Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Buildout Forum

2015-02-10 Thread That One Guy
have you come across anybody who tried to splice their own fiber with redcaps like they do with Ethernet? On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 9:12 AM, Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.com wrote: We run fiber inside. Wall mount the CPE, bend insensitive tight buffer cable with field installed connection,

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2015-02-10 Thread Chris Fabien
We run fiber inside. Wall mount the CPE, bend insensitive tight buffer cable with field installed connection, stapled to wall so it can't get snagged. Educate customer it is not user serviceable and provide costs for a service call to re-terminate or splice fiber. No problems yet. Some resistance

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2015-02-10 Thread Bill Prince
that would be funny bp part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com On 2/10/2015 8:08 AM, That One Guy wrote: have you come across anybody who tried to splice their own fiber with redcaps like they do with Ethernet? On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 9:12 AM, Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.com mailto:ch...@lakenetmi.com

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2015-02-10 Thread Sterling Jacobson
. My company isn’t structured that way right now. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Monday, February 09, 2015 8:23 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Buildout Forum Sterling, Are you paying 12% interest to investors on a 5 year note

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2015-02-10 Thread Bill Prince
it would make sense to bring in fiber 10 miles, then put up a wireless POP to the neighborhood/city. It’s all in the numbers. *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy *Sent:* Tuesday, February 10, 2015 9:39 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Buildout Forum

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2015-02-10 Thread That One Guy
*Sent:* Monday, February 09, 2015 8:23 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Buildout Forum Sterling, Are you paying 12% interest to investors on a 5 year note for these builds? Where are you finding these investors to fund the neighborhood builds? Kurt Fankhauser

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2015-02-10 Thread Sterling Jacobson
. It’s all in the numbers. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 9:39 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Buildout Forum So what is the minimum number of houses within a particular geographic area that would make it cost

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2015-02-10 Thread Ken Hohhof
with a $300 install for 7 years free Internet, because they move a lot, and because the landlord would have to approve the install and would get the benefit of the 7 years. From: That One Guy Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 10:38 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Buildout Forum So

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2015-02-10 Thread Chuck McCown
I like to have a cluster of 6 to make it worthwhile. From: Sterling Jacobson Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 9:46 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Buildout Forum I don’t know, it’s all just math. So I cost it out and if I like it then I do it, right? Generally for us

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2015-02-10 Thread Mark Radabaugh
] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser *Sent:* Monday, February 09, 2015 8:23 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Buildout Forum Sterling, Are you paying 12% interest to investors on a 5 year note for these builds? Where are you finding

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2015-02-10 Thread Chuck McCown
I think some of these lots are 40 foot wide. From: Bill Prince Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 10:17 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Buildout Forum 100ft lots huh? Out here there is a 40 acre minimum lot size. One of our subscribers is on 1200 acres. There are a bunch

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2015-02-10 Thread Mark - Myakka Technologies
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Buildout Forum

2015-02-09 Thread TJ Trout
They change to cat 5 on the outside of the house On Feb 9, 2015 7:37 AM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: How do you protect the fiber from the customer in the house as far as keeping them from sullying up the glass connecting and disconnecting it? Do you find as high an incidence

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Buildout Forum

2015-02-09 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
never dream of trying to do it myself. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince *Sent:* Monday, February 09, 2015 7:20 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Buildout Forum I'm sure he will answer, but I think he's hiring contractors where needed

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2015-02-09 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller
he has i believe two companies who do fiber work as silent partners in his business. they are a profit share - Original Message - From: Bill Prince To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, February 09, 2015 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Buildout Forum I'm sure he will answer

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2015-02-09 Thread That One Guy
How do you protect the fiber from the customer in the house as far as keeping them from sullying up the glass connecting and disconnecting it? Do you find as high an incidence of cut fiber in the home as with Ethernet runs or do customers seem to be more wary of the fiber run? On Fri, Feb 6, 2015

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2015-02-09 Thread That One Guy
I was asking Jason Pond, it sounds like he runs fiber to the inside On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 10:27 AM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote: They change to cat 5 on the outside of the house On Feb 9, 2015 7:37 AM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: How do you protect the fiber from the

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2015-02-09 Thread Jason Pond
We are planning on running fiber to inside. We will be using bend insensitive and labeling DO NOT TOUCH. There should be no reason for the customer to touch the fiber. I know Chuck Hogg does it this way also and as far as I know he has not had any problems. Sincerely, Jason Pond Grizzly

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2015-02-09 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
wrote: Hmmm… it shouldn’t block PDFs. Resending Sterling’s PDF as a test Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 2:41 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Buildout Forum I have had pdfs blocked before

