Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

[Cameron Crum]

They'd all be on trial for their treatment of women by now. That is a
bygone era.

On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 10:18 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> isnt that a broads only oceans flick? tsk tsk tsk
> I miss the real rat pack, I wish we had a rat pack today
>
> On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 12:46 PM  wrote:
>
>> MoviePass makes you send a photo of your ticket now.
>>
>> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
>> *Sent:* Saturday, June 9, 2018 9:20 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review
>>
>>
>> Saw Hotel Artemis last night I felt it needed another hour of
>> storyline.
>>
>> Have not made it to Ocean's 8 yet... my MoviePass is getting a good
>> workout though
>>
>> Sent from my smartphone
>>
>> - Reply message -
>> From: "Jaime Solorza" 
>> To: "Animal Farm" 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review
>> Date: Sat, Jun 9, 2018 8:10 PM
>>
>> We watched Death Wish with Bruce Willis at homeit's okay
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 9, 2018, 7:02 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> Oceans 8
>>>
>>> Meh
>>>
>>> OK, Movie Pass made me not regret paying for it.
>>> Just was not funny like the other Ocean movies.
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] 25 kM unlicensed

[Cameron Crum]

Probably the AF

On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 12:43 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Which is better, Rocket 5AC + RocketDish LW
> or
> AF5X + AF-5G34-S45
>
> ?
>
> Or some other brand.  Hauling out PTP to a customer.  Like to keep the
> bandwidth up but they are not currently asking for more than 100 Mbps.
>

Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design

[Cameron Crum]

You'd be surprised. A lot of them travel with their own cable modems and
wifi routers. But you could always rent them one, or set up each ONT with a
small wifi router already and give them a choice.

On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 10:05 AM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Probably zero.
>
>
> On Thursday, May 31, 2018,  wrote:
>
>> How many RV travelers are set up for ethernet vs WiFi?
>>
>> *From:* Jason McKemie
>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 31, 2018 6:42 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design
>>
>> I'd do fiber as well, seems like that many long-run cat5/6 connections
>> could be problematic.
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 30, 2018, Cameron Crum  wrote:
>>
>>> Why run ethernet? This seems ideal for fiber. Put a small box for the
>>> ONT on the same pole as the electrical hookup with about 20 ft of ethernet
>>> cable so they can drag it through a window and call it a day. Rent them a
>>> cheap router if they want wifi or mount a small loco ac or something
>>> running as a low powered AP and alternate frequencies every 3 or 4 spaces.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 2:57 PM, Colin Stanners 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Be careful of selling service over Wi-FI... customers buy "signal
>>>> boosters" that run their own DHCP server, or they see a very strong signal
>>>> to their booster and complain that their service sucks (don't understand
>>>> that the signal from the booster to your network is low). And there's
>>>> interference from mobile hotspots etc
>>>>
>>>> I would do like Adam says, run ethernet lines everywhere with
>>>> outdoor-grade ethernet connection boxes (make sure to have a surge
>>>> protector on each line as it returns to your switch). You can try offering
>>>> some service over wifi but tell customers that if they want reliable speeds
>>>> they need to hardwire.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 1:07 PM, castarritt 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We were approached by a current subscriber who is building an RV park
>>>>> with around ~100 pads, and he wants us to offer service to his tenants.
>>>>> This isn't the typical situation where we would sell service to the RV
>>>>> park, and they handle distributing it to their customers.  He wants to
>>>>> avoid providing wi-fi himself, and will instead let us charge every client
>>>>> that wants service separately.  Also, this isn't a campground; his 
>>>>> shortest
>>>>> lease term will be monthly.
>>>>>
>>>>> While the park is under construction, he is willing to let us lay
>>>>> conduit, so we could provide wired service to each pad if we wanted to.
>>>>> Alternatively, we could just setup a bunch of wi-fi APs.  One potential
>>>>> complication is that we have a fairly busy cluster of 5g PMP450s a couple
>>>>> hundred yards from this RV park, so while wired service could be more
>>>>> reliable for the park tenants, the potential for 100 customer wi-fi 
>>>>> routers
>>>>> we can't control operating within sight of our PMP450 POP sounds like the
>>>>> stuff of nightmares.
>>>>>
>>>>> We are leaning more towards a wi-fi option due to better control over
>>>>> spectrum, as well as avoiding maintenance of 100 outdoor ethernet ports
>>>>> that the customers would be plugging into, but we are open to suggestions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, assuming wi-fi is the correct answer, does anyone have any
>>>>> equipment recommendations?  The park is about 400' by 900'.  I was looking
>>>>> at either doing a whole bunch of low end APs, or maybe ~8 sectors.  We
>>>>> haven't used any of the Cambium wi-fi gear yet, but the cnPilot E501S 
>>>>> looks
>>>>> interesting.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris Starritt
>>>>> Western Broadband
>>>>> supp...@ecpi.com
>>>>> 512-257-1077
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design

[Cameron Crum]

Aren't they running power for RVs to each space, especially if these are
long term rentals?

On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 3:34 PM, Colin Stanners  wrote:

> ONT+NID takes space, also where do you get power for the ONT? Using 120V
> on the same pole is an option but I'd prefer not rely directly on
> (sometimes questionable) 120V power in such places, or putting a
> PoE-powered ONT.
>
> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 3:29 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:
>
>> Why run ethernet? This seems ideal for fiber. Put a small box for the ONT
>> on the same pole as the electrical hookup with about 20 ft of ethernet
>> cable so they can drag it through a window and call it a day. Rent them a
>> cheap router if they want wifi or mount a small loco ac or something
>> running as a low powered AP and alternate frequencies every 3 or 4 spaces.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 2:57 PM, Colin Stanners 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Be careful of selling service over Wi-FI... customers buy "signal
>>> boosters" that run their own DHCP server, or they see a very strong signal
>>> to their booster and complain that their service sucks (don't understand
>>> that the signal from the booster to your network is low). And there's
>>> interference from mobile hotspots etc
>>>
>>> I would do like Adam says, run ethernet lines everywhere with
>>> outdoor-grade ethernet connection boxes (make sure to have a surge
>>> protector on each line as it returns to your switch). You can try offering
>>> some service over wifi but tell customers that if they want reliable speeds
>>> they need to hardwire.
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 1:07 PM, castarritt 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> We were approached by a current subscriber who is building an RV park
>>>> with around ~100 pads, and he wants us to offer service to his tenants.
>>>> This isn't the typical situation where we would sell service to the RV
>>>> park, and they handle distributing it to their customers.  He wants to
>>>> avoid providing wi-fi himself, and will instead let us charge every client
>>>> that wants service separately.  Also, this isn't a campground; his shortest
>>>> lease term will be monthly.
>>>>
>>>> While the park is under construction, he is willing to let us lay
>>>> conduit, so we could provide wired service to each pad if we wanted to.
>>>> Alternatively, we could just setup a bunch of wi-fi APs.  One potential
>>>> complication is that we have a fairly busy cluster of 5g PMP450s a couple
>>>> hundred yards from this RV park, so while wired service could be more
>>>> reliable for the park tenants, the potential for 100 customer wi-fi routers
>>>> we can't control operating within sight of our PMP450 POP sounds like the
>>>> stuff of nightmares.
>>>>
>>>> We are leaning more towards a wi-fi option due to better control over
>>>> spectrum, as well as avoiding maintenance of 100 outdoor ethernet ports
>>>> that the customers would be plugging into, but we are open to suggestions.
>>>>
>>>> Also, assuming wi-fi is the correct answer, does anyone have any
>>>> equipment recommendations?  The park is about 400' by 900'.  I was looking
>>>> at either doing a whole bunch of low end APs, or maybe ~8 sectors.  We
>>>> haven't used any of the Cambium wi-fi gear yet, but the cnPilot E501S looks
>>>> interesting.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>>
>>>> Chris Starritt
>>>> Western Broadband
>>>> supp...@ecpi.com
>>>> 512-257-1077
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design

[Cameron Crum]

Why run ethernet? This seems ideal for fiber. Put a small box for the ONT
on the same pole as the electrical hookup with about 20 ft of ethernet
cable so they can drag it through a window and call it a day. Rent them a
cheap router if they want wifi or mount a small loco ac or something
running as a low powered AP and alternate frequencies every 3 or 4 spaces.




On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 2:57 PM, Colin Stanners  wrote:

> Be careful of selling service over Wi-FI... customers buy "signal
> boosters" that run their own DHCP server, or they see a very strong signal
> to their booster and complain that their service sucks (don't understand
> that the signal from the booster to your network is low). And there's
> interference from mobile hotspots etc
>
> I would do like Adam says, run ethernet lines everywhere with
> outdoor-grade ethernet connection boxes (make sure to have a surge
> protector on each line as it returns to your switch). You can try offering
> some service over wifi but tell customers that if they want reliable speeds
> they need to hardwire.
>
> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 1:07 PM, castarritt  wrote:
>
>> We were approached by a current subscriber who is building an RV park
>> with around ~100 pads, and he wants us to offer service to his tenants.
>> This isn't the typical situation where we would sell service to the RV
>> park, and they handle distributing it to their customers.  He wants to
>> avoid providing wi-fi himself, and will instead let us charge every client
>> that wants service separately.  Also, this isn't a campground; his shortest
>> lease term will be monthly.
>>
>> While the park is under construction, he is willing to let us lay
>> conduit, so we could provide wired service to each pad if we wanted to.
>> Alternatively, we could just setup a bunch of wi-fi APs.  One potential
>> complication is that we have a fairly busy cluster of 5g PMP450s a couple
>> hundred yards from this RV park, so while wired service could be more
>> reliable for the park tenants, the potential for 100 customer wi-fi routers
>> we can't control operating within sight of our PMP450 POP sounds like the
>> stuff of nightmares.
>>
>> We are leaning more towards a wi-fi option due to better control over
>> spectrum, as well as avoiding maintenance of 100 outdoor ethernet ports
>> that the customers would be plugging into, but we are open to suggestions.
>>
>> Also, assuming wi-fi is the correct answer, does anyone have any
>> equipment recommendations?  The park is about 400' by 900'.  I was looking
>> at either doing a whole bunch of low end APs, or maybe ~8 sectors.  We
>> haven't used any of the Cambium wi-fi gear yet, but the cnPilot E501S looks
>> interesting.
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Chris Starritt
>> Western Broadband
>> supp...@ecpi.com
>> 512-257-1077
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT such a deal

[Cameron Crum]

Very nice!

On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 2:18 PM,  wrote:

> My #2 son just got accepted to grad school, government will pay for school
> and keep his payroll running while he is in school.  (He is an EE at Hill
> Air force Base).  Such a good deal.  I am proud and jealous all at the same
> time.
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT One for the borg

[Cameron Crum]

What might be cool though is to have a geo-location feature on an app that
just opens the gate when a recognized device pulls into the driveway. Is
that too advanced?

On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 10:50 AM, Larry Smith  wrote:

> Because when you get a Borg answer it is "been there done that"
> kind of answer whereas when you google it is just open house.
>
> --
> Larry Smith
> lesm...@ecsis.net
>
> On Mon April 16 2018 10:47, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> > So, I google storage unit software tons of it out there.  Wonder why
> my
> > first instinct is to ask the Borg rather than the google...
> >
> > From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2018 9:40 AM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: [AFMUG] OT One for the borg
> >
> > Thinking of arranging about 50 conex containers on some commercial land I
> > own and renting them out for storage. I want software where they will go
> > online, see vacancies, rent, auto pay etc.  Totally hands off.  Even
> like a
> > phone app to open the gate for them when they want to get into the place.
> >
> > Hate to develop code for this.  It has to exist out in the world
> > somewhere...
> >
> > Any ideas.
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Fry sauce

[Cameron Crum]

I remember it well

On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 10:05 AM,  wrote:

> From the Salt Lake Tribune this morning:
>
>
> On Wednesday, Heinz asked American condiment lovers to decide— through a
> Twitter poll — if it should start selling Mayochup, a premade blend of
> mayonnaise and ketchup, in the United States. (According to the Evening
> Standard, a British newspaper, it’s been sold in Persian Gulf countries,
> like Dubai, for a couple of years.) The Twitter feed for Heinz
> Ketchup(@HeinzKetchup_US) posted this poll Wednesday: “Want #mayochup in
> stores? 500,000 votes for “yes” and we’ll release it to you saucy
> Americans.”
>
> Less than 24 hours after the poll was posted, more than 470,000 people had
> voted— with 55 percent approving of the product and 45 percent saying “Nah,
> I’ll make my own.”
>
> As anyone with a connection to Utah and its signature foods knows, the
> founder of Arctic Circle restaurants created this pink concoction in the
> 1950s as an alternative dipping sauce for french fries. Since then, almost
> every Utah restaurant has developed its own version using ketchup and
> mayonnaise— and sometimes pickle relish and spices.
>
> While huge in Utah, fry sauce remains mostly a mystery outside the state.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher

[Cameron Crum]

Guy says material cost is high..??? Looks like a couple pieces of 1 " or 1
1/2" steel tubing with some steel plate welded on. Some welding and
grinding and voila. I bet the whole shebang is less than $40 as a one-off.

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 8:11 AM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> We have a couple of those, i absolutely hate them. Too many rocks around
> here. They only work well in spring when the soil id saturated and the sod
> is still loose
>
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 8:06 AM Brian Webster 
> wrote:
>
>> I thought this device looked interesting. Soil conditions obviously make
>> a difference in how well it works. Kind of like the edger but modified for
>> the wire purpose and more rugged. Chuck could probably build and sell these
>> for everyone pretty reasonable or just go to your local welder and have
>> them make one for you.
>>
>>
>>
>> https://youtu.be/kNqOXul-GOQ
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank You,
>>
>> Brian Webster
>>
>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>>
>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 11, 2018 5:33 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher
>>
>>
>>
>> Ive cut enough sod and hand trenched all im going to do anymore. Same
>> reason i bought a compactor and quit hand tamping lime
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 2:34 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>
>> Then there's the manual version:
>>
>> T-Handle Trench Shovel
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> I've used a flat spade.  Stab into ground, jump on it so it goes all the
>> way in, pull it out, move down a few inches, jump on it again.  You end up
>> with a skinny slot.  Shove cable into the slot, stomp your boots on it to
>> close the slot back up.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>>
>> From: "Adam Moffett" 
>>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>>
>> Sent: 4/11/2018 3:29:17 PM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher
>>
>>
>>
>> Yeah I was gonna say an edger is about the cheapest thing.
>>
>> Only goes a few inches deep, but that's all you need.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>>
>> From: "Jon Lee" 
>>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>>
>> Sent: 4/11/2018 1:25:27 PM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher
>>
>>
>>
>> Don't know if this would apply, but in the past I have used a sidewalk
>> edger to install an "Invisible Fence" for dogs.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Jon
>>
>> Off-Grid Networks
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 10:17 AM, David Coudron <
>> david.coud...@advantenon.com> wrote:
>>
>> We have been looking for something better as well and found the one you
>> mentioned.  There are some pretty neat walk behind products out there too,
>> but more money and not very convenient.   Today we use lawn edgers, which
>> only get the cable down about 1.5”.   It seems to be far enough, but would
>> like it to be a little deeper.   We also use an inhouse built mini-plow
>> device that goes behind a lawn mower or 4 wheeler.   That works pretty
>> good, but is not convenient as we have to pull to the site on a trailer.
>> However, we can plow in 300 ft in about 10 minutes with that.  It has a
>> spool holder and everything. .  The shovel works, but is painfully slow and
>> when the grass is really dry, it kills the grass as it dries out the sod
>> that was flipped over.
>>
>>
>>
>> For right now we are batching up the work and pulling a 4-wheeler to the
>> site with the mini-plow, or if it is a one off situation, we use the hand
>> held lawn edger.
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/BLACK-DECKER-LE750-Landscape-
>> Trencher/dp/B4DTNH?SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q=
>> duckduckgo-ffab-20=xm2=2025=165953&
>> creativeASIN=B4DTNH
>>
>>
>>
>> A sawsall based product or similar would be ideal as the tech could
>> always have it with them.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> David Coudron
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 11, 2018 12:10 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hg04CmggTM
>>
>> like this
>>
>> but not 2 grand
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 12:01 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>> A shovel? Push the shovel down, flip the grass on it's top. Continue for
>> length of run. Lay cable. Flip grass back over. Push down with foot.
>>
>>
>>
>> You can't even tell the grass was disturbed when done
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 11:59 AM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>> For these residential deals, we occasionally lose out on new customers
>> because they dont want to trench 

Re: [AFMUG] Rfelements

[Cameron Crum]

I agree with Chuck here. I personally don't like antennas spec'd at 6dB
beamwidth.

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 10:43 AM,  wrote:

> 6 dB == half the range for an antenna if you are presuming a certain fade
> margin.  .
>
> Path loss = 96.6 + 20 log F + 20 log D
> F is frequency in GHz, D is distance in Miles.
>
> If you say 1 GHz (for simplification) and 1 Mile path loss is 96.6 dB:
>
> At two miles it is 102.62 dB.
>
> At 3 dB down the range has decreased by 70%
>
> I think a beamwidth showing 70% to 100% range is more useful and honest
> than 50% to 100%.
> In other words, 3 dB down in receiver voltage is within the normal daily
> fluctuations.
> Not going to make or break a connection.
>
> 6 dB down is significant and could cause trouble.
>
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 11, 2018 9:29 AM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rfelements
>
> I'm not sure if the RF Elements horns are rated at 3db or 6db, but I know
> RF Elements list the beamwidth at both points for their normal sectors
> (which is the best way to do it, if you ask me). It seems to be a lot more
> common these days to use the 6db beamwidth for marketing purposes, but I
> think there are actually some valid reasons for doing that - if the
> manufacturer is recommended that you use antennas that are 90 degrees at
> -6db, rather than -3db for an ABAB deployment, for example (which is the
> case, with some of them, if I remember correctly), then it makes sense to
> sell those as a 90 degree antenna, so that the people that don't bother to
> check things like that don't buy the wrong antenna.
>
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 10:21 AM,  wrote:
>
>> Speaking generally here, not about this product specifically:
>>
>>
>> A 30 is a 30 at some dB down from peak.  Most reputable antenna
>> manufacturers cite the beamwidth at the 3 dB down points on each side of
>> the main lobe.  That is called HPBW or half power beam width.
>>
>> Some go out farther to the 6 dB point to make their beam width seem wider
>> than their competitors.  Personally I believe that is false advertising.
>> But I am sure they do not share my opinion.
>>
>> Look at the type of beamwidth.  Should state how many dB down somewhere
>> on the spec sheet.
>>
>> Other than that, horn antennas are very well characterized.  They are
>> used as lab standard calibration antennas.  Other than the point where they
>> choose to specify the beamwidth I think you can totally trust the specs.
>>
>> *From:* Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 11, 2018 9:01 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rfelements
>>
>> so if im getting the right feel, here, I CAN trust these spec sheets? a
>> 30 is actually 30 and not 90? FB is real?
>> Ive had two in play on EPMP1000 for some time but i keep pulling them and
>> moving them elsewhere because of changes, so Ive never had one up long
>> enough to see. I have use case for narrower patterns and more APs at some
>> sites because the uplinks are getting more interference than id prefer, my
>> only other option is to add the secondary antenna on the 2000, im not a fan
>> of adding windload with no net capacity gain
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 9:57 AM, Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> we have a substantial garbage dump
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 9:08 AM, Jaime Solorza <
>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 There's mountains near Steve's WISP footprint?

 Jaime Solorza

 On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 7:45 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> You have that the other way around. A horn would be ideal in a
> mountain area.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Sean Heskett" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, April 10, 2018 10:49:19 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Rfelements
>
> I Totally agree with josh.
>
> They have a specific purpose so if you can deploy within those
> parameters they are great.
>
> Unfortunately our area isn’t conducive to that type of deployment
> because of terrain.  In the mountains you need antennas with a wider
> vertical beam because your towers are on mtn peaks and some clients are
> same height as the tower and other 

Re: [AFMUG] ssl certs

[Cameron Crum]

ssls.com

On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 1:02 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Im no webdude is the main reason. I know alot of people use it, phishermen
> love them. Theyre "trusted, but not verified" which, to no webdude me, says
> "IT WILL BECOME UNTRUSTED". I hate godaddy, but theyre not likely to become
> untrusted, so its not something id have to deal with with little to no
> knowlege. plus I dont understand this 90 day thing
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 12:08 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> Can you use Let's Encrypt?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Monday, April 9, 2018 12:07:04 PM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] ssl certs
>>
>> Our current cert for our billing server (powercode) is about to expire.
>> For some time web browsers have been throwing up the insecure flag,
>> probably needed to update it.
>>
>> What does a guy need in a certificate these days? godaddy is where we
>> have it from, they have all kinds of options like green bar guarantee cert,
>> etc.
>>
>> I have thought about getting one thats good for more than one page, just
>> to get rid of the annoying security screen on our managment port and
>> mobile. but the wildcard cert seems more pricey than id prefer for
>> something thats just convienient rather than needed
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] usage based billing

[Cameron Crum]

The key to UBB is notification. Are you notifying them at certain
thresholds? If not then you will be supporting it forever. Does you portal
show past and current usage? Can customers choose their notification
thresholds? Even better would be breaking down the traffic by
web/video/gaming/email although I know that is more difficult unless you
are using something with DPI or if you want to write a lot of rules and/or
analyze netflow traffic, but would make it nice for the customer to see
exactly what is happening and wouldn't leave any question as to what was
causing the usage.


