Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations

2024-11-07 Thread Adam Moffett 
I have not, but I'll check it out.  Our installers are using some stupid
OTDR from Viavi.  It has dynamic range to go 100,000ft or some such, but it
stops the trace when it hits 2.5dB of total attenuation.   It also *only*
has the auto/smart mode.  They just push a "test" button and the machine
either tests the whole drop or it stops the test at the first problem
(wherever the 2.5dB limit is reached). I wanted to teach them how to read
the trace, but they can't actually *see *the trace.

The intention is that the installer is only testing the drop cable up to
the splitter/tap point, and the manufacturer pitches it as "no training
required".  They're right, and I can understand the use case, but the
reason I think this machine is stupid is because it's a fully functional
OTDR and the limits are applied in software, so it costs $4,500 or some
such.  It's like buying your kid a Mustang and adding a restrictor plate
so he can't drive over 55.  If they'd bought these guys real OTDR's I'd
have gladly taught them how to use them.


On Tue, Nov 5, 2024 at 1:30 PM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Has anyone used the Exfo Optical Explorer?  Looks like it is essentially a
> simplified OTDR with other functionality, but should work for basic
> fault-finding.
>
>
> https://www.exfo.com/en/products/field-network-testing/xpon-wifi-speed-test/opticalexplorer/
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 30, 2024 at 8:17 AM  wrote:
>
>> Yeah I’d love if I could find one of those cheap OTDR’s at 1650nm.  Last
>> time I looked all the cheapos were 1310 or 1550.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@go-mtc.com
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 29, 2024 5:04 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations
>>
>>
>>
>> You can shoot active pon fiber with the right wavelengths and filters.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 29, 2024 2:58 PM
>>
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations
>>
>>
>>
>> IDK what you mean by PON features unless you want an inline unit to watch
>> the traffic.  Veex just came out with one that will do that.  I don't see
>> the need, but it is cool.
>>
>>
>>
>> We bought the one (or one like) Cassidy linked and then bought this
>> second:
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CW3B9ZM8/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
>>
>> Cassidy - get a super cheap/fast PON meter that just reads the light from
>> the OLT rather than waiting for the OTDR to boot.  Or just clamp and see if
>> there is light -
>> https://www.amazon.com/YEDEMC-Optical-Identifier-800-1700nm-Functions/dp/B09JLL6NPM/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 29, 2024 at 4:45 PM Cassidy B. Larson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> We’ve been getting these smaller OTDR/VFL/OPMs from Amazon for our field
>> techs. This way they can see if there’s a problem with the drop at least.
>> If it’s anything past that, the splicers with the fancier/costlier OTDRs
>> get involved.  Price point is right and it does what they need it to do.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/YEDEMC-Mini-Pro-Mulit-Function-5m-60Km-Dynamic/dp/B092LNWZ4Y/
>>
>>
>>
>> -c
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 29, 2024, at 2:39 PM, Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Does anyone have any recommendations for an OTDR that won't break the
>> bank but is reasonably easy to use? My Exfo just stopped powering up today,
>> so evidently I'm in the market for a new one. The Exfo is about 14 years
>> old, so I assume they've come a little ways since then. I don't need
>> anything for super long distances, mainly just access, PON features are a
>> plus. --
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Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations

2024-11-05 Thread Jason McKemie 
Has anyone used the Exfo Optical Explorer?  Looks like it is essentially a
simplified OTDR with other functionality, but should work for basic
fault-finding.

https://www.exfo.com/en/products/field-network-testing/xpon-wifi-speed-test/opticalexplorer/



On Wed, Oct 30, 2024 at 8:17 AM  wrote:

> Yeah I’d love if I could find one of those cheap OTDR’s at 1650nm.  Last
> time I looked all the cheapos were 1310 or 1550.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@go-mtc.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 29, 2024 5:04 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations
>
>
>
> You can shoot active pon fiber with the right wavelengths and filters.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 29, 2024 2:58 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations
>
>
>
> IDK what you mean by PON features unless you want an inline unit to watch
> the traffic.  Veex just came out with one that will do that.  I don't see
> the need, but it is cool.
>
>
>
> We bought the one (or one like) Cassidy linked and then bought this second:
>
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CW3B9ZM8/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
>
> Cassidy - get a super cheap/fast PON meter that just reads the light from
> the OLT rather than waiting for the OTDR to boot.  Or just clamp and see if
> there is light -
> https://www.amazon.com/YEDEMC-Optical-Identifier-800-1700nm-Functions/dp/B09JLL6NPM/
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 29, 2024 at 4:45 PM Cassidy B. Larson 
> wrote:
>
> We’ve been getting these smaller OTDR/VFL/OPMs from Amazon for our field
> techs. This way they can see if there’s a problem with the drop at least.
> If it’s anything past that, the splicers with the fancier/costlier OTDRs
> get involved.  Price point is right and it does what they need it to do.
>
>
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/YEDEMC-Mini-Pro-Mulit-Function-5m-60Km-Dynamic/dp/B092LNWZ4Y/
>
>
>
> -c
>
>
>
> On Oct 29, 2024, at 2:39 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Does anyone have any recommendations for an OTDR that won't break the bank
> but is reasonably easy to use? My Exfo just stopped powering up today, so
> evidently I'm in the market for a new one. The Exfo is about 14 years old,
> so I assume they've come a little ways since then. I don't need anything
> for super long distances, mainly just access, PON features are a plus. --
> AF mailing list
> AF@af.afmug.com
> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations

2024-11-05 Thread Dev 
Excavators are pretty good at inducing loss, and you don’t have to run around 
looking for cold things.

> On Nov 5, 2024, at 9:54 AM, fiberrun--- via AF  wrote:
> 
> I don't know if dry ice is cold enough to induce a loss event. Dry ice is 
> barely colder than the normal operating temperature of the cable. Liquid 
> nitrogen is significantly colder and even so only induces a 0.2 dB loss event.
>  
> There is always risk of thermal stress with such low temperatures, but the 
> clamping tool is supposed to help with that.
>  
>  
> Jared
>  
> Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2024
> From: ch...@go-mtc.com
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Cc: fiber...@mail.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations
> Interesting.  Have never heard of that.  Are there dangers of the plastic 
> cracking etc?
> Can you do it with dry ice?  Much easier to get. 
>  
>  
> From: fiberrun--- via AF <>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2024 10:15 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com <>
> Cc: fiber...@mail.com <>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations
>  
> You can also cold clamp the fiber cable with liquid nitrogen to induce a 
> temperature dependent loss event to pin point your location. No cable cutting 
> needed.
>  
>  
> Jared
>  
>  
> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2024 at 6:51 PM
> From: "Ken Hohhof" 
> To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'" 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations
> Can you improve the accuracy by testing from both ends?
> 
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@go-mtc.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2024 12:33 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations
> 
>  
> Still, length is not an exact science with OTDRs.  Especially if it is a long 
> shot. 
> 
> Every fiber has a different index of refraction and velocity factor.  And 
> these characteristics vary along the entire length of the fiber.
> 
> Then there is twist in the tube, wavering routes and slack loops etc.And 
> there is also timebase accuracy, which varies with temperature...
> 
>  
> So if you have gopher damage in the desert and the closest hand hole is 10 
> miles away, you will have to dig and cut several times before you zero in on 
> it. 
> 
>  
>  
> From: Dev
> 
> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2024 10:39 AM
> 
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations
> 
>  
> We had a $300 OTDR. The only thing it didn’t do was estimate length very well 
> if it worked at all.
> 
>  
> My friend asked how much money we’d save if we dug up the wrong lady’s yard 
> to replace a fiber that wasn’t broken.
> 
>  
> Then we bought a Viavi, waited for a show discount. Now we can dig up the 
> right lady’s lawn.
> 
> 
>  
> 
> On Oct 31, 2024, at 8:14 AM, Josh Luthman > 
> wrote:
> 
>  
> Metronet :P
> 
>  
> On Thu, Oct 31, 2024 at 11:12 AM Mike Hammett > wrote:
> 
> Josh, which competitor? I've seen similar things out of MetroNet.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> 
> 
>  
> 
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2024 6:56:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> I thought the same thing.  I had to cancel their service after just a week or 
> two because streaming was absolutely a joke (looked to me like their peering 
> was full, couldn't get any kind of capacity beyond their network).  They left 
> this convenient wall plate with an APC bulkhead just sitting here... 
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>  
> On Tue, Oct 29, 2024 at 5:29 PM  wrote: 
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> I have always wanted to connect a source of upstream light to my connection 
> at home.  (Served by a competitor).  Wonder how long it would take to 
> troubleshoot.  Especially if I made it randomly intermittent and on a timer.  
> Perhaps during the first minute of the superbowl or something...?  
>  <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>  
>  
>  
> From: Jason McKemie <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2024 3:05 PM <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>  
> I know Exfo has units with an optional PON port for connecting to a live 
> on-net f

Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations

2024-11-05 Thread fiberrun--- via AF 
I don't know if dry ice is cold enough to induce a loss event. Dry ice is barely colder than the normal operating temperature of the cable. Liquid nitrogen is significantly colder and even so only induces a 0.2 dB loss event.

