Re: [AFMUG] RackInjector and SyncPipe

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

There's this really nice "GPS status" page on the rackinjector which will
show you when the GPS receiver drops a pulse, or detects a misaligned
pulse.As a general rule, only the 'correct' counter should be
incrementing - bearing in mind that GPS timing is not perfect, and you will
get an occasional missing and/or misaligned pulse.  I would be really
interested in knowing if any counters (other than correct) increment around
the same time as you see this issue.

If the GPS is missing an occasional pulse and it's causing this error, I
might be able to patch this in software by telling the GPS to holdover the
pulse for some period.   So far, I haven't been able to determine if this
is a missing pulse issue or not.

We do have a growing, but still very small (2-3), group of operators which
have seen a problem which matches yours.At least 2 of them have
reported that this affects 900 and 2.4 450i products and that 5.7 radios
seem at least mostly immune.   There are also some on the cambium forum
which report similar issues with various other sync products (CTM or CMM)
but again on the 2.4/900 450i's.

One theory is that the radios occasionally will pick up a pulse from a
source they are not using, and will attempt to switch to it for some
reason.As a result, one thing to try is to turn off the unused sync
sources via telnet, specifically one of:

syncpowerport off
syncpowerport off camb
synctimingport off

The first is for traditional canopy sync, the second is cambium sync, and
the final one is timing port sync.These are immedate, and are sticky
after a reboot.  Switching off to on in the command will undo this change.

-forrest

On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 12:49 PM, Matt  wrote:

> I have a rackinjector with Cambium Sync. My PMP450i devices seem to keep
> losing sync. I updated the firmware on the RackInjector to the 2018-05-07
> latest. That seemed to help some. I still seem to lose sync on all
> connected devices every 8 hours or less very briefly. I moved syncpipe for
> cleaner sky view. Still dropping.  Some of the devices are halfway up 190
> foot tower and some at top so different cat5 lengths. Seems to affect them
> all. This is newer syncpipe with door on it. Is there anyway to tell in
> logs where the sync loss is coming from etc?
>
>
>


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Re: [AFMUG] Rohn 25

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

In reading this citation there are two phrases which I think get to the
meat of what the person writing the citation intended:

Item 1:
"The employer did not *require* a competent person to inspect."
Item 2:
"...the employer did not *ensure* complete personal fall arrest systems
were properly used".

I've bolded what I consider the two most relevant words.   The question I'd
be asking is what policies were actually in place at the time of the
accident, and what was the ramifications to the employee if they didn't
follow them.Evidently providing safety gear isn't enough, the employer
is responsible to make sure that employees actually use them.   If you had
policies in place that required the use of the gear, and took affirmative
action when an employee was caught violating the policies, and have now
re-verified that the gear met the requirements, I'd go back to OSHA and ask
them, what you could have done differently considering you've done
everything correctly.

Go into it with the mindset that if you screwed up you're going to have to
pay these fines (or at least what you can negotiate them down to), and that
you really want to learn what you did to screw up.   If the answer is that
you did everything right, it will be hard for them to continue with the
fines.   If they find you did something wrong then talk to them about how
to fix it.   I've heard story after story like this (fortunately never had
to deal with it myself), and it seems that a learning/compliant attitude
goes a long way toward them being willing to drop or decrease the fines.
 I'm not saying to not correct incorrect information (such as the rohn 25
load rating), but instead to take what they say and try to understand
whether or not you needed to make a correction.

Be mindful that the people who work for OSHA have the job to make the
workplace safer, and I'm sure that after a workplace death they feel like
there should be something that could have been done differently.  Hopefully
they'll come to the realization that you were doing everything you should
have been doing, and that you've also learned a couple things which you can
do above and beyond that, and as a result, the fine is dropped or reduced
significantly.

On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 10:10 AM, David Sovereen 
wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> A little background: We had an employee die late last year.  He climbed a
> Rohn 25 tower at a residential customer location and did not use his fall
> protection gear.  He went through safe climb training at CITCA, his fall
> protection gear was in his truck, and a co-worker with him told him to put
> his harness on, but he exercised poor judgement and climbed without it
> anyway.  He slipped, fell approximately 30 feet, and was pronounced dead
> about an hour later at the hospital.
>
> We received two OSHA Citations today.  I’ve attached them.
>
>
>
>
> I spoke with the OSHA representative handling our matter on Friday.  He
> tells me that Rohn 25s have not been tested by the manufacturer to support
> 5,000 lbs and therefore are not a suitable anchor point for securing
> oneself.  He says all work on Rohn 25s must be done from a lift.  I think
> they are just trying to come up with reasons to fine us.
>
> When I went through safe tower climbing, *I* became the competent person
> to identify where suitable anchor points, using the 5,000 lb estimation,
> were.  When my employees go through the training, they become competent in
> determining where suitable anchor points are, do they not?
>
> If an employee is given instruction on the use of fall protection gear,
> told to always use it, and exercises bad judgement and refuses to use it,
> am I responsible?  One of my employees was there and told him to put his
> harness on and he refused.  Consequently, that employee has gone through a
> lot of turmoil putting himself through “what if” scenarios.
>
> Just looking for thoughts on this.  Fight it, and if so what approach?
> Pay it and make it go away?  Something else?
>
> Thanks,
>
> *David Sovereen*
>
> Mercury Network Corporation
> 2719 Ashman Street, Midland, MI 48640
> 989.837.3790 x151 office | 888.866.4638 toll free |  989.837.3780 fax
>
> Telephone * |  *Internet*  |  *Security Alarm Monitoring
>
> david.sover...@mercury.net
> www.mercury.net
>
>
>
>
>


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Re: [AFMUG] Looking for toughswitches.

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

My understanding is that there are known issues with the internal
architecture of touchswitches in the case where you have a gigabit uplink
feeding 100Mb/s ports.  If a burst of traffic fills one of the 100Mb/s
ports, the switch will start discarding input packets (even if they aren't
for the full interface) until the 100Mb/s interface becomes non-full.  In
addition, the buffer sizes in the switch are so small that the above can
happen even with <100Mb/s of traffic going through the switch if the
traffic is at all bursty - that is, you have >100Mb/s even for a very short
period.

The goal is to get one or more of these on the bench and throw some traffic
at it to prove this behavior, so I can replicate the test on any switch
chipsets I evaluate here.   I don't want to repeat this failure if I decide
to actually ship some sort of integrated switch in a product.

I know a lot of people yanked these out of their network, my hope was
someone had a pile of them they hadn't surplused/discarded.  Because these
are still shipping products, the ebay listings tend to be mostly new
devices, and the used ones are few and far between.

Oh, and the ubnt community knows about it:

https://community.ubnt.com/t5/ToughSwitch/Toughswitch-Pro-dropping-pings/td-p/564697
https://community.ubnt.com/t5/ToughSwitch/Low-throughput-on-Toughswitch/m-p/486797#U486797
https://community.ubnt.com/t5/ToughSwitch/Has-the-ToughSwitch-been-fixed-from-2-years-ago/td-p/1578675


On Sat, Jun 2, 2018 at 11:21 AM, Timothy Steele 
wrote:

> What's issues you seeing? You might try the WISP auction group on Facebook
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 1, 2018, 6:30 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> I would like to get a collection of toughswitches for my bench to
>> basically be able to replicate the issues with them - so I can verify any
>> switch product I may or may not be working on doesn't suffer the same
>> issues.
>>
>> Does anyone have some of these headed for the dumpster that I can salvage?
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=3577+Countryside+Road,+Helena,+MT+59602=gmail=g>
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian>
>> <http://facebook.com/packetflux>  <http://twitter.com/@packetflux>
>>
>>


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[AFMUG] Looking for toughswitches.

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I would like to get a collection of toughswitches for my bench to basically
be able to replicate the issues with them - so I can verify any switch
product I may or may not be working on doesn't suffer the same issues.

Does anyone have some of these headed for the dumpster that I can salvage?

-- 
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Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

Re: [AFMUG] PVU-SLC

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I really could have used the negative duration flight last night.



On Tue, May 22, 2018, 8:21 AM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Time travel!
>
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
> On 5/21/2018 8:10 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
> > Never been on a flight with this segment before. ..
> >
> >
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PVU-SLC

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Microburst diversion.

Ended up sitting on the tarmac for a couple of hours and missing my
connection home.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL2943/history/20180522/Z/KOAK/KPVU

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL2943/history/20180522/0355Z/KPVU/KSLC


On Tue, May 22, 2018, 7:29 AM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
wrote:

> Huh?  Computer problems maybe?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, May 21, 2018, 11:10 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> Never been on a flight with this segment before. ..
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Packetflux Powerinjector

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

One other option is to put 48VDC in at the bottom of the coax, and then use
a DC-DC converter at the top.   I'm particularly fond of the meanwell
rsd series, specifically the meanwell RSD-150C-24 should do just fine.
Assuming you don't have more than 150W of radios up top.   If you need
less/more there are smaller/larger options available.

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 9:35 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> You don't lose any voltage until the radios start drawing power, so it
> generally isn't 100% safe to boost it beyond what the radios are rated
> for.  I'd set the voltage at the bottom to the absolute maximum you know
> the radios are fine with.  Then it can only go down from there.
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 9:20 AM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Reason I ask is if at the bottom I believe it's 24v and the top it's
>> 24v.  I'm using that heavy duty coax (inch and a half?) up the tower for my
>> DC.  I think the center conductor was 8mm.
>>
>> If you're doing say 27.4v at the bottom and 100' of two pair 24 gauge,
>> it's more like 26.83v at the top.  I'm not losing that ~0.6v.
>>
>> I really don't want to fry anything and start replacing radios :(
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
>> Suite 1337
>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
>>
>> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 11:15 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The UBNT stuff used to be a lot more sensitive than it is.   Anything
>>> modern should be fine up to 28V on the 24V radios.
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 7:34 AM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sweet!  I'll crank up the power supply another volt.  IIRC Ubnt stuff
>>>> dies at 26 or 27 volts, so you can see why I aimed for right at 24v.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 9:21 AM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Agreed.  I expect your issues will go away if you increase voltage.
>>>>> We run all ePMP @ 48VDC.  It fixed these random rebooting issues for us.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 6:37 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>>>>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> 22.93 is too low.   Cambium says 23V is the minimum into the radio.
>>>>>> See http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/ePMP-Installatio
>>>>>> n/ePMP-PoE-Powering-Primer/td-p/49944
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You need to subtract a bit of loss inside the injector, and then a
>>>>>> bit more for cabling.   Plus a bit more for everything else.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For verification, I took my bench ePMP and hooked it up to my power
>>>>>> supply - it doesn't even turn on until 22.5V at the radio.   I'm sure 
>>>>>> other
>>>>>> copies are probably higher or lower.   And I'm sure it changes with
>>>>>> internal temperature of the radio.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One big difference between the PoE Injector and the SyncInjector is
>>>>>> that the syncinjector uses semiconductor switches which generally have a
>>>>>> bit more voltage drop than a relay.  The tradeoff is that the 
>>>>>> semiconductor
>>>>>> switches can switch far more power than the relays can and can switch
>>>>>> quickly enough to do sync over power.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, May 12, 2018 at 10:26 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>>>>> j.

Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Packetflux Powerinjector

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

One other option is to put 48VDC in at the bottom of the coax, and then use
a DC-DC converter at the top for those things which need 24V.   I'm
particularly fond of the meanwell rsd series, specifically the meanwell
RSD-150C-24 should do just fine.  Assuming you don't have more than 150W of
radios up top.   If you need less/more there are smaller/larger options
available.

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 9:35 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> You don't lose any voltage until the radios start drawing power, so it
> generally isn't 100% safe to boost it beyond what the radios are rated
> for.  I'd set the voltage at the bottom to the absolute maximum you know
> the radios are fine with.  Then it can only go down from there.
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 9:20 AM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Reason I ask is if at the bottom I believe it's 24v and the top it's
>> 24v.  I'm using that heavy duty coax (inch and a half?) up the tower for my
>> DC.  I think the center conductor was 8mm.
>>
>> If you're doing say 27.4v at the bottom and 100' of two pair 24 gauge,
>> it's more like 26.83v at the top.  I'm not losing that ~0.6v.
>>
>> I really don't want to fry anything and start replacing radios :(
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
>> Suite 1337
>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
>>
>> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 11:15 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The UBNT stuff used to be a lot more sensitive than it is.   Anything
>>> modern should be fine up to 28V on the 24V radios.
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 7:34 AM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sweet!  I'll crank up the power supply another volt.  IIRC Ubnt stuff
>>>> dies at 26 or 27 volts, so you can see why I aimed for right at 24v.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 9:21 AM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Agreed.  I expect your issues will go away if you increase voltage.
>>>>> We run all ePMP @ 48VDC.  It fixed these random rebooting issues for us.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 6:37 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>>>>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> 22.93 is too low.   Cambium says 23V is the minimum into the radio.
>>>>>> See http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/ePMP-Installatio
>>>>>> n/ePMP-PoE-Powering-Primer/td-p/49944
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You need to subtract a bit of loss inside the injector, and then a
>>>>>> bit more for cabling.   Plus a bit more for everything else.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For verification, I took my bench ePMP and hooked it up to my power
>>>>>> supply - it doesn't even turn on until 22.5V at the radio.   I'm sure 
>>>>>> other
>>>>>> copies are probably higher or lower.   And I'm sure it changes with
>>>>>> internal temperature of the radio.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One big difference between the PoE Injector and the SyncInjector is
>>>>>> that the syncinjector uses semiconductor switches which generally have a
>>>>>> bit more voltage drop than a relay.  The tradeoff is that the 
>>>>>> semiconductor
>>>>>> switches can switch far more power than the relays can and can switch
>>>>>> quickly enough to do sync over power.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, May 12, 2018 at 10:26 PM, Josh

Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Packetflux Powerinjector

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

You don't lose any voltage until the radios start drawing power, so it
generally isn't 100% safe to boost it beyond what the radios are rated
for.  I'd set the voltage at the bottom to the absolute maximum you know
the radios are fine with.  Then it can only go down from there.



On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 9:20 AM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
wrote:

> Reason I ask is if at the bottom I believe it's 24v and the top it's 24v.
> I'm using that heavy duty coax (inch and a half?) up the tower for my DC.
> I think the center conductor was 8mm.
>
> If you're doing say 27.4v at the bottom and 100' of two pair 24 gauge,
> it's more like 26.83v at the top.  I'm not losing that ~0.6v.
>
> I really don't want to fry anything and start replacing radios :(
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
> Suite 1337
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
> Troy, OH 45373
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
>
> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 11:15 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> The UBNT stuff used to be a lot more sensitive than it is.   Anything
>> modern should be fine up to 28V on the 24V radios.
>>
>> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 7:34 AM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Sweet!  I'll crank up the power supply another volt.  IIRC Ubnt stuff
>>> dies at 26 or 27 volts, so you can see why I aimed for right at 24v.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
>>> Suite 1337
>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 9:21 AM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Agreed.  I expect your issues will go away if you increase voltage.  We
>>>> run all ePMP @ 48VDC.  It fixed these random rebooting issues for us.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 6:37 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>>>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> 22.93 is too low.   Cambium says 23V is the minimum into the radio.
>>>>> See http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/ePMP-Installatio
>>>>> n/ePMP-PoE-Powering-Primer/td-p/49944
>>>>>
>>>>> You need to subtract a bit of loss inside the injector, and then a bit
>>>>> more for cabling.   Plus a bit more for everything else.
>>>>>
>>>>> For verification, I took my bench ePMP and hooked it up to my power
>>>>> supply - it doesn't even turn on until 22.5V at the radio.   I'm sure 
>>>>> other
>>>>> copies are probably higher or lower.   And I'm sure it changes with
>>>>> internal temperature of the radio.
>>>>>
>>>>> One big difference between the PoE Injector and the SyncInjector is
>>>>> that the syncinjector uses semiconductor switches which generally have a
>>>>> bit more voltage drop than a relay.  The tradeoff is that the 
>>>>> semiconductor
>>>>> switches can switch far more power than the relays can and can switch
>>>>> quickly enough to do sync over power.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, May 12, 2018 at 10:26 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> So we replaced all 8 surge cards.  It's getting 22.95 and 22.93 for
>>>>>> the two boxes (to the green terminal).  Devices are still rebooting...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Epmp never has problems with the same DC supply through the green POE
>>>>>> injector, forgot to mention that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>> <https://

Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Packetflux Powerinjector

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

The UBNT stuff used to be a lot more sensitive than it is.   Anything
modern should be fine up to 28V on the 24V radios.

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 7:34 AM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
wrote:

> Sweet!  I'll crank up the power supply another volt.  IIRC Ubnt stuff dies
> at 26 or 27 volts, so you can see why I aimed for right at 24v.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
> Suite 1337
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
> Troy, OH 45373
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
>
> On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 9:21 AM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Agreed.  I expect your issues will go away if you increase voltage.  We
>> run all ePMP @ 48VDC.  It fixed these random rebooting issues for us.
>>
>> On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 6:37 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>
>>> 22.93 is too low.   Cambium says 23V is the minimum into the radio.  See
>>> http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/ePMP-Installatio
>>> n/ePMP-PoE-Powering-Primer/td-p/49944
>>>
>>> You need to subtract a bit of loss inside the injector, and then a bit
>>> more for cabling.   Plus a bit more for everything else.
>>>
>>> For verification, I took my bench ePMP and hooked it up to my power
>>> supply - it doesn't even turn on until 22.5V at the radio.   I'm sure other
>>> copies are probably higher or lower.   And I'm sure it changes with
>>> internal temperature of the radio.
>>>
>>> One big difference between the PoE Injector and the SyncInjector is that
>>> the syncinjector uses semiconductor switches which generally have a bit
>>> more voltage drop than a relay.  The tradeoff is that the semiconductor
>>> switches can switch far more power than the relays can and can switch
>>> quickly enough to do sync over power.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 12, 2018 at 10:26 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> So we replaced all 8 surge cards.  It's getting 22.95 and 22.93 for the
>>>> two boxes (to the green terminal).  Devices are still rebooting...
>>>>
>>>> Epmp never has problems with the same DC supply through the green POE
>>>> injector, forgot to mention that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, May 6, 2018 at 8:14 PM, George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Funny story if you were using ePMP near the beginning. Some of the
>>>>> first original 5GHz integrated radios had labels marked 56VDC. They were
>>>>> definitely NOT capable of being powered from 48/56V. Somebody screwed up.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah. We've run Force180/200 survey setups on a small 12V SLA too. It
>>>>> works, but they're rated at 14 volts. Same with the 100 and 450 SMs. Still
>>>>> works. However, I recall the regulator is very inefficient down that low.
>>>>> Like the old 320 and 430 APs could be run on 24VDC, but you really didn't
>>>>> want to do that, and Motorola/Cambium said it was completely unsupported.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/6/2018 5:13 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I had a portable 12V battery that I would use for site surveys with
>>>>>> the old PMP100. I'm pretty sure they would function in the 8-10V region.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know nothing about the ePMP radios. Trust George.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> bp
>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/6/2018 2:33 PM, George Skorup wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Original 5GHz integrated and connectorized are 14-30VDC, -4/5 +7/8
>>>>>>> only.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=3577+Countryside+Road,+Helena,+MT+59602=gmail=g>
>>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>>> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian>
>>> <http://facebook.com/packetflux>  <http://twitter.com/@packetflux>
>>>
>>>
>>
>


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Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Packetflux Powerinjector

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

22.93 is too low.   Cambium says 23V is the minimum into the radio.  See
http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/ePMP-Installation/ePMP-PoE-Powering-Primer/td-p/49944

You need to subtract a bit of loss inside the injector, and then a bit more
for cabling.   Plus a bit more for everything else.

For verification, I took my bench ePMP and hooked it up to my power supply
- it doesn't even turn on until 22.5V at the radio.   I'm sure other copies
are probably higher or lower.   And I'm sure it changes with internal
temperature of the radio.

One big difference between the PoE Injector and the SyncInjector is that
the syncinjector uses semiconductor switches which generally have a bit
more voltage drop than a relay.  The tradeoff is that the semiconductor
switches can switch far more power than the relays can and can switch
quickly enough to do sync over power.





On Sat, May 12, 2018 at 10:26 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> So we replaced all 8 surge cards.  It's getting 22.95 and 22.93 for the
> two boxes (to the green terminal).  Devices are still rebooting...
>
> Epmp never has problems with the same DC supply through the green POE
> injector, forgot to mention that.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> 
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>
> On Sun, May 6, 2018 at 8:14 PM, George Skorup 
> wrote:
>
>> Funny story if you were using ePMP near the beginning. Some of the first
>> original 5GHz integrated radios had labels marked 56VDC. They were
>> definitely NOT capable of being powered from 48/56V. Somebody screwed up.
>>
>> Yeah. We've run Force180/200 survey setups on a small 12V SLA too. It
>> works, but they're rated at 14 volts. Same with the 100 and 450 SMs. Still
>> works. However, I recall the regulator is very inefficient down that low.
>> Like the old 320 and 430 APs could be run on 24VDC, but you really didn't
>> want to do that, and Motorola/Cambium said it was completely unsupported.
>>
>>
>> On 5/6/2018 5:13 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>
>>> I had a portable 12V battery that I would use for site surveys with the
>>> old PMP100. I'm pretty sure they would function in the 8-10V region.
>>>
>>> I know nothing about the ePMP radios. Trust George.
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>> On 5/6/2018 2:33 PM, George Skorup wrote:
>>>
 Original 5GHz integrated and connectorized are 14-30VDC, -4/5 +7/8 only.

>>>
>>>
>>
>


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Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech rack mount surge suppressor with Medusa

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Just curious... does the rackinjector show the port in a tripped state
afterwards?

I'm assuming this boots just fine without the surge suppressor?