On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 8:01 AM, Dave  wrote:

> Lewis,
>  Yea, I know especially the issue with support on the platform now but I
> am talking to a 3rd party support element that is eager to help us with it.
> We are using freeside for this project. I mainly want to hit the high tier
> power users with a package for overage and slow down. This seems to be
> the problem area with some that just watch tv all day in UHD and kids come
> home and drag the rest of the pipe down.
> I dont use ppoe and never have. We are using DHCP-static and vlans for
> access.
> I would imagine that it wouldnt take much to implement.
> Thanks
> dave
>
>
> On 04/04/2018 01:54 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
> WellI pity you on your billing platform but I understand it. I would
> look into using RADIUS. At least when I was doing it, it was well
> supported. I can't imagine Cambium would remove the functionality when it
> already worked. You have to make a number of entries into the config to
> allow the routers and AP's to forward those packets to the RADIUS server
> without being rejected but that is a one time config. We used FreeRADIUS
> when we did it. Don't know what you are using but the feature is part of
> the RADIUS standard so I would think they would all be capable.
>
> On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 1:36 PM Dave  wrote:
>
>> Hmm, ok..
>>  We are moving everything towards radius soon anyways for a complete zero
>> touch setup down to techs using tablets for final signature and payment on
>> site.
>>  I did not think of radius pulling that data but absolutely.
>> We still use freeside for our billing CRM.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>> On 04/04/2018 11:32 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>
>> Well, Are you taking about what to use for billing? There are a few that
>> require edge boxes to monitor traffic. You could use RADIUS. We used to use
>> that. Takes a bit to get it correct but MT supports sending periodic
>> updates with byte counters to track usage. Your billing platform would have
>> to support the logic to pull it from the DB and do some if over x type
>> logic I would guess.
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 10:40 AM Dave  wrote:
>>
>> Anyone using usage based billing on their networks? If so what are you
>>> using?
>>> What is good for an all mikrotik routed network?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>
>> --
>>
>
> --
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT my afternoon

[Cameron Crum]

Alta is my favorite place. When I lived in SLC, I hit it at least 2 days
and sometimes 3  per week in the winter. Now my Mom has a house in Taos, so
I get up there a bit, but nowhere near as often.

On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 11:14 PM, Robert  wrote:

> I knew there was a reason I liked you
>
>
> On 4/3/18 7:38 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I am a ski only snob...
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Robert Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2018
>> 7:46 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT my afternoon
>> Alta!
>>
>> On 4/3/18 3:35 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus

[Cameron Crum]

Oneonta, AL always got me.

On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 1:31 PM, George Skorup 
wrote:

> Chicago -- Chee-kaw-guh, which is apparently not too far off from the
> native pronunciation and means stinky land or something like that.
>
>
> On 3/29/2018 1:02 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>
>> Shenando... not Shenando-ah, Pennsylvania
>>
>> On 3/29/18 2:00 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>
>>> Dubois Pennsylvania = Dew-Boys.  If you use the French pronunciation
>>> they'll correct you.
>>> Beethoven Street in Binghamton, NY = Beet`-uh-ven.  Apparently not a
>>> German composer.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: 3/29/2018 1:56:34 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus
>>>
>>> How about Hurricane, Utah.

 Her-a-kin

 -Original Message- From: Layne Sisk
 Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 11:54 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus

 I have 2 of them from Utah.

 Juab-  in Utah it is Jew-ab
 Tooele- in Utah it is To-ill-a

 Layne Sisk
 ServerPlus
 801.426.8283, ext 102






 -Original Message-
 From: Af  On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
 Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 12:50 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus

 It's a real town in Alabama by the way.

 Jay Weekley wrote:

> Anyone want to guess how you pronounce Ewtah?
>
> CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
>
>> Arab
>> Mobile
>> just to name a few...
>>
>>- Original Message -
>>*From:* Josh Luthman 
>>*To:* af@afmug.com 
>>*Sent:* Monday, March 26, 2018 9:17 AM
>>*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus
>>
>>Here in Ohio it's very easy to know you're not from this neck of
>>the woods (probably western third of the state)...
>>
>>It's Russia, not Russia.
>>It's Piqua, not Piqua.
>>It's Houston, not Houston.
>>It's Rio Grande, not Rio Grande.
>>
>>
>>Josh Luthman
>>Office: 937-552-2340
>>Direct: 937-552-2343
>>1100 Wayne St
>>Suite 1337
>>Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 5:33 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller
>>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>I would certainly disagree with that.  If someone does not
>>know how to pronounce our community names it would 100% tick
>>me off and clue me into knowing whomever I'm talking to is not
>>here...
>>
>>- Original Message -
>>*From:* Lewis Bergman 
>>*To:* af@afmug.com 
>>*Sent:* Sunday, March 25, 2018 5:32 AM
>>*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus
>>
>>I would say that if you want local pronunciations of words
>>you should run your open tech support.
>>
>>I don't think most people care. They are normally happy
>>just to have someone speak English that they can
>>understand. Until you get about 8000 subs I doubt you can
>>do it anywhere close to the cost that Lane can.
>>
>>On Tue, Mar 20, 2018, 3:42 PM Josh Reynolds
>>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyJXDdlD4jQ
>> 
>>
>>"IN-DE GO" :)
>>
>>On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 7:45 AM, Matt Hoppes
>>> > wrote:
>>
>>It’s In Di Go. Like the color. Not In Dee Go. Like
>>a butchered version of the six fingered man.
>>
>>On Mar 14, 2018, at 04:27, Josh Reynolds
>>>> wrote:
>>
>>That's how it's pronounced...
>>>
>>>Maybe a regional thing?
>>>
>>>On Mar 11, 2018 2:02 PM, "Matt Hoppes"
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>GTC does this too. I don’t know why it’s so
>>>hard.
>>>
>>>The company I used to work for was “Indigo
>>>Wireless”. They always say In Dee Go.
>>>
>>>On Mar 11, 2018, at 14:50, Sterling Jacobson
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] SSH or Telnet script to check when a radio/sm is up?

[Cameron Crum]

That is true, but most use a script like this or similar in a MT router (PC
BMU) to accomplish it. So even if you have one of those systems, you still
need a way to redirect people in the router. At least with this, it will be
one less step to configure when he makes the change ;)


On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 12:21 AM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> not to be that guy, but powercode, sonar, etc... they do this for you and
> redirect them to say "hey, bum, pay"
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 11:16 AM, Cameron Crum <cc...@murcevilo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> If you didn't want the redirect, you could just write a quick firewall to
>> drop all traffic from the suspended list as well, but redirecting to a
>> portal is preferable in my view.
>>
>> Cameron
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 11:09 AM, Sam Lambie <samtaos...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> thank you Cameron. I appreciate it!
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 10:04 AM, Cameron Crum <cc...@murcevilo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Here is a MT script to set up the web proxy redirect. Obviously you
>>>> will need to change the urls in the last section under /ip proxy address.
>>>> This script takes anything in the 'suspended' address list and redirects
>>>> port 80 traffic to whatever you put in place of myportal.com. You also
>>>> need to match the ip range at the bottom to whatever ip range you are
>>>> handing out to your customers. You can add as many of that last rule as you
>>>> need to cover all your ranges. As for the ssh script, it should be easy
>>>> enough to write a simple script to ssh in and launch one of these:
>>>>
>>>>  /ip firewall address-list add address=x.x.x.x list=suspended
>>>>
>>>> and to remove
>>>>
>>>> /ip firewall address-list remove [find address=x.x.x.x]
>>>>
>>>> The web proxy set up script is this (only run this one time, then move
>>>> all the rules to the top of their respective firewall sections):
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> add action=accept chain=input comment=\
>>>> "Allow Proxy - redirect suspended users - this and then next five
>>>> rules should be at the top of the filter list" disabled=no dst-port=16099 \
>>>> protocol=tcp
>>>> add action=jump chain=forward disabled=no jump-target=Suspended \
>>>> src-address-list=suspended
>>>> add action=accept chain=Suspended disabled=no dst-port=443 protocol=tcp
>>>> add action=accept chain=Suspended disabled=no  \
>>>> dst-port=53 protocol=udp
>>>> add action=log chain=Suspended disabled=no
>>>> dst-address-list=!PaymentGateway limit=5/1m,10 log-prefix=""
>>>> add action=reject chain=Suspended disabled=no reject-with=\
>>>> icmp-admin-prohibited
>>>>
>>>> /ip firewall nat
>>>> add action=redirect chain=dstnat comment="Redirect Nat Rule for suspend
>>>> users - put this rule at the top of the list " disabled=no dst-port=80 \
>>>> protocol=tcp src-address-list=suspended to-ports=16099
>>>>
>>>> /ip proxy
>>>> set always-from-cache=no cache-administrator=webmaster cache-hit-dscp=4
>>>> cache-on-disk=no enabled=\
>>>> yes max-cache-size=none max-client-connections=600
>>>> max-fresh-time=3d max-server-connections=\
>>>> 600 parent-proxy=0.0.0.0 parent-proxy-port=0 port=16099
>>>> serialize-connections=no src-address=\
>>>> 0.0.0.0
>>>> /ip proxy access
>>>> add action=allow disabled=no dst-host=mywebsite.com
>>>> add action=allow disabled=no dst-host=www.mywebsite.com
>>>> add action=deny disabled=no redirect-to=myportal.com src-address=\
>>>> x.x.x.x/24
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 10:53 AM, Sam Lambie <samtaos...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We are in the the process of going to MT. But now, plain ole Linksys
>>>>> e2500's.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 9:51 AM, Cameron Crum <cc...@murcevilo.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you using MT routers? I can show you a script to ssh to the
>>>>>> router and move him to an address list that either redirects him through 
>>>>>> a
&

Re: [AFMUG] SSH or Telnet script to check when a radio/sm is up?

[Cameron Crum]

If you didn't want the redirect, you could just write a quick firewall to
drop all traffic from the suspended list as well, but redirecting to a
portal is preferable in my view.

Cameron

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 11:09 AM, Sam Lambie <samtaos...@gmail.com> wrote:

> thank you Cameron. I appreciate it!
>
> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 10:04 AM, Cameron Crum <cc...@murcevilo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Here is a MT script to set up the web proxy redirect. Obviously you will
>> need to change the urls in the last section under /ip proxy address. This
>> script takes anything in the 'suspended' address list and redirects port 80
>> traffic to whatever you put in place of myportal.com. You also need to
>> match the ip range at the bottom to whatever ip range you are handing out
>> to your customers. You can add as many of that last rule as you need to
>> cover all your ranges. As for the ssh script, it should be easy enough to
>> write a simple script to ssh in and launch one of these:
>>
>>  /ip firewall address-list add address=x.x.x.x list=suspended
>>
>> and to remove
>>
>> /ip firewall address-list remove [find address=x.x.x.x]
>>
>> The web proxy set up script is this (only run this one time, then move
>> all the rules to the top of their respective firewall sections):
>>
>>
>> add action=accept chain=input comment=\
>> "Allow Proxy - redirect suspended users - this and then next five
>> rules should be at the top of the filter list" disabled=no dst-port=16099 \
>> protocol=tcp
>> add action=jump chain=forward disabled=no jump-target=Suspended \
>> src-address-list=suspended
>> add action=accept chain=Suspended disabled=no dst-port=443 protocol=tcp
>> add action=accept chain=Suspended disabled=no  \
>> dst-port=53 protocol=udp
>> add action=log chain=Suspended disabled=no dst-address-list=!PaymentGateway
>> limit=5/1m,10 log-prefix=""
>> add action=reject chain=Suspended disabled=no reject-with=\
>> icmp-admin-prohibited
>>
>> /ip firewall nat
>> add action=redirect chain=dstnat comment="Redirect Nat Rule for suspend
>> users - put this rule at the top of the list " disabled=no dst-port=80 \
>> protocol=tcp src-address-list=suspended to-ports=16099
>>
>> /ip proxy
>> set always-from-cache=no cache-administrator=webmaster cache-hit-dscp=4
>> cache-on-disk=no enabled=\
>> yes max-cache-size=none max-client-connections=600 max-fresh-time=3d
>> max-server-connections=\
>> 600 parent-proxy=0.0.0.0 parent-proxy-port=0 port=16099
>> serialize-connections=no src-address=\
>> 0.0.0.0
>> /ip proxy access
>> add action=allow disabled=no dst-host=mywebsite.com
>> add action=allow disabled=no dst-host=www.mywebsite.com
>> add action=deny disabled=no redirect-to=myportal.com src-address=\
>> x.x.x.x/24
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 10:53 AM, Sam Lambie <samtaos...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We are in the the process of going to MT. But now, plain ole Linksys
>>> e2500's.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 9:51 AM, Cameron Crum <cc...@murcevilo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Are you using MT routers? I can show you a script to ssh to the router
>>>> and move him to an address list that either redirects him through a web
>>>> proxy or just drops all traffic.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 10:36 AM, Sam Lambie <samtaos...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Has anyone used a script to check say every 5 minutes when an SM is up
>>>>> and make changes to it? If so, got an example?
>>>>>
>>>>> Ideally, I want to turn off the ethernet interface of the radio as the
>>>>> customer is a bum, but he keeps weird hours an I don't want to be glued to
>>>>> my seat checking when he is up.
>>>>> I know that I could just block is WAN IP, but this is something I am
>>>>> interested in and have never done.
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Sam
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> --
>>>>> *Sam Lambie*
>>>>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>>>>> 575-758-7598 <(575)%20758-7598> Office
>>>>> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>> *Sam Lambie*
>>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>>> 575-758-7598 <(575)%20758-7598> Office
>>> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 <(575)%20758-7598> Office
> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>
>

Re: [AFMUG] SSH or Telnet script to check when a radio/sm is up?

[Cameron Crum]

Here is a MT script to set up the web proxy redirect. Obviously you will
need to change the urls in the last section under /ip proxy address. This
script takes anything in the 'suspended' address list and redirects port 80
traffic to whatever you put in place of myportal.com. You also need to
match the ip range at the bottom to whatever ip range you are handing out
to your customers. You can add as many of that last rule as you need to
cover all your ranges. As for the ssh script, it should be easy enough to
write a simple script to ssh in and launch one of these:

 /ip firewall address-list add address=x.x.x.x list=suspended

and to remove

/ip firewall address-list remove [find address=x.x.x.x]

The web proxy set up script is this (only run this one time, then move all
the rules to the top of their respective firewall sections):


add action=accept chain=input comment=\
"Allow Proxy - redirect suspended users - this and then next five rules
should be at the top of the filter list" disabled=no dst-port=16099 \
protocol=tcp
add action=jump chain=forward disabled=no jump-target=Suspended \
src-address-list=suspended
add action=accept chain=Suspended disabled=no dst-port=443 protocol=tcp
add action=accept chain=Suspended disabled=no  \
dst-port=53 protocol=udp
add action=log chain=Suspended disabled=no dst-address-list=!PaymentGateway
limit=5/1m,10 log-prefix=""
add action=reject chain=Suspended disabled=no reject-with=\
icmp-admin-prohibited

/ip firewall nat
add action=redirect chain=dstnat comment="Redirect Nat Rule for suspend
users - put this rule at the top of the list " disabled=no dst-port=80 \
protocol=tcp src-address-list=suspended to-ports=16099

/ip proxy
set always-from-cache=no cache-administrator=webmaster cache-hit-dscp=4
cache-on-disk=no enabled=\
yes max-cache-size=none max-client-connections=600 max-fresh-time=3d
max-server-connections=\
600 parent-proxy=0.0.0.0 parent-proxy-port=0 port=16099
serialize-connections=no src-address=\
0.0.0.0
/ip proxy access
add action=allow disabled=no dst-host=mywebsite.com
add action=allow disabled=no dst-host=www.mywebsite.com
add action=deny disabled=no redirect-to=myportal.com src-address=\
x.x.x.x/24






On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 10:53 AM, Sam Lambie <samtaos...@gmail.com> wrote:

> We are in the the process of going to MT. But now, plain ole Linksys
> e2500's.
>
> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 9:51 AM, Cameron Crum <cc...@murcevilo.com> wrote:
>
>> Are you using MT routers? I can show you a script to ssh to the router
>> and move him to an address list that either redirects him through a web
>> proxy or just drops all traffic.
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 10:36 AM, Sam Lambie <samtaos...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Has anyone used a script to check say every 5 minutes when an SM is up
>>> and make changes to it? If so, got an example?
>>>
>>> Ideally, I want to turn off the ethernet interface of the radio as the
>>> customer is a bum, but he keeps weird hours an I don't want to be glued to
>>> my seat checking when he is up.
>>> I know that I could just block is WAN IP, but this is something I am
>>> interested in and have never done.
>>> Thanks
>>> Sam
>>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>> *Sam Lambie*
>>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>>> 575-758-7598 <(575)%20758-7598> Office
>>> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 <(575)%20758-7598> Office
> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>
>

Re: [AFMUG] SSH or Telnet script to check when a radio/sm is up?

[Cameron Crum]

Are you using MT routers? I can show you a script to ssh to the router and
move him to an address list that either redirects him through a web proxy
or just drops all traffic.

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 10:36 AM, Sam Lambie  wrote:

> Has anyone used a script to check say every 5 minutes when an SM is up and
> make changes to it? If so, got an example?
>
> Ideally, I want to turn off the ethernet interface of the radio as the
> customer is a bum, but he keeps weird hours an I don't want to be glued to
> my seat checking when he is up.
> I know that I could just block is WAN IP, but this is something I am
> interested in and have never done.
> Thanks
> Sam
>
> --
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 <(575)%20758-7598> Office
> www.Taosnet.com 
>

Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus

[Cameron Crum]

Large corporations I have worked for in the past have always put at least a
1.5x multiplier on employees. Many would do 2. I'm talking big companies
like Flour, Lucent, and Agilent. You can bet they have that stuff down. If
you think a $10/hr guy, for example, is only costing you $400/week, I think
you are in for a surprise.

On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 8:59 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller  wrote:

>
> I want to have a picnic
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Matt Hoppes 
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 25, 2018 6:25 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus
>
> Eh. You’re putting a price on well being and moral.
>
> Picnics. PTO. Bonus. Profit Sharing.
>
> I do those things because I want my employees to be happy and not have to
> worry so much about living.
>
> It makes them much more profitable at the office.
>
> We give unlimited time off with required two weeks off a year.
>
> Picnics and parties are just part of the moral boosting.
>
> My office workers don’t have a vehicle - there is a shared one that is
> used when someone goes out.
>
> And we cross train. We are too small to silo.
>
> The CEO does billing calls and my billing gals pull ropes at the towers
> and run cable at installs.
>
> I get what you are saying - but to me those things average out across
> employees.
>
> On Mar 25, 2018, at 19:17, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> FICA
> FUTA (Fed Unemployment)
> SUTA (State Unemployment)
> Workers' Comp
> G/L Insurance
> Health
> PTO
> Holiday
> Picnics, Parties
> Tool/Gas/Vehicle
> Company Meetings
> Training/Education
> Cell/Mobile/Internet
> Vehicle Fuel/Maint./Insurance
> Miscellaneous
> Profit Share/Pension/401k
> Additional Bonus
>
> If you are honest with the above figures, you come out at a cost that is
> almost always twice the pay rate.
>
> *From:* Matt Hoppes
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 25, 2018 5:03 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus
>
> How do you get that Chuck?
>
> Assuming taxes and all that?
>
> On Mar 25, 2018, at 18:54, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> I just re-did my labor burden spreadsheet.  Once again I proved to my self
> that if you pay someone $15/hour it actually costs you $30.
>
> $400/week out of pocket expense means an effective pay rate of $5/hour.
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 25, 2018 4:47 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus
>
> What kind of employee are you getting for $400/week?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Sunday, March 25, 2018 5:46:00 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus
>
> Depending on call volume somewhere on the neighborhood of $250-$400/month.
>
> That pays a weeks wage for an employee who can now also do other things.
>
> On Mar 25, 2018, at 17:50, Steve Jones  wrote:
>
> How much were you planning on paying serverplus?
>
> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018, 3:44 PM Matt Hoppes  rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
>> Interesting point. We are at 1,000 subs I and I just did this economic
>> model.
>>
>> I don’t have 24x7 support. But do have 9-9.
>>
>> With a well running network support calls are near nothing. I took the
>> money I was going to pay SP and hired staff. Now I have people who do
>> phones and other things.
>>
>> On Mar 25, 2018, at 06:32, Lewis Bergman  wrote:
>>
>> I would say that if you want local pronunciations of words you should run
>> your open tech support.
>>
>> I don't think most people care. They are normally happy just to have
>> someone speak English that they can understand. Until you get about 8000
>> subs I doubt you can do it anywhere close to the cost that Lane can.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 20, 2018, 3:42 PM Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyJXDdlD4jQ
>>>
>>> "IN-DE GO" :)
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 7:45 AM, Matt Hoppes >> rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>
 It’s In Di Go. Like the color. Not In Dee Go. Like a butchered version
 of the six fingered man.

 On Mar 14, 2018, at 04:27, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

 That's how it's pronounced...

 Maybe a regional thing?

 On Mar 11, 

Re: [AFMUG] -48 VDC supply needed

[Cameron Crum]

https://www.mouser.com/Power/Power-Supplies/Switching-Power-Supplies/_/N-axgkh?P=1yxt78uZ1z0wc7v=104278395=True=P_MarCom

On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 10:12 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> There are 2A ones (actually 2.5A) on the PacketFlux Web site if you can
> stand a laptop style one.
>
> On Mar 18, 2018 2:02 AM,  wrote:
>
>> Looking for universal input (AC 85-240 volts)
>> Isolated 48 VDC output.  1.5 amp continuous.
>> I can go din rail, prefer not to.  There is always meanwell.
>> Pricy...
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] -48 VDC supply needed

[Cameron Crum]

Have you checked Mouser?

On Sun, Mar 18, 2018, 3:02 AM  wrote:

> Looking for universal input (AC 85-240 volts)
> Isolated 48 VDC output.  1.5 amp continuous.
> I can go din rail, prefer not to.  There is always meanwell.
> Pricy...
>

Re: [AFMUG] Generic LTE CPEs used with Baicells, Telrad etc.

[Cameron Crum]

There is always MT with an LTE card.