 

There is always risk of thermal stress with such low temperatures, but the clamping tool is supposed to help with that.

 

 

Jared

 


Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2024
From: ch...@go-mtc.com
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: fiber...@mail.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations





Interesting.  Have never heard of that.  Are there dangers of the plastic cracking etc?

Can you do it with dry ice?  Much easier to get. 

 



 


From: fiberrun--- via AF

Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2024 10:15 AM

To: af@af.afmug.com

Cc: fiber...@mail.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations



 




You can also cold clamp the fiber cable with liquid nitrogen to induce a temperature dependent loss event to pin point your location. No cable cutting needed.

 

 

Jared

 
 

Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2024 at 6:51 PM
From: "Ken Hohhof" 
To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations




Can you improve the accuracy by testing from both ends?

 



From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@go-mtc.com
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2024 12:33 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations



 




Still, length is not an exact science with OTDRs.  Especially if it is a long shot.  



Every fiber has a different index of refraction and velocity factor.  And these characteristics vary along the entire length of the fiber.



Then there is twist in the tube, wavering routes and slack loops etc.    And there is also timebase accuracy, which varies with temperature...



 



So if you have gopher damage in the desert and the closest hand hole is 10 miles away, you will have to dig and cut several times before you zero in on it.  



 





 




From: Dev 



Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2024 10:39 AM



To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 



Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations





 




We had a $300 OTDR. The only thing it didn’t do was estimate length very well if it worked at all. 


 



My friend asked how much money we’d save if we dug up the wrong lady’s yard to replace a fiber that wasn’t broken.



 



Then we bought a Viavi, waited for a show discount. Now we can dig up the right lady’s lawn.



 



On Oct 31, 2024, at 8:14 AM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:



 




Metronet :P



 




On Thu, Oct 31, 2024 at 11:12 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:






Josh, which competitor? I've seen similar things out of MetroNet.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP


 





From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2024 6:56:31 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations


I thought the same thing.  I had to cancel their service after just a week or two because streaming was absolutely a joke (looked to me like their peering was full, couldn't get any kind of capacity beyond their network).  They left this convenient wall plate with an APC bulkhead just sitting here...



 




On Tue, Oct 29, 2024 at 5:29 PM <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote:







I have always wanted to connect a source of upstream light to my connection at home.  (Served by a competitor).  Wonder how long it would take to troubleshoot.  Especially if I made it randomly intermittent and on a timer.  Perhaps during the first minute of the superbowl or something...?  



 



 





 




From: Jason McKemie 



Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2024 3:05 PM



To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 



Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations





 




I know Exfo has units with an optional PON port for connecting to a live on-net fiber and testing. Maybe this is more or less standard anymore, my current OTDR is a bit dated.

On Tuesday, October 29, 2024, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
> IDK what you mean by PON features unless you want an inline unit to watch the traffic.  Veex just came out with one that will do that.  I don't see the need, but it is cool.
> We bought the one (or one like) Cassidy linked and then bought this second:
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CW3B9ZM8/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
>
> Cassidy - get a super cheap/fast PON meter that just reads the light from the OLT rather than waiting for the OTDR to boot.  Or just clamp and see if there is light - https://www.amazon.com/YEDEMC-Optical-Identifier-800-1700nm-Functions/dp/B09JLL6NPM/
> On Tue, Oct 29, 2024 at 4:45 PM Cassidy B. Larson <c...@infowest.com> wrote:
>>
>> We’ve been getting these smaller OTDR/VFL/OPMs from Amazon for our

Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations

2024-11-05 Thread chuck 
Interesting.  Have never heard of that.  Are there dangers of the plastic 
cracking etc?
Can you do it with dry ice?  Much easier to get.  


From: fiberrun--- via AF 
Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2024 10:15 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Cc: fiber...@mail.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations

You can also cold clamp the fiber cable with liquid nitrogen to induce a 
temperature dependent loss event to pin point your location. No cable cutting 
needed.


Jared
  
  
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2024 at 6:51 PM
From: "Ken Hohhof" 
To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations
Can you improve the accuracy by testing from both ends?



From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@go-mtc.com
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2024 12:33 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations



Still, length is not an exact science with OTDRs.  Especially if it is a long 
shot.  

Every fiber has a different index of refraction and velocity factor.  And these 
characteristics vary along the entire length of the fiber.

Then there is twist in the tube, wavering routes and slack loops etc.And 
there is also timebase accuracy, which varies with temperature...



So if you have gopher damage in the desert and the closest hand hole is 10 
miles away, you will have to dig and cut several times before you zero in on 
it.  





From: Dev 

Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2024 10:39 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations



We had a $300 OTDR. The only thing it didn’t do was estimate length very well 
if it worked at all. 



My friend asked how much money we’d save if we dug up the wrong lady’s yard to 
replace a fiber that wasn’t broken.



Then we bought a Viavi, waited for a show discount. Now we can dig up the right 
lady’s lawn.


 

  On Oct 31, 2024, at 8:14 AM, Josh Luthman  wrote:



  Metronet :P



  On Thu, Oct 31, 2024 at 11:12 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

Josh, which competitor? I've seen similar things out of MetroNet.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP


 




From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2024 6:56:31 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations

I thought the same thing.  I had to cancel their service after just a week 
or two because streaming was absolutely a joke (looked to me like their peering 
was full, couldn't get any kind of capacity beyond their network).  They left 
this convenient wall plate with an APC bulkhead just sitting here...



On Tue, Oct 29, 2024 at 5:29 PM  wrote:

  I have always wanted to connect a source of upstream light to my 
connection at home.  (Served by a competitor).  Wonder how long it would take 
to troubleshoot.  Especially if I made it randomly intermittent and on a timer. 
 Perhaps during the first minute of the superbowl or something...?  








  From: Jason McKemie 

  Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2024 3:05 PM

      To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations



  I know Exfo has units with an optional PON port for connecting to a live 
on-net fiber and testing. Maybe this is more or less standard anymore, my 
current OTDR is a bit dated.

  On Tuesday, October 29, 2024, Josh Luthman  
wrote:
  > IDK what you mean by PON features unless you want an inline unit to 
watch the traffic.  Veex just came out with one that will do that.  I don't see 
the need, but it is cool.
  > We bought the one (or one like) Cassidy linked and then bought this 
second:
  > 
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CW3B9ZM8/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
  >
  > Cassidy - get a super cheap/fast PON meter that just reads the light 
from the OLT rather than waiting for the OTDR to boot.  Or just clamp and see 
if there is light - 
https://www.amazon.com/YEDEMC-Optical-Identifier-800-1700nm-Functions/dp/B09JLL6NPM/
  > On Tue, Oct 29, 2024 at 4:45 PM Cassidy B. Larson  
wrote:
  >>
  >> We’ve been getting these smaller OTDR/VFL/OPMs from Amazon for our 
field techs. This way they can see if there’s a problem with the drop at least. 
If it’s anything past that, the splicers with the fancier/costlier OTDRs get 
involved.  Price point is right and it does what they need it to do.
  >> 
https://www.amazon.com/YEDEMC-Mini-Pro-Mulit-Function-5m-60Km-Dynamic/dp/B092LNWZ4Y/
  >>
  >> -c
  >>
  >> On Oct 29, 2024, at 2:39 PM, Jason McKemie 
 wrote:
  >> Does anyone have any recommendations for an OTDR that won't break the 
bank but is reasonably easy to use? My Exfo just stopped powering up

Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations

2024-11-05 Thread fiberrun--- via AF 
You can also cold clamp the fiber cable with liquid nitrogen to induce a temperature dependent loss event to pin point your location. No cable cutting needed.

 

 

Jared

 
 

Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2024 at 6:51 PM
From: "Ken Hohhof" 
To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations




Can you improve the accuracy by testing from both ends?

 



From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@go-mtc.com
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2024 12:33 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations



 




Still, length is not an exact science with OTDRs.  Especially if it is a long shot.  



Every fiber has a different index of refraction and velocity factor.  And these characteristics vary along the entire length of the fiber.



Then there is twist in the tube, wavering routes and slack loops etc.    And there is also timebase accuracy, which varies with temperature...



 



So if you have gopher damage in the desert and the closest hand hole is 10 miles away, you will have to dig and cut several times before you zero in on it.  



 





 




From: Dev 



Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2024 10:39 AM



To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 



Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations





 




We had a $300 OTDR. The only thing it didn’t do was estimate length very well if it worked at all. 


 



My friend asked how much money we’d save if we dug up the wrong lady’s yard to replace a fiber that wasn’t broken.



 



Then we bought a Viavi, waited for a show discount. Now we can dig up the right lady’s lawn.



