Re: [AFMUG] Superbox
This looks like a nearly identical box. The only change I noticed is the
name.
https://vseebox.com/
bp
On 11/27/2024 9:10 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
There’s an eBay auction for a Cheeto ducktaped to a wall.
*From:*AF *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 27, 2024 10:59 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Superbox
id like that guy to paint some shit on my house
On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 4:56 PM Ken Hohhof wrote:
The customer who had one (actually a friend trying to convince
them to buy one) said something about a “Blue TV” app.
You can buy an ONN brand Android TV box at Walmart for $20. But
someone puts a digital clock on the front and loads a pirate TV
app on it, now it’s worth $250 or $350. And the hardware isn’t
illegal, just like burglar tools and lock cutters aren’t illegal.
And I notice these magic free TV box companies don’t say anything
about being able to watch network affiliates and cable channels
and NFL and Netflix for free on their website, they put that on
their social media site and Youtube videos. Plausible deniability
anyone? Yet I get carded if I buy a can of spray paint at Home
Depot. You never know, I might be that criminal Banksy.
*From:*AF *On Behalf Of *Robert
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 26, 2024 4:04 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Superbox
Except in US politics now, where SCOTUS has allowed "donations"
directly to officials now...
On 11/26/24 1:32 PM, ch...@go-mtc.com wrote:
I would guess a US citizen is breaking the law by using
illegal content irrespective of where it is hosted.
Just like it is illegal to bribe someone anywhere on the planet.
That’s why I just tip them.
*From:*Bill Prince
*Sent:*Tuesday, November 26, 2024 2:26 PM
*To:*af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Superbox
Watermarked or not, I would expect companies like
Netflix/Hulu/Amazon to let into the wild "poisoned content"
that might just brick a SuperBox. That's probably what I might do.
bp
On 11/25/2024 1:33 PM, ch...@go-mtc.com wrote:
I wonder if the content is watermarked.
*From:*Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
*Sent:*Monday, November 25, 2024 2:25 PM
*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Superbox
From what I can see, the “actual pirates” rip the content
from Netflix/amazon/etc and host it elsewhere.
Then the SuperBox streams from the pirate servers.
Jim Bouse
Brazos WiFi
979-999-7000
*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Monday, November 25, 2024 2:33 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Superbox
So this gives access to some pirate channels, or does it
somehow pirate regular streaming channels like Netflix,
Prime Video, Hulu, Max, etc.?
bp
On 11/25/2024 12:24 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
Easy access to pirated content. They make people think
that for the added price they get all the content for
free. I suppose they sort of do, but there is
certainly a non-zero chance it will become unavailable
within months of the purchase.
On Monday, November 25, 2024, Bill Prince
wrote:
> OK. I looked that thing over, and I failed to find a
difference between it and say a Roku Ultra.
>
> Please splain what I'm missing if I get a Roku Ultra
(which works great) for less than $100, instead of
this thing for ~~ $300-ish?
>
> bp
>
>
> On 11/25/2024 9:19 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Question for the collective. Are these things
pirate TV boxes? Combination of legit and bootleg?
Totally legit? I don’t want to tie up support
resources on video quality complaints about pirate TV
streams.