On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 12:45 AM, Mathew Howard 
wrote:

> Your best bet is probably going to be to try getting a quantity discount
> from Baicells... I'm not sure if they're doing that or not, but if you have
> that many ready to go, it's worth a shot.
>
> Last I checked, there didn't seem to be a lot of options for 3.65ghz LTE
> cpe with decent antenna gain... I'm not sure what else is even out there,
> other than Telrad. The problem with getting anything directly from China,
> is that it probably won't be FCC certified.
>
> On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 8:33 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
>> What CPEs are you using on the LTE gear?   From most powerful to most
>> cost-effective?
>>
>>
>>
>> We are using the ones that Baicells sells with their gear, but looking to
>> sharpen our pencil on the scenario as we have a couple hundred users to
>> roll out in the next 90 days. (hopefully)
>>
>>
>>
>> Has anyone pulled some in from China directly?   We have some experience
>> with importing “widgets” from China, so that would be quite appealing, if
>> anyone has experience with that
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul McCall, President
>>
>> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>>
>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>> 
>>
>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>> 
>>
>> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>>
>> pa...@pdmnet.net
>>
>> www.pdmnet.com
>>
>> www.floridabroadband.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Employee Birthdays

[Cameron Crum]

On Mar 9, 2018 8:48 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> Ha
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018, 7:44 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> I did after
>>
>> On Mar 9, 2018 8:39 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Did you use some of your creative Stevespeak and got yourself booted?
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018, 7:08 PM Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I worked for a bird seed company, on my birthday they got me a meat and
 cheese tray in the morning and fired me in the afternoon. I thought that
 was a neat bday gift

 On Mar 9, 2018 7:48 PM, "Joe Novak"  wrote:

> We get a extra PTO day to use in our birth month. You can take the
> day, or take it later in the month and go see super troopers like I'm 
> gonna
> do :)
>
> On Mar 9, 2018 6:51 PM, "Seth Mattinen"  wrote:
>
>> On 3/9/18 4:10 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>
>>> Just curious what any of you might do for employees birthdays for
>>> the employee?
>>>
>>
>>
>> Take the day off of work.
>>
>> ~Seth
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Amtrak

[Cameron Crum]

I would say that Since the railroads make most of their money off of
freight and only a small portion from Amtrak, freight probably gets
priority. Too bad there is no "train neutrality".

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 3:10 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> So what the heck does it mean that my train is delayed by "freight train
> interference"?
>
> Do the railroads have a QoS policy favoring bulk downloads over realtime
> traffic? Seems backwards.  The freight wouldn't care if it took an extra
> hour. Just sayin.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AnimalFarm Summer Session

[Cameron Crum]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvJN2VPu6no

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 8:14 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Oh and eating mass quantities of smoked dead animals on day 2 as well.
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2018 7:10 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* AnimalFarm Summer Session
>
> Second week of June.
> Day 1 in a hotel meeting room near SLC Airport.
> Day 2 my place about 15 minutes West of the SLC Airport.
>
> Tentative Topics
> Fiber topology and system design options
> Splicing
> Materials
> Equipment
> System Costs
>
> Horizontal Directional Drilling operation
> Vacuum Excavation operation
> Vibratory plow
> Splicing Trailers
> Trenching
> Missile/Hole Hawg
>
> Going to try to get Ditch Witch and Vermeer to bring their toys.
> But if the don’t want to do that I have my own.
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

[Cameron Crum]

No doubt about that. But, considering the specs on this car, it is cheap
compared to other "super cars" with relatively similar (not much out there
that can boast these specs) performance specifications. I've never been a
big Tesla car fan as I don't think the company would have been successful
on its own, but that is the car industry these days.

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 10:01 AM, Robert  wrote:

> The Tesla is Elon's direct reach into the pockets of the wealthy to fund
> his businesses
>
> On 3/8/18 7:38 AM, Jon Lee wrote:
>
>> This is more my style :)
>> http://bollingermotors.com
>>
>> On Mar 7, 2018 5:16 PM, "Jason McKemie" > > wrote:
>>
>> https://www.tesla.com/roadster
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors

[Cameron Crum]

If you can find it, Blacorn Unidragon by Clown Shoes brewery is pretty
high... 12-13% if I remember right. And it's a might-tasty too. A couple
bombers of that and he'll be good an primed.

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 2:53 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Steve strikes me as more of a Four Loko type of guy.
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Kurt Fankhauser" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 3/1/2018 3:04:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors
>
> Make sure you drink some really good craft beer with higher % before you
> make the call, lol
>
> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 11:52 AM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> Do it! do it!
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:23 AM, Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> did somebody say have some drinks and shoot off an email? Im hearing
>>> "have some drinks and shoot of an email"
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:12 AM,  wrote:
>>>
 I did ... [image: Winking smile]

 *From:* Keefe John
 *Sent:* Thursday, March 1, 2018 9:07 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors

 I wonder how many people emailed or called this guy now. He probably
 woke up to an inbox of hate mail.
 Keefe

 On March 1, 2018 9:59:21 AM CST, Kurt Fankhauser <
 lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Part-15 has no first come first claim basis for rights to any
> unlicensed frequency. Is their lawyer that dumb?
>
> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 11:14 PM, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:
>
>> I can’t remember of Steve Coran is on this list or not.  If not you
>> ought to forward this to him.
>>
>> *From:* Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:05 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors
>>
>> I actually tried to get my FCC attorney to agree that we could
>> enforce something like this about 15 years ago.
>> He told me I was pissin’ in the wind.
>>
>> Part 15 and the doctrine of the “law of the commons” were again me.
>>
>> *From:* Rory Conaway
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 28, 2018 8:55 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors
>>
>>
>> I thought I would rename this appropriately.  WISPA needs to get
>> ahead of this quickly so it doesn’t spread to every law office that 
>> thinks
>> they are going to make buck intimidating their competitors.  2 WISPS I 
>> know
>> in Arizona got these today.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>>
>> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>>
>> *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*
>>
>> *r...@triadwireless.net*
>>
>> *www.triadwireless.net *
>>
>>
>>
>> *“Yesterdays Home Runs don’t win todays games!”*
>>
>>
>>
>
>

 --
 Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] crap

[Cameron Crum]

Undelete them and your current filters should probably take care of it. IF
not, you can go to filters and apply them to old messages or something like
that.


On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 10:43 AM,  wrote:

> OK, thanks for that.  They are there.  All 22,000 of them mixed with other
> crap.
> How can I filter and move just afmug out of the all folder?
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 22, 2018 9:37 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] crap
>
> all mail shows deleted stuff. when i threw my temper fit i deleted my
> afmug folder, then realized quickly i reference it constantly, found the
> messages and recovered them. same thing here on the filters, too lazy to
> fix them though
>
> On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 10:31 AM,  wrote:
>
>> OK, maybe it is fixed.
>> It took my Animal Farm folder out of the message filter.  But it still
>> had it skip inbox as part of the filter.
>> This ought to tell me if it worked.
>>
>> *From:* ch...@directcom.com
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 22, 2018 9:27 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] crap
>>
>> It does if you tell it to delete the folder (via your imap client).
>> I have fired up one of my other email accounts until I get this sorted
>> out.
>>
>> *From:* Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 22, 2018 9:21 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] crap
>>
>> gmail never forgets
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 10:04 AM,  wrote:
>>
>>> thanks, getting direct but nothing from the list.
>>> Somehow I must have told gmail that I don’t want list traffic...
>>> Or the list got an unsubscribe from me.  I guess I will re subscribe and
>>> see if that will fix it.
>>>
>>> *From:* Jay Fuller - Cyber Broadband Inc.
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 22, 2018 9:03 AM
>>> *To:* Chuck McCown
>>> *Subject:* Fw: [AFMUG] crap
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 22, 2018 9:58 AM
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] crap
>>>
>>> Did not get my own test email on the list.
>>> If this comes through could someone let me know to my direct email
>>> ch...@wbmfg.com
>>>
>>> Just clicked the wrong thing.  IMAP folder got deleted.  It is still
>>> there in my Gmail acount it appears.  But empty.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

[AFMUG] Changes

[Cameron Crum]

Hey All,

I posted this on the FB WispTalk group but thought I'd put it out here as
well. As many of you may know, Wispmon sold to Sonar last September. I have
been employed by Sonar since then, but Sonar and I have amicably parted
ways. They are a great bunch of guys and I see nothing but success in their
future. I am still helping them finalize some conversions with Wispmon
stuff on a contract basis, and as I have become very familiar with the
product and the API specifically, I will be taking on third party
development work their customers need/want for added functionality, help
with importing data, and other things, as well as working on some other
projects which I couldn't do while in their employ. As Sonar owns the
Wispmon domain, this will be my last email from this address. I'll join the
group under a different address. Should anyone wish to contact me, please
do so at cc...@murcevilo.com.

Best,

Cameron Crum

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

[Cameron Crum]

Mid January works too ;)


On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 10:27 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> That could work. The middle of summer would be about as far as you can get
> from the Wispa events... and punching holes in the dirt sounds like fun.
>
> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 6:25 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> Sure, but we need to pick the right season.  Nothing near any Wispa event
>> in timing either.  They are pretty good to me.
>>
>> Maybe another summer session where I break out the directional drilling
>> machine and let everyone punch some holes in the dirt.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 4:55 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>
>> I would like to ask Chuck if he would host a externally funded BBQ/BOF
>> not AF, that would be pretty informal, so that we could all get some
>> eyeball time with each other...   I like Utah cause it's driveable to so
>> much of the US and excellent flights in for the rest and it could happen
>> in a better month than when we are doing all our spring cleaning/fall
>> prepping..   Totally understand it that's not in the cards, but if there
>> was a chance, would like to propose something low-key..
>>
>> Robert
>>
>> On 02/14/2018 02:57 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>>
>>> I vote to move AF back to Salt Lake. It was a good excuse to get some
>>> powder days in...oh, and the conference was good too.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net >> af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> and three NANOGs, one GPF, one PTC, etc.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+In
>>> telligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/
>>> company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com
>>> /company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> *From: *"Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net
>>> <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:00:16 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>>
>>> I admit I had a bit of conference fatigue with Animal Farm, two WISPA
>>> shows and a FISPA conference all in the same year.
>>>
>>> Chuck McCown wrote:
>>> > It can be done.  We outsourced much of it once we got the process
>>> > down.  But WispAmerica has been pretty good to me and I think they >
>>> think that AF as its own show may cut attendance to WispAmerica.
>>> > Two shows, same season, one much cheaper than the other...
>>> > So yeah, WispAmerica has an AnimalFarm track.  Same format as
>>> before.  > Manufacturers send engineers and we discuss technical stuff. And
>>> I > don’t have to do much other than MC the event.
>>> > *From:* TJ Trout
>>> > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:27 PM
>>> > *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>>  > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>> > Chuck,
>>> > How feasible would it be to bring AF back to Utah and outsource
>>> the  > unpalatable parts of planning?
>>> > Obviously the cost would go up per person? Once you broke it off
>>> into > wispa I haven't attended since...
>>> > Maybe I should give it a shot, you will be having a AF group @ >
>>> wispamerica in 20 days?
>>> > TJ
>>> > On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 7:13 PM, Faisal Imtiaz > <
>>> fai...@snappytelecom.net <mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > >>My surge protectors a

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

[Cameron Crum]

I vote to move AF back to Salt Lake. It was a good excuse to get some
powder days in...oh, and the conference was good too.


On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> and three NANOGs, one GPF, one PTC, etc.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Jay Weekley" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:00:16 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>
> I admit I had a bit of conference fatigue with Animal Farm, two WISPA
> shows and a FISPA conference all in the same year.
>
> Chuck McCown wrote:
> > It can be done.  We outsourced much of it once we got the process
> > down.  But WispAmerica has been pretty good to me and I think they
> > think that AF as its own show may cut attendance to WispAmerica.
> > Two shows, same season, one much cheaper than the other...
> > So yeah, WispAmerica has an AnimalFarm track.  Same format as before.
> > Manufacturers send engineers and we discuss technical stuff.  And I
> > don’t have to do much other than MC the event.
> > *From:* TJ Trout
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:27 PM
> > *To:* af@afmug.com
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
> > Chuck,
> > How feasible would it be to bring AF back to Utah and outsource the
> > unpalatable parts of planning?
> > Obviously the cost would go up per person? Once you broke it off into
> > wispa I haven't attended since...
> > Maybe I should give it a shot, you will be having a AF group @
> > wispamerica in 20 days?
> > TJ
> > On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 7:13 PM, Faisal Imtiaz
> >  wrote:
> >
> > >>My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement effect...
> > Thus the need for a fuse !
> > :)
> > Faisal Imtiaz
> > Snappy Internet & Telecom
> > http://www.snappytelecom.net
> >
> > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
> 
> >
> > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518>
>  Option 2 or
> > Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> > 
> 
> >
> > *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
> > *To: *af@afmug.com
> > *Sent: *Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:31:55 PM
> > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
> >
> > My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement effect...
> > *From:* Adam Moffett
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 2:13 PM
> > *To:* af@afmug.com
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>
> > That's hitting the nail on the head.  I don't want penis
> > enlargement spam, but I definitely want to hear about surge
> > protectors and power systems and network equipment.
> > Spam me Chuck.  Spam me like one of your French girls.
> > -- Original Message --
> > From: "Mathew Howard" 
> > To: "af" 
> > Sent: 2/13/2018 3:57:19 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
> >
> > Ha... I never even realized that those weren't going to
> > the list anymore... for some reason gmail puts it in my
> > afmug folder.
> >
> > The only thing that's slightly annoying is that I get them
> > more than once because my other email address is on
> > Chuck's list too, but I don't care enough to bother
> > unsubscribing... I actually like getting spam about stuff
> > that I'm interested in.
> > On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 1:53 PM, Chuck McCown
> >  wrote:
> >
> > Doing it this way, someone can simply unsubscribe from
> > the spam but not the list.  And Mail Chimp will never
> > ever ever ever let me send that person anything again
> > for all of eternity.  They rate the quality of lists
> > for how many bounces, unsubscribes etc.  I have a
> > pretty good rating with them.
> >
> > The alternative is going back to the Friday spam and
> > swap fest.
> >
> > BTW, my distributors have spam rights too.  But only
> > on Friday morning.
> >
> > I prefer the 

Re: [AFMUG] OOBE mikrotik

[Cameron Crum]

What if you set the OVPN to only come up if the primary interface fails?
Then you won't have all the handshakes eating through your data.



On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 7:53 AM, Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> It won't fit every situation but if you only need occasional access and
> can work within the framework there isn't a less expensive way to do it. We
> use it in a few different scenarios and have a few more planned. We have a
> demo setup of VoIP phones we use one on, It gets used a few times a month
> and works great. I am working on a few monitoring ideas that are going to
> use it.
>
> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 6:45 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> IPv6?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"TJ Trout" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 31, 2018 11:51:40 AM
>>
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] OOBE mikrotik
>>
>> I was wanting to add out of band management via LTE to some of our core
>> routers, but I think most/all cellular networks are NAT now so you cannot
>> access your LTE devices inbound unless you have it tunnel out to a public
>> ip over VPN somewhere right?
>>
>> How is everyone handling OOBE?
>>
>> I'm half tempted to do it via VHF low throughput radios!
>>
>> TJ
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Montana Governor Signs Order to Force Net Neutrality - The New York Times

[Cameron Crum]

They do it at Six Flags too...Fast Pass. Where is the outrage!

On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 4:04 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Disney pioneered this
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 24, 2018 3:01 PM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Montana Governor Signs Order to Force Net
> Neutrality - The New York Times
>
> Well, I don't know... paying extra to get to the front of the line at
> Burger king doesn't sound like such a bad idea to me... they just have to
> market it properly, and call it a discount for going to the back of the
> line, and people would be perfectly happy.
>
> On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 2:19 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> lmao
>> it just got downright stupid
>> https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20180124005145/en/BUR
>> GER-KING%C2%AE-Brand-Takes-Net-Neutrality-%E2%80%9CWHOPPER%C2%AE
>> how about that TSA fast lane thing, hows that work? Ipass for toll roads?
>> Hell, even 8 items or less express lanes at the supermarkets
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 12:27 PM, Layne Sisk 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Exactly, has anyone seen any changes since NN was overturned?  Nope, and
>>> they won’t.  The free market will control it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Layne Sisk
>>>
>>> ServerPlus
>>>
>>> 801.426.8283, ext 102 <801.426.8283%2C%20ext%20102>
>>>
>>> [image: New logo xl] 
>>>
>>> [image: http://i.imgur.com/VOz763A.png]
>>>
>>> [image: http://i.imgur.com/xvQYYWa.png]
>>> 
>>>
>>> [image: http://i.imgur.com/ELG0AB1.png]
>>> 
>>>
>>> [image: Utah 100]   [image: fast50-01][image: Inc 5000]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 23, 2018 9:11 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Montana Governor Signs Order to Force Net
>>> Neutrality - The New York Times
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I think there is NN irrespective of whatever laws they pass.  Market
>>> forces will cause it to happen.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Steve Jones
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 22, 2018 9:26 PM
>>>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Montana Governor Signs Order to Force Net
>>> Neutrality - The New York Times
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Chuck said the NN thing is over
>>>
>>> How would this be enforced on the cellular side. Sprints offering cap
>>> free netflix, isnt that a violation of NN?
>>>
>>> If state funding has gone into any "coops" like it has here, how does
>>> that work if the "coop" no longer chooses to abide by NN. Can montana
>>> retroactively alter the contract?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 22, 2018 10:00 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/01/22/technology/montana-net
>>> -neutrality.html?referer=https://news.google.com/
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi Barcode Scanners

[Cameron Crum]

Oh, cool. I've never used the indoor heat mapping stuff, just thought it
would be a good feature.


On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 10:52 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
wrote:

> Quite a few already do that.
>
> On Jan 23, 2018 8:52 AM, "Cameron Crum" <cc...@wispmon.com> wrote:
>
>> It would be cool if they could mesh all the top signals together in the
>> heat map, then when you move your mouse over a pixel it would show you the
>> every AP and its signal strength in a list, or at least the top 3 or 4. So
>> your heat map would really a best server map. I wrote a propagation program
>> in the late 90's, early 2000's to do this for cellular signals. We could
>> even show average throughput on CDMA running it through a simulation
>> algorithm.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 9:53 PM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Here is a sample of a warehouse map using a Netgear AP in my backyard to
>>> learn how to set up the heat map...
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>> On Jan 22, 2018 8:45 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> copacetic :)
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 9:43 PM, Jaime Solorza
>>>> <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > Good tips...I will post some of the findings.. thanks
>>>> >
>>>> > Jaime Solorza
>>>> >
>>>> > On Jan 22, 2018 8:39 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The small mesh APs would work as well, though you don't have to use
>>>> >> the mesh function. I just installed quite a few of these myself.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 9:38 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com
>>>> >
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >> > Lots of  UBNT-AC-Lite or similar never set any higher than medium
>>>> >> > power. Set min RSSI to force them off at around -75. Heatmap the
>>>> >> > warehouse when done to check for coverage gaps.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 3:00 PM, Jaime Solorza
>>>> >> > <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >> >> My concern was not on APs...they are going to be UniFi APs from
>>>> what
>>>> >> >> was
>>>> >> >> conveyed to us.  I was more concerned on actual scanner issues.
>>>> Read
>>>> >> >> allot
>>>> >> >> of drop off issues with several of the better quality ones so
>>>> since we
>>>> >> >> don't
>>>> >> >> know which ones they are deploying I was fishing for stories. One
>>>> of my
>>>> >> >> friends just told me to go a bit heavier of number of APs based on
>>>> >> >> experience with Home Depot and Walmart issues.  More APs needed
>>>> than
>>>> >> >> planned
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Jaime Solorza
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> On Jan 22, 2018 1:22 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuh...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> depending on the size of the warehouse, and cost for utp cat5e
>>>> cabling
>>>> >> >>> around a lot of areas, think about whether you'd rather go for a
>>>> >> >>> larger
>>>> >> >>> number of cheaper APs distributed around the place (ex: a lot of
>>>> the
>>>> >> >>> $79
>>>> >> >>> ubnt uap-ac-lite 802.11ac 2x2 mimo dual band APs, that are 24VDC
>>>> >> >>> proprietary
>>>> >> >>> power), or a smaller number of $199 type APs (3x3 MIMO, 802.3af
>>>> PoE).
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 12:16 PM, Jaime Solorza
>>>> >> >>> <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>> Wow, I feel like The Nobody Likes Me dude...no replies, Buehler?
>>>> >> >>>> Buehler?
>>>> >> >>>> Anyone?
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>> On Jan 22, 2018 12:13 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <
>>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>>>> >> >>>> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>> Hello Kool Kats, yeah, copacetic!!!
>>>> >> >>>> Anyone have experience setting up WiFi Barcode scanners?
>>>> Curious on
>>>> >> >>>> typical receiver threshold levels.  Client is going to deploy
>>>> 10 to
>>>> >> >>>> 15 in
>>>> >> >>>> large warehouse and I am shooting to design an average -65dBm
>>>> >> >>>> coverage level
>>>> >> >>>> zone throughput...any ideas,tips or gotchas much
>>>> appreciated...can
>>>> >> >>>> you dig
>>>> >> >>>> it; yeah, knew that you could...thanks
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>
>>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Montana Governor Signs Order to Force Net Neutrality - The New York Times

[Cameron Crum]

I'm sure all 10 people who live in Montana will be thrilled, or they won't
even notice, just like yesterday. They seem to be out of bounds on this
one.

On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 10:38 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> It will be interesting if any muniwifi type projects are in play anywhere
> in the state. If a WISPA rep was wanting to do some actual legwork, im
> betting some state funding sources could be found for such projects (no
> dime of state funding can be used without a "contract") that could get
> interesting, minneapolis
>
> On Jan 22, 2018 10:30 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> That is a good question...they suspect legal challenges...
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Jan 22, 2018 9:26 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>>
>> Chuck said the NN thing is over
>> How would this be enforced on the cellular side. Sprints offering cap
>> free netflix, isnt that a violation of NN?
>> If state funding has gone into any "coops" like it has here, how does
>> that work if the "coop" no longer chooses to abide by NN. Can montana
>> retroactively alter the contract?
>>
>> On Jan 22, 2018 10:00 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/01/22/technology/montana-net
>> -neutrality.html?referer=https://news.google.com/
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi Barcode Scanners

[Cameron Crum]

It would be cool if they could mesh all the top signals together in the
heat map, then when you move your mouse over a pixel it would show you the
every AP and its signal strength in a list, or at least the top 3 or 4. So
your heat map would really a best server map. I wrote a propagation program
in the late 90's, early 2000's to do this for cellular signals. We could
even show average throughput on CDMA running it through a simulation
algorithm.

