


Jaime Solorza 
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:53 AM, Hardy, Tim  wrote:

  Filed and only then if in a frequency and area where Conditional 
Authorization is allowed.  There are some areas / bands that are designated 
quiet zones.  Denver, DC, Santa Monica at 18 GHz, all bands around Green Bank, 
WV, etc.  If you’re not in one of these areas and the stations are not within 
56 kilometers of an international border you should be eligible for Conditional 
Authorization which will allow you to operate legally as soon as the 
applications have been filed and pending formal FCC license grant.



  I would add to Chuck’s comments a word of caution.  If your coordinator has 
to make changes to the initial coordination (reducing power, changing 
frequencies, etc.) this is strong indication that the proposal wasn’t properly 
engineered in the first place and the changes were likely the result of 
complaints of actual interference from other licensees and coordinators.  Most 
PCNs today are expedited to 10-business days or so which is usually much less 
time than ordering and shipping of equipment. 



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
  Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 1:17 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval



  we have the radios and the expedited coordination is in process. Ill be gone 
for a week but want to knock it out as soon as possible. If nothing else ill 
just set the AZ/EL on them and wait to plug them in.



  I was hoping there was a backdoor thats legal, but i can be patient



  On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:22 AM,  wrote:

It does not take that long to get a license.  



The frequency coordinator can clear a pair in a day if there is a pair to 
be had.  



Once they find you some freqs, if you are on a short time line, order the 
radios and antennas.



I would risk firing them up and aiming them before you get the PCN 
clearance as the frequency coordinators are pretty danged good.  Low chance of 
harming someone else.  I would not leave them on for any longer than it takes 
to aim them.  



The absolutely safe way of doing it is to give the rest of the world the 30 
days to respond to the PCN stuff.

Then if no objections buy the radios and antennas.  

Then file with the FCC.  

Then install and aim and operate.  



From: Steve Jones 

Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:10 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval



filed or approved?



On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Hardy, Tim  wrote:

  There is no authority to operate until the applications have been filed – 
period.



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
  Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:59 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval



  Has the PCN passed with no objections? What does your coordinator say?



  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Steve Jones" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:46:37 AM
  Subject: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

  Im pretty sure the answer is an absolute no, and I know I CAN do it 
without likely being caught.



  If we have the gear on hand and are just waiting on the FCC, I know we 
can physically install the radios, its just storage at height at that point, 
but can we turn it on long enough to do fine alignment?

[AFMUG] American Towers

[SmarterBroadband]

Hi

 

Not happy American Towers are asking for a 4% per year escalator.  What have
people got them down to?

 

Reply off list if you don't want to be seen sharing this info.

 

Thanks

 

Adam

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

[Jaime Solorza]

time for Chuck to design and make an 18GHz alignment tool like Teletronics
had.   A transmitter on one side connected to antenna and receiver at other
side connected to antenna.   Teletronics customed made some for me which I
sold years ago in 2450 GHz and 5750MHz.


Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:53 AM, Hardy, Tim  wrote:

> Filed and only then if in a frequency and area where Conditional
> Authorization is allowed.  There are some areas / bands that are designated
> quiet zones.  Denver, DC, Santa Monica at 18 GHz, all bands around Green
> Bank, WV, etc.  If you’re not in one of these areas and the stations are
> not within 56 kilometers of an international border you should be eligible
> for Conditional Authorization which will allow you to operate legally as
> soon as the applications have been filed and pending formal FCC license
> grant.
>
>
>
> I would add to Chuck’s comments a word of caution.  If your coordinator
> has to make changes to the initial coordination (reducing power, changing
> frequencies, etc.) this is strong indication that the proposal wasn’t
> properly engineered in the first place and the changes were likely the
> result of complaints of actual interference from other licensees and
> coordinators.  Most PCNs today are expedited to 10-business days or so
> which is usually much less time than ordering and shipping of equipment.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 08, 2017 1:17 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
>
>
>
> we have the radios and the expedited coordination is in process. Ill be
> gone for a week but want to knock it out as soon as possible. If nothing
> else ill just set the AZ/EL on them and wait to plug them in.
>
>
>
> I was hoping there was a backdoor thats legal, but i can be patient
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:22 AM,  wrote:
>
> It does not take that long to get a license.
>
>
>
> The frequency coordinator can clear a pair in a day if there is a pair to
> be had.
>
>
>
> Once they find you some freqs, if you are on a short time line, order the
> radios and antennas.
>
>
>
> I would risk firing them up and aiming them before you get the PCN
> clearance as the frequency coordinators are pretty danged good.  Low chance
> of harming someone else.  I would not leave them on for any longer than it
> takes to aim them.
>
>
>
> The absolutely safe way of doing it is to give the rest of the world the
> 30 days to respond to the PCN stuff.
>
> Then if no objections buy the radios and antennas.
>
> Then file with the FCC.
>
> Then install and aim and operate.
>
>
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:10 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
>
>
>
> filed or approved?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Hardy, Tim  wrote:
>
> There is no authority to operate until the applications have been filed –
> period.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:59 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
>
>
>
> Has the PCN passed with no objections? What does your coordinator say?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:46:37 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
>
> Im pretty sure the answer is an absolute no, and I know I CAN do it
> without likely being caught.
>
>
>
> If we have the gear on hand and are just waiting on the FCC, I know we can
> physically install the radios, its just storage at height at that point,
> but can we turn it on long enough to do fine alignment?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