>
>
>
> https://buysuperbox.com/
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Superbox
id like that guy to paint some shit on my house On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 4:56 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > The customer who had one (actually a friend trying to convince them to buy > one) said something about a “Blue TV” app. > > > > You can buy an ONN brand Android TV box at Walmart for $20. But someone > puts a digital clock on the front and loads a pirate TV app on it, now it’s > worth $250 or $350. And the hardware isn’t illegal, just like burglar > tools and lock cutters aren’t illegal. > > > > And I notice these magic free TV box companies don’t say anything about > being able to watch network affiliates and cable channels and NFL and > Netflix for free on their website, they put that on their social media site > and Youtube videos. Plausible deniability anyone? Yet I get carded if I > buy a can of spray paint at Home Depot. You never know, I might be that > criminal Banksy. > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Robert > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 26, 2024 4:04 PM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Superbox > > > > Except in US politics now, where SCOTUS has allowed "donations" directly > to officials now... > > On 11/26/24 1:32 PM, ch...@go-mtc.com wrote: > > I would guess a US citizen is breaking the law by using illegal content > irrespective of where it is hosted. > > Just like it is illegal to bribe someone anywhere on the planet. > > > > That’s why I just tip them. > > > > *From:* Bill Prince > > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 26, 2024 2:26 PM > > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Superbox > > > > Watermarked or not, I would expect companies like Netflix/Hulu/Amazon to > let into the wild "poisoned content" that might just brick a SuperBox. > That's probably what I might do. > > > > bp > > > > On 11/25/2024 1:33 PM, ch...@go-mtc.com wrote: > > I wonder if the content is watermarked. > > > > > > > > *From:* Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] > > *Sent:* Monday, November 25, 2024 2:25 PM > > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Superbox > > > > From what I can see, the “actual pirates” rip the content from > Netflix/amazon/etc and host it elsewhere. > > Then the SuperBox streams from the pirate servers. > > > > Jim Bouse > > Brazos WiFi > > 979-999-7000 > > > > *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On > Behalf Of *Bill Prince > *Sent:* Monday, November 25, 2024 2:33 PM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Superbox > > > > So this gives access to some pirate channels, or does it somehow pirate > regular streaming channels like Netflix, Prime Video, Hulu, Max, etc.? > > > > bp > > > > On 11/25/2024 12:24 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: > > Easy access to pirated content. They make people think that for the added > price they get all the content for free. I suppose they sort of do, but > there is certainly a non-zero chance it will become unavailable within > months of the purchase. > > On Monday, November 25, 2024, Bill Prince wrote: > > OK. I looked that thing over, and I failed to find a difference between > it and say a Roku Ultra. > > > > Please splain what I'm missing if I get a Roku Ultra (which works great) > for less than $100, instead of this thing for ~~ $300-ish? > > > > bp > > > > > > On 11/25/2024 9:19 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > > > Question for the collective. Are these things pirate TV boxes? > Combination of legit and bootleg? Totally legit? I don’t want to tie up > support resources on video quality complaints about pirate TV streams. > > > > > > > > https://buysuperbox.com/ > > > > > > > > > -- > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > -- > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Superbox
There’s an eBay auction for a Cheeto ducktaped to a wall. From: AF On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2024 10:59 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Superbox id like that guy to paint some shit on my house On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 4:56 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:khoh...@kwom.com> > wrote: The customer who had one (actually a friend trying to convince them to buy one) said something about a “Blue TV” app. You can buy an ONN brand Android TV box at Walmart for $20. But someone puts a digital clock on the front and loads a pirate TV app on it, now it’s worth $250 or $350. And the hardware isn’t illegal, just like burglar tools and lock cutters aren’t illegal. And I notice these magic free TV box companies don’t say anything about being able to watch network affiliates and cable channels and NFL and Netflix for free on their website, they put that on their social media site and Youtube videos. Plausible deniability anyone? Yet I get carded if I buy a can of spray paint at Home Depot. You never know, I might be that criminal Banksy. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Robert Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2024 4:04 PM To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Superbox Except in US politics now, where SCOTUS has allowed "donations" directly to officials now... On 11/26/24 1:32 PM, ch...@go-mtc.com <mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote: I would guess a US citizen is breaking the law by using illegal content irrespective of where it is hosted. Just like it is illegal to bribe someone anywhere on the planet. That’s why I just tip them. From: Bill Prince Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2024 2:26 PM To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Superbox Watermarked or not, I would expect companies like Netflix/Hulu/Amazon to let into the wild "poisoned content" that might just brick a SuperBox. That's probably what I might do. bp On 11/25/2024 1:33 PM, ch...