On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 9:56 AM, Sam Lambie  wrote:

> FYI,
>
> I installed the gas tube version on a gigabit  Packetflux Powered Medusa
> the other week and no go. The radio boots up for about 25 seconds, and then
> shuts down.
>
> On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 9:54 AM,  wrote:
>
>> I am going to chase this down.  Only certain types of products have the
>> issue it seems.
>> I am going to try to add solid state to the gas tubes using a different
>> design that eliminates the steering diodes.
>> Seems like the steering diodes are causing the problem in some
>> situations.
>>
>> *From:* George Skorup
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 9, 2018 9:50 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech rack mount surge suppressor with Medusa
>>
>> No diodes, just gas-tube for large surge event suppression. Obviously not
>> as much protection though. I'm seeing more CRC errors than I'm comfortable
>> with on the cards with diodes. Rev G is definitely better though. I've
>> broken the shield at various sites while testing to rule out any potential
>> ground loop issues. Ran on battery. Etc. It's weird. Noise or something, I
>> don't know.
>>
>> On 5/9/2018 10:32 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>
>> What's this gas tube product placement?
>> I want to see these
>>
>> On Wed, May 9, 2018, 9:51 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, yeah nothing fit well next to the thin pcbs.
>>>
>>> Odd, got some test results back from George yesterday.  Some types of
>>> equipment has CRC errors with some of our surge suppressors.  Trying to
>>> identify the bad combinations.  Good thing is that our gas tube only
>>> products seem to be flawless with everything that people have tried them
>>> on.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Matt
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 8:08 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech rack mount surge suppressor with Medusa
>>>
>>> Chuck,
>>>
>>> Like form factor of new arrestors much better.  Thicker PCB and RJ45
>>> not as tall.  They do not fit well next to your last thin pcb version
>>> though.  Did not care for the thin pcb and tall RJ45 at all.  Swapped
>>> out 4 PxP450i APC arrestors to these 17 hours ago.  So far flawless
>>> even at 1000base.  No errors at all.  This is with RackInjector,
>>> Cambium Sync and very long cat-5 runs.  Time will tell but looks good
>>> so far.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 10:29 AM,   wrote:
>>> > Matt,
>>> >
>>> > I sent you a note off-list.  I would like to send you the gas tube
>>> version
>>> > to see if that fixes the issue.
>>> >
>>> > Inquiring minds want to know...
>>> >
>>> > -Original Message- From: Matt
>>> > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 4:08 PM
>>> > To: af@afmug.com
>>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech rack mount surge suppressor with Medusa
>>> >
>>> >> OK, so grounds are related to the problem.
>>> >>
>>> >> There may be something unusual with timing pulses on the power that is
>>> >> causing the surge suppressor to fire.
>>> >> Forrest would know much more than I about that.
>>> >>
>>> >> I honestly don’t know if anyone has tried my product with a Medusa
>>> >> before.
>>> >> I have a 100% gas tube version that may solve the problem.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I am still having some troubles with PTP450i holding 1gbit ethernet
>>> > even with Cambium sync.  Not near as bad with Cambium Sync though.
>>> > Will these gas tube versions work any better?  Will they still keep
>>> > equipment safe?
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> --
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> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com 
>



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Re: [AFMUG] OT: One space versus two spaces (again)

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I like spaces.

But I want my tab key to add the correct amount of spaces for the indent.

Fortunately it seems that most editors I use to edit code have a setting to
do just that.  The ones that don't are a pain in the rear since I'm not
consistent in the use of tabs vs spaces since I expect my editor to do the
right thing and treat the tab key as a 'insert a few spaces for me' key.

As far as single or double spaces... well, I'm a double spacing person when
I type, even though I know that a single space is considered 'better'
anymore due to modern typefaces inserting the correct amount of space with
only a single space.   HTML also ignores double spaces by default, so most
of the web runs on single spaces.

On Sun, May 6, 2018 at 8:25 PM, Robert  wrote:

> Trivial stuff, the real meat is tabs versus spaces while programming...
>
> On 5/6/18 7:21 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
>> Double spacers of the world unite.  Everybody else can get the fu*k off
>> our lawn.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: ja...@remotelylocated.com
>> Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 8:19 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: One space versus two spaces (again)
>>
>> You can tell someone's age by one or two spaces.  For me that is what I
>> was taught and bugs the hell out of me when I see single space.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 6, 2018, at 5:49 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I remember there being a rather exuberant discussion a couple years ago
>>> about the advantages/disadvantages and goodness/badness of putting a single
>>> space after a sentence versus putting two spaces. The debate rages on, but
>>> this one study suggests that putting two spaces makes sentences easier to
>>> read.
>>>
>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/
>>> 2018/05/04/one-space-between-each-sentence-they-said-
>>> science-just-proved-them-wrong-2/?noredirect=on_term=.b61d35728d29
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>


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Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement Action

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I went and pulled the FCC cert for the FCC ID that they gave, definitely
only certified for 5.7 in the US.

I figure there are two options here:

1) They're knowingly using a non-US radio in the US, or they've otherwise
hacked the US radio to operate outside of the band.   In this case, good
luck to them.

2) Somehow they've gotten a non-US radio in the US without knowing, and/or
the UBNT software didn't limit them to the US bands for some reason.  In
this case, I hope that they can plead ignorance, and treat it as a learning
experience.

A lot of the problem anymore is that there are so many different iterations
of radios out there, and as a result, it can be difficult to keep track of
which bands each is legal for.  If the radios don't enforce it, there's a
good chance that someone will unintentionally turn a radio up on a band the
radio isn't authorized for.  On the other hand, one would think that you'd
be aware of TWDR and avoid that frequency range like the plague

On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 12:34 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> It says it was a Rocket5 AC Prism... I don't think those ever had updated
> stickers (I could be wrong, but that's a relatively new design, which I
> think was after all that nonsense). I wonder if it was the non-US model...
>
> On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 1:08 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>
>> On 5/1/18 10:51, Tim Hardy wrote:
>>
>>> LV.NET ; LAS VEGAS, NEVADA �89104. ��Notice of
>>> Unlicensed Operation and Notification of Harmful Interference issued for
>>> interference complaint to FAA Terminal Doppler Weather Radar operating on
>>> 5645 MHz in Las Vegas, Nevada. Action by: �Regional Director, Region
>>> Three, Enforcement Bureau. Adopted: �04/27/2018 by Notice. �EB
>>> https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-350491A1.docx
>>> https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-350491A1.pdf
>>>
>>
>>
>> Only an idiot would use a TDWR frequency anywhere near an airport with
>> one. That's just challenging someone to come find you.
>>
>> Is that an DFS unlock code with updated sticker required model they were
>> using, but didn't bother to actually put the new sticker on it?
>>
>
>


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Re: [AFMUG] drones

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

So, I went and brushed up on the non-commerical rules just because I
haven't paid much attention to them recently, and they seem to have changed
a bit, probably partially due to the law which was passed a few months ago
...

I agree 100%.  For non-commerical, everything I read indicates that within
5 miles of any airport/heliport you simply need to call the airport
owner/tower/etc. to notify them of your operation. The under 400ft
requirement seems to have largely been excised from the FCC website, even
though I have a copy of paperwork that I agreed to back when I did my
original drone registration which says that I agree to fly under 400 ft.

But, the class at wisapalooza can be summarized in one line:

"If you're using a drone for commercial purposes you need a license.
 Inspecting a tower for a WISP you own or work for is going to almost
certainly going to be a commercial purpose.   Go get a license, which will
also teach you all of the rules you need to be following, which are
different than the non-commercial rules."


On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 4:35 PM, Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> Hobbyists do not get waivers. Commercial gets waivers.
>
> Hobbyists call the Tower.
> Commercial just flies - with the waiver.
>
> Waivers are going away in favor of the instant authorization system LAANC.
>
> Clearly we need a session on drones at wispapalooza.
>
> > On Apr 30, 2018, at 18:16, Robert Andrews <i...@avantwireless.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > 5 miles around an airport they certainly are.   And completely
> prohibited without a waver..
> >
> >> On 04/30/2018 08:19 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> >> Actually hobbyists are not limited to how high they can fly.
> >>> On Apr 30, 2018, at 11:11, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com <mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:
> >>> From my understanding so far, while the spirit of what you're saying
> is true, it is more complicated than that.
> >>>
> >>> If you're flying as a hobbyist within 5 miles of any airport, helipad,
> etc. (towered or not)  you need a FAA waiver.  In addition, you're limited
> to 400ft, can't fly over certain areas, etc.   One really should read up on
> and follow the rules, as they're not just there to irritate drone users.
> >>>
> >>> If you have a commercial license then where you can fly is based on
> the actual airspace classification instead of the five mile limit.  Much of
> the knowledge needed for the test revolves around understanding how to know
> where it is safe and legal to fly based on charts and observation.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 8:37 AM Robert <i...@avantwireless.com  i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>Also be aware that if you are within five miles of a towered
> >>>airport you
> >>>need FAA wavers for flight in that area.   I talked to a
> >>>controller the
> >>>other day and he was not kidding in any way, dead serious about
> >>>    prosecuting violators to the same level as they go after laser
> >>>flashers.
> >>>   Seems the FAA is on edge about the first aircraft to be brought
> >>>down
> >>>by a drone.   I thought it was a small probability but the FAA
> >>>seems to
> >>>think otherwise..
> >>>
> >>>On 4/30/18 7:17 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
> >>>> For those of you considering using a Drone for commercial
> >>>purposes, be
> >>>> aware you probably need a commercial drone license.  Like many
> >>>other
> >>>> things, you probably will never get caught if the flight is for
> >>>internal
> >>>> use, but the requirement still exists.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm currently slowly working on getting mine for various
> >>>reasons.  Have
> >>>> been enjoying learning a bit more about our aeronautics system
> >>>in the
> >>>> USA.  So far it doesn't seem like it's that difficult.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 7:13 AM Dave <dmilho...@wletc.com
> >>><mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>
> >>>> <mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com <mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> We are in the market for one now.
> >>>>
> >>>> I was looking at the welds and mounting of that ring to hold
> all
>

Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Packetflux Powerinjector

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

If you have a base unit attached to these, you should look at the event
counters on the tripped line in the binary/boolean tab to determine if the
device is detecting an overcurrent event.If it's seeing an overcurrent
trip, then yes, check the surge suppressors.

The other item is what has been mentioned, if you have too low of a voltage
into the PowerInjector, the ePMP's will reboot.   This is especially true
in cold weather since the units seem to draw more even after startup.   You
need around at least 26V on the input of the power injector, if not a bit
more, for an ePMP to run correctly on a full 100m of cable.  You could
probably get away with a bit lower voltage on shorter runs.

The 10/100 injector doesn't drop quite as many volts due to it being a
switch closure instead of a semiconductor junction, so you might be right
on the edge of what is acceptable.

BTW, too low of voltage will also cause 'trips', as when the voltage drops
below acceptable ranges for the ePMP, the ePMP power supply circuit tries
to pull more and more power from the CAT5 cable, eventually causing what
looks like a brief short circuit just before it shuts down.

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 11:16 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> I've got two of these with problems: http://store.
> packetflux.com/powerinjector-plus-sync-gigabit-version/
>
> However one of these gives me no problems: http://store.
> packetflux.com/sitemonitor-4-channel-gigabit-poe-injector-controller/
>
> I have a 24vdc plant going up the tower.  In the box it feeds these three
> Packetflux units.  The 4 channel POE injector has given me 0 problems.
>
> I've got Cambium ePMP on the PowerInjector and it has been randomly?
> rebooting units for several months.  Yesterday one of the ports just
> decided to turn off for 20 minutes and come right back.  We've replaced the
> line & radio to make sure it's the box, but all signs point to it.
>
> Has anyone else seen this or am I lucky in getting the only two units with
> power problems on them?  AFAIK sync has been just as reliable as the power
> through them.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> 
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>



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Re: [AFMUG] drones

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Hmm learn something everyday.

Apparently there is a disconnect between what the faa has been telling
people (below 400ft), and what the law says.

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 9:19 AM Matt Hoppes <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
wrote:

> Actually hobbyists are not limited to how high they can fly.
>
> On Apr 30, 2018, at 11:11, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
> From my understanding so far, while the spirit of what you're saying is
> true, it is more complicated than that.
>
> If you're flying as a hobbyist within 5 miles of any airport, helipad,
> etc. (towered or not)  you need a FAA waiver.  In addition, you're limited
> to 400ft, can't fly over certain areas, etc.   One really should read up on
> and follow the rules, as they're not just there to irritate drone users.
>
> If you have a commercial license then where you can fly is based on the
> actual airspace classification instead of the five mile limit.  Much of the
> knowledge needed for the test revolves around understanding how to know
> where it is safe and legal to fly based on charts and observation.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 8:37 AM Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
>
>> Also be aware that if you are within five miles of a towered airport you
>> need FAA wavers for flight in that area.   I talked to a controller the
>> other day and he was not kidding in any way, dead serious about
>> prosecuting violators to the same level as they go after laser flashers.
>>Seems the FAA is on edge about the first aircraft to be brought down
>> by a drone.   I thought it was a small probability but the FAA seems to
>> think otherwise..
>>
>> On 4/30/18 7:17 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>> > For those of you considering using a Drone for commercial purposes, be
>> > aware you probably need a commercial drone license.  Like many other
>> > things, you probably will never get caught if the flight is for
>> internal
>> > use, but the requirement still exists.
>> >
>> > I'm currently slowly working on getting mine for various reasons.  Have
>> > been enjoying learning a bit more about our aeronautics system in the
>> > USA.  So far it doesn't seem like it's that difficult.
>> >
>> > On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 7:13 AM Dave <dmilho...@wletc.com
>> > <mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > We are in the market for one now.
>> >
>> > I was looking at the welds and mounting of that ring to hold all
>> > that gear. I like overkill for structural integrity. I would have
>> more
>> > larger feet bolted to the tank on all angles.
>> > Just thinking about my poor tower guys cursing me after they
>> > discover what they are hooked on to.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 04/30/2018 12:14 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>> >> my contractor shot some drone pics on a site. other than the uber
>> >> sloppy cable this doesnt look as terrible as it is. will rebuild
>> >> it, but the drone footage and pics is crazy useful, the external
>> >> perspective really helps getting an overall. i highly recommend
>> >> getting drone shots
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] drones

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

>From my understanding so far, while the spirit of what you're saying is
true, it is more complicated than that.

If you're flying as a hobbyist within 5 miles of any airport, helipad, etc.
(towered or not)  you need a FAA waiver.  In addition, you're limited to
400ft, can't fly over certain areas, etc.   One really should read up on
and follow the rules, as they're not just there to irritate drone users.

If you have a commercial license then where you can fly is based on the
actual airspace classification instead of the five mile limit.  Much of the
knowledge needed for the test revolves around understanding how to know
where it is safe and legal to fly based on charts and observation.


On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 8:37 AM Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:

> Also be aware that if you are within five miles of a towered airport you
> need FAA wavers for flight in that area.   I talked to a controller the
> other day and he was not kidding in any way, dead serious about
> prosecuting violators to the same level as they go after laser flashers.
>Seems the FAA is on edge about the first aircraft to be brought down
> by a drone.   I thought it was a small probability but the FAA seems to
> think otherwise..
>
> On 4/30/18 7:17 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
> > For those of you considering using a Drone for commercial purposes, be
> > aware you probably need a commercial drone license.  Like many other
> > things, you probably will never get caught if the flight is for internal
> > use, but the requirement still exists.
> >
> > I'm currently slowly working on getting mine for various reasons.  Have
> > been enjoying learning a bit more about our aeronautics system in the
> > USA.  So far it doesn't seem like it's that difficult.
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 7:13 AM Dave <dmilho...@wletc.com
> > <mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote:
> >
> > We are in the market for one now.
> >
> > I was looking at the welds and mounting of that ring to hold all
> > that gear. I like overkill for structural integrity. I would have
> more
> > larger feet bolted to the tank on all angles.
> > Just thinking about my poor tower guys cursing me after they
> > discover what they are hooked on to.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 04/30/2018 12:14 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
> >> my contractor shot some drone pics on a site. other than the uber
> >> sloppy cable this doesnt look as terrible as it is. will rebuild
> >> it, but the drone footage and pics is crazy useful, the external
> >> perspective really helps getting an overall. i highly recommend
> >> getting drone shots
> >
> > --
> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] drones

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

For those of you considering using a Drone for commercial purposes, be
aware you probably need a commercial drone license.  Like many other
things, you probably will never get caught if the flight is for internal
use, but the requirement still exists.

I'm currently slowly working on getting mine for various reasons.  Have
been enjoying learning a bit more about our aeronautics system in the USA.
So far it doesn't seem like it's that difficult.

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 7:13 AM Dave  wrote:

> We are in the market for one now.
>
> I was looking at the welds and mounting of that ring to hold all that
> gear. I like overkill for structural integrity. I would have more
> larger feet bolted to the tank on all angles.
> Just thinking about my poor tower guys cursing me after they discover what
> they are hooked on to.
>
>
>
> On 04/30/2018 12:14 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> my contractor shot some drone pics on a site. other than the uber sloppy
> cable this doesnt look as terrible as it is. will rebuild it, but the drone
> footage and pics is crazy useful, the external perspective really helps
> getting an overall. i highly recommend getting drone shots
>
>
> --
>

Re: [AFMUG] Trouble/Support Ticketing

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I'm currently running an instance of OSticket.   There is a bug somewhere
in the version I'm running which causes tickets with activity on them (new
or more frequently rather old ones) to not be put in a state where it is
obvious that there has been activity on them.  Often we'll find them weeks
or months later, or more often , when a customer asks "any updates?".

There are a few other issues, which I'm not thrilled with.   It was better
than the hosted version we were using, but still not perfect.

Ticketing systems seem to be like phone systems, they're all nice when
they're new, but the nice wears off quickly.

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 5:25 PM, Keefe John <keefe...@ethoplex.com> wrote:

> If you want free a lot of people also use Request Tracker and OS Ticket.
>
> Keefe
>
> On April 18, 2018 6:07:50 PM CDT, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, I'm sort of leaning toward Zendesk just because of all of the
>> integrations.
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 4:55 PM, Keefe John <keefe...@ethoplex.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We use Sonar but zendesk is very popular.
>>>
>>> Keefe
>>>
>>>
>>> On April 18, 2018 5:54:10 PM CDT, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <
>>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What is everyone using for support tickets nowadays?  I've about had it
>>>> with our system.
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Trouble/Support Ticketing

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Yeah, I'm sort of leaning toward Zendesk just because of all of the
integrations.

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 4:55 PM, Keefe John <keefe...@ethoplex.com> wrote:

> We use Sonar but zendesk is very popular.
>
> Keefe
>
>
> On April 18, 2018 5:54:10 PM CDT, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>
>> What is everyone using for support tickets nowadays?  I've about had it
>> with our system.
>>
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>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=3577+Countryside+Road,+Helena,+MT+59602=gmail=g>
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian>
>> <http://facebook.com/packetflux>  <http://twitter.com/@packetflux>
>>
>>
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[AFMUG] Trouble/Support Ticketing

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

What is everyone using for support tickets nowadays?  I've about had it
with our system.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

You also avoid some of the issues with questionable quality/potency, and
the related poisioning/overdose deaths.

If one was to redirect all of the funds spent on the war on drugs (law
enforcement, prisons, etc) into mental health, rehabilitation and
education, I think we'd be far better off.




On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 10:18 PM, Josh Reynolds 
wrote:

> That's... That's not at all how it works in the models I'm talking about.
>
> You make it 100% legal, and remove the stigma. You provide safe places to
> get supplies and mental health care.
>
> This largely removes the drug market all together (crashes it), making it
> not a viable thing to sell (better opportunity elsewhere).
>
> It also has the highest treatment success rate for overcoming hard drug
> addiction (mental health care + kratom).
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 11:13 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> decriminalizing maintains the control, keeps people limited to user
>> amounts only, doesnt turn a junkie into a felon whose life is effectively
>> over, but the drug dealers can still be put in prison where they go.
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 10:58 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> If you legalize but tax, there still can be room for a competitor's
>>> product that is... Ahem tax free.
>>>
>>> It's a slipper slope, because if you are taxing it, you are also
>>> regulating it.
>>>
>>> It's crazy ... We allow alcohol but ban weed. Alcohol is disasterous!
>>>
>>> You can sell homeopathic snake oil, but if you have a couple of
>>> mushrooms you found under cowshit in a field you can go to prison.
>>>
>>> This is all so stupid.
>>>
>>> ... But hey, D.A.R.E.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 10:43 PM Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I like pissing off cartels

 I always preferred decriminalization to legalization, maintains a
 secondary effective tax to offset the byproduct cost in treatment, etc.

 On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 10:27 PM, Josh Reynolds 
 wrote:

> Decriminalize drugs except in the event of endangering the welfare of
> a child, or risking life/limb of another person.
>
> Drugs are a personal choice. If Jimbo isn't hurting anybody by coming
> home and the end of a day and smoking a joint, or maybe using mushrooms or
> MDA to help overcome emotional trauma, or for religious reasons, who's
> business is that?
>
> Hard drugs are often done to escape inward or to damage onesself or to
> feel something or just... Feel. The root problem is mental health. Let
> people get clean needles in a controlled setting and give them access to
> talk to someone. It's had amazing effects in those mentioned contries.
>
> Oh yeah, it'll right piss off the cartels too.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 9:47 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> theres no shortage of criminals
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 6:47 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I wish we would treat drugs here like they do in Spain and Portugal,
>>> but how would our for-profit prison system, police and federal law
>>> enforcement get money?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 6:42 PM Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Thats heroin that permantly alters the opoid receptors in the
 brain, the molecule is slightly larger than the normal brain chemical
 (dopamine i think) its replacing, so the receptor is enlarged. Its 
 actually
 that first use that is why doing heroin is called chasing the dragon,
 people are seeking to replicate that first high but never can because 
 the
 physiologic change only happens once so its like chasing a dragon

 On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 6:18 PM Josh Reynolds 
 wrote:

> That's Fake News.
>
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 2:21 PM Nate Burke 
> wrote:
>
>> I thought I heard somewhere that any use of Meth, even once,
>> permanently
>> alters the brain chemistry.  So it's not a 'recreational' drug,
>> and why
>> it's so addictive.
>>
>> On 4/17/2018 2:11 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>> > Anything that makes me not want to eat or sleep isn't for me.
>> I like
>> > those too much.
>> >
>> > Chuck McCown wrote:
>> >> If I am going to use bath salts, they are called Epsom and
>> they are
>> >> dissolved in hot water...
>> >> Not really clear what they mean by bath salts.
>> >>
>> >> I was prescribed Xanax once.  Made me sleepy.
>> >> Pot was not my thing back in the 70s...
>> >> (I preferred Olympia, Blitz, Rainier, Hamms, Miller, Heineken,

Re: [AFMUG] Switch Storm Control

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I don't have a good answer for you but  I really wish more devices
would permit filtering such that the only broadcasts/multicasts permitted
on customer facing segments were ARP and possibly DCHP if that's applicable
to you.

If you can exempt arp and dhcp from this, then the correct value is likely
as low as you can set it.

If you can't exempt arp and dhcp, you need to think about the ramifications
where a low level broadcast storm saturates the setting you have set and
prevents arp and dhcp from working

On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 3:49 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> What are you guys using as a 'standard' for packets per second storm
> control on your switches/devices?
>
> I can limit broadcast, multicast and unknown unicast type packets
>
> Is 100pps too low?
>
> Would this be based on say a /24 network arping and DHCP request type
> traffic?
>



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Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux and -48VDC

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

The radio/poe power is completely isolated from the control power (which
comes from the base unit) on the 4 channel gigabit poe's, and the power for
the PoE's defaults to on without a control voltage.The base unit
currently only works on positive voltages.

One of the options we're looking at on the rackinjector is providing some
internal terminals for a small DC-DC converter which would be mounted
either on or just behind the control board.

