Re: [AFMUG] CnMaestro keeps dropping AP's

[Steve Jones]

Are they natted? How many devices are behind that nat if so

On Mon, Jun 11, 2018, 12:32 PM Sam Lambie  wrote:

> Yep,
> the only way to get them back online in cnM is to reboot the AP. Bummer.
> It shows that it is connected on the UI. Must be a bug.
>
> On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 10:53 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> have you tried clicking on the 3 dots next to the AP in the monitor list
>> and then select refresh?  (hopefully the image comes thru the list)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 10:08 AM, Sam Lambie 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Even thought they are still up and running fine, it shows 2 of the AP's
>>> ad down but the SM's are still connected.
>>> Any suggestions on how to get the AP's to show up without rebooting? I
>>> host cnmaestro locally.
>>> --
>>> --
>>> *Sam Lambie*
>>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>>> 575-758-7598 Office
>>> www.Taosnet.com 
>>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com 
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik / Mimosa Ethernet Errors

[Steve Jones]

i hate that chuck is open about product flaws and offers troubleshooting
ideas, he pawns all the guild off on us for never having the time

On Sat, Jun 9, 2018 at 6:55 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Surge suppressors can certainly cause this.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jun 9, 2018, at 2:58 PM, George Skorup 
> wrote:
> >
> > What suppressors?
> >
> >> On 6/9/2018 3:23 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
> >> I have a A5C that is giving me grief.  I'm getting hundreds of Rx FCS
> errors on the Mikrotik when I'm running gigabit, if I force it to 100 fdx,
> the Rx FCS errors stop, but Rx Code errors start incrementing instead.
> I've always gotten some amount of Rx FCS errors from Mimosa A5/A5C units,
> but not nearly this many.  It's starting to have an effect on service on
> the sector.
> >>
> >> Any ideas what I should look at?  Some people were claiming that
> putting something like a Netonix in between the Mimosa and the Mikrotik
> solved their issues, but I'm wondering if the surge suppressors are
> creating an issue as well.
> >>
> >> -Jason
> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] this list

[Steve Jones]

is there a red button perhaps that says dont push? push that button

On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 5:36 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Knobs, switches , buttons and levers!!
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Fri, Jun 8, 2018, 11:01 AM  wrote:
>
>> Not sure.  Since the domain has not transferred yet I cannot even get
>> into the back end of the new list server.  Not sure how many knobs it has.
>>
>> *From:* Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Friday, June 8, 2018 10:44 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] this list
>>
>> if there is a mechanism to sign up manually, it might be best to share in
>> the event it doesnt migrate well so the info is already out there
>>
>> out of curiousity, is the new list going to be publicly searchable like
>> the aws list?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 10:10 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> I should be able to automatically sign everyone up.  I have the list.  I
>>> believe there is a bulk import.
>>> It may send you a note asking you to verify.  I would hope it will.
>>>
>>> *From:* Carl Peterson
>>> *Sent:* Friday, June 8, 2018 9:07 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] this list
>>>
>>> So before it dies, is there a process for us to sign up for the new
>>> list?
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 10:55 AM,  wrote:
>>>
>>>> It is gonna die any day now.  I gave GoDaddy the magic Tucows key to
>>>> steal it away from them.
>>>>
>>>> I have mailman hired to host.
>>>>
>>>> I keep checking on the status of the domain transfer and it just says
>>>> “in process” or something like that.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Carl Peterson
>>>
>>> *PORT NETWORKS*
>>>
>>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
>>>
>>> Baltimore, MD 21202
>>>
>>> (410) 637-3707
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

[Steve Jones]

isnt that a broads only oceans flick? tsk tsk tsk
I miss the real rat pack, I wish we had a rat pack today

On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 12:46 PM  wrote:

> MoviePass makes you send a photo of your ticket now.
>
> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 9, 2018 9:20 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review
>
>
> Saw Hotel Artemis last night I felt it needed another hour of
> storyline.
>
> Have not made it to Ocean's 8 yet... my MoviePass is getting a good
> workout though
>
> Sent from my smartphone
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "Jaime Solorza" 
> To: "Animal Farm" 
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review
> Date: Sat, Jun 9, 2018 8:10 PM
>
> We watched Death Wish with Bruce Willis at homeit's okay
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Sat, Jun 9, 2018, 7:02 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Oceans 8
>>
>> Meh
>>
>> OK, Movie Pass made me not regret paying for it.
>> Just was not funny like the other Ocean movies.
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] this list

[Steve Jones]

if there is a mechanism to sign up manually, it might be best to share in
the event it doesnt migrate well so the info is already out there

out of curiousity, is the new list going to be publicly searchable like the
aws list?



On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 10:10 AM  wrote:

> I should be able to automatically sign everyone up.  I have the list.  I
> believe there is a bulk import.
> It may send you a note asking you to verify.  I would hope it will.
>
> *From:* Carl Peterson
> *Sent:* Friday, June 8, 2018 9:07 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] this list
>
> So before it dies, is there a process for us to sign up for the new list?
>
> On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 10:55 AM,  wrote:
>
>> It is gonna die any day now.  I gave GoDaddy the magic Tucows key to
>> steal it away from them.
>>
>> I have mailman hired to host.
>>
>> I keep checking on the status of the domain transfer and it just says “in
>> process” or something like that.
>>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Carl Peterson
>
> *PORT NETWORKS*
>
> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
>
> Baltimore, MD 21202
>
> (410) 637-3707
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey

[Steve Jones]

cause the operator is trying to get off meth and figure if they waste all
their money buying more AP than is required they wont have any money for
the crank

On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 9:47 PM George Skorup 
wrote:

> Ok, I guess I have to be the one to say this. Why would we want a
> 450-based micro-POP product when we have ePMP? Just askin'.
>
> On 6/7/2018 10:29 AM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:
>
> I would really like to get your opinions on this topic� would a 450
> device like this help you in your network?
>
> �
>
> Now�s you chance to comment and help direct us!
>
> �
>
> Please fill out the short survey and add any other info you�d like.�
> It�s only 16 questions.
>
> �
>
> Matt
>
> �
>
> *From:* Af   *On Behalf Of *Ray
> Savich
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 7, 2018 10:08 AM
> *To:* 'af@afmug.com'  
> *Subject* [AFMUG] Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey
>
> �
>
> Add your input to the Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey.
>
> https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/CambiumMicroPOP
> 
>
> �
>
> �
>
> Join the Conversation
>
> Cambium Networks Community Forum
> 
>
> �
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] List

[Steve Jones]

Where'd you get my resume? You been trolling my linkdn?

On Wed, Jun 6, 2018, 8:22 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> To drink or not to drink.  Pros and cons
> Pros
> Buzz
>
> Cons
> Dick stops working, even the next day
> Ugly women look good to you
> You hit on ugly women
> You can fu*k up your ability to get insurance or a drivers license
> Hangovers
> Puke mouth
> Kissing a puke mouth
> Beer goggles
> Beer gut
> Puking
> Cleaning up Puke
> Screwing your buddies wife
> Waking up in jail for no apparent reason
> Waking up in your car not knowing where you are
> Waking up not knowing where you are
> Discovering you bought many rounds for the whole bar on your credit card
> Waking up with a new girlfriend that you don’t know.
> Learning you were making out with a totally fugly girl that is old enough
> to be your mother.
> Puking in public venues before thousands of people
> Waking up face down in a bathtub thinking you are dead because all you can
> see is white.
> Did I mention that your dick stops working...
>
> So I have been told...
>
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 06, 2018 3:40 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] List
>
> i havent been drinking, so its ok
> thats a lie though
> i have been drinking
> and its not ok
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 1:13 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> Good to hear, I'm having withdrawals.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 6, 2018,  wrote:
>>
>>> I am in the process of moving it.  AWS or whatever is running on the AWS
>>> is getting progressively more and more flakey.  So, I have put it off long
>>> enough.  Domain will move to GoDaddy and the list will move to
>>> mailmanhost.com
>>> Will probably take a few days.
>>>
>>> *From:* Jason McKemie
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 6, 2018 10:10 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] List
>>>
>>> Is this list just done?  Seems to be off as much as on anymore.  Unless
>>> everyone is just outside as opposed to in front of a computer like me.
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] List

[Steve Jones]

i havent been drinking, so its ok
thats a lie though
i have been drinking
and its not ok


On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 1:13 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Good to hear, I'm having withdrawals.
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 6, 2018,  wrote:
>
>> I am in the process of moving it.  AWS or whatever is running on the AWS
>> is getting progressively more and more flakey.  So, I have put it off long
>> enough.  Domain will move to GoDaddy and the list will move to
>> mailmanhost.com
>> Will probably take a few days.
>>
>> *From:* Jason McKemie
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 6, 2018 10:10 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] List
>>
>> Is this list just done?  Seems to be off as much as on anymore.  Unless
>> everyone is just outside as opposed to in front of a computer like me.
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] changes to this list

[Steve Jones]

is it the russians we are moving it to? Theyre pretty good at this
interwebs stuff

On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 1:09 PM, Josh Baird  wrote:

> I think this is a good move.
>
> On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 2:08 PM,  wrote:
>
>> Problems.  It is on AWS.  Who knows.
>>
>> Worked great for almost 5 years.
>>
>> But since it is just maintenance by a committee of volunteers, I figured
>> it best to just move it over to folks that specialize in running lists for
>> others.
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 6, 2018 12:04 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] changes to this list
>>
>> Amazon problems?
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> 
>> Suite 1337
>> 
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 1:36 PM,  wrote:
>>
>>> I think we will be able to do this without any re-subscribing.
>>> -Original Message- From: Christopher Tyler Sent: Wednesday, June
>>> 6, 2018 11:23 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] changes to this
>>> list
>>> Are you moving the accounts or will we need to subscribe again?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet
>>> Services 417.851.1107
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2018 12:00:10 PM
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] changes to this list
>>>
>>> Once it is up and running, to post will most likely be a...@af.afmug.com
>>>
>>> They need a sub domain.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

[Steve Jones]

Tell Ubnt that in 3ghz

On Thu, May 31, 2018, 5:43 PM Faisal Imtiaz 
wrote:

> >>FWIW: I haven't heard any issues with Mimosa's frequency conversions.
>
> and that is because they are not !
>
> contrary to popular thinking .. using an underlying protocol chip-set is
> equal to freq conversation...
>
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Mike Hammett" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, May 31, 2018 2:52:20 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?
>
> FWIW: I haven't heard any issues with Mimosa's frequency conversions.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, May 31, 2018 10:47:19 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?
>
> for the love of god, stop upconverting things
>
> On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 10:43 AM, Eric Kuhnke 
> wrote:
>
>> I would add on the "NOT" section, item #6:
>>
>> You need it to pass an RFC2544 or Y.1731 ethernet frame test at anything
>> near line rate.
>>
>> It's based on an upconverted 802.11ac Quantenna chipset, the TDD nature
>> of the radio means that it won't pass bidirectional simultaneous traffic
>> tests which require an FDD radio.
>>
>> For the record an AF24 will also not pass an RFC2544 test due to the 160
>> byte fragmentation issue with how it frames things. Not even at 500 Mbps x
>> 500 Mbps on a perfect, -56 signal 770x770 RF link.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 8:49 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> B24 is an excellent radio for the following situation:-
>>>   1) Short links (lets just say under 1.5 miles give or take).
>>>   2) need small size radio
>>>   3) need low power consumption
>>>   4) need to stack a few in different directions on the same mast.
>>>   5) need a fat pipe, which is not available from 5ghz due to freq /
>>> interference issues. (up to 1.5G Aggregate)
>>>   6) It is designed for Building Hopping as well as Video Networks
>>>   7) it will be interesting to see if they go thru with their initial
>>> intent to convert this into a B23 (23Ghz licensed radio).
>>>
>>> B24 is NOT for situations where  !
>>>1) You need long links (lets just say over 1.5miles).
>>>3) You have symmetric traffic  (i.e duplex )
>>>4) You need a larger Radio  a
>>>5) You need a 700meg or 1G duplex
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518  x 232
>>>
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518  Option 2 or Email:
>>> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
>>> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 30, 2018 9:14:54 PM
>>>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?
>>>
>>> I am in El Paso...real men don't need water
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 30, 2018, 7:07 PM Adair Winter 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Unless you live in a very dry are I think 2 miles is pushing it. In
>>>> rane zone E (yes I know) we don't expect any sort of reliability past 1-1.5
>>>> miles.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 8:04 PM Jaime Solorza <
>>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Range for Mimosa is 2 miles?  Small footprint, lower price...I see it
>>>>> has place in downtown or campus applicatio

Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design

[Steve Jones]

You haven't been to a lot of campgrounds have you? There is always that guy
that poops everywhere. I'm not sure the rules, you may have to provide
toilets

On Thu, May 31, 2018, 3:53 PM  wrote:

> No poop.  I would give each pad a sewer connection.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 31, 2018 1:58 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design
>
> Lake Shelbyville is run by the corpse of engineers, managed by park
> services, really nice joint if you're in Illinois. Unlike private run ones,
> the poop is off the bathroom walls by noon.
> You like cleaning poop chuck? Cause that's also how you get to clean poop.
>
> On Thu, May 31, 2018, 10:57 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> Yeah. We like to "boondock" on BLM or national forrest. A lot of those
>> are free (zero facilities, but the privacy is at maximum). Forrest
>> service campgrounds are generally well maintained and very competitive
>> price-wise.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 5/31/2018 8:53 AM, Larry Smith wrote:
>> > We have a 32 foot Jayco travel trailer that we pull
>> > all over the place (mostly central and west Tennessee,
>> > some Kentucky, Missouri, Arkansas).
>> >
>> > Prices where we have stayed range from $5 with nothing
>> > but a place to park to $41.50 with pad, water, sewage, electric.
>> >
>> > There are much more expensive ones, but we don't stay there
>> >
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design

[Steve Jones]

Lake Shelbyville is run by the corpse of engineers, managed by park
services, really nice joint if you're in Illinois. Unlike private run ones,
the poop is off the bathroom walls by noon.
You like cleaning poop chuck? Cause that's also how you get to clean poop.

On Thu, May 31, 2018, 10:57 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

> Yeah. We like to "boondock" on BLM or national forrest. A lot of those
> are free (zero facilities, but the privacy is at maximum). Forrest
> service campgrounds are generally well maintained and very competitive
> price-wise.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 5/31/2018 8:53 AM, Larry Smith wrote:
> > We have a 32 foot Jayco travel trailer that we pull
> > all over the place (mostly central and west Tennessee,
> > some Kentucky, Missouri, Arkansas).
> >
> > Prices where we have stayed range from $5 with nothing
> > but a place to park to $41.50 with pad, water, sewage, electric.
> >
> > There are much more expensive ones, but we don't stay there
> >
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

[Steve Jones]

for the love of god, stop upconverting things

On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 10:43 AM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

> I would add on the "NOT" section, item #6:
>
> You need it to pass an RFC2544 or Y.1731 ethernet frame test at anything
> near line rate.
>
> It's based on an upconverted 802.11ac Quantenna chipset, the TDD nature of
> the radio means that it won't pass bidirectional simultaneous traffic tests
> which require an FDD radio.
>
> For the record an AF24 will also not pass an RFC2544 test due to the 160
> byte fragmentation issue with how it frames things. Not even at 500 Mbps x
> 500 Mbps on a perfect, -56 signal 770x770 RF link.
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 8:49 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:
>
>> B24 is an excellent radio for the following situation:-
>>   1) Short links (lets just say under 1.5 miles give or take).
>>   2) need small size radio
>>   3) need low power consumption
>>   4) need to stack a few in different directions on the same mast.
>>   5) need a fat pipe, which is not available from 5ghz due to freq /
>> interference issues. (up to 1.5G Aggregate)
>>   6) It is designed for Building Hopping as well as Video Networks
>>   7) it will be interesting to see if they go thru with their initial
>> intent to convert this into a B23 (23Ghz licensed radio).
>>
>> B24 is NOT for situations where  !
>>1) You need long links (lets just say over 1.5miles).
>>3) You have symmetric traffic  (i.e duplex )
>>4) You need a larger Radio  :)
>>5) You need a 700meg or 1G duplex
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>>
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
>> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 30, 2018 9:14:54 PM
>>
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?
>>
>> I am in El Paso...real men don't need water
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Wed, May 30, 2018, 7:07 PM Adair Winter 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Unless you live in a very dry are I think 2 miles is pushing it. In rane
>>> zone E (yes I know) we don't expect any sort of reliability past 1-1.5
>>> miles.
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 8:04 PM Jaime Solorza 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Range for Mimosa is 2 miles?  Small footprint, lower price...I see it
 has place in downtown or campus application... another tool for us..

 Jaime Solorza

 On Wed, May 30, 2018, 6:59 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> The AF is much larger and thus  has much more gain.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Josh Baird" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 30, 2018 6:30:31 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?
>
> What makes it not a replacement for the AF24?
>
> On May 30, 2018, at 7:14 PM, Gino A. Villarini 
> wrote:
>
> We have several links installed, so far so good… not really a af24
> replacement, but… works for the application
>
> From: Af  on behalf of Sam Lambie <
> samtaos...@gmail.com>
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 at 2:29 PM
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?
>
> Hey all,
>
> Has anyone deployed these guys yet? If so, what do you think?
> I am needing a smaller form factor like this for a particular site and
> these fit the bill nicely. And the 50% cost reduction over ubnt af24 is
> sweet too.
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com 
>
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Adair Winter
>>> VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
>>> Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071
>>> C: 806.231.7180
>>> http://www.amarillowireless.net
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design

[Steve Jones]

do you like liability and property damage? cause thats how you get
liability and property damage

fees range from 5-25 for rustic no power/water/etc to 150/night depending
on the park. but 30-50 is average with power and water

On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 10:40 AM,  wrote:

> What does a traveler expect to pay to park in one of these places?  I have
> about 10 acres next to I-80 with water, power and sewer already installed.
> I could lay down some gravel and put up a sign.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 31, 2018 9:39 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design
>
> industrial vending machine selling routers.
> Im trying to get the one we are doing to finger conduit to each site post
> for future use, whether fiber or copper
>
> On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 10:22 AM, Cameron Crum  wrote:
>
>> You'd be surprised. A lot of them travel with their own cable modems and
>> wifi routers. But you could always rent them one, or set up each ONT with a
>> small wifi router already and give them a choice.
>>
>> On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 10:05 AM, Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Probably zero.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 31, 2018,  wrote:
>>>
>>>> How many RV travelers are set up for ethernet vs WiFi?
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Jason McKemie
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 31, 2018 6:42 AM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design
>>>>
>>>> I'd do fiber as well, seems like that many long-run cat5/6 connections
>>>> could be problematic.
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, May 30, 2018, Cameron Crum  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Why run ethernet? This seems ideal for fiber. Put a small box for the
>>>>> ONT on the same pole as the electrical hookup with about 20 ft of ethernet
>>>>> cable so they can drag it through a window and call it a day. Rent them a
>>>>> cheap router if they want wifi or mount a small loco ac or something
>>>>> running as a low powered AP and alternate frequencies every 3 or 4 spaces.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 2:57 PM, Colin Stanners 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Be careful of selling service over Wi-FI... customers buy "signal
>>>>>> boosters" that run their own DHCP server, or they see a very strong 
>>>>>> signal
>>>>>> to their booster and complain that their service sucks (don't understand
>>>>>> that the signal from the booster to your network is low). And there's
>>>>>> interference from mobile hotspots etc
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would do like Adam says, run ethernet lines everywhere with
>>>>>> outdoor-grade ethernet connection boxes (make sure to have a surge
>>>>>> protector on each line as it returns to your switch). You can try 
>>>>>> offering
>>>>>> some service over wifi but tell customers that if they want reliable 
>>>>>> speeds
>>>>>> they need to hardwire.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 1:07 PM, castarritt 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We were approached by a current subscriber who is building an RV
>>>>>>> park with around ~100 pads, and he wants us to offer service to his
>>>>>>> tenants.  This isn't the typical situation where we would sell service 
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> the RV park, and they handle distributing it to their customers.  He 
>>>>>>> wants
>>>>>>> to avoid providing wi-fi himself, and will instead let us charge every
>>>>>>> client that wants service separately.  Also, this isn't a campground; 
>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>> shortest lease term will be monthly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> While the park is under construction, he is willing to let us lay
>>>>>>> conduit, so we could provide wired service to each pad if we wanted to.
>>>>>>> Alternatively, we could just setup a bunch of wi-fi APs.  One potential
>>>>>>> complication is that we have a fairly busy cluster of 5g PMP450s a 
>>>>>>> couple
>>>>>>> hundred yards from this RV park, so while wired service could be more
>>>>>>> reliable for the park tenants, the potential for 100 customer wi-fi 
>>>>>>> routers
>>>>>>> we can't control operating within sight of our PMP450 POP sounds like 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> stuff of nightmares.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We are leaning more towards a wi-fi option due to better control
>>>>>>> over spectrum, as well as avoiding maintenance of 100 outdoor ethernet
>>>>>>> ports that the customers would be plugging into, but we are open to
>>>>>>> suggestions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, assuming wi-fi is the correct answer, does anyone have any
>>>>>>> equipment recommendations?  The park is about 400' by 900'.  I was 
>>>>>>> looking
>>>>>>> at either doing a whole bunch of low end APs, or maybe ~8 sectors.  We
>>>>>>> haven't used any of the Cambium wi-fi gear yet, but the cnPilot E501S 
>>>>>>> looks
>>>>>>> interesting.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chris Starritt
>>>>>>> Western Broadband
>>>>>>> supp...@ecpi.com
>>>>>>> 512-257-1077
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] tower assembly in Northern WI

[Steve Jones]

thats harsh, why would you wish anyone to ever set foot in a starbucks, no
matter what theyve donw

On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 6:33 PM,  wrote:

> I know what you mean.  I had a flight instructor think I was an idiot
> during autorotation practice in a helicopter.  From my point of view I took
> the rotor speed right up to the red line.  But since he was in the left
> seat parallax error made it look like I was overspeeding the rotor and he
> would violently punch the cyclic forward each time.
>
> Many years ago and I still wake up mad about it.  I kinda hope I run into
> him in a Starbucks someday, him taking orders behind the counter...
>
> *From:* Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 30, 2018 4:58 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] tower assembly in Northern WI
>
> Yeah, it happened 25 years ago and it still pisses off.
>
> On Wed, May 30, 2018, 4:10 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:
>
>> Somebody oughtta go to prison for a thing like that... although union
>> hall catching fire does sound like a pretty good compromise...
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 4:07 PM,  wrote:
>>
>>> I think that would be a good case for RICO.  Perhaps get some kind of
>>> prosecutor to attempt to raise hell with the union.
>>> Funny, union hall might catch fire too...
>>>
>>> *From:* Robert
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 30, 2018 1:57 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] tower assembly in Northern WI
>>>
>>> Darn, ( using polite word ) I have friends that would stack again and
>>> sit by, armed, just looking for the opportunity to "discuss"...   That
>>> pissed off about private property trespassing out here in NV...
>>>
>>> On 5/30/18 12:52 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>>
>>> I think it was Wisconsin in winter where we stacked a 485 foot tower.
>>> Next day we came to the site to finish cleanup and it had been cut down.
>>> They were kind enough to leave a sign on the fence as to which union local
>>> we should contact if we wanted to build it again. Thugs. The moral of the
>>> story, Hire at least one union guy in a union state.
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 1:31 PM Eric Kuhnke 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I would recommend joining the largest Facebook tower industry specific
 groups (search groups for tower climbing, tower, etc). There's about four
 of them that are really active, and between the groups probably 30,000
 members in total. Put out a message that you're looking for a contractor
 and see what you get back.