[Hardy, Tim]

30 days is specified in 101.103, but as mentioned – most PCNs today are 
expedited to 10-business days.  If it’s a dire emergency – life and limb, 
public safety or restoration of service, the FCC allows STAs (Special Temporary 
Authority).  These can be granted immediately by email but must be followed up 
with formal applications and fees.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 1:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

Can't you do a rush file or something like that?  7 or 14 days?

Is 30 days really not enough for you?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 12:01 PM, Hardy, Tim 
> wrote:
There is no authority to operate until the applications have been filed – 
period.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

Has the PCN passed with no objections? What does your coordinator say?


-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Steve Jones" 
>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:46:37 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
Im pretty sure the answer is an absolute no, and I know I CAN do it without 
likely being caught.

If we have the gear on hand and are just waiting on the FCC, I know we can 
physically install the radios, its just storage at height at that point, but 
can we turn it on long enough to do fine alignment?

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

[Josh Luthman]

Can't you do a rush file or something like that?  7 or 14 days?

Is 30 days really not enough for you?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 12:01 PM, Hardy, Tim  wrote:

> There is no authority to operate until the applications have been filed –
> period.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:59 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
>
>
>
> Has the PCN passed with no objections? What does your coordinator say?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:46:37 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
>
> Im pretty sure the answer is an absolute no, and I know I CAN do it
> without likely being caught.
>
>
>
> If we have the gear on hand and are just waiting on the FCC, I know we can
> physically install the radios, its just storage at height at that point,
> but can we turn it on long enough to do fine alignment?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

[Hardy, Tim]

Filed and only then if in a frequency and area where Conditional Authorization 
is allowed.  There are some areas / bands that are designated quiet zones.  
Denver, DC, Santa Monica at 18 GHz, all bands around Green Bank, WV, etc.  If 
you’re not in one of these areas and the stations are not within 56 kilometers 
of an international border you should be eligible for Conditional Authorization 
which will allow you to operate legally as soon as the applications have been 
filed and pending formal FCC license grant.

I would add to Chuck’s comments a word of caution.  If your coordinator has to 
make changes to the initial coordination (reducing power, changing frequencies, 
etc.) this is strong indication that the proposal wasn’t properly engineered in 
the first place and the changes were likely the result of complaints of actual 
interference from other licensees and coordinators.  Most PCNs today are 
expedited to 10-business days or so which is usually much less time than 
ordering and shipping of equipment.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 1:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

we have the radios and the expedited coordination is in process. Ill be gone 
for a week but want to knock it out as soon as possible. If nothing else ill 
just set the AZ/EL on them and wait to plug them in.

I was hoping there was a backdoor thats legal, but i can be patient

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:22 AM, > 
wrote:
It does not take that long to get a license.

The frequency coordinator can clear a pair in a day if there is a pair to be 
had.

Once they find you some freqs, if you are on a short time line, order the 
radios and antennas.

I would risk firing them up and aiming them before you get the PCN clearance as 
the frequency coordinators are pretty danged good.  Low chance of harming 
someone else.  I would not leave them on for any longer than it takes to aim 
them.

The absolutely safe way of doing it is to give the rest of the world the 30 
days to respond to the PCN stuff.
Then if no objections buy the radios and antennas.
Then file with the FCC.
Then install and aim and operate.

From: Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

filed or approved?

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Hardy, Tim 
> wrote:
There is no authority to operate until the applications have been filed – 
period.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

Has the PCN passed with no objections? What does your coordinator say?


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Steve Jones" 
>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:46:37 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
Im pretty sure the answer is an absolute no, and I know I CAN do it without 
likely being caught.

If we have the gear on hand and are just waiting on the FCC, I know we can 
physically install the radios, its just storage at height at that point, but 
can we turn it on long enough to do fine alignment?

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

[Jaime Solorza]

wow, Chuck is the lenient parent and I am the strict one..   a distortion
in the time continuum must be the culprit.

