[AFMUG] OT Movie Review

[Chuck McCown]

Oceans 8

Meh

OK, Movie Pass made me not regret paying for it.
Just was not funny like the other Ocean movies.  

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik / Mimosa Ethernet Errors

[Chuck McCown]

Surge suppressors can certainly cause this.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 9, 2018, at 2:58 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
> 
> What suppressors?
> 
>> On 6/9/2018 3:23 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>> I have a A5C that is giving me grief.  I'm getting hundreds of Rx FCS errors 
>> on the Mikrotik when I'm running gigabit, if I force it to 100 fdx, the Rx 
>> FCS errors stop, but Rx Code errors start incrementing instead.  I've always 
>> gotten some amount of Rx FCS errors from Mimosa A5/A5C units, but not nearly 
>> this many.  It's starting to have an effect on service on the sector.
>> 
>> Any ideas what I should look at?  Some people were claiming that putting 
>> something like a Netonix in between the Mimosa and the Mikrotik solved their 
>> issues, but I'm wondering if the surge suppressors are creating an issue as 
>> well.
>> 
>> -Jason
> 

Re: [AFMUG] OSPF - How large can a flat network grow?

[Chuck McCown]

Yeah, nightmare...

From: Eric Kuhnke 
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2018 6:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OSPF - How large can a flat network grow?

He's talking about having all routers in OSPF area 0, not a truly flat L2 
broadcast-domain nightmare. 


On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 5:15 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  To me, flat network means all MACs are in the same broadcast domain.  
  That is what I did with my first Canopy system.  
  Did not even know what a VLAN was back then.  

  From: Gino A. Villarini 
  Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2018 5:47 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OSPF - How large can a flat network grow?

  Our network by all means is flat as all services converge into our core.  We 
started by using vlans and qinq but later migrated to mpls/vpls.

  Now watching evpn as the next step..

  From: Af  on behalf of Lewis Bergman 

  Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
  Date: Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 3:09 PM
  To: "af@afmug.com" 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OSPF - How large can a flat network grow?


  Gino would probably be your best source for advice as I'll bet he has one of 
the largest networks of similar construction. I think he went MPLS to deal with 
a variety of issues he was having, including OSPF. But maybe Gino can speak up 
on the issue.  
  Typically, if you didn't want to do anything else, you would consider iBGP 
and break the OSPF domains up in some logical way. The big determining factor 
for me for such things is the occurrence route flapping and how often it 
happens. Route flapping will be the big indicator that you are to big and OSPF 
can't keep up. You can do some tweaking but at some point it just all falls 
apart. The bad part about waiting till that happens is you will loose a lot of 
customers trying to make things stable again.
  I would think Denis also would have a much better informed path to take and 
I'll bet he would be happy to contract to help you. Probably money well spent.




Gino A. Villarini
   
President 
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 



  On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 1:40 PM Brough Turner  wrote:

We're an urban WISP with a dense mesh of wireless links and a router per 
building. I am concerned that, without paying attention, we have grown to 600+ 
routers and ~2550 routes in one OSPF domain. This network has a diverse mix of 
routers from CCR1036s down to RB750UPs. We're not having any OSPF problems at 
this time and I have plenty of other things to worry about, but I'd hate to hit 
some limit and have the whole thing blow up.

Does anyone have experience (positive or negative) with large flat OSPF 
networks?
And, if you have had problems, what were the problems?

Thanks,
Brough

Brough Turner
netBlazr Inc. – Free your Broadband!
Mobile:  617-285-0433   Skype:  brough
netBlazr Inc. | Google+ | Twitter | LinkedIn | Facebook | Blog | Personal 
website 

Re: [AFMUG] OSPF - How large can a flat network grow?

[Chuck McCown]

To me, flat network means all MACs are in the same broadcast domain.  
That is what I did with my first Canopy system.  
Did not even know what a VLAN was back then.  

From: Gino A. Villarini 
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2018 5:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OSPF - How large can a flat network grow?

Our network by all means is flat as all services converge into our core.  We 
started by using vlans and qinq but later migrated to mpls/vpls.

Now watching evpn as the next step..

From: Af  on behalf of Lewis Bergman 

Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 3:09 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OSPF - How large can a flat network grow?


Gino would probably be your best source for advice as I'll bet he has one of 
the largest networks of similar construction. I think he went MPLS to deal with 
a variety of issues he was having, including OSPF. But maybe Gino can speak up 
on the issue.  
Typically, if you didn't want to do anything else, you would consider iBGP and 
break the OSPF domains up in some logical way. The big determining factor for 
me for such things is the occurrence route flapping and how often it happens. 
Route flapping will be the big indicator that you are to big and OSPF can't 
keep up. You can do some tweaking but at some point it just all falls apart. 
The bad part about waiting till that happens is you will loose a lot of 
customers trying to make things stable again.
I would think Denis also would have a much better informed path to take and 
I'll bet he would be happy to contract to help you. Probably money well spent.



  Gino A. Villarini
 
  President 
  Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 




On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 1:40 PM Brough Turner  wrote:

  We're an urban WISP with a dense mesh of wireless links and a router per 
building. I am concerned that, without paying attention, we have grown to 600+ 
routers and ~2550 routes in one OSPF domain. This network has a diverse mix of 
routers from CCR1036s down to RB750UPs. We're not having any OSPF problems at 
this time and I have plenty of other things to worry about, but I'd hate to hit 
some limit and have the whole thing blow up.

  Does anyone have experience (positive or negative) with large flat OSPF 
networks?
  And, if you have had problems, what were the problems?

  Thanks,
  Brough

  Brough Turner
  netBlazr Inc. – Free your Broadband!
  Mobile:  617-285-0433   Skype:  brough
  netBlazr Inc. | Google+ | Twitter | LinkedIn | Facebook | Blog | Personal 
website 

Re: [AFMUG] Rohn 25

[Chuck McCown]

I have found that the more you start a sentence with “can you help me” the 
better it is.  

From: David Sovereen 
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2018 12:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rohn 25

I agree that those are the items to focus on with OSHA.


  Item 1:
  "The employer did not require a competent person to inspect."

Except that is incorrect.  The person who fell WAS a competent person.  He held 
a “Competent Climber” certification card from CITCA.  A significant portion of 
that training includes assessing if a tower is safe to climb in accordance with 
OSHAs rules.  A competent person is not a structural engineer.  A competent 
person is someone who has been trained on assessing if a tower is safe to climb 
in accordance with OSHAs rules.

  Item 2:
  "...the employer did not ensure complete personal fall arrest systems were 
properly used".

A policy was in place.  The person knew how to use it properly and was required 
by company policy to follow it.  Our Employee Handbook states under “Guidelines 
for Conduct” that “The following kinds of conduct are absolutely prohibited: … 
Violation of any and all safety rules.”  At some point, there needs to be 
personal accountability.

I agree that being humble and asking for help and guidance is the best 
approach, so I’ll show them what we’ve done up til now and see what they 
suggest for improvement.

David Sovereen
 
Mercury Network Corporation
2719 Ashman Street, Midland, MI 48640
989.837.3790 x151 office | 888.866.4638 toll free |  989.837.3780 fax
 
Telephone |  Internet  |  Security Alarm Monitoring

david.sover...@mercury.net
www.mercury.net


 


  On Jun 6, 2018, at 8:43 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
 wrote:



  In reading this citation there are two phrases which I think get to the meat 
of what the person writing the citation intended:

  Item 1:
  "The employer did not require a competent person to inspect."
  Item 2:
  "...the employer did not ensure complete personal fall arrest systems were 
properly used".

  I've bolded what I consider the two most relevant words.   The question I'd 
be asking is what policies were actually in place at the time of the accident, 
and what was the ramifications to the employee if they didn't follow them.
Evidently providing safety gear isn't enough, the employer is responsible to 
make sure that employees actually use them.   If you had policies in place that 
required the use of the gear, and took affirmative action when an employee was 
caught violating the policies, and have now re-verified that the gear met the 
requirements, I'd go back to OSHA and ask them, what you could have done 
differently considering you've done everything correctly.

  Go into it with the mindset that if you screwed up you're going to have to 
pay these fines (or at least what you can negotiate them down to), and that you 
really want to learn what you did to screw up.   If the answer is that you did 
everything right, it will be hard for them to continue with the fines.   If 
they find you did something wrong then talk to them about how to fix it.   I've 
heard story after story like this (fortunately never had to deal with it 
myself), and it seems that a learning/compliant attitude goes a long way toward 
them being willing to drop or decrease the fines.   I'm not saying to not 
correct incorrect information (such as the rohn 25 load rating), but instead to 
take what they say and try to understand whether or not you needed to make a 
correction.

  Be mindful that the people who work for OSHA have the job to make the 
workplace safer, and I'm sure that after a workplace death they feel like there 
should be something that could have been done differently.  Hopefully they'll 
come to the realization that you were doing everything you should have been 
doing, and that you've also learned a couple things which you can do above and 
beyond that, and as a result, the fine is dropped or reduced significantly.

  On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 10:10 AM, David Sovereen  
wrote:

Hi All,

A little background: We had an employee die late last year.  He climbed a 
Rohn 25 tower at a residential customer location and did not use his fall 
protection gear.  He went through safe climb training at CITCA, his fall 
protection gear was in his truck, and a co-worker with him told him to put his 
harness on, but he exercised poor judgement and climbed without it anyway.  He 
slipped, fell approximately 30 feet, and was pronounced dead about an hour 
later at the hospital.

We received two OSHA Citations today.  I’ve attached them. 




I spoke with the OSHA representative handling our matter on Friday.  He 
tells me that Rohn 25s have not been tested by the manufacturer to support 
5,000 lbs and therefore are not a suitable anchor point for securing oneself.  
He says all work on Rohn 25s must be done from a lift.  I think they are just 
trying to come up with reasons to fine us.

When I went 

Re: [AFMUG] List

[Chuck McCown]

To drink or not to drink.  Pros and cons
Pros
Buzz

Cons
Dick stops working, even the next day
Ugly women look good to you
You hit on ugly women
You can fu*k up your ability to get insurance or a drivers license
Hangovers
Puke mouth
Kissing a puke mouth
Beer goggles
Beer gut
Puking
Cleaning up Puke
Screwing your buddies wife
Waking up in jail for no apparent reason
Waking up in your car not knowing where you are
Waking up not knowing where you are
Discovering you bought many rounds for the whole bar on your credit card
Waking up with a new girlfriend that you don’t know.
Learning you were making out with a totally fugly girl that is old enough to be 
your mother.
Puking in public venues before thousands of people
Waking up face down in a bathtub thinking you are dead because all you can see 
is white.  
Did I mention that your dick stops working...

So I have been told...


From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2018 3:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List

i havent been drinking, so its ok 
thats a lie though
i have been drinking
and its not ok


On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 1:13 PM, Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

  Good to hear, I'm having withdrawals. 


  On Wednesday, June 6, 2018,  wrote:

I am in the process of moving it.  AWS or whatever is running on the AWS is 
getting progressively more and more flakey.  So, I have put it off long enough. 
 Domain will move to GoDaddy and the list will move to mailmanhost.com
Will probably take a few days.  

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2018 10:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] List

Is this list just done?  Seems to be off as much as on anymore.  Unless 
everyone is just outside as opposed to in front of a computer like me.

[AFMUG] Zumacom

[Chuck McCown]

Anyone know Zumacom in Cortez Colorado?

[AFMUG] 25 kM unlicensed

[Chuck McCown]

Which is better, Rocket 5AC + RocketDish LW
or
AF5X + AF-5G34-S45

?

Or some other brand.  Hauling out PTP to a customer.  Like to keep the 
bandwidth up but they are not currently asking for more than 100 Mbps.  

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Mapping - 2018

[Chuck McCown]

Price?

From: Mitch Koep 
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 6:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Mapping - 2018

https://www.ospinsight.com/desktop-overview




On 6/1/2018 4:12 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

  QGIS is very useful and open source (as in free).

  Nothing specific for fiber mapping in it but it could pretty easily be used 
for it if I was ambitious enough to put all the info in.

  Mark



On Jun 1, 2018, at 5:06 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

For basic needs, the advantage of doing mapping using Google Earth Pro is 
that most "serious" GIS packages support import and export to/from the XML 
format Google Earth uses. A line on the map on Google Earth or a 
multi-segmented line is just a collection of vector placemarks in a XML file 
with lat/long coordinates, with metadata describing the thickness of the line, 
the color of the line, how many intermediate points are on the line, and so 
forth.  

The best organizational advice I can give is to use folders and subfolders 
in Google Earth Pro appropriately to sort projects, so that you don't end up 
with a single folder that contains 500 unnamed lines. Might look fine when 
viewed on a map but can become an organization nightmare.

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 1:34 PM, Cassidy B. Larson  wrote:

  Last topic I see on this was from 2014. So maybe it’s time to review and 
ask again? What are you guys using for fiber mapping, now in 2018? 

  In 2014 I read:
  Craig was doing google earth and excel sheets.
  Chuck Hogg was using Manifold (kinda), and some Google Maps Engine.
  Mike H was using ArcMap for his clients.
  A few other google sheets. 


  What’s changed, what’s new, what’re you using today? Same as before?  
Something different? Why?


  -c

[AFMUG] OT TV Show

[Chuck McCown]

American Chopper is back.  Mondays.  Watched the first two episodes tonight.  
Philo.  $16/month

[AFMUG] OT Movie Solo

[Chuck McCown]

I liked it.  Critics are panning it but I thought it was as fun as most Star 
Wars movies.  

Somebody should have gotten shot under the table though.

Re: [AFMUG] Multiple cable wall pass-through

[Chuck McCown]

Plasma or acetylene. 

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2018 9:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Multiple cable wall pass-through

you want six cables in one hole or 6 holes? 1/2 inch glands is what i use on 
single cables, available at any hardware store, they have like 3/4" thread, so 
the lock nut would affix. Theyre cheaper in bulk than a hardware store, like 6 
for 30 bucks at hardware store or 50 for 100 bucks in bulk online

On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 3:48 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

  A 1" conduit bulkhead connector will do the trick. Attach a short length of 
conduit on the outside with a sweep. 