@go-mtc.com <mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote: I wonder if the content is watermarked. From: Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2024 2:25 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Superbox >From what I can see, the “actual pirates” rip the content from >Netflix/amazon/etc and host it elsewhere. Then the SuperBox streams from the pirate servers. Jim Bouse Brazos WiFi 979-999-7000 From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Monday, November 25, 2024 2:33 PM To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Superbox So this gives access to some pirate channels, or does it somehow pirate regular streaming channels like Netflix, Prime Video, Hulu, Max, etc.? bp On 11/25/2024 12:24 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: Easy access to pirated content. They make people think that for the added price they get all the content for free. I suppose they sort of do, but there is certainly a non-zero chance it will become unavailable within months of the purchase. On Monday, November 25, 2024, Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote: > OK. I looked that thing over, and I failed to find a difference between it > and say a Roku Ultra. > > Please splain what I'm missing if I get a Roku Ultra (which works great) for > less than $100, instead of this thing for ~~ $300-ish? > > bp > > > On 11/25/2024 9:19 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > Question for the collective. Are these things pirate TV boxes? Combination > of legit and bootleg? Totally legit? I don’t want to tie up support > resources on video quality complaints about pirate TV streams. > > > > https://buysuperbox.com/ > > > _ -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com _ -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Superbox
The customer who had one (actually a friend trying to convince them to buy one) said something about a “Blue TV” app. You can buy an ONN brand Android TV box at Walmart for $20. But someone puts a digital clock on the front and loads a pirate TV app on it, now it’s worth $250 or $350. And the hardware isn’t illegal, just like burglar tools and lock cutters aren’t illegal. And I notice these magic free TV box companies don’t say anything about being able to watch network affiliates and cable channels and NFL and Netflix for free on their website, they put that on their social media site and Youtube videos. Plausible deniability anyone? Yet I get carded if I buy a can of spray paint at Home Depot. You never know, I might be that criminal Banksy. From: AF On Behalf Of Robert Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2024 4:04 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Superbox Except in US politics now, where SCOTUS has allowed "donations" directly to officials now... On 11/26/24 1:32 PM, ch...@go-mtc.com <mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote: I would guess a US citizen is breaking the law by using illegal content irrespective of where it is hosted. Just like it is illegal to bribe someone anywhere on the planet. That’s why I just tip them. From: Bill Prince Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2024 2:26 PM To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Superbox Watermarked or not, I would expect companies like Netflix/Hulu/Amazon to let into the wild "poisoned content" that might just brick a SuperBox. That's probably what I might do. bp On 11/25/2024 1:33 PM, ch...@go-mtc.com <mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote: I wonder if the content is watermarked. From: Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2024 2:25 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Superbox >From what I can see, the “actual pirates” rip the content from >Netflix/amazon/etc and host it elsewhere. Then the SuperBox streams from the pirate servers. Jim Bouse Brazos WiFi 979-999-7000 From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Monday, November 25, 2024 2:33 PM To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Superbox So this gives access to some pirate channels, or does it somehow pirate regular streaming channels like Netflix, Prime Video, Hulu, Max, etc.? bp On 11/25/2024 12:24 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: Easy access to pirated content. They make people think that for the added price they get all the content for free. I suppose they sort of do, but there is certainly a non-zero chance it will become unavailable within months of the purchase. On Monday, November 25, 2024, Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote: > OK. I looked that thing over, and I failed to find a difference between it > and say a Roku Ultra. > > Please splain what I'm missing if I get a Roku Ultra (which works great) for > less than $100, instead of this thing for ~~ $300-ish? > > bp > > > On 11/25/2024 9:19 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > Question for the collective. Are these things pirate TV boxes? Combination > of legit and bootleg? Totally legit? I don’t want to tie up support > resources on video quality complaints about pirate TV streams. > > > > https://buysuperbox.com/ > > > _ -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com _ -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Superbox