On Sat, Apr 14, 2018 at 8:16 PM, Seth Mattinen <se...@rollernet.us> wrote:

> On 4/14/18 6:09 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>
>> For various reasons you need positive voltage if you're doing traditional
>> power-interruption canopy style sync.  I.E. the type of sync which the
>> PowerInjector+Sync will do.  This general statement might not be 100% true
>> with the 450i (and perhaps some other more recent radios), but suffice it
>> to say that negative voltages aren't easy to deal with for sync.   Because
>> of this requirement the PIPS requires positive power.
>>
>>
> Makes sense. I was thinking about using some to power stuff that doesn't
> need sync (licensed radios) since I had them on hand instead of buying
> something. Does the power only SiteMonitor 4 Channel Gigabit PoE Injector &
> Controller will work fine with -48VDC or does its control power come over
> the bus connectors from the base unit? But then I think I remember a thread
> where the sitemonitor base unit itself only works with positive voltages.
>
>
> On the rackinjector, we support the newer Cambium style sync, which
>> doesn't much care about polarity, and also a polarity agnostic board which
>> also doesn't care about polarity.  For this reason, you can feed negative
>> voltages into the rackinjector.  Currently, you have to have at least one
>> of the three power supplies feeding the rackinjector set up for positive
>> voltage, and the other two can be positive or negative or whatever you
>> want, depending on the requirements of the expansion cards and the radios.
>>
>>
> No problem for me to throw a small DC-DC converter in the mix and feed it
> a positive voltage on one of the inputs for controls.
>
> ~Seth
>



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Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux and -48VDC

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

For various reasons you need positive voltage if you're doing traditional
power-interruption canopy style sync.  I.E. the type of sync which the
PowerInjector+Sync will do.  This general statement might not be 100% true
with the 450i (and perhaps some other more recent radios), but suffice it
to say that negative voltages aren't easy to deal with for sync.   Because
of this requirement the PIPS requires positive power.

On the rackinjector, we support the newer Cambium style sync, which doesn't
much care about polarity, and also a polarity agnostic board which also
doesn't care about polarity.  For this reason, you can feed negative
voltages into the rackinjector.   Currently, you have to have at least one
of the three power supplies feeding the rackinjector set up for positive
voltage, and the other two can be positive or negative or whatever you
want, depending on the requirements of the expansion cards and the radios.


One of the next released products will be a Cambium Sync product in the
traditional din mounted PIPS form factor.  What is holding us up is that we
need to make the "reliant on a positive voltage source for control"
requirement go away.  Every solution we look at tends to be way more
expensive than we want.

On Sat, Apr 14, 2018 at 5:53 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> The PowerInjector plus Sync does *not* work with a telco DC -48V input,
> correct? Only the new Rackinjector will?
>



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Re: [AFMUG] OT Fry sauce

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Having mixed more than one giant batch of the yummy concoction before I
left home for college (worked at the local fast food place the summer
before I left home), I'm in favor of this.

My only concern is if they'll get the ratio right...

On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 9:05 AM,  wrote:

> From the Salt Lake Tribune this morning:
>
>
> On Wednesday, Heinz asked American condiment lovers to decide— through a
> Twitter poll — if it should start selling Mayochup, a premade blend of
> mayonnaise and ketchup, in the United States. (According to the Evening
> Standard, a British newspaper, it’s been sold in Persian Gulf countries,
> like Dubai, for a couple of years.) The Twitter feed for Heinz
> Ketchup(@HeinzKetchup_US) posted this poll Wednesday: “Want #mayochup in
> stores? 500,000 votes for “yes” and we’ll release it to you saucy
> Americans.”
>
> Less than 24 hours after the poll was posted, more than 470,000 people had
> voted— with 55 percent approving of the product and 45 percent saying “Nah,
> I’ll make my own.”
>
> As anyone with a connection to Utah and its signature foods knows, the
> founder of Arctic Circle restaurants created this pink concoction in the
> 1950s as an alternative dipping sauce for french fries. Since then, almost
> every Utah restaurant has developed its own version using ketchup and
> mayonnaise— and sometimes pickle relish and spices.
>
> While huge in Utah, fry sauce remains mostly a mystery outside the state.
>



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Re: [AFMUG] OT: 18V component LEDs buffer reqmnt...

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Really depends on the LED.

The purpose of having the LEDs opposite polarity of each other is that LEDs
have a finite reverse voltage limit.   By placing them back to back the
'on' led protects the 'off' led from getting too much voltage, since the
'on' led will be limiting the voltage to whatever it's forward voltage is
(usually a couple of volts).  Once the first LED failed, there is a good
chance that the second one failed due to the first one not protecting it
from reverse voltage.

See
http://www1.futureelectronics.com/doc/EVERLIGHT%C2%A0/334-15__T1C1-4WYA.pdf
as an example, totally random datasheet for a white LED (just the first one
on google).

For this particular LED, you shouldn't exceed 5V in the reverse direction,
so putting a second one in the forward direction would limit this to 3.6v
(I'm ignoring the fact that this particular diode seems to be protected
from reverse overvoltage).

According to the datasheet you can do 30mA on average, so you should limit
to this currrent.  As chuck said, 20mA is probably safe for most LEDS,
although some might need more to get the rated display power.   One note is
that you can probably do 60mA when driving it with AC, since it's an
average value.

18VAC RMS is equivalent power to 18VDC, so using that plugging into a
resistor calculator  (
http://www.ohmslawcalculator.com/led-resistor-calculator ), says that a 600
ohm resistor will get you around 25mA, which should be fine *for this
particular LED*.

A higher value one will be dimmer but the LED will likely last longer.

My method for doing this type of repair would be to get the brightest led
you can find at 20mA, then adjust the resistor until it is a reasonable
brightness.   This will reduce power consumption and make the led last
longer.   Be mindful that the resistor may need to be a fairly high power
one, depending on how much voltage you're dropping and how much current is
being drawn.   (Multiply the resistor value times the current squared
(W=(I^2)*R), being mindful of units.  In the case stated, you'd need around
a half-watt resistor, and I'd probably make sure I was using a 1W or 2W one
just for safety).

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 8:02 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

>
> We have an electric gate for our little neighborhood. The keypad uses a
> little circuit board with a pair of white LEDs mounted on a tiny circuit
> board to light the keypad. The little circuit board is connected to a 16VAC
> transformer through a 600 ohm resister.
>
> One LED is forward biased, and the other is backward biased. So I assume
> they alternate lighting up as they get juice from the transformer. Well,
> both LEDs are done, finny, kaput.
>
> What I'm wondering is if I can put a new pair of 12V LEDs in this circuit
> and whether the 600 ohm resister is enough to protect them from the ~~
> 18VAC that is coming through the transformer? Or should I put in a bigger
> resister? I have no idea how much forward current an LED can handle.
>
>
> --
>
> bp
> 
>
>


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: IM Services

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Unless you pay for it...At least that's what I understand to be the case.




On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 8:20 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Non threaded, limited "free" history, utterly useless for multipronged
> projects, its only good for fanbois
>
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 8:11 PM Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>
>> What does that even mean? Channels? Group chat? File sharing? I'm in
>> slack channels with hundreds of users.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 8:05 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Slack is fine for a few users, beyond that its garbage. Powercode uses
>>> it now, its why i dropped out of the mikrotik testing
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 4:22 PM Josh Reynolds 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Slack, Ryver

 On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 4:19 PM Steve Jones 
 wrote:

> We use the shit out of trillian connected to our openfire server.
> Spark with openfire works well but you can only be logged into your 
> account
> from one device at a time, hence trillian. I bought a permanent license 
> for
> my client for like 60 bucks, was worth it plus it retains images. You dont
> have to connect back to another server like we do, but this way i control
> our users and log the communication
>
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 3:30 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:
>
>> Slack
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
>> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 12:26 PM
>> To: Animal Farm 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: IM Services
>>
>> With the demise of AIM, and not being on any social media sites,
>> what's available for Instant messaging apps these days?  Basically so I 
>> can
>> send the boss Hyperlinks without having to do everything through email
>> while we're on an intercom call.It looks like Trillian.im offers
>> a
>> service that is ad free for $2/user/mo  But I thought I saw that
>> there was a $10 minimum somewhere.
>>
>> Nate
>>
>>


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Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Oh, and one question

If we're the Borg, are you the Borg queen?

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 1:16 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I need to build a fence.  Keep people out of my equipment yard.  Lost a
> few things over the years, mostly radiators, wiring batts etc.  Copper
> stuff.
>
> So, what kind of fence.  How tall.  I am thinking 10’/8’ T post with
> hog/goat welded wire.
>
> Perhaps with those barbed wire brackets (if I can get them to fit) with
> three strands of barbed wire angling outward.
>
> Could do shorter.
> Could do chain link.
> Could do three strands of straight barbed wire at the top of 6’.
>
> Not sure I need to do the 2 3/8 pipe posts cemented in the ground except
> for the corners.
>
> If they will cut hog wire they will cut chain link I think.
>
> Chain link fence company quoted $25/foot.
>
> Cops say motion activated lights are the best deterrent.  Followed by
> working or not cameras.
> And I am doing/will do both of these.
>
> Opinions please.
>
>



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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium legacy case

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

As far as I know, cambium is still shipping radios with that mount.  The
very latest radios are a different style, but I'm not sure they're even
available in some bands yet.  Someone who buys this stuff will need to
confirm.

Also, keep in mind that customers like to hold onto gear until it is well
beyond obsolete.   A not insignificant chunk of my business comes from
products which are being used to power and/or otherwise support what I
would consider ancient radios.   As a result I still do backwards testing
and occasionally end up digging an old radio out of the archives to do
interoperability testing (see the 320 thread I started a few days ago).

I know that the WISP I am involved with still has a healthy number of
radios in that form factor in place.   I'm not sure if they're deploying
any more or not.

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 1:04 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I am pretty sure I was told or heard that Cambium is transitioning totally
> away from the old canopy style case.
>
> That is why I have stopped to building my little plastic clip basic
> mount.
>
> I sent out EOL to distributors but I continue to get orders.
> That form factor is a dead end, right?
>



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Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Give me a few minutes and I'll send a drawing which might help even more.
(Need to move to a different machine)

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018, 11:52 AM Christopher Tyler <ch...@totalhighspeed.net>
wrote:

> Generally the tirgger is measured in milliamps. Your load shouldn't be
> running through it. But rather through the remote relay.
> See the attached image for a quick wiring diagram. I think I drew the
> diode backwards, I was in a hurry.
>
> --
> Christopher Tyler
> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> Total Highspeed Internet Services
> 417.851.1107
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Paul McCall" <pa...@pdmnet.net>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 12:45:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay
>
> But, is the relay switching in the Packetflux bearing any of the load at
> any point?   I would think not, but the answers are a bit confusing, as
> though it is.
>
> I would think most basic relays could be triggered successfully with much
> less than 2A
>
> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List
> Account)
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 1:44 PM
> To: af <af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay
>
> The relay is rated for 2A@30V, and 60W above that.
>
> See https://www.mouser.com/datasheet/2/315/mech_eng_tx-1075670.pdf figure
> 1 on page 3 for a visual of this.
>
> I'd recommend that you test the relay operation with an ohm meter before
> trying a circuit.  There should be conductivity between C and NC and none
> between C and NO when the value is set to zero, and opposite  that when
> it's set to a one.
>
> If it doesn't work,  upgrade the firmware to the latest and try again.
> There have been a couple of relay bugs fixed in recent memory.   Also make
> sure that the relay on above and below rows  are set to a very high and low
> number since if that is enabled it will override the relay.
>
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018, 11:22 AM Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
> Yeah,  I thought this would be the case, for some reason, Packetflux
> support led my guy to realize that it didn’t work that way.
>
> SMH
>
> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> On Behalf Of
> Bill Prince
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 12:38 PM
> To: Motorola III <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay
>
> The typical solution with a light-duty relay is to use it to control a
> heavier relay that carries the actual load.
> -bp
>
> --
> bp
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 9:24 AM, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
> Yes, we know that, and have used it on lighter loads.  But, apparently
> there is a challenge on a heavier load as we described below.  Wanting to
> know if we can do what we want and maybe we just have the wrong external
> relay
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> On Behalf Of
> Christopher Tyler
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 12:20 PM
> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay
>
> Yes, there is a relay output on the siteMonitor II that you can trigger
> via SNMP or web interface.
>
> --
> Christopher Tyler
> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> Total Highspeed Internet Services
> 417.851.1107
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Paul McCall" <pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>>
> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 11:11:20 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay
>
> My service manager seems to be struggling with using the Sitemonitor Relay
> contact to trigger a 48 Relay that we want to use to power cycle the whole
> tower if necessary.  So, Packetflux states that the Relay control is
> maximum. 30v 1amp.  So a little more than half the amps at 48v.
>
> So, in the past (lighter loads on towers) we used this to trigger an
> external relay and "open" the ground to the main power feed going up the
> tower.  At 48v, we sometimes are around 2amp on the bigger towers, some
> perhaps a bit higher still.  (with a 48v relay).
>
> We should be able to use the Sitemonitor to somehow accomplish it.
>
> Can anybody comment on this?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Paul McCall, President
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
> 772-564-6800
> pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net><mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net pa...@pdmnet.net>>
> www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com><http://www.pdmnet.com>
> www.floridabroadband.com<http://www.floridabroadband.com><
> http://www.floridabroadband.com>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Depends on the load and how you wire it.

For smaller sites I've been known to use a small 24VDC fan for ventilation
which consumes less than 1A, so I switch it directly with the relay.

If you get closer to the relay rating you should use an off board relay,
 and then you use the on board relay to control the power for the coil of
the off board relay.   The on board relay just carries enough current to
power the coil which isn't that much except for very large relays.

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018, 11:45 AM Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:

> But, is the relay switching in the Packetflux bearing any of the load at
> any point?   I would think not, but the answers are a bit confusing, as
> though it is.
>
>
>
> I would think most basic relays could be triggered successfully with much
> less than 2A
>
>
>
> *From:* Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Forrest Christian (List
> Account)
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 10, 2018 1:44 PM
> *To:* af <af@afmug.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay
>
>
>
> The relay is rated for 2A@30V, and 60W above that.
>
>
>
> See https://www.mouser.com/datasheet/2/315/mech_eng_tx-1075670.pdf figure
> 1 on page 3 for a visual of this.
>
>
>
> I'd recommend that you test the relay operation with an ohm meter before
> trying a circuit.  There should be conductivity between C and NC and none
> between C and NO when the value is set to zero, and opposite  that when
> it's set to a one.
>
>
>
> If it doesn't work,  upgrade the firmware to the latest and try again.
> There have been a couple of relay bugs fixed in recent memory.   Also make
> sure that the relay on above and below rows  are set to a very high and low
> number since if that is enabled it will override the relay.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018, 11:22 AM Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:
>
> Yeah,  I thought this would be the case, for some reason, Packetflux
> support led my guy to realize that it didn’t work that way.
>
>
>
> SMH
>
>
>
> *From:* Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 10, 2018 12:38 PM
> *To:* Motorola III <af@afmug.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay
>
>
>
> The typical solution with a light-duty relay is to use it to control a
> heavier relay that carries the actual load.
>
> -bp
>
>
> --
>
> bp
>
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 9:24 AM, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:
>
> Yes, we know that, and have used it on lighter loads.  But, apparently
> there is a challenge on a heavier load as we described below.  Wanting to
> know if we can do what we want and maybe we just have the wrong external
> relay
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> On Behalf Of Christopher Tyler
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 12:20 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay
>
> Yes, there is a relay output on the siteMonitor II that you can trigger
> via SNMP or web interface.
>
> --
> Christopher Tyler
> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> Total Highspeed Internet Services
> 417.851.1107
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Paul McCall" <pa...@pdmnet.net>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 11:11:20 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay
>
> My service manager seems to be struggling with using the Sitemonitor Relay
> contact to trigger a 48 Relay that we want to use to power cycle the whole
> tower if necessary.  So, Packetflux states that the Relay control is
> maximum. 30v 1amp.  So a little more than half the amps at 48v.
>
> So, in the past (lighter loads on towers) we used this to trigger an
> external relay and "open" the ground to the main power feed going up the
> tower.  At 48v, we sometimes are around 2amp on the bigger towers, some
> perhaps a bit higher still.  (with a 48v relay).
>
> We should be able to use the Sitemonitor to somehow accomplish it.
>
> Can anybody comment on this?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Paul McCall, President
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
> 772-564-6800
> pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
> www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com>
> www.floridabroadband.com<http://www.floridabroadband.com>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

The relay is rated for 2A@30V, and 60W above that.

See https://www.mouser.com/datasheet/2/315/mech_eng_tx-1075670.pdf figure 1
on page 3 for a visual of this.

I'd recommend that you test the relay operation with an ohm meter before
trying a circuit.  There should be conductivity between C and NC and none
between C and NO when the value is set to zero, and opposite  that when
it's set to a one.

If it doesn't work,  upgrade the firmware to the latest and try again.
There have been a couple of relay bugs fixed in recent memory.   Also make
sure that the relay on above and below rows  are set to a very high and low
number since if that is enabled it will override the relay.

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018, 11:22 AM Paul McCall  wrote:

> Yeah,  I thought this would be the case, for some reason, Packetflux
> support led my guy to realize that it didn’t work that way.
>
>
>
> SMH
>
>
>
> *From:* Af  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 10, 2018 12:38 PM
> *To:* Motorola III 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay
>
>
>
> The typical solution with a light-duty relay is to use it to control a
> heavier relay that carries the actual load.
>
> -bp
>
>
> --
>
> bp
>
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 9:24 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> Yes, we know that, and have used it on lighter loads.  But, apparently
> there is a challenge on a heavier load as we described below.  Wanting to
> know if we can do what we want and maybe we just have the wrong external
> relay
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af  On Behalf Of Christopher Tyler
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 12:20 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay
>
> Yes, there is a relay output on the siteMonitor II that you can trigger
> via SNMP or web interface.
>
> --
> Christopher Tyler
> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> Total Highspeed Internet Services
> 417.851.1107
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Paul McCall" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 11:11:20 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay
>
> My service manager seems to be struggling with using the Sitemonitor Relay
> contact to trigger a 48 Relay that we want to use to power cycle the whole
> tower if necessary.  So, Packetflux states that the Relay control is
> maximum. 30v 1amp.  So a little more than half the amps at 48v.
>
> So, in the past (lighter loads on towers) we used this to trigger an
> external relay and "open" the ground to the main power feed going up the
> tower.  At 48v, we sometimes are around 2amp on the bigger towers, some
> perhaps a bit higher still.  (with a 48v relay).
>
> We should be able to use the Sitemonitor to somehow accomplish it.
>
> Can anybody comment on this?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Paul McCall, President
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
> 772-564-6800
> pa...@pdmnet.net
> www.pdmnet.com
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>

[AFMUG] WANTED: Used 320 Access Point, maybe with bad RF or something similar

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I've never been able to procure a 320 access point for my lab, always been
able to borrow one, and that's not a possiblity anymore.

Is there by chance someone on the list with a 320 access point on the shelf
that they would like to get rid of for next to nothing?   I need it to
power on and be able to receive sync, anything else I don't really care
about unless it affects poweron and sync testing.   I.E. I don't really
care if the rf side works reliably, but I would care if the sync is blown
out, or the radio wasn't stable (crashes, reboots, etc) since those would
impact my ability to verify proper operation of the radio.

-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

Re: [AFMUG] OT SIP issue

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Are they behind nat?

Sounds like it might be a reinvite issue, asterisk will try to get out of
the audio path by telling the endpoints to talk directly to each other.
 If nat is involved asterisk will often tell the endpoints to talk directly
even if they have no direct connection between them.

Disabling reinvite may help if this is the case.

On Sun, Apr 8, 2018, 11:27 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Pulling our hair out.  The Aastra phones will call each other, we can send
> dtmf but no audio.  Linksys sip ata does the same thing.  These were
> working, very frustrating.
>

Re: [AFMUG] GPS problems around 11:30 to 1:30 every night

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

But the question is, why at the same time every day?   Especially since the
gps satellites don't orbit on a 24 hour period...   that's what has me
troubled with my customer.

On Fri, Apr 6, 2018, 2:11 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> Exposure to the north or south should not make a significant difference.
> GPS satellites, excepting the WAAS satellites, are not in geostationary
> orbits. They are (mostly?) in medium earth orbit of around 12,000 miles.
>
> I think it may be more of how much of the sky they can see.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 4/6/2018 1:45 PM, Dave wrote:
>
> how much exposure to the northern hemisphere does it have?
> If I remember those antennas are fairly small
>
>
> On 04/06/2018 10:15 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> I have an epmp that has GPS problems and goes into the hold timer for a
> few minutes every single night for the last many months (maybe even a
> year).
>
> Didn't think much of it until I noticed all of the times being right
> around midnight, give or take...
>
> WTF?  Any ideas what's causing it?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> --
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] GPS problems around 11:30 to 1:30 every night

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I have a customer which has this happen at several sites all at a similar
time every night.

On Fri, Apr 6, 2018, 8:15 AM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> I have an epmp that has GPS problems and goes into the hold timer for a
> few minutes every single night for the last many months (maybe even a year).
>
> Didn't think much of it until I noticed all of the times being right
> around midnight, give or take...
>
> WTF?  Any ideas what's causing it?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>

Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech rack mount surge suppressor with Medusa

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

7,8 + 4,5- is standard canopy pinout, has to be that way for sync over
power.
Add:
3,6 + 1,2- for 450m.

The 450m just wants two positive and two negatives, it really doesn't care
which ones.   The ones I mentioned above seem to be the standard canopy
method of doing this.

On Tue, Apr 3, 2018, 10:06 AM Sam Lambie  wrote:

> This is what the jumpers are out of the box. Lets see if I got this right.
> From Left to Right 7,8 +, 4,5+, Skip, 3,6 Nada, 1,2 Nada
> I'm totally confused. I thought 4,5 should be - and 7,8 + for Mode A
> Passive POE. Ugh, not enough coffee to get it.
>
> Please help
>
> On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 9:44 AM, Sam Lambie  wrote:
>
>> Forrest,
>> Please forgive me for my ignorance, but what jumpers are needed to make
>> this puppy gigabit for the Cambium Medusa? I see: Pin 1 Upper 2, Pin 2
>> Upper 2, Pin3 Bottom 2, Pins 4 and 5 Upper1
>> Or is there documentation on how to set these puppies?
>> Thanks
>> Sam
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 10:08 AM,  wrote:
>>
>>> Matt, sending you a note off list.
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Matt
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 4:08 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech rack mount surge suppressor with Medusa
>>>
>>> OK, so grounds are related to the problem.

 There may be something unusual with timing pulses on the power that is
 causing the surge suppressor to fire.
 Forrest would know much more than I about that.

 I honestly don’t know if anyone has tried my product with a Medusa
 before.
 I have a 100% gas tube version that may solve the problem.