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:35 AM,  wrote:

> I might bend it a bit.
>
> Say is was perhaps a 5 mile 18 GHz link, and the Mimosa fancy “who is on
> the air”  tool shows nobody in this area on 18 GHz I don’t think I would
> feel too guilty.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 8, 2017 11:32 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
>
> Hey Steve, in my rebellious days, I went against The Man and tore the
> labels off my sofa and mattresses.No black helicopters hovering over my
> house; well not quite true, the border is less than a mile from mu house,
> and we see them everyday, but not coming after me!!
>
> all kidding aside, its a Bozo NoNo to fire up without the approval.
> Listen to the angel's voice today...
>
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390 <(915)%20861-1390>
>
> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:16 AM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> we have the radios and the expedited coordination is in process. Ill be
>> gone for a week but want to knock it out as soon as possible. If nothing
>> else ill just set the AZ/EL on them and wait to plug them in.
>>
>> I was hoping there was a backdoor thats legal, but i can be patient
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:22 AM,  wrote:
>>
>>> It does not take that long to get a license.
>>>
>>> The frequency coordinator can clear a pair in a day if there is a pair
>>> to be had.
>>>
>>> Once they find you some freqs, if you are on a short time line, order
>>> the radios and antennas.
>>>
>>> I would risk firing them up and aiming them before you get the PCN
>>> clearance as the frequency coordinators are pretty danged good.  Low chance
>>> of harming someone else.  I would not leave them on for any longer than it
>>> takes to aim them.
>>>
>>> The absolutely safe way of doing it is to give the rest of the world the
>>> 30 days to respond to the PCN stuff.
>>> Then if no objections buy the radios and antennas.
>>> Then file with the FCC.
>>> Then install and aim and operate.
>>>
>>> *From:* Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:10 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
>>>
>>> filed or approved?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Hardy, Tim 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 There is no authority to operate until the applications have been filed
 – period.



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
 *Sent:* Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:59 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval



 Has the PCN passed with no objections? What does your coordinator say?



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 
 
 
 
 Midwest Internet Exchange 
 
 
 
 The Brothers WISP 
 


 
 --

 *From: *"Steve Jones" 
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:46:37 AM
 *Subject: *[AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

 Im pretty sure the answer is an absolute no, and I know I CAN do it
 without likely being caught.



 If we have the gear on hand and are just waiting on the FCC, I know we
 can physically install the radios, its just storage at height at that
 point, but can we turn it on long enough to do fine alignment?







>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitechs

[Dennis Burgess]

We are always here :)  


Dennis Burgess - Network Solution Engineer - Consultant 
MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant - MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
Radio Frequency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com 
Office: 314-735-0270
E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net 


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 12:45 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com' 
Subject: [AFMUG] IPArchitechs

That company was a bust.

So I'm looking again for a professional team/company that can professionally 
handle my network contracting needs in a reasonable time frame.

Dennis, I'll be asking for your help again in the meantime as soon as I get 
refunded from IPArchitechs.

[AFMUG] IPArchitechs

[Sterling Jacobson]

That company was a bust.

So I'm looking again for a professional team/company that can professionally 
handle my network contracting needs in a reasonable time frame.

Dennis, I'll be asking for your help again in the meantime as soon as I get 
refunded from IPArchitechs.

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

[chuck]

I might bend it a bit.  

Say is was perhaps a 5 mile 18 GHz link, and the Mimosa fancy “who is on the 
air”  tool shows nobody in this area on 18 GHz I don’t think I would feel too 
guilty.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 11:32 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

Hey Steve, in my rebellious days, I went against The Man and tore the labels 
off my sofa and mattresses.No black helicopters hovering over my house; 
well not quite true, the border is less than a mile from mu house, and we see 
them everyday, but not coming after me!! 

all kidding aside, its a Bozo NoNo to fire up without the approval.  Listen to 
the angel's voice today...

Jaime Solorza 
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:16 AM, Steve Jones  wrote:

  we have the radios and the expedited coordination is in process. Ill be gone 
for a week but want to knock it out as soon as possible. If nothing else ill 
just set the AZ/EL on them and wait to plug them in. 

  I was hoping there was a backdoor thats legal, but i can be patient

  On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:22 AM,  wrote:

It does not take that long to get a license.  

The frequency coordinator can clear a pair in a day if there is a pair to 
be had.  

Once they find you some freqs, if you are on a short time line, order the 
radios and antennas.

I would risk firing them up and aiming them before you get the PCN 
clearance as the frequency coordinators are pretty danged good.  Low chance of 
harming someone else.  I would not leave them on for any longer than it takes 
to aim them.  