On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 9:53 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Here is a sample of a warehouse map using a Netgear AP in my backyard to
> learn how to set up the heat map...
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Jan 22, 2018 8:45 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>
>> copacetic :)
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 9:43 PM, Jaime Solorza
>>  wrote:
>> > Good tips...I will post some of the findings.. thanks
>> >
>> > Jaime Solorza
>> >
>> > On Jan 22, 2018 8:39 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> The small mesh APs would work as well, though you don't have to use
>> >> the mesh function. I just installed quite a few of these myself.
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 9:38 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > Lots of  UBNT-AC-Lite or similar never set any higher than medium
>> >> > power. Set min RSSI to force them off at around -75. Heatmap the
>> >> > warehouse when done to check for coverage gaps.
>> >> >
>> >> > On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 3:00 PM, Jaime Solorza
>> >> >  wrote:
>> >> >> My concern was not on APs...they are going to be UniFi APs from what
>> >> >> was
>> >> >> conveyed to us.  I was more concerned on actual scanner issues.
>> Read
>> >> >> allot
>> >> >> of drop off issues with several of the better quality ones so since
>> we
>> >> >> don't
>> >> >> know which ones they are deploying I was fishing for stories. One
>> of my
>> >> >> friends just told me to go a bit heavier of number of APs based on
>> >> >> experience with Home Depot and Walmart issues.  More APs needed than
>> >> >> planned
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Jaime Solorza
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Jan 22, 2018 1:22 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" 
>> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> depending on the size of the warehouse, and cost for utp cat5e
>> cabling
>> >> >>> around a lot of areas, think about whether you'd rather go for a
>> >> >>> larger
>> >> >>> number of cheaper APs distributed around the place (ex: a lot of
>> the
>> >> >>> $79
>> >> >>> ubnt uap-ac-lite 802.11ac 2x2 mimo dual band APs, that are 24VDC
>> >> >>> proprietary
>> >> >>> power), or a smaller number of $199 type APs (3x3 MIMO, 802.3af
>> PoE).
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 12:16 PM, Jaime Solorza
>> >> >>>  wrote:
>> >> 
>> >>  Wow, I feel like The Nobody Likes Me dude...no replies, Buehler?
>> >>  Buehler?
>> >>  Anyone?
>> >> 
>> >>  Jaime Solorza
>> >> 
>> >>  On Jan 22, 2018 12:13 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <
>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> 
>> >>  Hello Kool Kats, yeah, copacetic!!!
>> >>  Anyone have experience setting up WiFi Barcode scanners?  Curious
>> on
>> >>  typical receiver threshold levels.  Client is going to deploy 10
>> to
>> >>  15 in
>> >>  large warehouse and I am shooting to design an average -65dBm
>> >>  coverage level
>> >>  zone throughput...any ideas,tips or gotchas much appreciated...can
>> >>  you dig
>> >>  it; yeah, knew that you could...thanks
>> >> 
>> >>  Jaime Solorza
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: potcoin

[Cameron Crum]

Most banks won't deal with people in the "Business" so crypto currencies
are becoming the default currency (money laundering facility) for people
dealing drugs, legal or not. Guess someone just decided to stop hiding.

On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 12:39 AM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> as long as we are inserting digital OT currencies to bother the OT haters,
> I just came across this
> http://www.potcoin.com/
> Since bitcoin hasnt allowed me to play, Im guessing I should invest in
> some prison time
> no, really though, WTH is this all about?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using this?

[Cameron Crum]

Too bad you didn't have your rifle. You could be eating some sausage for
months.

On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 10:17 AM,  wrote:

> Crawl into my smoker little piggie.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Monday, December 11, 2017 6:24 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using this?
>
> Pet pig!!!  Lol...some very large ones with little ones coming to drink
> from spring.
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Dec 10, 2017 6:08 PM, "Jerry Head"  wrote:
>
>> Nah, more like this:...
>> [image: Image result for alabama forestry pictures]
>>
>> On 12/8/2017 11:38 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>
>> Like this?
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Dec 8, 2017 1:58 PM, "Bruce Robertson"  wrote:
>>
>>> I would guess that the best application would be out in the wild, away
>>> from any meter grids.  That's where you're most likely to not have cell
>>> signal.  Plus you can get by with very little bandwidth.
>>>
>>> On 12/7/17 5:50 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
>>>
 & people are having trouble getting a megabit with pointed antennas in
 900 against the meter grid?  Maybe it works best when there isn't any cell
 service and there aren't any homes...

 On 12/07/2017 05:09 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

> https://www.beartooth.com/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIxOSs0Zr51wIVA97
> ACh1AJwkkEAEYASAAEgLsXPD_BwE
>
> Jaime Solorza
>


>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Fun - probably non PC - possibly racist

[Cameron Crum]

I teach my kids with this method and use it quite frequently in designing
odd shaped speaker volumes. Was just doing that last night in fact! I love
the play on words.

On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 10:14 AM,  wrote:

> Below is a part of a thread between me and Ken Hohhof.  I found it fun
> last night.
> Can you figure out the riddle?
>
> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:08 AM
> *To:* Ken Hohhof
> *Subject:* Re: OFFLIST: government is not the only place where money talks
>
> I called 4 of my kids and asked them if they could understand the squaw on
> the hippo.
>
> First kid, my youngest son, 23 years old, really good machinist, acted
> like I was speaking a foreign language.  Even with hints and prompting he
> never got there.
>
> Second kid, actually works for a company building parts for Space X.  CS
> degree.  He took lots of hints and prompting.
>
> Third kid, EE, works for DOD at Hill Airforce Base got it instantly.  I
> was surprised as his EE coursework seemed about 1/3rd as rigorous as the
> stuff I had to do.
>
> Fourth kid, science teacher in Jr High, got it with a minor hint.
>
> Her husband, ME student at the Uof U didn’t have a clue.
>
> 3 more kids to ask.  That was fun!
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Monday, December 11, 2017 5:07 PM
> *To:* 'Chuck McCown'
> *Subject:* RE: OFFLIST: government is not the only place where money talks
>
>
> Well, that’s discouraging.  The books might be digital now, but nothing
> else has changed in almost 50 years.
>
>
>
> BTW, the “new math” happened while I was in approximately grades 8-10.  We
> had paperback textbooks from SMSG (School Mathematics Study Group).  I
> don’t remember them as being bad.  I think a lot depended on the teachers,
> whether they knew the material and taught it well in the classroom
> including the practical applications that Feynman wrote about.  Teachers
> were more highly valued in that period than now, and I think I had some
> really good science and math teachers especially in high school.  The “new
> math” approach I think was the first attempt at teaching college type math
> to all high school students rather than assuming most students would never
> need algebra, trig, or Venn diagrams.
>
>
>
> When my kids went to high school, everything in math class seemed to
> center around graphing calculators.  I’m not sure why.  It doesn’t teach
> fundamentals, and hardly anyone solves daily math problems with a graphing
> calculator.  I think it’s the same approach as teaching the way to find the
> diagonal of a right triangle is to cut one out of paper and measure it.  I
> remember a bad joke in high school that ended with “the squaw on the
> hippopotamus is equal to the sons of the squaws on the other two hides”.
> Who today would even know what that refers to?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown [mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, December 11, 2017 5:16 PM
> *To:* Ken Hohhof 
> *Subject:* Re: OFFLIST: government is not the only place where money talks
>
>
>
> Richard Feynman had an interesting experience with the textbook selection
> process:
>
>
>
> http://www.textbookleague.org/103feyn.htm
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>
> *Sent:* Monday, December 11, 2017 4:01 PM
>
> *To:* 'Chuck McCown'
>
> *Subject:* OFFLIST: government is not the only place where money talks
>
>
>
> Pharmaceutical companies of course spend a lot of time and money
> recruiting doctors to prescribe their drugs and recommend them at medical
> conferences.
>
>
>
> Same thing is happening with classroom technology like laptops and
> software, raising ethical concerns.  Lots of articles like this:
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/02/technology/silicon-
> valley-teachers-tech.html
>
>
>
> And apparently there was a scandal at Baltimore County Schools concerning
> a big contract for HP laptops:
>
> http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/DigitalEducation/2017/
> 11/baltimore_county_tech_conflicts.html
>
>
>
> My guess is shenanigans like this go on to a greater or lesser extent in
> almost any school district and influences the contracts for “Ed Tech”.  So
> we end up with kindergartners having iPads and Chromebooks, all the
> textbooks being online, and teachers using classroom management software,
> and wondering how much this really improves education.  Maybe it’s all
> great stuff, but it seems to show that lobbying and buying influence are
> not restricted to Washington.  Silicon Valley goes after the educators the
> same way Big Pharma goes after the doctors.
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT BTC

[Cameron Crum]

Meanwhile Ethereum and especially Litecoin have seen a decent rise this
past week as well and don't seem to AS volatile.

On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 6:59 AM, Gino A. Villarini 
wrote:

> Darwinism at its finest
>
> From: Af  on behalf of Lewis Bergman <
> lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 at 8:33 AM
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT BTC
>
> OMG
> People are taking out mortgages to buy bitcoin, says securities regulator
> Joseph Borg. Coupled with accounts of credit cards and equity loans being
> used to obtain bitcoin, it raises the possibility of risk-taking investors
> being left deeply indebted or potentially even homeless.
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: BTC futures

[Cameron Crum]

Tnk that was the hunt brothers.

On Dec 9, 2017 6:37 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

> Bass brothers took a huge hot for that in the silver market
>
> On Sat, Dec 9, 2017, 10:02 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Never thought about shorting and then dumping.  I guess if you have a
>> large enough position on anything that could work.  I wonder if there are
>> laws against doing it in the stock market?
>>
>> *From:* Travis Johnson
>> *Sent:* Saturday, December 09, 2017 8:51 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: BTC futures
>> Do you really think the "average" person that is buying into BTC right
>> now knows any of that information? Bitcoin has been on the financial news
>> channels every single day this week... and it will be again Monday because
>> of the futures trading.
>>
>> The only thing driving the price up is demand... so the more news, the
>> more it's talked about, the higher the price will go. LOL
>>
>> Travis
>>
>>
>> On 12/8/2017 12:06 PM, Carl Peterson wrote:
>>
>> Futures trading could just as easily drive the price down.  If Im sitting
>> on a 100k coin and I want to sell half of it, I short BTC to hedge against
>> the price dropping and then sell a bunch (which will cause the price to
>> drop).  I fully expect this to happen.
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 1:27 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>>
>>> Hey BTC is back "down" to $15k today... and the futures options
>>> start trading on Sunday, which I think will drive the price up
>>> substantially this coming week... now may be a good time to get in.
>>>
>>> Travis
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Carl Peterson
>>
>> *PORT NETWORKS*
>>
>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>> Baltimore, MD 21202
>> 
>>
>> (410) 637-3707
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: BTC futures

[Cameron Crum]

You can buy any dollar amount you want through an exchange like coinbase.
However if you want it fast you have to use their GDAX site which has been
having many issues the last couple days.



On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 2:18 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
wrote:

>
> um, so how does one "buy in" ?
> i don't have $15,600 to throw around
> i do have a scottrade account but - this isn't a stock
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Steve Jones 
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Friday, December 8, 2017 1:32 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: BTC futures
>
> you guys should just cash out now, i bought my pittance amount today,
> which means it will crash tomorrow
>
> On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 1:06 PM, Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> Futures trading could just as easily drive the price down.  If Im sitting
>> on a 100k coin and I want to sell half of it, I short BTC to hedge against
>> the price dropping and then sell a bunch (which will cause the price to
>> drop).  I fully expect this to happen.
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 1:27 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>>
>>> Hey BTC is back "down" to $15k today... and the futures options
>>> start trading on Sunday, which I think will drive the price up
>>> substantially this coming week... now may be a good time to get in.
>>>
>>> Travis
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Carl Peterson
>>
>> *PORT NETWORKS*
>>
>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
>> 
>>
>> Baltimore, MD 21202
>> 
>>
>> (410) 637-3707 <(410)%20637-3707>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Full erection..

[Cameron Crum]

I just know it works well in paintball to keep my bare neck from getting
tagged. Only had to have that happen once.

On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 5:00 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
wrote:

> You know what is 'funny' and ironic about the Shemagh or Keffiyah.
>
> There are mental pictures ingrained in everyone's head, greatly dependent
> on the Color and how one is wearing it.
>
> For Example.
>
> Your's is a yellow and black pattern you have... typically worn by Western
> Tactical forces and not a color that is used by Arabs in the Middle
> East.
> (More of a fashion color per say)
>
> If it was White  and black pattern ... and you are covering your face with
> it.. Hollywood likes to depict Middle East Terrorists in that manner
> (That particular White with Black pattern is commonly preferred by Arab
> Bedouins (Saudi Arabia)
>
> Palestinians Shemagh is White and a less dense Black pattern.
>
> If it was  White with Red pattern.. then you could be from Arabian
> Peninsula more on the Asian side.. (Yemeni / Iraqi etc.. ) mostly worn as a
> turban..
>
> If it was just plain white .. worn on the head, not covering the face.. it
> would be from the mainstream Arabs, the more affluent ones..
>
> If you used it to cover your face.. then it would be  a neeqab.. what the
> ladies wear !
>
> and if you wait for another two or 3 weeks,  and wear a white one  on your
> head..without covering your face along with the black/gold head ring, then
> you would considered to be dressed like one of the Wise Men who made their
> journey to Bethlehem to see newly born Prophet !.
>
> It funny how the mental imagery works !
>
> :)
>
> BTW.. it is a very practical piece of apparel with many many uses !
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
> *Sent: *Thursday, December 7, 2017 1:04:05 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Full erection..
>
>
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Dec 7, 2017 12:00 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> Insha allah
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Dec 7, 2017 11:56 AM, "Robert"  wrote:
>>
>>> fake news coming from the middle east...
>>>
>>> On 12/7/17 9:49 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>>
 Colder today on tower ... luckily I was only installing air terminal

 Jaime Solorza

 On Dec 7, 2017 10:31 AM, "Jaime Solorza" > wrote:

 Yep

 Jaime Solorza

 On Dec 7, 2017 10:05 AM, "Lewis Bergman" > wrote:

 I like it when I am fully erect.

 On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 7:16 PM Jaime Solorza
 >
 wrote:

 Got it done with gin pole ...


 Jaime Solorza


>

Re: [AFMUG] BTC 18k

[Cameron Crum]

So who's the father?


On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Jeremy  wrote:

> My wife got me with, "it's a puppy or a baby".  I bought her a puppy.
> Now, we have three kids and a dog.
>
> On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 11:24 AM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> So I asked the old lady if I could take the Christmas fund and invest it
>> in bitcoin, figured shed say no. but now she has me in a bind. "Yes, as
>> long as we can get a puppy right now"
>>
>> guys, I need some financial advice here. I know what happens when a woman
>> gets a puppy, she gets another puppy and another, and another. Im not a
>> math magician so I cant figure out how to calculate BC rate of return
>> agains some logarithmic increase in puppy population. Im afraid bitcoin
>> could top one million and i still wont be able to afford the dog food
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 11:55 AM, Robert  wrote:
>>
>>> Then you find out it's actually some guy in the back using a pyramid to
>>> make the profits...
>>>
>>> On 12/7/17 9:34 AM, Jesse DuPont wrote:
>>>
 You guys should check out aitrader.us. It uses a custom algorithm and
 GDAX (coinbase) API to do auto-trading for you, based on the thresholds you
 set. High-level overview: it will potentially buy BTC every 4 hours, based
 on the moving average and your buy sensitivity setting. For selling back to
 USD, it looks every minute at the BTC value (compared to USD) and once it
 falls below your trailing stop threshold, it issues API command to trade
 back to USD.

 So during all this, my account auto traded to BTC yesterday at 4:00 AM
 and it just traded back to USD today at 4:34 PM. I gained 45% and didn't
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 On 12/7/17 9:36 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:

> I had to jump back in this morning and now we are at $18k. :) This is
> nuts.
>
> Travis
>
>

>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitechs

[Cameron Crum]

They are one of the largest if not the largest MT consultancy in the world
with offices in multiple countries. That is not to say they don't support
other technologies, but that is one of their big ones. They don't do booths
at Wispa because supporting wisps in general is not really a huge market
for them, and they are probably out of the price range of most small wisps.
I know they are always AT the shows even if they don't have a booth. Heck
in Louisville they rented out a bar and gave away free drinks. As far as I
know, they require the lab set up so that they can get your network right.
Justin probably hit the nail on the head with his description. If you are a
big company and you hire one of the big 3 to come in to advise you on your
business, they are most certainly going to charge you to analyze your
business before ever making any recommendations. Do you really want a
company that doesn't fully understand your network making decisions on how
to change that network if they don't know how it is running? If's one thing
if you need help understanding a concept or how to change one setting, but
totally different if you are going from something like a flat network to
fully routed, or from static routes to OSPF/BGP, etc. As is true more often
that not, you get what you pay for.

Cameron

On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 12:29 PM, Adair Winter 
wrote:

> IMHO, that is exactly back words
> Kevin and the guys at IPA are good at what they do and they share a lot of
> info with the community.
> That said, use someone you are comfortable with.
>
> On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 9:57 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
>> Good info.  I agree with the network assessment time, etc.  We had spoken
>> with IPA about doing this, and didn’t pull the trigger because we had
>> bigger fish to fry at the time.  So, I re-asked the question.  I hear
>> specific to IPA that they really don’t have a high satisfaction record
>> among this group.   So, while this discussion morphed into charges for
>> assessing the network, it wasn’t really the question, and I think people on
>> here that are credible have described IPA as not quite having their act
>> together at this time
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Justin Wilson
>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 12, 2017 11:53 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitechs
>>
>>
>>
>> Speaking from a consultant side it can be a little tricky with a new
>> client.  I have been burned more than once thinking I was going to “hop in
>> and fix it real quick”. Anymore, I want to build relationships with my
>> clients.  One of the last ones was a guy calls me at midnight having a
>> traffic issue.  He has two upstream pipes he wants to try and utilize and
>> needs some BGP help.  It’s an emergency situation because he is maxing out
>> one pipe and the other is barely being used. So, I talk with him for 45
>> minutes on his drive home before he can give me remote access.  I then
>> spend the next hour or so writing out diagrams on paper trying to learn his
>> network as quickly as I can.
>>
>>
>>
>> I then make some BGP changes and see traffic change and watch it for
>> another 15 minutes or so. By this time his prime time is starting to wind
>> down a little so I can’t tell if it’s normal traffic utilization or I
>> actually fixed it. I tell client I made changes, spent 15 minutes typing up
>> said changes, and say I *think* I fixed it but don’t really know enough
>> about the network to say I did.  Send client invoice and say let me know
>> and we can look again at no charge.
>>
>>
>>
>> Three days later I get a nasty e-mail saying I didn’t fix it, goes on and
>> on how he can prove I didn’t fix it blah blah.  Oh, and by the way his
>> normal consultant logged in and fixed it. Well yeah because the normal guy
>> knows a whole lot more about the network than I did.
>>
>>
>>
>> Another off the street client had me look at some drop out issues.
>> Again, same story.  I have never touched the network and he calls me saying
>> traffic just randomly stops for a second or two at a time.  Start looking
>> at things, start from the easiest things to look at.  Spend 3 hours or so
>> making sure configs are correct, etc.  Bill client and say get back to me.
>> Sends me a nasty gram 3 months later saying it was the switch the routers
>> were hooked into and they had buffer issues.  Why did I not tell him to
>> replace the switch within the first hour?!?!?!
>>
>>
>>
>> These are just a few examples.  Us WISP consultants are a small bunch and
>> we all know each other.  My advice is you need to find a consultant you can
>> build a relationship with that works for BOTH of you.  My regular clients
>> know I pick up the phone in a pinch and am fair with them.  However, they
>> have taken the time and effort to build the relationship on their side
>> too.  Anyone new who calls me that is looking for someone to answer the
>> phone in that 

Re: [AFMUG] Aluminum foil can actually improve your wireless signal

[Cameron Crum]

This part was funny, "The idea is to eventually create an object that can
actually change shape if the room's layout changes."

Ummmwouldn't just a double or triple thick sheet of aluminum foil do
this without the 3-D printer? I can fold foil pretty easily and not have to
waste time on the printer.

On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 10:13 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> More here than article mentions...
>
>
> https://www.engadget.com/amp/2017/11/08/research-aluminum-
> foil-improves-wifi/
>

Re: [AFMUG] FS: Easy RJ45's with heavy gold plating

[Cameron Crum]

For some reason I was equating crimps to inserts. It's still early.

On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 8:20 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> On my production line, the tester gets thousands of inserts each month...
> But yeah, most plugs and jacks probably get under 15 in a lifetime.
>
> *From:* Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Monday, October 30, 2017 7:09 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FS: Easy RJ45's with heavy gold plating
>
> How often do you insert more than once on an RJ45?
>
> On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, all RJxx connectors (both plugs and jacks) I have ever heard of had
>> some kind of gold coating.
>> The thicker the gold, the more insertions they can take before being worn
>> out.
>>
>> *From:* TJ Trout
>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 29, 2017 12:01 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FS: Easy RJ45's with heavy gold plating
>>
>> Holy cow, thanks guys! 10,000 left of the shielded
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 12:37 AM, Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Doesn't copper actually conduct a little better? I thought it was just
>>> that gold doesn't tarnish.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 28, 2017, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Whats the question/statement? if youre saying something gold plated
>>>> performs as well as a copper stufss at the same gauge, thats to be
>>>> expected, gold is softer than copper/tin
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 11:25 PM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ooops
>>>>>
>>>>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxHZtFLNWX_OcGJHMFJ4eUpGdk0
>>>>>
>>>>> and
>>>>>
>>>>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxHZtFLNWX_OMFRQQ2FDeE5ydVk
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 9:23 PM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Easy to install RJ45 connectors, plated in rare 50 micron GOLD, most
>>>>>> connectors are only plated with 3 micron of gold.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rated for CAT5E but CAT6 seems to fit and work well. Thousands
>>>>>> deployed in the field over the last 12 months prior to offering these for
>>>>>> sale. Fits tough cable carrier.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pics;
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxHZtFLNWX_OWU9QTzY5bkNSNzg
>>>>>>
>>>>>> $40 / 100 sheilded
>>>>>> $350 / 1000 shielded (Free Shipping)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> $30 / 100 unshielded
>>>>>> $250 / 1000 unshielded (Free Shipping)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> contact offlist / paypal t...@pcguys.us
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] FS: Easy RJ45's with heavy gold plating

[Cameron Crum]

How often do you insert more than once on an RJ45?