>>>
>>> I am still having some troubles with PTP450i holding 1gbit ethernet
>>> even with Cambium sync.  Not near as bad with Cambium Sync though.
>>> Will these gas tube versions work any better?  Will they still keep
>>> equipment safe?
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> *Sam Lambie*
>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>> 575-758-7598 <(575)%20758-7598> Office
>> www.Taosnet.com 
>>
>
>
>
> --
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com 
>

Re: [AFMUG] new DNS

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

r.  Makes the
> customer experience much better. There are RFCs that address this, but if
> they are implemented is a crapshoot.
>
>
>
> Secondly, relying on a 3rd party for such a critical service such as DNS
> can be troublesome.  Would you rely on someone else to provide the wireless
> signal to your customers blindly? If so, then offloading DNS is okay for
> you.  I want more control for such a critical service.
>
>
>
> I hear folks worry about the bandwidth DNS takes up.  It’s not a concern
> either way.  If your network can’t support the bandwidth of DNS queries
> then you have deeper issues.
>
>
>
> It’s hard.  No it’s not.  Tons of tutorials on Bind for every flavor of
> linux.  Just about any old machine laying around can run DNS.
>
>
>
> If anyone wants to know how easy, and how cheap it is to spin up DNS (both
> recursive and authoritative) hit me up.  I will gladly talk with you about
> some strategy.
>
>
>
> Justin Wilson
>
> j...@mtin.net
>
>
>
> www.mtin.net
>
> www.midwest-ix.com
>
>
>
> On Apr 3, 2018, at 6:34 AM, Paul Stewart <p...@paulstewart.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> I know there is often debates on here about running any servers, some
> servers, or doing everything in-house (mail, web, DNS etc).  Even if you
> outsource everything I would still run recursive caching DNS …. Performance
> and reliability the main reasons.  Some CDN’s and other services determine
> the path to send you content based on where the DNS look up occurs and in
> our case that’s a significant factor …
>
>
>
> We operate our own anycasted DNS …actually two of them.  One set of
> servers for recursive caching and another set for authoritative DNS.
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of "Forrest Christian (List
> Account)" <li...@packetflux.com>
> *Reply-To: *<af@afmug.com>
> *Date: *Tuesday, April 3, 2018 at 4:33 AM
> *To: *af <af@afmug.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] new DNS
>
>
>
> Because it's good for your customers, and it should take very little time
> to set one up.
>
>
>
> The main reason for this is so that websites serve data from the closest
> server due to the way that DNS anycast works.
>
>
>
> And, the biggest one - to have control over a critical piece of
> infrastructure for your customers.  What happens if one of these public DNS
> services go down and you have hundreds of customers pointing at it?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 11:33 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Someone remind me again why I have my own recursive DNS.
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>
> To: af@afmug.com
>
> Sent: 4/2/2018 3:22:57 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new DNS
>
>
>
> Yes, bunch of discussions over the past few days on NANOG and some of the
> vendor mailing lists.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 2, 2018, 2:21 PM Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net> wrote:
>
>
> https://gizmodo.com/how-to-speed-up-your-internet-and-protect-your-privacy-1824256587
>
> Faster and more private than Google or others. :)
>
> Travis
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] new DNS

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Because it's good for your customers, and it should take very little time
to set one up.

The main reason for this is so that websites serve data from the closest
server due to the way that DNS anycast works.

And, the biggest one - to have control over a critical piece of
infrastructure for your customers.  What happens if one of these public DNS
services go down and you have hundreds of customers pointing at it?

On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 11:33 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Someone remind me again why I have my own recursive DNS.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 4/2/2018 3:22:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new DNS
>
> Yes, bunch of discussions over the past few days on NANOG and some of the
> vendor mailing lists.
>
> On Mon, Apr 2, 2018, 2:21 PM Travis Johnson  wrote:
>
>> https://gizmodo.com/how-to-speed-up-your-internet-and-
>> protect-your-privacy-1824256587
>>
>> Faster and more private than Google or others. :)
>>
>> Travis
>>
>>


-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux powerinjector input rating?

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Shouldn't be a problem, just make sure the radios don't expect positive
ground.  (Aka -48).   Many of the newer ones are isolated, some of the
olders tie the positive side of the rails to ground.

On Mon, Apr 2, 2018, 5:20 PM Seth Mattinen <se...@rollernet.us> wrote:

> On 4/2/18 3:49 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
> > No need to split, it's designed for that amperage on either input.
> >
> > With that in mind I might be inclined to recommend you split it if you
> > can easily,  just because lower currents through connectors and traces
> > reduce losses.
>
>
> Yeah, I can put two ports on A and two on B no problem, I am planning to
> use it to power some licensed gear up to around 70 watts.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux powerinjector input rating?

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

No need to split, it's designed for that amperage on either input.

With that in mind I might be inclined to recommend you split it if you can
easily,  just because lower currents through connectors and traces reduce
losses.

On Mon, Apr 2, 2018, 10:42 AM Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> If the description for the Packetflux powerinjector plus sync gigabit
> says "2A per per port maximum power when using all 4 pair powering
> schemes.  (96 watts at 48 V)", is the input maximum 8A on a single input
> or does it have to be split 4A across inputs A and B?
>

Re: [AFMUG] 2.5G Base-T

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Looks like mikrotik claims to have copper sfp+ which negotiates to 2.5 as
well as 5 and 10.   S+RJ10.



On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 2:30 PM, Seth Mattinen <se...@rollernet.us> wrote:

> On 3/29/18 1:22 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>
>> I didn't even realize this was a thing.  Thought everything was going
>> fiber above 1Gb/s
>>
>
>
> 2.5GBASE-T ports exist on IgniteNet gear, at least. I haven't seen any
> switches in the wild yet.
>



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Re: [AFMUG] 2.5G Base-T

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I didn't even realize this was a thing.  Thought everything was going fiber
above 1Gb/s

This is a definite  maybe?

Are there switches out there with this in the wild for testing?

On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 7:19 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Chuck and Forrest, do your products work with 2.5G Base-T that's getting
> more popular on ac\ad chipsets?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
>



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Re: [AFMUG] GPS antennas

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I've always lucked out and been able to get a used PCTEL/MAXRAD commercial
ones.   They're about $160 street price new.   GPS-TMG-40NMS as an example.

Not sure if these are good for GLONASS and the like though

On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 2:45 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Which antenna do you  recommend?
>
> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 28, 2018 1:02 PM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] GPS antennas
>
> Every external 'commercial' GPS antenna that I've seen has a N connector
> on the bottom of it.   You can buy 'cheap chinese outdoor' GPS antennas
> with a long lead and a SMA connector on the end as wellbut I'm not sure
> I'd trust those.
>
> On the equipment end, there doesn't seem to be a standard.   I have gear
> with SMA, N, BNC and even F connectors for the GPS antenna.   The cambium
> CMM's (CMM4 and earlier) seem to use BNC's.   The LMG equipment uses N
> connectors.   One of my two GPSDO's uses a F connector, the other uses a
> SMA.   I have two symmetricam GPS distribution amplifiers which both have
> all N connectors.   I have a GPS re-radiator amplifier which uses SMA
> connectors.
>
> I think it's safe to expect the outside antenna to have a N connector on
> it, since you probably don't want the cheap chinese antennas since they
> seem to fail on a fairly regular basis (poor quality electronics inside
> them).   What you use on the inside probably can just be decided based on
> your mechanicals, not as per any standard.
>
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 7:32 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> What does the CMM line of products use for an antenna?
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 27, 2018 7:59 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] GPS antennas
>>
>> I have done N to SMA adapter on two jobs where antenna had N connectors.
>> But most of the GPS antennas install in vehicle for tracking or 4G LTE
>> mobile NVRs have been SMA.
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018, 7:54 PM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> But if you have to install an outdoor GPS antenna, are you OK with
>>> terminating an SMA on a cable for that?  Like RG58 or LMR195?
>>>
>>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 27, 2018 7:49 PM
>>> *To:* Animal Farm
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] GPS antennas
>>>
>>> SMA is what I use on GPS and even on GPS repeaters Installed in several
>>> manufacturing plants across border.
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018, 7:39 PM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> What kind of GPS antennas does everyone prefer for outdoor mounting?
>>>> What kind of RF connectors are prefered?
>>>>
>>>> I have a BITS clock completed (sans framing, will get back to that
>>>> someday).  It is rack mounted.
>>>> But we have to cable it to an outside antenna.  So, the installers will
>>>> most likely have to terminate the cable.
>>>> BNC, N, F, SMA, Mini UHF, UHF, lotsa options.
>>>>
>>>> What does the CMM family use for antennas and connectors?
>>>>
>>>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] GPS antennas

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Every external 'commercial' GPS antenna that I've seen has a N connector on
the bottom of it.   You can buy 'cheap chinese outdoor' GPS antennas with a
long lead and a SMA connector on the end as wellbut I'm not sure I'd
trust those.

On the equipment end, there doesn't seem to be a standard.   I have gear
with SMA, N, BNC and even F connectors for the GPS antenna.   The cambium
CMM's (CMM4 and earlier) seem to use BNC's.   The LMG equipment uses N
connectors.   One of my two GPSDO's uses a F connector, the other uses a
SMA.   I have two symmetricam GPS distribution amplifiers which both have
all N connectors.   I have a GPS re-radiator amplifier which uses SMA
connectors.

I think it's safe to expect the outside antenna to have a N connector on
it, since you probably don't want the cheap chinese antennas since they
seem to fail on a fairly regular basis (poor quality electronics inside
them).   What you use on the inside probably can just be decided based on
your mechanicals, not as per any standard.

On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 7:32 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> What does the CMM line of products use for an antenna?
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 27, 2018 7:59 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] GPS antennas
>
> I have done N to SMA adapter on two jobs where antenna had N connectors.
> But most of the GPS antennas install in vehicle for tracking or 4G LTE
> mobile NVRs have been SMA.
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018, 7:54 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> But if you have to install an outdoor GPS antenna, are you OK with
>> terminating an SMA on a cable for that?  Like RG58 or LMR195?
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 27, 2018 7:49 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] GPS antennas
>>
>> SMA is what I use on GPS and even on GPS repeaters Installed in several
>> manufacturing plants across border.
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018, 7:39 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> What kind of GPS antennas does everyone prefer for outdoor mounting?
>>> What kind of RF connectors are prefered?
>>>
>>> I have a BITS clock completed (sans framing, will get back to that
>>> someday).  It is rack mounted.
>>> But we have to cable it to an outside antenna.  So, the installers will
>>> most likely have to terminate the cable.
>>> BNC, N, F, SMA, Mini UHF, UHF, lotsa options.
>>>
>>> What does the CMM family use for antennas and connectors?
>>>
>>


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Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech rack mount surge suppressor with Medusa

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

These do  ship with a sticker, which says something to this effect.  Don't
remember the exact phrasing, probably need to review it as it may not be as
clear as I like.

I also think you'll like what we're doing to simplify the documentation for
our PoE and sync Products.

On Tue, Mar 27, 2018, 8:55 AM Sam Lambie <samtaos...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I feel like I have a good handle on your products and what they can do
> Forrest, but even a sticker on those products that let you know that you
> should make sure that you check your jumper settings before use would be
> good. Otherwise, your gear rocks and I appreciate it all.
>
> Sam
>
> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 6:44 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> Let me rephrase..to be more complete.
>>
>> There are some docs, they're hard to find.  They're also not very pretty
>> and assume knowledge that some of our customers don't have.   This is what
>> we're fixing.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018, 6:39 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Long story short, there are some docs but they're hard to find.  We're
>>> fixing this.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018, 5:08 PM Sam Lambie <samtaos...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ok I'll give it a shot as soon as I can. I wish there was some real
>>>> documentation that came with them or at least a link to an updated user
>>>> guide Or am I blind and I just stuck my foot in my mouth?
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 4:43 PM, George Skorup <
>>>> george.sko...@cbcast.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Open up the injector. The jumper positions are printed on the board.
>>>>> Top left I believe.
>>>>>
>>>>> The default is -4/5 +7/8 and PowerA input on all four ports. So if you
>>>>> just plugged it in without any jumper changes, then you're pretty much
>>>>> trying to put ~1.5A on a single pair (one pair positive, the other 
>>>>> return).
>>>>> That's probably ungood.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jumper the other two pairs so you get -4/5 +7/8 -1/2 +3/6. Try the SS
>>>>> again and see if the port trips.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/26/2018 5:10 PM, Sam Lambie wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, since I don't have any spares of the  *PowerInjector Plus Sync
>>>>> - Gigabit Version,* I bought a couple as I have plans for other
>>>>> locations for Medusas. In the meantime, please tell me how to make sure
>>>>> that the jumpers are set correctly.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 3:41 PM, Sam Lambie <samtaos...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> GPS is not physically connected to input of SyncInjector now daisy
>>>>>> chained from the other Syncinjectors, the AP is getting timing from 
>>>>>> Syncbox
>>>>>> jr via UGPS power setting on radio . Cat6 is 115' long.
>>>>>> I didn't even know that jumpering was an option. I guess I have to
>>>>>> RTFM for the jumper location on the syncinjector? Can you please point me
>>>>>> to the manual? I have never been able to find any documentation on these
>>>>>> things...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 12:10 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>>>>>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh, and you have the injector jumpered for all 4 pairs?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018, 12:09 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>>>>>>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is the sync pulse disabled or no gps receiver connected?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How long of a wire?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018, 9:52 AM Sam Lambie <samtaos...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Timing is being done on the Aux Port. Nothing going through the
>>>>>>>>> Power Port. I'll give the Gas tube version a shot if you got it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 9:37 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>&

Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech rack mount surge suppressor with Medusa

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Let me rephrase..to be more complete.

There are some docs, they're hard to find.  They're also not very pretty
and assume knowledge that some of our customers don't have.   This is what
we're fixing.




On Mon, Mar 26, 2018, 6:39 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> Long story short, there are some docs but they're hard to find.  We're
> fixing this.
>
> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018, 5:08 PM Sam Lambie <samtaos...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Ok I'll give it a shot as soon as I can. I wish there was some real
>> documentation that came with them or at least a link to an updated user
>> guide Or am I blind and I just stuck my foot in my mouth?
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 4:43 PM, George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Open up the injector. The jumper positions are printed on the board. Top
>>> left I believe.
>>>
>>> The default is -4/5 +7/8 and PowerA input on all four ports. So if you
>>> just plugged it in without any jumper changes, then you're pretty much
>>> trying to put ~1.5A on a single pair (one pair positive, the other return).
>>> That's probably ungood.
>>>
>>> Jumper the other two pairs so you get -4/5 +7/8 -1/2 +3/6. Try the SS
>>> again and see if the port trips.
>>>
>>> On 3/26/2018 5:10 PM, Sam Lambie wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, since I don't have any spares of the  *PowerInjector Plus Sync -
>>> Gigabit Version,* I bought a couple as I have plans for other locations
>>> for Medusas. In the meantime, please tell me how to make sure that the
>>> jumpers are set correctly.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 3:41 PM, Sam Lambie <samtaos...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> GPS is not physically connected to input of SyncInjector now daisy
>>>> chained from the other Syncinjectors, the AP is getting timing from Syncbox
>>>> jr via UGPS power setting on radio . Cat6 is 115' long.
>>>> I didn't even know that jumpering was an option. I guess I have to RTFM
>>>> for the jumper location on the syncinjector? Can you please point me to the
>>>> manual? I have never been able to find any documentation on these things...
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 12:10 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>>>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Oh, and you have the injector jumpered for all 4 pairs?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018, 12:09 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>>>>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Is the sync pulse disabled or no gps receiver connected?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How long of a wire?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018, 9:52 AM Sam Lambie <samtaos...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Timing is being done on the Aux Port. Nothing going through the
>>>>>>> Power Port. I'll give the Gas tube version a shot if you got it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 9:37 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> OK, so grounds are related to the problem.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There may be something unusual with timing pulses on the power that
>>>>>>>> is causing the surge suppressor to fire.
>>>>>>>> Forrest would know much more than I about that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I honestly don’t know if anyone has tried my product with a Medusa
>>>>>>>> before.
>>>>>>>> I have a 100% gas tube version that may solve the problem.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *From:* Sam Lambie
>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 26, 2018 9:18 AM
>>>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech rack mount surge suppressor with
>>>>>>>> Medusa
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I did pull it from the rack and let it float, no change, however, I
>>>>>>>> didn't reboot it while the card was floating.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 3:15 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When this gets sent..

Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech rack mount surge suppressor with Medusa

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Long story short, there are some docs but they're hard to find.  We're
fixing this.

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018, 5:08 PM Sam Lambie <samtaos...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ok I'll give it a shot as soon as I can. I wish there was some real
> documentation that came with them or at least a link to an updated user
> guide Or am I blind and I just stuck my foot in my mouth?
>
> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 4:43 PM, George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Open up the injector. The jumper positions are printed on the board. Top
>> left I believe.
>>
>> The default is -4/5 +7/8 and PowerA input on all four ports. So if you
>> just plugged it in without any jumper changes, then you're pretty much
>> trying to put ~1.5A on a single pair (one pair positive, the other return).
>> That's probably ungood.
>>
>> Jumper the other two pairs so you get -4/5 +7/8 -1/2 +3/6. Try the SS
>> again and see if the port trips.
>>
>> On 3/26/2018 5:10 PM, Sam Lambie wrote:
>>
>> Well, since I don't have any spares of the  *PowerInjector Plus Sync -
>> Gigabit Version,* I bought a couple as I have plans for other locations
>> for Medusas. In the meantime, please tell me how to make sure that the
>> jumpers are set correctly.
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 3:41 PM, Sam Lambie <samtaos...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> GPS is not physically connected to input of SyncInjector now daisy
>>> chained from the other Syncinjectors, the AP is getting timing from Syncbox
>>> jr via UGPS power setting on radio . Cat6 is 115' long.
>>> I didn't even know that jumpering was an option. I guess I have to RTFM
>>> for the jumper location on the syncinjector? Can you please point me to the
>>> manual? I have never been able to find any documentation on these things...
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 12:10 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oh, and you have the injector jumpered for all 4 pairs?
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018, 12:09 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>>>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Is the sync pulse disabled or no gps receiver connected?
>>>>>
>>>>> How long of a wire?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018, 9:52 AM Sam Lambie <samtaos...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Timing is being done on the Aux Port. Nothing going through the Power
>>>>>> Port. I'll give the Gas tube version a shot if you got it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 9:37 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OK, so grounds are related to the problem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There may be something unusual with timing pulses on the power that
>>>>>>> is causing the surge suppressor to fire.
>>>>>>> Forrest would know much more than I about that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I honestly don’t know if anyone has tried my product with a Medusa
>>>>>>> before.
>>>>>>> I have a 100% gas tube version that may solve the problem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* Sam Lambie
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 26, 2018 9:18 AM
>>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech rack mount surge suppressor with
>>>>>>> Medusa
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I did pull it from the rack and let it float, no change, however, I
>>>>>>> didn't reboot it while the card was floating.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 3:15 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When this gets sent
>>>>>>>> Sorry you are having difficulty.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would pull it from the rack and see if the interruption of the
>>>>>>>> ground fixes the problem.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The issue is either noise to/from the ground.
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> Transverse impulses getting clamped.  Could be something about the
>>>>>>>> new timing stuff that I don’t understand.
>>>>>>>> Forrest is probably better versed in thinking about this than I 

Re: [AFMUG] wbmfg APC Surge Suppressor with Cambium Medusa?

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Yes, the single blink seems like an overcurrent on port one.   The
questions I asked in the other thread might lead us to the cause.

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018, 12:02 PM George Skorup 
wrote:

> IIRC, 1 flash = port #1 is tripped. 20 seconds sounds like boot up and
> then RF initialization puts it over the edge. That's pretty odd since Chuck
> has tested the GigE modules over 1A per pair. But the SS is obviously
> clamping if the port is tripping.
>
> On 3/26/2018 9:54 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
>
> I sent a request to the list last week, but I think it got eaten but the
> list monsters.
> Last week, I installed a Cambium Medusa at one of my sites, replacing a
> 450 AP. I removed the APC surge suppressor and put in a gige HV model for
> the Medusa. It fires up, pings for about 20 seconds and then the whole
> SyncInjector looks like it shuts down. I get a 1 blink error code.
> When I take the SS out of the equation, it works fine. The only thing that
> I can think of is that the switch is a 2960 Cisco 10/100 and it can't
> handle the auto negotiation?
>
> Basic layout of Network back to Switch is this:
> Medusa > Cat6 100' (Tested at 1gig) > WBMFG APC SS > Packet Flux Gig
> SyncInjector powered by Traco  DIN rail PSU > Data out to Cisco 2960.
> Medusa is getting Sync from Sync Box Jr at Antenna location via Aux port
> (UGPS power enabled)
>
> Thanks!
> Sam
> --
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com 
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech rack mount surge suppressor with Medusa

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Oh, and you have the injector jumpered for all 4 pairs?

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018, 12:09 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> Is the sync pulse disabled or no gps receiver connected?
>
> How long of a wire?
>
> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018, 9:52 AM Sam Lambie <samtaos...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Timing is being done on the Aux Port. Nothing going through the Power
>> Port. I'll give the Gas tube version a shot if you got it.
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 9:37 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> OK, so grounds are related to the problem.
>>>
>>> There may be something unusual with timing pulses on the power that is
>>> causing the surge suppressor to fire.
>>> Forrest would know much more than I about that.
>>>
>>> I honestly don’t know if anyone has tried my product with a Medusa
>>> before.
>>> I have a 100% gas tube version that may solve the problem.
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Sam Lambie
>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 26, 2018 9:18 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech rack mount surge suppressor with
>>> Medusa
>>>
>>> I did pull it from the rack and let it float, no change, however, I
>>> didn't reboot it while the card was floating.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 3:15 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> When this gets sent
>>>> Sorry you are having difficulty.
>>>>
>>>> I would pull it from the rack and see if the interruption of the ground
>>>> fixes the problem.
>>>>
>>>> The issue is either noise to/from the ground.
>>>> or
>>>> Transverse impulses getting clamped.  Could be something about the new
>>>> timing stuff that I don’t understand.
>>>> Forrest is probably better versed in thinking about this than I am.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps the server got launched by Elon Musk and the time delay is just
>>>> accumulating.
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Sam Lambie
>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 25, 2018 6:10 AM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] mccowntech rack mount surge suppressor with Medusa
>>>>
>>>> Yo smart folks,
>>>>
>>>> I put a gige APC HV rack mount surge suppressor inline with a Cambium
>>>> Medusa today. It booted up, got in about 20 pings and then the Packetflux
>>>> SyncInjector shutdown. Tried putting the Ethernet cable directly in the
>>>> SyncInjector and it worked, just like on the bench when I tested Sync (via
>>>> Aux Jr) and Power- Data. I never tested a surge suppressor. Which ones work
>>>> with the thing?
>>>> Chuck, What say you?
>>>>
>>>> Sam
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> --
>>>> *Sam Lambie*
>>>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>>>> 575-758-7598 <(575)%20758-7598> Office
>>>> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>> *Sam Lambie*
>>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>>> 575-758-7598 <(575)%20758-7598> Office
>>> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> *Sam Lambie*
>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>> 575-758-7598 Office
>> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech rack mount surge suppressor with Medusa

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Is the sync pulse disabled or no gps receiver connected?

How long of a wire?

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018, 9:52 AM Sam Lambie  wrote:

> Timing is being done on the Aux Port. Nothing going through the Power
> Port. I'll give the Gas tube version a shot if you got it.
>
> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 9:37 AM,  wrote:
>
>> OK, so grounds are related to the problem.
>>
>> There may be something unusual with timing pulses on the power that is
>> causing the surge suppressor to fire.
>> Forrest would know much more than I about that.
>>
>> I honestly don’t know if anyone has tried my product with a Medusa before.
>> I have a 100% gas tube version that may solve the problem.
>>
>>
>> *From:* Sam Lambie
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 26, 2018 9:18 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech rack mount surge suppressor with Medusa
>>
>> I did pull it from the rack and let it float, no change, however, I
>> didn't reboot it while the card was floating.
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 3:15 PM,  wrote:
>>
>>> When this gets sent
>>> Sorry you are having difficulty.
>>>
>>> I would pull it from the rack and see if the interruption of the ground
>>> fixes the problem.
>>>
>>> The issue is either noise to/from the ground.
>>> or
>>> Transverse impulses getting clamped.  Could be something about the new
>>> timing stuff that I don’t understand.
>>> Forrest is probably better versed in thinking about this than I am.
>>>
>>> Perhaps the server got launched by Elon Musk and the time delay is just
>>> accumulating.
>>>
>>> *From:* Sam Lambie
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 25, 2018 6:10 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] mccowntech rack mount surge suppressor with Medusa
>>>
>>> Yo smart folks,
>>>
>>> I put a gige APC HV rack mount surge suppressor inline with a Cambium
>>> Medusa today. It booted up, got in about 20 pings and then the Packetflux
>>> SyncInjector shutdown. Tried putting the Ethernet cable directly in the
>>> SyncInjector and it worked, just like on the bench when I tested Sync (via
>>> Aux Jr) and Power- Data. I never tested a surge suppressor. Which ones work
>>> with the thing?
>>> Chuck, What say you?
>>>
>>> Sam
>>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>> *Sam Lambie*
>>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>>> 575-758-7598 <(575)%20758-7598> Office
>>> www.Taosnet.com 
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> *Sam Lambie*
>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>> 575-758-7598 <(575)%20758-7598> Office
>> www.Taosnet.com 
>>
>
>
>
> --
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com 
>

Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech rack mount surge suppressor with Medusa

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

What power supplies are you using with the medusa?  How many radios?