The absolutely safe way of doing it is to give the rest of the world the 30 
days to respond to the PCN stuff.
Then if no objections buy the radios and antennas.  
Then file with the FCC.  
Then install and aim and operate.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

filed or approved?

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Hardy, Tim  wrote:

  There is no authority to operate until the applications have been filed – 
period.



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
  Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:59 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval



  Has the PCN passed with no objections? What does your coordinator say?



  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Steve Jones" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:46:37 AM
  Subject: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

  Im pretty sure the answer is an absolute no, and I know I CAN do it 
without likely being caught.



  If we have the gear on hand and are just waiting on the FCC, I know we 
can physically install the radios, its just storage at height at that point, 
but can we turn it on long enough to do fine alignment?

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

[Jaime Solorza]

Hey Steve, in my rebellious days, I went against The Man and tore the
labels off my sofa and mattresses.No black helicopters hovering over my
house; well not quite true, the border is less than a mile from mu house,
and we see them everyday, but not coming after me!!

all kidding aside, its a Bozo NoNo to fire up without the approval.  Listen
to the angel's voice today...

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:16 AM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> we have the radios and the expedited coordination is in process. Ill be
> gone for a week but want to knock it out as soon as possible. If nothing
> else ill just set the AZ/EL on them and wait to plug them in.
>
> I was hoping there was a backdoor thats legal, but i can be patient
>
> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:22 AM,  wrote:
>
>> It does not take that long to get a license.
>>
>> The frequency coordinator can clear a pair in a day if there is a pair to
>> be had.
>>
>> Once they find you some freqs, if you are on a short time line, order the
>> radios and antennas.
>>
>> I would risk firing them up and aiming them before you get the PCN
>> clearance as the frequency coordinators are pretty danged good.  Low chance
>> of harming someone else.  I would not leave them on for any longer than it
>> takes to aim them.
>>
>> The absolutely safe way of doing it is to give the rest of the world the
>> 30 days to respond to the PCN stuff.
>> Then if no objections buy the radios and antennas.
>> Then file with the FCC.
>> Then install and aim and operate.
>>
>> *From:* Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:10 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
>>
>> filed or approved?
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Hardy, Tim  wrote:
>>
>>> There is no authority to operate until the applications have been filed
>>> – period.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:59 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Has the PCN passed with no objections? What does your coordinator say?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:46:37 AM
>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
>>>
>>> Im pretty sure the answer is an absolute no, and I know I CAN do it
>>> without likely being caught.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If we have the gear on hand and are just waiting on the FCC, I know we
>>> can physically install the radios, its just storage at height at that
>>> point, but can we turn it on long enough to do fine alignment?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

[Steve Jones]

we have the radios and the expedited coordination is in process. Ill be
gone for a week but want to knock it out as soon as possible. If nothing
else ill just set the AZ/EL on them and wait to plug them in.

I was hoping there was a backdoor thats legal, but i can be patient

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:22 AM,  wrote:

> It does not take that long to get a license.
>
> The frequency coordinator can clear a pair in a day if there is a pair to
> be had.
>
> Once they find you some freqs, if you are on a short time line, order the
> radios and antennas.
>
> I would risk firing them up and aiming them before you get the PCN
> clearance as the frequency coordinators are pretty danged good.  Low chance
> of harming someone else.  I would not leave them on for any longer than it
> takes to aim them.
>
> The absolutely safe way of doing it is to give the rest of the world the
> 30 days to respond to the PCN stuff.
> Then if no objections buy the radios and antennas.
> Then file with the FCC.
> Then install and aim and operate.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:10 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
>
> filed or approved?
>
> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Hardy, Tim  wrote:
>
>> There is no authority to operate until the applications have been filed –
>> period.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:59 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
>>
>>
>>
>> Has the PCN passed with no objections? What does your coordinator say?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:46:37 AM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
>>
>> Im pretty sure the answer is an absolute no, and I know I CAN do it
>> without likely being caught.
>>
>>
>>
>> If we have the gear on hand and are just waiting on the FCC, I know we
>> can physically install the radios, its just storage at height at that
>> point, but can we turn it on long enough to do fine alignment?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Four Mile Link

[chuck]

I aimed a 12 footer on 6 GHz once.  Similar to doing a 60 GHz link.  Very 
touchy.  

C band satellites are much easier to hit with a 12 foot dish than 6 GHz PTP.  

From: Chris Wright 
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Four Mile Link

Good grief. And I thought 60ghz was bad…

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 8:43 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Four Mile Link

 

.18 degree beamwidth.  Can you imagine aiming .18 degrees, tighter actually as 
that is the HPBW.  Most of us like to be down no more than a half dB from peak 
when aiming.  That is .08 degrees on this dish.  