 



On Oct 31, 2024, at 8:14 AM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:



 




Metronet :P



 




On Thu, Oct 31, 2024 at 11:12 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:






Josh, which competitor? I've seen similar things out of MetroNet.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP


 





From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2024 6:56:31 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations


I thought the same thing.  I had to cancel their service after just a week or two because streaming was absolutely a joke (looked to me like their peering was full, couldn't get any kind of capacity beyond their network).  They left this convenient wall plate with an APC bulkhead just sitting here...



 




On Tue, Oct 29, 2024 at 5:29 PM <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote:







I have always wanted to connect a source of upstream light to my connection at home.  (Served by a competitor).  Wonder how long it would take to troubleshoot.  Especially if I made it randomly intermittent and on a timer.  Perhaps during the first minute of the superbowl or something...?  



 



 





 




From: Jason McKemie 



Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2024 3:05 PM



To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 



Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations





 




I know Exfo has units with an optional PON port for connecting to a live on-net fiber and testing. Maybe this is more or less standard anymore, my current OTDR is a bit dated.

On Tuesday, October 29, 2024, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
> IDK what you mean by PON features unless you want an inline unit to watch the traffic.  Veex just came out with one that will do that.  I don't see the need, but it is cool.
> We bought the one (or one like) Cassidy linked and then bought this second:
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CW3B9ZM8/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
>
> Cassidy - get a super cheap/fast PON meter that just reads the light from the OLT rather than waiting for the OTDR to boot.  Or just clamp and see if there is light - https://www.amazon.com/YEDEMC-Optical-Identifier-800-1700nm-Functions/dp/B09JLL6NPM/
> On Tue, Oct 29, 2024 at 4:45 PM Cassidy B. Larson <c...@infowest.com> wrote:
>>
>> We’ve been getting these smaller OTDR/VFL/OPMs from Amazon for our field techs. This way they can see if there’s a problem with the drop at least. If it’s anything past that, the splicers with the fancier/costlier OTDRs get involved.  Price point is right and it does what they need it to do.
>> https://www.amazon.com/YEDEMC-Mini-Pro-Mulit-Function-5m-60Km-Dynamic/dp/B092LNWZ4Y/
>>
>> -c
>>
>> On Oct 29, 2024, at 2:39 PM, Jason McKemie <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>> Does anyone have any recommendations for an OTDR that won't break the bank but is reasonably easy to use? My Exfo just stopped powering up today, so evidently I'm in the market for a new one. The Exfo is about 14 years old, so I assume they've come a little ways since then. I don't need anything for super long distances, mainly just access, PON f

Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations

2024-10-31 Thread Mike Hammett 
Sure, but most people don't have that scenario. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: ch...@go-mtc.com 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2024 12:32:32 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations 




Still, length is not an exact science with OTDRs. Especially if it is a long 
shot. 
Every fiber has a different index of refraction and velocity factor. And these 
characteristics vary along the entire length of the fiber. 
Then there is twist in the tube, wavering routes and slack loops etc. And there 
is also timebase accuracy, which varies with temperature... 

So if you have gopher damage in the desert and the closest hand hole is 10 
miles away, you will have to dig and cut several times before you zero in on 
it. 





From: Dev 
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2024 10:39 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations 

We had a $300 OTDR. The only thing it didn’t do was estimate length very well 
if it worked at all. 

My friend asked how much money we’d save if we dug up the wrong lady’s yard to 
replace a fiber that wasn’t broken. 

Then we bought a Viavi, waited for a show discount. Now we can dig up the right 
lady’s lawn. 





On Oct 31, 2024, at 8:14 AM, Josh Luthman  wrote: 


Metronet :P 


On Thu, Oct 31, 2024 at 11:12 AM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 





Josh, which competitor? I've seen similar things out of MetroNet. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > 
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2024 6:56:31 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations 


I thought the same thing. I had to cancel their service after just a week or 
two because streaming was absolutely a joke (looked to me like their peering 
was full, couldn't get any kind of capacity beyond their network). They left 
this convenient wall plate with an APC bulkhead just sitting here... 


On Tue, Oct 29, 2024 at 5:29 PM < ch...@go-mtc.com > wrote: 






I have always wanted to connect a source of upstream light to my connection at 
home. (Served by a competitor). Wonder how long it would take to troubleshoot. 
Especially if I made it randomly intermittent and on a timer. Perhaps during 
the first minute of the superbowl or something...? 
 






From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2024 3:05 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations 

I know Exfo has units with an optional PON port for connecting to a live on-net 
fiber and testing. Maybe this is more or less standard anymore, my current OTDR 
is a bit dated. 

On Tuesday, October 29, 2024, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
wrote: 
> IDK what you mean by PON features unless you want an inline unit to watch the 
> traffic. Veex just came out with one that will do that. I don't see the need, 
> but it is cool. 
> We bought the one (or one like) Cassidy linked and then bought this second: 
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CW3B9ZM8/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
>  
> 
> Cassidy - get a super cheap/fast PON meter that just reads the light from the 
> OLT rather than waiting for the OTDR to boot. Or just clamp and see if there 
> is light - 
> https://www.amazon.com/YEDEMC-Optical-Identifier-800-1700nm-Functions/dp/B09JLL6NPM/
>  
> On Tue, Oct 29, 2024 at 4:45 PM Cassidy B. Larson < c...@infowest.com > 
> wrote: 
>> 
>> We’ve been getting these smaller OTDR/VFL/OPMs from Amazon for our field 
>> techs. This way they can see if there’s a problem with the drop at least. If 
>> it’s anything past that, the splicers with the fancier/costlier OTDRs get 
>> involved. Price point is right and it does what they need it to do. 
>> https://www.amazon.com/YEDEMC-Mini-Pro-Mulit-Function-5m-60Km-Dynamic/dp/B092LNWZ4Y/
>>  
>> 
>> -c 
>> 
>> On Oct 29, 2024, at 2:39 PM, Jason McKemie < 
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com > wrote: 
>> Does anyone have any recommendations for an OTDR that won't break the bank 
>> but is reasonably easy to use? My Exfo just stopped powering up today, so 
>> evidently I'm in the market for a new one. The Exfo is about 14 years old, 
>> so I assume they've come a little ways since then. I don't need anything for 
>> super long distances, mainly just access, PON features are a plus. -- 
>> AF mailing list 
>> AF@af.afmug.com 
>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com 
>> 
>> -- 
>> AF mailing list 
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations

2024-10-31 Thread Josh Luthman 
The $300 OTDR has been accurate in the two? situations we've had to use
it.  It was between two HH in the first case (broken fiber we hit with a
tool) and the second stopped right at an intersection (ants ate fiber 30).

On Thu, Oct 31, 2024 at 12:42 PM Dev  wrote:

> We had a $300 OTDR. The only thing it didn’t do was estimate length very
> well if it worked at all.
>
> My friend asked how much money we’d save if we dug up the wrong lady’s
> yard to replace a fiber that wasn’t broken.
>
> Then we bought a Viavi, waited for a show discount. Now we can dig up the
> right lady’s lawn.
>
> On Oct 31, 2024, at 8:14 AM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> Metronet :P
>
> On Thu, Oct 31, 2024 at 11:12 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> Josh, which competitor? I've seen similar things out of MetroNet.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, October 29, 2024 6:56:31 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations
>>
>> I thought the same thing.  I had to cancel their service after just a
>> week or two because streaming was absolutely a joke (looked to me like
>> their peering was full, couldn't get any kind of capacity beyond their
>> network).  They left this convenient wall plate with an APC bulkhead just
>> sitting here...
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 29, 2024 at 5:29 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> I have always wanted to connect a source of upstream light to my
>>> connection at home.  (Served by a competitor).  Wonder how long it would
>>> take to troubleshoot.  Especially if I made it randomly intermittent and on
>>> a timer.  Perhaps during the first minute of the superbowl or
>>> something...?  
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Jason McKemie
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 29, 2024 3:05 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations
>>>
>>> I know Exfo has units with an optional PON port for connecting to a live
>>> on-net fiber and testing. Maybe this is more or less standard anymore, my
>>> current OTDR is a bit dated.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 29, 2024, Josh Luthman 
>>> wrote:
>>> > IDK what you mean by PON features unless you want an inline unit to
>>> watch the traffic.  Veex just came out with one that will do that.  I don't
>>> see the need, but it is cool.
>>> > We bought the one (or one like) Cassidy linked and then bought this
>>> second:
>>> >
>>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CW3B9ZM8/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
>>> >
>>> > Cassidy - get a super cheap/fast PON meter that just reads the light
>>> from the OLT rather than waiting for the OTDR to boot.  Or just clamp and
>>> see if there is light -
>>> https://www.amazon.com/YEDEMC-Optical-Identifier-800-1700nm-Functions/dp/B09JLL6NPM/
>>> > On Tue, Oct 29, 2024 at 4:45 PM Cassidy B. Larson 
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> We’ve been getting these smaller OTDR/VFL/OPMs from Amazon for our
>>> field techs. This way they can see if there’s a problem with the drop at
>>> least. If it’s anything past that, the splicers with the fancier/costlier
>>> OTDRs get involved.  Price point is right and it does what they need it to
>>> do.
>>> >>
>>> https://www.amazon.com/YEDEMC-Mini-Pro-Mulit-Function-5m-60Km-Dynamic/dp/B092LNWZ4Y/
>>> >>
>>> >> -c
>>> >>
>>> >> On Oct 29, 2024, at 2:39 PM, Jason McKemie <
>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>> >> Does anyone have any recommendations for an OTDR that won't break the
>>> bank bu

Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations

2024-10-31 Thread chuck 
Yes, and then split the overlap or gap assuming you know what the span length 
really is or should be.  