  If the nipple on the bulkhead connector is not long enough, you can get 
longer nipples at any hardware store (1" though 3 or 4 inches).


bp


On 5/25/2018 1:43 PM, Mike Davis wrote:

Any suggestions on where to get a cable wall pass-through for a 1/2" steel 
plate? I am out of ideas of where to try. I need to get 6 cat cables from the 
inside of a water tower to the outside at the top of the tower.

-- 
Mike Davis
General Manager
Office: 260-349-1799
Email: mikeda...@allianceinternet.net

Alliance Internet Communications | www.allianceinternet.net
PO Box 1100 | 1220 South Wayne Street | Angola, IN | 46703 | 260-349-1799

Re: [AFMUG] cambium POE brick

[Chuck McCown]

always use protection... yeah, good advice...

From: Dave 
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2018 9:37 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cambium POE brick

Bump,
the answer is no it does not and be sure to use additional surge protection 
Thank you cambium for the answer :)



On 05/25/2018 08:30 AM, Dave wrote:

  I am curious about the POE brick for the epmp units to see if they have some 
layer of surge protection in them.
  Does anyone know if the PN:N000900L001B POE injector has this?



  -- 



-- 

Re: [AFMUG] PVU-SLC

[Chuck McCown]

CAT IIIC even does automatic braking too.  So you end up stopped on the 
centerline.  Totally hands off.  Almost as good as a Tesla.  

From: Ron M. 
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 9:16 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PVU-SLC

Correct, we were in a CR7, not Cat IIIc capable. I think those things are only 
rated to Cat II.


On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 9:15 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  In the case of SLC, you cannot blame the airport or the weather.  The airport 
was upgraded for the Olympics to CAT-IIIC which means you can land as long as 
you have good enough visibility to taxi.  It is full auto land capable.  But 
the aircraft and crew must also be capable and not all are.  

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gthcuZV8agI

  From: Ron M. 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 9:05 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PVU-SLC

  Actually, I almost had one of those a couple months ago, ceilings and fog in 
SLC just barely lifted above minimums enough to let us get in. Otherwise it 
would have been a DEN-PVU-SLC trip.


  On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 8:34 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

That is one long flight!

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 9:10 PM
To: af 
Subject: [AFMUG] PVU-SLC

Never been on a flight with this segment before. .. 

Re: [AFMUG] PVU-SLC

[Chuck McCown]

In the case of SLC, you cannot blame the airport or the weather.  The airport 
was upgraded for the Olympics to CAT-IIIC which means you can land as long as 
you have good enough visibility to taxi.  It is full auto land capable.  But 
the aircraft and crew must also be capable and not all are.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gthcuZV8agI

From: Ron M. 
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 9:05 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PVU-SLC

Actually, I almost had one of those a couple months ago, ceilings and fog in 
SLC just barely lifted above minimums enough to let us get in. Otherwise it 
would have been a DEN-PVU-SLC trip.


On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 8:34 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  That is one long flight!

  From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 
  Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 9:10 PM
  To: af 
  Subject: [AFMUG] PVU-SLC

  Never been on a flight with this segment before. .. 

Re: [AFMUG] PVU-SLC

[Chuck McCown]

That is one long flight!

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 9:10 PM
To: af 
Subject: [AFMUG] PVU-SLC

Never been on a flight with this segment before. .. 

Re: [AFMUG] 8 mile link

[Chuck McCown]

Maybe leapfrog with some back to back rockets or picos or whatever is cheap at 
the treeline.  Solar powered.  

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 12:49 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 8 mile link

Yeah... but that only works if you have property access. 


On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 1:32 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  700’ of cable and use as high capacity radios as you want.  It really is not 
that far if you have property access.  

  From: Eric Kuhnke 
  Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 11:46 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 8 mile link

  Probably worth getting a spectrum analyzer that has 900 in its range, and a 
900 yagi, before spending the $2700+ on a 450i 900 AP and antenna. 

  For the original poster's problem I would try, if possible, moving up to 3' 
dishes on both ends, and ac based radios. And using a 10 MHz channel. Might 
have a better chance of getting a signal like -61 (not -71) and through "some" 
trees. 

  On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 10:31 AM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:

The problem with 900mhz, is that you never know if it's actually going to 
work in any given area until you try it.  If there are 900mhz smart meters 
around, don't even bother... but even if there aren't, 900mhz can be pretty 
unpredictable in my experience. If you do go 900mhz, PTP450 is definitely the 
best option.


On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 11:59 AM, Erich Kaiser 
<er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote:

  900 PTP 450 with KP Performance Antennas, I run mine 3 miles completely 
NLOS on 7 MHZ and it runs fine to my house.  During heavy rain and through 
heavy foliage (Currently) this is what I am getting 










  On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 11:53 AM, Dave <dmilho...@wletc.com> wrote:

Yeah, The 450i 900 system would definately do the trick 
How much bandwidth do you need?
The 900 on a 10Mhz channel we see around 35Mbs in a noisy environment 
on 8x/4xmimoB rate.
If your doing ptp with it then open it up to 20Mhz wide and bang on.
 


On 05/21/2018 10:49 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:

  Ok. I'll give those a try and see what happens. Thanks.

  Travis



  On 5/21/2018 9:37 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:

You could very likely get a bit more speed out of that by going to 
the new AC radios... my guess is that the airFibers would be even better, but I 
haven't used any of those in the 2.4ghz variety.



On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 10:31 AM, Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net> 
wrote:

  The current signal level is -71. I have a 2ft dish on each side.

  Travis



  On 5/21/2018 9:15 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:

Yeah... 900mhz PTP 450 is probably the best option.

What kind of signal level do you get with the 2.4ghz radios? 
you could probably get a bit more out of it by going to airFiber 2x or Rocket 
2AC radios... and maybe a bigger dish.


On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 10:09 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
<jeffl...@att.net> wrote:

  900 PTP 450 from Cambium

  Jeff Broadwick
  CTIconnect
  312-205-2519 Office
  574-220-7826 Cell
  jbroadw...@cticonnect.com


  > On May 21, 2018, at 11:05 AM, Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net> 
wrote:
  > 
  > Hi,
  > 
  > I'm looking for suggestions for an 8 mile link that will be 
shooting through a single wall of trees about 1/8 mile from one end of the 
link. Currently using 2.4ghz Ubnt radios. Works great during the winter, but 
once the trees fill back in, the link drops to about 5Mbps actual throughput. 
Would be nice to get 20Mbps.
  > 
  > Any suggestions? The trees are 80ft tall, so putting up a 
100ft tower at a residence is not really an option. The other side is on top of 
a 1000ft tall hill.
  > 
  > Travis
  > 










-- 

Re: [AFMUG] OT NOC server choice

[Chuck McCown]

208 x 30 = 6240 watts.

That is like having 4 portable electric heaters plugged in inside your rack.

Obviously they have to have HVAC capable of pumping that out of the building.  

From: Eric Kuhnke 
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 11:50 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT NOC server choice

In some older carrier hotel and IX sites it can be totally common to run out of 
power and air conditioning capacity in a suite before you run out of physical 
space. Or run into a power system bottleneck like needing a $70,000 NRC to 
upgrade new air conditioning and riser power capacity before you can add any 
more new 208V 20A or 208V 30A circuits. 

At a certain point it makes very logical operating-cost sense to consolidate a 
bunch of older 1RU servers down onto one, newer, physical much more powerful 
1RU system (such as a dual socket, 32-cores of Xeon with 128GB of RAM) running 
xen, kvm or esxi.

On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 5:47 AM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

  We utilize a combination of blade systems and 1U/2U servers …. Wouldn’t say 
blade systems are going away.  Basically the biggest sell point for them is 
space/power (footprint).  If space/power is at a premium (ie. 3rd party data 
center) and you need to put many servers into it then it can make sense …. In 
our case this is exactly why we continue to deploy Cisco ACS blade systems in 
particular – they work well and footprint is small.



  In areas where we have abundant space/power then 1U servers are preferred 



  Paul





  From: Af  on behalf of Josh Luthman 

  Reply-To: 
  Date: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 4:04 PM
  To: 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT NOC server choice



  Servers for what?



  Blades are kind of a thing of the past, I think.  It's way easier and cheaper 
to do something like HA with ESXi.






  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373



  On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 2:03 PM,  wrote:

I need a pair of servers, prefer DC powered but not absolutely stuck on 
that.  Like to have nice blade server system with hot standby etc.  Been some 
time since I spec’d out servers.  



Any suggestions?

Re: [AFMUG] 8 mile link

[Chuck McCown]

700’ of cable and use as high capacity radios as you want.  It really is not 
that far if you have property access.  

From: Eric Kuhnke 
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 11:46 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 8 mile link

Probably worth getting a spectrum analyzer that has 900 in its range, and a 900 
yagi, before spending the $2700+ on a 450i 900 AP and antenna. 

For the original poster's problem I would try, if possible, moving up to 3' 
dishes on both ends, and ac based radios. And using a 10 MHz channel. Might 
have a better chance of getting a signal like -61 (not -71) and through "some" 
trees. 

On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 10:31 AM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

  The problem with 900mhz, is that you never know if it's actually going to 
work in any given area until you try it.  If there are 900mhz smart meters 
around, don't even bother... but even if there aren't, 900mhz can be pretty 
unpredictable in my experience. If you do go 900mhz, PTP450 is definitely the 
best option.


  On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 11:59 AM, Erich Kaiser  
wrote:

900 PTP 450 with KP Performance Antennas, I run mine 3 miles completely 
NLOS on 7 MHZ and it runs fine to my house.  During heavy rain and through 
heavy foliage (Currently) this is what I am getting 










On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 11:53 AM, Dave  wrote:

  Yeah, The 450i 900 system would definately do the trick 
  How much bandwidth do you need?
  The 900 on a 10Mhz channel we see around 35Mbs in a noisy environment on 
8x/4xmimoB rate.
  If your doing ptp with it then open it up to 20Mhz wide and bang on.
   


  On 05/21/2018 10:49 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:

Ok. I'll give those a try and see what happens. Thanks.

Travis



On 5/21/2018 9:37 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:

  You could very likely get a bit more speed out of that by going to 
the new AC radios... my guess is that the airFibers would be even better, but I 
haven't used any of those in the 2.4ghz variety.



  On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 10:31 AM, Travis Johnson  wrote:

The current signal level is -71. I have a 2ft dish on each side.

Travis



On 5/21/2018 9:15 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:

  Yeah... 900mhz PTP 450 is probably the best option.

  What kind of signal level do you get with the 2.4ghz radios? you 
could probably get a bit more out of it by going to airFiber 2x or Rocket 2AC 
radios... and maybe a bigger dish.


  On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 10:09 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
 wrote:

900 PTP 450 from Cambium

Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com


> On May 21, 2018, at 11:05 AM, Travis Johnson  
wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm looking for suggestions for an 8 mile link that will be 
shooting through a single wall of trees about 1/8 mile from one end of the 
link. Currently using 2.4ghz Ubnt radios. Works great during the winter, but 
once the trees fill back in, the link drops to about 5Mbps actual throughput. 
Would be nice to get 20Mbps.
> 
> Any suggestions? The trees are 80ft tall, so putting up a 
100ft tower at a residence is not really an option. The other side is on top of 
a 1000ft tall hill.
> 
> Travis
> 










  -- 

Re: [AFMUG] 8 mile link

[Chuck McCown]

Put down a quarter mile of fiber or CAT5 until you are on the other side of 
the trees.



-Original Message- 
From: Travis Johnson

Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 9:05 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] 8 mile link

Hi,

I'm looking for suggestions for an 8 mile link that will be shooting
through a single wall of trees about 1/8 mile from one end of the link.
Currently using 2.4ghz Ubnt radios. Works great during the winter, but
once the trees fill back in, the link drops to about 5Mbps actual
throughput. Would be nice to get 20Mbps.

Any suggestions? The trees are 80ft tall, so putting up a 100ft tower at
a residence is not really an option. The other side is on top of a
1000ft tall hill.

Travis

Re: [AFMUG] spectrum customer calls me to fix their DVR

[Chuck McCown]

You could have posed as a spectrum CRS and told the guy he was too stupid to 
own a DVR and hung up the phone.  Or said we don’t support DVRs, only the WISPs 
do... or  or

From: Kurt Fankhauser 
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 7:34 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] spectrum customer calls me to fix their DVR

I had a person call me and just start telling me how their DVR wasn't working 
on their remote view app anymore, finally figured out they had Spectrum 
internet service and not my WISP service. I told him that since spectrum is a 
competitor i Wouldn't be able to help him with that and told him if he had 
service through me that I would definitely be able to help him with that. He 
got pissed and said he's not switching and hung up the phone. SMH

Re: [AFMUG] OT f**king microsoft

[Chuck McCown]

File Stream sucks.  Tried it.  
Backup N Sync is not going away.  But the conventional google drive will.  You 
have two options, file stream or backup n sync.  Backup n sync is almost 
identical to legacy google drive.  

From: Jesse Dupont 
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2018 7:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT f**king microsoft

That’s going away anyway. You need to switch to Google‘s Drive File Stream 
desktop client.




From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com>
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 7:34:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT f**king microsoft 

Latest windows update turns off Google Drive Sync!  Arrgh!

[AFMUG] OT f**king microsoft

[Chuck McCown]

Latest windows update turns off Google Drive Sync!  Arrgh!

[AFMUG] OT Movie Review

[Chuck McCown]

Deadpool2

It was good.  Almost as good as the first one.  If you liked the first one you 
will like this one too.  
Pseudo cameo by Stan Lee was not obvious to me when watching.  I looked it up.  

Now I want to see it again just so I can see if I can spot it.  

Re: [AFMUG] Flat Drop Aerial

[Chuck McCown]

I have run many spans of stuff called Rural C wire down country roads.  It is 
about the same size as flat fiber drop.  You do want to put twists in the span 
to keep it from dancing in the wind.  I cannot think of a reason for a 3 span 
limit.  I know of no limit unless it has to do with the way the strength member 
 distributes the stresses.  