 On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 7:06 AM, Brandon Yuchasz <
 li...@gogebicrange.net> wrote:

> I am looking for someone to stack two Rohn 65 towers in Northern WI.
> Towers are 140’ and the site will be completely prepped ahead of time.
> Concrete work will all be done and the towers will be on site waiting. We
> have talked to one company from Lower WI so far but they are doing a lot 
> of
> large cellular constructions this summer and priced these two in a similar
> range. I took the quotes as they didn’t want to be doing these small of
> jobs.
>
> If anyone knows of someone of if anyone on the list is interested in
> this they can hit me off list for more details. If you are out of the area
> and willing to travel up give me a shout as well might be able to make it
> work.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brandon
>
>
>


>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] tower assembly in Northern WI

[Steve Jones]

WI busted the unions woot woot

On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 2:52 PM, Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> I think it was Wisconsin in winter where we stacked a 485 foot tower. Next
> day we came to the site to finish cleanup and it had been cut down. They
> were kind enough to leave a sign on the fence as to which union local we
> should contact if we wanted to build it again. Thugs. The moral of the
> story, Hire at least one union guy in a union state.
>
> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 1:31 PM Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
>
>> I would recommend joining the largest Facebook tower industry specific
>> groups (search groups for tower climbing, tower, etc). There's about four
>> of them that are really active, and between the groups probably 30,000
>> members in total. Put out a message that you're looking for a contractor
>> and see what you get back.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 7:06 AM, Brandon Yuchasz 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am looking for someone to stack two Rohn 65 towers in Northern WI.
>>> Towers are 140’ and the site will be completely prepped ahead of time.
>>> Concrete work will all be done and the towers will be on site waiting. We
>>> have talked to one company from Lower WI so far but they are doing a lot of
>>> large cellular constructions this summer and priced these two in a similar
>>> range. I took the quotes as they didn’t want to be doing these small of
>>> jobs.
>>>
>>> If anyone knows of someone of if anyone on the list is interested in
>>> this they can hit me off list for more details. If you are out of the area
>>> and willing to travel up give me a shout as well might be able to make it
>>> work.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Brandon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design

[Steve Jones]

industrial vending machine selling routers.
Im trying to get the one we are doing to finger conduit to each site post
for future use, whether fiber or copper

On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 10:22 AM, Cameron Crum  wrote:

> You'd be surprised. A lot of them travel with their own cable modems and
> wifi routers. But you could always rent them one, or set up each ONT with a
> small wifi router already and give them a choice.
>
> On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 10:05 AM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> Probably zero.
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, May 31, 2018,  wrote:
>>
>>> How many RV travelers are set up for ethernet vs WiFi?
>>>
>>> *From:* Jason McKemie
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 31, 2018 6:42 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design
>>>
>>> I'd do fiber as well, seems like that many long-run cat5/6 connections
>>> could be problematic.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 30, 2018, Cameron Crum  wrote:
>>>
 Why run ethernet? This seems ideal for fiber. Put a small box for the
 ONT on the same pole as the electrical hookup with about 20 ft of ethernet
 cable so they can drag it through a window and call it a day. Rent them a
 cheap router if they want wifi or mount a small loco ac or something
 running as a low powered AP and alternate frequencies every 3 or 4 spaces.




 On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 2:57 PM, Colin Stanners 
 wrote:

> Be careful of selling service over Wi-FI... customers buy "signal
> boosters" that run their own DHCP server, or they see a very strong signal
> to their booster and complain that their service sucks (don't understand
> that the signal from the booster to your network is low). And there's
> interference from mobile hotspots etc
>
> I would do like Adam says, run ethernet lines everywhere with
> outdoor-grade ethernet connection boxes (make sure to have a surge
> protector on each line as it returns to your switch). You can try offering
> some service over wifi but tell customers that if they want reliable 
> speeds
> they need to hardwire.
>
> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 1:07 PM, castarritt 
> wrote:
>
>> We were approached by a current subscriber who is building an RV park
>> with around ~100 pads, and he wants us to offer service to his tenants.
>> This isn't the typical situation where we would sell service to the RV
>> park, and they handle distributing it to their customers.  He wants to
>> avoid providing wi-fi himself, and will instead let us charge every 
>> client
>> that wants service separately.  Also, this isn't a campground; his 
>> shortest
>> lease term will be monthly.
>>
>> While the park is under construction, he is willing to let us lay
>> conduit, so we could provide wired service to each pad if we wanted to.
>> Alternatively, we could just setup a bunch of wi-fi APs.  One potential
>> complication is that we have a fairly busy cluster of 5g PMP450s a couple
>> hundred yards from this RV park, so while wired service could be more
>> reliable for the park tenants, the potential for 100 customer wi-fi 
>> routers
>> we can't control operating within sight of our PMP450 POP sounds like the
>> stuff of nightmares.
>>
>> We are leaning more towards a wi-fi option due to better control over
>> spectrum, as well as avoiding maintenance of 100 outdoor ethernet ports
>> that the customers would be plugging into, but we are open to 
>> suggestions.
>>
>> Also, assuming wi-fi is the correct answer, does anyone have any
>> equipment recommendations?  The park is about 400' by 900'.  I was 
>> looking
>> at either doing a whole bunch of low end APs, or maybe ~8 sectors.  We
>> haven't used any of the Cambium wi-fi gear yet, but the cnPilot E501S 
>> looks
>> interesting.
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Chris Starritt
>> Western Broadband
>> supp...@ecpi.com
>> 512-257-1077
>>
>
>


>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] we dead?

[Steve Jones]

I thought I might have been in a roman wilderness of pain

This is the end
Beautiful friend
This is the end
My only friend, the end


On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 2:51 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Where do you think you ended up, my good Steve?  I could quote you some
> Dante, Milton or Marlowe!!! Hahaha (inject Vincent Price laughing
> malevolently)
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Wed, May 30, 2018, 12:54 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> is that it? is this the end?
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design

[Steve Jones]

we have a campground running conduit from the tower where they get our
service to the middle of a campsite cluster to a pole theyre putting in. We
know we will put fiber in the conduit, thats as far as we have gotten. We
have the option to monetize, but instead are letting the campground mother
just handle tokens. looking at cambium if cnmaestro has an old lady
friendly interface for this side (just generate a token for x days and be
done, they said they probably wont monetize either) about all we will do is
put our *provided by logo on the splash page

On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 1:07 PM, castarritt  wrote:

> We were approached by a current subscriber who is building an RV park with
> around ~100 pads, and he wants us to offer service to his tenants.  This
> isn't the typical situation where we would sell service to the RV park, and
> they handle distributing it to their customers.  He wants to avoid
> providing wi-fi himself, and will instead let us charge every client that
> wants service separately.  Also, this isn't a campground; his shortest
> lease term will be monthly.
>
> While the park is under construction, he is willing to let us lay conduit,
> so we could provide wired service to each pad if we wanted to.
> Alternatively, we could just setup a bunch of wi-fi APs.  One potential
> complication is that we have a fairly busy cluster of 5g PMP450s a couple
> hundred yards from this RV park, so while wired service could be more
> reliable for the park tenants, the potential for 100 customer wi-fi routers
> we can't control operating within sight of our PMP450 POP sounds like the
> stuff of nightmares.
>
> We are leaning more towards a wi-fi option due to better control over
> spectrum, as well as avoiding maintenance of 100 outdoor ethernet ports
> that the customers would be plugging into, but we are open to suggestions.
>
> Also, assuming wi-fi is the correct answer, does anyone have any equipment
> recommendations?  The park is about 400' by 900'.  I was looking at either
> doing a whole bunch of low end APs, or maybe ~8 sectors.  We haven't used
> any of the Cambium wi-fi gear yet, but the cnPilot E501S looks interesting.
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Chris Starritt
> Western Broadband
> supp...@ecpi.com
> 512-257-1077
>

[AFMUG] we dead?

[Steve Jones]

is that it? is this the end?

Re: [AFMUG] Multiple cable wall pass-through

[Steve Jones]

you want six cables in one hole or 6 holes? 1/2 inch glands is what i use
on single cables, available at any hardware store, they have like 3/4"
thread, so the lock nut would affix. Theyre cheaper in bulk than a hardware
store, like 6 for 30 bucks at hardware store or 50 for 100 bucks in bulk
online

On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 3:48 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> A 1" conduit bulkhead connector will do the trick. Attach a short length
> of conduit on the outside with a sweep.
>
> If the nipple on the bulkhead connector is not long enough, you can get
> longer nipples at any hardware store (1" though 3 or 4 inches).
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 5/25/2018 1:43 PM, Mike Davis wrote:
>
> Any suggestions on where to get a cable wall pass-through for a 1/2" steel
> plate? I am out of ideas of where to try. I need to get 6 cat cables from
> the inside of a water tower to the outside at the top of the tower.
> --
> *Mike Davis*
> General Manager
> Office: 260-349-1799
> Email: *mikeda...@allianceinternet.net *
>
> *Alliance Internet Communications* | www.allianceinternet.net
> PO Box 1100 | 1220 South Wayne Street | Angola, IN | 46703
> 
> | 260-349-1799
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] SOHO router hack

[Steve Jones]

or use a drop all input rule with ACL, pretty much the bees knees next to
not having a public IP

On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 10:03 PM, Timothy Steele 
wrote:

> Mikrotiks are affected too please upgrade your firmware and keep your
> firewall updated on routers with Public IP's
>
>
> On Fri, May 25, 2018, 7:19 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> FBI recommends users at a minimum reboot their router to kill the
>> malware.  Factory default, upgrade firmware and change passwords etc. is
>> the best fix.
>>
>> https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/
>> 05/fbi-tells-router-users-to-reboot-now-to-kill-malware-
>> infecting-500k-devices/
>>
>>

[AFMUG] too much downtilt and destructive multipath

[Steve Jones]

so i had a site hung for me, 5ghz epmp, 5.1. Its always had mad fading,
like 20 db through the day. i sent the contractors up today and they were
hung a little low elevation, only like 1.2 degree

they corrected it, I see an average drop in rssi of 2-3db at the
subscribers, but as yet there has been no fluctuation.
the worst affected were in the 4-7 mile range

I suspect these customers need to be re-aligned and we will see the
expected  linkplanner numbers, I think they were peaked to a reflection
that faded throughout the day

If this is a correct assumption, could somebody with better brain bits put
this into words for me to describe to others (boss and contractors in
particular) what is happenning with cancellation throughout the day as
temperatures and reflectivity changes

Re: [AFMUG] AF11x to Remec/APEX etc adapters

[Steve Jones]

It's best to just drink when your iron fire is full.
I know this.
I drink.
I have two fires and spare irons in wait.

On Wed, May 23, 2018, 1:55 PM  wrote:

> If you have asked me for this product please let me know.  We are getting
> some beta quantities going now and I never kept really good track of those
> that want to be on the list.  So a list now exists and there is even a
> person managing the list that will expedite fulfillment.
>
> Too many irons in the fire
>

Re: [AFMUG] Used & New WISP Gear For Sale....Need some shelf space!

[Steve Jones]

if its not friday, its free

On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 8:51 AM, Tyson Burris  wrote:

> I have the following to clear out…
>
> Send me a message (off list) if you are need any.
>
>
>
> Don’t like the price?  Make a ‘reasonable’ offer.
>
> Shipping NOT included.
>
>
>
>
>
> *FSK Canopy SM’s:*
>
> All flavors – 2400, 5700 and 900:  $5  EACH
>
>
>
> *Last Mile Gear Cyclone:*
>
> Qty 2- 180 Degree 2450 AP:  $100 Each
>
> Qty 2- 120 Degree 5750 AP:   $100 Each
>
> Qty 1- (Connectorized) 900 MHz AP:  $50
>
>
>
>
>
> *Packet flux Sync Injectors:*
>
> PTP/PTMP Sync Injector 100 w/PS:  $30 Each
>
> PMP 320/430 Syn Injector w/PS: $30 Each
>
>
>
> *KP Performance:*
>
> Brand New J-ARMS:  $5 Each
>
>
>
> *Cambium:*
>
> Brand New 10Mb 5792 SM (connectorized):  $70 Each
>
> Used 430 AP’s (connectorized): $50 Each
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Tyson Burris, President*
> *Internet Communications Inc.*
> *739 Commerce Dr.
> *
> *Franklin, IN 46131
> *
>
> *Daytime #* *317-738-0320 *
> *Cell/Direct #* *317-412-1540 *
> *Online: **www.surfici.net* 
>
>
>
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>
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>
>
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> Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure.*
>
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> *confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review,*
> *dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by*
> *unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly*
> *prohibited.*
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] spectrum customer calls me to fix their DVR

[Steve Jones]

You should have politely assisted them in solving their problem. Then
offered kind words about spectrum followed up with "I just wish their
service and support were as good as ours so you would have to go through
inconveniences like this"

On Mon, May 21, 2018, 10:45 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> You could have posed as a spectrum CRS and told the guy he was too stupid
> to own a DVR and hung up the phone.  Or said we don’t support DVRs, only
> the WISPs do... or  or
>
> *From:* Kurt Fankhauser
> *Sent:* Monday, May 21, 2018 7:34 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] spectrum customer calls me to fix their DVR
>
> I had a person call me and just start telling me how their DVR wasn't
> working on their remote view app anymore, finally figured out they had
> Spectrum internet service and not my WISP service. I told him that since
> spectrum is a competitor i Wouldn't be able to help him with that and told
> him if he had service through me that I would definitely be able to help
> him with that. He got pissed and said he's not switching and hung up the
> phone. SMH
>

Re: [AFMUG] 8 mile link

[Steve Jones]

Midpoints is what we try to get in these situations. If the customer is
worth having, it's great, they handle the funny business with the midpoint
property owner (usually they pay for that customers service) and it leaves
you the ability to serve other customers on the other side of the tree line.

Fyi Ubnt used to have a 900 mhz USB spectrum analyzer. I put mine in a
small project box with 10' usb and small adapter to N on an 11dbi yagi with
a screwdriver through the hole as a handle. Worked great for checking noise
and tracing interference for under 60 bucks. Better than investing in 450
and it sitting on your shelf because the electric company wants to remotely
rape people.

On Mon, May 21, 2018, 1:52 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Maybe leapfrog with some back to back rockets or picos or whatever is
> cheap at the treeline.  Solar powered.
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Monday, May 21, 2018 12:49 PM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 8 mile link
>
> Yeah... but that only works if you have property access.
>
> On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 1:32 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> 700’ of cable and use as high capacity radios as you want.  It really is
>> not that far if you have property access.
>>
>> *From:* Eric Kuhnke
>> *Sent:* Monday, May 21, 2018 11:46 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 8 mile link
>>
>> Probably worth getting a spectrum analyzer that has 900 in its range, and
>> a 900 yagi, before spending the $2700+ on a 450i 900 AP and antenna.
>>
>> For the original poster's problem I would try, if possible, moving up to
>> 3' dishes on both ends, and ac based radios. And using a 10 MHz channel.
>> Might have a better chance of getting a signal like -61 (not -71) and
>> through "some" trees.
>>
>> On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 10:31 AM, Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The problem with 900mhz, is that you never know if it's actually going
>>> to work in any given area until you try it.  If there are 900mhz smart
>>> meters around, don't even bother... but even if there aren't, 900mhz can be
>>> pretty unpredictable in my experience. If you do go 900mhz, PTP450 is
>>> definitely the best option.
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 11:59 AM, Erich Kaiser <
>>> er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote:
>>>
 900 PTP 450 with KP Performance Antennas, I run mine 3 miles completely
 NLOS on 7 MHZ and it runs fine to my house.  During heavy rain and through
 heavy foliage (Currently) this is what I am getting








 On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 11:53 AM, Dave  wrote:

> Yeah, The 450i 900 system would definately do the trick
> How much bandwidth do you need?
> The 900 on a 10Mhz channel we see around 35Mbs in a noisy environment
> on 8x/4xmimoB rate.
> If your doing ptp with it then open it up to 20Mhz wide and bang on.
>
>
> On 05/21/2018 10:49 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:
>
> Ok. I'll give those a try and see what happens. Thanks.
>
> Travis
>
>
> On 5/21/2018 9:37 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>
> You could very likely get a bit more speed out of that by going to the
> new AC radios... my guess is that the airFibers would be even better, but 
> I
> haven't used any of those in the 2.4ghz variety.
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 10:31 AM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>
>> The current signal level is -71. I have a 2ft dish on each side.
>>
>> Travis
>>
>>
>> On 5/21/2018 9:15 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>>
>> Yeah... 900mhz PTP 450 is probably the best option.
>>
>> What kind of signal level do you get with the 2.4ghz radios? you
>> could probably get a bit more out of it by going to airFiber 2x or Rocket
>> 2AC radios... and maybe a bigger dish.
>>
>> On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 10:09 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists <
>> jeffl...@att.net> wrote:
>>
>>> 900 PTP 450 from Cambium
>>>
>>> Jeff Broadwick
>>> CTIconnect
>>> 312-205-2519 Office
>>> 574-220-7826 Cell
>>> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>>>
>>> > On May 21, 2018, at 11:05 AM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hi,
>>> >
>>> > I'm looking for suggestions for an 8 mile link that will be
>>> shooting through a single wall of trees about 1/8 mile from one end of 
>>> the
>>> link. Currently using 2.4ghz Ubnt radios. Works great during the winter,
>>> but once the trees fill back in, the link drops to about 5Mbps actual
>>> throughput. Would be nice to get 20Mbps.
>>> >
>>> > Any suggestions? The trees are 80ft tall, so putting up a 100ft
>>> tower at a residence is not really an option. The other side is on top 
>>> of a
>>> 1000ft tall hill.
>>> >
>>> > Travis
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
>


>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for a new Truck/field Laptop

[Steve Jones]

I've been thinking about switching to the map but haven't verified it can
be poe powered and do poe out. I'd like the tools in the mikrotik right
there. Romon could keep the mac winbox access, but I don't know if the tik
phone app does that.

On Mon, May 21, 2018, 1:10 PM David Coudron <david.coud...@advantenon.com>
wrote:

> Very true.   However, we found that if we have to carry the USB dongle
> anyway, that carrying the mAP instead gave us much more freedom and
> reliability (the USB dongles seemed a little flaky, if they got pulled
> sideways in the port, they didn’t work).   We could even sit in the truck
> and work on the equipment without having to run a cable to cabinet, etc.
> Or have two techs connected to the cabinet at the same time.   However,
> there are lots of ways to skin this cat as you mention   Probably the
> biggest thing is that you can connect to the network using a phone rather
> than just an ethernet port based device like a laptop.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Dave
> *Sent:* Monday, May 21, 2018 11:55 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for a new Truck/field Laptop
>
>
>
> USB ethernet fixes that :)
>
> On 05/21/2018 09:12 AM, David Coudron wrote:
>
> We have been using the Mikrotik mAP in the same fashion as Steve mentions
> with some pretty good results.   Put IP addresses on the one interface as
> needed and then connect wirelessly.   We were killing EIthernet ports too
> often due to the stiffer shielded patch cables and cable runs on our tower
> sites.   They just put too much pressure on kinds of Ethernet ports many
> laptops have.  Now, it is getting tougher to find a decently thin laptop
> with an Ethernet port anyway.
>
>
>
> Additionally the techs are doing everything they can from their phones
> these days.   Normal Mimosa installs are entirely phone based.   Our main
> tech avoids the laptop like the plague.   We can firmware update the client
> radios, configure the radio, make the customer active in Powercode, etc all
> from the phone.   We really only use the laptop and mAP for tower work now,
> and much of that has moved to the phones too.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> <af-boun...@afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *
> Nate Burke
> *Sent:* Monday, May 21, 2018 9:06 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for a new Truck/field Laptop
>
>
>
> I've thought about the air-router approach, but probably 90% of my
> mikrotik work is with MAC-Winbox, setting up new routers.
>
> I just found the Acer Travelmate Spin B1.  $330.  Might pick one of those
> up and see how it works.
>
> On 5/21/2018 8:53 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> I paid 1500 for my Toshiba tecra (not toughbook) like 6 or 7 years ago,
> it's been through he'll in the field, roofs, grain elevators, rain, drops,
> left running in the bag and getting hot. It's on its 3rd battery, fourth
> keyboard, but runs strong and never fails, even has serial port. Price
> could have been less but I wanted the biggest processor because at the time
> I was running multiple VMs.
>
>
>
> Lenovo are decent, the antiglare  is still visiblish in the sun. The keys
> fall off and batteries don't last, Ether net is questionable, but God only
> knows what the techs stuck into it or settings they jacked up.
>
>
>
> Other than the need for wireshark occasionally, a cheap air router to
> connect to the device with a ton of ip aliases has allowed me to do 99
> percent from my phone now. Onedrive syncs our base config to dump in, we
> can test, allocate and finalize a customers installation directly from the
> top of their tower.
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 21, 2018, 8:38 AM Nate Burke <n...@blastcomm.com> wrote:
>
> The Netbook I've been using for a the last couple years bit the dust on
> an install last week.  Acer Aspire E11.  It was working fine one minute,
> then the Ethernet adapter was not detected by windows anymore.  Of
> course now-a-days nothing comes with a built in Ethernet adapter, I'd
> really hate having to remember to carry an Ethernet dongle everywhere.
> Looking for a small form factor ~11" so I can throw it in a canvas bag
> for a hike out to a tower site.  SSD and several-hour battery life are
> very nice as well.
>
> It doesn't need any mighty CPU or Video, the only thing that it does is
> program Radios/Mikrotiks, and RDP into another machine.
>
> The only new machines I've found so far that fits this bill are the
> Lenovo Thinkpad line.  It looks like a current g

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for a new Truck/field Laptop

[Steve Jones]

I paid 1500 for my Toshiba tecra (not toughbook) like 6 or 7 years ago,
it's been through he'll in the field, roofs, grain elevators, rain, drops,
left running in the bag and getting hot. It's on its 3rd battery, fourth
keyboard, but runs strong and never fails, even has serial port. Price
could have been less but I wanted the biggest processor because at the time
I was running multiple VMs.