Except in US politics now, where SCOTUS has allowed "donations" directly to officials now... On 11/26/24 1:32 PM, ch...@go-mtc.com wrote: I would guess a US citizen is breaking the law by using illegal content irrespective of where it is hosted. Just like it is illegal to bribe someone anywhere on the planet. That’s why I just tip them. *From:* Bill Prince *Sent:* Tuesday, November 26, 2024 2:26 PM *To:* af@af.afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Superbox Watermarked or not, I would expect companies like Netflix/Hulu/Amazon to let into the wild "poisoned content" that might just brick a SuperBox. That's probably what I might do. bp On 11/25/2024 1:33 PM, ch...@go-mtc.com wrote: I wonder if the content is watermarked. *From:* Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] *Sent:* Monday, November 25, 2024 2:25 PM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Superbox From what I can see, the “actual pirates” rip the content from Netflix/amazon/etc and host it elsewhere. Then the SuperBox streams from the pirate servers. Jim Bouse Brazos WiFi 979-999-7000 *From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince *Sent:* Monday, November 25, 2024 2:33 PM *To:* af@af.afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Superbox So this gives access to some pirate channels, or does it somehow pirate regular streaming channels like Netflix, Prime Video, Hulu, Max, etc.? bp On 11/25/2024 12:24 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: Easy access to pirated content. They make people think that for the added price they get all the content for free. I suppose they sort of do, but there is certainly a non-zero chance it will become unavailable within months of the purchase. On Monday, November 25, 2024, Bill Prince wrote: > OK. I looked that thing over, and I failed to find a difference between it and say a Roku Ultra. > > Please splain what I'm missing if I get a Roku Ultra (which works great) for less than $100, instead of this thing for ~~ $300-ish? > > bp > > > On 11/25/2024 9:19 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > Question for the collective. Are these things pirate TV boxes? Combination of legit and bootleg? Totally legit? I don’t want to tie up support resources on video quality complaints about pirate TV streams. > > > > https://buysuperbox.com/ > > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Superbox
I would guess a US citizen is breaking the law by using illegal content irrespective of where it is hosted. Just like it is illegal to bribe someone anywhere on the planet. That’s why I just tip them. From: Bill Prince Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2024 2:26 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Superbox Watermarked or not, I would expect companies like Netflix/Hulu/Amazon to let into the wild "poisoned content" that might just brick a SuperBox. That's probably what I might do. bp On 11/25/2024 1:33 PM, ch...@go-mtc.com wrote: I wonder if the content is watermarked. From: Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2024 2:25 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Superbox From what I can see, the “actual pirates” rip the content from Netflix/amazon/etc and host it elsewhere. Then the SuperBox streams from the pirate servers. Jim Bouse Brazos WiFi 979-999-7000 From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Monday, November 25, 2024 2:33 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Superbox So this gives access to some pirate channels, or does it somehow pirate regular streaming channels like Netflix, Prime Video, Hulu, Max, etc.? bpOn 11/25/2024 12:24 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: Easy access to pirated content. They make people think that for the added price they get all the content for free. I suppose they sort of do, but there is certainly a non-zero chance it will become unavailable within months of the purchase. On Monday, November 25, 2024, Bill Prince wrote: > OK. I looked that thing over, and I failed to find a difference between it and say a Roku Ultra. > > Please splain what I'm missing if I get a Roku Ultra (which works great) for less than $100, instead of this thing for ~~ $300-ish? > > bp > > > On 11/25/2024 9:19 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > Question for the collective. Are these things pirate TV boxes? Combination of legit and bootleg? Totally legit? I don’t want to tie up support resources on video quality complaints about pirate TV streams. > > > > https://buysuperbox.com/ > > > -- -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Superbox
Watermarked or not, I would expect companies like Netflix/Hulu/Amazon to let into the wild "poisoned content" that might just brick a SuperBox. That's probably what I might do. bp On 11/25/2024 1:33 PM, ch...@go-mtc.com wrote: I wonder if the content is watermarked. *From:* Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] *Sent:* Monday, November 25, 2024 2:25 PM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Superbox From what I can see, the “actual pirates” rip the content from Netflix/amazon/etc and host it elsewhere. Then the SuperBox streams from the pirate servers. Jim Bouse Brazos WiFi 979-999-7000 *From:*AF *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince *Sent:* Monday, November 25, 2024 2:33 PM *To:* af@af.afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Superbox So this gives access to some pirate channels, or does it somehow pirate regular streaming channels like Netflix, Prime Video, Hulu, Max, etc.? bp On 11/25/2024 12:24 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: Easy access to pirated content. They make people think that for the added price they get all the content for free. I suppose they sort of do, but there is certainly a non-zero chance it will become unavailable within months of the purchase. On Monday, November 25, 2024, Bill Prince wrote: > OK. I looked that thing over, and I failed to find a difference between it and say a Roku Ultra. > > Please splain what I'm missing if I get a Roku Ultra (which works great) for less than $100, instead of this thing for ~~ $300-ish? > > bp > > > On 11/25/2024 9:19 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > Question for the collective. Are these things pirate TV boxes? Combination of legit and bootleg? Totally legit? I don’t want to tie up support resources on video quality complaints about pirate TV streams. > > > > https://buysuperbox.com/ > > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Superbox