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 6:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Flat Drop Aerial

I'm looking at running flat drop down a country road, possibly on poles.  The 
specs I've read say not to run more than 3 spans for some reason.  Has anyone 
done this?  Is their better attachment hardware than wedge clamps for this 
application? 

Thanks.

Jason

Re: [AFMUG] DWDM SFPs in a CWDM system

[Chuck McCown]

Hmmm.  I wonder if DWDM mux equipment has filters or something in it.  

From: Chris Fabien 
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 4:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DWDM SFPs in a CWDM system

You can, but we ran into compatability issues with 10G DWDM SFPs where the CWDM 
version worked fine, with fiberstore generic SFPs in mikrotik and Planet 
equipment. 

On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 6:10 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  Why could you not use DWDM SFPs into a CWDM mux if you spaced them out?  They 
are about $150 cheaper.  

[AFMUG] DWDM SFPs in a CWDM system

[Chuck McCown]

Why could you not use DWDM SFPs into a CWDM mux if you spaced them out?  They 
are about $150 cheaper.  

Re: [AFMUG] PTP800 ODU

[Chuck McCown]

If you butt a rectangular waveguide to a circular waveguide will have some 
return loss mismatch issues.


It would work to a certain extent but you will not have as much tx power as 
you should and you will have RX loss.


Yes, everything else is the same.  I would give it a try.  It will probably 
work in a pinch but best to fix it right for the long term.


-Original Message- 
From: George Skorup

Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 11:07 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] PTP800 ODU

Anybody know if an 11GHz PTP800 ODU will mate with a Trango dish? I know
the PTP800 ODUs are Remec rectangular, but the Trango dish is Remec
circular. But aren't the physical interface dimensions the same? The
Trango dish is just a round hole, so no plate to rotate to change polarity.

Got a dead ODU on an ApexPlus-11 and I think I can get my hands on a
PTP800 ODU-B. I know Cambium/Ceragon has single and dual pol IP20/PTP820
Remec adapters now, so we're debating whether to fix the one end with
this or just swap to PTP820's. 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: One space versus two spaces (again)

[Chuck McCown]

I believe that is right, but who decided to drop the second space when it 
was a word processor?  Doesn't make sense to me.


Somebody post Wang I suppose.  Wang was my first exposure to word 
processing.


Then AppleWriter.

Then P-Edit which became WordPerfect.

Then Word.

-Original Message- 
From: Seth Mattinen

Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2018 5:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: One space versus two spaces (again)

On 5/8/18 16:15, John Osmon wrote:

Stop worrying about typeface/font.  Just remember:
   "single space" separates words
   "double space" indicates the end of a sentence



For me it's quite literally a tell for how old someone is: before or
after typewriters. When we were taught typing in middle school it was
using computers and it was single space. I was *told* that on
typewriters it was two spaces. 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: One space versus two spaces (again)

[Chuck McCown]

Oxford comma got beat out of me in grade school for some reason.

Spacing is pretty important.  Tell me what this means:

Godisnowhere

-Original Message- 
From: John Osmon

Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2018 5:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: One space versus two spaces (again)

Stop worrying about typeface/font.  Just remember:
 "single space" separates words
 "double space" indicates the end of a sentence


If you fall for the "single space between sentences" rouse, you will
need to rely on context to differentiate a sentence ending, vs. the
space between words when you abbreviate something.

(e.g.  "vs." in my last sentence.)


I'll give up double spaces when I'm forced to give up oxford commas.
Until then, I'll use both make my prose easier to parse.  :-)



On Tue, May 08, 2018 at 08:29:50PM +, Carl Peterson wrote:

So if the variable width font you are using already includes the proper
amount of space after a period, about 1.5 "spaces", when you add an extra
space after a period are you really putting 2.5 "spaces" after the period.

On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 7:01 PM, SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net> wrote:

> I do 3 after a full stop.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino A. 
> Villarini

> *Sent:* Monday, May 7, 2018 6:09 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: One space versus two spaces (again)
>
>
>
> Im a rebel,  I use 3 spaces after a dot!   2 spaces after a coma!   Lol!
>
>
>
> *From: *Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of "li...@packetflux.com" <
> li...@packetflux.com>
> *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> *Date: *Monday, May 7, 2018 at 8:04 AM
> *To: *"af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: One space versus two spaces (again)
>
>
>
> I like spaces.
>
>
>
> But I want my tab key to add the correct amount of spaces for the 
> indent.

>
>
>
> Fortunately it seems that most editors I use to edit code have a setting
> to do just that.  The ones that don't are a pain in the rear since I'm 
> not
> consistent in the use of tabs vs spaces since I expect my editor to do 
> the

> right thing and treat the tab key as a 'insert a few spaces for me' key.
>
>
>
> As far as single or double spaces... well, I'm a double spacing person
> when I type, even though I know that a single space is considered 
> 'better'
> anymore due to modern typefaces inserting the correct amount of space 
> with
> only a single space.   HTML also ignores double spaces by default, so 
> most

> of the web runs on single spaces.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
>
> President
>
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> On Sun, May 6, 2018 at 8:25 PM, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
>
> Trivial stuff, the real meat is tabs versus spaces while programming...
>
> On 5/6/18 7:21 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Double spacers of the world unite.  Everybody else can get the fu*k off
> our lawn.
>
> -Original Message- From: ja...@remotelylocated.com
> Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 8:19 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: One space versus two spaces (again)
>
> You can tell someone's age by one or two spaces.  For me that is what I
> was taught and bugs the hell out of me when I see single space.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 6, 2018, at 5:49 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I remember there being a rather exuberant discussion a couple years ago
> about the advantages/disadvantages and goodness/badness of putting a 
> single
> space after a sentence versus putting two spaces. The debate rages on, 
> but
> this one study suggests that putting two spaces makes sentences easier 
> to

> read.
>
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/
> wp/2018/05/04/one-space-between-each-sentence-they-
> said-science-just-proved-them-wrong-2/?noredirect=on_
> term=.b61d35728d29
>
>
>
> --
>
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> 
<https://maps.google.com/?q=3577+Countryside+Road,+Helena,+MT+59602=gmail=g>
>
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>
> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian> 
> <http://facebook.com/packetflux>

>   <http://twitter.com/@packetflux>
>
>


--

Carl Peterson

*PORT NETWORKS*

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] Tower Climber Insurance Sources?

[Chuck McCown]

WC for climbers is probably 20-25% of the payroll rate.  
And you pay that whether or not you are climbing.

From: Sam Lambie 
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2018 4:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Tower Climber Insurance Sources?

Hey all, 

My company is getting charged an assload a year for one tower climber (me). 
Supposedly, I have been reclassified as a steel and tower erector and such our 
Workmans Comp and Insurance has doubled. Whom do you guys use and what are the 
ball park figures you are seeing? We would like to get out of this if the 
prices are substantially lower.

Thanks
Sam


-- 

-- 
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com

Re: [AFMUG] 48 vdc Inverteres for Data Room 6kw ?

[Chuck McCown]

I have used a lot of these over the years:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Exeltech-Mx-Series-N-1-Redundant-Expandable-Inverter-System-NSN-6130015361815/273164348175?hash=item3f99dd2b0f

From: Gino A. Villarini 
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2018 1:58 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] 48 vdc Inverteres for Data Room 6kw ?

Looking for 48 vdc inverters for data room applications in the range of 6-8 kw

Can be a all in one system ( charger plus Inverter) , must be always online 


  Gino A. Villarini
 
  President 
  Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 

Re: [AFMUG] 48 vdc Inverteres for Data Room 6kw ?

[Chuck McCown]

I have had bad luck with other alpha products.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2018 2:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 48 vdc Inverteres for Data Room 6kw ?

The Alpha technologies rep just left my office.
He was pointing me at AMPS-24
http://broadband.alpha.com/download/critical_facilities_power/ups_solutions/indoor_ups/single_phase_ups/alpha_modular_power_system/amps24_hp/amps24_hp_datasheet.pdf

I have no idea what it costs.  The "24" means 24kw max.  They also make an 80kw 
chassis.


-- Original Message --
From: "Gino A. Villarini" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 5/8/2018 3:58:01 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] 48 vdc Inverteres for Data Room 6kw ?

  Looking for 48 vdc inverters for data room applications in the range of 6-8 kw

  Can be a all in one system ( charger plus Inverter) , must be always online 



Gino A. Villarini
   
President 
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 

Re: [AFMUG] 48 vdc Inverteres for Data Room 6kw ?

[Chuck McCown]

Wonder what the minimal deployed cost is?

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2018 2:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 48 vdc Inverteres for Data Room 6kw ?

The Alpha technologies rep just left my office.
He was pointing me at AMPS-24
http://broadband.alpha.com/download/critical_facilities_power/ups_solutions/indoor_ups/single_phase_ups/alpha_modular_power_system/amps24_hp/amps24_hp_datasheet.pdf

I have no idea what it costs.  The "24" means 24kw max.  They also make an 80kw 
chassis.


-- Original Message --
From: "Gino A. Villarini" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 5/8/2018 3:58:01 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] 48 vdc Inverteres for Data Room 6kw ?

  Looking for 48 vdc inverters for data room applications in the range of 6-8 kw

  Can be a all in one system ( charger plus Inverter) , must be always online 



Gino A. Villarini
   
President 
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 

Re: [AFMUG] crowdsource troubleshooting

[Chuck McCown]

.375 amp per wire.  So .750 amp per pair.  
At least that is what I think I finally settled on.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2018 10:53 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] crowdsource troubleshooting

If that's right, would that mean 0.5amp on 4&5 and 0.25amp on 3&6,7&8 ?
Is it a 0.5amp fuse?


-- Original Message --
From: "Jeremy" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 5/8/2018 11:42:35 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] crowdsource troubleshooting

  No, that is not true, it adds an additional ground on 3&6.  So to obtain a 
gigabit connection you have + on 4&5 and - on 3&6, 7&8.  All of the present day 
UBNT gear is like this since they added gigabit Ethernet.  When we upgrade we 
add a jumper to 3&6 to get it to negotiate at gigabit, but they seem to operate 
at 100FDX without it.

  On Tue, May 8, 2018 at 9:30 AM, Jacob Turner  wrote:

The Prism Gen 2 uses "standard" UBNT passive 24v POE.  +4,5 -7,8.  I've 
seen netonix switches claiming as much as 12 watts draw from one when running.  
I wouldn't be surprised if their startup draw may be a bit higher.

On Tue, May 8, 2018 at 8:16 AM,  wrote:

  I need help in understanding a product failure.

  I have now had two customers with similar failures in my POE fuse 
product.  The fuses are blowing.  
  So far it is limited to the fuses on pins 4/5.

  One customer is using:
  UBNT 5AC Prism Gen 2 radio, Mikrotik 411 boards, using both poes and 
netonix as the power supply.

  What pins and polarities does that radio use for POE?  How much current?

  I may need higher rated fuses or slower fuses.  But I can only go so high 
before it is not protecting Netonix thus becoming an expensive CAT5 splice.  

  My ideas so far:

  I need a slower reacting fuse.

  I need a higher amp rating fuse.  (not sure how high I can go and still 
protect Netonix)

  Some loads have unanticipated currents on those wires.

  Plugging in when powered may cause a connection sequence problem where if 
pin 4 makes contact first the whole load will go through that wire and blow 
that fuse.

Re: [AFMUG] 48 vdc Inverteres for Data Room 6kw ?

[Chuck McCown]

I have always used exeltech but I am really curious as to what other options 
may be out there too.

I also need to be always online.  I build a transfer switch that cuts in 
commercial power if the inverter fails.  
That was pretty easy.

From: Gino A. Villarini 
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2018 1:58 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] 48 vdc Inverteres for Data Room 6kw ?

Looking for 48 vdc inverters for data room applications in the range of 6-8 kw

Can be a all in one system ( charger plus Inverter) , must be always online 


  Gino A. Villarini
 
  President 
  Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 

Re: [AFMUG] APC surge cards board size

[Chuck McCown]

There is nothing wrong with them, just feel a bit loose in the cage.  

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2018 10:16 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] APC surge cards board size

I had some of those too... I got them from Streakwave, around March, I think 
(although it's possible those were ones I had sitting here for awhile, and I 
got different ones then... I don't know for certain).


On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 11:12 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  Odd, we have not made those thin cards since last summer and only for a very 
short lived REV.  
  The jacks were so tall that even with the thin cards and removing some of the 
jack shield there was still a danger of touching the adjacent card.  So we went 
back to the older jacks.  

  Wonder who you got them from as that is pretty old stock.  I will replace 
them if you want.  

  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Monday, May 07, 2018 10:05 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: [AFMUG] APC surge cards board size

  Did anyone else notice the newest cards are much thinner than the new ones?  
They slide in/out of the WBMFG APC case a whole lot easier.  We did check a 
couple to make sure we had continuity from the shield to ground, so at least 
it's making connection still. 

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] APC surge cards board size

[Chuck McCown]

Odd, we have not made those thin cards since last summer and only for a very 
short lived REV.  
The jacks were so tall that even with the thin cards and removing some of the 
jack shield there was still a danger of touching the adjacent card.  So we went 
back to the older jacks.  

Wonder who you got them from as that is pretty old stock.  I will replace them 
if you want.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2018 10:05 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] APC surge cards board size

Did anyone else notice the newest cards are much thinner than the new ones?  
They slide in/out of the WBMFG APC case a whole lot easier.  We did check a 
couple to make sure we had continuity from the shield to ground, so at least 
it's making connection still. 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] OT: One space versus two spaces (again)

[Chuck McCown]

tabs, normally 5 but sometimes 3 wide.

-Original Message- 
From: Robert

Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 8:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: One space versus two spaces (again)

Trivial stuff, the real meat is tabs versus spaces while programming...

On 5/6/18 7:21 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Double spacers of the world unite.  Everybody else can get the fu*k off 
our lawn.


-Original Message- From: ja...@remotelylocated.com
Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 8:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: One space versus two spaces (again)

You can tell someone's age by one or two spaces.  For me that is what I 
was taught and bugs the hell out of me when I see single space.