Lenovo are decent, the antiglare  is still visiblish in the sun. The keys
fall off and batteries don't last, Ether net is questionable, but God only
knows what the techs stuck into it or settings they jacked up.

Other than the need for wireshark occasionally, a cheap air router to
connect to the device with a ton of ip aliases has allowed me to do 99
percent from my phone now. Onedrive syncs our base config to dump in, we
can test, allocate and finalize a customers installation directly from the
top of their tower.

On Mon, May 21, 2018, 8:38 AM Nate Burke  wrote:

> The Netbook I've been using for a the last couple years bit the dust on
> an install last week.  Acer Aspire E11.  It was working fine one minute,
> then the Ethernet adapter was not detected by windows anymore.  Of
> course now-a-days nothing comes with a built in Ethernet adapter, I'd
> really hate having to remember to carry an Ethernet dongle everywhere.
> Looking for a small form factor ~11" so I can throw it in a canvas bag
> for a hike out to a tower site.  SSD and several-hour battery life are
> very nice as well.
>
> It doesn't need any mighty CPU or Video, the only thing that it does is
> program Radios/Mikrotiks, and RDP into another machine.
>
> The only new machines I've found so far that fits this bill are the
> Lenovo Thinkpad line.  It looks like a current gen 11" Thinkpad is
> ~$700.  More than the $170 I paid for the Acer 5 years ago.  I also
> don't like that all the connections are on the sides of machines now,
> instead of the back.  When it's sitting on the truck console with things
> connected, that makes it a lot wider.  The Thinkpads also specify that
> they have an 'Anti-glare' Screen.  Would that make it easier or harder
> to see outside?
>
> Is there a brand or Type that I missed?  $700 for a field laptop is a
> little more than I'd like to spend for something that has to survive
> field work.  Although the $170 unit has worked just fine in these
> conditions for several years.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber end problem - dealing with SC

[Steve Jones]

if you want to get really ghetto and have a radio with SC port and a
compatible sub with ethernet you can do a link

On Sat, May 19, 2018 at 9:16 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> High level:  I need to turn these SC into copper ports.
>
> Right now I'm using an SC media converter and wanting to do another pair.
> It's going to be a week or longer to get another SC media converter.
>
> My next thought was to use some sort of SC to LC adapters - is there
> anything I can find at a store nearby that would work here (I'm near
> Dayton/Columbus/Cincinnati/Indy) and pick up tomorrow possibly?
>
> Any other ideas/suggestions?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> 
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] Any update on ePMP 3000 APs?

[Steve Jones]

Anybody know if they fixed the kabillion gps puck issues with this rev?

On Fri, May 18, 2018, 4:28 PM Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
wrote:

> Supposed to ship from Asia in mid-late August.  30+ days after that if
> they come by sea.  I’ve asked them to look at air shipments initially.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> CTIconnect
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>
> On May 18, 2018, at 4:30 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> Haven’t heard much about a revised expected time-frame on these.
>
>
>
> We have been trying to hold off instead of doing UBNT or Mimosa
>
>
>
> Painful in a couple areas
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

[Steve Jones]

Stephen King also.
My kids want to see it

On Fri, May 18, 2018, 8:00 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Ah the old Alfred Hitchcock ploy
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Fri, May 18, 2018, 6:56 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Deadpool2
>>
>> It was good.  Almost as good as the first one.  If you liked the first
>> one you will like this one too.
>> Pseudo cameo by Stan Lee was not obvious to me when watching.  I looked
>> it up.
>>
>> Now I want to see it again just so I can see if I can spot it.
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT f**king microsoft

[Steve Jones]

Use onedrive, less bulky, and Microsoft doesn't shut it off

On Sat, May 19, 2018, 9:53 AM Lewis Bergman  wrote:

> It also completely trashes RDP. I had to replace the new RDP exe and DLL
> files with older versions to get my programs to work.
>
> On Sat, May 19, 2018 at 9:45 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> File Stream sucks.  Tried it.
>> Backup N Sync is not going away.  But the conventional google drive
>> will.  You have two options, file stream or backup n sync.  Backup n sync
>> is almost identical to legacy google drive.
>>
>> *From:* Jesse Dupont
>> *Sent:* Saturday, May 19, 2018 7:10 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT f**king microsoft
>>
>> That’s going away anyway. You need to switch to Google‘s Drive File
>> Stream desktop client.
>>
>> --
>> *From:* Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown <
>> ch...@wbmfg.com>
>> *Sent:* Friday, May 18, 2018 7:34:15 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT f**king microsoft
>>
>> Latest windows update turns off Google Drive Sync!  Arrgh!
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AF11x

[Steve Jones]

youre talking abut crossing streams man. never cross the streams, you know
better than that

On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 3:36 PM,  wrote:

> Any way to make the V run in different frequencies?
>

Re: [AFMUG] OSPF Question

[Steve Jones]

That's odd, everything I ever touched is default type 1.

On Sun, May 13, 2018, 5:18 PM George Skorup 
wrote:

> The OSPF state machine always prefers an E1 route over an E2 route.
> There's more stuff like multiple areas and ABRs, ASBRs and all that which I
> don't really care about for a couple dozen routers and a single AS. But
> I've always used E1 for the default route. Don't ask me why. Mostly because
> I don't remember. But it was probably some MikroTik bug at some point.
>
> On 5/13/2018 4:53 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>
> So why is type 2 the default on most routers?  For what reason would you
> use an E2 over an E1?
>
> On May 13, 2018, at 17:40, Matt Hoppes 
> wrote:
>
> O. They are all going out as Metric-type 2
>
> On May 13, 2018, at 17:37, Matt Hoppes 
> wrote:
>
> Correct. A is distributing default route. Directly to C (in theory but not
> happening) and to B which is distributing to C currently.
>
> This is edgeOS.
>
> I’m actually not sure. I’ll have to check on E1 vs E2.
>
> On May 13, 2018, at 17:26, George Skorup  wrote:
>
> OK, so only A is distributing the default route. as-type-1 or as-type-2?
> E1 takes path costs into account. E2 does not.
>
> Bounce a neighbor and see if it fixes itself. I assume RouterOS. I've seen
> weird stuff like this happen before.
>
> On 5/13/2018 4:15 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>
> Only one - the Long one.
>
> The things connected to A take the direct path but the default is not
> coming through for some reason.
>
> On May 13, 2018, at 17:12, George Skorup  wrote:
>
> How many default routes show up in the LSA table?
>
> On 5/13/2018 3:51 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>
> OSPF question:
>
>
> A—-B—-C
>
> And
>
> A——C
>
>
> A is the Internet peering router.
>
>
> C should end up with two default routes in it correct?
>
>
> One through B and one directly to C?
>
>
> What’s odd is everything on A populated on Cs route table as direct routes
> - except for the default route.
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 24Ghz distance

[Steve Jones]

I wouldn't trust more than a mile and a half here.

On Sun, May 13, 2018, 9:10 PM Adair Winter 
wrote:

> We don't plan on 24Ghz being reliable much past 1 mile here. If we use it
> further than that it's because it's a back up or we have a back up for
> it.those that say you can use it in the 3-6 mile range reliably either live
> in the desert or don't know what they are talking about :)
>
> On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 8:37 PM Colin Stanners 
> wrote:
>
>> The ITU charts give a good bit of information - depending on what your
>> uptime rrquiments are, 24ghz is likely 2-3 miles.
>> On May 13, 2018 8:20 PM, "Andreas Wiatowski"  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It’s been a while since I’ve posted.  Wondering who has used the Mimosa
>>> 24Ghz product in a heavy rain zone.  What is your max distance? I really
>>> wish Cambium had a 24Ghz option!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
>>>
>>> Silo Wireless Inc.
>>>
>>> 1-866-727-4138 x-600
>>>
>>> http://silo.ca
>>>
>>> Wireless | Fibre | VoIP | PBX | IPTV
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Silo is a Proud Member of:
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>
>
> --
>
> Adair Winter
> VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
> Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071
> C: 806.231.7180
> http://www.amarillowireless.net
> 
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fixing fiberglass ladders

[Steve Jones]

Batavia is coming next week to inspect and quote the repairs. Resurfacing
is cheap, that's probably worth doing semiannual anyway if they sit atop a
truck in the sun.
They also repair ladder racks and he happens to be in my area doing rack
maintenance for a bigger company so he will have the parts on hand, I
didn't realize when I took over one of the standoffs was gone.
Fwiw it's free for them to come out. I'm pretty sure this is the outfit
that does our fire departments ladder inspections and testing

On Feb 17, 2018 12:18 PM, "Mark Radabaugh" <m...@amplex.net> wrote:

We have a company (Batavia Services Inc. http://www.laddermatters.com) that
comes by the shop once or twice a year (I think it’s every 6 months) and
inspects/repairs all of the ladders.

The ladder inspection / maintenance includes replacing any damaged or
broken parts, cleaning and waxing (keeps the fiberglas from deteriorating
and sticking fiberglas in your hands), and a written report saying they are
in good condition.   They can fix some fiberglas issues, though some are
just too far gone.

If they can’t be fixed (and there are a number of issues they can’t fix)
they let us know that the ladders need to be discarded.   On occasion they
have been able to shorten the ladder by cutting off a damaged section and
reinstalling the end caps.

Mark


On Feb 17, 2018, at 11:39 AM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

The ladder safety class that I took said that any damaged ladders should be
cut up into pieces before throwing them in the garbage.  That way, nobody
gets them out and attempts to repair them.

On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 8:12 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> That tape works really well, but I would never attempt to fix a fiberglass
> ladder unless it was a really minor non structural fix.  Like some
> splintered area.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Friday, February 16, 2018 9:25 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fixing fiberglass ladders
>
> I dont figure. Theres that black carbon fiber wrap, i thought about that.
> Not cause i think it will work but i want to check the tape out
>
> On Feb 16, 2018 9:08 PM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I wouldn’t touch them with a 35 1/2 foot pole.
>>
>> > On Feb 16, 2018, at 21:55, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Ive got two broken ladders from tech drops. Can you fix these safely?
>> Both tipped out the upper guides and popped through the fiberglass. I just
>> hate to toss 2 otherwise good ladders in the trash
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech rack mount surge suppressor with Medusa

[Steve Jones]

i vote MT radioactive tubes

On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 11:41 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> They are light sensitive if they are made out of glass.  Not so much with
> the ceramics.
> The mixture of gasses set the breakdown voltage.  The ones I use fire at
> about 90 volts.
>
> I remember working at sites where the gas tubes were filled with
> radioactive gases.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 9, 2018 10:23 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech rack mount surge suppressor with Medusa
>
> I thought it took hundreds of volts to trigger a gas tube.
>
> Aren't some of them light sensitive?  What if the APC chassis was near a
> window and getting direct sunlight?
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 5/9/2018 12:00:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech rack mount surge suppressor with Medusa
>
>
> Funny, the product is so simple.  Jacks.  Tubes.
>
> Electrodes with gas between them from the Ethernet lines to ground.
>
> The only way the tubes can affect the circuit is if they are ionized,
> which means a high voltage coming from somewhere.  could be coming from a
> ground loop or ???
>
> Or a tube could be bad, or there could be a solder bridge but the test and
> inspection procedure should have caught that.
>
>
> *From:* Sam Lambie
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 9, 2018 9:56 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech rack mount surge suppressor with Medusa
>
> FYI,
>
> I installed the gas tube version on a gigabit  Packetflux Powered Medusa
> the other week and no go. The radio boots up for about 25 seconds, and then
> shuts down.
>
> On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 9:54 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> I am going to chase this down.  Only certain types of products have the
>> issue it seems.
>> I am going to try to add solid state to the gas tubes using a different
>> design that eliminates the steering diodes.
>> Seems like the steering diodes are causing the problem in some
>> situations.
>>
>> *From:* George Skorup
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 9, 2018 9:50 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech rack mount surge suppressor with Medusa
>>
>> No diodes, just gas-tube for large surge event suppression. Obviously not
>> as much protection though. I'm seeing more CRC errors than I'm comfortable
>> with on the cards with diodes. Rev G is definitely better though. I've
>> broken the shield at various sites while testing to rule out any potential
>> ground loop issues. Ran on battery. Etc. It's weird. Noise or something, I
>> don't know.
>>
>> On 5/9/2018 10:32 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>
>> What's this gas tube product placement?
>> I want to see these
>>
>> On Wed, May 9, 2018, 9:51 AM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, yeah nothing fit well next to the thin pcbs.
>>>
>>> Odd, got some test results back from George yesterday.  Some types of
>>> equipment has CRC errors with some of our surge suppressors.  Trying to
>>> identify the bad combinations.  Good thing is that our gas tube only
>>> products seem to be flawless with everything that people have tried them
>>> on.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Matt
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 8:08 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech rack mount surge suppressor with Medusa
>>>
>>> Chuck,
>>>
>>> Like form factor of new arrestors much better.  Thicker PCB and RJ45
>>> not as tall.  They do not fit well next to your last thin pcb version
>>> though.  Did not care for the thin pcb and tall RJ45 at all.  Swapped
>>> out 4 PxP450i APC arrestors to these 17 hours ago.  So far flawless
>>> even at 1000base.  No errors at all.  This is with RackInjector,
>>> Cambium Sync and very long cat-5 runs.  Time will tell but looks good
>>> so far.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 10:29 AM,  <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>> > Matt,
>>> >
>>> > I sent you a note off-list.  I would like to send you the gas tube
>>> version
>>> > to see if that fixes the issue.
>>> >
>>> > Inquiring minds want to know...
>>> >
>>> > -Original Message- From: Matt
>>> > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 4:08 PM
>>> > To: af@afmug.com
>>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech rack mount surge suppressor with Medusa
>>> >
>>&

Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech rack mount surge suppressor with Medusa

[Steve Jones]

What's this gas tube product placement?
I want to see these

On Wed, May 9, 2018, 9:51 AM  wrote:

> Thanks, yeah nothing fit well next to the thin pcbs.
>
> Odd, got some test results back from George yesterday.  Some types of
> equipment has CRC errors with some of our surge suppressors.  Trying to
> identify the bad combinations.  Good thing is that our gas tube only
> products seem to be flawless with everything that people have tried them
> on.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Matt
> Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 8:08 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech rack mount surge suppressor with Medusa
>
> Chuck,
>
> Like form factor of new arrestors much better.  Thicker PCB and RJ45
> not as tall.  They do not fit well next to your last thin pcb version
> though.  Did not care for the thin pcb and tall RJ45 at all.  Swapped
> out 4 PxP450i APC arrestors to these 17 hours ago.  So far flawless
> even at 1000base.  No errors at all.  This is with RackInjector,
> Cambium Sync and very long cat-5 runs.  Time will tell but looks good
> so far.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 10:29 AM,   wrote:
> > Matt,
> >
> > I sent you a note off-list.  I would like to send you the gas tube
> version
> > to see if that fixes the issue.
> >
> > Inquiring minds want to know...
> >
> > -Original Message- From: Matt
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 4:08 PM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech rack mount surge suppressor with Medusa
> >
> >> OK, so grounds are related to the problem.
> >>
> >> There may be something unusual with timing pulses on the power that is
> >> causing the surge suppressor to fire.
> >> Forrest would know much more than I about that.
> >>
> >> I honestly don’t know if anyone has tried my product with a Medusa
> >> before.
> >> I have a 100% gas tube version that may solve the problem.
> >
> >
> > I am still having some troubles with PTP450i holding 1gbit ethernet
> > even with Cambium sync.  Not near as bad with Cambium Sync though.
> > Will these gas tube versions work any better?  Will they still keep
> > equipment safe?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech rack mount surge suppressor with Medusa

[Steve Jones]

Promises promises :)

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018, 7:44 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> Let me rephrase..to be more complete.
>
> There are some docs, they're hard to find.  They're also not very pretty
> and assume knowledge that some of our customers don't have.   This is what
> we're fixing.
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018, 6:39 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> Long story short, there are some docs but they're hard to find.  We're
>> fixing this.
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018, 5:08 PM Sam Lambie  wrote:
>>
>>> Ok I'll give it a shot as soon as I can. I wish there was some real
>>> documentation that came with them or at least a link to an updated user
>>> guide Or am I blind and I just stuck my foot in my mouth?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 4:43 PM, George Skorup >> > wrote:
>>>
 Open up the injector. The jumper positions are printed on the board.
 Top left I believe.

 The default is -4/5 +7/8 and PowerA input on all four ports. So if you
 just plugged it in without any jumper changes, then you're pretty much
 trying to put ~1.5A on a single pair (one pair positive, the other return).
 That's probably ungood.

 Jumper the other two pairs so you get -4/5 +7/8 -1/2 +3/6. Try the SS
 again and see if the port trips.

 On 3/26/2018 5:10 PM, Sam Lambie wrote:

 Well, since I don't have any spares of the  *PowerInjector Plus Sync -
 Gigabit Version,* I bought a couple as I have plans for other
 locations for Medusas. In the meantime, please tell me how to make sure
 that the jumpers are set correctly.

 On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 3:41 PM, Sam Lambie 
 wrote:

> GPS is not physically connected to input of SyncInjector now daisy
> chained from the other Syncinjectors, the AP is getting timing from 
> Syncbox
> jr via UGPS power setting on radio . Cat6 is 115' long.
> I didn't even know that jumpering was an option. I guess I have to
> RTFM for the jumper location on the syncinjector? Can you please point me
> to the manual? I have never been able to find any documentation on these
> things...
>
> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 12:10 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> Oh, and you have the injector jumpered for all 4 pairs?
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018, 12:09 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Is the sync pulse disabled or no gps receiver connected?
>>>
>>> How long of a wire?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018, 9:52 AM Sam Lambie 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Timing is being done on the Aux Port. Nothing going through the
 Power Port. I'll give the Gas tube version a shot if you got it.