Best Regards,
Chuck McCown

McCown Technology Corporation 
8401 N Commerce Dr
Lake Point, Utah 84074
801-250-9503 Office
435-830-4306 Cell
www.mccowntech.com
www.microtrench.pro
www.terabitnetworks.com

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2024 11:51 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations

Can you improve the accuracy by testing from both ends?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@go-mtc.com
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2024 12:33 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations

 

Still, length is not an exact science with OTDRs.  Especially if it is a long 
shot.  

Every fiber has a different index of refraction and velocity factor.  And these 
characteristics vary along the entire length of the fiber.

Then there is twist in the tube, wavering routes and slack loops etc.And 
there is also timebase accuracy, which varies with temperature...

 

So if you have gopher damage in the desert and the closest hand hole is 10 
miles away, you will have to dig and cut several times before you zero in on 
it.  

 

 

From: Dev 

Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2024 10:39 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations

 

We had a $300 OTDR. The only thing it didn’t do was estimate length very well 
if it worked at all. 

 

My friend asked how much money we’d save if we dug up the wrong lady’s yard to 
replace a fiber that wasn’t broken.

 

Then we bought a Viavi, waited for a show discount. Now we can dig up the right 
lady’s lawn.





  On Oct 31, 2024, at 8:14 AM, Josh Luthman  wrote:

   

  Metronet :P

   

  On Thu, Oct 31, 2024 at 11:12 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

Josh, which competitor? I've seen similar things out of MetroNet.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2024 6:56:31 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations

I thought the same thing.  I had to cancel their service after just a week 
or two because streaming was absolutely a joke (looked to me like their peering 
was full, couldn't get any kind of capacity beyond their network).  They left 
this convenient wall plate with an APC bulkhead just sitting here...

 

On Tue, Oct 29, 2024 at 5:29 PM  wrote:

  I have always wanted to connect a source of upstream light to my 
connection at home.  (Served by a competitor).  Wonder how long it would take 
to troubleshoot.  Especially if I made it randomly intermittent and on a timer. 
 Perhaps during the first minute of the superbowl or something...?  


   

   

   

  From: Jason McKemie 

  Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2024 3:05 PM

  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations

   

  I know Exfo has units with an optional PON port for connecting to a live 
on-net fiber and testing. Maybe this is more or less standard anymore, my 
current OTDR is a bit dated.

  On Tuesday, October 29, 2024, Josh Luthman  
wrote:
  > IDK what you mean by PON features unless you want an inline unit to 
watch the traffic.  Veex just came out with one that will do that.  I don't see 
the need, but it is cool.
  > We bought the one (or one like) Cassidy linked and then bought this 
second:
  > 
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CW3B9ZM8/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
  >
  > Cassidy - get a super cheap/fast PON meter that just reads the light 
from the OLT rather than waiting for the OTDR to boot.  Or just clamp and see 
if there is light - 
https://www.amazon.com/YEDEMC-Optical-Identifier-800-1700nm-Functions/dp/B09JLL6NPM/
  > On Tue, Oct 29, 2024 at 4:45 PM Cassidy B. Larson  
wrote:
  >>
  >> We’ve been getting these smaller OTDR/VFL/OPMs from Amazon for our 
field techs. This way they can see if there’s a problem with the drop at least. 
If it’s anything past that, the splicers with the fancier/costlier OTDRs get 
involved.  Price point is right and it does what they need it to do.
  >> 
https://www.amazon.com/YEDEMC-Mini-Pro-Mulit-Function-5m-60Km-Dynamic/dp/B092LNWZ4Y/
  >>
  >> -c
  >>
  >> On Oct 29, 2024, at 2:39 PM, Jason McKemie 
 wrote:
  >> Does anyone have any recommendations for an OTDR that won't break the 
bank but is reasonably easy to use? My Exfo just stopped powering up today, so 
evidently I'm in the market for a new one. The Exfo is about 14 years old, so I 
assume they've come a little ways sin

Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations

2024-10-31 Thread Ken Hohhof 
Can you improve the accuracy by testing from both ends?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@go-mtc.com
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2024 12:33 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations

 

Still, length is not an exact science with OTDRs.  Especially if it is a long 
shot.  

Every fiber has a different index of refraction and velocity factor.  And these 
characteristics vary along the entire length of the fiber.

Then there is twist in the tube, wavering routes and slack loops etc.And 
there is also timebase accuracy, which varies with temperature...

 

So if you have gopher damage in the desert and the closest hand hole is 10 
miles away, you will have to dig and cut several times before you zero in on 
it.  

 

 

From: Dev 

Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2024 10:39 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations

 

We had a $300 OTDR. The only thing it didn’t do was estimate length very well 
if it worked at all. 

 

My friend asked how much money we’d save if we dug up the wrong lady’s yard to 
replace a fiber that wasn’t broken.

 

Then we bought a Viavi, waited for a show discount. Now we can dig up the right 
lady’s lawn.





On Oct 31, 2024, at 8:14 AM, Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

 

Metronet :P

 

On Thu, Oct 31, 2024 at 11:12 AM Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > wrote:

Josh, which competitor? I've seen similar things out of MetroNet.



-
Mike Hammett
 <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions
 <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> 
Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP






  _  


From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2024 6:56:31 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations

I thought the same thing.  I had to cancel their service after just a week or 
two because streaming was absolutely a joke (looked to me like their peering 
was full, couldn't get any kind of capacity beyond their network).  They left 
this convenient wall plate with an APC bulkhead just sitting here...

 

On Tue, Oct 29, 2024 at 5:29 PM  wrote:

I have always wanted to connect a source of upstream light to my connection at 
home.  (Served by a competitor).  Wonder how long it would take to 
troubleshoot.  Especially if I made it randomly intermittent and on a timer.  
Perhaps during the first minute of the superbowl or something...?  


 

 

 

From: Jason McKemie 

Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2024 3:05 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations

 

I know Exfo has units with an optional PON port for connecting to a live on-net 
fiber and testing. Maybe this is more or less standard anymore, my current OTDR 
is a bit dated.

On Tuesday, October 29, 2024, Josh Luthman  wrote:
> IDK what you mean by PON features unless you want an inline unit to watch the 
> traffic.  Veex just came out with one that will do that.  I don't see the 
> need, but it is cool.
> We bought the one (or one like) Cassidy linked and then bought this second:
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CW3B9ZM8/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
>
> Cassidy - get a super cheap/fast PON meter that just reads the light from the 
> OLT rather than waiting for the OTDR to boot.  Or just clamp and see if there 
> is light - 
> https://www.amazon.com/YEDEMC-Optical-Identifier-800-1700nm-Functions/dp/B09JLL6NPM/
> On Tue, Oct 29, 2024 at 4:45 PM Cassidy B. Larson  wrote:
>>
>> We’ve been getting these smaller OTDR/VFL/OPMs from Amazon for our field 
>> techs. This way they can see if there’s a problem with the drop at least. If 
>> it’s anything past that, the splicers with the fancier/costlier OTDRs get 
>> involved.  Price point is right and it does what they need it to do.
>> https://www.amazon.com/YEDEMC-Mini-Pro-Mulit-Function-5m-60Km-Dynamic/dp/B092LNWZ4Y/
>>
>> -c
>>
>> On Oct 29, 2024, at 2:39 PM, Jason McKemie 
>>  wrote:
>> Does anyone have any recommendations for an OTDR that won't break the bank 
>> but is reasonably easy to use? My Exfo just stopped powering up today, so 
>> evidently I'm in the market for a new one. The Exfo is about 14 years old, 
>> so I assume they've come a little ways since then. I don't need anything for 
>> super long distances, mainly just access, PON features are a plus. --
>> AF mailing list
>> AF@af.afmug.com
>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>>
>> --
>> AF mailing list
>> AF@af.afmug.com
>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
> 

 


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Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations

2024-10-31 Thread chuck 
Still, length is not an exact science with OTDRs.  Especially if it is a long 
shot.  
Every fiber has a different index of refraction and velocity factor.  And these 
characteristics vary along the entire length of the fiber.
Then there is twist in the tube, wavering routes and slack loops etc.And 
there is also timebase accuracy, which varies with temperature...

So if you have gopher damage in the desert and the closest hand hole is 10 
miles away, you will have to dig and cut several times before you zero in on 
it.  


From: Dev 
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2024 10:39 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations

We had a $300 OTDR. The only thing it didn’t do was estimate length very well 
if it worked at all. 