Sent from my iPhone


On May 6, 2018, at 5:49 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:


I remember there being a rather exuberant discussion a couple years ago 
about the advantages/disadvantages and goodness/badness of putting a 
single space after a sentence versus putting two spaces. The debate rages 
on, but this one study suggests that putting two spaces makes sentences 
easier to read.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2018/05/04/one-space-between-each-sentence-they-said-science-just-proved-them-wrong-2/?noredirect=on_term=.b61d35728d29



--

bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: One space versus two spaces (again)

[Chuck McCown]

Double spacers of the world unite.  Everybody else can get the fu*k off our 
lawn.


-Original Message- 
From: ja...@remotelylocated.com

Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 8:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: One space versus two spaces (again)

You can tell someone's age by one or two spaces.  For me that is what I was 
taught and bugs the hell out of me when I see single space.


Sent from my iPhone


On May 6, 2018, at 5:49 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:


I remember there being a rather exuberant discussion a couple years ago 
about the advantages/disadvantages and goodness/badness of putting a 
single space after a sentence versus putting two spaces. The debate rages 
on, but this one study suggests that putting two spaces makes sentences 
easier to read.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2018/05/04/one-space-between-each-sentence-they-said-science-just-proved-them-wrong-2/?noredirect=on_term=.b61d35728d29



--

bp

Re: [AFMUG] OT: One space versus two spaces (again)

[Chuck McCown]

That was right out of the style guide I had to use in college.
Really don't remember which one it was.  Probably MLA.

But I always use two spaces.  Totally automatic.

-Original Message- 
From: Bill Prince

Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 6:49 PM
To: Motorola III
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: One space versus two spaces (again)


I remember there being a rather exuberant discussion a couple years ago
about the advantages/disadvantages and goodness/badness of putting a
single space after a sentence versus putting two spaces. The debate
rages on, but this one study suggests that putting two spaces makes
sentences easier to read.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2018/05/04/one-space-between-each-sentence-they-said-science-just-proved-them-wrong-2/?noredirect=on_term=.b61d35728d29



--

bp

Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Packetflux Powerinjector

[Chuck McCown]

Yep, ptp100 would go down to 8

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 6, 2018, at 4:13 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> I had a portable 12V battery that I would use for site surveys with the old 
> PMP100. I'm pretty sure they would function in the 8-10V region.
> 
> I know nothing about the ePMP radios. Trust George.
> 
> 
> bp
> 
> 
>> On 5/6/2018 2:33 PM, George Skorup wrote:
>> Original 5GHz integrated and connectorized are 14-30VDC, -4/5 +7/8 only.
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Feliz Cinco De Mayo, ya'all

[Chuck McCown]

Salud!

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2018 7:42 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] Feliz Cinco De Mayo, ya'all

Enjoying a cold one!!!


Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] OT Moviepass

[Chuck McCown]

Yes, still a great deal if you use it.  

From: Darin Steffl 
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2018 7:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Moviepass

Still only costs $2.50 per movie with the cap. And I believe it's 4 movies per 
month, not 1 per week. 

On Tue, May 1, 2018, 10:20 PM Cassidy B. Larson <c...@infowest.com> wrote:

  Also can’t see movies more than once now. Blows. 


  On May 1, 2018, at 18:48, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:


Notice that new subscribers only get one movie per week now.

[AFMUG] OT Moviepass

[Chuck McCown]

Notice that new subscribers only get one movie per week now.

Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Packetflux Powerinjector

[Chuck McCown]

If a surge suppressor gets wounded it can cause all kinds of problems.  As a 
sacrificial element, it is sometimes not clear if they have taken too many 
hits.  Best way to test is just bypass and see what happens.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 12:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Packetflux Powerinjector

It's probably 20-30 feet of cat5 at the most.  I've been doing 24v since day 
one and it's gone through a couple of winters now.  Thing is that we don't 
reboot when it's 5* and the batteries are all inside on the ground. 

Chuck...would epmp have problems here rebooting/not powering for a few minutes 
with bad SS cards?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 1:50 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:

  IIRC the issues are connected if the surge suppressors are in line. I dont 
recall if the ones we had that were rebooting were resolved with just the port 
speed or bypassing. 
  Using 48 v makes sure the EPMP doesnt freeze, they will with the 24, and if 
its long runs the power drop may be an issue too

  On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 12:42 PM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

No ethernet problems - it's POWER.



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 1:35 PM, Steve Jones  
wrote:

  If you have the old MT surge suppressors with EPMP there was an issue 
with this and negotiation. I believe current revisions have resolved it. Also, 
if you are only running 20mhz channels you dont need gigabit connectivity, so 
you can lock ports to 100mbps to help

  On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 12:16 PM, Josh Luthman 
 wrote:

I've got two of these with problems: 
http://store.packetflux.com/powerinjector-plus-sync-gigabit-version/ 

However one of these gives me no problems: 
http://store.packetflux.com/sitemonitor-4-channel-gigabit-poe-injector-controller/

I have a 24vdc plant going up the tower.  In the box it feeds these 
three Packetflux units.  The 4 channel POE injector has given me 0 problems.

I've got Cambium ePMP on the PowerInjector and it has been randomly? 
rebooting units for several months.  Yesterday one of the ports just decided to 
turn off for 20 minutes and come right back.  We've replaced the line & radio 
to make sure it's the box, but all signs point to it.

Has anyone else seen this or am I lucky in getting the only two units 
with power problems on them?  AFAIK sync has been just as reliable as the power 
through them.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

[AFMUG] OT Lux

[Chuck McCown]

I figured someone here has crossed this path before:

Going to add some security lighting to my equipment yard.  Working on the 
fence.  Then lights and cameras.  Looking for a good figure for how much 
illumination.  One of the googles returned a 5 lux for perimeters and 2.5 for 
the yard.


Anyone have any other figures they might like?  Going to put up some poles and 
parking lot LED fixtures.  Don’t want to waste money but it need to be bright 
enough to be a deterrent.  

Re: [AFMUG] Calix B6 - v6.2

[Chuck McCown]

You might ask Beehive Telephone.  They are changing out some B6 I think.  

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 6:45 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Calix B6 - v6.2

Does anyone have Calix B6 firmware? Version 6.2?

They've been trying for two weeks to find Version 6.2 that isn't for the 
B6-322, but they haven't been successful yet.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

Re: [AFMUG] Patch Design

[Chuck McCown]

I would have felt the pain by now...

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 2:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Patch Design

Do you know for sure that she doesn't?



bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 4/23/2018 12:55 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  So glad my wife does not read this list...

  From: Chuck McCown 
  Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 1:54 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Patch Design

  Well someone has to do the sewing



  (will I ever learn NOT to say these things...)

  From: Adam Moffett 
  Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 1:51 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Patch Design

  Yes.  The more the better.


  -- Original Message --
  From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 4/23/2018 3:39:47 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Patch Design

We gonna let girls join?

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 1:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Patch Design

Daisy Petals


https://www.girlscouts.org/content/dam/girlscouts-gsusa/forms-and-documents/our-program/insignia-list/what_daisies_do.pdf

Not a flower though. A base level training patch could be a shield shape 
(or whatever) and you add specific skills onto the shield.  Trainers or 
supervisors get a chevron.

Now it's Fiber Scouts of America.


-- Original Message --
    From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/23/2018 2:34:23 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Patch Design

  Have you thought of stripes?  If you have too many categories chevron 
stripes will help conserve space.  

  From: Ben Royer 
  Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 12:27 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Patch Design

  Haha, Thanks guys, yeah I’m planning on expanding on the patches more, 
something for like safe driver, or years of service, or other things.  I could 
see some pretty funny demoralizing patches too.. World’s Okayest 
Technician lol.

  Thank you,
  Ben Royer, Operations Manager
  Royell Communications, Inc.
  217-965-3699 www.royell.net

  From: Jay Weekley 
  Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 10:53 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Patch Design

  "Sometimes the best solution to morale problems is just to fire all of 
the unhappy people."

  https://despair.com/collections/demotivators/products/demotivation


  Adam Moffett wrote:

"Certified Morale Improvement Specialist"


-- Original Message --
From: "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/23/2018 11:28:06 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Patch Design

  The only morale boosting patch you need is one that says "The 
beatings will continue until morale improves"

  On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 10:21 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

That's a great idea.

-- Original Message --
From: "Ben Royer" <operati...@royell.net>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/23/2018 10:58:10 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Patch Design

  Just thought I’d share a little design I came up with for my 
climbers.  Found a place to make them fairly cheap for morale patches they can 
earn.

  Thank you,
  Ben Royer, Operations Manager
  Royell Communications, Inc.
  217-965-3699 www.royell.net


 Virus-free. www.avg.com  



  -- 
  Jay Weekley 
  Cyber Broadband 

Re: [AFMUG] Patch Design

[Chuck McCown]

So glad my wife does not read this list...

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 1:54 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Patch Design

Well someone has to do the sewing



(will I ever learn NOT to say these things...)

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 1:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Patch Design

Yes.  The more the better.


-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/23/2018 3:39:47 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Patch Design

  We gonna let girls join?

  From: Adam Moffett 
  Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 1:37 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Patch Design

  Daisy Petals

  
https://www.girlscouts.org/content/dam/girlscouts-gsusa/forms-and-documents/our-program/insignia-list/what_daisies_do.pdf

  Not a flower though. A base level training patch could be a shield shape (or 
whatever) and you add specific skills onto the shield.  Trainers or supervisors 
get a chevron.

  Now it's Fiber Scouts of America.


  -- Original Message --
  From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 4/23/2018 2:34:23 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Patch Design

Have you thought of stripes?  If you have too many categories chevron 
stripes will help conserve space.  

From: Ben Royer 
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 12:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Patch Design

Haha, Thanks guys, yeah I’m planning on expanding on the patches more, 
something for like safe driver, or years of service, or other things.  I could 
see some pretty funny demoralizing patches too.. World’s Okayest 
Technician lol.

Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net

From: Jay Weekley 
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 10:53 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Patch Design

"Sometimes the best solution to morale problems is just to fire all of the 
unhappy people."

https://despair.com/collections/demotivators/products/demotivation


Adam Moffett wrote:

  "Certified Morale Improvement Specialist"


  -- Original Message --
  From: "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 4/23/2018 11:28:06 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Patch Design

The only morale boosting patch you need is one that says "The beatings 
will continue until morale improves"

On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 10:21 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

  That's a great idea.

  -- Original Message --
  From: "Ben Royer" <operati...@royell.net>
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 4/23/2018 10:58:10 AM
  Subject: [AFMUG] Patch Design

Just thought I’d share a little design I came up with for my 
climbers.  Found a place to make them fairly cheap for morale patches they can 
earn.

Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net


   Virus-free. www.avg.com  



-- 
Jay Weekley 
Cyber Broadband 

Re: [AFMUG] Patch Design

[Chuck McCown]

Well someone has to do the sewing



(will I ever learn NOT to say these things...)

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 1:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Patch Design

Yes.  The more the better.


-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/23/2018 3:39:47 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Patch Design

  We gonna let girls join?

  From: Adam Moffett 
  Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 1:37 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Patch Design

  Daisy Petals

  
https://www.girlscouts.org/content/dam/girlscouts-gsusa/forms-and-documents/our-program/insignia-list/what_daisies_do.pdf

  Not a flower though. A base level training patch could be a shield shape (or 
whatever) and you add specific skills onto the shield.  Trainers or supervisors 
get a chevron.

  Now it's Fiber Scouts of America.


  -- Original Message --
  From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 4/23/2018 2:34:23 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Patch Design

Have you thought of stripes?  If you have too many categories chevron 
stripes will help conserve space.  

From: Ben Royer 
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 12:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Patch Design

Haha, Thanks guys, yeah I’m planning on expanding on the patches more, 
something for like safe driver, or years of service, or other things.  I could 
see some pretty funny demoralizing patches too.. World’s Okayest 
Technician lol.

Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net

From: Jay Weekley 
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 10:53 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Patch Design

"Sometimes the best solution to morale problems is just to fire all of the 
unhappy people."

https://despair.com/collections/demotivators/products/demotivation


Adam Moffett wrote:

  "Certified Morale Improvement Specialist"


  -- Original Message --
  From: "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 4/23/2018 11:28:06 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Patch Design

The only morale boosting patch you need is one that says "The beatings 
will continue until morale improves"

On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 10:21 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

  That's a great idea.

  -- Original Message --
  From: "Ben Royer" <operati...@royell.net>
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 4/23/2018 10:58:10 AM
  Subject: [AFMUG] Patch Design

Just thought I’d share a little design I came up with for my 
climbers.  Found a place to make them fairly cheap for morale patches they can 
earn.

Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net


   Virus-free. www.avg.com  



-- 
Jay Weekley 
Cyber Broadband 

Re: [AFMUG] Patch Design

[Chuck McCown]

We gonna let girls join?

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 1:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Patch Design

Daisy Petals

https://www.girlscouts.org/content/dam/girlscouts-gsusa/forms-and-documents/our-program/insignia-list/what_daisies_do.pdf

Not a flower though. A base level training patch could be a shield shape (or 
whatever) and you add specific skills onto the shield.  Trainers or supervisors 
get a chevron.

Now it's Fiber Scouts of America.


-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/23/2018 2:34:23 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Patch Design

  Have you thought of stripes?  If you have too many categories chevron stripes 
will help conserve space.  

  From: Ben Royer 
  Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 12:27 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Patch Design

  Haha, Thanks guys, yeah I’m planning on expanding on the patches more, 
something for like safe driver, or years of service, or other things.  I could 
see some pretty funny demoralizing patches too.. World’s Okayest 
Technician lol.

  Thank you,
  Ben Royer, Operations Manager
  Royell Communications, Inc.
  217-965-3699 www.royell.net

  From: Jay Weekley 
  Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 10:53 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Patch Design

  "Sometimes the best solution to morale problems is just to fire all of the 
unhappy people."

  https://despair.com/collections/demotivators/products/demotivation


  Adam Moffett wrote:

"Certified Morale Improvement Specialist"


-- Original Message --
From: "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/23/2018 11:28:06 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Patch Design

  The only morale boosting patch you need is one that says "The beatings 
will continue until morale improves"

  On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 10:21 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

That's a great idea.