On Sun, Mar 25, 2018, 6:10 AM Sam Lambie  wrote:

> Yo smart folks,
>
> I put a gige APC HV rack mount surge suppressor inline with a Cambium
> Medusa today. It booted up, got in about 20 pings and then the Packetflux
> SyncInjector shutdown. Tried putting the Ethernet cable directly in the
> SyncInjector and it worked, just like on the bench when I tested Sync (via
> Aux Jr) and Power- Data. I never tested a surge suppressor. Which ones work
> with the thing?
> Chuck, What say you?
>
> Sam
>
> --
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com 
>

[AFMUG] Test

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Sun 917a

Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux RackInjector Polarity

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I'm not sure because of the list delays if you saw my reply to your ticket
from a few days back.

In relation to the power:

There are three power buses on this product, each can handle any voltage
from -60 to +60 or thereabouts.   The only condition is that they all have
to be able to share a common return.

Each card in the rackinjector has different rules about how they pull from
the busses.   Currently the logic power supply in the rackinjector/control
board needs at least one of the busses to be positive in respect to
return.   But the other two busses can be positive or negative or not
connected.   We're working on removing the positive ppwer requirement in a
future hardware revision.

Separate from the logic power supply is the power which is supplied to the
radios.  Each port on each card can be individually set to a given power
bus.  This isn't per card, it's per port.   Whether a given port is able to
use a given polarity depends on the card and the radio.   The powerinjector
plus sync card only supports providing positive voltages to the radios.
The other two types can support either polarity assuming the radio can also
use that polarity.

On Sat, Mar 24, 2018, 12:16 AM Matt Hopkins  wrote:

>So, we have a few of these deployed now since Halloween '17 oddly
> enough. These sites were the trial run of these for us and they passed with
> flying colors. Forrest, my one (or two) request is show uptime of the unit
> in the web interface and of course SNMP of the power draw for each port.
>
>Now to my real question that will help me plan for more deployments.
> Can I run a different polarity on different cards in the same chassis? Say
> -48v in Pwr A and +48v in Pwr B and a "Power Injection + Canopy Sync" card
> set to +48v and a "Cambium Sync for 450i/450m" card set to -48v. It seems
> implied that will be OK on the PacketFlux website but the manual states
> that all of the inputs share a common return which should not work.
>
> Quote from manual...
> 3. For each input, wire the power source wire to the Vin terminal, and the
> return wire to the Rtn terminal. A terminal block is provided for this
> purpose. For a positive voltage source (+24V, +48V) this means that the +
> wire will be on Vin, and the – wire will be on Rtn. For negative voltage
> sources (‐48VDC), the – wire should be on Vin and the + wire should be on
> Rtn.
>
> But then..
> 5. At least one of the power supplies needs to be positive, with a minimum
> of 12V. The control board will use whichever positive voltage is highest to
> power itself. It can't be powered from a negative power source.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Matt Hopkins
> Network Administrator
> mhopk...@onlinenw.net
> onlinenw.com
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Test test

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

test

On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 2:39 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> test
>
> On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 3:35 PM, Matt Hoppes
>  wrote:
> > Is this thing on? Messages seem to be being delayed by days.
>



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[AFMUG] What radios cook with more than 48V?

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Time again for me to order power supplies, and I'm wanting to bump up the
voltage a bit from 48V to something like 52V or 56V.

In the past, we stuck with 48V because we didn't want to cook any radios
which didn't want anything higher than 48V.   I'm just not sure if any of
these exist anymore, especially considering the 802.3af spec says up to 57V
is fine, and many radios are moving to 802.3af or 802.3at.

Would appreciate any input once people actually see this since the list
seems to be really slow.

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Re: [AFMUG] Require Recent Web Browser?

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I remember when lynx was an acceptable Web browser.  But again I also
remember when the Web didn't exist and it was email, ftp, telnet, and
gopher.

On Mar 18, 2018 12:35 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> As long as netscape still works I am good.
>
> *From:* Sean Heskett
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 15, 2018 11:14 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Require Recent Web Browser?
>
> Use modern technologies.  Your customer base is tech savvy enough and
> should not be using old browsers and if they are then too bad.
>
> 2 cents
>
> -sean
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 5:49 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> A bit of a survey here
>>
>> A couple of features I'm looking at for current/future products would be
>> much easier to implement using a certain feature found only in relatively
>> new web browsers, aka, Chrome/Firefox/Edge updated within the last year.
>>
>> One specific browser feature I'm looking at is webassembly.  Various
>> tools out there indicate that around 87% of the installed/active browsers
>> on the internet are recent enough for native support.   Most of the
>> browsers gained support for this feature early to mid last year.   With
>> autoupdates being the rule instead of the exception, anyone on a recent
>> auto-updating web browser should support this.  I'm mostly concerned about
>> 'the rest'.
>>
>> Support for the older browsers is possible, but it adds a level of
>> complexity (specifically a level of testing) which I would prefer not to do
>> if I could get away without it.
>>
>> To be clear:  Almost all of the functionality of the upcoming products
>> won't require these functions.  A specific example of something that might
>> require this is setting up the scripting functionality as I'm looking at
>> various technologies which would work best if I could run a chunk of
>> webassembly code in the browser as part of the code editor.  However, other
>> than editing a script, the rest of the functionality would work fine.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=3577+Countryside+Road,+Helena,+MT+59602=gmail=g>
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian>
>> <http://facebook.com/packetflux>  <http://twitter.com/@packetflux>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] -48 VDC supply needed

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

There are 2A ones (actually 2.5A) on the PacketFlux Web site if you can
stand a laptop style one.

On Mar 18, 2018 2:02 AM,  wrote:

> Looking for universal input (AC 85-240 volts)
> Isolated 48 VDC output.  1.5 amp continuous.
> I can go din rail, prefer not to.  There is always meanwell.
> Pricy...
>

Re: [AFMUG] RF Calibration Failure ADI Catalina R0 chip not supported!

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

This was a known issue back in the day.  Don't remember if it was a
hardware thing or a software thing.   I'm assuming you've got the latest
supported firmware in it?



On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 8:21 AM, Andreas Wiatowski  wrote:

> Hi All,
>
>
>
> I’ve never seen this before…but it looks like I have a broken AP…any way
> to fix without a climb??
>
>
>
> 450 AP 2.4Ghz
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
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>
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>
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Re: [AFMUG] Require Recent Web Browser?

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Yes, that would be perfect.  Actually what I want to use is a java applet
for part of the interface and webassembly for part.   I think that all
browsers stopped supporting java applets before they added webassembly.
 So you'll have to install both an ancient browser from around 2015 and a
modern browser in the last year to fully use the interface.

In relation to the more serious question about Edge, yep, as of version 16
(released in October of last year)...

On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 3:27 AM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> We have to maintain so many versions of web browsers ro access all the
> gear we touch, i dont think its a big deal. Edge has turned out to be a
> good browser so far. Is this included?
>
> Know what you should do is make it require a new browser but toss in some
> really old java stuff. Everybody loves dicking with java security.
>
> On Mar 14, 2018 6:49 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> A bit of a survey here
>>
>> A couple of features I'm looking at for current/future products would be
>> much easier to implement using a certain feature found only in relatively
>> new web browsers, aka, Chrome/Firefox/Edge updated within the last year.
>>
>> One specific browser feature I'm looking at is webassembly.  Various
>> tools out there indicate that around 87% of the installed/active browsers
>> on the internet are recent enough for native support.   Most of the
>> browsers gained support for this feature early to mid last year.   With
>> autoupdates being the rule instead of the exception, anyone on a recent
>> auto-updating web browser should support this.  I'm mostly concerned about
>> 'the rest'.
>>
>> Support for the older browsers is possible, but it adds a level of
>> complexity (specifically a level of testing) which I would prefer not to do
>> if I could get away without it.
>>
>> To be clear:  Almost all of the functionality of the upcoming products
>> won't require these functions.  A specific example of something that might
>> require this is setting up the scripting functionality as I'm looking at
>> various technologies which would work best if I could run a chunk of
>> webassembly code in the browser as part of the code editor.  However, other
>> than editing a script, the rest of the functionality would work fine.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=3577+Countryside+Road,+Helena,+MT+59602=gmail=g>
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
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>> <http://facebook.com/packetflux>  <http://twitter.com/@packetflux>
>>
>>


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[AFMUG] Require Recent Web Browser?

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

A bit of a survey here

A couple of features I'm looking at for current/future products would be
much easier to implement using a certain feature found only in relatively
new web browsers, aka, Chrome/Firefox/Edge updated within the last year.

One specific browser feature I'm looking at is webassembly.  Various tools
out there indicate that around 87% of the installed/active browsers on the
internet are recent enough for native support.   Most of the browsers
gained support for this feature early to mid last year.   With autoupdates
being the rule instead of the exception, anyone on a recent auto-updating
web browser should support this.  I'm mostly concerned about 'the rest'.

Support for the older browsers is possible, but it adds a level of
complexity (specifically a level of testing) which I would prefer not to do
if I could get away without it.

To be clear:  Almost all of the functionality of the upcoming products
won't require these functions.  A specific example of something that might
require this is setting up the scripting functionality as I'm looking at
various technologies which would work best if I could run a chunk of
webassembly code in the browser as part of the code editor.  However, other
than editing a script, the rest of the functionality would work fine.

Thoughts?

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Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Yes, it's a 4x4, and the reasoning behind their antenna is to maximize the
ability to actually get the benefits of 4x4.

On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 3:05 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> Ah so it's a 4x4? Okay, that makes sense for the mu-mimo increase then, if
> under the right conditions.
>
> On Mar 7, 2018 10:51 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> They recommend that you use the Cambium 4 port antenna. (of course)
>>
>> It will work with others but you will lose performance.
>>
>> You will get higher order modulations and some increase of throughput but
>> not the full benefit of MUMIMO
>>
>> So, yeah, you can do that.  But they pointed out the cost of climbing the
>> tower and installing the radio is going to be there, a new antenna is not
>> that much more.
>>
>> *From:* Mathew Howard
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 07, 2018 9:22 AM
>> *To:* af
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000
>>
>> Are these things going to require a 4 port antenna, or can we just slap
>> them on to the antennas we already have up?
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 10:13 AM, Gino A. Villarini 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Mu mimo AP should talk to 2 N customers at the same time
>>>
>>> From: Af  on behalf of Joe Novak <
>>> jno...@lrcomm.com>
>>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>>> Date: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 11:11 AM
>>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000
>>>
>>> Mu-mimo will not work with n based radios, but besides that they will
>>> work with the new AP is how I took it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Gino A. Villarini*
>>> President
>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>>
>>> On Mar 7, 2018 9:04 AM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Coming soon

 Roughly doubles available throughout on ap

 If I heard right won't work with elevate

 Ac based chipset

 Haven't heard frequencies or available dates yet



 Sent from my smartphone


>>
>


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Re: [AFMUG] AF Summer Session

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Depends on if you're charging to watch or not watch.

On Mar 6, 2018 8:51 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> Could I charge more if I was naked?
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 06, 2018 7:38 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF Summer Session
>
> You should do a ppv skype channel
>
> On Mar 6, 2018 8:35 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> Ok second weekend it is. Hopefully Vermeer and Ditch Witch will sponsor.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 6, 2018, at 8:24 PM, David M  wrote:
>>
>> Second Week would be fine with me. I am hoping to take an early Vacation
>> since the kid is all grown and college has them preoccupied.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/6/2018 11:55 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>> Pick a date.� I am thinking June.� First to third week.� Maybe
>> second week since it is already March and I have not got the date set.�
>> Once we have a date I will shop venues for the first day.� Second day
>> will be at my shop in Lake Point I think.�
>> �
>> *From:* Dave
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 06, 2018 10:53 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF Summer Session
>> �
>> Im not at wispAmerica, but What do you need to get it going.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> On 03/05/2018 07:24 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>> Stop by our booth at WISPAmerica and help us get the AnimalFarm Summer
>> 2018 session on the calendar.� I am thinking the first week in June.
>>
>>
>> --
>> 
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT where to eat

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Just got back from pappadeux.  Good cajun seafood.  Not cheap. 15-20min
drive.

On Mar 5, 2018 8:35 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

Pappadeux or Texas de Brasil says my younger brother who travels through
there allot.  Waffle House great for breakfast

Jaime Solorza

On Mar 5, 2018 6:19 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> In BHM Sheraton.  Where to eat?
>

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Here's what I think is a more apt comparison, using your analogy:

Let's assume that Joe's beer company wins an exclusive beer supply to a
bar.   In order to deliver the beer that the bar needs, Joe needs access to
a specific loading zone during a specific window of time.  Joe knows that
the loading zone is typically unoccupied and he only really needs access to
it for a few minutes during the window, so he's not worried.

Enter Fred of Fred's beer company.   Fred is mightily pissed about Joe
winning that contract.   So pissed that he decides to start occupying that
loading zone throughout the entire window that Joe needs it to deliver the
beer.   Because of this, Joe is unable to fulfill the terms of his contract
- specifically because of the action of Fred.

In this scenario, I suspect that Joe may have legal recourse against Fred,
even though the loading zone was public property.   But, I'm not convinced
that the use of a shared public resource (say if Fred also has to use that
same loading zone to deliver to a bar next door, and it prevents Joe from
delivering his beer).   I suspect that Part 15 use is more of the latter
and less of the former.   It's a shared resource and common use of that
resource is expected.  On the other hand, putting up a radio in test mode
and pointing it at your competitor's radio may more like Fred's malicious
tying up of the loading zone, and I suspect might subject you to a contract
interference claim.

On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 5:10 PM, James Howard  wrote:

> Am I off-base in thinking that this would be a valid comparison?  (made up
> of course)
>
>
>
> A company sets up a contract to deliver beer to a bar down the street that
> requires exclusive use of the street they are both on to be able to deliver
> the quantity of beer that’s promised.  They then send out a letter to
> everyone else on that street telling them that they are being warned that
> if they use the street it will interfere with that contract and their
> ability to fulfill it and will face legal action.
>
>
>
>
>
> Seems to me that if someone wants to claim exclusive use of something they
> need to actually own it.  In the example I gave, the company could buy all
> the property between themselves and their client and build their own road
> but they can’t claim exclusive rights to the public road.  If they want
> exclusive rights to RF they need to get licensed frequencies.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Friday, March 2, 2018 3:35 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet
>
>
>
> I'm not sure part-15 has anything to do with their claim.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
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>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Chuck McCown" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, March 2, 2018 2:03:51 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet
>
> This has been tried many times and has always failed.
>
> The law of the commons.
>
>
>
> http://wealthofthecommons.org/essay/commons-%E2%80%93-
> historical-concept-property-rights
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commons
>
>
>
> They have no rights to exclusive use.
>
> You can protect yourself pro se against a ridiculous complaint if one ever
> gets filed.
>
> Just cite part 15 chapter and verse and make reference to the law of the
> commons.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett
>
> *Sent:* Friday, March 02, 2018 11:47 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet
>
>
>
> I think the key here is that Airebeam isn't making any technical claims.
> Nothing about the FCC or Part 15. They're making a contract interference
> case.
>
> The use of part-15 *may* be irrelevant in this claim.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] [OT] outbound ACH

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I've ended up settling (for the most part) on a service called Veem for my
international wires.  Inexpensive & easy.

It sounds like the status of the ACH services are roughly like I thought
they were.   I'll do some digging on the bill pay side--I know my primary
bank doesn't have ACH recipient as an option, but maybe one of my secondary
banks do.

On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 11:19 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Oh, yeah, I forgot about that.  Zions has that too.  The other thing I am
> talking about is more for overseas wire transfers.
>
> *From:* David Sovereen
> *Sent:* Friday, March 02, 2018 10:17 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT] outbound ACH
>
> Two of our the three banks we work with have this capability built into
> their basic Online Bill Pay functionality.  For the one I am most familiar
> with, I have to choose that I am paying an individual instead of a company,
> and then there is an option presented to make an electronic payment by
> entering their routing and account number.  Works perfectly.
>
> *David Sovereen*
>
> Mercury Network Corporation
> 2719 Ashman Street, Midland, MI 48640
> 989.837.3790 <(989)%20837-3790> x151 office | 888.866.4638
> <(888)%20866-4638> toll free |  989.837.3780 <(989)%20837-3780> fax
>
> Telephone *|  *Internet*  |  *Security Alarm Monitoring
>
> david.sover...@mercury.net
> www.mercury.net
>
>
> On Mar 2, 2018, at 11:17 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
> We used to have this capability with Zions.
>
> We are getting it going again, but have not yet tested it.  We are
> supposed to go to the local branch and do the first one there to make sure
> it goes right or if it doesn’t they can help troubleshoot.
>
> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
> *Sent:* Friday, March 2, 2018 12:16 AM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] [OT] outbound ACH
>
> I on a somewhat regular basis (several times a year) need to be able to
> originate a US ACH payment to a vendor.   My bank charges way too much in
> my opinion for this functionality, and it's a pain since we have to fill
> out forms and send them to them and they enter the data manually, and on
> and on.  More and more vendors we deal with don't want to deal with
> Cash/Check and many won't accept credit card payments, and of course they
> can't originate (pull) the payment either.
>
> I've been hoping to find a bank and/or service provider which would allow
> me to just enter ACH transfer information online and have it happen for a
> reasonable fee.  I'm open to various options, including opening an account
> with a bank (assuming that is permitted based on our location in Montana),
> or using some other reasonable option.
>
> So far, the only solutions I've found are either prohibitively expensive,
> or require something we can't provide (i.e. some cash management products
> require a minimum balance commitment or a very large monthly fee).
>
> Anyone come across something which might fit the bill?
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian>  <http://facebook.com/packetflux>
>   <http://twitter.com/@packetflux>
>
>
>



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[AFMUG] [OT] outbound ACH

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I on a somewhat regular basis (several times a year) need to be able to
originate a US ACH payment to a vendor.   My bank charges way too much in
my opinion for this functionality, and it's a pain since we have to fill
out forms and send them to them and they enter the data manually, and on
and on.  More and more vendors we deal with don't want to deal with
Cash/Check and many won't accept credit card payments, and of course they
can't originate (pull) the payment either.

I've been hoping to find a bank and/or service provider which would allow
me to just enter ACH transfer information online and have it happen for a
reasonable fee.  I'm open to various options, including opening an account
with a bank (assuming that is permitted based on our location in Montana),
or using some other reasonable option.

So far, the only solutions I've found are either prohibitively expensive,
or require something we can't provide (i.e. some cash management products
require a minimum balance commitment or a very large monthly fee).

Anyone come across something which might fit the bill?

-- 
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Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Depending on the exact settings in PPPoE it may have a smaller MTU than
'normal ethernet'.

Any decent VPN should be able to handle this, however.

-forrest

On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 5:06 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Had a customer that works from home.  Could not make his VPN work.
> We thought perhaps it was a port issue.  Opened the ports on the Smart
> RG.  No good.
>
> He spend $150 over the weekend on a geek squad type of service and they
> pointed their finger at us.
>
> So, just because we haven’t tried it, we switched him to DHCP and it
> started working.
> We are in the process of converting everyone to DHCP.
>
> He wants a credit in the amount of the money he paid the geek squad.
>
> Wonder if it was truly our fault.  Still don’t know why it started working
> or what the problem was.
>



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Re: [AFMUG] OT Raspberry PI

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

My memory just reminded me that many of these FPGA's also have some really
sophisticated clock synthesis/management blocks.  Like it would not
surprise me that one of them could generate a jitter free 1.544Mhz clock
from say a 10Mhz reference clock out of a Rb oscillator.