On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Yeah, all RJxx connectors (both plugs and jacks) I have ever heard of had
> some kind of gold coating.
> The thicker the gold, the more insertions they can take before being worn
> out.
>
> *From:* TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 29, 2017 12:01 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FS: Easy RJ45's with heavy gold plating
>
> Holy cow, thanks guys! 10,000 left of the shielded
>
> On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 12:37 AM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> Doesn't copper actually conduct a little better? I thought it was just
>> that gold doesn't tarnish.
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, October 28, 2017, Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Whats the question/statement? if youre saying something gold plated
>>> performs as well as a copper stufss at the same gauge, thats to be
>>> expected, gold is softer than copper/tin
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 11:25 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:
>>>
 Ooops

 https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxHZtFLNWX_OcGJHMFJ4eUpGdk0

 and

 https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxHZtFLNWX_OMFRQQ2FDeE5ydVk

 On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 9:23 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:

> Easy to install RJ45 connectors, plated in rare 50 micron GOLD, most
> connectors are only plated with 3 micron of gold.
>
> Rated for CAT5E but CAT6 seems to fit and work well. Thousands
> deployed in the field over the last 12 months prior to offering these for
> sale. Fits tough cable carrier.
>
> Pics;
>
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxHZtFLNWX_OWU9QTzY5bkNSNzg
>
> $40 / 100 sheilded
> $350 / 1000 shielded (Free Shipping)
>
> $30 / 100 unshielded
> $250 / 1000 unshielded (Free Shipping)
>
> contact offlist / paypal t...@pcguys.us
>


>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

[Cameron Crum]

We did do a couple of on-prem installations for people, but there were
always issues and plenty of finger pointing at times. When the customer's
server reboots in the middle of a billing run who gets the blame, and how
are we, as the software provider, even supposed to be aware of it? Am I now
responsible for setting up external monitoring processes just because you
don't understand or aren't comfortable with cloud based services? It's hard
to defend yourself against things like that even though the answer seems
obvious. Also, on prem people want the same level of support, but also a
discount because you don't have to host it anymore. The truth is, most of
the time, the on-prem guys require more support, not less. Tracking down a
problem and trying to determine if it was the software's fault or the
hardware's fault is time consuming. We won't have easy access to server
logs and other diagnostic tools, and time spent acquiring that data means
more support hours. Support, as in man-hours, cost a lot more than hosted
servers. And to be clear, Wispmon didn't go out of buisiness. We were
approached by Sonar for an acquisition and it was a good deal for all
involved. Nobody from Wispmon was or will be left high and dry. We, at
Sonar, are working hard to ensure transitions are as smooth and hands off
on the customer end as possible. With that, have a good day, I have a lot
of data to move ;)

On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 8:22 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> IIRC, version 3 you could have some of their services (not billing)
> on-prem. Version 4 had an on-prem ability, due to the very reasons I
> stated...  a VM on your host is no different than a VM on my host from an
> OS\application perspective.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, October 18, 2017 8:20:17 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Sonar
>
> Wispmon was cloud only wasn't it?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> 
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>
> On Oct 18, 2017 9:16 AM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>
>> He always has a choice.
>>
>> On Oct 18, 2017 7:14 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> He didn't have a choice. His cloud-based billing provider went out of
>>> business and sold to sonar. So he doesn't even really have the option of
>>> running old software, he's being forced to upgrade.
>>>
>>> On Oct 18, 2017, at 07:55, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>>>
>>> Please don't become a Sonar customer just to demonize them because you
>>> don't like their service model.
>>>
>>> Seriously. That'd be a super shitty thing to do.
>>>
>>> On Oct 18, 2017 6:52 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>>>
 I will be using it shortly as Sonar bought WISPMon.

 All of the major billing\OSS platforms with modern features are also
 cloud-based, so there's not really anywhere else to go.

 That's fine for you that it works that way, but many WISPs are
 increasing their use of on-premises virtualization. What about your
 monitoring, DNS, RADIUS, syslog, Unimus, mail, etc., etc. servers?

 Yes, my reasons do outweigh arbitrary reasons to keep it in a cloud
 environment.

 Actually, I've been fairly quiet on this particular issue and will be
 increasing my advocacy efforts in this regard to all billing\OSS platforms.
 As I said, it's the SFP port of the billing\OSS world.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 
 
 
 
 Midwest Internet Exchange 
 
 
 
 The Brothers WISP 

Re: [AFMUG] Apparently 477 is not enough

[Cameron Crum]

Or Postal carrier routes.

On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 11:48 AM,  wrote:

> Most counties and all 911 systems have the MSAG Master Street Addressing
> Guide.
> Just a database cut and paste job.
>
> -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen
> Sent: Friday, October 13, 2017 10:33 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Apparently 477 is not enough
>
> On 10/13/17 9:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
>> I presume y’all have the addresses of your customers
>> How is this difficult?
>>
>
>
> I have addresses of my customers, of course, but not the individual
> addresses of all possible customers.
>
> ~Seth
>

Re: [AFMUG] GPS based "compass? <1000$?

[Cameron Crum]

Maybe the real question is, what are you looking to do?

On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 8:17 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> thats the brand my buddy is buying, 7k without a camera, 8k with a camera.
> I want it i think, but for 700 bucks
>
> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 7:27 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
>
>> Not purely GPS, I think this includes multiple compasses in it. It's a
>> common item for cellular sector alignment jobs, where the alignment specs
>> need to match the carrier's SOW/PWS precisely.
>>
>> https://www.google.com/search?q=3z+alignment+tool=3z+alig
>> nment+tool=chrome.0.0l6.1959j0j7=chrome=UTF-8
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 11:38 AM, Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I already know the manual and visual tricks
>>>
>>> Is there a reliable unit for verifying azimuth, gps is all i can assume
>>> that could do this. i see a bunch ranging 3k to 10k that i would guess work
>>> pretty well, is there anything in the 300-1000 budget range that actually
>>> works out there?
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Rice University Adds Asphalt To Speed Lithium Metal Battery Charging By 20 Times

[Cameron Crum]

But, isn't he whole idea of these things to get away from using the dreaded
oil?

Look! We are making these super toxic batteries to save the planet from the
ravages of oil! And now we are making them better by adding...oil. I'm so
confused...

On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 10:58 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> Originally found on slashdot:
>
> "The capacity of these batteries is enormous, but what is equally
> remarkable is that we can bring them from zero charge to full charge
> in five minutes, rather than the typical two hours or more needed with
> other batteries," Tour said. "While the capacity between the former
> and this new battery is similar, approaching the theoretical limit of
> lithium metal, the new asphalt-derived carbon can take up more lithium
> metal per unit area, and it is much simpler and cheaper to make. There
> is no chemical vapor deposition step, no e-beam deposition step and no
> need to grow nanotubes from graphene, so manufacturing is greatly
> simplified."
>
> http://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acsnano.7b05874
>

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[Cameron Crum]

After hearing the shots on some of the videos, it sounds more like full
auto. Typically the bump stop will only do a burst unless you are pretty
good with it. This was a little more rapid than what I've witnessed with
bump stops. It isn't that hard to get a full auto...just need a class 3
license, but you are heavily scrutinized, so not sure what laws would
prevent something like this.

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:29 AM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I had never seen these bump stop devices.  It is hard to believe that they
> are legal, and do not require a machine gun license.  I expect that will
> not last.
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Well crazy is crazy no matter what.  I don't care what allegiance they
>> claim..this was a massacre committed by a fucked up person.  People died
>> for no good reason.  As much heat as I will take for this, easy access to
>> guns has got to change.  Fuck the politics.
>>
>> On Oct 2, 2017 10:10 AM, "Cameron Crum" <cc...@wispmon.com> wrote:
>>
>> Well that is some relief.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
>>
>>> FBI says no...
>>>
>>> On 10/2/17 9:09 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>>>
>>>> ISIS is claiming he was a recent convert and they are responsible, not
>>>> verified yet, but if true is pretty scary.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I have never been asked any questions coming in and out of Vegas
>>>> hotels. There are so many conventions they are used to people who
>>>> don't like storing all their expensive gear in the conference room
>>>> or whatever.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:49 AM Steve Jones
>>>> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 10 rifles and 10k rounds isnt alot of real estate for travel
>>>> luggage transport
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 2, 2017 10:35 AM, "Jaime Solorza"
>>>> <losguyswirel...@gmail.com <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Bet you surveillance footage is getting analyzed.  I am
>>>> aware guns can be disassembled to fit in suitcase or travel
>>>> bags...but 10 guns if report is accurate...wow.
>>>> On Oct 2, 2017 9:06 AM, "Robert" <i...@avantwireless.com
>>>> <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Expect metal detectors going in immediately...
>>>>
>>>> On 10/2/17 7:56 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I won't be surprised if there were baggage checks at
>>>> the casino.
>>>>
>>>> Mike Hammett wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It would be irrational to change your plans, but
>>>> we're all just people.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -
>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>> <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>><
>>>> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+Inte
>>>> lligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>><https://www.linkedin.com/c
>>>> ompany/intelligent-computing-solutions
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/comp
>>>> any/intelligent-computing-solutions>><https://twitter.com/ICSIL
>>>>
>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>>
>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>>>> <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix
>>>> <https:/

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[Cameron Crum]

Well that is some relief.

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:

> FBI says no...
>
> On 10/2/17 9:09 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>
>> ISIS is claiming he was a recent convert and they are responsible, not
>> verified yet, but if true is pretty scary.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com
>> <mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I have never been asked any questions coming in and out of Vegas
>> hotels. There are so many conventions they are used to people who
>> don't like storing all their expensive gear in the conference room
>> or whatever.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:49 AM Steve Jones
>> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> 10 rifles and 10k rounds isnt alot of real estate for travel
>> luggage transport
>>
>> On Oct 2, 2017 10:35 AM, "Jaime Solorza"
>> <losguyswirel...@gmail.com <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Bet you surveillance footage is getting analyzed.  I am
>> aware guns can be disassembled to fit in suitcase or travel
>> bags...but 10 guns if report is accurate...wow.
>> On Oct 2, 2017 9:06 AM, "Robert" <i...@avantwireless.com
>> <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Expect metal detectors going in immediately...
>>
>> On 10/2/17 7:56 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>>
>> I won't be surprised if there were baggage checks at
>> the casino.
>>
>> Mike Hammett wrote:
>>
>> It would be irrational to change your plans, but
>> we're all just people.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>><
>> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
>> <https://plus.google.com/+Inte
>> lligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>><https://www.linkedin.com/
>> company/intelligent-computing-solutions
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/comp
>> any/intelligent-computing-solutions>><https://twitter.com/ICSIL
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>><
>> https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/comp
>> any/midwest-internet-exchange>><https://twitter.com/mdwestix
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>>
>> The Brothers WISP
>> <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/
>> <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/chann
>> el/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg
>> <https://www.youtube.com/chann
>> el/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>>
>> --
>> --
>> *From: *"Kurt Fankhauser"
>> <lists.wavel...@gmail.com
>> <mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> *Sent: *Monday, October 2, 2017 9:44:58 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
>>
>> I wonder if attendance to the WISPA show will be
>> down from this
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:39 AM, Jay Weekley
>> <par..

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[Cameron Crum]

ISIS is claiming he was a recent convert and they are responsible, not
verified yet, but if true is pretty scary.

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> I have never been asked any questions coming in and out of Vegas hotels.
> There are so many conventions they are used to people who don't like
> storing all their expensive gear in the conference room or whatever.
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:49 AM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> 10 rifles and 10k rounds isnt alot of real estate for travel luggage
>> transport
>>
>> On Oct 2, 2017 10:35 AM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Bet you surveillance footage is getting analyzed.  I am aware guns can be
>> disassembled to fit in suitcase or travel bags...but 10 guns if report is
>> accurate...wow.
>>
>> On Oct 2, 2017 9:06 AM, "Robert"  wrote:
>>
>> Expect metal detectors going in immediately...
>>>
>>> On 10/2/17 7:56 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>>>
 I won't be surprised if there were baggage checks at the casino.

 Mike Hammett wrote:

> It would be irrational to change your plans, but we're all just people.
>
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> *From: *"Kurt Fankhauser" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, October 2, 2017 9:44:58 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
>
> I wonder if attendance to the WISPA show will be down from this
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:39 AM, Jay Weekley <
> par...@cyberbroadband.net > wrote:
>
> A week later and some of us may have been at the concert.
>
> Robert wrote:
>
> A best friend and his brother were there and had bullets
> wizzing by him and hitting the ground around him and had
> people falling around him.
>
> On 10/2/17 4:12 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>
> I have a co-worker who is there on a vacation for his
> birthday until Wednesday. Haven't heard from him yet.
>
> On Oct 2, 2017 5:51 AM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)"
> 
>  >> wrote:
>
> I'm not really even sure what to say.  This keeps
> getting worse and
> worse as more details come in.
>
> A different festival on a different night and I could
> have been
> among the crowd.  Makes it even more real.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[Cameron Crum]

Was going to say...bump stop devices can make a semi-auto seem like a full
auto.

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 7:56 AM, Simon Westlake  wrote:

> My guess is that he had something like this: http://www.slidefire.com/
> videos
>
>
> On 10/2/2017 7:46 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
> Yea, I was listening to that same NPR report and it was definitely either
> one automatic or several disciplined semi automatics. Find that hard to
> believe. It is possible to fire a semi that fast but from that distance I
> wouldn't think he would be hitting that much. Maybe because it was so
> crowded he was able to hit without aiming.
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 6:34 AM Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>
>> There's video all over youtube, Twitter, and Instagram. I was watching
>> the /r/live reddit thread as it was happening.
>>
>> On Oct 2, 2017 6:25 AM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Sounded like automatic weapons on NPR report.
>>>
>> On Oct 2, 2017 5:16 AM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>> Yes..no word s

 On Oct 2, 2017 4:51 AM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <
 li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> I'm not really even sure what to say.  This keeps getting worse and
> worse as more details come in.
>
> A different festival on a different night and I could have been among
> the crowd.  Makes it even more real.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Tower construction accident in Miami today

[Cameron Crum]

That was my first questionwhy were they attached to the gin pole?
Trying to save some climbing time as they were raising it? I've erected
several towers with Gin poles (the small clamp on variety), both guyed and
self support, but It never once occurred to me to attach to one. Not that I
could as they were actually poles, but even If I could, it wouldn't seem
smart.

On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 7:25 AM, Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> When I was building tall towers that was the only way to do it. My bet is
> they were not attached to it though. Those don't collapse because the wind
> blows. They obviously must have exceeded the load limits. Maybe they didn't
> add in the additional load the wind adds. I'll bet the investigation will
> tell. Anyway, when you are up there, that gin pole is hooked into the base
> of the tower section you are working at the top of. It is typically chain
> boomed to the top of that same section. That gives you the ability to have
> the head room above the tower to do jobs like these. There is no other way
> to do it. When everyone is paying attention it is safe. I can't ever recall
> even having the slightest mishap using one.
>
> Having said all of that, I never tried to hang a 10,000 pound broadcast TV
> antenna either. Really I don't what the weigh but I do know they are very
> heavy and have a really large wind load. Having been on towers where some
> things did go wrong I can empathize with those guys on the tower. Hearing
> the pulley strain under the weight, the gin pole groan as it started to
> collapse. The all the sudden the whole things starts to crumble down in
> slow motion as you and everything around you crashes downward in a hell
> that might last a 30 seconds but seems like it goes on forever.
>
> Bummer man.
>
> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 11:15 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> They are huge and scary looking..World's Toughest Jobs show had episode
>> on tall tower construction with these gin poles...impressive but I will not
>> work on them...my Superman days are long gone
>>
>> On Sep 27, 2017 10:11 PM, "Jeremy"  wrote:
>>
>> I haven't ever seen them.
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 8:44 PM, Jaime Solorza > > wrote:
>>
>>> Have you seen those gin poles used on large towers?  I have turned down
>>> high paying gigs on crews like these.  Cranes near guyed towers...not my
>>> cup of Tecate.
>>>
>>> On Sep 27, 2017 8:26 PM, "Jeremy"  wrote:
>>>
 They were "attached to the gin pole, when it collapsed and they fell".
 Who in the hell ties off to a gin pole?

 On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 8:18 PM, Jaime Solorza <
 losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> We were working in Cedar Hills, Texas when this same company lost
> three tower guys near Joe Poole Lake where all those monster towers are
> that serve DFW area...sad...
>
> On Sep 27, 2017 3:13 PM, "Wireless Administrator" 
> wrote:
>
>> Ouch …..
>>
>>
>>
>> http://wsvn.com/news/local/3-dead-after-falling-from-
>> television-tower-in-miami-gardens/
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve B.
>>
>

>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: S10 Chevy heating issue

[Cameron Crum]

I thought he already replaced it?

On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 10:19 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> If you don’t have exhaust gasses in the radiator, it is probably not a
> head gasket.  If you do, then follow up with a compression test.
> If both tests fail, it is probably a gasket.  Sounds to me more like a
> recalcitrant thermostat.
>
> *From:* Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Monday, September 18, 2017 9:13 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: S10 Chevy heating issue
>
> Be easier to replace a head gasket than pull the whole motor IMO
>
> On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 9:57 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> That exhaust gasses in the radiator test Forrest mentioned is a sure
>> indicator.  Better than a compression test.
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Monday, September 18, 2017 8:56 AM
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: S10 Chevy heating issue
>>
>> Yep... going have compression test done...we have another 4.3 in a
>> wrecked Blazer we could swap with 111005 miles on it.  Might just do that
>> and donate Blazer to Car Talk
>>
>> On Sep 18, 2017 8:51 AM, "Cameron Crum" <cc...@wispmon.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I wouldn't run without a t-stat. On a lot of cars you need the
>>> restriction to give the radiator time to do its job. Sounds to me like if
>>> it was smoking (from exhaust?) when heating, you might have a cracked head
>>> gasket. It looks like you've replaced everything else.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 9:04 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> One thing to check is if you're getting exhaust gases in the
>>>> radiator.   There are kits to test this.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 17, 2017 6:06 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> My wife bought a 2001 4x4 Chevy S10 Vortec 4.3 from sons wife.  We
>>>>> knew it heated up a little...I replaced water pump, fan clutch, 
>>>>> thermostat,
>>>>> had system flushed including heater core along with radiator.  It doesn't
>>>>> heat up us as much...you can run it on freeway with temp at 210
>>>>> degrees...once you exit and stop, it gets hot for a bit then cools off
>>>>> again.  No detectable leaks, no water in oil...wonder if sensor if
>>>>> faulty...any ideas or tips...we want 4x4 for winter hiking season.  Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: S10 Chevy heating issue

[Cameron Crum]

Be easier to replace a head gasket than pull the whole motor IMO

On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 9:57 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> That exhaust gasses in the radiator test Forrest mentioned is a sure
> indicator.  Better than a compression test.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Monday, September 18, 2017 8:56 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: S10 Chevy heating issue
>
> Yep... going have compression test done...we have another 4.3 in a wrecked
> Blazer we could swap with 111005 miles on it.  Might just do that and
> donate Blazer to Car Talk
>
> On Sep 18, 2017 8:51 AM, "Cameron Crum" <cc...@wispmon.com> wrote:
>
>> I wouldn't run without a t-stat. On a lot of cars you need the
>> restriction to give the radiator time to do its job. Sounds to me like if
>> it was smoking (from exhaust?) when heating, you might have a cracked head
>> gasket. It looks like you've replaced everything else.
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 9:04 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>
>>> One thing to check is if you're getting exhaust gases in the radiator.
>>> There are kits to test this.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 17, 2017 6:06 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> My wife bought a 2001 4x4 Chevy S10 Vortec 4.3 from sons wife.  We knew
>>>> it heated up a little...I replaced water pump, fan clutch, thermostat, had
>>>> system flushed including heater core along with radiator.  It doesn't heat
>>>> up us as much...you can run it on freeway with temp at 210 degrees...once
>>>> you exit and stop, it gets hot for a bit then cools off again.  No
>>>> detectable leaks, no water in oil...wonder if sensor if faulty...any ideas
>>>> or tips...we want 4x4 for winter hiking season.  Thanks
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: S10 Chevy heating issue

[Cameron Crum]

 I wouldn't run without a t-stat. On a lot of cars you need the restriction
to give the radiator time to do its job. Sounds to me like if it was
smoking (from exhaust?) when heating, you might have a cracked head gasket.
It looks like you've replaced everything else.

On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 9:04 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> One thing to check is if you're getting exhaust gases in the radiator.
> There are kits to test this.
>
>
>
> On Sep 17, 2017 6:06 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> My wife bought a 2001 4x4 Chevy S10 Vortec 4.3 from sons wife.  We knew
>> it heated up a little...I replaced water pump, fan clutch, thermostat, had
>> system flushed including heater core along with radiator.  It doesn't heat
>> up us as much...you can run it on freeway with temp at 210 degrees...once
>> you exit and stop, it gets hot for a bit then cools off again.  No
>> detectable leaks, no water in oil...wonder if sensor if faulty...any ideas
>> or tips...we want 4x4 for winter hiking season.  Thanks
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] RM Land cover

[Cameron Crum]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4xLolOI9Po

On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 9:29 AM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Sure does have pretty lipschime in eerie banjo music
>
> On Sep 14, 2017 8:27 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>
>> What are you doing in Louisiana?
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 2:14 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> Down doing site surveys in Louisiana.  Trees are much taller than
>>> anticipated and much taller than the land cover file that RM downloaded.
>>> What do you do to manually adjust or input real tree elevations?
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] irma

[Cameron Crum]

Is it too late to change your policy now? It's not like healthcare where
you can only get it at certain times, right?