-- Original Message --
From: "Ben Royer" <operati...@royell.net>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/23/2018 10:58:10 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Patch Design

  Just thought I’d share a little design I came up with for my 
climbers.  Found a place to make them fairly cheap for morale patches they can 
earn.

  Thank you,
  Ben Royer, Operations Manager
  Royell Communications, Inc.
  217-965-3699 www.royell.net


 Virus-free. www.avg.com  



  -- 
  Jay Weekley 
  Cyber Broadband 

Re: [AFMUG] Patch Design

[Chuck McCown]

Have you thought of stripes?  If you have too many categories chevron stripes 
will help conserve space.  

From: Ben Royer 
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 12:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Patch Design

Haha, Thanks guys, yeah I’m planning on expanding on the patches more, 
something for like safe driver, or years of service, or other things.  I could 
see some pretty funny demoralizing patches too.. World’s Okayest 
Technician lol.

Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net

From: Jay Weekley 
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 10:53 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Patch Design

"Sometimes the best solution to morale problems is just to fire all of the 
unhappy people."

https://despair.com/collections/demotivators/products/demotivation


Adam Moffett wrote:

  "Certified Morale Improvement Specialist"


  -- Original Message --
  From: "Steve Jones" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 4/23/2018 11:28:06 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Patch Design

The only morale boosting patch you need is one that says "The beatings will 
continue until morale improves"

On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 10:21 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

  That's a great idea.

  -- Original Message --
  From: "Ben Royer" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 4/23/2018 10:58:10 AM
  Subject: [AFMUG] Patch Design

Just thought I’d share a little design I came up with for my climbers.  
Found a place to make them fairly cheap for morale patches they can earn.

Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net


   Virus-free. www.avg.com  



-- 
Jay Weekley 
Cyber Broadband 

Re: [AFMUG] OT One for the borg

[Chuck McCown]

Thanks, I think I will stick to the 11 for now.  

From: Chris Fabien 
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 8:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT One for the borg

13.5 kinks easier too, especially 1". Even tho ote stiffer it's easier to get 
sdr11 placed and routed into peds/handholds without linking. 

On Mon, Apr 23, 2018, 9:51 AM Chuck Hogg  wrote:

  The 13.5 tends to squish a little more than 11.  If it sits outside long 
enough, it is a bit more brittle too.  We've had some minor issues where 
plowing in rocky areas and the rocks can sometimes squish it.

  Regards,
  Chuck

  On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 12:18 PM,  wrote:

You get 5000 feet on 7 foot reels too.  It is lighter.  Lots of good 
reasons to use it.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 10:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT One for the borg

I don't know jack about the duct, but 2c per foot?  $2,000 over 20 miles.

If you still need the thicker wall in some circumstances, then you might 
lose two grand in the cost of stocking and shipping and handling two rolls of 
tube vs one roll of tube.  

The first time somebody brings the wrong roll to a job site and has to go 
back, then you've lost more than two grand of productivity.  Seems like it 
couldn't be worth it to me.  But I don't know jack.

-Adam



-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/20/2018 11:11:36 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] OT One for the borg

  I am considering using some SDR 13.5 duct where I have always used SDR11 
before.

  The DR stands for diameter ratio.  Ratio between wall thickness and outer 
diameter (I think).  Higher numbers mean thinner wall thickness.

  Others use the 13.5 unless they get into rocky areas.  I am a bit gunshy 
as the cost is only about 2 cents per foot different.  
  Anyone here have any experiences they can relate?

Re: [AFMUG] Trouble/Support Ticketing

[Chuck McCown]

Yeah, that asterisk recording has helped us a bunch of times.  Especially when 
folks get stupid.

From: Layne Sisk 
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 5:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trouble/Support Ticketing

A couple of the features that I think make it appealing:

 

  1.. Decision Tree process 
  2.. Built in tools like the Router emulators 
  3.. The ability to have a customer text in a picture and have it attached to 
the ticket 
  4.. Ability to assign to not only individuals but also to groups 
  5.. The integration with Asterisk to have call recordings attached to tickets 
  6.. Automatic assignment of escalations to the appropriate department based 
on the issue.
 

Powercode and Sonar’s are great, but IssueTracker just has things built very 
specifically for customer service.  PC and Sonar have been very helpful in 
building integrations so it is basically seamless between IssueTracker or 
either of those systems.   

 

Layne Sisk

ServerPlus

801.426.8283, ext 102









   

 

From: Af  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 12:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trouble/Support Ticketing

 

Layne,

 

If it's something you're able to discuss on list, can you summarize what 
advantages IssueTracker would give us over the built in ticketing in Powercode 
or Sonar?

 

Thanks,

Adam

 

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Layne Sisk" 

To: "af@afmug.com" 

Sent: 4/19/2018 1:39:05 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trouble/Support Ticketing

 

  Hit me up if you want some info on IssueTracker.  It is what we used 
internally and we do license it (or give it away free for the companies we 
support).  It has full integration with Zendesk, Powercode, Sonar, UBO, and has 
pretty good integration available with SalesForce and Sugar CRM.  

   

  Layne Sisk

  ServerPlus

  801.426.8283, ext 102









 

   

  From: Af  On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart
  Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 9:18 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trouble/Support Ticketing

   

  The company I used to work for had custom ticketing that would intergrate 
into powercode I believe it was all done with API so if any of these open 
source ticket software have API you should be able to put it into your billing 
sytstem if the system have API.

  Tim

   

   

   




-Original Message-
From: "Matt Hoppes" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 04/19/18 08:48
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trouble/Support Ticketing

Well and they're in is the problem. There is no link between Zendesk and 
power code other than the customer name and email address. But not finding a 
perfect solution in a billing system this is the solution we have thus far. At 
least it aggregates all means of communication into one ticket system that we 
can use internally


On Apr 19, 2018, at 08:33, Gino A. Villarini  wrote:

  Nice, but how do you integrate it with the customer info you need to have 
on hand? 

   

  From: Af  on behalf of Matt Hoppes 

  Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
  Date: Thursday, April 19, 2018 at 8:20 AM
  To: "af@afmug.com" 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trouble/Support Ticketing

   

  Check out Zendesk it will integrate with many things. We have Zendesk 
integrated with our text messages and Facebook page.

  The only thing in power code or call logs when someone calls in but 
there's no reason you couldn't create a new ticket in Zendesk and link it to 
the customers email address. You can create a new account in Zendesk for the 
customer if you need to, or if they've ever emailed in before they will already 
have an account.

   

 

Gino A. Villarini
   
President
   
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
   

  

  On Apr 19, 2018, at 07:50, Darin Steffl  wrote:

I'm afraid of having too many places for tickets so we're trying to 
decide on one place. I don't want email tickets in zendesk, phone call tickets 
in Azotel, texts in zipwhip, and Facebook messages on Facebook.

 

I'd really love an easy way (doesn't need to be free) to combine all 
our support methods into one spot so we don't lose or forget things. 

 

On Thu, Apr 19, 2018, 12:14 PM Matt Hoppes 
 wrote:

  You can open a ticket in Zendesk. 

   

  Do you mean open a ticket the customer can refer to or for you to 
track?  I guess you could do either. 

   

  We sometimes open tickets in zendesk to email the customer. Really 

Re: [AFMUG] MTOW clamps

[Chuck McCown]

Angle iron units have the word angle in the part number. Perhaps they 
mis-shipped.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 18, 2018, at 8:24 PM, Seth Mattinen <se...@rollernet.us> wrote:
> 
>> On 4/18/18 7:16 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> The M-TOW products that are made for angle iron tower legs have a flat back 
>> clamp.  But the others are still the curved clamp.  We could have had a 
>> packing error in final assembly I suppose.
> 
> 
> Oh, then I got the wrong one, I've never seen the angle iron tower ones. 
> Ordered from Streakwave. M-TOW-P-48

Re: [AFMUG] MTOW clamps

[Chuck McCown]

Shoot me an address and we will get a replacement headed your way.  

-Original Message- 
From: Seth Mattinen 
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 6:51 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] MTOW clamps 

When did the MTOW start using flat plate clamps instead of the curvy 
ones? I liked the curvy ones. I guess the flat plates are cheaper?

Re: [AFMUG] MTOW clamps

[Chuck McCown]

The M-TOW products that are made for angle iron tower legs have a flat back 
clamp.  But the others are still the curved clamp.  We could have had a 
packing error in final assembly I suppose.


-Original Message- 
From: Seth Mattinen

Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 6:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] MTOW clamps

When did the MTOW start using flat plate clamps instead of the curvy
ones? I liked the curvy ones. I guess the flat plates are cheaper? 

[AFMUG] OT Google News

[Chuck McCown]

I wish there was a way to block all news sources from ever again presenting 
anything on the Kardasian Jenner West families  arrgh.  

Daily, multiple things.  Those guys are masters at self promotion.  

Re: [AFMUG] MTOW clamps

[Chuck McCown]

Huh?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 18, 2018, at 6:51 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
> 
> When did the MTOW start using flat plate clamps instead of the curvy ones? I 
> liked the curvy ones. I guess the flat plates are cheaper?

Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[Chuck McCown]

Yep, like a bad piece of firmware.  It is a root kit for the brain.

-Original Message- 
From: Nate Burke

Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 1:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

I thought I heard somewhere that any use of Meth, even once, permanently
alters the brain chemistry.  So it's not a 'recreational' drug, and why
it's so addictive.

On 4/17/2018 2:11 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
Anything that makes me not want to eat or sleep isn't for me.  I like 
those too much.


Chuck McCown wrote:
If I am going to use bath salts, they are called Epsom and they are 
dissolved in hot water...

Not really clear what they mean by bath salts.

I was prescribed Xanax once.  Made me sleepy.
Pot was not my thing back in the 70s...
(I preferred Olympia, Blitz, Rainier, Hamms, Miller, Heineken, Henry 
Winehards Private Reserve...)


Not really sure what meth does to you but I know it is horribly addictive 
and ruins everyone that gets hooked.
I guess it is a version of speed.  But no direct experience with that 
either.  Not wanting anything that cause my hear to race.

Coke Zero does that enough for me.

My wife lived on Oxy after a pair of horrific surgeries (decompression of 
the spine, harrington rods, 14 lag screws into her vertebrae).

But she didn't get hooked.  Claimed it worked really well.

-Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 12:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

I understand opiods, Xanax and pot but meth just doesn't sound like fun
and bath salts has to be the lowest of lows.  Granted, all I know about
bath salts are the videos I've come across.

Steve Jones wrote:
They released the report, they seized appox 70 grams of xanax, 16 doses 
od suboxone (essentially heroin) 11.8 grams of bath salts. other misch 
controlled substance pills as well as delivery of meth charges.

fucking bath salts

On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 8:18 AM, Dave <dmilho...@wletc.com 
<mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote:


I hear the same shit as lewis and the sheriff mentioned that Every
vehicle that is pulled over has some form of drug or paraphernalia
in it.
Meth is the demon drug that will cause even the most humble become
demented.
A peer of my rank in the army said "That some were just not meant
to breed!" We laughed about it but I do believe there is some
truth to that.



On 04/15/2018 05:11 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

I think Meth answers all your "why" questions. Since I deal with
almost every sheriff in and most every drug focused law
enforcement I hear a lot of their stories. One of them tells me
that 95%+ of crime is drug related. CPS type problems they put at
about 80% with the remaining 15% made of of perverts that should
probably be castrated upon a verdict.

On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 10:03 AM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

I had a similar situation.  Rather my wife did.  We took the
kids in (her sister�s kids).
Very similar situation, neglected, abused, drugs etc.
One of the parents got them back for a while, then the other.
Those kids still think of my wife as �mom�.  They are all
grown up with grandkids of their own now.
One of them is a solid cop in Reno. The other has not turned
out so well.
The world needs standup guys like you.
*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Saturday, April 14, 2018 11:00 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents
You folks get my vent because i cant anywherr else. So like 7
years ago we took in my old ladys nephews because, well
fuckwit parents. FYI the foster care system is aweful. We
fostered them for a year and half while her brother and baby
momma sorted their shit, or so we thought. The 18 month old
at the time had a club foot, i had to build a sleeping rig
with some shoes with the ankles hooked together and the toes
locked outward with a ruler, i worked his legs in and out til
his hip popped one night, i thought i broke his hip, but it
was just something going back. The 4 year old you couldbt
understand cause they thought baby talk was cute so they
never taught him to speak. We fixed that, and that was the
least bad of the fuckery. This was me, the old lady,
a1,2,4,and 5 year old with our 2 in a tiny 2 bedroom.
Finally got these boys shaped up and bought a house for room,
and a week later they gave them back to the mom. The old
ladies brother never did what he was supposed to.
Now today was their grandmas (my old ladies step moms)
funeral, so whats this trashcan do? Gets arrested for selling
fucking meth
So dealing with all that comes with 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[Chuck McCown]

If I am going to use bath salts, they are called Epsom and they are 
dissolved in hot water...

Not really clear what they mean by bath salts.

I was prescribed Xanax once.  Made me sleepy.
Pot was not my thing back in the 70s...
(I preferred Olympia, Blitz, Rainier, Hamms, Miller, Heineken, Henry 
Winehards Private Reserve...)


Not really sure what meth does to you but I know it is horribly addictive 
and ruins everyone that gets hooked.
I guess it is a version of speed.  But no direct experience with that 
either.  Not wanting anything that cause my hear to race.

Coke Zero does that enough for me.

My wife lived on Oxy after a pair of horrific surgeries (decompression of 
the spine, harrington rods, 14 lag screws into her vertebrae).

But she didn't get hooked.  Claimed it worked really well.

-Original Message- 
From: Jay Weekley

Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 12:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

I understand opiods, Xanax and pot but meth just doesn't sound like fun
and bath salts has to be the lowest of lows.  Granted, all I know about
bath salts are the videos I've come across.