 On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 9:37 AM,  wrote:

> OK, so grounds are related to the problem.
>
> There may be something unusual with timing pulses on the power
> that is causing the surge suppressor to fire.
> Forrest would know much more than I about that.
>
> I honestly don’t know if anyone has tried my product with a Medusa
> before.
> I have a 100% gas tube version that may solve the problem.
>
>
> *From:* Sam Lambie
> *Sent:* Monday, March 26, 2018 9:18 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech rack mount surge suppressor
> with Medusa
>
> I did pull it from the rack and let it float, no change, however,
> I didn't reboot it while the card was floating.
>
> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 3:15 PM,  wrote:
>
>> When this gets sent
>> Sorry you are having difficulty.
>>
>> I would pull it from the rack and see if the interruption of the
>> ground fixes the problem.
>>
>> The issue is either noise to/from the ground.
>> or
>> Transverse impulses getting clamped.  Could be something about
>> the new timing stuff that I don’t understand.
>> Forrest is probably better versed in thinking about this than I
>> am.
>>
>> Perhaps the server got launched by Elon Musk and the time delay
>> is just accumulating.
>>
>> *From:* Sam Lambie
>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 25, 2018 6:10 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] mccowntech rack mount surge suppressor with
>> Medusa
>>
>> Yo smart folks,
>>
>> I put a gige APC HV rack mount surge suppressor inline with a
>> Cambium Medusa today. It booted up, got in about 20 pings and then 
>> the
>> Packetflux SyncInjector 

Re: [AFMUG] GPS problems around 11:30 to 1:30 every night

[Steve Jones]

With mine being daylight times I was wondering about sun reflecting and
doing something odd like heating a puck causing some faulty connection to
separate, or some thermal thing

On Tue, May 8, 2018, 12:54 PM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
wrote:

> No resolution.
>
> I started graphing the epmp satellites visible and tracked.  Visible is
> always above 7 with an average of 12.44.  However the tracked dips down to
> 0 around 7-12 at night with an average of 6.93.
>
> So what would make the GPS puck see the satellites but not track them?
> Why would it matter what time of day?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 11:02 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> did you find any resolution? we are starting to see this between 2pm and
>> 6pm at different sites, but not all APs at the sites, only common thin is
>> theyre mounted on the east side, but have full 360 degree sky. switching to
>> internal fixes it, but internal is just generating sync isnt it? it takes
>> away the front/back option in the gui
>> EPMP is rock solid stuff, with the exception of puck issues
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 10:14 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> FWIW it's on the south side of a water tower.  There's little to no
>>> signal from the northern sky.
>>>
>>> Of course I'm pretty sure the tower isn't moving some weird way every
>>> night...
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
>>> Suite 1337
>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 6, 2018, 6:00 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just checking ours. I thought it happened once every month or two, but
>>>> I guess it's not even that often. The snapshot from the last 3 months
>>>> indicate that it got close to losing it in week 12, but it seems to have
>>>> lived through it, even though it got down to 3 satellites tracked.
>>>>
>>>> bp
>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 4/6/2018 2:48 PM, Brian Sullivan wrote:
>>>>
>>>> We have this at a couple sites each year.  Usually, I can mount the GPS
>>>> antenna in a different place and solve the issue.  Whats interesting is, I
>>>> don't see this issue with the SyncBoxes, only CMM Micro.  And I have both
>>>> at the same towers affected.
>>>>
>>>> On 4/6/2018 4:39 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>>>
>>>> We have a SyncInjector mounted on the south side of a concrete
>>>> building. The building is thick concrete ( > 12"),  and extends up above
>>>> the location of the GPS antenna 30 or 40 feet. The building is also a
>>>> shallow "V" shape with the GPS antenna at inside base of the V. So the GPS
>>>> antenna gets about 170° view of the sky to the south.
>>>>
>>>> It goes through a periodic cycle of visibility, but it's not the same
>>>> time every night, or even every day.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> bp
>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 4/6/2018 2:20 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>>>>
>>>> But the question is, why at the same time every day?   Especially since
>>>> the gps satellites don't orbit on a 24 hour period...   that's what has me
>>>> troubled with my customer.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Apr 6, 2018, 2:11 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Exposure to the north or south should not make a significant
>>>>> difference. GPS satellites, excepting the WAAS satellites, are not in
>>>>> geostationary orbits. They are (mostly?) in medium earth orbit of around
>>>>> 12,000 miles.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it may be more of how much of the sky they can see.
>>>>>
>>>>> bp
>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/6/2018 1:45 PM, Dave wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> how much exposure to the northern hemisphere does it have?
>>>>> If I remember those antennas are fairly small
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 04/06/2018 10:15 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I have an epmp that has GPS problems and goes into the hold timer for
>>>>> a few minutes every single night for the last many months (maybe even a
>>>>> year).
>>>>>
>>>>> Didn't think much of it until I noticed all of the times being right
>>>>> around midnight, give or take...
>>>>>
>>>>> WTF?  Any ideas what's causing it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+%0D%0A++Suite+1337+%0D%0A++Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] GPS problems around 11:30 to 1:30 every night

[Steve Jones]

did you find any resolution? we are starting to see this between 2pm and
6pm at different sites, but not all APs at the sites, only common thin is
theyre mounted on the east side, but have full 360 degree sky. switching to
internal fixes it, but internal is just generating sync isnt it? it takes
away the front/back option in the gui
EPMP is rock solid stuff, with the exception of puck issues

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 10:14 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> FWIW it's on the south side of a water tower.  There's little to no signal
> from the northern sky.
>
> Of course I'm pretty sure the tower isn't moving some weird way every
> night...
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> 
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>
> On Fri, Apr 6, 2018, 6:00 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> Just checking ours. I thought it happened once every month or two, but I
>> guess it's not even that often. The snapshot from the last 3 months
>> indicate that it got close to losing it in week 12, but it seems to have
>> lived through it, even though it got down to 3 satellites tracked.
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 4/6/2018 2:48 PM, Brian Sullivan wrote:
>>
>> We have this at a couple sites each year.  Usually, I can mount the GPS
>> antenna in a different place and solve the issue.  Whats interesting is, I
>> don't see this issue with the SyncBoxes, only CMM Micro.  And I have both
>> at the same towers affected.
>>
>> On 4/6/2018 4:39 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>
>> We have a SyncInjector mounted on the south side of a concrete building.
>> The building is thick concrete ( > 12"),  and extends up above the location
>> of the GPS antenna 30 or 40 feet. The building is also a shallow "V" shape
>> with the GPS antenna at inside base of the V. So the GPS antenna gets about
>> 170° view of the sky to the south.
>>
>> It goes through a periodic cycle of visibility, but it's not the same
>> time every night, or even every day.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 4/6/2018 2:20 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>>
>> But the question is, why at the same time every day?   Especially since
>> the gps satellites don't orbit on a 24 hour period...   that's what has me
>> troubled with my customer.
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 6, 2018, 2:11 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>>> Exposure to the north or south should not make a significant difference.
>>> GPS satellites, excepting the WAAS satellites, are not in geostationary
>>> orbits. They are (mostly?) in medium earth orbit of around 12,000 miles.
>>>
>>> I think it may be more of how much of the sky they can see.
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/6/2018 1:45 PM, Dave wrote:
>>>
>>> how much exposure to the northern hemisphere does it have?
>>> If I remember those antennas are fairly small
>>>
>>>
>>> On 04/06/2018 10:15 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>
>>> I have an epmp that has GPS problems and goes into the hold timer for a
>>> few minutes every single night for the last many months (maybe even a
>>> year).
>>>
>>> Didn't think much of it until I noticed all of the times being right
>>> around midnight, give or take...
>>>
>>> WTF?  Any ideas what's causing it?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> 
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Dual Pol Feed Horn

[Steve Jones]

feedhorn prices tends to be a little over half the cost of a new antenna on
quality antennas ive come to realize. price shock the first time we
replaced them, but it makes sense, without a feedhorn its just a useless
bowl with a hole

On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 7:10 PM, Colin Stanners  wrote:

> https://www.winncom.com/en/search?q=laird%20feed  if you have an account
> the prices are quite reasonable I think.
>
> On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 6:13 PM, Brian Sullivan 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm looking for a replacement of this type of 5GHz feed horn.  I had some
>> water ingress and the inside looks corroded.
>> Since this is the only part that is bad, i'd like to buy just this
>> piece.  Need 2 or 3 if possible.
>> I believe this is from a Laird/PacWireless brand dish.  Google has failed
>> me once again, I can't find any in-stock or that don't cost more than a new
>> dish.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] APC surge cards board size

[Steve Jones]

I cuss chuck by name everytime i put a new card in a new PRM

On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 12:02 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> There is nothing wrong with them, just feel a bit loose in the cage.
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Monday, May 07, 2018 10:16 AM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] APC surge cards board size
>
> I had some of those too... I got them from Streakwave, around March, I
> think (although it's possible those were ones I had sitting here for
> awhile, and I got different ones then... I don't know for certain).
>
> On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 11:12 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Odd, we have not made those thin cards since last summer and only for a
>> very short lived REV.
>> The jacks were so tall that even with the thin cards and removing some of
>> the jack shield there was still a danger of touching the adjacent card.  So
>> we went back to the older jacks.
>>
>> Wonder who you got them from as that is pretty old stock.  I will replace
>> them if you want.
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Monday, May 07, 2018 10:05 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] APC surge cards board size
>>
>> Did anyone else notice the newest cards are much thinner than the new
>> ones?  They slide in/out of the WBMFG APC case a whole lot easier.  We did
>> check a couple to make sure we had continuity from the shield to ground, so
>> at least it's making connection still.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> 
>> Suite 1337
>> 
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement Action

[Steve Jones]

And lends more credibility to the industry as a whole

On Wed, May 2, 2018, 9:47 AM Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:

> There's a bit more than four rules...
>
> In 5ghz alone, there's EIRP in UNII-1, UNII-2 and UNII-3, which are all
> different, then there's PtP vs PtMP.
> Then there are the registration requirements and EIRP limits in 3.65ghz,
> which 75% of operates seem to either have very little understanding of, or
> just plain ignore. Not to mention the fact that there are plenty of
> operators who don't even understand how to calculate EIRP properly... just
> the other day, I saw somebody on the Baicells facebook group that thought
> they could use a 10 watt 3.65ghz eNB in the US because a lawyer told them
> that they could use up to 25 watts...
>
> But the purpose of an audit would be to have somebody check over all your
> stuff and make sure that you actually have everything setup to conform to
> the rules - whether it be because of poor understanding of the rules, or
> just to check for mistakes, it would be a very useful service.
>
> On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 6:21 AM, Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
>> Why do you need an audit?  There are like 4 rules to follow.
>>
>> EIRP for:
>> 900mhz
>> 2.4GHz
>> 3.65GHz
>> 5GHz
>>
>> Add power plus antenna.
>>
>> On May 2, 2018, at 01:15, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> wanna get some interesting offlist hate mail? start naming names of
>> vendors who sell non US to the US market on the AFMUG list. they watch.
>> because theyre fucking scumbags.. I hope this operator gets fucked, and I
>> hope they ultimately seek out the vendor and nail them somehow as well. Im
>> dealing with some 3ghz nonsense right now, had to kill an AP today over it,
>> Ill almost guarantee the operator has a non US nanobridge up.I got one once
>> and when I started wondering, the vendor offlisted me, because they sold me
>> some nonsense. I do my best to operate legally, and if Im not sure I dont
>> operate or operate under power. You check my network, if you find something
>> out of whack its operator error (me, as in I messed up) not operator
>> dickheadedness. If WISPA were worth its salt they would offer a
>> "certification" like i mentioned many times previously, where they would
>> come in for an at cost audit. But sometimes I dont think WISPA is actually
>> interested in our industry actually looking "professional"
>>
>> On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 6:30 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I remember Sterling's find was originally $25K.  Not sure what he
>>> eventually settled at.
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2018 2:21 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement Action
>>>
>>> I'm pretty sure Microserv had a fine over a misconfigured Mikrotik.  I
>>> seem to think it was $25k, but my memory isn't perfect.
>>> I'd be surprised if these guys didn't get slapped though.
>>>
>>> -Adam
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "David Coudron" <david.coud...@advantenon.com>
>>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>>> Sent: 5/1/2018 4:17:27 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement Action
>>>
>>> At the bottom I think they said they will consider what, if any fines
>>>> will be levied.   At least that is the way I read it.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> David Coudron
>>>> david.coud...@advantenon.com  |  Mobile: 612-991-7474
>>>>
>>>> Advantenon, Inc.
>>>> i...@advantenon.com  |  3500 Vicksburg Lane N, Suite 315, Plymouth, MN
>>>> 55447
>>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=3500+Vicksburg+Lane+N,+Suite+315,+Plymouth,+MN+55447=gmail=g>
>>>> |  www.advantenon.com  |  Phone: 800-704-4720  |  Local: 612-454-1545
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2018 3:15 PM
>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement Action
>>>>
>>>> I noticed there was no fine mentioned.  Does that come later?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- Original Message --
>>>> From: "Seth Mattinen" <se...@rollernet.us>
>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>&g

Re: [AFMUG] OT Moviepass

[Steve Jones]

THIS LIST IS FOR WIRELESS STUFFS ONLY
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IF IT DOESNT STOP WITH THIS NOISE IM GOING TO DSLREPORTS!

On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 12:20 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller  wrote:

>
> Ah - haven't been asked to do that yet
>
> Sent from my smartphone
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "Cassidy B. Larson" 
> To: 
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT Moviepass
> Date: Tue, May 1, 2018 10:24 PM
>
> Gotta take a picture of the ticket stub now as proof you’re buying the
> right one.
>
> On May 1, 2018, at 8:38 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
> wrote:
>
>
> Saw that limitation of seeing only one time...not a deal breaker.
> Sucks...but not a deal breaker
>
> Plus why not tell MoviePass you're seeing a movie you have no desire to
> see and buy the ticket for the movie you want to see again
>
> They're just rules...right?
>
> Sent from my smartphone
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "Cassidy B. Larson" 
> To: 
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT Moviepass
> Date: Tue, May 1, 2018 8:20 PM
>
> Also can’t see movies more than once now. Blows.
>
> On May 1, 2018, at 18:48, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> Notice that new subscribers only get one movie per week now.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement Action

[Steve Jones]

wanna get some interesting offlist hate mail? start naming names of vendors
who sell non US to the US market on the AFMUG list. they watch. because
theyre fucking scumbags.. I hope this operator gets fucked, and I hope they
ultimately seek out the vendor and nail them somehow as well. Im dealing
with some 3ghz nonsense right now, had to kill an AP today over it, Ill
almost guarantee the operator has a non US nanobridge up.I got one once and
when I started wondering, the vendor offlisted me, because they sold me
some nonsense. I do my best to operate legally, and if Im not sure I dont
operate or operate under power. You check my network, if you find something
out of whack its operator error (me, as in I messed up) not operator
dickheadedness. If WISPA were worth its salt they would offer a
"certification" like i mentioned many times previously, where they would
come in for an at cost audit. But sometimes I dont think WISPA is actually
interested in our industry actually looking "professional"

On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 6:30 PM,  wrote:

> I remember Sterling's find was originally $25K.  Not sure what he
> eventually settled at.
>
> -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
> Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2018 2:21 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement Action
>
> I'm pretty sure Microserv had a fine over a misconfigured Mikrotik.  I
> seem to think it was $25k, but my memory isn't perfect.
> I'd be surprised if these guys didn't get slapped though.
>
> -Adam
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "David Coudron" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 5/1/2018 4:17:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement Action
>
> At the bottom I think they said they will consider what, if any fines will
>> be levied.   At least that is the way I read it.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> David Coudron
>> david.coud...@advantenon.com  |  Mobile: 612-991-7474
>>
>> Advantenon, Inc.
>> i...@advantenon.com  |  3500 Vicksburg Lane N, Suite 315, Plymouth, MN
>> 55447  |  www.advantenon.com  |  Phone: 800-704-4720  |  Local:
>> 612-454-1545
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2018 3:15 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement Action
>>
>> I noticed there was no fine mentioned.  Does that come later?
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Seth Mattinen" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 5/1/2018 2:08:56 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement Action
>>
>> On 5/1/18 10:51, Tim Hardy wrote:
>>>
 LV.NET ; LAS VEGAS, NEVADA �89104. ��Notice of
 Unlicensed Operation and Notification of Harmful Interference issued
 for interference complaint to FAA Terminal Doppler Weather Radar
 operating on 5645 MHz in Las Vegas, Nevada. Action by: �Regional
 Director, Region Three, Enforcement Bureau. Adopted: �04/27/2018 by
 Notice. �EB
 https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-350491A1.docx
 https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-350491A1.pdf

>>>
>>>
>>> Only an idiot would use a TDWR frequency anywhere near an airport with
>>> one. That's just challenging someone to come find you.
>>>
>>> Is that an DFS unlock code with updated sticker required model they
>>> were using, but didn't bother to actually put the new sticker on it?
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Smallest gauge shield to ground

[Steve Jones]

fyi, aside from form factor, whats pushing this (also, boss approved an MT
SS type cost) is that questionable ground planes stop sync from getting to
radios from packetflux power/syncinjectors if you bond shields under
certain circumstances up top If i float each cable through an SS that is
isolated (and ungrounded) up top, the bbdge gives me enough copper to get a
"ground" withough bonding to a common point or structure and losing sync
pulse, which is win/win since my contractors hate my cross connect, like
really hate, as in ill get billed more if they have to keep dicking with
them

On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 11:55 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> IIRC its surface area that matters, with heat tolerance, essentially if I
> meet the surface area of the BBDGE copper shield, anything beyond would be
> waste wouldnt it? like bonding 2 #10 with a #0 is still effectively #10?
> (without being a connector loss dick) Im not talking about bonding the lug
> to ground.
> looking to replace to attached with something like https://www.mccowntech.
> com/product/outdoor-towerwall-mount-8-circuit-ethernet-surge-protector/
> but the https://www.mccowntech.com/product/outdoor-towerwall-
> mount-8-circuit-ethernet-surge-protector/ i doubt is big enough for
> bbdge, looks more like a UBNT tough cable or apex 9 job
>
> On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 6:28 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> Yeah... hard to do though.  Any ground helps.  I used to do telco NIDS
>> (actually we called them protectors back then) with #12 or #14 back in the
>> day.  I think #10 for an Ethernet surge protector is adequate.  I know
>> various regulatory authorities etc want a #6 it just is not practical to do
>> for small devices.  They treat a small surge protector the same as a power
>> entrance ground.
>>
>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 1, 2018 11:39 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Smallest gauge shield to ground
>>
>> R56 Chapter 5.
>> https://sites.auburn.edu/admin/facilities/spw-bid-calendar/
>> 11-150%20AU%20Regional%20Airport-Construct%20a%20Self-Supporting%20Radio%
>> 20Tower/Project%20Documents/1/Motorola_R56_2005_manual.pdf
>>
>> ""
>> *Telecommunication cable metallic shields shall be bonded to the site’s
>> grounding electrode system as*
>> *described herein. Where outside facility telecommunication cables are
>> configured for a standard*
>> *entrance, the metallic members of all incoming telecommunication cables,
>> including paired-conductor*
>> *and optical fiber cable, shall be grounded (earthed) to the MGB, either
>> directly or through a SSGB at*
>> *the facility’s entrance point. Each metallic member shall be effectively
>> bonded to the grounding point*
>> *with a 16 mm2 csa (#6 AWG) or coarser green-jacketed grounding
>> conductor, or with a transmission*
>> *line ground kit, using bonding methods described within this chapter. *
>> ""
>>
>> So they say #6 AWG.
>>
>> I'm an unqualified rando on the internet, but I'd say if you grounded it
>> with anything at all then you did better than most.
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 5/1/2018 11:40:15 AM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Smallest gauge shield to ground
>>
>>
>> Whats the smallest gauge stranded ground i can use to bond bbdge copper
>> shield to the ground lug on surge suppressors? Ive been using #8 but it
>> gets cumbersome in a 12 port cross connect enclosure, i dont have footprint
>> for a larger enclosure and my contractors hate my design
>>
>>
>

[AFMUG] Smallest gauge shield to ground

[Steve Jones]

Whats the smallest gauge stranded ground i can use to bond bbdge copper
shield to the ground lug on surge suppressors? Ive been using #8 but it
gets cumbersome in a 12 port cross connect enclosure, i dont have footprint
for a larger enclosure and my contractors hate my design

Re: [AFMUG] drones

[Steve Jones]

If you operate a business from your home and send your drone up to check
your gutters for leaves, you need a license

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 6:12 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> So, I went and brushed up on the non-commerical rules just because I
> haven't paid much attention to them recently, and they seem to have changed
> a bit, probably partially due to the law which was passed a few months ago
> ...
>
> I agree 100%.  For non-commerical, everything I read indicates that within
> 5 miles of any airport/heliport you simply need to call the airport
> owner/tower/etc. to notify them of your operation. The under 400ft
> requirement seems to have largely been excised from the FCC website, even
> though I have a copy of paperwork that I agreed to back when I did my
> original drone registration which says that I agree to fly under 400 ft.
>
> But, the class at wisapalooza can be summarized in one line:
>
> "If you're using a drone for commercial purposes you need a license.
>  Inspecting a tower for a WISP you own or work for is going to almost
> certainly going to be a commercial purpose.   Go get a license, which will
> also teach you all of the rules you need to be following, which are
> different than the non-commercial rules."
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 4:35 PM, Matt Hoppes <mattlists@
> rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
>> Hobbyists do not get waivers. Commercial gets waivers.
>>
>> Hobbyists call the Tower.
>> Commercial just flies - with the waiver.
>>
>> Waivers are going away in favor of the instant authorization system
>> LAANC.
>>
>> Clearly we need a session on drones at wispapalooza.
>>
>> > On Apr 30, 2018, at 18:16, Robert Andrews <i...@avantwireless.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > 5 miles around an airport they certainly are.   And completely
>> prohibited without a waver..
>> >
>> >> On 04/30/2018 08:19 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>> >> Actually hobbyists are not limited to how high they can fly.
>> >>> On Apr 30, 2018, at 11:11, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>> li...@packetflux.com <mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:
>> >>> From my understanding so far, while the spirit of what you're saying
>> is true, it is more complicated than that.
>> >>>
>> >>> If you're flying as a hobbyist within 5 miles of any airport,
>> helipad, etc. (towered or not)  you need a FAA waiver.  In addition, you're
>> limited to 400ft, can't fly over certain areas, etc.   One really should
>> read up on and follow the rules, as they're not just there to irritate
>> drone users.
>> >>>
>> >>> If you have a commercial license then where you can fly is based on
>> the actual airspace classification instead of the five mile limit.  Much of
>> the knowledge needed for the test revolves around understanding how to know
>> where it is safe and legal to fly based on charts and observation.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 8:37 AM Robert <i...@avantwireless.com > i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>Also be aware that if you are within five miles of a towered
>> >>>airport you
>> >>>need FAA wavers for flight in that area.   I talked to a
>> >>>controller the
>> >>>other day and he was not kidding in any way, dead serious about
>> >>>prosecuting violators to the same level as they go after laser
>> >>>flashers.
>> >>>   Seems the FAA is on edge about the first aircraft to be brought
>> >>>down
>> >>>by a drone.   I thought it was a small probability but the FAA
>> >>>seems to
>> >>>think otherwise..
>> >>>
>> >>>On 4/30/18 7:17 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>> >>>> For those of you considering using a Drone for commercial
>> >>>purposes, be
>> >>>> aware you probably need a commercial drone license.  Like many
>> >>>other
>> >>>> things, you probably will never get caught if the flight is for
>> >>>internal
>> >>>> use, but the requirement still exists.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I'm currently slowly working on getting mine for various
>> >>>reasons.  Have
>> >>>> been enjoying learning a bit more about our aeronautics system
>&

Re: [AFMUG] drones

[Steve Jones]

we have a pretty nice drone, i havent even touched the case, The license is
relatively cheap and the class is dolt proof, just finding the time
That and not wanting to have a gust trash the companies drone