My friend asked how much money we’d save if we dug up the wrong lady’s yard to 
replace a fiber that wasn’t broken.

Then we bought a Viavi, waited for a show discount. Now we can dig up the right 
lady’s lawn.



  On Oct 31, 2024, at 8:14 AM, Josh Luthman  wrote:

  Metronet :P

  On Thu, Oct 31, 2024 at 11:12 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

Josh, which competitor? I've seen similar things out of MetroNet.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2024 6:56:31 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations


I thought the same thing.  I had to cancel their service after just a week 
or two because streaming was absolutely a joke (looked to me like their peering 
was full, couldn't get any kind of capacity beyond their network).  They left 
this convenient wall plate with an APC bulkhead just sitting here...

On Tue, Oct 29, 2024 at 5:29 PM  wrote:

  I have always wanted to connect a source of upstream light to my 
connection at home.  (Served by a competitor).  Wonder how long it would take 
to troubleshoot.  Especially if I made it randomly intermittent and on a timer. 
 Perhaps during the first minute of the superbowl or something...?  




  From: Jason McKemie 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2024 3:05 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations

  I know Exfo has units with an optional PON port for connecting to a live 
on-net fiber and testing. Maybe this is more or less standard anymore, my 
current OTDR is a bit dated.

  On Tuesday, October 29, 2024, Josh Luthman  
wrote:
  > IDK what you mean by PON features unless you want an inline unit to 
watch the traffic.  Veex just came out with one that will do that.  I don't see 
the need, but it is cool.
  > We bought the one (or one like) Cassidy linked and then bought this 
second:
  > 
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CW3B9ZM8/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
  >
  > Cassidy - get a super cheap/fast PON meter that just reads the light 
from the OLT rather than waiting for the OTDR to boot.  Or just clamp and see 
if there is light - 
https://www.amazon.com/YEDEMC-Optical-Identifier-800-1700nm-Functions/dp/B09JLL6NPM/
  > On Tue, Oct 29, 2024 at 4:45 PM Cassidy B. Larson  
wrote:
  >>
  >> We’ve been getting these smaller OTDR/VFL/OPMs from Amazon for our 
field techs. This way they can see if there’s a problem with the drop at least. 
If it’s anything past that, the splicers with the fancier/costlier OTDRs get 
involved.  Price point is right and it does what they need it to do.
  >> 
https://www.amazon.com/YEDEMC-Mini-Pro-Mulit-Function-5m-60Km-Dynamic/dp/B092LNWZ4Y/
  >>
  >> -c
  >>
  >> On Oct 29, 2024, at 2:39 PM, Jason McKemie 
 wrote:
  >> Does anyone have any recommendations for an OTDR that won't break the 
bank but is reasonably easy to use? My Exfo just stopped powering up today, so 
evidently I'm in the market for a new one. The Exfo is about 14 years old, so I 
assume they've come a little ways since then. I don't need anything for super 
long distances, mainly just access, PON features are a plus. --
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Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations

2024-10-31 Thread Dev 
We had a $300 OTDR. The only thing it didn’t do was estimate length very well 
if it worked at all.

My friend asked how much money we’d save if we dug up the wrong lady’s yard to 
replace a fiber that wasn’t broken.

Then we bought a Viavi, waited for a show discount. Now we can dig up the right 
lady’s lawn.

> On Oct 31, 2024, at 8:14 AM, Josh Luthman  wrote:
> 
> Metronet :P
> 
> On Thu, Oct 31, 2024 at 11:12 AM Mike Hammett  <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
>> Josh, which competitor? I've seen similar things out of MetroNet.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
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>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>  <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> 
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> 
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> 
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>  <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> 
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> 
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>  <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>> 
>> 
>>  <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> From: "Josh Luthman" > <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
>> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2024 6:56:31 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations
>> 
>> I thought the same thing.  I had to cancel their service after just a week 
>> or two because streaming was absolutely a joke (looked to me like their 
>> peering was full, couldn't get any kind of capacity beyond their network).  
>> They left this convenient wall plate with an APC bulkhead just sitting 
>> here...
>> 
>> On Tue, Oct 29, 2024 at 5:29 PM mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>> 
>> wrote:
>>> I have always wanted to connect a source of upstream light to my connection 
>>> at home.  (Served by a competitor).  Wonder how long it would take to 
>>> troubleshoot.  Especially if I made it randomly intermittent and on a 
>>> timer.  Perhaps during the first minute of the superbowl or something...?  
>>> 
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: Jason McKemie <>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2024 3:05 PM
>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <>
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations
>>>  
>>> I know Exfo has units with an optional PON port for connecting to a live 
>>> on-net fiber and testing. Maybe this is more or less standard anymore, my 
>>> current OTDR is a bit dated.
>>> 
>>> On Tuesday, October 29, 2024, Josh Luthman > 
>>> wrote:
>>> > IDK what you mean by PON features unless you want an inline unit to watch 
>>> > the traffic.  Veex just came out with one that will do that.  I don't see 
>>> > the need, but it is cool.
>>> > We bought the one (or one like) Cassidy linked and then bought this 
>>> > second:
>>> > https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CW3B9ZM8/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
>>> >
>>> > Cassidy - get a super cheap/fast PON meter that just reads the light from 
>>> > the OLT rather than waiting for the OTDR to boot.  Or just clamp and see 
>>> > if there is light - 
>>> > https://www.amazon.com/YEDEMC-Optical-Identifier-800-1700nm-Functions/dp/B09JLL6NPM/
>>> > On Tue, Oct 29, 2024 at 4:45 PM Cassidy B. Larson > 
>>> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> We’ve been getting these smaller OTDR/VFL/OPMs from Amazon for our field 
>>> >> techs. This way they can see if there’s a problem with the drop at 
>>> >> least. If it’s anything past that, the splicers with the 
>>> >> fancier/costlier OTDRs get involved.  Price point is right and it does 
>>> >> what they need it to do.
>>> >> https://www.amazon.com/YEDEMC-Mini-Pro-Mulit-Function-5m-60Km-Dynamic/dp/B092LNWZ4Y/
>>> >>
>>> >> -c
>>> >>
>>> >> On Oct 29, 2024, at 2:39 PM, Jason McKemie 
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> >> Does anyone have any recommendations for an OTDR that won't break the 
>>> >> bank but is reasonably easy to use? My Exfo just stopped powering up 
>>> >> today, so evidently I'm in the m

Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations

2024-10-31 Thread Mike Hammett 
Josh, which competitor? I've seen similar things out of MetroNet. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Josh Luthman"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2024 6:56:31 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations 


I thought the same thing. I had to cancel their service after just a week or 
two because streaming was absolutely a joke (looked to me like their peering 
was full, couldn't get any kind of capacity beyond their network). They left 
this convenient wall plate with an APC bulkhead just sitting here... 


On Tue, Oct 29, 2024 at 5:29 PM < ch...@go-mtc.com > wrote: 






I have always wanted to connect a source of upstream light to my connection at 
home. (Served by a competitor). Wonder how long it would take to troubleshoot. 
Especially if I made it randomly intermittent and on a timer. Perhaps during 
the first minute of the superbowl or something...? Winking smile






From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2024 3:05 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations 

I know Exfo has units with an optional PON port for connecting to a live on-net 
fiber and testing. Maybe this is more or less standard anymore, my current OTDR 
is a bit dated. 

On Tuesday, October 29, 2024, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
wrote: 
> IDK what you mean by PON features unless you want an inline unit to watch the 
> traffic. Veex just came out with one that will do that. I don't see the need, 
> but it is cool. 
> We bought the one (or one like) Cassidy linked and then bought this second: 
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CW3B9ZM8/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
>  
> 
> Cassidy - get a super cheap/fast PON meter that just reads the light from the 
> OLT rather than waiting for the OTDR to boot. Or just clamp and see if there 
> is light - 
> https://www.amazon.com/YEDEMC-Optical-Identifier-800-1700nm-Functions/dp/B09JLL6NPM/
>  
> On Tue, Oct 29, 2024 at 4:45 PM Cassidy B. Larson < c...@infowest.com > 
> wrote: 
>> 
>> We’ve been getting these smaller OTDR/VFL/OPMs from Amazon for our field 
>> techs. This way they can see if there’s a problem with the drop at least. If 
>> it’s anything past that, the splicers with the fancier/costlier OTDRs get 
>> involved. Price point is right and it does what they need it to do. 
>> https://www.amazon.com/YEDEMC-Mini-Pro-Mulit-Function-5m-60Km-Dynamic/dp/B092LNWZ4Y/
>>  
>> 
>> -c 
>> 
>> On Oct 29, 2024, at 2:39 PM, Jason McKemie < 
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com > wrote: 
>> Does anyone have any recommendations for an OTDR that won't break the bank 
>> but is reasonably easy to use? My Exfo just stopped powering up today, so 
>> evidently I'm in the market for a new one. The Exfo is about 14 years old, 
>> so I assume they've come a little ways since then. I don't need anything for 
>> super long distances, mainly just access, PON features are a plus. -- 
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Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations

2024-10-31 Thread Josh Luthman 
Metronet :P

On Thu, Oct 31, 2024 at 11:12 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Josh, which competitor? I've seen similar things out of MetroNet.
>
>
>
> -
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>
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> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, October 29, 2024 6:56:31 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations
>
> I thought the same thing.  I had to cancel their service after just a week
> or two because streaming was absolutely a joke (looked to me like their
> peering was full, couldn't get any kind of capacity beyond their network).
> They left this convenient wall plate with an APC bulkhead just sitting
> here...
>
> On Tue, Oct 29, 2024 at 5:29 PM  wrote:
>
>> I have always wanted to connect a source of upstream light to my
>> connection at home.  (Served by a competitor).  Wonder how long it would
>> take to troubleshoot.  Especially if I made it randomly intermittent and on
>> a timer.  Perhaps during the first minute of the superbowl or
>> something...?  [image: Winking smile]
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Jason McKemie
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 29, 2024 3:05 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations
>>
>> I know Exfo has units with an optional PON port for connecting to a live
>> on-net fiber and testing. Maybe this is more or less standard anymore, my
>> current OTDR is a bit dated.
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 29, 2024, Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>> > IDK what you mean by PON features unless you want an inline unit to
>> watch the traffic.  Veex just came out with one that will do that.  I don't
>> see the need, but it is cool.
>> > We bought the one (or one like) Cassidy linked and then bought this
>> second:
>> >
>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CW3B9ZM8/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
>> >
>> > Cassidy - get a super cheap/fast PON meter that just reads the light
>> from the OLT rather than waiting for the OTDR to boot.  Or just clamp and
>> see if there is light -
>> https://www.amazon.com/YEDEMC-Optical-Identifier-800-1700nm-Functions/dp/B09JLL6NPM/
>> > On Tue, Oct 29, 2024 at 4:45 PM Cassidy B. Larson 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> We’ve been getting these smaller OTDR/VFL/OPMs from Amazon for our
>> field techs. This way they can see if there’s a problem with the drop at
>> least. If it’s anything past that, the splicers with the fancier/costlier
>> OTDRs get involved.  Price point is right and it does what they need it to
>> do.
>> >>
>> https://www.amazon.com/YEDEMC-Mini-Pro-Mulit-Function-5m-60Km-Dynamic/dp/B092LNWZ4Y/
>> >>
>> >> -c
>> >>
>> >> On Oct 29, 2024, at 2:39 PM, Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>> >> Does anyone have any recommendations for an OTDR that won't break the
>> bank but is reasonably easy to use? My Exfo just stopped powering up today,
>> so evidently I'm in the market for a new one. The Exfo is about 14 years
>> old, so I assume they've come a little ways since then. I don't need
>> anything for super long distances, mainly just access, PON features are a
>> plus. --
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Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations

2024-10-31 Thread Jason McKemie 
Does anyone have experience with INNO OTDRs?

On Wednesday, October 30, 2024, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
> This one is intriguing. Not exactly cheap, but it is a far cry from the
pricing on a lot of the name brand OTDRs that I've looked at.
> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CNCDYWRN
>
> On Wednesday, October 30, 2024,  wrote:
>> Yeah I’d love if I could find one of those cheap OTDR’s at 1650nm.  Last
time I looked all the cheapos were 1310 or 1550.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@go-mtc.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2024 5:04 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations
>>
>>
>>
>> You can shoot active pon fiber with the right wavelengths and filters.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Josh Luthman
>>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2024 2:58 PM
>>
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations
>>
>>
>>
>> IDK what you mean by PON features unless you want an inline unit to
watch the traffic.  Veex just came out with one that will do that.  I don't
see the need, but it is cool.
>>
>>
>>
>> We bought the one (or one like) Cassidy linked and then bought this
second:
>>
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CW3B9ZM8/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
>>
>> Cassidy - get a super cheap/fast PON meter that just reads the light
from the OLT rather than waiting for the OTDR to boot.  Or just clamp and
see if there is light -
https://www.amazon.com/YEDEMC-Optical-Identifier-800-1700nm-Functions/dp/B09JLL6NPM/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 29, 2024 at 4:45 PM Cassidy B. Larson 
wrote:
>>
>> We’ve been getting these smaller OTDR/VFL/OPMs from Amazon for our field
techs. This way they can see if there’s a problem with the drop at least.
If it’s anything past that, the splicers with the fancier/costlier OTDRs
get involved.  Price point is right and it does what they need it to do.
>>
>>
>>
>>
https://www.amazon.com/YEDEMC-Mini-Pro-Mulit-Function-5m-60Km-Dynamic/dp/B092LNWZ4Y/
>>
>>
>>
>> -c
>>
>> On Oct 29, 2024, at 2:39 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Does anyone have any recommendations for an OTDR that won't break the
bank but is reasonably easy to use? My Exfo just stopped powering up today,
so evidently I'm in the market for a new one. The Exfo is about 14 years
old, so I assume they've come a little ways since then. I don't need
anything for super long distances, mainly just access, PON features are a
plus. --
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Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations

2024-10-30 Thread Jason McKemie 
This one is intriguing. Not exactly cheap, but it is a far cry from the
pricing on a lot of the name brand OTDRs that I've looked at.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CNCDYWRN

On Wednesday, October 30, 2024,  wrote:
> Yeah I’d love if I could find one of those cheap OTDR’s at 1650nm.  Last
time I looked all the cheapos were 1310 or 1550.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@go-mtc.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2024 5:04 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations
>
>
>
> You can shoot active pon fiber with the right wavelengths and filters.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Josh Luthman
>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2024 2:58 PM
>
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations
>
>
>
> IDK what you mean by PON features unless you want an inline unit to watch
the traffic.  Veex just came out with one that will do that.  I don't see
the need, but it is cool.
>
>
>
> We bought the one (or one like) Cassidy linked and then bought this
second:
>
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CW3B9ZM8/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
>
> Cassidy - get a super cheap/fast PON meter that just reads the light from
the OLT rather than waiting for the OTDR to boot.  Or just clamp and see if
there is light -
https://www.amazon.com/YEDEMC-Optical-Identifier-800-1700nm-Functions/dp/B09JLL6NPM/
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 29, 2024 at 4:45 PM Cassidy B. Larson 
wrote:
>
> We’ve been getting these smaller OTDR/VFL/OPMs from Amazon for our field
techs. This way they can see if there’s a problem with the drop at least.
If it’s anything past that, the splicers with the fancier/costlier OTDRs
get involved.  Price point is right and it does what they need it to do.
>
>
>
>
https://www.amazon.com/YEDEMC-Mini-Pro-Mulit-Function-5m-60Km-Dynamic/dp/B092LNWZ4Y/
>
>
>
> -c
>
> On Oct 29, 2024, at 2:39 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Does anyone have any recommendations for an OTDR that won't break the
bank but is reasonably easy to use? My Exfo just stopped powering up today,
so evidently I'm in the market for a new one. The Exfo is about 14 years
old, so I assume they've come a little ways since then. I don't need
anything for super long distances, mainly just access, PON features are a
plus. --
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Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations

2024-10-30 Thread dmmoffett 
Yeah I’d love if I could find one of those cheap OTDR’s at 1650nm.  Last time I 
looked all the cheapos were 1310 or 1550.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@go-mtc.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2024 5:04 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations

 

You can shoot active pon fiber with the right wavelengths and filters. 

 

 

 

From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2024 2:58 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations

 

IDK what you mean by PON features unless you want an inline unit to watch the 
traffic.  Veex just came out with one that will do that.  I don't see the need, 
but it is cool. 

 

We bought the one (or one like) Cassidy linked and then bought this second:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CW3B9ZM8/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8
 
<https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CW3B9ZM8/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1>
 &psc=1

Cassidy - get a super cheap/fast PON meter that just reads the light from the 
OLT rather than waiting for the OTDR to boot.  Or just clamp and see if there 
is light - 
https://www.amazon.com/YEDEMC-Optical-Identifier-800-1700nm-Functions/dp/B09JLL6NPM/

 

On Tue, Oct 29, 2024 at 4:45 PM Cassidy B. Larson mailto:c...@infowest.com> > wrote:

We’ve been getting these smaller OTDR/VFL/OPMs from Amazon for our field techs. 
This way they can see if there’s a problem with the drop at least. If it’s 
anything past that, the splicers with the fancier/costlier OTDRs get involved.  
Price point is right and it does what they need it to do. 