Steve Jones wrote:
They released the report, they seized appox 70 grams of xanax, 16 doses od 
suboxone (essentially heroin) 11.8 grams of bath salts. other misch 
controlled substance pills as well as delivery of meth charges.

fucking bath salts

On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 8:18 AM, Dave <dmilho...@wletc.com 
<mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote:


I hear the same shit as lewis and the sheriff mentioned that Every
vehicle that is pulled over has some form of drug or paraphernalia
in it.
Meth is the demon drug that will cause even the most humble become
demented.
A peer of my rank in the army said "That some were just not meant
to breed!" We laughed about it but I do believe there is some
truth to that.



On 04/15/2018 05:11 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

I think Meth answers all your "why" questions. Since I deal with
almost every sheriff in and most every drug focused law
enforcement I hear a lot of their stories. One of them tells me
that 95%+ of crime is drug related. CPS type problems they put at
about 80% with the remaining 15% made of of perverts that should
probably be castrated upon a verdict.

On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 10:03 AM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

I had a similar situation.  Rather my wife did.  We took the
kids in (her sister’s kids).
Very similar situation, neglected, abused, drugs etc.
One of the parents got them back for a while, then the other.
Those kids still think of my wife as “mom”.  They are all
grown up with grandkids of their own now.
One of them is a solid cop in Reno. The other has not turned
out so well.
The world needs standup guys like you.
*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Saturday, April 14, 2018 11:00 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents
You folks get my vent because i cant anywherr else. So like 7
years ago we took in my old ladys nephews because, well
fuckwit parents. FYI the foster care system is aweful. We
fostered them for a year and half while her brother and baby
momma sorted their shit, or so we thought. The 18 month old
at the time had a club foot, i had to build a sleeping rig
with some shoes with the ankles hooked together and the toes
locked outward with a ruler, i worked his legs in and out til
his hip popped one night, i thought i broke his hip, but it
was just something going back. The 4 year old you couldbt
understand cause they thought baby talk was cute so they
never taught him to speak. We fixed that, and that was the
least bad of the fuckery. This was me, the old lady,
a1,2,4,and 5 year old with our 2 in a tiny 2 bedroom.
Finally got these boys shaped up and bought a house for room,
and a week later they gave them back to the mom. The old
ladies brother never did what he was supposed to.
Now today was their grandmas (my old ladies step moms)
funeral, so whats this trashcan do? Gets arrested for selling
fucking meth
So dealing with all that comes with a funeral, we had to be
late dealing with the child services people. Get all that
squared away, get through the funeral and now find out we
also get the joy of headlice.
Seriously, fucking shit fuck. How do people do this shit to
kids, theyre not just a thing you have while doing other things.
Im not lawfully allowed to discuss any of this with anyone
who is remotely involved, i figure none of you are.
But seriously, what the fuck, you get your kids back and sell

Re: [AFMUG] OT Fun

[Chuck McCown]

Cheap routers plugged in here and there to announce goofy SSIDs could be a 
whole lot of fun/chaos/alarm...

ISIS Unit 1

ANFO Detonator #1

SARAN Release Valve Controller

Hello NSA, just joking around here...

From: Chris Fabien 
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 11:23 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Fun

This is about 20 min from us yea it really happened!

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 1:08 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  ODD NEWS

  Name of Wi-Fi network prompts gym evacuation

  Saginaw Township, Mich.

  • A Michigan gym patron looking for a Wi-Fi connection found one named 
“remote detonator,” prompting an evacuation and precautionary search of the 
facility by a bomb-sniffing dog. The Saginaw News reported nothing was found in 
the search Sunday at Planet Fitness in Saginaw Township, about 85 miles 
northwest of Detroit. Saginaw Township police Chief Donald Pussehl says the 
patron brought the Wi-Fi connection’s name to the attention of a manager, who 
evacuated the building and called police. The gym was closed for about three 
hours as police responded. Pussehl says there’s “no crime or threat,” so no 
charges are expected. He notes people often have odd names for Wi-Fi 
connections. Planet Fitness says the manager was following company procedure 
for when there’s suspicion about a safety issue.

[AFMUG] OT Fun

[Chuck McCown]

ODD NEWS

Name of Wi-Fi network prompts gym evacuation

Saginaw Township, Mich.

• A Michigan gym patron looking for a Wi-Fi connection found one named “remote 
detonator,” prompting an evacuation and precautionary search of the facility by 
a bomb-sniffing dog. The Saginaw News reported nothing was found in the search 
Sunday at Planet Fitness in Saginaw Township, about 85 miles northwest of 
Detroit. Saginaw Township police Chief Donald Pussehl says the patron brought 
the Wi-Fi connection’s name to the attention of a manager, who evacuated the 
building and called police. The gym was closed for about three hours as police 
responded. Pussehl says there’s “no crime or threat,” so no charges are 
expected. He notes people often have odd names for Wi-Fi connections. Planet 
Fitness says the manager was following company procedure for when there’s 
suspicion about a safety issue.

Re: [AFMUG] OT One for the borg

[Chuck McCown]

In my area, all the storage companies are booked solid.
Yes, nice security fence.  The software allows them to open the gate with their 
phone.
Cameras, lights, DVR etc.  

But, I have a storage company wanting to buy the dirt right now.  So I might 
just sell the dirt.  

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 6:36 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT One for the borg

I own a small storage business called 277 Storage. First I would say, there is 
storage business software that wraps this all up for you. For something of that 
scale, I would think the ROI of that software is prohibitive, but likely less 
so than doing it yourself with what I assume your time is worth. At least that 
was the case last time I looked. There is somebody in Utah that claims to have 
software a small business like you describe could afford.  

The second thing I would say is I wouldn't do it with conex boxes. While I Like 
those containers and they are generally tighter than purpose built storage 
buildings, they turn renters off. Every site I have seen with them looks a bit 
dodgy and people seem to expect to pay less for those sites. A fence would  be 
advisable. Units without fencing get burglary attempts than non fenced. I think 
it is likely due to the perception thieves have about the rest of the attitude 
on security.

Maybe I am wrong but the people who call me are more worried about security 
than price. I would also suggest putting up a HikVision, or if you prefer, 
Ubiquiti, camera system as well. Even a fake camera system would be worth the 
effort. Lastly, Throw all that out if this land isn't in a good location and 
just use conex boxes. Storage is a real estate business similar to others and 
if the location isn't good you will fight that uphill battle. If there are a 
lot of businesses in the area they may like those for storage. Don't know. We 
have had really good results with our warehouse storage. Call if you want to 
talk about it.

On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 10:04 PM Brian Webster  wrote:

  I rented an apartment in California years ago where the gate control had the 
ability for a visitor to hit an intercom button for your unit and it would dial 
the number they had programmed in to the system, you could answer the phone and 
enter a touch tone command to open the gate





  Thank You,

  Brian Webster

  www.wirelessmapping.com

  www.Broadband-Mapping.com



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Monday, April 16, 2018 11:40 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT One for the borg



  Thinking of arranging about 50 conex containers on some commercial land I own 
and renting them out for storage.

  I want software where they will go online, see vacancies, rent, auto pay etc. 
 Totally hands off.  Even like a phone app to open the gate for them when they 
want to get into the place.  



  Hate to develop code for this.  It has to exist out in the world somewhere...



  Any ideas.  

Re: [AFMUG] OT One for the borg

[Chuck McCown]

$39/month
And it does everything you could possibly imagine.  
Totally hands off, no people required, no interaction with the customer 
required.  

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 6:36 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT One for the borg

I own a small storage business called 277 Storage. First I would say, there is 
storage business software that wraps this all up for you. For something of that 
scale, I would think the ROI of that software is prohibitive, but likely less 
so than doing it yourself with what I assume your time is worth. At least that 
was the case last time I looked. There is somebody in Utah that claims to have 
software a small business like you describe could afford.  

The second thing I would say is I wouldn't do it with conex boxes. While I Like 
those containers and they are generally tighter than purpose built storage 
buildings, they turn renters off. Every site I have seen with them looks a bit 
dodgy and people seem to expect to pay less for those sites. A fence would  be 
advisable. Units without fencing get burglary attempts than non fenced. I think 
it is likely due to the perception thieves have about the rest of the attitude 
on security.

Maybe I am wrong but the people who call me are more worried about security 
than price. I would also suggest putting up a HikVision, or if you prefer, 
Ubiquiti, camera system as well. Even a fake camera system would be worth the 
effort. Lastly, Throw all that out if this land isn't in a good location and 
just use conex boxes. Storage is a real estate business similar to others and 
if the location isn't good you will fight that uphill battle. If there are a 
lot of businesses in the area they may like those for storage. Don't know. We 
have had really good results with our warehouse storage. Call if you want to 
talk about it.

On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 10:04 PM Brian Webster  wrote:

  I rented an apartment in California years ago where the gate control had the 
ability for a visitor to hit an intercom button for your unit and it would dial 
the number they had programmed in to the system, you could answer the phone and 
enter a touch tone command to open the gate





  Thank You,

  Brian Webster

  www.wirelessmapping.com

  www.Broadband-Mapping.com



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Monday, April 16, 2018 11:40 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT One for the borg



  Thinking of arranging about 50 conex containers on some commercial land I own 
and renting them out for storage.

  I want software where they will go online, see vacancies, rent, auto pay etc. 
 Totally hands off.  Even like a phone app to open the gate for them when they 
want to get into the place.  



  Hate to develop code for this.  It has to exist out in the world somewhere...



  Any ideas.  

Re: [AFMUG] OT streaming

[Chuck McCown]

No idea.

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 5:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT streaming

What CDN is Philo coming from?




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, April 1, 2018 7:27:10 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] OT streaming


I just added Philo.  It has discovery.  $16/month.
And it has DVR.  Directvnow still has not launched DVR.  

I think it may be the best value.  

This should allow me to disconnect directvnow and slingtv.  
However I am not disconnecting slingtv until I have a low cost alternative to 
adding HBO.

Philo has HBO as an investor and was supposed to be adding it shortly after 
launch, but so far not happening.  

Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[Chuck McCown]

I had a similar situation.  Rather my wife did.  We took the kids in (her 
sister’s kids).  
Very similar situation, neglected, abused, drugs etc.

One of the parents got them back for a while, then the other.  

Those kids still think of my wife as “mom”.  They are all grown up with 
grandkids of their own now.  
One of them is a solid cop in Reno.  The other has not turned out so well.  

The world needs standup guys like you.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 11:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

You folks get my vent because i cant anywherr else. So like 7 years ago we took 
in my old ladys nephews because, well fuckwit parents. FYI the foster care 
system is aweful. We fostered them for a year and half while her brother and 
baby momma sorted their shit, or so we thought. The 18 month old at the time 
had a club foot, i had to build a sleeping rig with some shoes with the ankles 
hooked together and the toes locked outward with a ruler, i worked his legs in 
and out til his hip popped one night, i thought i broke his hip, but it was 
just something going back. The 4 year old you couldbt understand cause they 
thought baby talk was cute so they never taught him to speak. We fixed that, 
and that was the least bad of the fuckery. This was me, the old lady, 
a1,2,4,and 5 year old with our 2 in a tiny 2 bedroom. 
Finally got these boys shaped up and bought a house for room, and a week later 
they gave them back to the mom. The old ladies brother never did what he was 
supposed to.
Now today was their grandmas (my old ladies step moms) funeral, so whats this 
trashcan do? Gets arrested for selling fucking meth
So dealing with all that comes with a funeral, we had to be late dealing with 
the child services people. Get all that squared away, get through the funeral 
and now find out we also get the joy of headlice.
Seriously, fucking shit fuck. How do people do this shit to kids, theyre not 
just a thing you have while doing other things.

Im not lawfully allowed to discuss any of this with anyone who is remotely 
involved, i figure none of you are.

But seriously, what the fuck, you get your kids back and sell meth. And theyre 
already asking if they sign their righys if they can see the kids still.

I have very few skills, and none of rhem involve the ability to not want to 
feed these people lead

Re: [AFMUG] MTC Outdoor 8 Circuit SS

[Chuck McCown]

U. yea... yes yes indeed I am twas the plan along yes 
indeedy!

Did I ever tell  you about my girlfriend Morgan Fairchild?

Thanks for the idea.  Just have to figure out which connectors to use for the 
DC version.  
They make some nice screw terminals that solder into slots into the PCB.  

What kind of wire gauges would be best?  

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 5:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] MTC Outdoor 8 Circuit SS

Chuck - 

I like the new design, are you going to have DC SS (power only w/ screw 
terminal) modules available for this?

-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] MDU coax

[Chuck McCown]

Yes, it’s will need an amp to overcome the splitter loss.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 13, 2018, at 5:17 PM, Matt Hoppes  
> wrote:
> 
> Does anyone have any suggestions for how to take OTA reception of TV and send 
> it through existing coax in an MDU?  Do I need some sort of amplifier, or 
> will it work split off to say 50 units direct on the coax?

Re: [AFMUG] Streakwave down?

[Chuck McCown]

1.1.1.1

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 13, 2018, at 2:08 PM, David Coudron  
> wrote:
> 
> They were down last night too.   Couldn’t get to their site for awhile.
>  
> David Coudron
> From: Af  On Behalf Of castarritt
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 3:01 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Streakwave down?
>  
> I can't get to it; guess I better call my ISP!
>  
> On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 2:51 PM, Carl Peterson  
> wrote:
> Is streakwave down?  
>  
>  
>  

Re: [AFMUG] Did I ruin summer animal farm?

[Chuck McCown]

Yeah, let's revisit the idea mid summer for a fall event.  

-Original Message- 
From: Robert 
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 7:38 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Did I ruin summer animal farm? 


Winter in Utah would seem to preclude the outdoor demonstrations...

On 4/13/18 6:26 AM, Jon Langeler wrote:

Even this fall could be much better...

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


On Apr 13, 2018, at 9:21 AM, can...@believewireless.net 
<mailto:can...@believewireless.net> <p...@believewireless.net 
<mailto:p...@believewireless.net>> wrote:



I was lazy about it too but mostly because summer is our busy season.