 

From: Josh Reynolds 

Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 8:57 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Four Mile Link

 

All of them! :)

 

On Aug 2, 2017 2:17 PM, "Chris Wright"  wrote:

8’ dishes are stupid-big for a 10 mile link on 18GHz. What kind of speeds are 
you trying to push?

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2017 8:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Four Mile Link

 

My 10 mile Dragonwave links had 3 footers I think.  

 

From: Rory Conaway 

Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2017 9:38 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Four Mile Link

 

Use a pair of B5cs with RD-34 dishes with RF Armor shield kits, I’d be shocked 
if you can’t get 100Mbps without disrupting anything else.

I just checked a 10 mile 18GHz link in Arizona and they wanted me to use 8’ 
dishes.

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2017 8:18 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Four Mile Link

 

Yeah, I have used 18 GHz out to 10 miles before in Utah.  

 

From: Mike Hammett 

Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2017 6:56 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Four Mile Link

 

Seems like a waste. 11 GHz is ripe for four miles. In a dry climate, 18 GHz 
would work as well.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Jay Weekley" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2017 7:53:09 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Four Mile Link

What about 6 GHz?

Adair Winter wrote:
> Forget 24, 60, 80Ghz if that's what you're thinking
> If you can't do 5 (and you probably can if you think you can pull on 
> DFS or UNII-1) than 11 and 11ghz are about your only options.
>
> On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 6:47 AM, Eric Rogers  > wrote:
>
> I need a link that is capable of 4.25 miles, and something over
> 100M.  I fear that 5GHz will be out because of all the used
> spectrum, but wanted to ask what are my options?
>
> Eric Rogers
>
> PDSConnect_logo-Connecting You to the World - Signature Logo
>
> www.pdsconnect.me 
>
> (317) 831-3000 x200 
>
>
>
>
> -- 
>
> Adair Winter
> VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
> Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071
> C: 806.231.7180
> http://www.amarillowireless.net 
> 
>
>
>
> 
>  
> Virus-free. www.avg.com 
> 
>  
>
>
> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

 

Re: [AFMUG] Four Mile Link

[Chris Wright]

Good grief. And I thought 60ghz was bad…

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 8:43 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Four Mile Link

 

.18 degree beamwidth.  Can you imagine aiming .18 degrees, tighter actually as 
that is the HPBW.  Most of us like to be down no more than a half dB from peak 
when aiming.  That is .08 degrees on this dish.  

 

From: Josh Reynolds 

Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 8:57 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Four Mile Link

 

All of them! :)

 

On Aug 2, 2017 2:17 PM, "Chris Wright"  wrote:

8’ dishes are stupid-big for a 10 mile link on 18GHz. What kind of speeds are 
you trying to push?

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2017 8:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Four Mile Link

 

My 10 mile Dragonwave links had 3 footers I think.  

 

From: Rory Conaway 

Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2017 9:38 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Four Mile Link

 

Use a pair of B5cs with RD-34 dishes with RF Armor shield kits, I’d be shocked 
if you can’t get 100Mbps without disrupting anything else.

I just checked a 10 mile 18GHz link in Arizona and they wanted me to use 8’ 
dishes.

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2017 8:18 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Four Mile Link

 

Yeah, I have used 18 GHz out to 10 miles before in Utah.  

 

From: Mike Hammett 

Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2017 6:56 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Four Mile Link

 

Seems like a waste. 11 GHz is ripe for four miles. In a dry climate, 18 GHz 
would work as well.



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  
 
  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  
 
  The Brothers WISP
   
 




  _  

From: "Jay Weekley" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2017 7:53:09 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Four Mile Link

What about 6 GHz?

Adair Winter wrote:
> Forget 24, 60, 80Ghz if that's what you're thinking
> If you can't do 5 (and you probably can if you think you can pull on 
> DFS or UNII-1) than 11 and 11ghz are about your only options.
>
> On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 6:47 AM, Eric Rogers   
> > wrote:
>
> I need a link that is capable of 4.25 miles, and something over
> 100M.  I fear that 5GHz will be out because of all the used
> spectrum, but wanted to ask what are my options?
>
> Eric Rogers
>
> PDSConnect_logo-Connecting You to the World - Signature Logo
>
> www.pdsconnect.me 
>
> (317) 831-3000 x200   
>
>
>
>
> -- 
>
> Adair Winter
> VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
> Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071  
> C: 806.231.7180  
> http://www.amarillowireless.net 
> 
>
>
>
>  
>  _source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient> 
> Virus-free. www.avg.com 
>  
>  _source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient> 
>
>
> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Eclipse

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

The closer you are to the center, the more centered the moon will be over
the sun.   Apparently at the edges of the totality path it can be actually
easier to see certain parts of the sun's atmosphere which are going to be
hidden by the moon since the moon will not be centered over the disk.   My
understanding is that once you get far enough away from the center that
this is a benefit, the length of the total phase is so short it really
isn't worth it.