 

https://www.amazon.com/YEDEMC-Mini-Pro-Mulit-Function-5m-60Km-Dynamic/dp/B092LNWZ4Y/

 

-c





On Oct 29, 2024, at 2:39 PM, Jason McKemie mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> > wrote:

 

Does anyone have any recommendations for an OTDR that won't break the bank but 
is reasonably easy to use? My Exfo just stopped powering up today, so evidently 
I'm in the market for a new one. The Exfo is about 14 years old, so I assume 
they've come a little ways since then. I don't need anything for super long 
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Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations

2024-10-30 Thread Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
They have a special going on…it’s pretty “reasonable”.  :-)Regards,Jeff Jeff BroadwickCTIconnect312-205-2519 Office574-220-7826 Celljbroadw...@cticonnect.comOn Oct 29, 2024, at 9:13 PM, Jason McKemie  wrote:I think our definitions of "break the bank" might be a bit different. ;-)This equipment looks interesting, but I have a feeling it isn't going to fit the budget. Plus I need something that can be portable.On Tuesday, October 29, 2024, Jeff Broadwick - Lists  wrote:> Adtran/ADVA’s ALM. >> Will work in any network.>> OTDR on steroids.>> Regards,>> Jeff>> Jeff Broadwick> CTIconnect> 312-205-2519 Office> 574-220-7826 Cell> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com>>> On Oct 29, 2024, at 4:40 PM, Jason McKemie  wrote: Does anyone have any recommendations for an OTDR that won't break the bank but is reasonably easy to use? My Exfo just stopped powering up today, so evidently I'm in the market for a new one. The Exfo is about 14 years old, so I assume they've come a little ways since then. I don't need anything for super long distances, mainly just access, PON features are a plus. -->> AF mailing list>> AF@af.afmug.com>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com>>> --> AF mailing list> AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com>
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Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations

2024-10-29 Thread Jason McKemie 
I think our definitions of "break the bank" might be a bit different. ;-)

This equipment looks interesting, but I have a feeling it isn't going to
fit the budget. Plus I need something that can be portable.

On Tuesday, October 29, 2024, Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
wrote:
> Adtran/ADVA’s ALM.
>
> Will work in any network.
>
> OTDR on steroids.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jeff
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> CTIconnect
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>
>> On Oct 29, 2024, at 4:40 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone have any recommendations for an OTDR that won't break the
bank but is reasonably easy to use? My Exfo just stopped powering up today,
so evidently I'm in the market for a new one. The Exfo is about 14 years
old, so I assume they've come a little ways since then. I don't need
anything for super long distances, mainly just access, PON features are a
plus. --
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Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations

2024-10-29 Thread Josh Luthman 
I thought the same thing.  I had to cancel their service after just a week
or two because streaming was absolutely a joke (looked to me like their
peering was full, couldn't get any kind of capacity beyond their network).
They left this convenient wall plate with an APC bulkhead just sitting
here...

On Tue, Oct 29, 2024 at 5:29 PM  wrote:

> I have always wanted to connect a source of upstream light to my
> connection at home.  (Served by a competitor).  Wonder how long it would
> take to troubleshoot.  Especially if I made it randomly intermittent and on
> a timer.  Perhaps during the first minute of the superbowl or
> something...?  [image: Winking smile]
>
>
>
> *From:* Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 29, 2024 3:05 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations
>
> I know Exfo has units with an optional PON port for connecting to a live
> on-net fiber and testing. Maybe this is more or less standard anymore, my
> current OTDR is a bit dated.
>
> On Tuesday, October 29, 2024, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
> > IDK what you mean by PON features unless you want an inline unit to
> watch the traffic.  Veex just came out with one that will do that.  I don't
> see the need, but it is cool.
> > We bought the one (or one like) Cassidy linked and then bought this
> second:
> >
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CW3B9ZM8/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
> >
> > Cassidy - get a super cheap/fast PON meter that just reads the light
> from the OLT rather than waiting for the OTDR to boot.  Or just clamp and
> see if there is light -
> https://www.amazon.com/YEDEMC-Optical-Identifier-800-1700nm-Functions/dp/B09JLL6NPM/
> > On Tue, Oct 29, 2024 at 4:45 PM Cassidy B. Larson 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> We’ve been getting these smaller OTDR/VFL/OPMs from Amazon for our
> field techs. This way they can see if there’s a problem with the drop at
> least. If it’s anything past that, the splicers with the fancier/costlier
> OTDRs get involved.  Price point is right and it does what they need it to
> do.
> >>
> https://www.amazon.com/YEDEMC-Mini-Pro-Mulit-Function-5m-60Km-Dynamic/dp/B092LNWZ4Y/
> >>
> >> -c
> >>
> >> On Oct 29, 2024, at 2:39 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
> >> Does anyone have any recommendations for an OTDR that won't break the
> bank but is reasonably easy to use? My Exfo just stopped powering up today,
> so evidently I'm in the market for a new one. The Exfo is about 14 years
> old, so I assume they've come a little ways since then. I don't need
> anything for super long distances, mainly just access, PON features are a
> plus. --
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Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations

2024-10-29 Thread Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
Adtran/ADVA’s ALM.  

Will work in any network.

OTDR on steroids.

Regards,

Jeff 

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574-220-7826 Cell
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> On Oct 29, 2024, at 4:40 PM, Jason McKemie  
> wrote:
> 
> Does anyone have any recommendations for an OTDR that won't break the bank 
> but is reasonably easy to use? My Exfo just stopped powering up today, so 
> evidently I'm in the market for a new one. The Exfo is about 14 years old, so 
> I assume they've come a little ways since then. I don't need anything for 
> super long distances, mainly just access, PON features are a plus. --
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Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations

2024-10-29 Thread chuck 
I have always wanted to connect a source of upstream light to my connection at 
home.  (Served by a competitor).  Wonder how long it would take to 
troubleshoot.  Especially if I made it randomly intermittent and on a timer.  
Perhaps during the first minute of the superbowl or something...?  



From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2024 3:05 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations

I know Exfo has units with an optional PON port for connecting to a live on-net 
fiber and testing. Maybe this is more or less standard anymore, my current OTDR 
is a bit dated.

On Tuesday, October 29, 2024, Josh Luthman  wrote:
> IDK what you mean by PON features unless you want an inline unit to watch the 
> traffic.  Veex just came out with one that will do that.  I don't see the 
> need, but it is cool.
> We bought the one (or one like) Cassidy linked and then bought this second:
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CW3B9ZM8/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
>
> Cassidy - get a super cheap/fast PON meter that just reads the light from the 
> OLT rather than waiting for the OTDR to boot.  Or just clamp and see if there 
> is light - 
> https://www.amazon.com/YEDEMC-Optical-Identifier-800-1700nm-Functions/dp/B09JLL6NPM/
> On Tue, Oct 29, 2024 at 4:45 PM Cassidy B. Larson  wrote:
>>
>> We’ve been getting these smaller OTDR/VFL/OPMs from Amazon for our field 
>> techs. This way they can see if there’s a problem with the drop at least. If 
>> it’s anything past that, the splicers with the fancier/costlier OTDRs get 
>> involved.  Price point is right and it does what they need it to do.
>> https://www.amazon.com/YEDEMC-Mini-Pro-Mulit-Function-5m-60Km-Dynamic/dp/B092LNWZ4Y/
>>
>> -c
>>
>> On Oct 29, 2024, at 2:39 PM, Jason McKemie 
>>  wrote:
>> Does anyone have any recommendations for an OTDR that won't break the bank 
>> but is reasonably easy to use? My Exfo just stopped powering up today, so 
>> evidently I'm in the market for a new one. The Exfo is about 14 years old, 
>> so I assume they've come a little ways since then. I don't need anything for 
>> super long distances, mainly just access, PON features are a plus. --
>> AF mailing list
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>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations

2024-10-29 Thread chuck 
I remember a rural TV translator district that depended on donations for 
operation.  They called a meeting in a small town.  Right before the meeting 
started they put up a camera image of the reminder of the meeting on one of the 
channels and turned off all the others.  Timed for kickoff of a football game.  
People came to the meeting.  



From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2024 3:48 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations

Do you have any friends in Israel that could get you an Iron Beam?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@go-mtc.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2024 4:28 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations

 

I have always wanted to connect a source of upstream light to my connection at 
home.  (Served by a competitor).  Wonder how long it would take to 
troubleshoot.  Especially if I made it randomly intermittent and on a timer.  
Perhaps during the first minute of the superbowl or something...?  

 

 

 

From: Jason McKemie 

Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2024 3:05 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations

 

I know Exfo has units with an optional PON port for connecting to a live on-net 
fiber and testing. Maybe this is more or less standard anymore, my current OTDR 
is a bit dated.