On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com 
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:


No, just too low a turnout (single digit) to attract sponsors. 
Might give it a go later in the year,


Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 12, 2018, at 11:18 PM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com
<mailto:t...@voltbb.com>> wrote:
>
> I just got my lazy ass around to registering and the event is
canceled :( Did I miss the notice :) Oh wait I wasn't registered...
>
> I was really excited about AF back in Utah, small again, Feel
like an idiot for procrastinating on the registration!
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Did I ruin summer animal farm?

[Chuck McCown]

No, just too low a turnout (single digit) to attract sponsors.  Might give it a 
go later in the year,

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 12, 2018, at 11:18 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:
> 
> I just got my lazy ass around to registering and the event is canceled :( Did 
> I miss the notice :) Oh wait I wasn't registered...
> 
> I was really excited about AF back in Utah, small again, Feel like an idiot 
> for procrastinating on the registration!
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: 18V component LEDs buffer reqmnt...

[Chuck McCown]

20mA is a safe assumption

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 12, 2018, at 8:02 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> 
> We have an electric gate for our little neighborhood. The keypad uses a 
> little circuit board with a pair of white LEDs mounted on a tiny circuit 
> board to light the keypad. The little circuit board is connected to a 16VAC 
> transformer through a 600 ohm resister.
> 
> One LED is forward biased, and the other is backward biased. So I assume they 
> alternate lighting up as they get juice from the transformer. Well, both LEDs 
> are done, finny, kaput.
> 
> What I'm wondering is if I can put a new pair of 12V LEDs in this circuit and 
> whether the 600 ohm resister is enough to protect them from the ~~ 18VAC that 
> is coming through the transformer? Or should I put in a bigger resister? I 
> have no idea how much forward current an LED can handle.
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> bp
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg

[Chuck McCown]

I think I would use multiple fence chargers so they can’t just short out one 
circuit and kill the whole fence.
Or I could go all North Korean on them

From: TJ Trout 
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 5:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg

I've seen a few "fences" lately around equipment here in California that are 
8ft-ish and has about 6 horizontal wires that are insulated from the posts with 
plastic hanging signs that say something like "danger 12,000 volts" I'm can 
almost guarantee it's not lethal although they want you to think that, too much 
liability. It's probably just a regular of special fence charger, probably 
would be the cheapest way to build something with the least chance of 
intrusion? 

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 3:37 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

  It's only a deterrent.  Nobody's expecting to stop Danny Ocean.

  Is it harder to climb if the barbed wire angles outwards?  My criminal 
trespassing days are well behind me, so I honestly don't know. 


  -- Original Message --
  From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 4/10/2018 6:22:58 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg

That was my thinking as well.

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 2:56 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg

I'm not in the habit of cutting through fences, but I'd guess that it would 
take less time to get through chain link, but you're going to need a bigger 
cutters... and if somebody wants to get in that badly, they'll cut through 
either one. 

But I can say that climbing 8' chain link with barbed wire at the top isn't 
that hard...


On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 2:24 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:

  Depending on the gauge, hog wire can be about the same difficulty to cut 
as chain link. Not sure which one would be more or less difficult to get 
through, but when you cut a row of chainnlink, the rest folds up like an 
accordion.


  I like concertina across the top, but the stuff you described works too. 
Might be easier to work with.


  Motion activated alarms can be effective.



  -bp


  --

  bp

  part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com


  On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 12:16 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

I need to build a fence.  Keep people out of my equipment yard.  Lost a 
few things over the years, mostly radiators, wiring batts etc.  Copper stuff.

So, what kind of fence.  How tall.  I am thinking 10’/8’ T post with 
hog/goat welded wire.

Perhaps with those barbed wire brackets (if I can get them to fit) with 
three strands of barbed wire angling outward.

Could do shorter.
Could do chain link.
Could do three strands of straight barbed wire at the top of 6’.  

Not sure I need to do the 2 3/8 pipe posts cemented in the ground 
except for the corners.  

If they will cut hog wire they will cut chain link I think.  

Chain link fence company quoted $25/foot.  

Cops say motion activated lights are the best deterrent.  Followed by 
working or not cameras.  
And I am doing/will do both of these.  

Opinions please.

Re: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport

[Chuck McCown]

They are telling me the 06 suffix will not work.  Not understanding it.
Don’t have any manuals so I cannot figure out if they know what they are 
talking about or not.  

From: Faisal Imtiaz 
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 2:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport

did a quick search on ebay.. quiet a few available.. 

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net




  From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 1:58:58 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport

  HDSL 231 L8 150--08 central office units 
  HDU 409 Doublers 
  HRU 402 remote at the customer. 


  From: Faisal Imtiaz
  Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 11:56 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport

  Which model of pairgain cards are you looking for ? 


  (ebay or secondary markets ? )


  Regards.


  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet & Telecom
  http://www.snappytelecom.net

  Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

  Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net


------

From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 1:19:23 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport

I have some customers still on T1 over copper loops.  (This is in 
Louisiana, not Utah).We cannot buy the pairgain cards any more to supply 
them and we are out of cards.
Any suggestions?

Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg

[Chuck McCown]

I have images of the party scene in One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest.

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 2:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg

Did you get ballistic housings?

P.S.: I'm really amused that your office is an abandoned hospital.  No ordinary 
office would do for a person of your caliber.


-- Original Message --
From: "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/10/2018 3:42:01 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg

  best thing we did here (we operate out of an abandoned hospital) was put up 
as big of housings for our security cameras as we could find and put them in 
very prominent locations. We went from a broken window or tresspass almost 
every other week to it being a very rare occurrence.

  On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 2:24 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:

Depending on the gauge, hog wire can be about the same difficulty to cut as 
chain link. Not sure which one would be more or less difficult to get through, 
but when you cut a row of chainnlink, the rest folds up like an accordion.


I like concertina across the top, but the stuff you described works too. 
Might be easier to work with.


Motion activated alarms can be effective.



-bp


--

bp

part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com


On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 12:16 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  I need to build a fence.  Keep people out of my equipment yard.  Lost a 
few things over the years, mostly radiators, wiring batts etc.  Copper stuff.

  So, what kind of fence.  How tall.  I am thinking 10’/8’ T post with 
hog/goat welded wire.

  Perhaps with those barbed wire brackets (if I can get them to fit) with 
three strands of barbed wire angling outward.

  Could do shorter.
  Could do chain link.
  Could do three strands of straight barbed wire at the top of 6’.  

  Not sure I need to do the 2 3/8 pipe posts cemented in the ground except 
for the corners.  

  If they will cut hog wire they will cut chain link I think.  

  Chain link fence company quoted $25/foot.  

  Cops say motion activated lights are the best deterrent.  Followed by 
working or not cameras.  
  And I am doing/will do both of these.  

  Opinions please.

Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg

[Chuck McCown]

I identify as 7 of 9...

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 1:54 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg

Oh, and one question 

If we're the Borg, are you the Borg queen?

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 1:16 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  I need to build a fence.  Keep people out of my equipment yard.  Lost a few 
things over the years, mostly radiators, wiring batts etc.  Copper stuff.

  So, what kind of fence.  How tall.  I am thinking 10’/8’ T post with hog/goat 
welded wire.

  Perhaps with those barbed wire brackets (if I can get them to fit) with three 
strands of barbed wire angling outward.

  Could do shorter.
  Could do chain link.
  Could do three strands of straight barbed wire at the top of 6’.  

  Not sure I need to do the 2 3/8 pipe posts cemented in the ground except for 
the corners.  

  If they will cut hog wire they will cut chain link I think.  

  Chain link fence company quoted $25/foot.  

  Cops say motion activated lights are the best deterrent.  Followed by working 
or not cameras.  
  And I am doing/will do both of these.  

  Opinions please.





-- 

  Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.

  Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
  forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

 

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium legacy case

[Chuck McCown]

Sigh to do another run or not.  
I gotta do 500 pcs to make it worth doing.  

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 1:21 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium legacy case

As far as I know, cambium is still shipping radios with that mount.  The very 
latest radios are a different style, but I'm not sure they're even available in 
some bands yet.  Someone who buys this stuff will need to confirm.

Also, keep in mind that customers like to hold onto gear until it is well 
beyond obsolete.   A not insignificant chunk of my business comes from products 
which are being used to power and/or otherwise support what I would consider 
ancient radios.   As a result I still do backwards testing and occasionally end 
up digging an old radio out of the archives to do interoperability testing (see 
the 320 thread I started a few days ago).  

I know that the WISP I am involved with still has a healthy number of radios in 
that form factor in place.   I'm not sure if they're deploying any more or not.

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 1:04 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  I am pretty sure I was told or heard that Cambium is transitioning totally 
away from the old canopy style case.  

  That is why I have stopped to building my little plastic clip basic mount.  

  I sent out EOL to distributors but I continue to get orders.  
  That form factor is a dead end, right?




-- 

  Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.

  Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
  forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

 

[AFMUG] OT one more for the borg

[Chuck McCown]

I need to build a fence.  Keep people out of my equipment yard.  Lost a few 
things over the years, mostly radiators, wiring batts etc.  Copper stuff.

So, what kind of fence.  How tall.  I am thinking 10’/8’ T post with hog/goat 
welded wire.

Perhaps with those barbed wire brackets (if I can get them to fit) with three 
strands of barbed wire angling outward.

Could do shorter.
Could do chain link.
Could do three strands of straight barbed wire at the top of 6’.  

Not sure I need to do the 2 3/8 pipe posts cemented in the ground except for 
the corners.  

If they will cut hog wire they will cut chain link I think.  

Chain link fence company quoted $25/foot.  

Cops say motion activated lights are the best deterrent.  Followed by working 
or not cameras.  
And I am doing/will do both of these.  

Opinions please.

[AFMUG] Cambium legacy case

[Chuck McCown]

I am pretty sure I was told or heard that Cambium is transitioning totally away 
from the old canopy style case.  

That is why I have stopped to building my little plastic clip basic mount.  

I sent out EOL to distributors but I continue to get orders.  
That form factor is a dead end, right?

Re: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport

[Chuck McCown]

Not totally sure.  

From: Colin Stanners 
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 12:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport

At their cell towers? Or circuits being resold?


On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 1:54 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  AT!

  From: Colin Stanners 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 12:53 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport

  What kind of customer is still using T1s?


  On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 12:58 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

HDSL 231 L8 150--08 central office units 
HDU 409 Doublers 
HRU 402 remote at the customer. 


From: Faisal Imtiaz 
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 11:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport

Which model of pairgain cards are you looking for ? 


(ebay or secondary markets ? )


Regards.


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net


----

      From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 1:19:23 PM
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport

  I have some customers still on T1 over copper loops.  (This is in 
Louisiana, not Utah).We cannot buy the pairgain cards any more to supply 
them and we are out of cards. 
  Any suggestions?

Re: [AFMUG] OT Interesting OTA box

[Chuck McCown]

I think Philo may be a better value.
The Sling Roamio has a DVR, but this new one I posted does too and it is much 
cheaper.  

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 12:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Interesting OTA box

Do they have a new one with DVR as well? I am about to ditch my basic cable in 
favor of OTA combined with DirectTVNow, Netflix, And Amazon Prime. Any others 
out there proved to be worth something?

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 12:16 PM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  I use the roamio.  I purchased it.  

  From: Joe Novak 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 11:12 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Interesting OTA box
  I remember reading your experience when going into this, and I was probably 
more disappointed at the broad outage the day I signed up. Shit happens. I'll 
give it some time, it seems to be working well beyond that.  

  Are you using the AirTV box?

  On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 12:04 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

My sling has been pretty much flawless since day one.  

From: Joe Novak 
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 10:26 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Interesting OTA box

I talked with the dish network guy at WISPA America, this is the product 
Sling TV is helping push: 

https://www.airtv.net/products/airtv_player/


At home I have been less then impressed with the reliability of Sling.TV, 
the first day I setup my demo there was a 15 hour outage. The integration 
between OTA and sling.tv is awesome though, seamless I would say. The box is a 
Android TV box, so I'm sure there is a certain amount of customization that 
could be done for power users. Box outputs 4k, and seems to have good wireless 
performance overall (I've used netflix/sling.tv on it). It's a neat concept, 
but a little bit expensive to start up and I'm not sure I'm sold on Sling, even 
if it does seem to work very well when it works. 

Re: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport

[Chuck McCown]

AT!

From: Colin Stanners 
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 12:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport

What kind of customer is still using T1s?


On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 12:58 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  HDSL 231 L8 150--08 central office units 
  HDU 409 Doublers 
  HRU 402 remote at the customer. 


  From: Faisal Imtiaz 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 11:56 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport

  Which model of pairgain cards are you looking for ? 


  (ebay or secondary markets ? )


  Regards.


  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet & Telecom
  http://www.snappytelecom.net

  Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

  Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net


--

    From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 1:19:23 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport

I have some customers still on T1 over copper loops.  (This is in 
Louisiana, not Utah).We cannot buy the pairgain cards any more to supply 
them and we are out of cards. 
Any suggestions?

Re: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport

[Chuck McCown]

HDSL 231 L8 150--08 central office units 
HDU 409 Doublers 
HRU 402 remote at the customer. 


From: Faisal Imtiaz 
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 11:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport

Which model of pairgain cards are you looking for ? 


(ebay or secondary markets ? )


Regards.


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net




  From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 1:19:23 PM
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport

  I have some customers still on T1 over copper loops.  (This is in Louisiana, 
not Utah).We cannot buy the pairgain cards any more to supply them and we 
are out of cards. 
  Any suggestions?

Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

[Chuck McCown]

Solid State Relays take something like 30 mA.  

From: Paul McCall 
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 11:45 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

But, is the relay switching in the Packetflux bearing any of the load at any 
point?   I would think not, but the answers are a bit confusing, as though it 
is.

 

I would think most basic relays could be triggered successfully with much less 
than 2A

 

From: Af  On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 1:44 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

 

The relay is rated for 2A@30V, and 60W above that. 

 

See https://www.mouser.com/datasheet/2/315/mech_eng_tx-1075670.pdf figure 1 on 
page 3 for a visual of this. 