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2015-02-09 Thread Bill Prince
[mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown *Sent:* Sunday, February 08, 2015 2:41 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Buildout Forum I have had pdfs blocked before. *From:*Paul McCall mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net *Sent:*Sunday, February 08, 2015 7:05 AM

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2015-02-09 Thread Gino Villarini
@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Monday, February 9, 2015 at 10:15 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Buildout Forum Is sterling doing his builds with sub contractors instead of doing the work himself? Sent from my iPhone Kurt

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2015-02-08 Thread Paul McCall
Chuck, Are you attaching a power point file or PDF? I know pdf is allowed From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2015 7:51 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Buildout Forum I attached it per my sent items...trying again. Regards

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2015-02-08 Thread Chuck McCown
It strips pdf attachments but allows JPG. Not sure what other work or don’t work. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2015 5:35 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Buildout Forum The list strips a lot of attachments now. Also, people often forget to attach

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2015-02-08 Thread Chuck McCown
I have had pdfs blocked before. From: Paul McCall Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 7:05 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Buildout Forum Chuck, Are you attaching a power point file or PDF? I know pdf is allowed From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck

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2015-02-07 Thread Mike Hammett
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Buildout Forum Not seeing an attachment on this email. ? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2015 3:36 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Buildout Forum 1. Attached. 2. RB2011 or GPON ONU. Flat

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2015-02-07 Thread Bryan
Nope, nothing. Might want to try tossing it in a public dropbox folder or linking to it from a website. Or if you'd like to send it off-list, I'll toss it up and throw up a link. On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 5:50 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: I attached it per my sent items...trying again.

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2015-02-07 Thread Paul McCall
Not seeing an attachment on this email. ? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2015 3:36 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Buildout Forum 1. Attached. 2. RB2011 or GPON ONU. Flat drop to side of the house, outdoor NID where

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2015-02-07 Thread Josh Luthman
There are Powercode users with fttp customers. It's ask Ethernet so it will work. There isn't any auto config stuff though, you'll get DHCP and bandwidth shaping only. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Feb 7, 2015 2:36 PM, Chuck

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Buildout Forum

2015-02-07 Thread Chuck Hogg
I attached it per my sent items...trying again. Regards, Chuck On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: 1. Attached. 2. RB2011 or GPON ONU. Flat drop to side of the house, outdoor NID where flat drop is terminated, either a 50-75' jumper or bend insensitive

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2015-02-06 Thread Paul McCall
BIG +1 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 9:08 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Buildout Forum Im interested in the powerpoints as well. Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126

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2015-02-06 Thread Jason Pond
SEE INLINE RED 1. Would you be able to make those power points available to the list? I LEAVE THIS TO STERLING AND CHUCK TO POST 2. What all equipment do you actually have at the house? Are you running the fiber up to the house and then making it the customers responsibility from there? Or are

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2015-02-06 Thread Matt Brendle
] Fiber Buildout Forum SEE INLINE RED 1. Would you be able to make those power points available to the list? I LEAVE THIS TO STERLING AND CHUCK TO POST 2. What all equipment do you actually have at the house? Are you running the fiber up to the house and then making it the customers

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2015-02-06 Thread Sterling Jacobson
@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Buildout Forum Sterling, How do you get the transport from the data center to the neighborhoods ? Af24 then licensed ? Or somehow run fiber all the way back to the data center ? On Feb 6, 2015 4:46 PM, Sterling Jacobson sterl...@avative.netmailto:sterl

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2015-02-06 Thread Jason Pond
, February 06, 2015 4:08 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Buildout Forum SEE INLINE RED 1. Would you be able to make those power points available to the list? I LEAVE THIS TO STERLING AND CHUCK TO POST 2. What all equipment do you actually have at the house? Are you

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2015-02-06 Thread TJ Trout
the physical layer is. 5. We are small and use spreadsheets. Will probably transition to GIS tracking software. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Trevor Bough *Sent:* Friday, February 06, 2015 5:37 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Fiber Buildout Forum

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2015-02-06 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Im interested in the powerpoints as well. Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Feb 6, 2015, at 5:36 AM, Trevor Bough trevorbo...@gmail.com wrote: Hey guys, I really enjoyed

[AFMUG] Fiber Buildout Forum

2015-02-06 Thread Trevor Bough
Hey guys, I really enjoyed the fiber build out forum and have come up with a few questions since lunch yesterday: 1. Would you be able to make those power points available to the list? 2. What all equipment do you actually have at the house? Are you running the fiber up to the house and then