Near the center, it sounds like a bit off-center isn't a big deal.
There is a map at
http://xjubier.free.fr/en/site_pages/solar_eclipses/TSE_2017_GoogleMapFull.html?Lat=44.28306=-115.17929=11=1
which will give you the start and end times for any point on the path,
including away from the path.   It will also show you how covered the sun
will be at your location if you are outside the path.

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 7:59 AM, Matt  wrote:

> I have been wandering.  What would be the difference between if you
> are 20 miles from the dead center of the path vs 2 miles from dead
> center?  I know the duration will be slightly different but will it be
> any more appealing in any other way?
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 10:41 AM,   wrote:
> > If you are fortunate enough to be able to see the eclipse on the 21st,
> low
> > cost optical filters can be made out of a double layer of aluminized
> Mylar
> > space blankets.
> >
> > $1.99, cut up many strips and  you have your viewing glasses and dozens
> to
> > give away.
> >
> > And of course you don’t need any eye protection during totality.
>



-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

[chuck]

It does not take that long to get a license.  

The frequency coordinator can clear a pair in a day if there is a pair to be 
had.  

Once they find you some freqs, if you are on a short time line, order the 
radios and antennas.

I would risk firing them up and aiming them before you get the PCN clearance as 
the frequency coordinators are pretty danged good.  Low chance of harming 
someone else.  I would not leave them on for any longer than it takes to aim 
them.  

The absolutely safe way of doing it is to give the rest of the world the 30 
days to respond to the PCN stuff.
Then if no objections buy the radios and antennas.  
Then file with the FCC.  
Then install and aim and operate.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

filed or approved?

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Hardy, Tim  wrote:

  There is no authority to operate until the applications have been filed – 
period.



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
  Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:59 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval



  Has the PCN passed with no objections? What does your coordinator say?



  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Steve Jones" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:46:37 AM
  Subject: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

  Im pretty sure the answer is an absolute no, and I know I CAN do it without 
likely being caught.



  If we have the gear on hand and are just waiting on the FCC, I know we can 
physically install the radios, its just storage at height at that point, but 
can we turn it on long enough to do fine alignment?

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

[Jeff Evans]

Not worth the risk of the fine or reputation building for others who are doing 
it correctly.  Don't give the FCC a reason to Target WISPS.


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
 Original message From: Steve Jones  
Date: 8/8/17  11:46 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 
installing licensed link before approval 
Im pretty sure the answer is an absolute no, and I know I CAN do it without 
likely being caught.
If we have the gear on hand and are just waiting on the FCC, I know we can 
physically install the radios, its just storage at height at that point, but 
can we turn it on long enough to do fine alignment?

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

[Steve Jones]

filed or approved?

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Hardy, Tim  wrote:

> There is no authority to operate until the applications have been filed –
> period.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:59 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
>
>
>
> Has the PCN passed with no objections? What does your coordinator say?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:46:37 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
>
> Im pretty sure the answer is an absolute no, and I know I CAN do it
> without likely being caught.
>
>
>
> If we have the gear on hand and are just waiting on the FCC, I know we can
> physically install the radios, its just storage at height at that point,
> but can we turn it on long enough to do fine alignment?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

[Mike Hammett]

So then coordinate, file, build? It doesn't seem like a big step to file the 
application immediately after the PCN period is up and then build. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Tim Hardy"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 11:01:06 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval 



There is no authority to operate until the applications have been filed – 
period. 



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:59 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval 


Has the PCN passed with no objections? What does your coordinator say? 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -


From: "Steve Jones" < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:46:37 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval 

Im pretty sure the answer is an absolute no, and I know I CAN do it without 
likely being caught. 



If we have the gear on hand and are just waiting on the FCC, I know we can 
physically install the radios, its just storage at height at that point, but 
can we turn it on long enough to do fine alignment? 

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

[Hardy, Tim]

There is no authority to operate until the applications have been filed – 
period.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

Has the PCN passed with no objections? What does your coordinator say?


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From: "Steve Jones" 
>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:46:37 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
Im pretty sure the answer is an absolute no, and I know I CAN do it without 
likely being caught.

If we have the gear on hand and are just waiting on the FCC, I know we can 
physically install the radios, its just storage at height at that point, but 
can we turn it on long enough to do fine alignment?