 

I'd recommend that you test the relay operation with an ohm meter before trying 
a circuit.  There should be conductivity between C and NC and none between C 
and NO when the value is set to zero, and opposite  that when it's set to a 
one. 

 

If it doesn't work,  upgrade the firmware to the latest and try again. There 
have been a couple of relay bugs fixed in recent memory.   Also make sure that 
the relay on above and below rows  are set to a very high and low number since 
if that is enabled it will override the relay.

 

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018, 11:22 AM Paul McCall  wrote:

  Yeah,  I thought this would be the case, for some reason, Packetflux support 
led my guy to realize that it didn’t work that way. 

   

  SMH

   

  From: Af  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
  Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 12:38 PM
  To: Motorola III 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

   

  The typical solution with a light-duty relay is to use it to control a 
heavier relay that carries the actual load.

  -bp




  --

  bp

  part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

   

  On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 9:24 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:

Yes, we know that, and have used it on lighter loads.  But, apparently 
there is a challenge on a heavier load as we described below.  Wanting to know 
if we can do what we want and maybe we just have the wrong external relay


-Original Message-
From: Af  On Behalf Of Christopher Tyler
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 12:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

Yes, there is a relay output on the siteMonitor II that you can trigger via 
SNMP or web interface.

--
Christopher Tyler
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
Total Highspeed Internet Services
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Paul McCall" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 11:11:20 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

My service manager seems to be struggling with using the Sitemonitor Relay 
contact to trigger a 48 Relay that we want to use to power cycle the whole 
tower if necessary.  So, Packetflux states that the Relay control is maximum. 
30v 1amp.  So a little more than half the amps at 48v.

So, in the past (lighter loads on towers) we used this to trigger an 
external relay and "open" the ground to the main power feed going up the tower. 
 At 48v, we sometimes are around 2amp on the bigger towers, some perhaps a bit 
higher still.  (with a 48v relay).

We should be able to use the Sitemonitor to somehow accomplish it.

Can anybody comment on this?

Thanks!

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

   

Re: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport

[Chuck McCown]

That is probably what I will be doing.  They have repeaters but you can put 
back to back sdls cards and repeat.
The ones I looked at this morning run on 24 volts.  So that is a down side.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 11:20 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport

Touch the wires together and make morse code.

Can you do SDSL on the same loop, or is it too long for that?



-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/10/2018 1:19:23 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport

  I have some customers still on T1 over copper loops.  (This is in Louisiana, 
not Utah).We cannot buy the pairgain cards any more to supply them and we 
are out of cards.  
  Any suggestions?

[AFMUG] OT T1 transport

[Chuck McCown]

I have some customers still on T1 over copper loops.  (This is in Louisiana, 
not Utah).We cannot buy the pairgain cards any more to supply them and we 
are out of cards.  
Any suggestions?

Re: [AFMUG] OT Interesting OTA box

[Chuck McCown]

I use the roamio.  I purchased it.  

From: Joe Novak 
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 11:12 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Interesting OTA box

I remember reading your experience when going into this, and I was probably 
more disappointed at the broad outage the day I signed up. Shit happens. I'll 
give it some time, it seems to be working well beyond that.  

Are you using the AirTV box?

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 12:04 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  My sling has been pretty much flawless since day one.  

  From: Joe Novak 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 10:26 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Interesting OTA box

  I talked with the dish network guy at WISPA America, this is the product 
Sling TV is helping push: 

  https://www.airtv.net/products/airtv_player/


  At home I have been less then impressed with the reliability of Sling.TV, the 
first day I setup my demo there was a 15 hour outage. The integration between 
OTA and sling.tv is awesome though, seamless I would say. The box is a Android 
TV box, so I'm sure there is a certain amount of customization that could be 
done for power users. Box outputs 4k, and seems to have good wireless 
performance overall (I've used netflix/sling.tv on it). It's a neat concept, 
but a little bit expensive to start up and I'm not sure I'm sold on Sling, even 
if it does seem to work very well when it works. 

Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

[Chuck McCown]

Or a triac if it is an AC load.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 10:38 AM
To: Motorola III 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

The typical solution with a light-duty relay is to use it to control a heavier 
relay that carries the actual load.


-bp


--

bp

part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com


On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 9:24 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:

  Yes, we know that, and have used it on lighter loads.  But, apparently there 
is a challenge on a heavier load as we described below.  Wanting to know if we 
can do what we want and maybe we just have the wrong external relay


  -Original Message-
  From: Af  On Behalf Of Christopher Tyler
  Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 12:20 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

  Yes, there is a relay output on the siteMonitor II that you can trigger via 
SNMP or web interface.

  --
  Christopher Tyler
  MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
  Total Highspeed Internet Services
  417.851.1107

  - Original Message -
  From: "Paul McCall" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 11:11:20 AM
  Subject: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

  My service manager seems to be struggling with using the Sitemonitor Relay 
contact to trigger a 48 Relay that we want to use to power cycle the whole 
tower if necessary.  So, Packetflux states that the Relay control is maximum. 
30v 1amp.  So a little more than half the amps at 48v.

  So, in the past (lighter loads on towers) we used this to trigger an external 
relay and "open" the ground to the main power feed going up the tower.  At 48v, 
we sometimes are around 2amp on the bigger towers, some perhaps a bit higher 
still.  (with a 48v relay).

  We should be able to use the Sitemonitor to somehow accomplish it.

  Can anybody comment on this?

  Thanks!

  Paul McCall, President
  PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
  658 Old Dixie Highway
  Vero Beach, FL 32962
  772-564-6800
  pa...@pdmnet.net
  www.pdmnet.com
  www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT Interesting OTA box

[Chuck McCown]

My sling has been pretty much flawless since day one.  

From: Joe Novak 
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 10:26 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Interesting OTA box

I talked with the dish network guy at WISPA America, this is the product Sling 
TV is helping push: 

https://www.airtv.net/products/airtv_player/


At home I have been less then impressed with the reliability of Sling.TV, the 
first day I setup my demo there was a 15 hour outage. The integration between 
OTA and sling.tv is awesome though, seamless I would say. The box is a Android 
TV box, so I'm sure there is a certain amount of customization that could be 
done for power users. Box outputs 4k, and seems to have good wireless 
performance overall (I've used netflix/sling.tv on it). It's a neat concept, 
but a little bit expensive to start up and I'm not sure I'm sold on Sling, even 
if it does seem to work very well when it works. 

Re: [AFMUG] OT SIP issue

[Chuck McCown]

Tried both ways, no joy.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 8, 2018, at 1:23 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
> <li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
> 
> Are they behind nat?
> 
> Sounds like it might be a reinvite issue, asterisk will try to get out of the 
> audio path by telling the endpoints to talk directly to each other.   If nat 
> is involved asterisk will often tell the endpoints to talk directly even if 
> they have no direct connection between them.
> 
> Disabling reinvite may help if this is the case.
> 
>> On Sun, Apr 8, 2018, 11:27 AM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>> Pulling our hair out.  The Aastra phones will call each other, we can send 
>> dtmf but no audio.  Linksys sip ata does the same thing.  These were 
>> working, very frustrating. 

Re: [AFMUG] Product Stock

[Chuck McCown]

I would love to crack that nut. I charge a drop ship fee on everything but 
tower mounts. I offer virtual warehousing.  The only other thing I can think of 
is to raise the drop ship fee.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 8, 2018, at 12:45 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> DoubleRadius didn't have much, but claimed stock at a heck of a price on some 
> of it. I ordered more than I needed just because of the price.
> 
> LMG didn't say they were out of stock of anything on their web site, so 
> that's either really good or really bad. Then again, I think they're further 
> away for me than Utah.
> 
> I'd like to see Chuck make it more difficult for companies to just drop ship 
> everything.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Mike Hammett" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2018 3:39:25 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Product Stock
> 
> Does anyone actually stock product? The first two I asked had one or less of 
> the products I'm looking for.
> 
> 800-GIGE-APC-HV
> 800-DCSS-APC
> 800-APC-DIN-SS
> 800-GIGE-POE-APC
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

[AFMUG] OT SIP issue

[Chuck McCown]

Pulling our hair out.  The Aastra phones will call each other, we can send dtmf 
but no audio.  Linksys sip ata does the same thing.  These were working, very 
frustrating.  

Re: [AFMUG] OT my afternoon

[Chuck McCown]

Yeah, I am a ski only snob...

-Original Message- 
From: Robert 
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2018 7:46 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT my afternoon 


Alta!

On 4/3/18 3:35 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:







Sent from my iPhone

Re: [AFMUG] Traco BCMU360 24 or 48v

[Chuck McCown]

I have never used temp compensation.  And I have put lotsa batts in un 
airconditioned and un heated shelters.
I think the lack of HVAC kills them much more than temp co charging voltages.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2018 6:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traco BCMU360 24 or 48v

How much is enough to matter?

Without temperature compensation you're undercharging all winter and 
overcharging all summer.  My understanding is that's going to permanently 
reduce your capacity.  

Even if you have climate control, the battery makes heat when charging and 
discharging, so if you tape the sensor to the positive terminal you can benefit 
from temperature compensation even if the room is always 70 degrees.



-- Original Message --
From: "Mathew Howard" 
To: "af" 
Sent: 4/3/2018 5:27:27 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traco BCMU360 24 or 48v

  I didn't realize the BCMU had temperature controlled charging... that would 
be an advantage, but if you have it in a box with a power supply, switch and 
such, it's going to stay pretty warm in the winter anyway... we don't heat or 
cool any of our boxes, and the majority don't even have ventilation, and I 
haven't seen any real problems with just using a static float voltage. It may 
lose us a bit of battery life and/or capacity, but I don't see that it's enough 
to matter.


  On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 4:10 PM, Darin Steffl  wrote:

The one thing that worries me about using the DR-UPS40 is that it doesn't 
have temperature controlled charging like BCMU does. So we would have to set 
one charging voltage that is static which will be under voltage in the winter 
and over voltage cooking the batteries in the summer when the box is hot. We 
don't heat or cool our boxes so I was looking for something with a little more 
control of the float voltage with the temperature differences we have. I also 
would like to only use one battery instead of two. 



On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 4:06 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

  I'm the Netonix would be doing any voltage up/down conversion you'd need 
to do in that setup anyway, so I don't really see much advantage to 24v vs 48v 
one way or the other.


  In a setup like that, I'd personally just use the Meanwell SDR-240-24 
with a Meanwell DR-UPS40, and do 24v batteries, instead of using the BCMU-360. 
You need two batteries instead of one then, but it's cheaper and doesn't have 
the issues Paul mentioned. 


  I don't have any experience with the Tycon webmonitor, but I definitely 
can recommend using a SiteMonitor. 


  On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 3:52 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

Be aware that the BCMU-360 does the following:



Only sustains at 240w

Only outputs about 45v when running on batteries.  We have started 
using a step up kit to bring it back to 48v+ 



Paul



From: Af  On Behalf Of Darin Steffl
Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2018 4:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com; memb...@wispa.org
Subject: [AFMUG] Traco BCMU360 24 or 48v



Hey guys,



We're looking at fine tuning our DC power solution for sites using more 
than 75w of power.



We're setting in with using the Traco BCMU-360 with a Meanwell 
SDR-240-24 or 48 volts power supply.



If we're using the Traco UPS unit, is there any advantage to using 24v 
vs 48v power supply? It will only be powering a Netonix DC switch and the BCMU 
only needs a 12v battery.



Also, we're looking at SiteMonitor to monitor the battery voltage and 
grid power as well. Do you recommend this or the Tycon webmonitor (TPDIN)?



Thanks




-- 

Darin Steffl

Minnesota WiFi

www.mnwifi.com

507-634-WiFi

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-- 

Darin Steffl 
Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com
507-634-WiFi
 Like us on Facebook

Re: [AFMUG] OT my afternoon

[Chuck McCown]

Well... I tried.

At Alta, they have free skiing on the rope tow/pommel lift area.
Good for kids as they don't have to be faced with a chair lift their first 
day.
Once they have the basics down, then you can take them to Brighton for free 
skiing until they are 10.


-Original Message- 
From: Mark Radabaugh

Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2018 6:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT my afternoon

Did you teach him to turn?   Last time I went skiing with you, you pointed 
the skis straight down the mountain….


Mark


On Apr 3, 2018, at 8:34 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Teaching my British grandsons to ski.
-Original Message- From: Bill Prince Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2018 
5:25 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT my afternoon

You going sledding?


bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 4/3/2018 3:35 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] OT my afternoon

[Chuck McCown]

Teaching my British grandsons to ski.  

-Original Message- 
From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2018 5:25 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT my afternoon 


You going sledding?


bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 4/3/2018 3:35 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] new DNS

[Chuck McCown]

What’s in it for them?

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2018 9:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new DNS

We seem to be close to both 8.8.8.8 (3ms RTT), and 1.1.1.1 (2ms RTT). 


Might be inclined to do a blend.



bp


On 4/3/2018 8:21 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

  Well then. I’ll put a few more routers in my network. So they have to put 
equipment in my datacenter. :)

  On Apr 3, 2018, at 11:18, Darin Steffl  wrote:


Cloudflare has posted that their goal is to be within 10ms of every ISP in 
the world. So they're adding their to gear to regional datacenter's and peering 
exchanges, not just major ones. 

On Tue, Apr 3, 2018, 10:16 AM Seth Mattinen  wrote:

  On 4/3/18 8:09 AM, Darin Steffl wrote:
  > I've seen cloudflare racks and they have a ton of gear and reliability
  > built in. They also host two of the root dns servers. Their cache rate
  > will be much higher than our own servers as well.


  Oh well I host 6 root servers for redundancy: D, E, F, J, K, and L

[AFMUG] OT streaming

[Chuck McCown]

I just added Philo.  It has discovery.  $16/month.
And it has DVR.  Directvnow still has not launched DVR.  

I think it may be the best value.  

This should allow me to disconnect directvnow and slingtv.  
However I am not disconnecting slingtv until I have a low cost alternative to 
adding HBO.

Philo has HBO as an investor and was supposed to be adding it shortly after 
launch, but so far not happening.