On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 9:48 PM, Chuck Macenski <ch...@macenski.com> wrote:

> This calls out for an FPGA solution.
>
> On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 10:45 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> You can get a fpga board which might be suitable for this project (after
>> adding appropriate clocks) for around $20 anymore.   One example:
>> http://tinyfpga.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 6:42 PM, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> They aren't cheap but you could always use an fpga.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 22, 2018, 7:35 PM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> No, I saw it, but I already had the Pi so I ignored it and hoped for
>>>> the best.
>>>> I tried it first with arduino.  Just not enough speed.  And it had the
>>>> jitter problem too.
>>>>
>>>> I have a method using three TTL/CMOS chips that is going to work... I
>>>> think...
>>>>
>>>> The only thing separating the gps disciplined signal and the T1 will be
>>>> a D flip flop and a few AND/NAND gates.  So that ought to get me super low
>>>> jitter.
>>>>
>>>> Trying for stratum I with rubidium hold-over isochronous performance at
>>>> the end of the day.  For cheap.
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 22, 2018 6:27 PM
>>>> *To:* af
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Raspberry PI
>>>>
>>>> Ok, I think you missed this portion of my email last time:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *"I'm skeptical that you'll be able to generate a bitstream with enough
>>>> accuracy under Linux, without extreme programming measures.I'd suggest a
>>>> digilent chipkit wifire and the arduino ide for this.  You should be able
>>>> to bitbang at least a T1 with this processor (500mhz)"*
>>>>
>>>> Generally the raspberry pi is great for 'tiny server stuff', or 'user
>>>> interface' stuff, and the arduino and/or microcontrollers will work better
>>>> for what you're looking at, since there isn't an operating system in the
>>>> way.  All arduino really is is a c++ ide with some simplified libraries.
>>>>
>>>> The wifire product I mentioned is really a PIC32MZ dev board, optimized
>>>> for arduino.  If you've had enough of the arduino ide, you can download the
>>>> microchip ide and program it with a full development kit.
>>>>
>>>> Honestly for what you are talking about a EUSART in even a low end PIC
>>>> might be able to handle this.  If you program the EUSART into synchronous
>>>> mode you'll just have to stuff a byte into it every 8 bit times and it will
>>>> clock it out for you.  Not sure if the clock rate is adjustable enough for
>>>> you, but if you get a PIC with the NCO peripheral you might be able to
>>>> dynamically adjust the frequency enough to make it work.
>>>>
>>>> NCO app sheet:  http://ww1.microchip.com/downl
>>>> oads/en/AppNotes/90003131A.pdf
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 3:48 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Anyone know how to get my program to run on bare metal?
>>>>>
>>>>> Or at the very least tell Linux that my program is the most important
>>>>> thing in the world and service it above all other things.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am trying to create a timing signal with the Pi.  It is doing it but
>>>>> the jitter is pretty bad.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have researched trying to use an interrupt but there is a pretty low
>>>>> limit on how many times per second you can fire a hardware interrupt.
>>>>> Too low for my application.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>>>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=3577+Countryside+Road,+Helena,+MT+%0D+59602=gmail=g>
>>>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>>>> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian>
>>>> <http://facebook.com/packetflux>  <http://twitter.com/@packetflux>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=3577+Countryside+Road,+Helena,+MT+59602=gmail=g>
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian>
>> <http://facebook.com/packetflux>  <http://twitter.com/@packetflux>
>>
>>
>


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Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Raspberry PI

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

You can get a fpga board which might be suitable for this project (after
adding appropriate clocks) for around $20 anymore.   One example:
http://tinyfpga.com/



On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 6:42 PM, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> They aren't cheap but you could always use an fpga.
>
> On Thu, Feb 22, 2018, 7:35 PM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> No, I saw it, but I already had the Pi so I ignored it and hoped for the
>> best.
>> I tried it first with arduino.  Just not enough speed.  And it had the
>> jitter problem too.
>>
>> I have a method using three TTL/CMOS chips that is going to work... I
>> think...
>>
>> The only thing separating the gps disciplined signal and the T1 will be a
>> D flip flop and a few AND/NAND gates.  So that ought to get me super low
>> jitter.
>>
>> Trying for stratum I with rubidium hold-over isochronous performance at
>> the end of the day.  For cheap.
>>
>> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 22, 2018 6:27 PM
>> *To:* af
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Raspberry PI
>>
>> Ok, I think you missed this portion of my email last time:
>>
>>
>> *"I'm skeptical that you'll be able to generate a bitstream with enough
>> accuracy under Linux, without extreme programming measures.I'd suggest a
>> digilent chipkit wifire and the arduino ide for this.  You should be able
>> to bitbang at least a T1 with this processor (500mhz)"*
>>
>> Generally the raspberry pi is great for 'tiny server stuff', or 'user
>> interface' stuff, and the arduino and/or microcontrollers will work better
>> for what you're looking at, since there isn't an operating system in the
>> way.  All arduino really is is a c++ ide with some simplified libraries.
>>
>> The wifire product I mentioned is really a PIC32MZ dev board, optimized
>> for arduino.  If you've had enough of the arduino ide, you can download the
>> microchip ide and program it with a full development kit.
>>
>> Honestly for what you are talking about a EUSART in even a low end PIC
>> might be able to handle this.  If you program the EUSART into synchronous
>> mode you'll just have to stuff a byte into it every 8 bit times and it will
>> clock it out for you.  Not sure if the clock rate is adjustable enough for
>> you, but if you get a PIC with the NCO peripheral you might be able to
>> dynamically adjust the frequency enough to make it work.
>>
>> NCO app sheet:  http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/AppNotes/
>> 90003131A.pdf
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 3:48 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone know how to get my program to run on bare metal?
>>>
>>> Or at the very least tell Linux that my program is the most important
>>> thing in the world and service it above all other things.
>>>
>>> I am trying to create a timing signal with the Pi.  It is doing it but
>>> the jitter is pretty bad.
>>>
>>> I have researched trying to use an interrupt but there is a pretty low
>>> limit on how many times per second you can fire a hardware interrupt.
>>> Too low for my application.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=3577+Countryside+Road,+Helena,+MT+%0D+59602=gmail=g>
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian>
>> <http://facebook.com/packetflux>  <http://twitter.com/@packetflux>
>>
>>


-- 
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Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Raspberry PI

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

In case your existing plan doesn't work:

So what frequency are you running out of the rubidium?

I've admittedly never had to deal with a GPS-aligned T1 reference clock.
I'm assuming you both have to control the exact frequency and also the
timing of the superframe, and probably even the edge alignment?

In my mind, the trick with using an arduino (or other small micro) is to
not bit-bang it but instead to clock one of the internal USART's with an
appropriate clock.   Assuming one disciplines an oscillator to some
multiple of the T1 frequency--possibly even exactly the frequency--one
should be able to divide this down and feed it into the external clock
input on the processor, using that to clock out the bitstream which is
generated by the processor.  The only difficult trick will be to adjust the
superframe bits to match the GPS time.  However with the disciplined clock
this should become rather trivial as you should be able to fix this within
a superframe of the T1, and then clock it every 1544 bits as needed.

The clock disciplining could/should also be done with the microcontroller
controlling an OCXO.  If you're clocking late, just adjust the OCXO to run
a bit faster.  Early, run it a bit slower.



On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 6:34 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> No, I saw it, but I already had the Pi so I ignored it and hoped for the
> best.
> I tried it first with arduino.  Just not enough speed.  And it had the
> jitter problem too.
>
> I have a method using three TTL/CMOS chips that is going to work... I
> think...
>
> The only thing separating the gps disciplined signal and the T1 will be a
> D flip flop and a few AND/NAND gates.  So that ought to get me super low
> jitter.
>
> Trying for stratum I with rubidium hold-over isochronous performance at
> the end of the day.  For cheap.
>
> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 22, 2018 6:27 PM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Raspberry PI
>
> Ok, I think you missed this portion of my email last time:
>
>
> *"I'm skeptical that you'll be able to generate a bitstream with enough
> accuracy under Linux, without extreme programming measures.I'd suggest a
> digilent chipkit wifire and the arduino ide for this.  You should be able
> to bitbang at least a T1 with this processor (500mhz)"*
>
> Generally the raspberry pi is great for 'tiny server stuff', or 'user
> interface' stuff, and the arduino and/or microcontrollers will work better
> for what you're looking at, since there isn't an operating system in the
> way.  All arduino really is is a c++ ide with some simplified libraries.
>
> The wifire product I mentioned is really a PIC32MZ dev board, optimized
> for arduino.  If you've had enough of the arduino ide, you can download the
> microchip ide and program it with a full development kit.
>
> Honestly for what you are talking about a EUSART in even a low end PIC
> might be able to handle this.  If you program the EUSART into synchronous
> mode you'll just have to stuff a byte into it every 8 bit times and it will
> clock it out for you.  Not sure if the clock rate is adjustable enough for
> you, but if you get a PIC with the NCO peripheral you might be able to
> dynamically adjust the frequency enough to make it work.
>
> NCO app sheet:  http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/AppNotes/
> 90003131A.pdf
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 3:48 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> Anyone know how to get my program to run on bare metal?
>>
>> Or at the very least tell Linux that my program is the most important
>> thing in the world and service it above all other things.
>>
>> I am trying to create a timing signal with the Pi.  It is doing it but
>> the jitter is pretty bad.
>>
>> I have researched trying to use an interrupt but there is a pretty low
>> limit on how many times per second you can fire a hardware interrupt.
>> Too low for my application.
>>
>
>
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian>  <http://facebook.com/packetflux>
>   <http://twitter.com/@packetflux>
>
>


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Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Raspberry PI

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Ok, I think you missed this portion of my email last time:


*"I'm skeptical that you'll be able to generate a bitstream with enough
accuracy under Linux, without extreme programming measures.I'd suggest a
digilent chipkit wifire and the arduino ide for this.  You should be able
to bitbang at least a T1 with this processor (500mhz)"*

Generally the raspberry pi is great for 'tiny server stuff', or 'user
interface' stuff, and the arduino and/or microcontrollers will work better
for what you're looking at, since there isn't an operating system in the
way.  All arduino really is is a c++ ide with some simplified libraries.

The wifire product I mentioned is really a PIC32MZ dev board, optimized for
arduino.  If you've had enough of the arduino ide, you can download the
microchip ide and program it with a full development kit.

Honestly for what you are talking about a EUSART in even a low end PIC
might be able to handle this.  If you program the EUSART into synchronous
mode you'll just have to stuff a byte into it every 8 bit times and it will
clock it out for you.  Not sure if the clock rate is adjustable enough for
you, but if you get a PIC with the NCO peripheral you might be able to
dynamically adjust the frequency enough to make it work.

NCO app sheet:  http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/AppNotes/90003131A.pdf




On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 3:48 PM,  wrote:

> Anyone know how to get my program to run on bare metal?
>
> Or at the very least tell Linux that my program is the most important
> thing in the world and service it above all other things.
>
> I am trying to create a timing signal with the Pi.  It is doing it but the
> jitter is pretty bad.
>
> I have researched trying to use an interrupt but there is a pretty low
> limit on how many times per second you can fire a hardware interrupt.
> Too low for my application.
>



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[AFMUG] ICMPv6 Multicast Listener Report?

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Has anyone experienced a flood of ICMPv6 Multicast Listener Reports,
primarily originating from customer routers?   Some of the routers emitting
20/sec or so?

This is for someone else's network, so I don't know the details on the
architecture (or if IPv6 is enabled on the network), but the sheer quantity
of these seemed odd...

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Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
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[AFMUG] Packet/Traffic Generation Tools

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I apologize for the quantity of mostly on-topic questions I'm about to ask
in 2-3 different emails.

For this instance (of the on-topic question emails), I am looking for
recommendations for tools to generate traffic for testing purposes,
specifically the ability to generate things like certain multicast protocol
packets and arp floods and various other specific packet types.   I need to
do some stress testing of one of my products and need to be able to
generate various packets at will.  Some will be based on something I
captured, others will be strategically crafted to perhaps cause an issue.

Last time I did this there were only horrible command line tools and GUI
programs under windows neither of which were very pleasant to use.   I
believe I ended up hacking together some code to make this work, which I
could do again, but I'd really rather take a more lazy approach.

I'm hopeful I can find some intuitive tool which runs preferably under
Windows, but if not under Linux is acceptable.   I'd love to stay away from
composing this on a command line since that is unwieldy.

-- 
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[AFMUG] Rackinjector "Cambium Style" sync over power cards available in quantity.

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

We've been shipping the RackInjector cards which do the new "Cambium Style"
sync over power for a few weeks now.  This is the style of sync over power
which is required by the 450m and can be used by the 450i.

We've been selling them in stealth mode since we were hand-placing more
than a few components on each injector card.  This was a time consuming
process and we really didn't want a surge of orders until this was
rectified.  Last week the additional feeders for our Pick and Place machine
arrived and now everything is being machine-placed, which is much faster.
So I guess it's time to be a bit more vocal about the availability of these.

In other words, if you've been waiting for me to announce that these are
available on the list, your wait is over.  Like everything else, they're
available on the store, either as a option during a RackInjector purchase,
or individually to add to an existing rackinjector.

-- 
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Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium repair times?

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

It's going too be entertaining  when we figure out that Steve is Chuck's
second personality.  After all we've never met Steve... and now this
revelation about the meds.

On Feb 20, 2018 2:06 PM,  wrote:

Ya gots to ask yerself:  “self, think Chuck took his meds today”?

*From:* Colin Stanners
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 20, 2018 1:58 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium repair times?

Chuck, I seriously can't tell if you're serious or not.

On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 2:54 PM,  wrote:

> They outsourced all repair work to Trango.
>
> -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen Sent: Tuesday, February 20,
> 2018 1:42 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium repair times?
> How long does it usually take Cambium to repair something? I have an 820S
> that failed under warranty waiting at their repair facility since December
> 8th with no progress since then other than it was received. I've never had
> anything repaired by them before.
>
> ~Seth
>

Re: [AFMUG] PTP820C radios not booting up - ideas?

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

For initial installs, I typically have exactly the opposite experience.
Probably because when I actually do the system design it isn't a problem
since I use trusted power supplies which I carefully oversize.   This
creates a bit of a blind spot for me.  Because I only got involved in this
case after the radio was installed and not working (couldn't enable XPIC) I
wasn't aware that staff had used a substandard power supply *on both
ends*.  We're going to have to do a bit of training about power supply
sizing apparently.

In-the field failures?  Usually the power supply.




On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 11:04 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:

> In all fairness... I have been in various technical positions for the last
> 40+ years. The frequency of power as the source of the problem, whatever it
> may be, is more than pretty much any other cause.
>
> Always. Always. Always. Check the power.
>
>
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
>
> On 2/17/2018 9:03 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>
> Hey, thanks everyone for the suggestions about the power supply.   I'm
> really not sure why that didn't occur to me since I've been bitten by that
> in the past, and it's pretty common for me to ask customers the exact same
> question.  I'm going to blame it on insufficent sleep and working on it way
> too late.
>
> The problem did turn out to be an issue with an undersized power supply
> preventing the radio from powering on after both radios got enabled.   They
> swapped the ones they had with a stronger one in the form factor they're
> dealing with (DIN mount), and the radios powered right up.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 1:38 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> What is funny is that they swapped the crap 24V din rail 1.7A thing they
>> had for a packetflux supplied 48V power supply and it seems to be working.
>>
>> Thanks for everyone for the pointers and reminding me of what I already
>> knew.   Part of the issue here is that I haven't physically touched these
>> radios or seen the electrical config, and am relying on staff at the WISP.
>>  Someone missed the whole wattage thing, and in fairness to staff, the 820c
>> 'assured installation' manual is less than forthcoming about the power
>> supply requirements, so unless you know to go look for the radio wattage,
>> this is something easily missed.
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 1:15 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I may have just fallen off the turnip truck, but I know this company
>>> called Packetflux that makes a thing called a SiteMonitor that you could
>>> use to monitor the input voltage and current if you were so inclined.
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/17/2018 11:52 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>>>
>>> Ok, clarification, this still might be a power issue, checking on
>>> this...
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 12:25 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm awake again.   Apparently these are the stock 820c ac power
>>>> supplies.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 17, 2018 11:32 AM, "Roland Houin" <rho...@fourway.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Agree, could be inadequate power.
>>>>> when activating the second core, it takes more power..
>>>>> we have tried using sync injectors, work with 1 core, too much load
>>>>> for 2nd core.
>>>>>
>>>>> Roland
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > Sounds like a watchdog timer or a power supply overheating and
>>>>> folding.
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Bill Prince
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2018 8:41 AM
>>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP820C radios not booting up - ideas?
>>>>>
>>>>> If I'm reading this right, it worked at some point where you could
>>>>> configure it?
>>>>> This implies that something is wonky in your configuration. If you
>>>>> have it
>>>>> connected to a Mikrotik, you could scan for IPs and/or MAC addresses
>>>>> to see if
>>>>> it somehow is changing its IP or something.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is someone onsite to check, or is this all happening remotely?
>>>>>
>>>>> bp
>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}

Re: [AFMUG] PTP820C radios not booting up - ideas?

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Hey, thanks everyone for the suggestions about the power supply.   I'm
really not sure why that didn't occur to me since I've been bitten by that
in the past, and it's pretty common for me to ask customers the exact same
question.  I'm going to blame it on insufficent sleep and working on it way
too late.

The problem did turn out to be an issue with an undersized power supply
preventing the radio from powering on after both radios got enabled.   They
swapped the ones they had with a stronger one in the form factor they're
dealing with (DIN mount), and the radios powered right up.



On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 1:38 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> What is funny is that they swapped the crap 24V din rail 1.7A thing they
> had for a packetflux supplied 48V power supply and it seems to be working.
>
> Thanks for everyone for the pointers and reminding me of what I already
> knew.   Part of the issue here is that I haven't physically touched these
> radios or seen the electrical config, and am relying on staff at the WISP.
>  Someone missed the whole wattage thing, and in fairness to staff, the 820c
> 'assured installation' manual is less than forthcoming about the power
> supply requirements, so unless you know to go look for the radio wattage,
> this is something easily missed.
>
> On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 1:15 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I may have just fallen off the turnip truck, but I know this company
>> called Packetflux that makes a thing called a SiteMonitor that you could
>> use to monitor the input voltage and current if you were so inclined.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>
>>
>> On 2/17/2018 11:52 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>>
>> Ok, clarification, this still might be a power issue, checking on this...
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 12:25 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm awake again.   Apparently these are the stock 820c ac power
>>> supplies.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 17, 2018 11:32 AM, "Roland Houin" <rho...@fourway.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Agree, could be inadequate power.
>>>> when activating the second core, it takes more power..
>>>> we have tried using sync injectors, work with 1 core, too much load for
>>>> 2nd core.
>>>>
>>>> Roland
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > Sounds like a watchdog timer or a power supply overheating and
>>>> folding.
>>>>
>>>> From: Bill Prince
>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2018 8:41 AM
>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP820C radios not booting up - ideas?
>>>>
>>>> If I'm reading this right, it worked at some point where you could
>>>> configure it?
>>>> This implies that something is wonky in your configuration. If you have
>>>> it
>>>> connected to a Mikrotik, you could scan for IPs and/or MAC addresses to
>>>> see if
>>>> it somehow is changing its IP or something.
>>>>
>>>> Is someone onsite to check, or is this all happening remotely?
>>>>
>>>> bp
>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>
>>>> On 2/17/2018 3:19 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>>>>
>>>> So we have a new (i.e. put into production in the last couple of days)
>>>> pair of
>>>> 820C radios. I discovered earlier tonight that XPIC was not enabled on
>>>> the
>>>> radios, limiting throughput.
>>>>
>>>> In the process of enabling XPIC, we made some changes to the config,
>>>> rebooted
>>>> both ends, and now neither end will boot fully. We see the interfaces
>>>> come up
>>>> for about 30 seconds every 2.5 minutes, then they drop off and the cycle
>>>> repeats.
>>>>
>>>> We've tried power cycling both ends. We've tried powering off one end
>>>> in hopes
>>>> it was related to the radios talking to each other.
>>>>
>>>> We have also attempted to get in with the 'splitter cable' on the
>>>> management
>>>> port. Using the provided IP addresses, we get a few pings out of the
>>>> radio each
>>>> cycle on the 'recovery port' (like 4), but are not able to start a web
>>>> session
>>>> at all. I haven't put a packet sniffer on it to see if it responds to
>>>> the SYN
&

Re: [AFMUG] PTP820C radios not booting up - ideas?

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

What is funny is that they swapped the crap 24V din rail 1.7A thing they
had for a packetflux supplied 48V power supply and it seems to be working.

Thanks for everyone for the pointers and reminding me of what I already
knew.   Part of the issue here is that I haven't physically touched these
radios or seen the electrical config, and am relying on staff at the WISP.
 Someone missed the whole wattage thing, and in fairness to staff, the 820c
'assured installation' manual is less than forthcoming about the power
supply requirements, so unless you know to go look for the radio wattage,
this is something easily missed.

On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 1:15 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I may have just fallen off the turnip truck, but I know this company
> called Packetflux that makes a thing called a SiteMonitor that you could
> use to monitor the input voltage and current if you were so inclined.
>
>
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
>
> On 2/17/2018 11:52 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>
> Ok, clarification, this still might be a power issue, checking on this...
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 12:25 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm awake again.   Apparently these are the stock 820c ac power supplies.
>>
>>
>> On Feb 17, 2018 11:32 AM, "Roland Houin" <rho...@fourway.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Agree, could be inadequate power.
>>> when activating the second core, it takes more power..
>>> we have tried using sync injectors, work with 1 core, too much load for
>>> 2nd core.
>>>
>>> Roland
>>>
>>>
>>> > Sounds like a watchdog timer or a power supply overheating and folding.
>>>
>>> From: Bill Prince
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2018 8:41 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP820C radios not booting up - ideas?
>>>
>>> If I'm reading this right, it worked at some point where you could
>>> configure it?
>>> This implies that something is wonky in your configuration. If you have
>>> it
>>> connected to a Mikrotik, you could scan for IPs and/or MAC addresses to
>>> see if
>>> it somehow is changing its IP or something.
>>>
>>> Is someone onsite to check, or is this all happening remotely?
>>>
>>> bp
>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>
>>> On 2/17/2018 3:19 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>>>
>>> So we have a new (i.e. put into production in the last couple of days)
>>> pair of
>>> 820C radios. I discovered earlier tonight that XPIC was not enabled on
>>> the
>>> radios, limiting throughput.
>>>
>>> In the process of enabling XPIC, we made some changes to the config,
>>> rebooted
>>> both ends, and now neither end will boot fully. We see the interfaces
>>> come up
>>> for about 30 seconds every 2.5 minutes, then they drop off and the cycle
>>> repeats.
>>>
>>> We've tried power cycling both ends. We've tried powering off one end in
>>> hopes
>>> it was related to the radios talking to each other.
>>>
>>> We have also attempted to get in with the 'splitter cable' on the
>>> management
>>> port. Using the provided IP addresses, we get a few pings out of the
>>> radio each
>>> cycle on the 'recovery port' (like 4), but are not able to start a web
>>> session
>>> at all. I haven't put a packet sniffer on it to see if it responds to
>>> the SYN
>>> packet or not, but it sure doesn't seem like it even starts a connection
>>> (just
>>> times out).
>>>
>>> In the hopes that SNMP was coming up during this time and I could issue
>>> a config
>>> reset via SNMP, we also tried to do a SNMP put and a SNMP get (at
>>> different
>>> times) with the community string we configured the radios with, and it
>>> seems
>>> like SNMP is not responding either.
>>>
>>> I'm going to get some sleep now, and try again tomorrow. We've opened up
>>> a
>>> ticket with Cambium support but I'm not getting any meaningful response
>>> out of
>>> them, and because of the timing, they're unable or unwilling to escalate
>>> beyond
>>> level one.
>>>
>>> I'm hoping someone has been through this and knows the magic
>>> solution Any
>>> ideas?
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technolog

Re: [AFMUG] PTP820C radios not booting up - ideas?

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Ok, clarification, this still might be a power issue, checking on this...


On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 12:25 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> I'm awake again.   Apparently these are the stock 820c ac power supplies.
>
>
> On Feb 17, 2018 11:32 AM, "Roland Houin" <rho...@fourway.net> wrote:
>
>> Agree, could be inadequate power.
>> when activating the second core, it takes more power..
>> we have tried using sync injectors, work with 1 core, too much load for
>> 2nd core.
>>
>> Roland
>>
>>
>> > Sounds like a watchdog timer or a power supply overheating and folding.
>>
>> From: Bill Prince
>> Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2018 8:41 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP820C radios not booting up - ideas?
>>
>> If I'm reading this right, it worked at some point where you could
>> configure it?
>> This implies that something is wonky in your configuration. If you have it
>> connected to a Mikrotik, you could scan for IPs and/or MAC addresses to
>> see if
>> it somehow is changing its IP or something.
>>
>> Is someone onsite to check, or is this all happening remotely?
>>
>> bp
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>
>> On 2/17/2018 3:19 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>>
>> So we have a new (i.e. put into production in the last couple of days)
>> pair of
>> 820C radios. I discovered earlier tonight that XPIC was not enabled on the
>> radios, limiting throughput.
>>
>> In the process of enabling XPIC, we made some changes to the config,
>> rebooted
>> both ends, and now neither end will boot fully. We see the interfaces
>> come up
>> for about 30 seconds every 2.5 minutes, then they drop off and the cycle
>> repeats.
>>
>> We've tried power cycling both ends. We've tried powering off one end in
>> hopes
>> it was related to the radios talking to each other.
>>
>> We have also attempted to get in with the 'splitter cable' on the
>> management
>> port. Using the provided IP addresses, we get a few pings out of the
>> radio each
>> cycle on the 'recovery port' (like 4), but are not able to start a web
>> session
>> at all. I haven't put a packet sniffer on it to see if it responds to the
>> SYN
>> packet or not, but it sure doesn't seem like it even starts a connection
>> (just
>> times out).
>>
>> In the hopes that SNMP was coming up during this time and I could issue a
>> config
>> reset via SNMP, we also tried to do a SNMP put and a SNMP get (at
>> different
>> times) with the community string we configured the radios with, and it
>> seems
>> like SNMP is not responding either.
>>
>> I'm going to get some sleep now, and try again tomorrow. We've opened up a
>> ticket with Cambium support but I'm not getting any meaningful response
>> out of
>> them, and because of the timing, they're unable or unwilling to escalate
>> beyond
>> level one.
>>
>> I'm hoping someone has been through this and knows the magic solution
>> Any
>> ideas?
>>
>> --
>>
>> Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.
>>
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 <(406)%20449-3345> | Address: 3577 Countryside Road,
>> Helena, MT 59602
>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=3577+Countryside+Road,+Helena,+MT+59602=gmail=g>
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>>
>> <
>>
>>
>>


-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
<http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian>  <http://facebook.com/packetflux>
<http://twitter.com/@packetflux>

Re: [AFMUG] PTP820C radios not booting up - ideas?

