Re: [AFMUG] AE NID/ONT

[fiberrun]

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 8:14 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
> FML is all I have to say. If it was up to me, it'd be GPON.
So, why not put a splitter in the CO, use GPON and call it a day?

Do you need more than a hundred or so drops that they already have?

Jared

Re: [AFMUG] AE NID/ONT

[Eric Kuhnke]

AE with two strands to every house can be done properly from the outset if
somebody who knows what they're doing designs the OSP topology and
pedestal/cabinet locations and specs. Sounds like it was done by people
with more enthusiasm than experience and common sense. Sounds messy.



On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 8:14 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

> Mainly because customers can't keep their hands off of the RB2011. And all
> we really need is a copper GigE demarc. I agree with Josh. I want to stay
> away from something as simple as a media converter-like device. Managed is
> preferred so we can keep an eye on Rx power levels, etc. And an outdoor
> NID/ONT-like device is easier for the contractor grunts to understand.
>
> I'll explain a little bit of the long story. We got involved in the
> project well after the planning stages, fiber was already in the ground.
> They had no idea what they were doing. The network owner got sold (more
> like pushed) into doing AE by, lets call them intellectual, theory oriented
> know-it-alls. You know, because it's more better, everybody will get a full
> gigabit... on a RB2011 that will do 400Mbps at best and wireless that isn't
> worth shit. I said, OK if that's what you want, that's fine. We can do bidi
> and put on twice the number of customers vs two-strand. You got 288 in the
> ground, we can connect 288 customers. Nope. Clearfield built them a couple
> HUNDRED pre-terminated duplex drop cables and a couple dozen peds designed
> for it.
>
> FML is all I have to say. If it was up to me, it'd be GPON.
>
>
> On 8/16/2016 9:30 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
> I've been using the RB260GS in an ONT enclosure. Also has a SFP cage. Any
> reason you need something natively outdoor?
>
> On Tuesday, August 16, 2016, George Skorup  wrote:
>
>> Is anyone aware of an outdoor active ethernet NID? I see some stuff from
>> Adtran, Calix, etc, but it's all BiDi/WDM optics. Problem is, all of this
>> existing stuff is pre-terminated fixed duplex LC (they cannot be split).
>> Long story.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AE NID/ONT

[Jason McKemie]

The 260GS has the Rx power level with the latest FW, and can do as much
speed as you need. I'm doing AE, and wouldn't want to do PON with my
deployment. I was using the outdoor Occam ONTs for the first several
customers, and honestly I prefer managing the Mikrotiks since I'm not going
to pay for Calix's management system. The installation is also simpler
since I can do PoE to the 'tiks. Customers don't really mess with them
since they're outside. You also cannot beat the price. Just sayin'.

On Tuesday, August 16, 2016, George Skorup  wrote:

> Mainly because customers can't keep their hands off of the RB2011. And all
> we really need is a copper GigE demarc. I agree with Josh. I want to stay
> away from something as simple as a media converter-like device. Managed is
> preferred so we can keep an eye on Rx power levels, etc. And an outdoor
> NID/ONT-like device is easier for the contractor grunts to understand.
>
> I'll explain a little bit of the long story. We got involved in the
> project well after the planning stages, fiber was already in the ground.
> They had no idea what they were doing. The network owner got sold (more
> like pushed) into doing AE by, lets call them intellectual, theory oriented
> know-it-alls. You know, because it's more better, everybody will get a full
> gigabit... on a RB2011 that will do 400Mbps at best and wireless that isn't
> worth shit. I said, OK if that's what you want, that's fine. We can do bidi
> and put on twice the number of customers vs two-strand. You got 288 in the
> ground, we can connect 288 customers. Nope. Clearfield built them a couple
> HUNDRED pre-terminated duplex drop cables and a couple dozen peds designed
> for it.
>
> FML is all I have to say. If it was up to me, it'd be GPON.
>
> On 8/16/2016 9:30 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
> I've been using the RB260GS in an ONT enclosure. Also has a SFP cage. Any
> reason you need something natively outdoor?
>
> On Tuesday, August 16, 2016, George Skorup  > wrote:
>
>> Is anyone aware of an outdoor active ethernet NID? I see some stuff from
>> Adtran, Calix, etc, but it's all BiDi/WDM optics. Problem is, all of this
>> existing stuff is pre-terminated fixed duplex LC (they cannot be split).
>> Long story.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AE NID/ONT

[George Skorup]

Mainly because customers can't keep their hands off of the RB2011. And 
all we really need is a copper GigE demarc. I agree with Josh. I want to 
stay away from something as simple as a media converter-like device. 
Managed is preferred so we can keep an eye on Rx power levels, etc. And 
an outdoor NID/ONT-like device is easier for the contractor grunts to 
understand.