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 5:35 PM, Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> Hobbyists do not get waivers. Commercial gets waivers.
>
> Hobbyists call the Tower.
> Commercial just flies - with the waiver.
>
> Waivers are going away in favor of the instant authorization system LAANC.
>
> Clearly we need a session on drones at wispapalooza.
>
> > On Apr 30, 2018, at 18:16, Robert Andrews <i...@avantwireless.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > 5 miles around an airport they certainly are.   And completely
> prohibited without a waver..
> >
> >> On 04/30/2018 08:19 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> >> Actually hobbyists are not limited to how high they can fly.
> >>> On Apr 30, 2018, at 11:11, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com <mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:
> >>> From my understanding so far, while the spirit of what you're saying
> is true, it is more complicated than that.
> >>>
> >>> If you're flying as a hobbyist within 5 miles of any airport, helipad,
> etc. (towered or not)  you need a FAA waiver.  In addition, you're limited
> to 400ft, can't fly over certain areas, etc.   One really should read up on
> and follow the rules, as they're not just there to irritate drone users.
> >>>
> >>> If you have a commercial license then where you can fly is based on
> the actual airspace classification instead of the five mile limit.  Much of
> the knowledge needed for the test revolves around understanding how to know
> where it is safe and legal to fly based on charts and observation.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 8:37 AM Robert <i...@avantwireless.com  i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>Also be aware that if you are within five miles of a towered
> >>>airport you
> >>>need FAA wavers for flight in that area.   I talked to a
> >>>controller the
> >>>other day and he was not kidding in any way, dead serious about
> >>>prosecuting violators to the same level as they go after laser
> >>>flashers.
> >>>   Seems the FAA is on edge about the first aircraft to be brought
> >>>down
> >>>by a drone.   I thought it was a small probability but the FAA
> >>>seems to
> >>>think otherwise..
> >>>
> >>>On 4/30/18 7:17 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
> >>>> For those of you considering using a Drone for commercial
> >>>purposes, be
> >>>> aware you probably need a commercial drone license.  Like many
> >>>other
> >>>> things, you probably will never get caught if the flight is for
> >>>internal
> >>>> use, but the requirement still exists.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm currently slowly working on getting mine for various
> >>>reasons.  Have
> >>>> been enjoying learning a bit more about our aeronautics system
> >>>in the
> >>>> USA.  So far it doesn't seem like it's that difficult.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 7:13 AM Dave <dmilho...@wletc.com
> >>><mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>
> >>>> <mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com <mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> We are in the market for one now.
> >>>>
> >>>> I was looking at the welds and mounting of that ring to hold
> all
> >>>> that gear. I like overkill for structural integrity. I would
> >>>have more
> >>>> larger feet bolted to the tank on all angles.
> >>>> Just thinking about my poor tower guys cursing me after they
> >>>> discover what they are hooked on to.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 04/30/2018 12:14 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
> >>>>> my contractor shot some drone pics on a site. other than
> >>>the uber
> >>>>> sloppy cable this doesnt look as terrible as it is. will
> >>>rebuild
> >>>>> it, but the drone footage and pics is crazy useful, the
> >>>external
> >>>>> perspective really helps getting an overall. i highly
> recommend
> >>>>> getting drone shots
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>>
> >>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] drones

[Steve Jones]

its a relatively cheap license, and there are a bunch of flight apps to
ensure youre flying lawful, some drones even incorporate it

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 1:02 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> Hmm learn something everyday.
>
> Apparently there is a disconnect between what the faa has been telling
> people (below 400ft), and what the law says.
>
> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 9:19 AM Matt Hoppes <mattlists@
> rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
>> Actually hobbyists are not limited to how high they can fly.
>>
>> On Apr 30, 2018, at 11:11, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>
>> From my understanding so far, while the spirit of what you're saying is
>> true, it is more complicated than that.
>>
>> If you're flying as a hobbyist within 5 miles of any airport, helipad,
>> etc. (towered or not)  you need a FAA waiver.  In addition, you're limited
>> to 400ft, can't fly over certain areas, etc.   One really should read up on
>> and follow the rules, as they're not just there to irritate drone users.
>>
>> If you have a commercial license then where you can fly is based on the
>> actual airspace classification instead of the five mile limit.  Much of the
>> knowledge needed for the test revolves around understanding how to know
>> where it is safe and legal to fly based on charts and observation.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 8:37 AM Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Also be aware that if you are within five miles of a towered airport you
>>> need FAA wavers for flight in that area.   I talked to a controller the
>>> other day and he was not kidding in any way, dead serious about
>>> prosecuting violators to the same level as they go after laser flashers.
>>>Seems the FAA is on edge about the first aircraft to be brought down
>>> by a drone.   I thought it was a small probability but the FAA seems to
>>> think otherwise..
>>>
>>> On 4/30/18 7:17 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>>> > For those of you considering using a Drone for commercial purposes, be
>>> > aware you probably need a commercial drone license.  Like many other
>>> > things, you probably will never get caught if the flight is for
>>> internal
>>> > use, but the requirement still exists.
>>> >
>>> > I'm currently slowly working on getting mine for various reasons.
>>> Have
>>> > been enjoying learning a bit more about our aeronautics system in the
>>> > USA.  So far it doesn't seem like it's that difficult.
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 7:13 AM Dave <dmilho...@wletc.com
>>> > <mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > We are in the market for one now.
>>> >
>>> > I was looking at the welds and mounting of that ring to hold all
>>> > that gear. I like overkill for structural integrity. I would have
>>> more
>>> > larger feet bolted to the tank on all angles.
>>> > Just thinking about my poor tower guys cursing me after they
>>> > discover what they are hooked on to.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 04/30/2018 12:14 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>> >> my contractor shot some drone pics on a site. other than the uber
>>> >> sloppy cable this doesnt look as terrible as it is. will rebuild
>>> >> it, but the drone footage and pics is crazy useful, the external
>>> >> perspective really helps getting an overall. i highly recommend
>>> >> getting drone shots
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> >
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Packetflux Powerinjector

[Steve Jones]

IIRC the issues are connected if the surge suppressors are in line. I dont
recall if the ones we had that were rebooting were resolved with just the
port speed or bypassing.
Using 48 v makes sure the EPMP doesnt freeze, they will with the 24, and if
its long runs the power drop may be an issue too

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 12:42 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
wrote:

> No ethernet problems - it's POWER.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
> Suite 1337
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
> Troy, OH 45373
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
>
> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 1:35 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> If you have the old MT surge suppressors with EPMP there was an issue
>> with this and negotiation. I believe current revisions have resolved it.
>> Also, if you are only running 20mhz channels you dont need gigabit
>> connectivity, so you can lock ports to 100mbps to help
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 12:16 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I've got two of these with problems: http://store.packetf
>>> lux.com/powerinjector-plus-sync-gigabit-version/
>>>
>>> However one of these gives me no problems: http://store.packetf
>>> lux.com/sitemonitor-4-channel-gigabit-poe-injector-controller/
>>>
>>> I have a 24vdc plant going up the tower.  In the box it feeds these
>>> three Packetflux units.  The 4 channel POE injector has given me 0 problems.
>>>
>>> I've got Cambium ePMP on the PowerInjector and it has been randomly?
>>> rebooting units for several months.  Yesterday one of the ports just
>>> decided to turn off for 20 minutes and come right back.  We've replaced the
>>> line & radio to make sure it's the box, but all signs point to it.
>>>
>>> Has anyone else seen this or am I lucky in getting the only two units
>>> with power problems on them?  AFAIK sync has been just as reliable as the
>>> power through them.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
>>> Suite 1337
>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Packetflux Powerinjector

[Steve Jones]

If you have the old MT surge suppressors with EPMP there was an issue with
this and negotiation. I believe current revisions have resolved it. Also,
if you are only running 20mhz channels you dont need gigabit connectivity,
so you can lock ports to 100mbps to help

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 12:16 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> I've got two of these with problems: http://store.
> packetflux.com/powerinjector-plus-sync-gigabit-version/
>
> However one of these gives me no problems: http://store.
> packetflux.com/sitemonitor-4-channel-gigabit-poe-injector-controller/
>
> I have a 24vdc plant going up the tower.  In the box it feeds these three
> Packetflux units.  The 4 channel POE injector has given me 0 problems.
>
> I've got Cambium ePMP on the PowerInjector and it has been randomly?
> rebooting units for several months.  Yesterday one of the ports just
> decided to turn off for 20 minutes and come right back.  We've replaced the
> line & radio to make sure it's the box, but all signs point to it.
>
> Has anyone else seen this or am I lucky in getting the only two units with
> power problems on them?  AFAIK sync has been just as reliable as the power
> through them.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> 
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] Provider billing

[Steve Jones]

Is this a recent rise aquisition?

On Sat, Apr 28, 2018, 9:38 PM Lewis Bergman  wrote:

> I don't understand how charging a made up fee like the "carrier recovery
> fee" as you state it is legal. They are charging that "below the line" and
> not taxing it. I think I would take that up with them, find out what it is
> for, and why it is exempt from your state taxes. With a bill like that I am
> surprised they include anything with the base price. They seem to be
> struggling with the light and dark side within. Charging absorbent fees for
> some things and including other things in the base charge.
>
> On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 11:47 AM Travis Johnson  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I just received a new billing statement from my ISP, and I was shocked.
>> Attached is the actual bill, but here are a few facts:
>>
>> (1) They "automatically" added their "PC Care Support" service.
>> (2) They are charging a "Carrier Recovery Fee", which is just profit.
>> (3) Their pricing is crazy... $89.95/month for up to 20Mbps (and
>> $69.96/month for up to 10Mbps).
>> (4) Static IP address is $20/month.
>>
>> It's really too bad these guys have become just as bad as every other
>> telco in the country... people use them because they don't have any
>> other choice, not because they want to.
>>
>> Travis
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] After Hours Tech Support

[Steve Jones]

At 10 pm? Your 24x7 payroll has to be insane

On Fri, Apr 27, 2018, 5:24 PM Matt Hoppes 
wrote:

> Except it’s a $0 cost of acquisition when done in house.
>
> The phone person was already there and can be doing other things while
> talking to the customer.
>
> And I’ve yet to have out of house have the same quality as in house.
>
> On Apr 27, 2018, at 17:44, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> I get single digits and all of my calls 24/7 go to SP. Darin gets one a
> month. Someone needs to stop putting Matt's number on bathroom stalls or
> Matt needs to be happy people are calling to order service. A $7 (his
> number) cost of acquisition is great.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Seth Mattinen" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, April 27, 2018 4:42:51 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] After Hours Tech Support
>
> On 4/27/18 14:41, Mike Hammett wrote:
> > Then I wouldn't worry about it.
>
> I think he's saying adding all the non-legit calls would exceed the
> monthly minimum and he doesn't want to pay for those?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] After Hours Tech Support

[Steve Jones]

youre getting 72 of those calls a day? you might want to start training
your customers


On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 3:23 PM, Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> Here's another $7 that would have gone down the drain... just got this
> call:
>
> "Is my Internet on?   I can't make phone calls with my phone and it wasn't
> working on the WiFi at work today".
>
> Um, that has absolutely nothing to do with your Internet through us,
> you'll need to contact StraightTalk.  Your modem and router are up and
> on-line.
>
> On 4/27/18 4:18 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
>> I pay ServerPlus to do it for me. Easy Peasy.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> > telligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>> company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> > com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> 
>> *From: *"Matt" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, April 25, 2018 6:39:31 PM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] After Hours Tech Support
>>
>> How or what do you pay an employee to either answer phone calls or
>> return voicemails after hours or on weekends?
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] BGP whats this?

[Steve Jones]

My BGP_OUT filer is default discard and 4 /24 accept filters

Our other provider router isnt having this issue and has essentially the
same configuration



On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 2:46 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

> Are you sending them more than you intend? You could be tripping THEIR
> prefix limit.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *"Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, April 27, 2018 2:41:26 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] BGP whats this?
>
> I did google that, but still didnt understand it.
> we get roughly 685k prefixes on each of the instances
> I couldnt find any hard upper limit on this ccr1072
>
> The overall CPU load tends to be around 1% with cpu 38 pegging, im
> assuming thats the one handling BGP
>
> On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 2:18 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> http://bfy.tw/HsEr
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>>
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Colin Stanners" <cstann...@gmail.com>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Friday, April 27, 2018 1:45:43 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] BGP whats this?
>>
>> I would be concerned, likely they're having an issue with their BGP
>> server or the network connection to you.
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 12:02 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> These are new messages, the blacked out IP is our peer on this router.
>>> Is this something I need to be concerned about? red messages make me nervous
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] BGP whats this?

[Steve Jones]

I did google that, but still didnt understand it.
we get roughly 685k prefixes on each of the instances
I couldnt find any hard upper limit on this ccr1072

The overall CPU load tends to be around 1% with cpu 38 pegging, im assuming
thats the one handling BGP

On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 2:18 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net>
wrote:

>
> http://bfy.tw/HsEr
>
>
> Regards
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Colin Stanners" <cstann...@gmail.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, April 27, 2018 1:45:43 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] BGP whats this?
>
> I would be concerned, likely they're having an issue with their BGP server
> or the network connection to you.
>
> On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 12:02 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> These are new messages, the blacked out IP is our peer on this router. Is
>> this something I need to be concerned about? red messages make me nervous
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PTP650, PTP550, NLOS

[Steve Jones]

calling for total and complete shutdown of n's entering the United States

On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 12:54 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Doesn't much matter.  We don't like n's of any size.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 4/27/2018 1:28:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP650, PTP550, NLOS
>
> Interesting, I didn’t now little “n” had a definition.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 25, 2018 9:45 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PTP650, PTP550, NLOS
>
> They claim nLOS not NLOS. To cambium,  1/16 fresnel impact is nLOS
>
> On Wed, Apr 25, 2018, 5:52 PM Christopher Gray <cg...@graytechsoftware.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I'm definitely not expecting Cambium to go through a forest in 5 GHz...
>> but they specifically claim NLOS capability.
>>
>> I have several NLOS 5 GHz links going through leaves at very short ranges
>> that are relatively stable (all ePMP). I'm just curious about what makes
>> them claim their NLOS is better.
>>
>> I'll look into the subcarries as Stanners suggested.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 4:13 PM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> NLOS "magic" in 5ghz?  Don't hold your breath, man.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 4:10 PM, Christopher Gray <
>>> cg...@graytechsoftware.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've been told the PTP650 (and 670) have some sort of magic that helps
>>>> with NLOS links. I've always assume this was a result of the custom
>>>> chipset. Do these radios actually perform better than others in similar
>>>> signal NLOS environments?
>>>>
>>>> The PTP550 is based on a WiFi chipset... does it have any of the NLOS
>>>> magic?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In NLOS situations, would the PTP650 / PTP550 be expected to
>>>> significantly outperform the airFiber-X hardware?
>>>>
>>>> Thank you - Chris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PTP650, PTP550, NLOS

[Steve Jones]

n=near N=Non

I believe it was cambium (motorola at the time) that pointed out this sexy
marketing trick

On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 12:28 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Interesting, I didn’t now little “n” had a definition.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 25, 2018 9:45 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PTP650, PTP550, NLOS
>
> They claim nLOS not NLOS. To cambium,  1/16 fresnel impact is nLOS
>
> On Wed, Apr 25, 2018, 5:52 PM Christopher Gray <cg...@graytechsoftware.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I'm definitely not expecting Cambium to go through a forest in 5 GHz...
>> but they specifically claim NLOS capability.
>>
>> I have several NLOS 5 GHz links going through leaves at very short ranges
>> that are relatively stable (all ePMP). I'm just curious about what makes
>> them claim their NLOS is better.
>>
>> I'll look into the subcarries as Stanners suggested.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 4:13 PM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> NLOS "magic" in 5ghz?  Don't hold your breath, man.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 4:10 PM, Christopher Gray <
>>> cg...@graytechsoftware.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've been told the PTP650 (and 670) have some sort of magic that helps
>>>> with NLOS links. I've always assume this was a result of the custom
>>>> chipset. Do these radios actually perform better than others in similar
>>>> signal NLOS environments?
>>>>
>>>> The PTP550 is based on a WiFi chipset... does it have any of the NLOS
>>>> magic?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In NLOS situations, would the PTP650 / PTP550 be expected to
>>>> significantly outperform the airFiber-X hardware?
>>>>
>>>> Thank you - Chris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Alignment tips for AF11Fx

[Steve Jones]

Ive found with most UBNT gear, the best way to align them is to align them
with a dumpster and put them there. Ive had zero issues with any of the
UBNT gear Ive aligned with this method

On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 12:06 PM, Jeremy  wrote:

> Definitely link them on the bench first.  We did not have any issues
> linking them up
>
> On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 6:29 PM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> Nothing at all on the other side, or just weak? If it's not showing
>> anything at all, it must not actually be linking, in which case it could be
>> something configured wrong... like maybe a type in the key, or one of the
>> frequencies is entered wrong.
>>
>> If all the config matches, the first thing I'd check would be the
>> duplexor... but it sounds like you're already checking that.
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 6:44 PM, Jaime Solorza > > wrote:
>>
>>> so we got a -53dBm  on one end and nothing on the other end?  aligned
>>> and realignedhaving the other side check duplexor is 4 and 2 on their
>>> side because its 2 and 4 on my side
>>> i downloaded the manual...guess I will have to read it... this is a 9.3
>>> mile linkI have aligned 11GHz up to 23 miles but with voltmeter on 110
>>> ft tower was easier.
>>> Help Mr. wizard
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>> Wireless Systems Architect
>>> 915-861-1390
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 22, 2018 at 8:55 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>
 Oh yeah sorry.  Mimosa has that feature and the OP was about the UBNT
 radio.

 My bad

 On Sun, Apr 22, 2018 at 6:24 PM Adair Winter <
 ada...@amarillowireless.net> wrote:

> Exactly.
>
> On Sun, Apr 22, 2018, 8:22 PM Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> Umm... No.
>> That's the Mimosa B11 that has that feature, as well as the newer
>> Ubuntu 5ghz AC radios, but as far as I know, the af11 has nothing of the
>> sort.
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 22, 2018, 8:09 PM Adair Winter <
>> ada...@amarillowireless.net> wrote:
>>
> They do? That's news to me.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 22, 2018, 6:50 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>
>> The units have a 2.4ghz Wi-Fi convection for configuring and aiming.
 You’ll probably want to turn it off when you are done.

 -Sean


 On Sun, Apr 22, 2018 at 1:08 PM Jaime Solorza <
 losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> So no voltmeter alignment option on AirFiber 11FX?   That's how I
> align Dragonwave, Siklu and Bridgewave. ...going to have to set up 
> WiFi
> hotspots at two locations and use tablet on two towers to align
> antennasno other equipment there presently
>
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Sun, Apr 22, 2018, 1:37 PM Jaime Solorza <
> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> We reserved bobcat with 2 ft. scoop and
>> arranged for cement trucks to pour concrete in tower base pits
>> week before we went to Artesia for last Mobday.  Ended with this and 
>> cement
>> mixer since no trucks available!!! So instead of two tower base 
>> erections
>> on Monday, we did second one on Tuesday!!!
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 22, 2018, 11:37 AM Jaime Solorza <
>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Blew my hair off along with hard hat.
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 22, 2018, 11:31 AM Bill Prince 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Good for both of you! I've been on towers when the wind gets
 too high,
 and it is more dangerous than you tend to think. Everything,
 and I mean
 everything, gets more difficult.


 bp
 

 On 4/22/2018 9:49 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
 > Ok...I will do that when we go back...winds will be up to
 20mph all
 > week...at 25 they get us off the roof and my Comtrain
 certified
 > assistant refused to let me climb
 >
 > Jaime Solorza

>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Test

[Steve Jones]

FBI seized it. Turns out MTOW was not a mount, it was code for TOW
missiles. It explains alot about radios flying off towers though. Yup, ol
chuck it turns out is an arms dealer

On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 12:06 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Is the list just slow or down? Haven't seen anything since last night.

[AFMUG] BGP whats this?

[Steve Jones]

These are new messages, the blacked out IP is our peer on this router. Is
this something I need to be concerned about? red messages make me nervous

Re: [AFMUG] PTP650, PTP550, NLOS

[Steve Jones]

They claim nLOS not NLOS. To cambium,  1/16 fresnel impact is nLOS

On Wed, Apr 25, 2018, 5:52 PM Christopher Gray 
wrote:

> I'm definitely not expecting Cambium to go through a forest in 5 GHz...
> but they specifically claim NLOS capability.
>
> I have several NLOS 5 GHz links going through leaves at very short ranges
> that are relatively stable (all ePMP). I'm just curious about what makes
> them claim their NLOS is better.
>
> I'll look into the subcarries as Stanners suggested.
>
>
>
> --
>
> On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 4:13 PM, Josh Baird  wrote:
>
>> NLOS "magic" in 5ghz?  Don't hold your breath, man.
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 4:10 PM, Christopher Gray <
>> cg...@graytechsoftware.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I've been told the PTP650 (and 670) have some sort of magic that helps
>>> with NLOS links. I've always assume this was a result of the custom
>>> chipset. Do these radios actually perform better than others in similar
>>> signal NLOS environments?
>>>
>>> The PTP550 is based on a WiFi chipset... does it have any of the NLOS
>>> magic?
>>>
>>>
>>> In NLOS situations, would the PTP650 / PTP550 be expected to
>>> significantly outperform the airFiber-X hardware?
>>>
>>> Thank you - Chris
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] After Hours Tech Support

[Steve Jones]

Odd your customers never have questions unrelated to your service hoppes.

Anyhow in real life, what alternatives are there to serverplus that are
similar in scope and cost? Funny this thread showed up considering was
coming here to ask the specific question.

OP, if youre looking for some input on certain outsourced callcenter, i
have some offlist advice.