On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 7:00 AM, Faisal Imtiaz 
wrote:

> South Florida, after Hurricane Andrew, has been one of the worst places to
> buy Homeowners Insurance.
>
> 1) No company offers Replacement insurance for Content
> 2) Insurance companies have separated water damage out from their
> coverage... (Flood Insurance from Gov).
> 3) Lot of the items are not 'excluded' or carry a premium charge.. e.g
> anything externally attached to the house..
>  shed, fence, pool, awning etc etc.
> 4)  Many of us are not able to afford the Windstorm coverage.. (high
> property values and higher premiums)... Just to give you an ideal,
>  Homeowners policy without Wind Storm Coverage is $4200/year... adding
> WindStorm would be an additional $10-$12K / year i.e. $15-18K / year...
> (the home value is also high 6 figures).
> 5) The insurance companies have been getting very picky about everything...
>
> So, putting all that aside, yes there is a portion in the Homeowners
> Insurance which pays up to a certain limit for "Loss of Use"...
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"CBB - Jay Fuller" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, September 7, 2017 11:30:54 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] irma
>
>
> curious - if you live in a hurricane mandatory evac zone - does your
> insurance company reimburse you travel expenses?
> assuming they don't - but i also believe if you have damage they do
> reimburse travel?
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Storm recovery in Florida

[Cameron Crum]

Wondering if you shut off to all your equipment and physically remove the
power from the grid where possible if it will help? Obviously there is the
wind damage, but I would think minimizing any strikes or power surges could
save a lot of headache after. Let your customers a couple hours before
landfall, the network will start going offline from south to north and then
come up in that direction as soon as the storm is over. I know it is a lot
of area to cover, but it might save your ass.

On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 6:29 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> I know I speak for myself and Gino, that we both will likely need extra
> personnel to recovery from Irma after the storm passes.  We have 38 towers
> across 4 counties in SouthEast Florida, and have prepared as best we can.
> We have been down this road before and it is not fun.
>
>
>
> It looks like regardless of the direct track of the storm, our customers
> will be significantly impacted.
>
>
>
> If there is anyone who can spare a good employee for a week or two
> afterwards, it would be greatly appreciated  they will be welcomed warmly
> and treated very well.
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>
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>
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>
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>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

[Cameron Crum]

Yeahpeople really don't know about AK but of course a storm this size
could hit and nobody would know it either. ;)


On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 9:02 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

> Former Alaskan here:
> Take care, little Texas. We're rooting for you!
>
> On Sep 1, 2017 8:23 AM, "Cameron Crum" <cc...@wispmon.com> wrote:
>
> The gas thing is nuts. Lines at the gas stations into the night around
> here. The size of the storm and affected area was huge, bigger than a lot
> of north eastern states or even a couple combined. I don't think people
> realize just how big Texas really is unless they have spent time here. I
> really don't think a lot of people outside of TX have a grasp on the scale
> of this thing. And, yes there are some crooks, but the vast majority of
> people heading that way are going to help. I saw ad's for people looking to
> buy boats and jet skis just so they could go help. Guys in by 4x4 clubs
> with lifted trucks were submitting air intake heights to see if their
> vehicles would pass the high water so they could go help. It's pretty
> amazing how many people are putting in an effort. Our office is being used
> to stock supplies of all kinds as my Ops Mgr's son and friends are heading
> down to Aransas Co next week. Keep in mind, it is a 5 hr drive at highway
> speeds in light traffic for me to get to Houston from where I live in Fort
> Worth, 7hrs to Corpus, 10 hrs to Brownsville (when the roads are open and
> clear). It's not exactly down the road.
>
> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 7:53 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> How about you just haul the generator in the trunk.  Then pull off road
>> if  you want to start and charge...
>>
>> *From:* Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:28 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas
>>
>> You can put red in on the generator at the shop to charge it. If the
>> generator is in the trunk charging as you drive you cant use it.. road
>> tax.
>>
>> On Aug 31, 2017 9:00 PM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not advocating this, but why?
>>>
>>> Electric cars don't pay anything.
>>>
>>> If I put a diesel generator into a Chevy Volt, I can use red diesel.
>>> Well, I assume. Why can't I put red diesel into...  sorry, most hybrids can
>>> engage the combustion motor for movement  a factory version of a Volt
>>> with a diesel?
>>>
>>> I know one is legal and one is not, but they're basically the same
>>> thing, just one comes with the generator and the other doesn't.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
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>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
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>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>
>>>
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>>> --
>>> *From: *"Robert" <i...@avantwireless.com>
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:51:28 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas
>>>
>>> As long as you keep it off-road!
>>>
>>> On 8/31/17 6:34 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>> > If an electric car pays no fuel tax, can a hybrid diesel-electric use
>>> > red diesel?  :-)
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

[Cameron Crum]

enerator gas surely arent
>> > paying road tax.
>> >
>> > On Aug 31, 2017 8:11 PM, "Richard Strittmatter" <rich...@mesh.net
>> > <mailto:rich...@mesh.net>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Funny you say that about the tank.
>> >
>> > __ __
>> >
>> > We just had to “borrow” some diesel from one of our extra tanks to
>> > our colo genset, to get one of our guys to the next station that had
>> > diesel.. 
>> >
>> > It was over 20+ miles away, and his 2500 was past E.. We had to call
>> > around to see who had fuel for him.
>> >
>> > __ __
>> >
>> > It’s pretty crazy here in DFW, most of the stations here have 0.00
>> > on their signs denoting that they have no gas.
>> >
>> > People lined up all down the access roads for fuel for the stations
>> > that do.
>> >
>> > All mine stay pretty full, but I’ve always done that.
>> >
>> > __ __
>> >
>> > I personally think the media should be ashamed of the panic they set
>> > off, but it’s all about what gets people pumped up, to them.
>> >
>> > My wife works for a municipality, and their officers spent a fair
>> > amount of time at gas stations today. They are short handed already,
>> >   because
>> >
>> > they have sent a contingent down to Houston. 
>> >
>> > __ __
>> >
>> > Richard Strittmatter
>> >
>> > __ __
>> >
>> > *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>> > <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
>> > *Sent:* Thursday, August 31, 2017 3:52 PM
>> > *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over
>> > gas____
>> >
>> > __ __
>> >
>> > I have an 8000 gallon tank of diesel at my shop. Hope I don't have
>> > to refill it before the prices come back down.
>> >
>> > __ __
>> >
>> > On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 3:43 PM Steve Jones
>> > <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > Its much less awful than initial estimates. They had said we
>> > would be down to just over 50% refining capacity, as it stands
>> > we are still in the mid to high 70s, and as I understand it only
>> > one refinery is slated to be offline for an extended time.
>> >
>> > __ __
>> >
>> > Its best to just get 20 or 30 gallons in reserve cans in the
>> > garage, more if you have the capacity. It shouldnt be impactful,
>> > but we are coming up on the labor day price hike, in conjunction
>> > with this, theres going to be some gouging attempts, but its
>> > been made federally clear that gouging wont be tolerated.
>> >
>> > __ __
>> >
>> > __ __
>> >
>> > __ __
>> >
>> > On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 1:32 PM, Cameron Crum <
>> cc...@wispmon.com
>> > <mailto:cc...@wispmon.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > So a news report came out claiming that the gas stations would
>> > soon run out of gas because the refineries are all shut down.
>> > So, guess what started happening in Fort Worth, a run on gas. I
>> > went to fill up my wife's car last night as it was running on
>> > about 1/8 tank and all the pumps were busy. I thought that was
>> > strange at 10pm. This morning, the local 7-11 where I make a
>> > morning stop had 4 deep at each pump. At lunch, every gas
>> > station I passed was the same. My truck was on E so I had to
>> > wait. I went home, emptied all my gas cans into my project
>> > truck, and went back and got in line. For the most part people
>> > were being courteous, but when I got out of my truck, a guy in a
>> > black BMW and a woman in red sedan were going at it over who was
>> > supposed to get the pump next at the pump in front of mine. She
>> > was threatening to back into his car so he called the cops. The
>> > truck in front of him pulled out so he got a pump and she got a
>> > pump in less than 30 seconds of arguing. He told her he had
>> > called the cops, so she then called the cops and claimed the guy
>> > accosted her, making it a priority call so they showed up quick.
>> > He pumped his gas and left and she waited for the cops. The look
>> > on the cops face said it all, "why the f*ck am I dealing with
>> > this woman with everything that is going on?" Fort Worth sent
>> > 100 offices down to Houston so they are short staffed right now,
>> > and an argument at the gas pump is not a high priority. Anyway,
>> > just a heads up as to what might be coming to the rest of the
>> > country soon. Most of the gas is refined down this way, so
>> > unless things get better fast, there could be shortages in a lot
>> > of places. 
>> >
>> > __ __
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>

[AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

[Cameron Crum]

So a news report came out claiming that the gas stations would soon run out
of gas because the refineries are all shut down. So, guess what started
happening in Fort Worth, a run on gas. I went to fill up my wife's car last
night as it was running on about 1/8 tank and all the pumps were busy. I
thought that was strange at 10pm. This morning, the local 7-11 where I make
a morning stop had 4 deep at each pump. At lunch, every gas station I
passed was the same. My truck was on E so I had to wait. I went home,
emptied all my gas cans into my project truck, and went back and got in
line. For the most part people were being courteous, but when I got out of
my truck, a guy in a black BMW and a woman in red sedan were going at it
over who was supposed to get the pump next at the pump in front of mine.
She was threatening to back into his car so he called the cops. The truck
in front of him pulled out so he got a pump and she got a pump in less than
30 seconds of arguing. He told her he had called the cops, so she then
called the cops and claimed the guy accosted her, making it a priority call
so they showed up quick. He pumped his gas and left and she waited for the
cops. The look on the cops face said it all, "why the f*ck am I dealing
with this woman with everything that is going on?" Fort Worth sent 100
offices down to Houston so they are short staffed right now, and an
argument at the gas pump is not a high priority. Anyway, just a heads up as
to what might be coming to the rest of the country soon. Most of the gas is
refined down this way, so unless things get better fast, there could be
shortages in a lot of places.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hello Kopacetic Kool Kats

[Cameron Crum]

15! That's what I call multiplication.

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 8:16 AM, Larry Smith  wrote:

> On Wed August 30 2017 17:15, Jaime Solorza wrote:
> > My name is Robert James Mowad Solorza.  I am number 15
> >
> > Jaime Solorza
>
> Congratulations.
>
> --
> Larry Smith
> lesm...@ecsis.net
>

Re: [AFMUG] Harvey damage

[Cameron Crum]

Most of the people hit by the flood are probably uninsured. Flood
insurance, if you can even get it, is expensive. My partner's son was
renting and their house has about 5 feet of water in it. They are not
insured for flooding. Everything is ruined including the vehicles he uses
to get to work. I'm guessing there are a lot of people in this scenario.

On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 1:20 PM, George Skorup 
wrote:

> We're on a station that's 17kW, 50kW EIRP. They have a 30kW genset. Then a
> 4.5kW EIRP station has a 100kW genset. Go figure.
>
> Any station that's part of the EAS is supposed to have generator backup. I
> know of several that don't, because they're cheap bastards
>
>
> On 8/29/2017 12:50 PM, Mitch Koep wrote:
>
> Chris
>
> The transmitter will run on A/C or transformer converted
>
> We had a local station on back up generator (50kw) for 4 days here
>
> for our equipment and the stations.
> Check the power panel I believe they are 200 Amp Panels
>
> On 8/29/2017 12:21 PM, Chris Fabien wrote:
>
> Wow, how much generator would it take to run a 100kw radio station?
> Several times that I would assume?
>
> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 11:35 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Broadcast
>> There are 9 radio stations out of service:
>> TX – KJOJ-FM, KKTX, KUNO, KPRC, KKWV, KAYK, KZFM, KKBA and KEYS.
>>
>>
>> KJOJ- - 100,000 watt FM (largest signal you can get)
>>  KKTX - 50,000 watt FM (pretty large signal)
>> KUNO - 1000 watt AM station
>> KPRC - 5000 watt AM station
>> KKWV - 8500 watt FM station
>>  KAYK - 50,000 watt FM
>> KZFM - 100,000 fm - glanced at their website, it had this on facebook :
>>
>> "Hot Z95 will be shutting down for the night at 6pm and will return
>> tomorrow at 6am. We like many other South Texans are without electricity
>> and are relying on generators to be on air. Some music is better than no
>> music! We know AEP is working as hard as they can to restore power to our
>> area. Until then we will do what we have to do."
>>
>> KKBA - 13,000 watt FM
>>
>> KEYS - well, i want those call letters LOL.
>> 1000 watt AM...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller 
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 28, 2017 12:34 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Harvey damage
>>
>>
>> Thanks for posting these
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>>
>> - Reply message -
>> From: "Kurt Fankhauser" 
>> To: 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Harvey damage
>> Date: Mon, Aug 28, 2017 12:19 AM
>>
>> Communications getting worse from FCC DIRS report differing from Aug 26
>> to Aug 27
>>
>> https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-346368A1.pdf
>> https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-346369A1.pdf
>>
>> 9 radio stations out of service (up from 5 on Aug 26 report)
>> 6 more switching centers, 11 total out of service (up from 5 on Aug 26
>> report)
>> 320 total cell towers out of service (up from 315 on Aug 26 report)
>>
>> Will be interesting to see what the Aug 28 report shows, looks like they
>> come out at 11:30 each morning
>>
>> https://www.fcc.gov/harvey
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 1:38 PM, Jason Wilson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> From NANOG last night.
>>>
>>>
>>> Hurrican Harvey DIRS report
>>>
>>> 5 radio stations out of service (WKNC, KKTX, KUNO, KKWV, and KAYK)
>>> 149,909 cable and wireline subscribers out of service (5 switching
>>> centers
>>> out of service, and 38 switching centers on backup power)
>>> 4% of cell sites out of service (Aransas, Reugio and San Patricio, TX
>>> have
>>> more than 50% of cell sites out of service)
>>> 9 PSAPs out of service or calls re-routed to another PSAP
>>>
>>> Aransas, TX is very rural, with only 19 cell sites, 18 out of service.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-346368A1.pdf
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 27, 2017 10:32 AM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>>>
 I saw reports this morning of 22+ inches of rain in certain areas, with
 > 10 inches expected in the next few days. Rockport seems to be the hardest
 hit.


 bp
 

 On 8/27/2017 9:11 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

> Hey guys , anyone getting hammered with rain and winds down in Hill
> Country areas? Tushar, Alan? Some flooding in San Antonio and especially
> Houston  but haven't heard about Austin, Llano, Marble Falls, etc. I have
> some Cambium 180s spares and one Epmp1000 .. stay safe
>
> Jaime Solorza
>


>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Harvey damage

[Cameron Crum]

Yeah...I mean if you ever needed an excuse to leave Houston...

On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 2:43 PM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Tough call any way you cut it...our city has sent nurses and emt help to
> Houston, utility trucks en route to San Antonio to stage for action, our
> emergency response center is ready for 1500 evacuees and more if
> necessary.  We did same for Katrina evacuees...many actually stayed...
> hospitality, great food and affordable housing, and again , great food.
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Aug 28, 2017 1:05 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> would you rather have 6.5 million people on the interstates when they
>> flooded?
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 28, 2017 1:33 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Harvey damage
>>
>> maybe someone from Texas can explain this to me but it seems that the
>> Huston evacuation plan for the storm (or really any natural disaster) was
>> to not evacuate because they can't move 6.5million people out of the city
>> in time for the storm so everyone was supposed to evacuate "in place"...so
>> now the plan is to go rescue everyone who stayed in place because it's all
>> flooded.
>>
>> I know Texans have their own sort of reasoning and thinking but this
>> seems really flawed IMHO.
>>
>> am i missing something or do I have my facts wrong?!?!
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> No political action better than reaction other than over reaction.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 11:11 AM Jaime Solorza <
>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Abbot just called out all Texas National Guard!! About 12000 members...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 28, 2017 8:33 AM, "Cameron Crum" <cc...@wispmon.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The Wisp response to Katrina was awesome thanks to Mac Dearman. I
>>>>> tired to offer wifi to some of the shelters up here in Fort Worth after
>>>>> that and it just turned into a bureaucratic nightmare and nothing ever got
>>>>> done. Nobody seemed to know who was in charge of communications. The
>>>>> shelters in some parts of Houston, as I understand it, are a moving target
>>>>> as well right now. My partner's son is currently in one, but it may soon 
>>>>> be
>>>>> overtaken by water itself and they might have to evac the few hundred
>>>>> people there. It's a mess for sure. Someone might consider contacting
>>>>> either Samaritan's Purse or HEB here in TX as they have already mobilized
>>>>> huge convoys of trucks with everything from food and water to laundry
>>>>> trucks, to shower trucks, etc. I wonder if they have ever considered
>>>>> communications? It might be worth while to have them build a few comms
>>>>> trucks with hydraulic masts that could be quickly deployed and get
>>>>> bandwidth from a nearby wisp for just such events. It could be outfitted
>>>>> with a bunch of couches, usb charging ports, and few APs inside/outside to
>>>>> provide communications quickly outside of shelters.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 8:14 AM, Steve Jones <
>>>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Was reading at is setting up temporary cell towers to bring up
>>>>>> basic outward commimications and limited data. Its filtering out 
>>>>>> streaming
>>>>>> and video. Of course when the politics takes things over, there will be
>>>>>> people who try suing for it not being "open internet'
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 28, 2017 7:37 AM, "Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would imagine it would keep getting worse as they run out of fuel.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 12:34 AM CBB - Jay Fuller <
>>>>>>> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for posting these
>>>>>>>>
&

Re: [AFMUG] Harvey damage

[Cameron Crum]

Houston freeways are parking lots on normal days. Big thunderstorms often
shut down large sections of highway there, so it's not like this was
unexpected. People should have started leaving last Thursday and a good
number did. Many thought they were high enough to not be impacted and were
wrong.

On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 1:46 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 8/28/17 11:42, Steve Jones wrote:
>
>> I watched the interview with the mayor, basically, they had a massive
>> number of people that would need to move, and the current data set put the
>> hit not on them. the biggest issue was where to send them, since this was
>> going to potentially be anywhere and everywhere at once. The death toll
>> would have been catastrophic, freeways would be congested and jammed
>> ultimately resulting in stranded vehicles, and ultimately thos vehicles
>> full under water, drownings would have been insane
>>
>
>
> At a certain point there's just too many people in one place and there's
> really no way to handle things with a good outcome for everyone.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] FCC Form 477

[Cameron Crum]

Some billing systems produce all the files you need, with no need for third
party services.

On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 9:43 AM, Jesse DuPont  wrote:

> Mike is talking about "deployment data" (represented as covered census
> blocks) wouldn't come from billing system. This wouldn't come from a
> billing system, it would come from something like a towercoverage.com 477
> export. Blocks are generally very small.
>
> Plat would export subscriber data, which would be by tract, by plan.
> Tracts are generally much larger than blocks, especially in rural areas.
>
> That being said, there shouldn't ever be any subscriber data where that
> tract doesn't have several blocks represented as covered by your deployment
> data, at least not anything grossly far away. It's certainly possible that
> there are customers where your deployment data doesn't represent (maybe you
> did a point to point link to a large ranch of some kind, have 4-5 services
> out there, but never added that ranch AP to your coverage - you'll have
> customers in that tract, but no deployment data showing you cover it).
>
> One ISP I work with uses Plat and in some cases, the ISP only has the
> customer's billing address in Plat, which is out of state. When we export
> for 477, they show subscribers out of state in areas the deployment data
> doesn't support. We manually clean these up; we sort the 477 export by
> FIPS, find the out of area ones, "move" them to other populous FIPS
> locations and submit it. It's not perfect and generally less than 1%, but
> it does make it cleaner. If a "service address" had been entered in Plat
> with the correct local address, it would have geocoded it correctly,
> ignoring the billing address.
>
> *Jesse DuPont*
>
> Network Architect
> email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
> Celerity Networks LLC
>
> Celerity Broadband LLC
> Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
>
> Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
> On 8/28/17 8:27 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> Maybe they resell something in that other location.  If they're using a
> system (like Plat) which generates covered blocks based on where your
> customers are, then something you resell in another area would show up in
> the report.
>
> I'm wondering what the opinion is on partially covered blocks these days.
> If you cover a portion of a census block, do you claim it or not?  I think
> many operators (including some large ones) are claiming coverage of any
> census block they touch.  I've heard at least one claim that it's a
> defensive move to prevent people getting government funding to overbuild
> them.  Incidentally, it also prevents *yourself *from getting government
> funding to build there so I'm thinking it isn't such a wise choice.
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Mike Hammett" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 8/28/2017 9:36:02 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] FCC Form 477
>
> On your Federal Communications Commission Form 477, make sure your stated
> coverage is at least somewhat representative of what you actually cover. In
> doing some market research, I keep finding ISPs (not just WISPs) obviously
> based out of one or two towns in one state, but have claimed some census
> blocks in other states. This seems very much so an error in the filing and
> not an expansion network.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Harvey damage

[Cameron Crum]

The Wisp response to Katrina was awesome thanks to Mac Dearman. I tired to
offer wifi to some of the shelters up here in Fort Worth after that and it
just turned into a bureaucratic nightmare and nothing ever got done. Nobody
seemed to know who was in charge of communications. The shelters in some
parts of Houston, as I understand it, are a moving target as well right
now. My partner's son is currently in one, but it may soon be overtaken by
water itself and they might have to evac the few hundred people there. It's
a mess for sure. Someone might consider contacting either Samaritan's Purse
or HEB here in TX as they have already mobilized huge convoys of trucks
with everything from food and water to laundry trucks, to shower trucks,
etc. I wonder if they have ever considered communications? It might be
worth while to have them build a few comms trucks with hydraulic masts that
could be quickly deployed and get bandwidth from a nearby wisp for just
such events. It could be outfitted with a bunch of couches, usb charging
ports, and few APs inside/outside to provide communications quickly outside
of shelters.