I'll explain a little bit of the long story. We got involved in the 
project well after the planning stages, fiber was already in the ground. 
They had no idea what they were doing. The network owner got sold (more 
like pushed) into doing AE by, lets call them intellectual, theory 
oriented know-it-alls. You know, because it's more better, everybody 
will get a full gigabit... on a RB2011 that will do 400Mbps at best and 
wireless that isn't worth shit. I said, OK if that's what you want, 
that's fine. We can do bidi and put on twice the number of customers vs 
two-strand. You got 288 in the ground, we can connect 288 customers. 
Nope. Clearfield built them a couple HUNDRED pre-terminated duplex drop 
cables and a couple dozen peds designed for it.


FML is all I have to say. If it was up to me, it'd be GPON.

On 8/16/2016 9:30 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
I've been using the RB260GS in an ONT enclosure. Also has a SFP cage. 
Any reason you need something natively outdoor?


On Tuesday, August 16, 2016, George Skorup > wrote:


Is anyone aware of an outdoor active ethernet NID? I see some
stuff from Adtran, Calix, etc, but it's all BiDi/WDM optics.
Problem is, all of this existing stuff is pre-terminated fixed
duplex LC (they cannot be split). Long story.

Re: [AFMUG] AE NID/ONT

[Jason McKemie]

I've been using the RB260GS in an ONT enclosure. Also has a SFP cage. Any
reason you need something natively outdoor?

On Tuesday, August 16, 2016, George Skorup  wrote:

> Is anyone aware of an outdoor active ethernet NID? I see some stuff from
> Adtran, Calix, etc, but it's all BiDi/WDM optics. Problem is, all of this
> existing stuff is pre-terminated fixed duplex LC (they cannot be split).
> Long story.
>

Re: [AFMUG] AE NID/ONT

[Josh Reynolds]

That's not even close to a real NID though, in terms of features, controls,
monitoring and management.

If you're just looking for the cheapest possible demarc, then fine. If
you're throwing out names like Ciena, Calix, AdTran, Huawei, Accedian,
etc... That's a totally different ball of wax.

It would be like comparing a rb2011 to a Juniper MX5... Both are routers! :)

On Aug 16, 2016 9:14 PM, "Steve Utick"  wrote:

> Maybe something like the MikroTik RBFTC11?  https://www.roc-noc.com/
> mikrotik/routerboard/fiber/RBFTC11.html
>
> Has an SFP cage, so you could put whatever optics in it you need?
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 7:15 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
>
>> Is anyone aware of an outdoor active ethernet NID? I see some stuff from
>> Adtran, Calix, etc, but it's all BiDi/WDM optics. Problem is, all of this
>> existing stuff is pre-terminated fixed duplex LC (they cannot be split).
>> Long story.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AE NID/ONT

[Steve Utick]

Maybe something like the MikroTik RBFTC11?
https://www.roc-noc.com/mikrotik/routerboard/fiber/RBFTC11.html

Has an SFP cage, so you could put whatever optics in it you need?


On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 7:15 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

> Is anyone aware of an outdoor active ethernet NID? I see some stuff from
> Adtran, Calix, etc, but it's all BiDi/WDM optics. Problem is, all of this
> existing stuff is pre-terminated fixed duplex LC (they cannot be split).
> Long story.
>

[AFMUG] AE NID/ONT

[George Skorup]

Is anyone aware of an outdoor active ethernet NID? I see some stuff from 
Adtran, Calix, etc, but it's all BiDi/WDM optics. Problem is, all of 
this existing stuff is pre-terminated fixed duplex LC (they cannot be 
split). Long story.