On Wed, Apr 25, 2018, 7:21 PM Matt Hoppes 
wrote:

> We don’t. We keep the network and customers running well enough there
> really aren’t many support calls in general - let alone at night.
>
> > On Apr 25, 2018, at 19:39, Matt  wrote:
> >
> > How or what do you pay an employee to either answer phone calls or
> > return voicemails after hours or on weekends?
>

Re: [AFMUG] PTP650, PTP550, NLOS

[Steve Jones]

No ptp650 magic sauce like you may be expecting. It performs exactly as
ptp3/500 did in regard to that. Like anything you can get "nLOS" but you
pay for it with capacity/reliability
turning dual payload off gets you "sauce" at the expense of half your
capacity,  and IIRC theres another setting regarding throughput vs
stability. 5ghz is 5ghz in this context. you can barely penetrate a fart,
tree leaves are out of the question

On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 3:16 PM, C Stanners  wrote:

> Orthogon-based PTP650/670 have something like 256/512 subcarriers which
> helps NLOS. I think AF5X has 1 and AF5XHD has 8 subcarriers?
>
> On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 3:10 PM, Christopher Gray <
> cg...@graytechsoftware.com> wrote:
>
>> I've been told the PTP650 (and 670) have some sort of magic that helps
>> with NLOS links. I've always assume this was a result of the custom
>> chipset. Do these radios actually perform better than others in similar
>> signal NLOS environments?
>>
>> The PTP550 is based on a WiFi chipset... does it have any of the NLOS
>> magic?
>>
>>
>> In NLOS situations, would the PTP650 / PTP550 be expected to
>> significantly outperform the airFiber-X hardware?
>>
>> Thank you - Chris
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Patch Design

[Steve Jones]

oh my!

On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 2:54 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Well someone has to do the sewing
>
>
>
> (will I ever learn NOT to say these things...)
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Monday, April 23, 2018 1:51 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Patch Design
>
> Yes.  The more the better.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 4/23/2018 3:39:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Patch Design
>
>
> We gonna let girls join?
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Monday, April 23, 2018 1:37 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Patch Design
>
> Daisy Petals
>
> https://www.girlscouts.org/content/dam/girlscouts-gsusa/
> forms-and-documents/our-program/insignia-list/what_daisies_do.pdf
>
> Not a flower though. A base level training patch could be a shield shape
> (or whatever) and you add specific skills onto the shield.  Trainers or
> supervisors get a chevron.
>
> Now it's Fiber Scouts of America.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 4/23/2018 2:34:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Patch Design
>
>
> Have you thought of stripes?  If you have too many categories chevron
> stripes will help conserve space.
>
> *From:* Ben Royer
> *Sent:* Monday, April 23, 2018 12:27 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Patch Design
>
> Haha, Thanks guys, yeah I’m planning on expanding on the patches more,
> something for like safe driver, or years of service, or other things.  I
> could see some pretty funny demoralizing patches too.. World’s Okayest
> Technician lol.
>
> Thank you,
> Ben Royer, Operations Manager
> Royell Communications, Inc.
> 217-965-3699 www.royell.net
>
> *From:* Jay Weekley
> *Sent:* Monday, April 23, 2018 10:53 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Patch Design
>
> "Sometimes the best solution to morale problems is just to fire all of
> the unhappy people."
>
> https://despair.com/collections/demotivators/products/demotivation
> <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fdespair.com%2fcollections%2fdemotivators%2fproducts%2fdemotivation=E,1,k61tHqYjGMyFVk4-Utnxgca0sn3igcgBb4CGgGJP3tE1udUIPLUsemhJfP5Ov4AbjHPvh_iCNVSiYdYNBQkqXifcgXme1CiQ970_1gWWwbc,=1>
>
> Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> "Certified Morale Improvement Specialist"
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 4/23/2018 11:28:06 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Patch Design
>
>
> The only morale boosting patch you need is one that says "The beatings
> will continue until morale improves"
>
> On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 10:21 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> That's a great idea.
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Ben Royer" <operati...@royell.net>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 4/23/2018 10:58:10 AM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Patch Design
>>
>>
>> Just thought I’d share a little design I came up with for my climbers.
>> Found a place to make them fairly cheap for morale patches they can earn.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Ben Royer, Operations Manager
>> Royell Communications, Inc.
>> 217-965-3699 www.royell.net
>> <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2fwww.royell.net=E,1,Vk_jYTrzxtTsx-r4-5PPDT018xUTUO0Fw0kUChF2fHb2eKL9qi6v4x5DfW1RIma4fJOyUOmfbyoE5i5wzxOBer_TqxjLoP0rVv8Yzs2nPp6TrYvMdPPUuO4,=1>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient>
>  Virus-free.
> www.avg.com
> <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient>
>
>
> --
> *Jay Weekley*
>
> *Cyber Broadband *
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Patch Design

[Steve Jones]

The only morale boosting patch you need is one that says "The beatings will
continue until morale improves"

On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 10:21 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> That's a great idea.
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Ben Royer" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 4/23/2018 10:58:10 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Patch Design
>
> Just thought I’d share a little design I came up with for my climbers.
> Found a place to make them fairly cheap for morale patches they can earn.
>
> Thank you,
> Ben Royer, Operations Manager
> Royell Communications, Inc.
> 217-965-3699 www.royell.net
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Facebook non-users

[Steve Jones]

yep, we put it out there and leave breadcrumbs to find what we thought we
hid

On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 3:56 PM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:

> All the tracking cookies from sites know who you are and there are
> profiles that FB, google and many others have on you.
>
> Do you use your phone number at he grocery store for the discounts?  Well
> that number can be cross referenced to a lot of other data about you freely
> available on the web.
>
> https://www.zdnet.com/article/data-firm-leaks-48-million-
> user-profiles-it-scraped-from-facebook-linkedin-others/
>
> The web knows all about you!
>
> Sean
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 1:47 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> But if I've never logged in, there would be no userid, no passwords.
>>
>> --
>> bp
>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> yeah, if you collected the passwords used, even incorrect usernames, you
>>> can get alot of info. Other than fatfingering, people try every password
>>> they use for anything
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 3:25 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Failed logins" are also something Facebook collects.
>>>>
>>>> There is a previous lawsuit where Zuck "hacked" some reporters emails
>>>> via using their failed login credentials to log into their email on record
>>>> to monitor a story against him/Facebook. (Story was about 7 years ago.)
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2018, 3:10 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Those people searches use the massive databases
>>>>> your IP is know, with location
>>>>> scouring public web data, maybe you posted to amfug, your IP may be
>>>>> present in an archive with your email address in a header
>>>>> youre email was registered at such and such
>>>>> etc
>>>>> big data on its own is invasive, thats without even accepting TOS
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 3:02 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> They can for sure collect anonymous data even if you don't have an
>>>>>> account.
>>>>>> The IP for my house geocodes exactly to my house, that correlated
>>>>>> with other public records could be used to identify me even if I didn't
>>>>>> have a Facebook account.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hypothetically of course.  I have no idea what they really do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- Original Message --
>>>>>> From: "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>>>> Sent: 4/19/2018 3:59:39 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Facebook non-users
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think "how is that done" "what is collected" "did I approve this"
>>>>>> are all questions that will only ever be answered by future subpoenas.
>>>>>> I would bet if using chrome to visit facebook, you share more than
>>>>>> youd prefer, google also has you accept a TOS
>>>>>> FB and google are thick as thieves
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 2:55 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How is that done? I do not have a FB account at all. Sure I have
>>>>>>> occasionally viewed a FB page from someone, but I've never logged into 
>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>> of their services. I stay as far away as possible. I don't twitter 
>>>>>>> either.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> bp
>>>>>>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 12:47 PM, Steve Jones <
>>>>>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> yes you are, and he skirted that specific question may times
>>>>>>>> because of the liability in doing that without you having agreed to 
>>>>>>>> the TOS.
>>>>>>>> Alot depends on what level of access FB has outside its app, when
>>>>>>>> you accept terms on a mobile device you all but give FB ownership of 
>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>> phone, so every persons whos accepted the FB TOS is pretty much a 
>>>>>>>> Typhoid
>>>>>>>> Mary
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 2:35 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've been casually following the FB bruhahah, and one of the
>>>>>>>>> topics that comes up is about whether FB follows what they call
>>>>>>>>> "non-users", but whenthey describe non-users, they refer to FB users 
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> just aren't logged in.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well I'm a non-user, but I don't have a FB account at all, nor do
>>>>>>>>> I use FB. Now I have occasionally followed a link to FB, but my 
>>>>>>>>> interaction
>>>>>>>>> with their service could be described as "almost" non-existent. Am I 
>>>>>>>>> a FB
>>>>>>>>> "non-user" or not. And if I am, what sort of data would they be 
>>>>>>>>> collecting
>>>>>>>>> on me if I don't even go there or have an account?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> bp
>>>>>>>>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Facebook non-users

[Steve Jones]

yeah, if you collected the passwords used, even incorrect usernames, you
can get alot of info. Other than fatfingering, people try every password
they use for anything

On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 3:25 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

> "Failed logins" are also something Facebook collects.
>
> There is a previous lawsuit where Zuck "hacked" some reporters emails via
> using their failed login credentials to log into their email on record to
> monitor a story against him/Facebook. (Story was about 7 years ago.)
>
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2018, 3:10 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Those people searches use the massive databases
>> your IP is know, with location
>> scouring public web data, maybe you posted to amfug, your IP may be
>> present in an archive with your email address in a header
>> youre email was registered at such and such
>> etc
>> big data on its own is invasive, thats without even accepting TOS
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 3:02 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> They can for sure collect anonymous data even if you don't have an
>>> account.
>>> The IP for my house geocodes exactly to my house, that correlated with
>>> other public records could be used to identify me even if I didn't have a
>>> Facebook account.
>>>
>>> Hypothetically of course.  I have no idea what they really do.
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: 4/19/2018 3:59:39 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Facebook non-users
>>>
>>> I think "how is that done" "what is collected" "did I approve this" are
>>> all questions that will only ever be answered by future subpoenas.
>>> I would bet if using chrome to visit facebook, you share more than youd
>>> prefer, google also has you accept a TOS
>>> FB and google are thick as thieves
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 2:55 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> How is that done? I do not have a FB account at all. Sure I have
>>>> occasionally viewed a FB page from someone, but I've never logged into any
>>>> of their services. I stay as far away as possible. I don't twitter either.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> bp
>>>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 12:47 PM, Steve Jones <
>>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> yes you are, and he skirted that specific question may times because
>>>>> of the liability in doing that without you having agreed to the TOS.
>>>>> Alot depends on what level of access FB has outside its app, when you
>>>>> accept terms on a mobile device you all but give FB ownership of your
>>>>> phone, so every persons whos accepted the FB TOS is pretty much a Typhoid
>>>>> Mary
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 2:35 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I've been casually following the FB bruhahah, and one of the topics
>>>>>> that comes up is about whether FB follows what they call "non-users", but
>>>>>> whenthey describe non-users, they refer to FB users that just aren't 
>>>>>> logged
>>>>>> in.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well I'm a non-user, but I don't have a FB account at all, nor do I
>>>>>> use FB. Now I have occasionally followed a link to FB, but my interaction
>>>>>> with their service could be described as "almost" non-existent. Am I a FB
>>>>>> "non-user" or not. And if I am, what sort of data would they be 
>>>>>> collecting
>>>>>> on me if I don't even go there or have an account?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> bp
>>>>>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] 2000’ tower collapsed here today

[Steve Jones]

the reporting on this is weird, i think there is a 2000 foot tower involved
in this expedited project, but its not this tower, I think this is
sensationalism in reporting (mention a 2000 foot tower, simply because you
can, then that a tower collapsed, let peoples brains fill in the gaps so
youre not technichally a liar, but you get the adclicks)


On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 3:16 PM,  wrote:

> Does not look like it was 2000 feet tall.  The antenna is mostly intact.
> I wonder if they meant 200’ tall.
>
> *From:* Craig House
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 19, 2018 2:12 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] 2000’ tower collapsed here today
>
> http://www.ky3.com/content/news/DRONE-VIDEO-TV-Tower-
> collapses-in-Fordland-Mo-field-480285143.html
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Facebook non-users

[Steve Jones]

Those people searches use the massive databases
your IP is know, with location
scouring public web data, maybe you posted to amfug, your IP may be present
in an archive with your email address in a header
youre email was registered at such and such
etc
big data on its own is invasive, thats without even accepting TOS

On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 3:02 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

> They can for sure collect anonymous data even if you don't have an
> account.
> The IP for my house geocodes exactly to my house, that correlated with
> other public records could be used to identify me even if I didn't have a
> Facebook account.
>
> Hypothetically of course.  I have no idea what they really do.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 4/19/2018 3:59:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Facebook non-users
>
> I think "how is that done" "what is collected" "did I approve this" are
> all questions that will only ever be answered by future subpoenas.
> I would bet if using chrome to visit facebook, you share more than youd
> prefer, google also has you accept a TOS
> FB and google are thick as thieves
>
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 2:55 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> How is that done? I do not have a FB account at all. Sure I have
>> occasionally viewed a FB page from someone, but I've never logged into any
>> of their services. I stay as far away as possible. I don't twitter either.
>>
>> --
>> bp
>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 12:47 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> yes you are, and he skirted that specific question may times because of
>>> the liability in doing that without you having agreed to the TOS.
>>> Alot depends on what level of access FB has outside its app, when you
>>> accept terms on a mobile device you all but give FB ownership of your
>>> phone, so every persons whos accepted the FB TOS is pretty much a Typhoid
>>> Mary
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 2:35 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've been casually following the FB bruhahah, and one of the topics
>>>> that comes up is about whether FB follows what they call "non-users", but
>>>> whenthey describe non-users, they refer to FB users that just aren't logged
>>>> in.
>>>>
>>>> Well I'm a non-user, but I don't have a FB account at all, nor do I use
>>>> FB. Now I have occasionally followed a link to FB, but my interaction with
>>>> their service could be described as "almost" non-existent. Am I a FB
>>>> "non-user" or not. And if I am, what sort of data would they be collecting
>>>> on me if I don't even go there or have an account?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> bp
>>>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Facebook non-users

[Steve Jones]

I think "how is that done" "what is collected" "did I approve this" are all
questions that will only ever be answered by future subpoenas.
I would bet if using chrome to visit facebook, you share more than youd
prefer, google also has you accept a TOS
FB and google are thick as thieves

On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 2:55 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:

> How is that done? I do not have a FB account at all. Sure I have
> occasionally viewed a FB page from someone, but I've never logged into any
> of their services. I stay as far away as possible. I don't twitter either.
>
> --
> bp
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 12:47 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> yes you are, and he skirted that specific question may times because of
>> the liability in doing that without you having agreed to the TOS.
>> Alot depends on what level of access FB has outside its app, when you
>> accept terms on a mobile device you all but give FB ownership of your
>> phone, so every persons whos accepted the FB TOS is pretty much a Typhoid
>> Mary
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 2:35 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I've been casually following the FB bruhahah, and one of the topics that
>>> comes up is about whether FB follows what they call "non-users", but
>>> whenthey describe non-users, they refer to FB users that just aren't logged
>>> in.
>>>
>>> Well I'm a non-user, but I don't have a FB account at all, nor do I use
>>> FB. Now I have occasionally followed a link to FB, but my interaction with
>>> their service could be described as "almost" non-existent. Am I a FB
>>> "non-user" or not. And if I am, what sort of data would they be collecting
>>> on me if I don't even go there or have an account?
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> bp
>>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] MTOW clamps

[Steve Jones]

yes, the only gain in using the upc is you can adjust rod length to tilt a
mast to plumb left to right
take into account i rarely mount to tower legs, i mount to old grain legs,
the angle iron upright is rarely plumb
plus MTOW costs alot more, otherwise all i would use is MTOW, i dont have
trust in UPC so i limit the load more than i would with mtow

On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 2:46 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> OK, so again, you do realize I have a whole product line for angle iron,
> right?
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 19, 2018 1:43 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] MTOW clamps
>
> no, this is for mounting to angle iron. I put a pipe inside for clamp grip
>
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 2:41 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> So you are adding an piece of angle iron to a round tower leg?
>> I presume y’all know about these:
>> https://www.mccowntech.com/product-category/tower-mounts-acc
>> essories/angle-iron-tower-leg-mounting-accessories/
>>
>> *From:* Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 19, 2018 1:37 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] MTOW clamps
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 9:54 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The M-TOW-P-48 is not an angle iron part.  If that is what you ordered
>>> that is not what got shipped.
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 8:24 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MTOW clamps
>>>
>>> On 4/18/18 7:16 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>
>>>> The M-TOW products that are made for angle iron tower legs have a flat
>>>> back clamp.  But the others are still the curved clamp.  We could have had
>>>> a packing error in final assembly I suppose.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Oh, then I got the wrong one, I've never seen the angle iron tower ones.
>>> Ordered from Streakwave. M-TOW-P-48
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Facebook non-users

[Steve Jones]

yes you are, and he skirted that specific question may times because of the
liability in doing that without you having agreed to the TOS.
Alot depends on what level of access FB has outside its app, when you
accept terms on a mobile device you all but give FB ownership of your
phone, so every persons whos accepted the FB TOS is pretty much a Typhoid
Mary


On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 2:35 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> I've been casually following the FB bruhahah, and one of the topics that
> comes up is about whether FB follows what they call "non-users", but
> whenthey describe non-users, they refer to FB users that just aren't logged
> in.
>
> Well I'm a non-user, but I don't have a FB account at all, nor do I use
> FB. Now I have occasionally followed a link to FB, but my interaction with
> their service could be described as "almost" non-existent. Am I a FB
> "non-user" or not. And if I am, what sort of data would they be collecting
> on me if I don't even go there or have an account?
>
>
> --
> bp
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>

Re: [AFMUG] MTOW clamps

[Steve Jones]

no, this is for mounting to angle iron. I put a pipe inside for clamp grip

On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 2:41 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> So you are adding an piece of angle iron to a round tower leg?
> I presume y’all know about these:
> https://www.mccowntech.com/product-category/tower-mounts-
> accessories/angle-iron-tower-leg-mounting-accessories/
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 19, 2018 1:37 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] MTOW clamps
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 9:54 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> The M-TOW-P-48 is not an angle iron part.  If that is what you ordered
>> that is not what got shipped.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 8:24 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MTOW clamps
>>
>> On 4/18/18 7:16 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>>> The M-TOW products that are made for angle iron tower legs have a flat
>>> back clamp.  But the others are still the curved clamp.  We could have had
>>> a packing error in final assembly I suppose.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Oh, then I got the wrong one, I've never seen the angle iron tower ones.
>> Ordered from Streakwave. M-TOW-P-48
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] MTOW clamps

[Steve Jones]

I can be contracted for any of your technical drawing needs
and yes, thats what that is when i can get the mtows, otherwise i just use
the upc1. I prefer mtow

On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 2:40 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Quality CAD work there :)
>
> Are you adapting the standard MTOW for angle iron by using the site pro
> clamps because they have that V-notch in them?
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 4/19/2018 3:37:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MTOW clamps
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 9:54 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> The M-TOW-P-48 is not an angle iron part.  If that is what you ordered
>> that is not what got shipped.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 8:24 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MTOW clamps
>>
>> On 4/18/18 7:16 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>>> The M-TOW products that are made for angle iron tower legs have a flat
>>> back clamp.  But the others are still the curved clamp.  We could have had
>>> a packing error in final assembly I suppose.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Oh, then I got the wrong one, I've never seen the angle iron tower ones.
>> Ordered from Streakwave. M-TOW-P-48
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] MTOW clamps

[Steve Jones]

On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 9:54 AM,  wrote:

> The M-TOW-P-48 is not an angle iron part.  If that is what you ordered
> that is not what got shipped.
>
> -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 8:24 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MTOW clamps
>
> On 4/18/18 7:16 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
>> The M-TOW products that are made for angle iron tower legs have a flat
>> back clamp.  But the others are still the curved clamp.  We could have had
>> a packing error in final assembly I suppose.
>>
>
>
> Oh, then I got the wrong one, I've never seen the angle iron tower ones.
> Ordered from Streakwave. M-TOW-P-48
>

Re: [AFMUG] unimus pricing? ouch

[Steve Jones]

 - subnet scanning (device discovery by scanning subnets)

this im surprised isnt already present



On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 2:23 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

> https://forum.unimus.net/viewtopic.php?p=964#p964
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *"Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, April 19, 2018 2:01:54 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] unimus pricing? ouch
>
> In the next couple weeks a new feature will be added allowing you do mass
> configuration changes. I've seen some screen shots and it looks pretty nice.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *"Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, April 19, 2018 1:58:58 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] unimus pricing? ouch
>
> Unimus has been on my todo list for some time, had a site router croak
> out, thought "self, you had set up that unimus test server some time ago,
> you got this"
>
> well, self had only purchased 10 perpetual devices and it wont start
>
> so i scurry over to the website to get around to buying the whole shooting
> match. I see they heeded my advice, the inexpensive perpetual licence model
> just wasnt viable.
>
> Prices are where I thought they should be back when I was concerned about
> how cheap it was, but now cheap me is hitting me in the sack for not
> getting some more of those perpetual keys
>
> I assume this product has only gotten better (even though it was pretty
> awesome at the time)?
>
> 4.5 per device a year doesnt seem unreasonable for peace of mind. Am I
> wrong?
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] unimus pricing? ouch

[Steve Jones]

that was something i liked in the beta, i asked about fortigate, they asked
for access to one, and it was added that day

On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 2:10 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