On Tuesday, October 29, 2024, Josh Luthman  wrote:
> IDK what you mean by PON features unless you want an inline unit to watch the 
> traffic.  Veex just came out with one that will do that.  I don't see the 
> need, but it is cool.
> We bought the one (or one like) Cassidy linked and then bought this second:
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CW3B9ZM8/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
>
> Cassidy - get a super cheap/fast PON meter that just reads the light from the 
> OLT rather than waiting for the OTDR to boot.  Or just clamp and see if there 
> is light - 
> https://www.amazon.com/YEDEMC-Optical-Identifier-800-1700nm-Functions/dp/B09JLL6NPM/
> On Tue, Oct 29, 2024 at 4:45 PM Cassidy B. Larson  wrote:
>>
>> We’ve been getting these smaller OTDR/VFL/OPMs from Amazon for our field 
>> techs. This way they can see if there’s a problem with the drop at least. If 
>> it’s anything past that, the splicers with the fancier/costlier OTDRs get 
>> involved.  Price point is right and it does what they need it to do.
>> https://www.amazon.com/YEDEMC-Mini-Pro-Mulit-Function-5m-60Km-Dynamic/dp/B092LNWZ4Y/
>>
>> -c
>>
>> On Oct 29, 2024, at 2:39 PM, Jason McKemie 
>>  wrote:
>> Does anyone have any recommendations for an OTDR that won't break the bank 
>> but is reasonably easy to use? My Exfo just stopped powering up today, so 
>> evidently I'm in the market for a new one. The Exfo is about 14 years old, 
>> so I assume they've come a little ways since then. I don't need anything for 
>> super long distances, mainly just access, PON features are a plus. --
>> AF mailing list
>> AF@af.afmug.com
>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations

2024-10-29 Thread Ken Hohhof 
Do you have any friends in Israel that could get you an Iron Beam?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@go-mtc.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2024 4:28 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations

 

I have always wanted to connect a source of upstream light to my connection at 
home.  (Served by a competitor).  Wonder how long it would take to 
troubleshoot.  Especially if I made it randomly intermittent and on a timer.  
Perhaps during the first minute of the superbowl or something...?  

 

 

 

From: Jason McKemie 

Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2024 3:05 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations

 

I know Exfo has units with an optional PON port for connecting to a live on-net 
fiber and testing. Maybe this is more or less standard anymore, my current OTDR 
is a bit dated.

On Tuesday, October 29, 2024, Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:
> IDK what you mean by PON features unless you want an inline unit to watch the 
> traffic.  Veex just came out with one that will do that.  I don't see the 
> need, but it is cool.
> We bought the one (or one like) Cassidy linked and then bought this second:
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CW3B9ZM8/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8
>  
> <https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CW3B9ZM8/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1>
>  &psc=1
>
> Cassidy - get a super cheap/fast PON meter that just reads the light from the 
> OLT rather than waiting for the OTDR to boot.  Or just clamp and see if there 
> is light - 
> https://www.amazon.com/YEDEMC-Optical-Identifier-800-1700nm-Functions/dp/B09JLL6NPM/
> On Tue, Oct 29, 2024 at 4:45 PM Cassidy B. Larson  <mailto:c...@infowest.com> > wrote:
>>
>> We’ve been getting these smaller OTDR/VFL/OPMs from Amazon for our field 
>> techs. This way they can see if there’s a problem with the drop at least. If 
>> it’s anything past that, the splicers with the fancier/costlier OTDRs get 
>> involved.  Price point is right and it does what they need it to do.
>> https://www.amazon.com/YEDEMC-Mini-Pro-Mulit-Function-5m-60Km-Dynamic/dp/B092LNWZ4Y/
>>
>> -c
>>
>> On Oct 29, 2024, at 2:39 PM, Jason McKemie > <mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> > wrote:
>> Does anyone have any recommendations for an OTDR that won't break the bank 
>> but is reasonably easy to use? My Exfo just stopped powering up today, so 
>> evidently I'm in the market for a new one. The Exfo is about 14 years old, 
>> so I assume they've come a little ways since then. I don't need anything for 
>> super long distances, mainly just access, PON features are a plus. --
>> AF mailing list
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>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations

2024-10-29 Thread Josh Luthman 
IDK what you mean by PON features unless you want an inline unit to watch
the traffic.  Veex just came out with one that will do that.  I don't see
the need, but it is cool.

We bought the one (or one like) Cassidy linked and then bought this second:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CW3B9ZM8/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Cassidy - get a super cheap/fast PON meter that just reads the light from
the OLT rather than waiting for the OTDR to boot.  Or just clamp and see if
there is light -
https://www.amazon.com/YEDEMC-Optical-Identifier-800-1700nm-Functions/dp/B09JLL6NPM/

On Tue, Oct 29, 2024 at 4:45 PM Cassidy B. Larson  wrote:

> We’ve been getting these smaller OTDR/VFL/OPMs from Amazon for our field
> techs. This way they can see if there’s a problem with the drop at least.
> If it’s anything past that, the splicers with the fancier/costlier OTDRs
> get involved.  Price point is right and it does what they need it to do.
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/YEDEMC-Mini-Pro-Mulit-Function-5m-60Km-Dynamic/dp/B092LNWZ4Y/
>
> -c
>
> On Oct 29, 2024, at 2:39 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
> Does anyone have any recommendations for an OTDR that won't break the bank
> but is reasonably easy to use? My Exfo just stopped powering up today, so
> evidently I'm in the market for a new one. The Exfo is about 14 years old,
> so I assume they've come a little ways since then. I don't need anything
> for super long distances, mainly just access, PON features are a plus. --
> AF mailing list
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> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations

2024-10-29 Thread Jason McKemie 
I know Exfo has units with an optional PON port for connecting to a live
on-net fiber and testing. Maybe this is more or less standard anymore, my
current OTDR is a bit dated.

On Tuesday, October 29, 2024, Josh Luthman 
wrote:
> IDK what you mean by PON features unless you want an inline unit to watch
the traffic.  Veex just came out with one that will do that.  I don't see
the need, but it is cool.
> We bought the one (or one like) Cassidy linked and then bought this
second:
>
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CW3B9ZM8/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
>
> Cassidy - get a super cheap/fast PON meter that just reads the light from
the OLT rather than waiting for the OTDR to boot.  Or just clamp and see if
there is light -
https://www.amazon.com/YEDEMC-Optical-Identifier-800-1700nm-Functions/dp/B09JLL6NPM/
> On Tue, Oct 29, 2024 at 4:45 PM Cassidy B. Larson 
wrote:
>>
>> We’ve been getting these smaller OTDR/VFL/OPMs from Amazon for our field
techs. This way they can see if there’s a problem with the drop at least.
If it’s anything past that, the splicers with the fancier/costlier OTDRs
get involved.  Price point is right and it does what they need it to do.
>>
https://www.amazon.com/YEDEMC-Mini-Pro-Mulit-Function-5m-60Km-Dynamic/dp/B092LNWZ4Y/
>>
>> -c
>>
>> On Oct 29, 2024, at 2:39 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>> Does anyone have any recommendations for an OTDR that won't break the
bank but is reasonably easy to use? My Exfo just stopped powering up today,
so evidently I'm in the market for a new one. The Exfo is about 14 years
old, so I assume they've come a little ways since then. I don't need
anything for super long distances, mainly just access, PON features are a
plus. --
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Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations

2024-10-29 Thread chuck 
You can shoot active pon fiber with the right wavelengths and filters. 



From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2024 2:58 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations

IDK what you mean by PON features unless you want an inline unit to watch the 
traffic.  Veex just came out with one that will do that.  I don't see the need, 
but it is cool. 

We bought the one (or one like) Cassidy linked and then bought this second:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CW3B9ZM8/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Cassidy - get a super cheap/fast PON meter that just reads the light from the 
OLT rather than waiting for the OTDR to boot.  Or just clamp and see if there 
is light - 
https://www.amazon.com/YEDEMC-Optical-Identifier-800-1700nm-Functions/dp/B09JLL6NPM/

On Tue, Oct 29, 2024 at 4:45 PM Cassidy B. Larson  wrote:

  We’ve been getting these smaller OTDR/VFL/OPMs from Amazon for our field 
techs. This way they can see if there’s a problem with the drop at least. If 
it’s anything past that, the splicers with the fancier/costlier OTDRs get 
involved.  Price point is right and it does what they need it to do. 

  
https://www.amazon.com/YEDEMC-Mini-Pro-Mulit-Function-5m-60Km-Dynamic/dp/B092LNWZ4Y/


  -c


On Oct 29, 2024, at 2:39 PM, Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

Does anyone have any recommendations for an OTDR that won't break the bank 
but is reasonably easy to use? My Exfo just stopped powering up today, so 
evidently I'm in the market for a new one. The Exfo is about 14 years old, so I 
assume they've come a little ways since then. I don't need anything for super 
long distances, mainly just access, PON features are a plus. -- 
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Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations

2024-10-29 Thread Cassidy B. Larson 
We’ve been getting these smaller OTDR/VFL/OPMs from Amazon for our field techs. 
This way they can see if there’s a problem with the drop at least. If it’s 
anything past that, the splicers with the fancier/costlier OTDRs get involved.  
Price point is right and it does what they need it to do.

https://www.amazon.com/YEDEMC-Mini-Pro-Mulit-Function-5m-60Km-Dynamic/dp/B092LNWZ4Y/

-c

> On Oct 29, 2024, at 2:39 PM, Jason McKemie  
> wrote:
> 
> Does anyone have any recommendations for an OTDR that won't break the bank 
> but is reasonably easy to use? My Exfo just stopped powering up today, so 
> evidently I'm in the market for a new one. The Exfo is about 14 years old, so 
> I assume they've come a little ways since then. I don't need anything for 
> super long distances, mainly just access, PON features are a plus. -- 
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