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

[Mike Hammett]

Has the PCN passed with no objections? What does your coordinator say? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Steve Jones"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:46:37 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval 


Im pretty sure the answer is an absolute no, and I know I CAN do it without 
likely being caught. 


If we have the gear on hand and are just waiting on the FCC, I know we can 
physically install the radios, its just storage at height at that point, but 
can we turn it on long enough to do fine alignment? 

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

[Adam Moffett]

I'm sure you wouldn't be the first one.


-- Original Message --
From: "Steve Jones" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 8/8/2017 11:46:37 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

Im pretty sure the answer is an absolute no, and I know I CAN do it 
without likely being caught.


If we have the gear on hand and are just waiting on the FCC, I know we 
can physically install the radios, its just storage at height at that 
point, but can we turn it on long enough to do fine alignment?

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

[Matt Hoppes]

Why did you ask this question?

Of course not...

Now... go and do what seems right.

On 8/8/17 11:46 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

Im pretty sure the answer is an absolute no, and I know I CAN do it
without likely being caught.

If we have the gear on hand and are just waiting on the FCC, I know we
can physically install the radios, its just storage at height at that
point, but can we turn it on long enough to do fine alignment?

Re: [AFMUG] ubnt_users@wispa

[Steve Jones]

did I hear trolling?

On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 5:15 PM, Jerry Head 
wrote:

> I think Dave is just being trolled, him being such an unremittent
> Moto/Cambium apologist.
>
> On 8/7/2017 2:53 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> I certainly don’t mind if more join our party, as long as they behave
> themselves...
>
> *From:* Joe Novak
> *Sent:* Monday, August 07, 2017 1:50 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ubnt_users@wispa
>
> Apparently the entire world is considering how many hits the thread
> had this morning. Trina has been helping resolve this, from what I know.
>
>
>
>
> Joe
>
> On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Dave  wrote:
>
>> Is anyone else getting emails from the ubnt_users List when they never
>> opted to be on the list??
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>
>
>
>

[AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

[Steve Jones]

Im pretty sure the answer is an absolute no, and I know I CAN do it without
likely being caught.

If we have the gear on hand and are just waiting on the FCC, I know we can
physically install the radios, its just storage at height at that point,
but can we turn it on long enough to do fine alignment?

Re: [AFMUG] Four Mile Link

[chuck]

.18 degree beamwidth.  Can you imagine aiming .18 degrees, tighter actually as 
that is the HPBW.  Most of us like to be down no more than a half dB from peak 
when aiming.  That is .08 degrees on this dish.  

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 8:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Four Mile Link

All of them! :)

On Aug 2, 2017 2:17 PM, "Chris Wright"  wrote:

  8’ dishes are stupid-big for a 10 mile link on 18GHz. What kind of speeds are 
you trying to push?



  Chris Wright

  Network Administrator



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2017 8:49 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Four Mile Link



  My 10 mile Dragonwave links had 3 footers I think.  



  From: Rory Conaway 

  Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2017 9:38 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Four Mile Link



  Use a pair of B5cs with RD-34 dishes with RF Armor shield kits, I’d be 
shocked if you can’t get 100Mbps without disrupting anything else.

  I just checked a 10 mile 18GHz link in Arizona and they wanted me to use 8’ 
dishes.



  Rory



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2017 8:18 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Four Mile Link



  Yeah, I have used 18 GHz out to 10 miles before in Utah.  



  From: Mike Hammett 

  Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2017 6:56 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Four Mile Link



  Seems like a waste. 11 GHz is ripe for four miles. In a dry climate, 18 GHz 
would work as well.



  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Jay Weekley" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2017 7:53:09 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Four Mile Link

  What about 6 GHz?

  Adair Winter wrote:
  > Forget 24, 60, 80Ghz if that's what you're thinking
  > If you can't do 5 (and you probably can if you think you can pull on 
  > DFS or UNII-1) than 11 and 11ghz are about your only options.
  >
  > On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 6:47 AM, Eric Rogers  > wrote:
  >
  > I need a link that is capable of 4.25 miles, and something over
  > 100M.  I fear that 5GHz will be out because of all the used
  > spectrum, but wanted to ask what are my options?
  >
  > Eric Rogers
  >
  > PDSConnect_logo-Connecting You to the World - Signature Logo
  >
  > www.pdsconnect.me 
  >
  > (317) 831-3000 x200 
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > -- 
  >
  > Adair Winter
  > VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
  > Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071
  > C: 806.231.7180
  > http://www.amarillowireless.net 
  > 
  >
  >
  >
  > 