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I'm awake again.   Apparently these are the stock 820c ac power supplies.


On Feb 17, 2018 11:32 AM, "Roland Houin" <rho...@fourway.net> wrote:

> Agree, could be inadequate power.
> when activating the second core, it takes more power..
> we have tried using sync injectors, work with 1 core, too much load for
> 2nd core.
>
> Roland
>
>
> > Sounds like a watchdog timer or a power supply overheating and folding.
>
> From: Bill Prince
> Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2018 8:41 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP820C radios not booting up - ideas?
>
> If I'm reading this right, it worked at some point where you could
> configure it?
> This implies that something is wonky in your configuration. If you have it
> connected to a Mikrotik, you could scan for IPs and/or MAC addresses to
> see if
> it somehow is changing its IP or something.
>
> Is someone onsite to check, or is this all happening remotely?
>
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
> On 2/17/2018 3:19 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>
> So we have a new (i.e. put into production in the last couple of days)
> pair of
> 820C radios. I discovered earlier tonight that XPIC was not enabled on the
> radios, limiting throughput.
>
> In the process of enabling XPIC, we made some changes to the config,
> rebooted
> both ends, and now neither end will boot fully. We see the interfaces come
> up
> for about 30 seconds every 2.5 minutes, then they drop off and the cycle
> repeats.
>
> We've tried power cycling both ends. We've tried powering off one end in
> hopes
> it was related to the radios talking to each other.
>
> We have also attempted to get in with the 'splitter cable' on the
> management
> port. Using the provided IP addresses, we get a few pings out of the radio
> each
> cycle on the 'recovery port' (like 4), but are not able to start a web
> session
> at all. I haven't put a packet sniffer on it to see if it responds to the
> SYN
> packet or not, but it sure doesn't seem like it even starts a connection
> (just
> times out).
>
> In the hopes that SNMP was coming up during this time and I could issue a
> config
> reset via SNMP, we also tried to do a SNMP put and a SNMP get (at different
> times) with the community string we configured the radios with, and it
> seems
> like SNMP is not responding either.
>
> I'm going to get some sleep now, and try again tomorrow. We've opened up a
> ticket with Cambium support but I'm not getting any meaningful response
> out of
> them, and because of the timing, they're unable or unwilling to escalate
> beyond
> level one.
>
> I'm hoping someone has been through this and knows the magic solution
> Any
> ideas?
>
> --
>
> Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.
>
> Tel: 406-449-3345 <(406)%20449-3345> | Address: 3577 Countryside Road,
> Helena, MT 59602
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=3577+Countryside+Road,+Helena,+MT+59602=gmail=g>
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>
> <
>
>
>

[AFMUG] PTP820C radios not booting up - ideas?

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

So we have a new (i.e. put into production in the last couple of days) pair
of 820C radios.I discovered earlier tonight that XPIC was not enabled
on the radios, limiting throughput.

In the process of enabling XPIC, we made some changes to the config,
rebooted both ends, and now neither end will boot fully.   We see the
interfaces come up for about 30 seconds every 2.5 minutes, then they drop
off and the cycle repeats.

We've tried power cycling both ends.  We've tried powering off one end in
hopes it was related to the radios talking to each other.

We have also attempted to get in with the 'splitter cable' on the
management port.  Using the provided IP addresses, we get a few pings out
of the radio each cycle on the 'recovery port' (like 4), but are not able
to start a web session at all.   I haven't put a packet sniffer on it to
see if it responds to the SYN packet or not, but it sure doesn't seem like
it even starts a connection (just times out).

In the hopes that SNMP was coming up during this time and I could issue
a config reset via SNMP, we also tried to do a SNMP put and a SNMP get (at
different times) with the community string we configured the radios with,
and it seems like SNMP is not responding either.

I'm going to get some sleep now, and try again tomorrow.  We've opened up a
ticket with Cambium support but I'm not getting any meaningful response out
of them, and because of the timing, they're unable or unwilling to escalate
beyond level one.

I'm hoping someone has been through this and knows the magic solution
Any ideas?

-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I've for a while thinking than an 'unconference' or 'open space conference'
or 'barcamp' would be interesting.  The WISPA conferences aren't really set
up well to handle this type of thing.

Ideally you'd end up in a space with a 'common area' and then breakout
rooms/areas.   The first 20 minutes are people standing up and suggesting
topics to discuss, and putting those topics on an agenda board claming a
space and a time.   For smaller groups, a single room works where you claim
time on the agenda.   For larger groups, you of course need more space
since there tends to be more things people want to discuss than there is
time on the agenda.   In the latter case, the person suggesting the topic
ends up leading it in the space they've claimed in the timeslot assigned.

I sure wouldn't mind showing up at a hotel room somewhere in Utah for
something like this  I also wouldn't mind taking the leadership role
during the initial 20 minutes to facilitate the topic 'selection' process
(which if done correctly isn't really as much a selection process as a
self-organizing process).



On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:25 AM, TJ Trout  wrote:

> Chuck,
>
> I like the idea of bringing it back to the roots, no real firm plan, just
> play around with some stuff?
>
> TJ
>
> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Red Iguana
>>
>> We could do it kinda like it started.
>>
>> Pick a date next winter, I will reserve a hotel conference room and
>> whoever shows up shows up.
>>
>> Not sure what Wispa would think about that...
>>
>> *From:* Cameron Crum
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 14, 2018 3:57 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>
>> I vote to move AF back to Salt Lake. It was a good excuse to get some
>> powder days in...oh, and the conference was good too.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>>> and three NANOGs, one GPF, one PTC, etc.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Jay Weekley" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:00:16 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>>
>>> I admit I had a bit of conference fatigue with Animal Farm, two WISPA
>>> shows and a FISPA conference all in the same year.
>>>
>>> Chuck McCown wrote:
>>> > It can be done.  We outsourced much of it once we got the process
>>> > down.  But WispAmerica has been pretty good to me and I think they
>>> > think that AF as its own show may cut attendance to WispAmerica.
>>> > Two shows, same season, one much cheaper than the other...
>>> > So yeah, WispAmerica has an AnimalFarm track.  Same format as before.
>>> > Manufacturers send engineers and we discuss technical stuff.  And I
>>> > don’t have to do much other than MC the event.
>>> > *From:* TJ Trout
>>> > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:27 PM
>>> > *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>> > Chuck,
>>> > How feasible would it be to bring AF back to Utah and outsource the
>>> > unpalatable parts of planning?
>>> > Obviously the cost would go up per person? Once you broke it off into
>>> > wispa I haven't attended since...
>>> > Maybe I should give it a shot, you will be having a AF group @
>>> > wispamerica in 20 days?
>>> > TJ
>>> > On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 7:13 PM, Faisal Imtiaz
>>> >  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > >>My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement effect...
>>> > Thus the need for a fuse !
>>> > :)
>>> > Faisal Imtiaz
>>> > Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> > http://www.snappytelecom.net
>>> >
>>> > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>>> 
>>> >
>>> > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518>
>>>  Option 2 or
>>> > Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>> > 
>>> 
>>> >
>>> > *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> > *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> > *Sent: *Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:31:55 PM
>>> > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>> >
>>> > My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement effect...
>>> > *From:* Adam Moffett
>>> > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hello World

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

gcc -o output hello.c

Will compile hello.c to an executable called output

You may need to add switches for libraries to include.

I'm skeptical that you'll be able to generate a bitstream with enough
accuracy under Linux, without extreme programming measures.

I'd suggest a digilent chipkit wifire and the arduino ide for this.  You
should be able to bitbang at least a T1 with this processor (500mhz)

On Feb 9, 2018 8:44 AM,  wrote:

> OK, but I need a file called “make”, right?
> And it needs stuff inside it.
>
> This is one example I found:
>
> all: output_file_name
> output_file_name: main.o
> gcc main.o -lbcm2835 -o output_file_name
> main.o: main.c
> gcc -c main.c
> clean: rm -rf *o output_file_name
>
>
> I presume this is like a batch file.
> I am guessing it is a text file with the name make.
>
> I guess the output_file_name would be replaced with my “hello” or some
> such thing.
> Perhaps the “-lbcm2835” is the source code file?  -o is probably related
> to an object file.
>
> I know this is very elementary.  I can write C with ease.  Just getting
> over this initial hump.
>
> Like, where do you put the key in this car.
>
> (there used to be a car that you turned the key on, then floored the
> accelerator.  The starter button was part of the gas pedal and would not
> engage unless it was fully depressed.  )
>
>
> From: Bill Prince
> Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 9:36 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hello World
>
>
> A make file is just a list of dependencies, and what to do if the
> dependency is met. Sort of:  "If hello.c is newer than hello, then compile
> it". It can be as simple as that, but can get a whole lot more complicated
> if there are libraries and such. However, in the simple case of your
> hello.c, I would put everything in the same directory. As the project
> grows, you would move your source (*.c) files into a "source" directory,
> and the binaries (*.bin) into a bin directory. Then linking all the
> binaries would be dependent on the dates of those file. So linking is
> dependent on the binaries, and the binaries are dependent on the sources.
>
> Make should be installed already.
>
>
> bp 
> On 2/9/2018 6:51 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> I hate make files.  I love IDEs.
>
> Bought a raspberry PI and am playing with it a bit.  So far I really like
> it.
> Started to write a program using a Geaney editor.  Nice editor.  Hit the
> make button and I discovered it is really just a shell, that you have to
> have a gcc make somewhere.
>
> So, not being a linux hack, what folder should may source and other
> project files be in?
> Should the make file be there with it?
> Can someone please be kind enough to send me two things:
>
> 1.  hello.c source
>
> void main {
> printf(“hello world”);
> }
> (I probably don’t need that as It is right there in this email.  But I do
> need to put it in the proper folder name and associate it with GCC
> presumably with the make file.
>
> 2)A make file that will allow that program to compile.
>
> Did I say I hate make files?
>
> I have downloaded example make files.  It appears I need to change some
> file names in them to match the file name of my source.  But I would like
> to make my Geany program be able to cause the make file to be correct if I
> change the name of the project.  Perhaps that is not possible.  One of my
> sons is trying to encourage me to put windows on it and use visual C++.  I
> don’t want to do that because this is a simple bit banging project.
>
> I don’t care where the object files go or what they are named.
> If I want to include a .h file it will be in my source.
>
> My handicap comes from TurboC coming on the scene when I first started
> doing a bunch of c code writing.  Before that it was asm
>
> (before that it was fortran, pascal, basic)
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] new product question

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Considering the ones I saw this way were for the back of a computer back in
the serial days, you could usually guess that it was likely to come from
the cable side

On Feb 9, 2018 8:45 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Nice if you knew the direction of the surge source...
>
> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
> *Sent:* Friday, February 9, 2018 9:40 AM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] new product question
>
> I know some surge protector manufacturers used circuits which needed to be
> oriented in a certain direction in relation to the surge source.  But those
> typically were labeled with labels like "protected equipment" and "surge
> source".   These circuits often included an element which isolated the data
> line during a surge event.
>
> On Feb 9, 2018 8:32 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> I get asked that all the time.  I always ask them which direction the
>> data is flowing on the ethernet cable
>>
>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 9, 2018 9:17 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] new product question
>>
>> .a digression, but that picture reminded me that I really hate when
>> they label ethernet ports "in" and "out".  It makes no sense at all.
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 2/9/2018 11:07:18 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new product question
>>
>>
>> Any of the single port transtector surge protectors.
>>
>> Found this on Google image search:
>> http://www.engineeringradio.us/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/
>> 10/transtector-APLU1.jpg
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 2/9/2018 11:01:39 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new product question
>>
>>
>> Could you give me a link to the product that has this feature?
>>
>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 9, 2018 8:51 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] new product question
>>
>> It holds tighter than a zip tie.  You definitely can't pull the cable out
>> of a transtector without shredding the jacket.
>> I'm not going to try and tell you it's better.  A simple/cheap way is
>> also better.  Depends on who the buyer is.
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 2/9/2018 10:48:40 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new product question
>>
>>
>> I can do the piece of metal too.  But is it that much better?
>>
>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 9, 2018 8:37 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] new product question
>>
>> Better is subjective.  Your way is simple and cheap, and that might be
>> better.
>>
>> Some rely on a properly tightened cable gland.
>> Transtector has a a half-u piece of metal secured by a screwlike a 1
>> hole conduit strap.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 2/9/2018 10:30:53 AM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] new product question
>>
>>
>> I am making a new tower mount multiple circuit surge protector.
>> This one is for multiple higher current DC power circuits/ conductors
>> only.
>>
>> Trying to come up with a good way to allow the wires to be secured.
>> Right now I have a series of rectangular slots in the PCB so a zip tie
>> can be passed down behind the board and back up.
>>
>> Any better ways?
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] new product question

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I know some surge protector manufacturers used circuits which needed to be
oriented in a certain direction in relation to the surge source.  But those
typically were labeled with labels like "protected equipment" and "surge
source".   These circuits often included an element which isolated the data
line during a surge event.

On Feb 9, 2018 8:32 AM,  wrote:

> I get asked that all the time.  I always ask them which direction the data
> is flowing on the ethernet cable
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Friday, February 9, 2018 9:17 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] new product question
>
> .a digression, but that picture reminded me that I really hate when
> they label ethernet ports "in" and "out".  It makes no sense at all.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Adam Moffett" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 2/9/2018 11:07:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new product question
>
>
> Any of the single port transtector surge protectors.
>
> Found this on Google image search:
> http://www.engineeringradio.us/blog/wp-content/uploads/
> 2014/10/transtector-APLU1.jpg
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 2/9/2018 11:01:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new product question
>
>
> Could you give me a link to the product that has this feature?
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Friday, February 9, 2018 8:51 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] new product question
>
> It holds tighter than a zip tie.  You definitely can't pull the cable out
> of a transtector without shredding the jacket.
> I'm not going to try and tell you it's better.  A simple/cheap way is also
> better.  Depends on who the buyer is.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 2/9/2018 10:48:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new product question
>
>
> I can do the piece of metal too.  But is it that much better?
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Friday, February 9, 2018 8:37 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] new product question
>
> Better is subjective.  Your way is simple and cheap, and that might be
> better.
>
> Some rely on a properly tightened cable gland.
> Transtector has a a half-u piece of metal secured by a screwlike a 1
> hole conduit strap.
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 2/9/2018 10:30:53 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] new product question
>
>
> I am making a new tower mount multiple circuit surge protector.
> This one is for multiple higher current DC power circuits/ conductors only.
>
> Trying to come up with a good way to allow the wires to be secured.
> Right now I have a series of rectangular slots in the PCB so a zip tie can
> be passed down behind the board and back up.
>
> Any better ways?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

The unique thing about the 450m is the SFP port.  The concept would be
fiber to each radio for data,  and this box would be for power+sync.   It
would include the GPS antenna in the box, etc.   Essentially you'd provide
bulk power to this box, run a short CAT5 jumper to each radio for
power/management, and a strand of fiber down the tower for management of it
all.   That would get you management into each of the 450m's and power and
sync.

For data, you'd put a SFP in each of the 450m's and run that down the tower
via fiber.

At the bottom, you'd just have a fiber switch and a bulk power source.

This box would do double duty with small clusters of 450i.

On Feb 2, 2018 10:40 AM, "George Skorup" <george.sko...@cbcast.com> wrote:

> Could be fine for a tower-top DC+fiber fed injector(+sync)-switch. Same
> concept as the UBNT edge thing. Consider that something like this would
> need a 10G uplink if you're going to be powering and timing a 450m cluster.
> You're probably going to want at least 500Mbps to each sector. So only a 1G
> pipe up the tower isn't thinking towards the future. Something I think a
> product like this would need is an integrated voltage regulator. And wasn't
> something similar kicked around in the past? Instead of a switch, make it a
> multi port injector+sync with media conversion. A strand or pair per radio.
> Or even CWDM mux.
>
> On 2/2/2018 6:44 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> and some of us hate switches in their network altogether.  :-)
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *"TJ Trout" <t...@voltbb.com> <t...@voltbb.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, February 2, 2018 1:52:34 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power
>
> Forrest,
>
> It would be awesome if you could ever develop products with switches
> inside, I know you have a (Cisco?) preference but other's dont.
>
> I would have purchased lots. I hate that I have to use a separate switch
> so we moved away from packetflux for new deployments.
>
> TJ
>
> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 11:48 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm assuming you mean includes switch+poe.
>>
>> I'm in the process of working on something specificaly for the 450i/450m
>> with 5 ports and sync hardware all in one box (+1 SFP port), mainly
>> designed for tower top mounting.   Not far enough along to say when it will
>> ship, or even if it's ever going to see the light of day.
>>
>> Any other solution you look at, you should make sure that whatever
>> solution you find will support at least 70W per port, and all 4 pairs.
>> Neither the 450i or 450m really care about polarity, unless you're doing
>> sync, and then only on the 450i since the 450m does the new cambium sync
>> only.
>>
>> If you can live with separate poe box, of course the packetflux
>> powerinjector+sync powers 450m's really well.  There will be a version
>> which does medusa sync out sometime soon, it's a sure thing, just we don't
>> know timing yet.
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:07 AM, Tyson Burris <t...@franklinisp.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Good morning,
>>>
>>> Looking for an all in one, but reliable, power source for 4 - 450m aps
>>> per tower.
>>>
>>> I have heard netonix a few times but I have also heard about some issues
>>> with these devices and their support not being that great.
>>>
>>> *Tyson Burris, President*
>>>   *Internet Communications Inc.*
>>>   *739 Commerce Dr.*
>>> *
>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=739+Commerce+Dr.*%C2%A0+%0D+**Franklin,+IN+46131*=gmail=g>
>>> **Franklin, IN 46131*
>>> *
>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=739%0D+Commerce+Dr.*%C2%A0+%3Chttps://maps.google.com/?q%3D739%2BCommerce%2BDr.*%25C2%25A0%2B%250D%2B**Franklin,%2BIN%2B46131*%26entry%3Dgmail%26source%3Dg%3E+%0D+**Franklin,%0D+IN+46131*=gmail=g>
>>> *
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

This is fixed in the rackinjector,  and will continue through the product
line as we refresh it over the next year or so.   The limitation today has
to do with this data being stored in the expansion units themselves and
there is a total of 1024 bytes of eeprom for all descriptions and power on
values which doesn't go that far.

On Feb 2, 2018 5:22 AM, "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

Can I vote for longer names or descriptions on things?
The character limit drives me nuts.

E.G.: I want to label a relay as "Relay1: Triggers external power relay for
West Base Station".  Right now it's more like, "Rel1 W BS".


-- Original Message --
From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <li...@packetflux.com>
To: "af" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 2/2/2018 6:54:53 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power

I have a preference for a switch that works.

My challenge has always been to find a chipset I trust which is fairly easy
to integrate, is obtainable, and is available in industrial temperature
range.   Over the years I've looked at numerous chipsets and have never
found any that I would feel comfortable to provide to my customers.

The industrial temperature range issue was probably the biggest one since
the vast majority of chipsets are only available in commercial range and I
refuse to ship a product which contains chipset only rated down to freezing
(there's a reason why we've never had any temperature related failures that
we can recall).   Of the remaining chipsets, many of the manufacturers only
sell to large-volume consumers.  They have no interest in doing business
with an organization which doesn't do a million units of a product.

Well the never part was true until recently.   A trusted vendor of mine
recently released a switch chipset with 5 Gigabit copper ports, 1 GBIC
port, and 1 management port, and which seems to be able to be integrated
well.   I need to spend some time with the eval board which is sitting
here, but other things have taken priority.

Over the last couple of months, we've pretty much finished all of the
pending projects, and so I'm working on figuring out which of the partially
started projects around here I need to pick up and run with.   There are
some which are minimal work which will likely get done soon (i.e. producing
medusa-compatible cambium sync products in various other form factors, and
finishing a couple of i/o board which are basically done).

Of the rest, part of what I'm going to be listening to at WISPAMERICA is
what people are needing.  I really don't want to build things people don't
want, so I'm going to be listening as to what people are looking for.
 I've got lots of ideas, just not sure how many of them are really of
interest.