On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 8:14 AM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Was reading at is setting up temporary cell towers to bring up basic
> outward commimications and limited data. Its filtering out streaming and
> video. Of course when the politics takes things over, there will be people
> who try suing for it not being "open internet'
>
> On Aug 28, 2017 7:37 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>
>> I would imagine it would keep getting worse as they run out of fuel.
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 12:34 AM CBB - Jay Fuller <
>> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for posting these
>>>
>>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>>>
>>> - Reply message -
>>> From: "Kurt Fankhauser" 
>>> To: 
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Harvey damage
>>> Date: Mon, Aug 28, 2017 12:19 AM
>>>
>>> Communications getting worse from FCC DIRS report differing from Aug 26
>>> to Aug 27
>>>
>>> https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-346368A1.pdf
>>> https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-346369A1.pdf
>>>
>>> 9 radio stations out of service (up from 5 on Aug 26 report)
>>> 6 more switching centers, 11 total out of service (up from 5 on Aug 26
>>> report)
>>> 320 total cell towers out of service (up from 315 on Aug 26 report)
>>>
>>> Will be interesting to see what the Aug 28 report shows, looks like they
>>> come out at 11:30 each morning
>>>
>>> https://www.fcc.gov/harvey
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 1:38 PM, Jason Wilson >> > wrote:
>>>
 From NANOG last night.


 Hurrican Harvey DIRS report

 5 radio stations out of service (WKNC, KKTX, KUNO, KKWV, and KAYK)
 149,909 cable and wireline subscribers out of service (5 switching
 centers
 out of service, and 38 switching centers on backup power)
 4% of cell sites out of service (Aransas, Reugio and San Patricio, TX
 have
 more than 50% of cell sites out of service)
 9 PSAPs out of service or calls re-routed to another PSAP

 Aransas, TX is very rural, with only 19 cell sites, 18 out of service.


 https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-346368A1.pdf




 On Aug 27, 2017 10:32 AM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

> I saw reports this morning of 22+ inches of rain in certain areas,
> with > 10 inches expected in the next few days. Rockport seems to be the
> hardest hit.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 8/27/2017 9:11 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
>> Hey guys , anyone getting hammered with rain and winds down in Hill
>> Country areas? Tushar, Alan? Some flooding in San Antonio and especially
>> Houston  but haven't heard about Austin, Llano, Marble Falls, etc. I have
>> some Cambium 180s spares and one Epmp1000 .. stay safe
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>
>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] 5Ghz thermal fade w/ Corn

[Cameron Crum]

Would be interesting to see a graph related to temperature and humidity vs
signal strength to see if there is some ducting, or even temp probes at
different elevations during the event Also, how does the corn plant itself
behave during the day? Do the leaves lift or sag or stay the same? Corn
leaves are pretty wide and smooth. I wonder if they could be acting like a
nice smooth reflective surface due to a rise of the leaves?


On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 7:49 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Ken said he would (where possible) position the antenna so the center of
> the path was passing over a tree.
>
> I guess if the issue was destructive reflections off the corn then the
> tree attenuates those reflections?
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 8/27/2017 11:27:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5Ghz thermal fade w/ Corn
>
> First time I ever heard about this was many years ago from Ken Hohof.
> Corn and pine trees seem to have a unique effect on RF.
>
> *From:* Kurt Fankhauser
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 27, 2017 8:43 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] 5Ghz thermal fade w/ Corn
>
> I have a customer on a PMP450 SM at 5Ghz link only 2.8 miles out. This SM
> normally sits at -62 or -65. Every evening for the last 2 months SM will
> fade to -80 or worse and sometimes even disconnecting for a couple hours
> then it comes right back. AP is 120 feet height customer CPE height is
> about 15' height
>
> There is alot of corn fields across this link i have in the past seen
> problems with corn links. I don't know why but shooting across corn is
> sometimes a problem.
>
> Other thing i thought of is the AP is mounted on top of of a very large
> steel grain bin that probably is heating up during the day maybe it is
> giving off heat when the sun first goes down we have started to get cool in
> the evenings here.
>
> I am about ready to move customer to a different frequency band he is
> pissed his Netflix is not working during prime time.
>
> [image: Inline image 1][image: Inline image 3]
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] O/T who's watching the fight tonight?!?

[Cameron Crum]

You could say, "I could care less, but I don't know how."

On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 10:49 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> I hate it when people say that. They just say shit without even
> understanding how words work.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Saturday, August 26, 2017 10:47:42 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] O/T who's watching the fight tonight?!?
>
> Well at least give him credit for not saying “ could care less “
>
> *From:* Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 26, 2017 9:42 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] O/T who's watching the fight tonight?!?
>
> Ppfttbtbtbtbtbtbtbtbtbtbbtbtbt, to you sir. Good day!
>
> (If Conor wins the Irish are going to rampage through Las Vegas)
>
> On Aug 26, 2017 10:37 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>
>> Couldn't care less.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Saturday, August 26, 2017 10:36:40 AM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] O/T who's watching the fight tonight?!?
>>
>> I'm excited for what could happen, but probably will not :)
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fun project

[Cameron Crum]

Been using a blink camera at home. It helped police catch a guy breaking
into cars. It cost me a drivers side window, but they got him mostly due to
my video footage.

On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 1:51 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> I am going to configure 2 IP cameras with built-in SD cards to record
> locally and a NAS with 4TB storage. Cameras at two different construction
> sites linked with existing SCADA links.  At NAS location I will install a
> Cradlepoint LTE router so engineers can view progress.  Cameras will be
> configured to snapshot to create time lapse.  I just picked equipment and
> CP router will be here Monday... should be fun.
>
> Jaime Solorza
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT RM Question

[Cameron Crum]

I think Brian just posted he has a viewable file for GE, but yeah, nothing
to point and click and edit.

On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 9:25 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

> No graphical tool to open it with then?
> I'm positive I could do what you're saying, but I'd like to be able to
> delegate a trained idiot to run through an area and edit pixels.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Cameron Crum" <cc...@wispmon.com>
> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> Sent: 8/3/2017 10:19:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT RM Question
>
> You'd have to change a whole 30 meter bin. It is a binary file 3601x3601
> bytes (to make it a grid representation). You would have to find the
> "square" or bin in the grid and modify the value at that byte position in
> the file.
>
> On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 8:29 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I've been wondering if there's a tool to edit the land cover data files.
>> I couldn't figure out what could open or import them.  I'd like to change a
>> few pixels to forest.
>>
>> -Adam
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Brian Webster" <i...@wirelessmapping.com>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 8/2/2017 1:32:26 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT RM Question
>>
>> For the record that data is derived from the National Land Cover Dataset
>> (NLCD). That data is built using satellite and aerial data and classifies
>> the ground clutter for each 30 meter square. Roger converted that data to a
>> format similar to the SRTM file format so that Radio Mobile can read and
>> use it. I have attached a Google Earth file that links to the National  set
>> if you want to just view the data and compare it to aerial images. As I
>> recall the latest version had some issues due to the fact that there were a
>> couple of extra land cover classes added and the conversion process from
>> the old format does not always work out exactly as desired. Also keep in
>> mind that due to the 30 meter square getting only one type of
>> classification, it’s one or the other in a 30 meter square area where you
>> could have both buildings and trees. In the urban clutter class this is
>> pretty common. Radio Mobile does loss calculations for buildings only in
>> that square and cannot account for a line of trees that do not make up the
>> majority of the 30 meter square.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank You,
>>
>> Brian Webster
>>
>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>>
>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 02, 2017 11:56 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT RM Question
>>
>>
>>
>> Perfect, thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Eric Muehleisen
>>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 02, 2017 9:54 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT RM Question
>>
>>
>>
>> In Mobile Radio under Internet Options. Land cover can be downloaded from
>> the internet and saved locally. I have mine pointing to "Landcover - Site
>> 2" which is http://www.ve2dbe.com/geodata/landcover/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 10:43 AM, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> The last I remember getting data for something similar it came from NASA.
>> This might be a place to start:
>>
>> https://data.giss.nasa.gov/landuse/
>>
>> If you do a google for NASA land search you get a few thiings that might
>> help.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 10:17 AM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>> But where does the data come from?  Seems like Roger was giving it away
>> one year at AnimalFarm.  I probably got a disk but I doubt I could ever
>> find it.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Steve Jones
>>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 01, 2017 6:07 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT RM Question
>>
>>
>>
>> Thats an option you select and edit into that file. I think its all like
>> 20 years old though on the clutter
>>
>> On Aug 1, 2017 5:11 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>> Where do you get land cover data for Radio Mobile?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT RM Question

[Cameron Crum]

You'd have to change a whole 30 meter bin. It is a binary file 3601x3601
bytes (to make it a grid representation). You would have to find the
"square" or bin in the grid and modify the value at that byte position in
the file.

On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 8:29 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I've been wondering if there's a tool to edit the land cover data files.
> I couldn't figure out what could open or import them.  I'd like to change a
> few pixels to forest.
>
> -Adam
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Brian Webster" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 8/2/2017 1:32:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT RM Question
>
> For the record that data is derived from the National Land Cover Dataset
> (NLCD). That data is built using satellite and aerial data and classifies
> the ground clutter for each 30 meter square. Roger converted that data to a
> format similar to the SRTM file format so that Radio Mobile can read and
> use it. I have attached a Google Earth file that links to the National  set
> if you want to just view the data and compare it to aerial images. As I
> recall the latest version had some issues due to the fact that there were a
> couple of extra land cover classes added and the conversion process from
> the old format does not always work out exactly as desired. Also keep in
> mind that due to the 30 meter square getting only one type of
> classification, it’s one or the other in a 30 meter square area where you
> could have both buildings and trees. In the urban clutter class this is
> pretty common. Radio Mobile does loss calculations for buildings only in
> that square and cannot account for a line of trees that do not make up the
> majority of the 30 meter square.
>
>
>
>
>
> Thank You,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 02, 2017 11:56 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT RM Question
>
>
>
> Perfect, thanks.
>
>
>
> *From:* Eric Muehleisen
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 02, 2017 9:54 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT RM Question
>
>
>
> In Mobile Radio under Internet Options. Land cover can be downloaded from
> the internet and saved locally. I have mine pointing to "Landcover - Site
> 2" which is http://www.ve2dbe.com/geodata/landcover/
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 10:43 AM, Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
>
> The last I remember getting data for something similar it came from NASA.
> This might be a place to start:
>
> https://data.giss.nasa.gov/landuse/
>
> If you do a google for NASA land search you get a few thiings that might
> help.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 10:17 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> But where does the data come from?  Seems like Roger was giving it away
> one year at AnimalFarm.  I probably got a disk but I doubt I could ever
> find it.
>
>
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 01, 2017 6:07 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT RM Question
>
>
>
> Thats an option you select and edit into that file. I think its all like
> 20 years old though on the clutter
>
> On Aug 1, 2017 5:11 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
> Where do you get land cover data for Radio Mobile?
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / Confrontation Mitigation.

[Cameron Crum]

Word..to your mother if you are so inclined.


On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 10:56 AM,  wrote:

> phat
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Friday, July 21, 2017 8:34 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / Confrontation
> Mitigation.
>
> Like it's Fly? I still use bitchin
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Jul 21, 2017 8:24 AM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>
>> What happened to gat, that was so 90s
>>
>> On Jul 21, 2017 9:08 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>
>>> Gangster movies called them a “piece”.
>>>
>>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>>> *Sent:* Friday, July 21, 2017 8:05 AM
>>> *To:* Animal Farm
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / Confrontation
>>> Mitigation.
>>>
>>> Quete is slang for hand gun around here
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>> On Jul 21, 2017 7:03 AM, "Faisal Imtiaz" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I get a real kick out of 'language' it's differences and word usage by
 folks from different areas !
 (I learned Queen's English, as such folks often pointed out to me that
 my choice of words in conversation were sometimes not common).

 Love how in this thread folks have refereed to their "side arm" as Gun,
 Revolver, Luger, Heat, and Pistol !
 You all are now making me think that I need to add the SuperSoaker as a
 standard item in my toolbag !

 :)

 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet & Telecom
 7266 SW 48 Street
 Miami, FL 33155
 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

 - Original Message -
 > From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
 > To: af@afmug.com
 > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:11:47 PM
 > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / Confrontation
 Mitigation.

 > It's a scary feeling when you get to a site that is in the middle of
 > nowhere late at night to find out it's been vandalized and not know
 > where the culprit is.  I've started taking a pistol on my late night
 > service calls if I am alone and almost always have a mag light with me
 > day or night.
 >
 > Robert Haas wrote:
 >>
 >> I carry afterhours when I am responding by myself – some areas I will
 >> not respond to after hours alone or otherwise.  I do not carry during
 >> normal business hours.
 >>
 >> For our techs though, they are told to leave the area immediately if
 >> there is a significant threat, then to call the office or police.
 >>
 >> --
 >>
 >> We’ve had 2 incidents of people pulling weapons on our techs
 recently.
 >>
 >> One was a scheduled site survey. CSR’s called and spoke with the lady
 >> and gave her a time frame to expect the tech. Tech showed up, knocked
 >> on the door, rang the doorbell etc. and there was no response. He
 >> began doing the survey and was standing on the extension ladder when
 >> the lady came out and started screaming at him and pointing a
 revolver
 >> at him. The tech ran up the ladder and over the peak of the house.
 She
 >> came around the other side of the house and screamed at him to get
 off
 >> the roof – he got down and loaded his ladder up and left.
 >>
 >> She called complaining that we showed up un-announced and our
 vehicles
 >> aren’t marked – both of which are false – we also wear company shirts
 >> with our logo.
 >>
 >> The best part was her husband called up later wanting to know if it
 >> passed or not and then got pissed when we told him that we refused to
 >> service his location..
 >>
 >> --
 >>
 >> The other we had a tech out on a service call. The house’s eves were
 >> rotten and the J-arm and radio had fallen off the eve. Tech sent me
 >> pics of the house which was pretty much falling in on itself. I told
 >> the tech to speak to the homeowner about putting a 4x4 post down at
 >> the corner of the house so we could re-attach the radio but that we
 >> were not going to be able to mount the radio back on the house due to
 >> its condition. Homeowner blows up goes inside and comes back out with
 >> a shotgun and tells the tech to take the equipment otherwise he was
 >> going to blow his head off.
 >>
 >> --
 >>
 >> I’ve personally have had people walk up on me while working at a site
 >> in the early morning hours like at 1-2am. Nothing came of them – they
 >> were just intoxicated out wandering I guess.
 >>
 >> I also, completely on accident, hit a guy with a half full 44 ounce
 >> soda who was digging in one of our dumpsters at 3am. I was working
 >> late and was finished and cleaning up, the dumpster is probably 15’
 or
 >> so from the door of the shelter. I walked out and took a couple of
 >> steps towards my 

Re: [AFMUG] FDX vs HDX

[Cameron Crum]

I think this is a "listen-before-talk" technology.

On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 11:52 AM, George Skorup 
wrote:

> If your buffer is too small, try turning on flow-control. This could mean
> you might have to send her some "pause frames", so be careful with this
> setting. It could get ugly real fast. And try not to send a high number of
> errors out of your audio Tx waveguide or she might disconnect the link.
>
> On 7/20/2017 11:32 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> My wife just told me she can do FDX (or simplex) with talking to me but I
> can only do HDX when I talk to her.�
> �
> Not sure I have a large enough buffer.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT wages

[Cameron Crum]

Wages across the board have not kept up with inflation. There seemed to be
a point in the mid to late 90's where wages just sort of stagnated, but
COL,COG, real estate, etc. kept rising. I remember my father made about
$55k a year as an aerospace engineer back in the late 70s. Our house cost
$75k. Same house now sells for over $350k but I'd bet the people living in
it don't make somewhere near $260k. Real estate just seems unobtainable for
young families unless you are willing to put a lot of work into a place.
And I live in TX where housing is supposed to be reasonable. I can't
imagine what it's like in the NE or in CA. I know what my brother paid for
his place in the bay area and it ain't nothing special. About the same size
as my place in TX but more than 5x on cost. I fear my kids will never be
able to afford real estate unless they become hedge fund managers.

On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 9:08 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> MIT just announced "audit" ... this is a big deal
> Your boy will do fine, who needs buying power when your dad has paydays
> (you still have paydays?)
>
> On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 7:07 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> One of my son’s finished his college education today.  He “graduated” a
>> few months back, but had some classes to finish.  And part way through the
>> summer semester he discovered he still needed one more.  It was RF design.
>> And it was being taught at the same time as another class he needed.
>>
>> He got special permission, started two weeks late, never went to a single
>> lecture or class and still got a B.
>>
>> The kid spent part of his youth on my far-field antenna test range.  He
>> certainly knew plenty of RF.
>>
>> He is going back to the same department at Hill Airforce Base where he
>> interned last summer.  GS7
>>
>> About the same pay as I got 30 years ago when leaving college.
>> Seems sad that they have so much less buying power than I did.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Need bandwidth

[Cameron Crum]

Reach4 Broadband is the one I was thinking of in Baton Rouge

On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 12:03 PM, Cameron Crum <cc...@wispmon.com> wrote:

> sorry, nexus systems, but they are out of Monroe.
>
> http://www.nexussystems.net/
>
> On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 11:58 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks
>>
>> *From:* Cameron Crum
>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 13, 2017 10:47 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Need bandwidth
>>
>> I think Nexus Broadband is in Baton Rouge.
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 11:16 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In and around Alexandria and Baton Rouge LA.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Need bandwidth

[Cameron Crum]

sorry, nexus systems, but they are out of Monroe.

http://www.nexussystems.net/

On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 11:58 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Thanks
>
> *From:* Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 13, 2017 10:47 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Need bandwidth
>
> I think Nexus Broadband is in Baton Rouge.
>
> On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 11:16 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> In and around Alexandria and Baton Rouge LA.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Need bandwidth

[Cameron Crum]

I think Nexus Broadband is in Baton Rouge.

On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 11:16 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> In and around Alexandria and Baton Rouge LA.
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Road Trip Battery

[Cameron Crum]

I owned a small car stereo business in my youth, building systems in excess
of 1000watts. I would opt for a higher output alternator as Chuck suggests
over a second battery.

On Jul 11, 2017 9:33 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> Good inverters have DC low voltage alarms when they hit 10 volts DC.
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Jul 11, 2017 8:06 PM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:
>
>> Actually this would have been closer to 700 WattsI forgot my laptop
>> was plugged in too!
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Adam Moffett" 
>> To: "Animal Farm" 
>> Sent: 7/11/2017 10:05:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Road Trip Battery
>>
>> My '04 Hyundai Accent has a 90 amp alternator.  though I never did
>> figure out how many RPM's they assume when giving you that rating.  I read
>> some conflicting facts on that.
>>
>> Anyway, I have 1000 watt inverter and I've had approx 600 watts on it
>> while idling for several hours.  I can't prove whether the alternator kept
>> up or the battery was slowly draining.
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>> To: "Animal Farm" 
>> Sent: 7/11/2017 8:49:23 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Road Trip Battery
>>
>> If you install the isolation diodes, then yes.  But that only prevents a
>> dead starter battery.  If you have 3-4 devices all using 50 watts, and you
>> have a 50 amp alternator, you only have 600 watts total.  The air
>> conditioner blower is going to take probably 200 watts, the onboard
>> electronics perhaps 100 watts.  So maybe 300 excess.  I wouldn’t count on
>> even that much.  I have seen aux connectors fused at 15 amps so that is 180
>> watts.
>>
>> My dell has a 90 watt power supply.  So two of those running non stop?
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 11, 2017 6:32 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Road Trip Battery
>>
>> Not at all...Pep Boys and others sell a simple to install dual battery
>> inverter and heavy duty fuse system.  A good quality inverter would work
>> well and no big thing to install.  I use this for wiring up inverters for
>> vans and buses to a solenoid to start inverter when vehicle is started.
>> Prevents draining battery..
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Jul 11, 2017 6:14 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've got a cross country family trip from Utah to New York coming up and
>>> I want to wire up a secondary battery to my Toyota Minivan.
>>>
>>> I know, maybe I'm crazy, but I want to be able to run all our
>>> electronics on the trip, including maybe a computer for serving up video
>>> (another topic).
>>>
>>> I want it on a secondary system so I get more power and don't kill the
>>> main car battery.
>>>
>>> From what I gather I would need a sealed battery to avoid fumes (mostly).
>>> I would need a some sort of control system so the battery can charge
>>> from the alternator, but not drain the main battery.
>>> I need high gage wire between the batteries/alternater along with fuse,
>>> and also between secondary battery and large inverter for AC power.
>>>
>>> Probably not possible to shove another battery under the hood of the
>>> mini-van, but I haven't checked.
>>>
>>> Is this a silly idea?
>>>
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Reclaimed rail corridor access

[Cameron Crum]

BNSF is launching their own wisp.

On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 2:15 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> I wish BN was so easy.   From everything i hear expensive and takes
> forever, and they want lots of paperwork.  I think a new comm site on
> Federal land (including the environmental assessment) might be easier from
> the stories I hear.
>
> It took me a few months to even get them to respond last time I tried, at
> which point I decided wireless was easier.
>
> On Jul 11, 2017 11:30 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> Easy.  Find out who owns it.  An active UPRR longitudinal ROW is
>> expensive but easy to do.
>> If there is no RR easement any more, then you just deal with the land
>> owner.
>>
>> *From:* Jason McKemie
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 11, 2017 11:28 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Reclaimed rail corridor access
>>
>> There is a hiking / biking trail going in on an old railroad corridor
>> that I might like to run fiber along. Does anyone have experience with
>> this? Or is is generally too much of a hassle to deal with?
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Life Insurance Policies

[Cameron Crum]

I asked my bro about life insurance in general...he followed up with this:

"If he owns his company or owns a some percentage of it, we can even look
at the cost of Corporate Owned Life Insurance (COLI), or even creating a
Pension Plan where a small proportion of each salary deferral goes into a
Life Insurance policy  owned by the Pension Plan for his benefit.  He might
therefore be able to make pre-tax or tax deductible contributions that get
him the life insurance coverage he is looking for. The tax savings give him
basically another 25%-50% discount on the cost  of annual premiums. "

I don't get anything other than maybe a round of beers out of referring
people to him, but if you want to at least talk to someone in the business,
feel free to reach out to him.