 
  > Virus-free. www.avg.com 
  > 

 
  >
  >
  > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

Re: [AFMUG] Four Mile Link

[Josh Reynolds]

All of them! :)

On Aug 2, 2017 2:17 PM, "Chris Wright"  wrote:

> 8’ dishes are stupid-big for a 10 mile link on 18GHz. What kind of speeds
> are you trying to push?
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 02, 2017 8:49 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Four Mile Link
>
>
>
> My 10 mile Dragonwave links had 3 footers I think.
>
>
>
> *From:* Rory Conaway
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 02, 2017 9:38 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Four Mile Link
>
>
>
> Use a pair of B5cs with RD-34 dishes with RF Armor shield kits, I’d be
> shocked if you can’t get 100Mbps without disrupting anything else.
>
> I just checked a 10 mile 18GHz link in Arizona and they wanted me to use
> 8’ dishes.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 2, 2017 8:18 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Four Mile Link
>
>
>
> Yeah, I have used 18 GHz out to 10 miles before in Utah.
>
>
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 02, 2017 6:56 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Four Mile Link
>
>
>
> Seems like a waste. 11 GHz is ripe for four miles. In a dry climate, 18
> GHz would work as well.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Jay Weekley" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, August 2, 2017 7:53:09 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Four Mile Link
>
> What about 6 GHz?
>
> Adair Winter wrote:
> > Forget 24, 60, 80Ghz if that's what you're thinking
> > If you can't do 5 (and you probably can if you think you can pull on
> > DFS or UNII-1) than 11 and 11ghz are about your only options.
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 6:47 AM, Eric Rogers  >  >> wrote:
> >
> > I need a link that is capable of 4.25 miles, and something over
> > 100M.  I fear that 5GHz will be out because of all the used
> > spectrum, but wanted to ask what are my options?
> >
> > Eric Rogers
> >
> > PDSConnect_logo-Connecting You to the World - Signature Logo
> >
> > www.pdsconnect.me 
> >
> > (317) 831-3000 x200 <(317)%20831-3000>  <%28317%29%20831-3000>>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Adair Winter
> > VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
> > Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 <(806)%20316-5071>
> > C: 806.231.7180 <(806)%20231-7180>
> > http://www.amarillowireless.net 
> > 
> >
> >
> >
> >  utm_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient>
> > Virus-free. www.avg.com
> >  utm_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient>
> >
> >
> > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Eclipse

[Chuck McCown]

I don't know the width of totality but I read that it lasts a few seconds 
longer if you are off to the side a bit.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 8, 2017, at 7:59 AM, Matt  wrote:
> 
> I have been wandering.  What would be the difference between if you
> are 20 miles from the dead center of the path vs 2 miles from dead
> center?  I know the duration will be slightly different but will it be
> any more appealing in any other way?
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 10:41 AM,   wrote:
>> If you are fortunate enough to be able to see the eclipse on the 21st, low
>> cost optical filters can be made out of a double layer of aluminized Mylar
>> space blankets.
>> 
>> $1.99, cut up many strips and  you have your viewing glasses and dozens to
>> give away.
>> 
>> And of course you don’t need any eye protection during totality.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Eclipse

[Matt]

I have been wandering.  What would be the difference between if you
are 20 miles from the dead center of the path vs 2 miles from dead
center?  I know the duration will be slightly different but will it be
any more appealing in any other way?


On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 10:41 AM,   wrote:
> If you are fortunate enough to be able to see the eclipse on the 21st, low
> cost optical filters can be made out of a double layer of aluminized Mylar
> space blankets.
>
> $1.99, cut up many strips and  you have your viewing glasses and dozens to
> give away.
>
> And of course you don’t need any eye protection during totality.

Re: [AFMUG] Four Mile Link

[Rory Conaway]

We have found in that situation, that overbuilding the antennas works pretty 
well.  Jirous/Ubiquiti RD-34 with RF Armor shield kits, etc…   will give you 
DFS and cut the noise down significantly.  There seems to be a huge difference 
between the RD-30’s and RD-34’s in this area.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adair Winter
Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2017 5:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Four Mile Link

certainly. but seems a little waste full. that's really the sweet spot for 18

On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 7:53 AM, Jay Weekley 
> wrote:
What about 6 GHz?

Adair Winter wrote:
Forget 24, 60, 80Ghz if that's what you're thinking
If you can't do 5 (and you probably can if you think you can pull on DFS or 
UNII-1) than 11 and 11ghz are about your only options.

On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 6:47 AM, Eric Rogers 
 
>> wrote:

I need a link that is capable of 4.25 miles, and something over
100M.  I fear that 5GHz will be out because of all the used
spectrum, but wanted to ask what are my options?

Eric Rogers

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