> *nods* I've been responsible for probably a third of the platforms it
> supports.  :-)
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *"Richard Strittmatter" <rich...@mesh.net>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, April 19, 2018 2:09:43 PM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] unimus pricing? ouch
>
> Only on my mikrotiks.. I should have said that..
>
> Unimus does lots more than just mikrotiks..
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Richard
> Strittmatter
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 19, 2018 2:06 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] unimus pricing? ouch
>
>
>
> I’ve found that getting an email every day/week from my routers with their
> config works well…
>
> That and a move to folder rule in my mail client.. Saves me lots of grief..
>
>
>
> Richard Strittmatter
>
> rich...@mesh.net
>
> Cirra Networks
>
>
>
>
>
> /system script
>
> add name=exportbackup owner=admin policy=\
>
> ftp,reboot,read,write,policy,test,password source="/export
> file=[/system ide\
>
> ntity get name]\r\
>
> \n/tool e-mail send to=\"ad...@mydomain.com\" from=\"mikrotik@mydomain
> \
>
> .com\" user=\"mikro...@mydomain.com\" password=\"mypassword\"
> subject=([/\
>
> system identity get name] . \" Export\") file=([/system identity get
> name] .\
>
> \_\".rsc\") server=\"mailserver_ip_address\""
>
>
>
> /system scheduler
>
> add interval=1d name="export to email" on-event=exportbackup policy=\
>
> read,write,test start-date=jan/01/1970 start-time=05:00:00
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 19, 2018 1:59 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] unimus pricing? ouch
>
>
>
> Unimus has been on my todo list for some time, had a site router croak
> out, thought "self, you had set up that unimus test server some time ago,
> you got this"
>
>
>
> well, self had only purchased 10 perpetual devices and it wont start
>
>
>
> so i scurry over to the website to get around to buying the whole shooting
> match. I see they heeded my advice, the inexpensive perpetual licence model
> just wasnt viable.
>
>
>
> Prices are where I thought they should be back when I was concerned about
> how cheap it was, but now cheap me is hitting me in the sack for not
> getting some more of those perpetual keys
>
>
>
> I assume this product has only gotten better (even though it was pretty
> awesome at the time)?
>
>
>
> 4.5 per device a year doesnt seem unreasonable for peace of mind. Am I
> wrong?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] unimus pricing? ouch

[Steve Jones]

because i dicked with alot of those, different PITA scenarios in getting it
going. this was one and done at the time and it was going

On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 2:06 PM, Cassidy B. Larson <c...@infowest.com> wrote:

> Why not Oxidized or Rancid?  We use Oxidized in-house. Free. Does all my
> Ciscos, Netonix, Mikrotik, and more.
>
>
>
> On Apr 19, 2018, at 1:02 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
> https://unimus.net/download/Changelog.txt
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *"Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, April 19, 2018 1:58:58 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] unimus pricing? ouch
>
> Unimus has been on my todo list for some time, had a site router croak
> out, thought "self, you had set up that unimus test server some time ago,
> you got this"
>
> well, self had only purchased 10 perpetual devices and it wont start
>
> so i scurry over to the website to get around to buying the whole shooting
> match. I see they heeded my advice, the inexpensive perpetual licence model
> just wasnt viable.
>
> Prices are where I thought they should be back when I was concerned about
> how cheap it was, but now cheap me is hitting me in the sack for not
> getting some more of those perpetual keys
>
> I assume this product has only gotten better (even though it was pretty
> awesome at the time)?
>
> 4.5 per device a year doesnt seem unreasonable for peace of mind. Am I
> wrong?
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] unimus pricing? ouch

[Steve Jones]

im just dreading going into the bosses office head hung low for not keeping
up on the price change, but what it was when we were in the beta was worth
4.5 for important devices to me.
Heck, just rebuilding the config from documentation on this router is going
to burn about 8 years worth of license cost. If id kept up and had this
running, instead of bypassing the router and reconfiguring the connected
site to handle it, I would have just had them dump a config into a spare
and bring it to me, all in one instance

live and learn

On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 2:01 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

> In the next couple weeks a new feature will be added allowing you do mass
> configuration changes. I've seen some screen shots and it looks pretty nice.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *"Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, April 19, 2018 1:58:58 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] unimus pricing? ouch
>
>
> Unimus has been on my todo list for some time, had a site router croak
> out, thought "self, you had set up that unimus test server some time ago,
> you got this"
>
> well, self had only purchased 10 perpetual devices and it wont start
>
> so i scurry over to the website to get around to buying the whole shooting
> match. I see they heeded my advice, the inexpensive perpetual licence model
> just wasnt viable.
>
> Prices are where I thought they should be back when I was concerned about
> how cheap it was, but now cheap me is hitting me in the sack for not
> getting some more of those perpetual keys
>
> I assume this product has only gotten better (even though it was pretty
> awesome at the time)?
>
> 4.5 per device a year doesnt seem unreasonable for peace of mind. Am I
> wrong?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Trouble/Support Ticketing

[Steve Jones]

Poking through it, the troubleshooter(DT), if you put some work into it is
outstanding

On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 1:47 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Layne,
>
> If it's something you're able to discuss on list, can you summarize what
> advantages IssueTracker would give us over the built in ticketing in
> Powercode or Sonar?
>
> Thanks,
> Adam
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Layne Sisk" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 4/19/2018 1:39:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trouble/Support Ticketing
>
> Hit me up if you want some info on IssueTracker.  It is what we used
> internally and we do license it (or give it away free for the companies we
> support).  It has full integration with Zendesk, Powercode, Sonar, UBO, and
> has pretty good integration available with SalesForce and Sugar CRM.
>
>
>
> Layne Sisk
>
> ServerPlus
>
> 801.426.8283, ext 102
>
> [image: New logo xl] 
>
> [image: http://i.imgur.com/VOz763A.png]
>
> [image: http://i.imgur.com/xvQYYWa.png]
> 
>
> [image: http://i.imgur.com/ELG0AB1.png]
> 
>
> [image: Utah 100]   [image: fast50-01][image: Inc 5000]
>
>
>
> *From:* Af  *On Behalf Of *Tim Reichhart
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 19, 2018 9:18 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Trouble/Support Ticketing
>
>
>
> The company I used to work for had custom ticketing that would intergrate
> into powercode I believe it was all done with API so if any of these open
> source ticket software have API you should be able to put it into your
> billing sytstem if the system have API.
>
> Tim
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "Matt Hoppes" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Date: 04/19/18 08:48
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trouble/Support Ticketing
>
> Well and they're in is the problem. There is no link between Zendesk and
> power code other than the customer name and email address. But not finding
> a perfect solution in a billing system this is the solution we have thus
> far. At least it aggregates all means of communication into one ticket
> system that we can use internally
>
>
> On Apr 19, 2018, at 08:33, Gino A. Villarini  wrote:
>
> Nice, but how do you integrate it with the customer info you need to have
> on hand?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af  on behalf of Matt Hoppes  rivervalleyinternet.net>
> *Reply-To:* "af@afmug.com" 
> *Date:* Thursday, April 19, 2018 at 8:20 AM
> *To:* "af@afmug.com" 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Trouble/Support Ticketing
>
>
>
> Check out Zendesk it will integrate with many things. We have Zendesk
> integrated with our text messages and Facebook page.
>
> The only thing in power code or call logs when someone calls in but
> there's no reason you couldn't create a new ticket in Zendesk and link it
> to the customers email address. You can create a new account in Zendesk for
> the customer if you need to, or if they've ever emailed in before they will
> already have an account.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
>
> President
>
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> 
>
> On Apr 19, 2018, at 07:50, Darin Steffl  wrote:
>
> I'm afraid of having too many places for tickets so we're trying to decide
> on one place. I don't want email tickets in zendesk, phone call tickets in
> Azotel, texts in zipwhip, and Facebook messages on Facebook.
>
>
>
> I'd really love an easy way (doesn't need to be free) to combine all our
> support methods into one spot so we don't lose or forget things.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2018, 12:14 PM Matt Hoppes  rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
> You can open a ticket in Zendesk.
>
>
>
> Do you mean open a ticket the customer can refer to or for you to track?
> I guess you could do either.
>
>
>
> We sometimes open tickets in zendesk to email the customer. Really your
> billing/CRM system should be handling phone support tickets and linking
> them to the account.
>
>
> On Apr 19, 2018, at 05:18, Darin Steffl  wrote:
>
> I am having trouble finding a ticket system that is also good for people
> who call in. Most seem like you need a customer to email in to create a
> ticket. It seems harder to manually enter a ticket for those who call us.
>
>
>
> Am I overlooking something obvious on zendesk for this? I don't need it
> integrated into my phone system, just an easy way to create a ticket when
> someone calls in.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018, 11:54 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
> What is everyone using for support tickets nowadays?  I've about had it
> with our system.
>
>
>
> --
>
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, 

[AFMUG] unimus pricing? ouch

[Steve Jones]

Unimus has been on my todo list for some time, had a site router croak out,
thought "self, you had set up that unimus test server some time ago, you
got this"

well, self had only purchased 10 perpetual devices and it wont start

so i scurry over to the website to get around to buying the whole shooting
match. I see they heeded my advice, the inexpensive perpetual licence model
just wasnt viable.

Prices are where I thought they should be back when I was concerned about
how cheap it was, but now cheap me is hitting me in the sack for not
getting some more of those perpetual keys

I assume this product has only gotten better (even though it was pretty
awesome at the time)?

4.5 per device a year doesnt seem unreasonable for peace of mind. Am I
wrong?

Re: [AFMUG] Trouble/Support Ticketing

[Steve Jones]

wow, it might be a good thing for you, the ecommerce stuff is cool, shows
what your people look at, what they buy, you can have google/facebook
godlike powers

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 11:44 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> i dont care for your ticket system
> dont have to use it often, but i dont like it
> powercodes ticket system has gotten pretty useful, it would be nice if
> they had just that module, you could always start a wisp
>
> best ticket system we use is kayako, but last i ppriced it, was outside
> our budget since we had depreciated its use to powercode. but it would be
> perfect for you, has a knowlegbase, troubleshooter, newsfeed, etc. we still
> use our old version for our contract services support and billing (its got
> good project time tracking) but the database is corrupting, old knowlege
> bases are disappearing. Thats just cause we havent renewed it in so long or
> maintained any of it
>
> https://www.kayako.com/ I just looked at their website, not terrible
> recurring pricing, not sure if they have a perpetual on premise solution
> anymore like what we run, we have the esupport suite
>
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 10:39 PM, Jon Lee <j...@off-gridnetworks.com>
> wrote:
>
>> We have OS ticket running on a Linode instace.
>>
>> -Jon
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018, 5:38 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm currently running an instance of OSticket.   There is a bug
>>> somewhere in the version I'm running which causes tickets with activity on
>>> them (new or more frequently rather old ones) to not be put in a state
>>> where it is obvious that there has been activity on them.  Often we'll find
>>> them weeks or months later, or more often , when a customer asks "any
>>> updates?".
>>>
>>> There are a few other issues, which I'm not thrilled with.   It was
>>> better than the hosted version we were using, but still not perfect.
>>>
>>> Ticketing systems seem to be like phone systems, they're all nice when
>>> they're new, but the nice wears off quickly.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 5:25 PM, Keefe John <keefe...@ethoplex.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If you want free a lot of people also use Request Tracker and OS Ticket.
>>>>
>>>> Keefe
>>>>
>>>> On April 18, 2018 6:07:50 PM CDT, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <
>>>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, I'm sort of leaning toward Zendesk just because of all of the
>>>>> integrations.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 4:55 PM, Keefe John <keefe...@ethoplex.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> We use Sonar but zendesk is very popular.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Keefe
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On April 18, 2018 5:54:10 PM CDT, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <
>>>>>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What is everyone using for support tickets nowadays?  I've about had
>>>>>>> it with our system.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>>>>>>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>>>>>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=3577+Countryside+Road,+Helena,+MT+59602=gmail=g>
>>>>>>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>>>>>>> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian>
>>>>>>> <http://facebook.com/packetflux>  <http://twitter.com/@packetflux>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>>>>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>>>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=3577+Countryside+Road,+Helena,+MT+59602=gmail=g>
>>>>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>>>>> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian>
>>>>> <http://facebook.com/packetflux>  <http://twitter.com/@packetflux>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=3577+Countryside+Road,+Helena,+MT+59602=gmail=g>
>>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>>> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian>
>>> <http://facebook.com/packetflux>  <http://twitter.com/@packetflux>
>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Trouble/Support Ticketing

[Steve Jones]

i dont care for your ticket system
dont have to use it often, but i dont like it
powercodes ticket system has gotten pretty useful, it would be nice if they
had just that module, you could always start a wisp

best ticket system we use is kayako, but last i ppriced it, was outside our
budget since we had depreciated its use to powercode. but it would be
perfect for you, has a knowlegbase, troubleshooter, newsfeed, etc. we still
use our old version for our contract services support and billing (its got
good project time tracking) but the database is corrupting, old knowlege
bases are disappearing. Thats just cause we havent renewed it in so long or
maintained any of it

https://www.kayako.com/ I just looked at their website, not terrible
recurring pricing, not sure if they have a perpetual on premise solution
anymore like what we run, we have the esupport suite

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 10:39 PM, Jon Lee  wrote:

> We have OS ticket running on a Linode instace.
>
> -Jon
>
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018, 5:38 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm currently running an instance of OSticket.   There is a bug somewhere
>> in the version I'm running which causes tickets with activity on them (new
>> or more frequently rather old ones) to not be put in a state where it is
>> obvious that there has been activity on them.  Often we'll find them weeks
>> or months later, or more often , when a customer asks "any updates?".
>>
>> There are a few other issues, which I'm not thrilled with.   It was
>> better than the hosted version we were using, but still not perfect.
>>
>> Ticketing systems seem to be like phone systems, they're all nice when
>> they're new, but the nice wears off quickly.
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 5:25 PM, Keefe John 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> If you want free a lot of people also use Request Tracker and OS Ticket.
>>>
>>> Keefe
>>>
>>> On April 18, 2018 6:07:50 PM CDT, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <
>>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

 Yeah, I'm sort of leaning toward Zendesk just because of all of the
 integrations.

 On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 4:55 PM, Keefe John 
 wrote:

> We use Sonar but zendesk is very popular.
>
> Keefe
>
>
> On April 18, 2018 5:54:10 PM CDT, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>
>> What is everyone using for support tickets nowadays?  I've about had
>> it with our system.
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> 
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>> 
>>   
>>
>>
> --
> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>



 --
 *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
 Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
 
 forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
 
   


>>> --
>>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> 
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>> 
>>   
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] MTOW clamps

[Steve Jones]

upc1 clamps from site pro work great in conjunction with MTOW btw, throw
away the threaded rod to storage and use the clamp plate for 90s

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 9:50 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Angle iron units have the word angle in the part number. Perhaps they
> mis-shipped.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Apr 18, 2018, at 8:24 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
> >
> >> On 4/18/18 7:16 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> >> The M-TOW products that are made for angle iron tower legs have a flat
> back clamp.  But the others are still the curved clamp.  We could have had
> a packing error in final assembly I suppose.
> >
> >
> > Oh, then I got the wrong one, I've never seen the angle iron tower ones.
> Ordered from Streakwave. M-TOW-P-48
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Google News

[Steve Jones]

they took away my filters
you used to be able to do that
that was one of my filters
i hate google trying to control me

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 9:20 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> I would pay to have that crap removed.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 4/18/2018 7:15 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> I wish there was a way to block all news sources from ever again
> presenting anything on the Kardasian Jenner West families� arrgh.�
> �
> Daily, multiple things.� Those guys are masters at self promotion.�
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Important news

[Steve Jones]

now that would be excellent


On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 10:56 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> And maybe. just maybe McDonalds uses it on Big Macs (special sauce?)?
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 4/18/2018 8:49 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
>> Twitter called for it and now:
>>
>> Heinz will start shipping fry sauce...
>>
>>
>> Utah’s claim to fry sauce goes back to the 1940s, when chef Don Carlos
>> Edwards created it for burgers at his restaurants. Those restaurants grew
>> into the Arctic Circle chain, which now boasts 37 locations in Utah, 21 in
>> Idaho and six more around the West.
>>
>> Other countries have their own versions. In Argentina, it’s called salsa
>> golf, or “golf sauce,” created in the clubhouse of a golf course in 1925 by
>> 19-year-old Luis Federico Leloir— who 45 years later was awarded the Nobel
>> Prize in chemistry for his work with lactose.
>>
>> In Puerto Rico, it’s sold as “mayo ketchup,” and it’s known as “salsa
>> rosado” (“pink sauce”) in Colombia and Venezuela.
>>
>> Mayonnaise and ketchup is considered a simplified recipe of a British
>> condiment, Marie Rose sauce. Heinz sells a version of this in Ireland
>> called “burger sauce.”
>>
>> The UrbanDictionary also lists “tomayo” and “ketchonnaise” as portmanteau
>> words for the pink stuff.
>>
>> Then there are the variations. Some recipes for remoulade in Louisiana
>> Creole cuisine add ketchup to the traditional mayo-andmustard combination.
>> In Mississippi, diners enjoy a mix of mayo and chile sauce called comeback
>> sauce. And traditional Russian and Thousand Island dressings start with
>> mayo and ketchup, then add other ingredients.
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[Steve Jones]

worked great for alcoholism and you cant even get black market moonshine
now...oh wait

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 11:18 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
wrote:

> That's... That's not at all how it works in the models I'm talking about.
>
> You make it 100% legal, and remove the stigma. You provide safe places to
> get supplies and mental health care.
>
> This largely removes the drug market all together (crashes it), making it
> not a viable thing to sell (better opportunity elsewhere).
>
> It also has the highest treatment success rate for overcoming hard drug
> addiction (mental health care + kratom).
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 11:13 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> decriminalizing maintains the control, keeps people limited to user
>> amounts only, doesnt turn a junkie into a felon whose life is effectively
>> over, but the drug dealers can still be put in prison where they go.
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 10:58 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> If you legalize but tax, there still can be room for a competitor's
>>> product that is... Ahem tax free.
>>>
>>> It's a slipper slope, because if you are taxing it, you are also
>>> regulating it.
>>>
>>> It's crazy ... We allow alcohol but ban weed. Alcohol is disasterous!
>>>
>>> You can sell homeopathic snake oil, but if you have a couple of
>>> mushrooms you found under cowshit in a field you can go to prison.
>>>
>>> This is all so stupid.
>>>
>>> ... But hey, D.A.R.E.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 10:43 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I like pissing off cartels
>>>>
>>>> I always preferred decriminalization to legalization, maintains a
>>>> secondary effective tax to offset the byproduct cost in treatment, etc.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 10:27 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Decriminalize drugs except in the event of endangering the welfare of
>>>>> a child, or risking life/limb of another person.
>>>>>
>>>>> Drugs are a personal choice. If Jimbo isn't hurting anybody by coming
>>>>> home and the end of a day and smoking a joint, or maybe using mushrooms or
>>>>> MDA to help overcome emotional trauma, or for religious reasons, who's
>>>>> business is that?
>>>>>
>>>>> Hard drugs are often done to escape inward or to damage onesself or to
>>>>> feel something or just... Feel. The root problem is mental health. Let
>>>>> people get clean needles in a controlled setting and give them access to
>>>>> talk to someone. It's had amazing effects in those mentioned contries.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh yeah, it'll right piss off the cartels too.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 9:47 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> theres no shortage of criminals
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 6:47 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wish we would treat drugs here like they do in Spain and Portugal,
>>>>>>> but how would our for-profit prison system, police and federal law
>>>>>>> enforcement get money?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 6:42 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thats heroin that permantly alters the opoid receptors in the
>>>>>>>> brain, the molecule is slightly larger than the normal brain chemical
>>>>>>>> (dopamine i think) its replacing, so the receptor is enlarged. Its 
>>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>>> that first use that is why doing heroin is called chasing the dragon,
>>>>>>>> people are seeking to replicate that first high but never can because 
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> physiologic change only happens once so its like chasing a dragon
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 6:18 PM Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
&

Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[Steve Jones]

decriminalizing maintains the control, keeps people limited to user amounts
only, doesnt turn a junkie into a felon whose life is effectively over, but
the drug dealers can still be put in prison where they go.

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 10:58 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
wrote:

> If you legalize but tax, there still can be room for a competitor's
> product that is... Ahem tax free.
>
> It's a slipper slope, because if you are taxing it, you are also
> regulating it.
>
> It's crazy ... We allow alcohol but ban weed. Alcohol is disasterous!
>
> You can sell homeopathic snake oil, but if you have a couple of mushrooms
> you found under cowshit in a field you can go to prison.
>
> This is all so stupid.
>
> ... But hey, D.A.R.E.
>
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 10:43 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I like pissing off cartels
>>
>> I always preferred decriminalization to legalization, maintains a
>> secondary effective tax to offset the byproduct cost in treatment, etc.
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 10:27 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Decriminalize drugs except in the event of endangering the welfare of a
>>> child, or risking life/limb of another person.
>>>
>>> Drugs are a personal choice. If Jimbo isn't hurting anybody by coming
>>> home and the end of a day and smoking a joint, or maybe using mushrooms or
>>> MDA to help overcome emotional trauma, or for religious reasons, who's
>>> business is that?
>>>
>>> Hard drugs are often done to escape inward or to damage onesself or to
>>> feel something or just... Feel. The root problem is mental health. Let
>>> people get clean needles in a controlled setting and give them access to
>>> talk to someone. It's had amazing effects in those mentioned contries.
>>>
>>> Oh yeah, it'll right piss off the cartels too.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 9:47 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> theres no shortage of criminals
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 6:47 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I wish we would treat drugs here like they do in Spain and Portugal,
>>>>> but how would our for-profit prison system, police and federal law
>>>>> enforcement get money?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 6:42 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thats heroin that permantly alters the opoid receptors in the brain,
>>>>>> the molecule is slightly larger than the normal brain chemical (dopamine 
>>>>>> i
>>>>>> think) its replacing, so the receptor is enlarged. Its actually that 
>>>>>> first
>>>>>> use that is why doing heroin is called chasing the dragon, people are
>>>>>> seeking to replicate that first high but never can because the 
>>>>>> physiologic
>>>>>> change only happens once so its like chasing a dragon
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 6:18 PM Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's Fake News.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 2:21 PM Nate Burke <n...@blastcomm.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I thought I heard somewhere that any use of Meth, even once,
>>>>>>>> permanently
>>>>>>>> alters the brain chemistry.  So it's not a 'recreational' drug, and
>>>>>>>> why
>>>>>>>> it's so addictive.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 4/17/2018 2:11 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>>>>>>>> > Anything that makes me not want to eat or sleep isn't for me.  I
>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>> > those too much.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>>>>>> >> If I am going to use bath salts, they are called Epsom and they
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> >> dissolved in hot water...
>>>>>>>> >> Not really clear what they mean by bath salts.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> I was prescrib

Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[Steve Jones]

I like pissing off cartels

I always preferred decriminalization to legalization, maintains a secondary
effective tax to offset the byproduct cost in treatment, etc.