Carter Crum, CFA
Senior Vice President-Wealth Management
Portfolio Manager

UBS Financial Services Inc.
750 University Avenue, Suite 250
Los Gatos, CA 95032
408-827-3260 <(408)%20827-3260> Phone
855-287-6006 <(855)%20287-6006> Fax
866-341-7661 <(866)%20341-7661> Toll Free
carter.c...@ubs.com


On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 11:22 AM, Jeremy  wrote:

> Yes, the annual rate is 'supposed' to stay the same, but the fine print
> says that they can change it at any time...up to the 'maximum'which is
> around $230,000 per year by the time the policy completes.
>
> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 10:00 AM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> forever and ever, expungment and all that only applies to criminal
>> matters, in regard to insurance a DUI is a component of your healthcare,
>> the associated required alcohol evaluations are in your medical records as
>> well. One DUI is not all that big of a deal, but two automatically
>> classifies you as a habitual drinker, which some claim is bad for you
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 10:04 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> So do DUIs hang around forever on a searchable database that the
>>> insurance company uses?
>>> Is there an expungement process?
>>>
>>> *From:* Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Monday, July 10, 2017 9:45 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Life Insurance Policies
>>>
>>> I have 2 DUIs in illinois 20 years ago. I cannot get a personal life
>>> insurance policy unless i pay like 100 to 200 bucks a month for 50k
>>> coverage. And wven then theres all kinds of rules on how im allowed to die,
>>> some ways will pay, some will after probate, and some just wont.
>>> Thats individual plans... i can only ever get any real life insurance
>>> through my employer. And i cant imagine a generic policy that would cover
>>> anythimg other than a work relateded croaking being employer affordable.
>>> When i was 20, i was worth like 250k dead and a half mil if i got ended at
>>> work. If i knew then what i know now
>>>
>>> On Jul 10, 2017 10:37 PM, "Jeremy"  wrote:
>>>
>>> Sorry, forgot the OT.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 9:37 PM, Jeremy  wrote:
>>>
 Anyone want to share what company they are using for life insurance,
 and what type of plan and/or rates, either on or off-list?  I have been
 shopping around and these policies are crazy.  Hard to believe anyone would
 sign these.

 Whole life is at the whim of the market, and you can lose it all.  Term
 policies even on a fixed term, say 30 years, claim that the payments
 "remain level" for the 30 -year term but then they say in the fine print
 that they can change the rate at anytime up to the maximum ($230,000 per
 year).  There has to be a more solid and less wishy-washy policy out there
 with a locked in rate, right?  Are they all giving themselves the ability
 to make it whatever they want at anytime in the fine print?

>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Life Insurance Policies

[Cameron Crum]

By fixed, I meant the annual rate. The rate is supposed to stay the same
for 20 yrs. After that, all bets are off.

On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 10:07 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I am pretty expensive but my numbers were bad when they wrote the policy.
> I have my blood sugar under control now, blood pressure is nominal, weight
> is coming down.  I wonder if I can ask for a lower rate or if I would just
> have to cancel the policy and apply with someone else.
>
> *From:* Travis Johnson
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 11, 2017 8:25 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Life Insurance Policies
>
> There is no "fixed" price. When we first applied, they sent someone to our
> office and did a mental and physical exam, plus they had a heart machine
> that they hooked us up to for 2 minutes. I was the 2nd cheapest out of the
> 5 partners... 3 others were much higher, from the same company.
>
> Travis
>
>
> On 7/11/2017 7:31 AM, Jeremy wrote:
>
> Does the fine print state that they can change that at anytime?  Mind
> sharing the company name?  I'm at $4,700 a year for $2 mil.
>
> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 7:15 AM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> We obtained 10 year term policies about 5 years ago. I have a $3 million
>> policy and I pay $978 per year.
>>
>> Travis
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/10/2017 9:37 PM, Jeremy wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone want to share what company they are using for life insurance, and
>>> what type of plan and/or rates, either on or off-list?  I have been
>>> shopping around and these policies are crazy.  Hard to believe anyone would
>>> sign these.
>>>
>>> Whole life is at the whim of the market, and you can lose it all.  Term
>>> policies even on a fixed term, say 30 years, claim that the payments
>>> "remain level" for the 30 -year term but then they say in the fine print
>>> that they can change the rate at anytime up to the maximum ($230,000 per
>>> year).  There has to be a more solid and less wishy-washy policy out there
>>> with a locked in rate, right?  Are they all giving themselves the ability
>>> to make it whatever they want at anytime in the fine print?
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Life Insurance Policies

[Cameron Crum]

I have a million dollar 20yr fixed policy that I pay around $90/month for.
My brother, a CFA for UBS, and a licensed insurance agent set it up. I'm
happy to pass along your info if you want. A lot depends on your age, your
habits, medical history, and what you do for a living. Things that will
either keep you from getting insured or give you higher rates are flying a
plane, climbing towers, doing any kind of work at height (like iron
workers), etc. Life insurance companies don't get rich off insuring high
risk people.

On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 8:15 AM, Travis Johnson  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> We obtained 10 year term policies about 5 years ago. I have a $3 million
> policy and I pay $978 per year.
>
> Travis
>
>
>
> On 7/10/2017 9:37 PM, Jeremy wrote:
>
>> Anyone want to share what company they are using for life insurance, and
>> what type of plan and/or rates, either on or off-list?  I have been
>> shopping around and these policies are crazy.  Hard to believe anyone would
>> sign these.
>>
>> Whole life is at the whim of the market, and you can lose it all.  Term
>> policies even on a fixed term, say 30 years, claim that the payments
>> "remain level" for the 30 -year term but then they say in the fine print
>> that they can change the rate at anytime up to the maximum ($230,000 per
>> year).  There has to be a more solid and less wishy-washy policy out there
>> with a locked in rate, right?  Are they all giving themselves the ability
>> to make it whatever they want at anytime in the fine print?
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ick

[Cameron Crum]

Wonder if they get the "web" on that port?

On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 12:40 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> Haha, I have some of those as well.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Friday, July 7, 2017 11:30 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Ick
>
>
>
> I noticed this comment on a port today:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ready for the Xbox one X and 100GB games?

[Cameron Crum]

One of our UBB clients does not count data between midnight and 5am. He
encourages his customers to schedule data backups, big downloads, updates
during those times (to the extent that is possible). It is probably a short
term solution given the way things are going, but it helps everyone else on
the network during peak times, and it saves the customer money for not
having those activities counted against their totals.


On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 2:08 PM, Rory Conaway 
wrote:

> You can always put a monthly cap on there and disconnect the 5% of users
> that exceed it.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Wireless
> Administrator
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 21, 2017 12:00 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ready for the Xbox one X and 100GB games?
>
>
>
> This industry is in trouble.  Nobody wants usage based billing.  Customers
> don’t want it for obvious reasons.  ISP’s are afraid to implement it for
> fear of losing customers.  If you lose money on an account is it really an
> asset to your business? I feel that the Large ISP’s have already
> implemented Usage Based Rate Adjustment.  They seem to have an automated
> process to adjust rates that will force off the heavy users.  Our industry
> will not get respect until it asks for it.  UBB or UBRA (New term I coined)
> is the way ….
>
>
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Mark - Myakka Technologies
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 21, 2017 2:07 PM
> *To:* Simon Westlake
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ready for the Xbox one X and 100GB games?
>
>
>
> Simon,
>
> But metered billing makes them think about what they are doing.  Does the
> baby need to be falling asleep watching a 4K movie?  The best way I can put
> it is renting an apartment with utilities included.  If I'm renting an
> apartment in FL with electric included, my AC is going to be set at 68
> 24/7.  The cat will be very comfortable all day, why should I care.
> However, if I'm paying for electric, the cat will have to deal with 78
> during the day and I may have to deal with 72 when I get home.
>
> Bandwidth prices are dropping for some, but for others it is still
> expensive.  Not to mention the HW costs to upgrade your network to handle
> the higher bandwidth internally.
>
> 4K tvs cost more to buy than 1080  or 720 TV's.  Why should someone who is
> willing to stream at 720 or pay for satellite TV, be forced to pay the same
> as that guy that wants to watch in 4K.  Why should a single person who just
> needs dependable fast internet occasionally be force to pay the same amount
> as the family with 6 kids and 30 devices?  Why should the kid willing to
> buy his game on a disc be forced to pay the same as the guy who doesn't
> want to get up off the couch to change a disc?
>
> Why is it we are the only industry that is expected to deliver a top notch
> fast and reliable service at a single low price.  The electric company gets
> to charge per KW, the all you can eat buffet charges per person, the cell
> phone company charges per device, cable/satellite charges per box, hell
> even the streaming companies get to put limits on the number of people that
> can stream per account.  Why is it when we ask a heavy user to pay their
> fair share all hell breaks lose and we are the greedy bastards?
>
>
>
>
>
> *-- Best regards, Mark*mailto:m...@mailmt.com
> 
>
>
> *Myakka Technologies, Inc. *www.MyakkaTech.com
>
>
> *Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life *
> http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL
>
> *Please Donate at Please Donate at *http://www.myakkatech.com/RFL.html
>
>
> *-- Wednesday, June 21, 2017, 1:11:27 PM, you wrote:*
>
> The problem with metered billing is that it doesn't solve the problem. The
> customer still purchased a game they want to download, or they have a 4K TV
> they want to watch movies on. Most people are just going to look for other
> options if they have to pay every time they try to use a device in their
> household, and even if people are willing to pay, you still have to be able
> to deliver enough service to them to give them the speeds they want.
>
> Until there is more spectrum available, I think DPI is a much better
> solution.. you can deprioritize and shape things like game downloads, and
> prioritize/shape their video streaming. I wish there was a better option,
> but I really don't think implementing UBB is a solution to this problem. It
> may give you more money to build up your network a bit, but it is poison to
> most customer's ears, and it won't change their behavior that much unless
> it's extremely painful for them financially.
>
> On 6/21/2017 10:51 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> metered billing.. wave of the future
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 9:46 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> I read some scary stuff the other day along a similar vein.
>
> Basically if 

Re: [AFMUG] OT..Hey Rory...we have a cold front

[Cameron Crum]

"Running" might be a generous description of the activity involved in
moving between bases with a bunch of guys that age.

On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 12:33 AM, Rory Conaway 
wrote:

> Yea, you guys are all heart.  We have a ball game tomorrow night at 7pm
> and the high tomorrow is supposed to be 120.  30 guys, all between 45 and
> 65, running around the bases in this temperature.  Let the good times roll.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Monday, June 19, 2017 4:52 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT..Hey Rory...we have a cold front
>
>
>
> No need ..it's 101 now b!
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
>
>
> On Jun 19, 2017 4:48 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:
>
> And the 80mph gust fronts.
>
> On 6/19/2017 5:30 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
>
> We can send you some of the marble size hail we just had in Chicago to
> cool you off
>
> On 6/19/2017 5:27 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> Just heard from my brother who lives near Tucson, Phoenix is at 112...come
> on over here to El Paso..it's a cold 102lol...Friday we are hitting
> 107...I don't want to guess how hot you guy's will be.
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage

[Cameron Crum]

That looks more like  a bunker.

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:41 PM,  wrote:

> Slightly more than B deck but no posts or pillars underneath.  It gets a
> 3" cap of concrete poured over it.
>
> -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson
> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:26 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage
>
>
> I'm totally doing that on my next house.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:04 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT Garage
>
> Got my floor/ceiling installed this morning.  I do not understand why they
> did not start at one end and place them all in a sequence.  When they came
> to install this last slab, the hole was too large and they had to scootch
> everything around.
>

Re: [AFMUG] August 21,2017 eclipse.

[Cameron Crum]

All I can say to that is  What?

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 10:10 AM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> don't forget to attach a safety pin to bottom of your shirt so if you are
> pregnant the baby doesn't come out looking like Gila monster.
>
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390 <(915)%20861-1390>
>
> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 8:44 AM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> Yeah I thought about just staying up in the air too.  Probably quite a
>> spooky sight to see :)
>>
>> -sean
>>
>> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 4:10 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> I took a Piper Turbo Arrow above the clouds over Portland, Oregon back
>>> in 1978/9  don’t remember exactly when, perhaps winter.  Then I saw one in
>>> Quincy, Illinois back in about 1991.
>>>
>>> *From:* Sean Heskett
>>> *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 7:53 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] August 21,2017 eclipse.
>>>
>>> I'm gonna try to fly into Driggs, ID or Casper, WY depending on the
>>> weather that day.
>>>
>>> -Sean
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 2:49 AM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>>
 For those of you who are planning to make the trek to (or are lucky
 enough to be in the path) of the totality portion of the August eclipse,
 there is a citizen science project which I'm participating in which needs a
 few more volunteers:

 https://eclipsemega.movie


 --
 *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
 Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
 forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
 
   


>

Re: [AFMUG] uW over ocean

[Cameron Crum]

So you are suggesting that an angled path is better than one at level
elevation?

On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 1:50 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> No
>
> *From:* Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 23, 2017 12:47 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] uW over ocean
>
> Did you use any vertical diversity with the antennas?
>
> On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 12:58 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> I have done lots of stuff over the Great Salt Lake.  No problems.  If you
>> can get some elevation difference between the two ends it is supposed to
>> help.  You want to avoid “specular” reflections.
>>
>> *From:* Cameron Crum
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 23, 2017 11:40 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] uW over ocean
>>
>> I have about 0 experience doing uW hops over the ocean. Anyone have
>> suggestions on best gear to use for ~12 miles over ocean, 1Gbps links?
>> Wondering which radios hold up the best in that climate...tropics, island
>> hops. I had a client ask so I thought I'd put it out to the borg.
>>
>> Cameron
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] uW over ocean

[Cameron Crum]

Did you use any vertical diversity with the antennas?

On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 12:58 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> I have done lots of stuff over the Great Salt Lake.  No problems.  If you
> can get some elevation difference between the two ends it is supposed to
> help.  You want to avoid “specular” reflections.
>
> *From:* Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 23, 2017 11:40 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] uW over ocean
>
> I have about 0 experience doing uW hops over the ocean. Anyone have
> suggestions on best gear to use for ~12 miles over ocean, 1Gbps links?
> Wondering which radios hold up the best in that climate...tropics, island
> hops. I had a client ask so I thought I'd put it out to the borg.
>
> Cameron
>

[AFMUG] uW over ocean

[Cameron Crum]

I have about 0 experience doing uW hops over the ocean. Anyone have
suggestions on best gear to use for ~12 miles over ocean, 1Gbps links?
Wondering which radios hold up the best in that climate...tropics, island
hops. I had a client ask so I thought I'd put it out to the borg.

Cameron

Re: [AFMUG] extending fiber with RF

[Cameron Crum]

What about a couple of 60GHz links with a single 5GHz AP as a backup? We
did this for a bank that needed to connect two buildings temporarily. Put a
MT on either side that ran IPSEC tunnel over the link with a failover
script to route traffic over the 5 GHz link if the 60 lost more than 50% of
it's packets. The 5 GHz was slower, but they still had connectivity in the
even of a heavy rain.

On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 2:28 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Still puzzling over how to get ethernet the last 3000 feet.  I have fiber
> to a point along a rural road.  The end is about 2000 feet from one home
> and 3000 feet from another.
>
> Was looking at using the existing copper with VDSL line extenders.  That
> was what that week of math problems was all about.  I am starting to lean
> away from that solution because it is old copper.  I really want to stop
> using it.
>
> I don’t have a ROW that is legal.  The old copper technically is in
> trespass and the owner of the property is known to be a major PITA.  So not
> sure if I can get permission.  Even then, we are talking about 5000 feet of
> fiber to place.  There will be some money involved.
>
> Using wireless could be much cheaper.  Will have to do a solar install
> with the ONT and RF gear on a stub pole at the handhole.
>
> Not sure what kid of RF.  Don’t want to use an AP because I need two layer
> 2 connections from the ONT.  Be more expensive to use an AP anyhow.  So two
> PTP systems.  Rock solid, never fail type of system.   Noise floor down
> there is probably pretty low.
> I could use a pair of rockets etc.  Not wanting to lo-ball this, want it
> to be very solid.
>
> What would you use?
>

Re: [AFMUG] OAM

[Cameron Crum]

Oh...in your first post you said "Different numbers of wavelengths can be
chopped out of the baloney and joined up as a ring."  I took that to mean
different wavelengths, but you meant different multiples of the same
wavelength?

On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 10:05 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Same frequency.  Different streams of information launched into the ether
> all on the same frequency.
> But the streams are oriented in space in a way they do not interfere with
> each other.
>
> *From:* Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Monday, May 22, 2017 9:03 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OAM
>
> How do you have different wavelengths and not different frequencies? Or
> are you referring to frequency as some channel of a certain bandwidth?
>
> On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 9:35 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> I finally re-read an IEEE magazine enough times to understand the OAM
>> propagation.  (Orbital angular momentum)
>>
>> If you have missed it, for the past 20 years there have been thousands of
>> white papers written on a type of radio signal called OAM.  It looks a lot
>> like circular polarization but the interesting thing is that you can use
>> the same frequency for multiple streams that do not interfere.  In theory
>> an infinite number of streams.
>>
>> So, here is how I got it explained to myself so that I could understand
>> it.
>> Using a special antenna, each wave front is launched like a smoke ring.
>> And the wave itself , or integer multiples of the wave are like little
>> snippets of string formed into a ring.  That is the smoke ring.  As you
>> traverse it around the ring the phase of the smoke changes.  So think of it
>> as taking a n-lambda  foot long chunk of the radio signal.  Chop it out
>> like a long piece of baloney and join it to its self.  Then set up some
>> kind of launcher that can throw these rings of signal at the other end, not
>> like a frisbee but like a pie in the face.
>>
>> Different numbers of wavelengths can be chopped out of the baloney and
>> joined up as a ring.  If you have rings from one transmitter made out of
>> two wavelengths and rings from a different transmitter of three
>> wavelengths, they can all use the same frequencies and they will not
>> interfere with each other.
>>
>> The downside is you have to have some really complicated funky antennas
>> at each end and they have to be aimed up perfectly.  The antenna center
>> must be in the center of the smoke ring to receive it properly.  If it is
>> off to the edge it will not have the clean separation from the other rings
>> with different integer multiples.
>>
>> Should work for very high frequencies over short distances.  Like 10 GHz
>> on up.  They are doing it with lasers.  I have see the 10 GHz antennas.
>> They look like the internal parts of a rotary snowplow.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OAM

[Cameron Crum]

How do you have different wavelengths and not different frequencies? Or are
you referring to frequency as some channel of a certain bandwidth?

On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 9:35 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I finally re-read an IEEE magazine enough times to understand the OAM
> propagation.  (Orbital angular momentum)
>
> If you have missed it, for the past 20 years there have been thousands of
> white papers written on a type of radio signal called OAM.  It looks a lot
> like circular polarization but the interesting thing is that you can use
> the same frequency for multiple streams that do not interfere.  In theory
> an infinite number of streams.
>
> So, here is how I got it explained to myself so that I could understand it.
> Using a special antenna, each wave front is launched like a smoke ring.
> And the wave itself , or integer multiples of the wave are like little
> snippets of string formed into a ring.  That is the smoke ring.  As you
> traverse it around the ring the phase of the smoke changes.  So think of it
> as taking a n-lambda  foot long chunk of the radio signal.  Chop it out
> like a long piece of baloney and join it to its self.  Then set up some
> kind of launcher that can throw these rings of signal at the other end, not
> like a frisbee but like a pie in the face.
>
> Different numbers of wavelengths can be chopped out of the baloney and
> joined up as a ring.  If you have rings from one transmitter made out of
> two wavelengths and rings from a different transmitter of three
> wavelengths, they can all use the same frequencies and they will not
> interfere with each other.
>
> The downside is you have to have some really complicated funky antennas at
> each end and they have to be aimed up perfectly.  The antenna center must
> be in the center of the smoke ring to receive it properly.  If it is off to
> the edge it will not have the clean separation from the other rings with
> different integer multiples.
>
> Should work for very high frequencies over short distances.  Like 10 GHz
> on up.  They are doing it with lasers.  I have see the 10 GHz antennas.
> They look like the internal parts of a rotary snowplow.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: CTO Opening in Large WISP in Nigeria

[Cameron Crum]

Isn't this where they are tearing out equipment and arresting people for
providing internet?

On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 4:35 AM, Ken Patrick  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Please find job description for Large WISP based in Lagos, Nigeria.
> We have been covered in Techcrunch
> 
> and Muniwireless
> 
> .
> We also have openings for Operations folks with  less experience than
> below.
>
>
>
> *Chief Technology Officer – CTO*
>
> TIZETI Inc. is looking for a Chief Technical Officer to work in Lagos,
> Nigeria
>
>
> *ROLE AND RESPONSIBILITIES*
>
> · Monitoring new technologies and assessing their potential to
> become new products or services, Overseeing the selection of projects to
> insure that they have the potential to add value to the company, Explain
> company products and future plans to the trade media
>
> · Participating in government and industry groups
>
> · Integrating technology-based activities into the corporate
> strategy
>
> · Make decisions about which technologies are most likely to
> generate the highest rate of return
>
> · Deal with strategic decisions about the future direction of the
> company
>
> · Developing new products based on new technology
>
> · Improve our core Unlimited Internet Service offering
>
> · Must be able to communicate clearly and effectively with people
> from all types of backgrounds.
>
> *Requirements*
>
> This is an executive-level, highly responsible position directing TIZETI
> Inc. activities of communications, computer operations, systems management,
> and network administration and programming functions.
>
> · Minimum 7 years’ experience in the Wireless ISP or Telecom
> field and role in Senior Management.
>
> · Experience with Cisco Networking equipment
>
> · Experience with Ubiquiti and Cambium based Wireless Network
>
> · Experience running licensed and Mitigating interference in
> Unlicensed Frequencies wireless networks
>
> · Experience with MicroWave and mmWave networks
>
> · Working Knowledge of Linux
>
> · Knowledge of PHP is an Asset
>
> · Willing to work out of Lagos, Nigeria
>
>
>
> *APPLICATION PROCESS*
>
> Please send resume and cover letter to car...@tizeti.com
>  or reply
> to me.
>
>
>
> *About TIZETI*
>
> TIZETI Inc. dba Wifi.com.ng is the Wireless “ISP for Africa”. We are
> backed by Y Combinator and are leveraging the large wireless capacity
> available with Wi-fi and plummeting cost of solar panels to create a low
> capex/opex network of owned & operated towers to offer disruptive,
> customer-friendly pricing for unlimited internet. Our coverage is in Lagos,
> Nigeria and we are expanding to the South South Region as well as other
> cities in West Africa.
>
>
>
>