On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 12:52 AM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:

> Forrest,
>
> It would be awesome if you could ever develop products with switches
> inside, I know you have a (Cisco?) preference but other's dont.
>
> I would have purchased lots. I hate that I have to use a separate switch
> so we moved away from packetflux for new deployments.
>
> TJ
>
> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 11:48 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm assuming you mean includes switch+poe.
>>
>> I'm in the process of working on something specificaly for the 450i/450m
>> with 5 ports and sync hardware all in one box (+1 SFP port), mainly
>> designed for tower top mounting.   Not far enough along to say when it will
>> ship, or even if it's ever going to see the light of day.
>>
>> Any other solution you look at, you should make sure that whatever
>> solution you find will support at least 70W per port, and all 4 pairs.
>> Neither the 450i or 450m really care about polarity, unless you're doing
>> sync, and then only on the 450i since the 450m does the new cambium sync
>> only.
>>
>> If you can live with separate poe box, of course the packetflux
>> powerinjector+sync powers 450m's really well.  There will be a version
>> which does medusa sync out sometime soon, it's a sure thing, just we don't
>> know timing yet.
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:07 AM, Tyson Burris <t...@franklinisp.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Good morning,
>>>
>>> Looking for an all in one, but reliable, power source for 4 - 450m aps
>>> per tower.
>>>
>>> I have heard netonix a few times but I have also heard about some issues
>>> with these devices and their support not being that great.
>>>
>>> *Tyson Burris, President*
>>>   *Internet Communications Inc.*
>>>   *739 Commerce Dr.*
>>> *
>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=739+Commerce+Dr.*%C2%A0+%0D+**Franklin,+IN+46131*=gmail=g>
&

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Replacement for the CMM5 I definitely do have


On Feb 2, 2018 6:57 AM, "Tyson Burris" <t...@franklinisp.net> wrote:

> Yes, it would be nice Forrest but I know you don’t have anything.
>
> I have reserved myself to a CMM5 at this point but not happy about it.
>
>
>
> *Tyson Burris, President*
> *Internet Communications Inc.*
> *739 Commerce Dr.
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=739+Commerce+Dr.*%0D+%0D+**Franklin,+IN+46131*=gmail=g>*
> *Franklin, IN 46131
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=739+Commerce+Dr.*%0D+%0D+**Franklin,+IN+46131*=gmail=g>*
>
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>
>
>
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>
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>
>
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> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Forrest Christian
> (List Account)
> *Sent:* Friday, February 2, 2018 6:55 AM
> *To:* af <af@afmug.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power
>
>
>
> I have a preference for a switch that works.
>
>
>
> My challenge has always been to find a chipset I trust which is fairly
> easy to integrate, is obtainable, and is available in industrial
> temperature range.   Over the years I've looked at numerous chipsets and
> have never found any that I would feel comfortable to provide to my
> customers.
>
>
>
> The industrial temperature range issue was probably the biggest one since
> the vast majority of chipsets are only available in commercial range and I
> refuse to ship a product which contains chipset only rated down to freezing
> (there's a reason why we've never had any temperature related failures that
> we can recall).   Of the remaining chipsets, many of the manufacturers only
> sell to large-volume consumers.  They have no interest in doing business
> with an organization which doesn't do a million units of a product.
>
>
>
> Well the never part was true until recently.   A trusted vendor of mine
> recently released a switch chipset with 5 Gigabit copper ports, 1 GBIC
> port, and 1 management port, and which seems to be able to be integrated
> well.   I need to spend some time with the eval board which is sitting
> here, but other things have taken priority.
>
>
>
> Over the last couple of months, we've pretty much finished all of the
> pending projects, and so I'm working on figuring out which of the partially
> started projects around here I need to pick up and run with.   There are
> some which are minimal work which will likely get done soon (i.e. producing
> medusa-compatible cambium sync products in various other form factors, and
> finishing a couple of i/o board which are basically done).
>
>
>
> Of the rest, part of what I'm going to be listening to at WISPAMERICA is
> what people are needing.  I really don't want to build things people don't
> want, so I'm going to be listening as to what people are looking for.
>  I've got lots of ideas, just not sure how many of them are really of
> interest.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 12:52 AM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:
>
> Forrest,
>
>
>
> It would be awesome if you could ever develop products with switches
> inside, I know you have a (Cisco?) preference but other's dont.
>
>
>
> I would have purchased lots. I hate that I have to use a separate switch
> so we moved away from packetflux for new deployments.
>
>
>
> TJ
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 11:48 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
> I'm assuming you mean includes switch+poe.
>
>
>
> I'm in the process of working on something specificaly for the 450i/450m
> with 5 ports and sync hardware all in one box (+1 SFP port), mainly
> designed for tower top mounting.   Not far enough along to say when it will
> ship, or even if it's ever going to see the light of day.
>
> Any other solution you look at, you should make sure that whatever
> solution you find will support at least 70W per port, and all 4 pairs.
> Neither the 450i or 450m really care about polarity, unless you're doing
> sync, and then only on the 450i since the 450m does the new cam

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Umm
http://store.packetflux.com/sitemonitor-5-channel-power-distribution-unit/
???   144W per channel @ 100W

It is limited to 8A (384W@48V) total across all outputs.  This limit is
related to the maximum each pin can handle, and since this is arranged with
a single input and multiple outputs you're limited to 8A.  But if you need
100W just think of it as a 3 port PDU with a couple spare low-current
channels.

I mentioned in another thread that we have plans to make a version of this
to try to help where you're switching a lot of heavy loads.  That version
will likely look like six solid state, programmable current limited
relays.  More wiring, but more power since you can do 8A per connector pin
(so it might be as high as 8A per channel, but we need to do thermal
engineering before I can guarantee that).   Oh, and removal of the negative
ground/positive power requirement is part of this.



On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 5:24 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I know it's not WISPAMERICA, but I might not have time to go.
>
> This need might be less common in the wisposphere, but it would be useful
> to me to have a relay or pdu module that could switch 100W 48VDC loads.
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <li...@packetflux.com>
> To: "af" <af@afmug.com>
> Sent: 2/2/2018 6:54:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power
>
> I have a preference for a switch that works.
>
> My challenge has always been to find a chipset I trust which is fairly
> easy to integrate, is obtainable, and is available in industrial
> temperature range.   Over the years I've looked at numerous chipsets and
> have never found any that I would feel comfortable to provide to my
> customers.
>
> The industrial temperature range issue was probably the biggest one since
> the vast majority of chipsets are only available in commercial range and I
> refuse to ship a product which contains chipset only rated down to freezing
> (there's a reason why we've never had any temperature related failures that
> we can recall).   Of the remaining chipsets, many of the manufacturers only
> sell to large-volume consumers.  They have no interest in doing business
> with an organization which doesn't do a million units of a product.
>
> Well the never part was true until recently.   A trusted vendor of mine
> recently released a switch chipset with 5 Gigabit copper ports, 1 GBIC
> port, and 1 management port, and which seems to be able to be integrated
> well.   I need to spend some time with the eval board which is sitting
> here, but other things have taken priority.
>
> Over the last couple of months, we've pretty much finished all of the
> pending projects, and so I'm working on figuring out which of the partially
> started projects around here I need to pick up and run with.   There are
> some which are minimal work which will likely get done soon (i.e. producing
> medusa-compatible cambium sync products in various other form factors, and
> finishing a couple of i/o board which are basically done).
>
> Of the rest, part of what I'm going to be listening to at WISPAMERICA is
> what people are needing.  I really don't want to build things people don't
> want, so I'm going to be listening as to what people are looking for.
>  I've got lots of ideas, just not sure how many of them are really of
> interest.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 12:52 AM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:
>
>> Forrest,
>>
>> It would be awesome if you could ever develop products with switches
>> inside, I know you have a (Cisco?) preference but other's dont.
>>
>> I would have purchased lots. I hate that I have to use a separate switch
>> so we moved away from packetflux for new deployments.
>>
>> TJ
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 11:48 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm assuming you mean includes switch+poe.
>>>
>>> I'm in the process of working on something specificaly for the 450i/450m
>>> with 5 ports and sync hardware all in one box (+1 SFP port), mainly
>>> designed for tower top mounting.   Not far enough along to say when it will
>>> ship, or even if it's ever going to see the light of day.
>>>
>>> Any other solution you look at, you should make sure that whatever
>>> solution you find will support at least 70W per port, and all 4 pairs.
>>> Neither the 450i or 450m really care about polarity, unless you're doing
>>> sync, and then only on the 450i since the 450m does the new cambium sync
>>> only.
>>>
>>> If you can live with separate poe box, of course the packetf

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I have a preference for a switch that works.

My challenge has always been to find a chipset I trust which is fairly easy
to integrate, is obtainable, and is available in industrial temperature
range.   Over the years I've looked at numerous chipsets and have never
found any that I would feel comfortable to provide to my customers.

The industrial temperature range issue was probably the biggest one since
the vast majority of chipsets are only available in commercial range and I
refuse to ship a product which contains chipset only rated down to freezing
(there's a reason why we've never had any temperature related failures that
we can recall).   Of the remaining chipsets, many of the manufacturers only
sell to large-volume consumers.  They have no interest in doing business
with an organization which doesn't do a million units of a product.

Well the never part was true until recently.   A trusted vendor of mine
recently released a switch chipset with 5 Gigabit copper ports, 1 GBIC
port, and 1 management port, and which seems to be able to be integrated
well.   I need to spend some time with the eval board which is sitting
here, but other things have taken priority.

Over the last couple of months, we've pretty much finished all of the
pending projects, and so I'm working on figuring out which of the partially
started projects around here I need to pick up and run with.   There are
some which are minimal work which will likely get done soon (i.e. producing
medusa-compatible cambium sync products in various other form factors, and
finishing a couple of i/o board which are basically done).

Of the rest, part of what I'm going to be listening to at WISPAMERICA is
what people are needing.  I really don't want to build things people don't
want, so I'm going to be listening as to what people are looking for.
 I've got lots of ideas, just not sure how many of them are really of
interest.



On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 12:52 AM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:

> Forrest,
>
> It would be awesome if you could ever develop products with switches
> inside, I know you have a (Cisco?) preference but other's dont.
>
> I would have purchased lots. I hate that I have to use a separate switch
> so we moved away from packetflux for new deployments.
>
> TJ
>
> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 11:48 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm assuming you mean includes switch+poe.
>>
>> I'm in the process of working on something specificaly for the 450i/450m
>> with 5 ports and sync hardware all in one box (+1 SFP port), mainly
>> designed for tower top mounting.   Not far enough along to say when it will
>> ship, or even if it's ever going to see the light of day.
>>
>> Any other solution you look at, you should make sure that whatever
>> solution you find will support at least 70W per port, and all 4 pairs.
>> Neither the 450i or 450m really care about polarity, unless you're doing
>> sync, and then only on the 450i since the 450m does the new cambium sync
>> only.
>>
>> If you can live with separate poe box, of course the packetflux
>> powerinjector+sync powers 450m's really well.  There will be a version
>> which does medusa sync out sometime soon, it's a sure thing, just we don't
>> know timing yet.
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:07 AM, Tyson Burris <t...@franklinisp.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Good morning,
>>>
>>> Looking for an all in one, but reliable, power source for 4 - 450m aps
>>> per tower.
>>>
>>> I have heard netonix a few times but I have also heard about some issues
>>> with these devices and their support not being that great.
>>>
>>> *Tyson Burris, President*
>>>   *Internet Communications Inc.*
>>>   *739 Commerce Dr.*
>>> *
>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=739+Commerce+Dr.*%C2%A0+%0D+**Franklin,+IN+46131*=gmail=g>
>>> **Franklin, IN 46131*
>>> *
>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=739+Commerce+Dr.*%C2%A0+%3Chttps://maps.google.com/?q%3D739%2BCommerce%2BDr.*%25C2%25A0%2B%250D%2B**Franklin,%2BIN%2B46131*%26entry%3Dgmail%26source%3Dg%3E+%0D+**Franklin,+IN+46131*=gmail=g>
>>> *
>>> *317-738-0320 <317-738-0320> Daytime #*
>>> *317-412-1540 <317-412-1540> Cell/Direct #*
>>> *Online: **www.surfici.net* <http://www.surfici.net>
>>>
>>>
>>> VIA WIRELESS
>>>
>>> ___
>>> Members mailing list
>>> memb...@wispa.org
>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>> 

Re: [AFMUG] USB over IP

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Oh, and what generator is this?   Sounds like one I might want to add to my
USB device support for the sitemonitor module if that ever ends up
released

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 8:22 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:

> I have a generator control board that is interfaced via USB, it sits about
> 50' away from the building.  The generator has been acting up on me,
> failing it's exercise cycle about every 4 attempts, and there is not an LCD
> troubleshooting display to see what went wrong. Plugging in via USB give
> you complete control and monitoring through software (windows only), but it
> requires pulling the control board out to access the USB port.  I'd like to
> be able to get access to the control system remotely by installing a
> permanent USB hookup, but without having to sit in the snow and wind with a
> laptop.
>
> I have found some USB to IP adapters, that range in price from $50-$300,
> but they mostly talk about using them as Printer sharing devices.  Will any
> USB device work with them?  I'm guessing that some software is required on
> the PC to get the USB to IP Bridge working, so the quality of the device is
> probably dependent on that software.  It looks like these devices may be
> mainly used in VM environments to attach USB Devices to VMs without going
> through the physical host.Has anyone had experience with these devices?
>
> Nate
>



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Re: [AFMUG] USB over IP

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

There are also quite a few USB to CAT5 'extenders' which will allow you to
use CAT5 to extend the USB cable up to a few hundred feet

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 8:22 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:

> I have a generator control board that is interfaced via USB, it sits about
> 50' away from the building.  The generator has been acting up on me,
> failing it's exercise cycle about every 4 attempts, and there is not an LCD
> troubleshooting display to see what went wrong. Plugging in via USB give
> you complete control and monitoring through software (windows only), but it
> requires pulling the control board out to access the USB port.  I'd like to
> be able to get access to the control system remotely by installing a
> permanent USB hookup, but without having to sit in the snow and wind with a
> laptop.
>
> I have found some USB to IP adapters, that range in price from $50-$300,
> but they mostly talk about using them as Printer sharing devices.  Will any
> USB device work with them?  I'm guessing that some software is required on
> the PC to get the USB to IP Bridge working, so the quality of the device is
> probably dependent on that software.  It looks like these devices may be
> mainly used in VM environments to attach USB Devices to VMs without going
> through the physical host.Has anyone had experience with these devices?
>
> Nate
>



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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I'm assuming you mean includes switch+poe.

I'm in the process of working on something specificaly for the 450i/450m
with 5 ports and sync hardware all in one box (+1 SFP port), mainly
designed for tower top mounting.   Not far enough along to say when it will
ship, or even if it's ever going to see the light of day.

Any other solution you look at, you should make sure that whatever solution
you find will support at least 70W per port, and all 4 pairs.  Neither the
450i or 450m really care about polarity, unless you're doing sync, and then
only on the 450i since the 450m does the new cambium sync only.

If you can live with separate poe box, of course the packetflux
powerinjector+sync powers 450m's really well.  There will be a version
which does medusa sync out sometime soon, it's a sure thing, just we don't
know timing yet.

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:07 AM, Tyson Burris  wrote:

> Good morning,
>
> Looking for an all in one, but reliable, power source for 4 - 450m aps per
> tower.
>
> I have heard netonix a few times but I have also heard about some issues
> with these devices and their support not being that great.
>
> *Tyson Burris, President*
>   *Internet Communications Inc.*
>   *739 Commerce Dr.*
>   *Franklin, IN 46131*
>
> *317-738-0320 <317-738-0320> Daytime #*
> *317-412-1540 <317-412-1540> Cell/Direct #*
> *Online: **www.surfici.net* 
>
>
> VIA WIRELESS
>
> ___
> Members mailing list
> memb...@wispa.org
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members
>
>


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Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I'm in the process of fixing this.

The medusa cards, and the new polarity agnostic cards for the rackinjector
don't care.   This technology will make it back into the PDU's.

With the wiring arrangement we have today, the total 8A limit will likely
remain when arranged with a single input going to 5 outputs (the connectors
are only rated up to 8A).   We will likely release a couple of other
arrangements as well, likely including a 6 port 'current limited switch'
version which should do several amps per switch, with each switch isolated
from the others so we won't care what voltage each switches.

I'm also thinking that it might make sense to do a single pole switching
unit where you have 2 inputs each going to 5 outputs each, but with ground
not passing through the unit.   Each input would still be limited to 8A.

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 2:10 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Careful.  Packetflux PDU can't do positive ground.  So no -48.  Found that
> out the hard way.
> If neither the load or the power supply has a ground on the positive wire
> then you're good to go.
>
> When I connected 3 Telrad Compacts (positive ground) nothing exploded, but
> you couldn't actually switch any of them off.  If I turned off one port,
> the load moved to one of the other ports.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Josh Baird" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 1/31/2018 3:03:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion
>
> PacketFlux (PDU) would be able to power cycle DC powered radios.  This is
> likely what we'll be doing for Baicells eNB's.
>
> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 2:58 PM, SmarterBroadband  wrote:
>
>> I have been looking at ICT.   The ICT600-48SBC Power Supply and the
>> ICT200DF-12IRC distribution panel.   This with a Netonix would do
>> everything.  We have sites with Telrad so the distribution panel will allow
>> them to be power cycled when necessary.
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyone using ICT?  Bit pricy though, looking at $1,600 plus…
>>
>>
>>
>> Need a solution where we can power cycle DC powered radios.
>>
>>
>>
>> Adam
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *
>> can...@believewireless.net
>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 27, 2018 3:51 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion
>>
>>
>>
>> It's a little spendy but about how about 1 $670 option? Alpha Cordex PSU
>> 24V 400W.
>>
>> Remote monitoring, e-mailed alerts, swappable rectifier, DIN mount, etc.
>>
>> Add a Netonix switch and you can power just about anything.​
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 8:49 PM, Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Any of you folks who know both dc plant and even more know small wisp
>> budget interested in looking at our gear and power setup and giving
>> realistic advice that doesnt have a 10 different 500 dollar components
>> combined with a full time linux guy and a full time coder?
>>
>>
>>
>> Id love you to do it out of the kindness of your heart, but i do have
>> some advisory busget.
>>
>>
>>
>> Im just tired of the apc ups waste and super ghetto runtimes on batteries
>> coupled with having to accept we are destroying runtimes by letting the
>> apcs die. please, somebody, please. Otherwise i have to go to the
>> facebook groups, and thats like going to a mikrotik or ubnt forum.
>>
>>
>>
>
>


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Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I'm looking at a revised PSU-like device which should be able to handle
this.

What is the maximim per-site load you're looking at?

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 2:05 PM, SmarterBroadband  wrote:

> Hmmm  not enough power, the Telrad BTS draw up to 100 watts, some of our
> sites have 6 units.
>
> I suppose we could have two PDU with 3 on each….
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 31, 2018 12:23 PM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion
>
>
>
> Yep, the PacketFlux PDU is perfect for that. We have a couple of Baicells
> eNBs running off them.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 2:03 PM, Josh Baird  wrote:
>
> PacketFlux (PDU) would be able to power cycle DC powered radios.  This is
> likely what we'll be doing for Baicells eNB's.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 2:58 PM, SmarterBroadband  wrote:
>
> I have been looking at ICT.   The ICT600-48SBC Power Supply and the
> ICT200DF-12IRC distribution panel.   This with a Netonix would do
> everything.  We have sites with Telrad so the distribution panel will allow
> them to be power cycled when necessary.
>
>
>
> Anyone using ICT?  Bit pricy though, looking at $1,600 plus…
>
>
>
> Need a solution where we can power cycle DC powered radios.
>
>
>
> Adam
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *
> can...@believewireless.net
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 27, 2018 3:51 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion
>
>
>
> It's a little spendy but about how about 1 $670 option? Alpha Cordex PSU
> 24V 400W.
>
> Remote monitoring, e-mailed alerts, swappable rectifier, DIN mount, etc.
>
> Add a Netonix switch and you can power just about anything.​
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 8:49 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> Any of you folks who know both dc plant and even more know small wisp
> budget interested in looking at our gear and power setup and giving
> realistic advice that doesnt have a 10 different 500 dollar components
> combined with a full time linux guy and a full time coder?
>
>
>
> Id love you to do it out of the kindness of your heart, but i do have some
> advisory busget.
>
>
>
> Im just tired of the apc ups waste and super ghetto runtimes on batteries
> coupled with having to accept we are destroying runtimes by letting the
> apcs die. please, somebody, please. Otherwise i have to go to the
> facebook groups, and thats like going to a mikrotik or ubnt forum.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



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Re: [AFMUG] Watts and VA on DC vs AC

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

One thing to mention is that 50A is a very high discharge rate to test a
single battery capacity.   Many batteries are rated at the 10hr rate, which
means for a typical 100Ah battery, you should do a discharge at 10A, not
50A.  Others are rated at 20hr, which would only be 5A.

If you want to do this scientifically, I highly reccomand the CBA IV, at
http://www.westmountainradio.com/cba.php .  At 12V it should handle at
least a 10A discharge rate.  It will do the entire discharge cycle for you
and give you a nice chart.

The procedure to do this is to charge the battery fully (including rest
cycles to make sure the charge has fully equalized through the chemistry,
especially if the battery is quite discharged), and then discharge at the
rated rate to the voltage listed in the datasheet for the battery.   For
instance, picking just a random battery datasheet off the web,
http://www.solageo.com/ProductResourceFiles/GGRYHXBJGKRX.pdf , shows
Capacity at "100Ah @10hr-rate to 1.80V per cel @25C".   Deviating from
those specs will result in a different Amp hour rating.  Generally the
higher the discharge rate, the lower the capacity.   Also the lower the
temperature the lower the capacity.   On that same datasheet, you'll note a
'discharge characteristic curve'.  If for instance, you were discharging at
the 1C rate (which means 1x the capacity of the battery in AH, or 100A),
you'd only get around 40 minutes of runtime to a terminal voltage of around
9.6V, which is only 60Ah (1A * 0.6 hours).

There's also a capacity factor chart for temperature, note that at 20C
(Room temperature), you only get 98% of the rated capacity, which is close
enough to generally not matter.

Back on the CBA IV, I've occasionally needed to test batteries which are
rated at a higher discharge rate than the CBA IV would handle without the
expensive add-on 'amplifier'.  In these cases, I've opted to discharge at a
slower rate and adjust accordingly.  Many datasheets will actually give
terminal voltages and expected total capacity at different discharge rates,
and I've been lucky in that every time I've had to do this the datasheet
has the expected values, or at least a chart I could extrapolate from.

One other random note:  The 'discharge rate' game is played by certain
manufacturers to make cells seem better than they are.  For all practical
purposes a 100Ah 10hr battery is probably very similar capacity to a 110Ah
20Hr battery, since at 10Hr discharge rate, the 110Ah battery will likely
have a capacity of 100Ah.

On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 8:49 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I wanted to rig up a load test for some batteries.
> I don't have a substantial 12V DC load, so I set up a 1000W inverter, a
> short extension cord, a Kill-a-Watt meter, and a heat gun.
>
> With the heat gun on low, The kill-a-watt reads 110v, 606 VA
> , and 355W.
>
> The question is how much load is this putting on the battery?  Somewhere
> between 30 and 60amp I guess, and either way my multimeter can't measure
> more than 10A DC current, so I can't measure it directly.
>
> My Googling on the topic has failed to enlighten me.  My instinct is to
> think that Watts is Watts, so I should probably use 355W in my calculation
> of battery capacity, but I'm not sure.
>
>
>


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Re: [AFMUG] SyncInjector Gigabit for CAP320 jumper settings?

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

FYI, You can also order part # N45L001A from cambium.   See
https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-FAQ/Cable-Diagram-for-CMM4-to-450i/td-p/51655

On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 12:10 PM, Ty Featherling <tyfeatherl...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thanks Forrest. I'll make some adapters.
>
>
>
> On Jan 25, 2018 1:04 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> The gigabit won't work with the 320 without a special cable.   The
>> pinning is not gigabit compatible.  See below.
>>
>> In re jumper settings in general,  Debbie has a hand-drawn .pdf which
>> she'll send you with the jumpers for the PowerInjector+Sync, assuming it
>> was your ticket in the ticketing system I noted earlier, if not send a
>> email into cust...@packetflux.com.   It's the same drawing that josh
>> linked to, with the pinning reversed left to right.
>>
>> Generally for the 320, set it the same as the traditional cambium pinouts
>> (should come from the factory that way) (4,5-, 7,8+), and then wire as
>> follows:
>>
>> Pins 1,2,3,4,6,8 straight through.
>> Swap pins 5 and 7.  I.E. pin 5 on one end of the cable goes to pin 7 on
>> the other end of the cable.
>>
>> Or put differently:  on a standard 568B cable, on one end only, swap the
>> blue/white and brown/white wires.
>>
>> Personally, I like to make a little dongle with a single port keystone
>> wall jack on a short piece of CAT5 with the swap above to make it obvious
>> that an 'adapter' is place.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 11:02 AM, Ty Featherling <tyfeatherl...@gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Can anyone tell me the proper jumper settings to power cap320 aps from
>>> the latest SyncInjector Gigabit? I'm replacing an old model that was
>>> designated for Canopy430 and I don't want to blow up my radios or my SI.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Ty
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>


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