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 10:27 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
wrote:

> Decriminalize drugs except in the event of endangering the welfare of a
> child, or risking life/limb of another person.
>
> Drugs are a personal choice. If Jimbo isn't hurting anybody by coming home
> and the end of a day and smoking a joint, or maybe using mushrooms or MDA
> to help overcome emotional trauma, or for religious reasons, who's business
> is that?
>
> Hard drugs are often done to escape inward or to damage onesself or to
> feel something or just... Feel. The root problem is mental health. Let
> people get clean needles in a controlled setting and give them access to
> talk to someone. It's had amazing effects in those mentioned contries.
>
> Oh yeah, it'll right piss off the cartels too.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 9:47 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> theres no shortage of criminals
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 6:47 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I wish we would treat drugs here like they do in Spain and Portugal, but
>>> how would our for-profit prison system, police and federal law enforcement
>>> get money?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 6:42 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thats heroin that permantly alters the opoid receptors in the brain,
>>>> the molecule is slightly larger than the normal brain chemical (dopamine i
>>>> think) its replacing, so the receptor is enlarged. Its actually that first
>>>> use that is why doing heroin is called chasing the dragon, people are
>>>> seeking to replicate that first high but never can because the physiologic
>>>> change only happens once so its like chasing a dragon
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 6:18 PM Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That's Fake News.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 2:21 PM Nate Burke <n...@blastcomm.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I thought I heard somewhere that any use of Meth, even once,
>>>>>> permanently
>>>>>> alters the brain chemistry.  So it's not a 'recreational' drug, and
>>>>>> why
>>>>>> it's so addictive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/17/2018 2:11 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>>>>>> > Anything that makes me not want to eat or sleep isn't for me.  I
>>>>>> like
>>>>>> > those too much.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>>>> >> If I am going to use bath salts, they are called Epsom and they
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> >> dissolved in hot water...
>>>>>> >> Not really clear what they mean by bath salts.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> I was prescribed Xanax once.  Made me sleepy.
>>>>>> >> Pot was not my thing back in the 70s...
>>>>>> >> (I preferred Olympia, Blitz, Rainier, Hamms, Miller, Heineken,
>>>>>> Henry
>>>>>> >> Winehards Private Reserve...)
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Not really sure what meth does to you but I know it is horribly
>>>>>> >> addictive and ruins everyone that gets hooked.
>>>>>> >> I guess it is a version of speed.  But no direct experience with
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> >> either.  Not wanting anything that cause my hear to race.
>>>>>> >> Coke Zero does that enough for me.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> My wife lived on Oxy after a pair of horrific surgeries
>>>>>> >> (decompression of the spine, harrington rods, 14 lag screws into
>>>>>> her
>>>>>> >> vertebrae).
>>>>>> >> But she didn't get hooked.  Claimed it worked really well.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
>>>>>> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 12:08 PM
>>>>>> >> To: af@afmug.com
>>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents
>>>>>> >>
>>&

Re: [AFMUG] OT: IM Services

[Steve Jones]

openfire has AD, for free

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 12:28 PM, Layne Sisk <la...@serverplus.com> wrote:

> We have been using RIOT, it works much like Slack but doesn’t cost an arm
> and a leg to get the one function we needed (Active Directory).
>
>
>
> Layne Sisk
>
> ServerPlus
>
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>
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>
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>
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> <https://twitter.com/RealServerPlus>
>
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>
>
>
> *From:* Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Saturday, April 14, 2018 9:25 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: IM Services
>
>
>
> I rhought it was eol, but still there good for talking to the kid though
> when hes upstairs, fun video
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 14, 2018, 1:56 PM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
> The app is dog shit and only getting worse.
>
>
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
>
> *From: *"Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, April 13, 2018 10:14:03 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: IM Services
>
> i use hangouts to communicate with my boy, its handy
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 9:04 PM, Brian Webster <i...@wirelessmapping.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> One to consider is Google Voice.
>
> You sign up for a free phone number account but it also has a chat client.
> Can be app based on the phone or browser based as well. One nice feature of
> the Google Voice chat is that you can also be texting/chatting with mobile
> users just like texting between phones. Make conversations, with those in
> the office easier because they don't have to use their phone, they can be
> on the computer using a full keyboard. Supports full MMS, pictures,
> hyperlinks etc. There is a chrome plugin as well. Side benefit is that is
> have the voice/phone features including voicemail and voicemail to text
> transcription, call screening and call forwarding based on rules or no
> answer conditions.
>
> Still is the evil empire and them tracking al that you do so there is that
> drawback
>
> https://voice.google.com
>
>
> Thank You,
> Brian Webster
> www.wirelessmapping.com
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 3:26 PM
> To: Animal Farm
>
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: IM Services
>
> With the demise of AIM, and not being on any social media sites, what's
> available for Instant messaging apps these days?  Basically so I can send
> the boss Hyperlinks without having to do everything through email
> while we're on an intercom call.It looks like Trillian.im offers a
> service that is ad free for $2/user/mo  But I thought I saw that there was
> a $10 minimum somewhere.
>
> Nate
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[Steve Jones]

theres no shortage of criminals

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 6:47 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

> I wish we would treat drugs here like they do in Spain and Portugal, but
> how would our for-profit prison system, police and federal law enforcement
> get money?
>
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 6:42 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thats heroin that permantly alters the opoid receptors in the brain, the
>> molecule is slightly larger than the normal brain chemical (dopamine i
>> think) its replacing, so the receptor is enlarged. Its actually that first
>> use that is why doing heroin is called chasing the dragon, people are
>> seeking to replicate that first high but never can because the physiologic
>> change only happens once so its like chasing a dragon
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 6:18 PM Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>>
>>> That's Fake News.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 2:21 PM Nate Burke <n...@blastcomm.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I thought I heard somewhere that any use of Meth, even once,
>>>> permanently
>>>> alters the brain chemistry.  So it's not a 'recreational' drug, and why
>>>> it's so addictive.
>>>>
>>>> On 4/17/2018 2:11 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>>>> > Anything that makes me not want to eat or sleep isn't for me.  I like
>>>> > those too much.
>>>> >
>>>> > Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>> >> If I am going to use bath salts, they are called Epsom and they are
>>>> >> dissolved in hot water...
>>>> >> Not really clear what they mean by bath salts.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I was prescribed Xanax once.  Made me sleepy.
>>>> >> Pot was not my thing back in the 70s...
>>>> >> (I preferred Olympia, Blitz, Rainier, Hamms, Miller, Heineken, Henry
>>>> >> Winehards Private Reserve...)
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Not really sure what meth does to you but I know it is horribly
>>>> >> addictive and ruins everyone that gets hooked.
>>>> >> I guess it is a version of speed.  But no direct experience with
>>>> that
>>>> >> either.  Not wanting anything that cause my hear to race.
>>>> >> Coke Zero does that enough for me.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> My wife lived on Oxy after a pair of horrific surgeries
>>>> >> (decompression of the spine, harrington rods, 14 lag screws into her
>>>> >> vertebrae).
>>>> >> But she didn't get hooked.  Claimed it worked really well.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
>>>> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 12:08 PM
>>>> >> To: af@afmug.com
>>>> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I understand opiods, Xanax and pot but meth just doesn't sound like
>>>> fun
>>>> >> and bath salts has to be the lowest of lows.  Granted, all I know
>>>> about
>>>> >> bath salts are the videos I've come across.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Steve Jones wrote:
>>>> >>> They released the report, they seized appox 70 grams of xanax, 16
>>>> >>> doses od suboxone (essentially heroin) 11.8 grams of bath salts.
>>>> >>> other misch controlled substance pills as well as delivery of meth
>>>> >>> charges.
>>>> >>> fucking bath salts
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 8:18 AM, Dave <dmilho...@wletc.com
>>>> >>> <mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I hear the same shit as lewis and the sheriff mentioned that
>>>> Every
>>>> >>> vehicle that is pulled over has some form of drug or
>>>> paraphernalia
>>>> >>> in it.
>>>> >>> Meth is the demon drug that will cause even the most humble
>>>> become
>>>> >>> demented.
>>>> >>> A peer of my rank in the army said "That some were just not
>>>> meant
>>>> >>> to breed!" We laughed about it but I do believe there is some
>>>> >>> truth to that.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>&

Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[Steve Jones]

Thats heroin that permantly alters the opoid receptors in the brain, the
molecule is slightly larger than the normal brain chemical (dopamine i
think) its replacing, so the receptor is enlarged. Its actually that first
use that is why doing heroin is called chasing the dragon, people are
seeking to replicate that first high but never can because the physiologic
change only happens once so its like chasing a dragon

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 6:18 PM Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

> That's Fake News.
>
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 2:21 PM Nate Burke <n...@blastcomm.com> wrote:
>
>> I thought I heard somewhere that any use of Meth, even once, permanently
>> alters the brain chemistry.  So it's not a 'recreational' drug, and why
>> it's so addictive.
>>
>> On 4/17/2018 2:11 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>> > Anything that makes me not want to eat or sleep isn't for me.  I like
>> > those too much.
>> >
>> > Chuck McCown wrote:
>> >> If I am going to use bath salts, they are called Epsom and they are
>> >> dissolved in hot water...
>> >> Not really clear what they mean by bath salts.
>> >>
>> >> I was prescribed Xanax once.  Made me sleepy.
>> >> Pot was not my thing back in the 70s...
>> >> (I preferred Olympia, Blitz, Rainier, Hamms, Miller, Heineken, Henry
>> >> Winehards Private Reserve...)
>> >>
>> >> Not really sure what meth does to you but I know it is horribly
>> >> addictive and ruins everyone that gets hooked.
>> >> I guess it is a version of speed.  But no direct experience with that
>> >> either.  Not wanting anything that cause my hear to race.
>> >> Coke Zero does that enough for me.
>> >>
>> >> My wife lived on Oxy after a pair of horrific surgeries
>> >> (decompression of the spine, harrington rods, 14 lag screws into her
>> >> vertebrae).
>> >> But she didn't get hooked.  Claimed it worked really well.
>> >>
>> >> -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 12:08 PM
>> >> To: af@afmug.com
>> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents
>> >>
>> >> I understand opiods, Xanax and pot but meth just doesn't sound like fun
>> >> and bath salts has to be the lowest of lows.  Granted, all I know about
>> >> bath salts are the videos I've come across.
>> >>
>> >> Steve Jones wrote:
>> >>> They released the report, they seized appox 70 grams of xanax, 16
>> >>> doses od suboxone (essentially heroin) 11.8 grams of bath salts.
>> >>> other misch controlled substance pills as well as delivery of meth
>> >>> charges.
>> >>> fucking bath salts
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 8:18 AM, Dave <dmilho...@wletc.com
>> >>> <mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I hear the same shit as lewis and the sheriff mentioned that Every
>> >>> vehicle that is pulled over has some form of drug or paraphernalia
>> >>> in it.
>> >>> Meth is the demon drug that will cause even the most humble become
>> >>> demented.
>> >>> A peer of my rank in the army said "That some were just not meant
>> >>> to breed!" We laughed about it but I do believe there is some
>> >>> truth to that.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On 04/15/2018 05:11 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>> >>>> I think Meth answers all your "why" questions. Since I deal with
>> >>>> almost every sheriff in and most every drug focused law
>> >>>> enforcement I hear a lot of their stories. One of them tells me
>> >>>> that 95%+ of crime is drug related. CPS type problems they put at
>> >>>> about 80% with the remaining 15% made of of perverts that should
>> >>>> probably be castrated upon a verdict.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 10:03 AM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com
>> >>>> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I had a similar situation.  Rather my wife did.  We took the
>> >>>> kids in (her sister�s kids).
>> >>>> Very similar situation, neglected, abused, drugs etc.
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[Steve Jones]

yeah, can you imagine if a kid had got into that stuff

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 1:08 PM, Jay Weekley <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
wrote:

> I understand opiods, Xanax and pot but meth just doesn't sound like fun
> and bath salts has to be the lowest of lows.  Granted, all I know about
> bath salts are the videos I've come across.
>
> Steve Jones wrote:
>
>> They released the report, they seized appox 70 grams of xanax, 16 doses
>> od suboxone (essentially heroin) 11.8 grams of bath salts. other misch
>> controlled substance pills as well as delivery of meth charges.
>> fucking bath salts
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 8:18 AM, Dave <dmilho...@wletc.com > dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I hear the same shit as lewis and the sheriff mentioned that Every
>> vehicle that is pulled over has some form of drug or paraphernalia
>> in it.
>> Meth is the demon drug that will cause even the most humble become
>> demented.
>> A peer of my rank in the army said "That some were just not meant
>> to breed!" We laughed about it but I do believe there is some
>> truth to that.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 04/15/2018 05:11 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>
>>> I think Meth answers all your "why" questions. Since I deal with
>>> almost every sheriff in and most every drug focused law
>>> enforcement I hear a lot of their stories. One of them tells me
>>> that 95%+ of crime is drug related. CPS type problems they put at
>>> about 80% with the remaining 15% made of of perverts that should
>>> probably be castrated upon a verdict.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 10:03 AM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I had a similar situation.  Rather my wife did.  We took the
>>> kids in (her sister’s kids).
>>> Very similar situation, neglected, abused, drugs etc.
>>> One of the parents got them back for a while, then the other.
>>> Those kids still think of my wife as “mom”.  They are all
>>> grown up with grandkids of their own now.
>>> One of them is a solid cop in Reno. The other has not turned
>>> out so well.
>>> The world needs standup guys like you.
>>> *From:* Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, April 14, 2018 11:00 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents
>>>
>>> You folks get my vent because i cant anywherr else. So like 7
>>> years ago we took in my old ladys nephews because, well
>>> fuckwit parents. FYI the foster care system is aweful. We
>>> fostered them for a year and half while her brother and baby
>>> momma sorted their shit, or so we thought. The 18 month old
>>> at the time had a club foot, i had to build a sleeping rig
>>> with some shoes with the ankles hooked together and the toes
>>> locked outward with a ruler, i worked his legs in and out til
>>> his hip popped one night, i thought i broke his hip, but it
>>> was just something going back. The 4 year old you couldbt
>>> understand cause they thought baby talk was cute so they
>>> never taught him to speak. We fixed that, and that was the
>>> least bad of the fuckery. This was me, the old lady,
>>> a1,2,4,and 5 year old with our 2 in a tiny 2 bedroom.
>>> Finally got these boys shaped up and bought a house for room,
>>> and a week later they gave them back to the mom. The old
>>> ladies brother never did what he was supposed to.
>>> Now today was their grandmas (my old ladies step moms)
>>> funeral, so whats this trashcan do? Gets arrested for selling
>>> fucking meth
>>> So dealing with all that comes with a funeral, we had to be
>>> late dealing with the child services people. Get all that
>>> squared away, get through the funeral and now find out we
>>> also get the joy of headlice.
>>> Seriously, fucking shit fuck. How do people do this shit to
>>> kids, theyre not just a thing you have while doing other things.
>>> Im not lawfully allowed to discuss any of this with anyone
>>> who is remotely involved, i figure none of you are.
>>> But seriously, what the fuck, you get your kids back and sell
>>> meth. And theyre already asking if they sign their righys if
>>> they can see the kids still.
>>> I have very few skills, and none of rhem involve the ability
>>> to not want to feed these people lead
>>>
>>>
>> --
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[Steve Jones]

They released the report, they seized appox 70 grams of xanax, 16 doses od
suboxone (essentially heroin) 11.8 grams of bath salts. other misch
controlled substance pills as well as delivery of meth charges.
fucking bath salts

On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 8:18 AM, Dave <dmilho...@wletc.com> wrote:

> I hear the same shit as lewis and the sheriff mentioned that Every vehicle
> that is pulled over has some form of drug or paraphernalia in it.
> Meth is the demon drug that will cause even the most humble become
> demented.
> A peer of my rank in the army said "That some were just not meant to
> breed!" We laughed about it but I do believe there is some truth to that.
>
>
>
> On 04/15/2018 05:11 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
> I think Meth answers all your "why" questions. Since I deal with almost
> every sheriff in and most every drug focused law enforcement I hear a lot
> of their stories. One of them tells me that 95%+ of crime is drug related.
> CPS type problems they put at about 80% with the remaining 15% made of of
> perverts that should probably be castrated upon a verdict.
>
> On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 10:03 AM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> I had a similar situation.  Rather my wife did.  We took the kids in (her
>> sister’s kids).
>> Very similar situation, neglected, abused, drugs etc.
>>
>> One of the parents got them back for a while, then the other.
>>
>> Those kids still think of my wife as “mom”.  They are all grown up with
>> grandkids of their own now.
>> One of them is a solid cop in Reno.  The other has not turned out so
>> well.
>>
>> The world needs standup guys like you.
>>
>> *From:* Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Saturday, April 14, 2018 11:00 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents
>>
>> You folks get my vent because i cant anywherr else. So like 7 years ago
>> we took in my old ladys nephews because, well fuckwit parents. FYI the
>> foster care system is aweful. We fostered them for a year and half while
>> her brother and baby momma sorted their shit, or so we thought. The 18
>> month old at the time had a club foot, i had to build a sleeping rig with
>> some shoes with the ankles hooked together and the toes locked outward with
>> a ruler, i worked his legs in and out til his hip popped one night, i
>> thought i broke his hip, but it was just something going back. The 4 year
>> old you couldbt understand cause they thought baby talk was cute so they
>> never taught him to speak. We fixed that, and that was the least bad of the
>> fuckery. This was me, the old lady, a1,2,4,and 5 year old with our 2 in a
>> tiny 2 bedroom.
>> Finally got these boys shaped up and bought a house for room, and a week
>> later they gave them back to the mom. The old ladies brother never did what
>> he was supposed to.
>> Now today was their grandmas (my old ladies step moms) funeral, so whats
>> this trashcan do? Gets arrested for selling fucking meth
>> So dealing with all that comes with a funeral, we had to be late dealing
>> with the child services people. Get all that squared away, get through the
>> funeral and now find out we also get the joy of headlice.
>> Seriously, fucking shit fuck. How do people do this shit to kids, theyre
>> not just a thing you have while doing other things.
>>
>> Im not lawfully allowed to discuss any of this with anyone who is
>> remotely involved, i figure none of you are.
>>
>> But seriously, what the fuck, you get your kids back and sell meth. And
>> theyre already asking if they sign their righys if they can see the kids
>> still.
>>
>> I have very few skills, and none of rhem involve the ability to not want
>> to feed these people lead
>>
>
> --
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[Steve Jones]

Yeah, when i was young went with a buddy to smoke pot. Was hitting the bong
when a little girl, like 2 walks in. I try hiding it, but theyre like "its
ok, she always hangs out" or something like that, i left. Turns out this
little girl is the mom. Garbage in garbage out

On Sun, Apr 15, 2018, 12:29 AM Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

> A lot of people have a poor sense of responsibility that ends up with them
> having kids, often at a young age.
>
> Unfortunately roughly half, based on my experience, never grow into that
> responsibility.
>
> Then their kids do the same, etc... Shitty cycle.
>
> Props to you for trying to do the right thing here.
>
> On Sun, Apr 15, 2018, 12:00 AM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> You folks get my vent because i cant anywherr else. So like 7 years ago
>> we took in my old ladys nephews because, well fuckwit parents. FYI the
>> foster care system is aweful. We fostered them for a year and half while
>> her brother and baby momma sorted their shit, or so we thought. The 18
>> month old at the time had a club foot, i had to build a sleeping rig with
>> some shoes with the ankles hooked together and the toes locked outward with
>> a ruler, i worked his legs in and out til his hip popped one night, i
>> thought i broke his hip, but it was just something going back. The 4 year
>> old you couldbt understand cause they thought baby talk was cute so they
>> never taught him to speak. We fixed that, and that was the least bad of the
>> fuckery. This was me, the old lady, a1,2,4,and 5 year old with our 2 in a
>> tiny 2 bedroom.
>> Finally got these boys shaped up and bought a house for room, and a week
>> later they gave them back to the mom. The old ladies brother never did what
>> he was supposed to.
>> Now today was their grandmas (my old ladies step moms) funeral, so whats
>> this trashcan do? Gets arrested for selling fucking meth
>> So dealing with all that comes with a funeral, we had to be late dealing
>> with the child services people. Get all that squared away, get through the
>> funeral and now find out we also get the joy of headlice.
>> Seriously, fucking shit fuck. How do people do this shit to kids, theyre
>> not just a thing you have while doing other things.
>>
>> Im not lawfully allowed to discuss any of this with anyone who is
>> remotely involved, i figure none of you are.
>>
>> But seriously, what the fuck, you get your kids back and sell meth. And
>> theyre already asking if they sign their righys if they can see the kids
>> still.
>>
>> I have very few skills, and none of rhem involve the ability to not want
>> to feed these people lead
>>
>

[AFMUG] 27k grid tieback solar co troller with generator, in an ac condenser

[Steve Jones]

One of our customers is a plumbing outfit. They had a solar panel in their
dispay the other day, so of course i was curious, given our region isnt
solar goodwell.
This thing is big ish, like 4x4x4. But for standby generator, condenser and
grid tie back controller (no batts or panels) 27kw 10k didnt seem terrible.
I forgot the btu potential on the codenser, i assume it matyers