was a joke, but probably not, they know theyre gonna get pirated left and right, why not monetize it as i understand it the box is allowed because it doesnt directly pirate anything. Its the users pirating it. >From a political standpoint theyre golden, the left wont come after them in legislation because they want everything free and the right wont come after them because holding a manufacturer responsible for a users action opens up the gun manufacturer door. The content streams are hosted in places where copyright isnt enforced and mandatory ISP filtering isnt a thing that will ever work. Im guessing it operates botnet style where a C&C keeps the content servers updated as they get shut down and have to move. What I dont understand is how the maintenance is paid on that infrastructure with the one time fee model. I wonder if its security through obscurity where they infrastructure houses a lot of the actual bad internet stuff, but since its hammered by housewives using the box to watch the view and charmed, authorities have a harder time filtering the bad content actors. May have to collect packets to see how much content the bosses is serving outward onion On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 12:22 PM Bill Prince wrote: > I wouldn't see how Netflix would invest if they're one of the ones being > pirated. > > It was not clear to me that the box circumvented regular streaming > content, as they did not really call out the fact that you could get > Netflix *(etc.) without subscribing to same. > > > bp > > > On 11/26/2024 9:35 AM, Steve Jones wrote: > > theyre selling them again. Its blatant piracy. but however theyre doing it > circumvents laws and is greylegal. boss has had his for a long time, > content has stayed available. netflix is probably an investor > > On Mon, Nov 25, 2024 at 4:11 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > >> >> https://www.streamtvinsider.com/video/exclusive-amazon-walmart-pull-streaming-boxes-linked-piracy >> >> Original Message >> From: ch...@go-mtc.com >> Sent: 11/25/2024 3:34:04 PM >> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Superbox >> >> I wonder if the content is watermarked. >> >> >> >> *From:* Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] >> *Sent:* Monday, November 25, 2024 2:25 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Superbox >> >> >> From what I can see, the “actual pirates” rip the content from >> Netflix/amazon/etc and host it elsewhere. >> >> Then the SuperBox streams from the pirate servers. >> >> >> >> Jim Bouse >> >> Brazos WiFi >> >> 979-999-7000 >> >> >> >> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince >> *Sent:* Monday, November 25, 2024 2:33 PM >> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Superbox >> >> >> >> So this gives access to some pirate channels, or does it somehow pirate >> regular streaming channels like Netflix, Prime Video, Hulu, Max, etc.? >> >> >> >> bp >> >> >> >> On 11/25/2024 12:24 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: >> >> Easy access to pirated content. They make people think that for the added >> price they get all the content for free. I suppose they sort of do, but >> there is certainly a non-zero chance it will become unavailable within >> months of the purchase. >> >> On Monday, November 25, 2024, Bill Prince wrote: >> > OK. I looked that thing over, and I failed to find a difference between >> it and say a Roku Ultra. >> > >> > Please splain what I'm missing if I get a Roku Ultra (which works >> great) for less than $100, instead of this thing for ~~ $300-ish? >> > >> > bp >> > >> > >> > On 11/25/2024 9:19 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >> > >> > Question for the collective. Are these things pirate TV boxes? >> Combination of legit and bootleg? Totally legit? I don’t want to tie up >> support resources on video quality complaints about pirate TV streams. >> > >> > >> > >> > https://buysuperbox.com/ >> > >> > >> > >> >> -- >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Superbox
I wouldn't see how Netflix would invest if they're one of the ones being
pirated.
It was not clear to me that the box circumvented regular streaming
content, as they did not really call out the fact that you could get
Netflix *(etc.) without subscribing to same.
bp
On 11/26/2024 9:35 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
theyre selling them again. Its blatant piracy. but however
theyre doing it circumvents laws and is greylegal. boss has had his
for a long time, content has stayed available. netflix is probably an
investor
On Mon, Nov 25, 2024 at 4:11 PM Ken Hohhof wrote:
https://www.streamtvinsider.com/video/exclusive-amazon-walmart-pull-streaming-boxes-linked-piracy
Original Message
From: ch...@go-mtc.com
Sent: 11/25/2024 3:34:04 PM
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Superbox
I wonder if the content is watermarked.
*From:* Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
*Sent:* Monday, November 25, 2024 2:25 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Superbox
From what I can see, the “actual pirates” rip the content from
Netflix/amazon/etc and host it elsewhere.
Then the SuperBox streams from the pirate servers.
Jim Bouse
Brazos WiFi
979-999-7000
*From:*AF *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Monday, November 25, 2024 2:33 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Superbox
So this gives access to some pirate channels, or does it somehow
pirate regular streaming channels like Netflix, Prime Video, Hulu,
Max, etc.?
bp
On 11/25/2024 12:24 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
Easy access to pirated content. They make people think that
for the added price they get all the content for free. I
suppose they sort of do, but there is certainly a non-zero
chance it will become unavailable within months of the purchase.
On Monday, November 25, 2024, Bill Prince
wrote:
> OK. I looked that thing over, and I failed to find a
difference between it and say a Roku Ultra.
>
> Please splain what I'm missing if I get a Roku Ultra (which
works great) for less than $100, instead of this thing for ~~
$300-ish?
>
> bp
>
>
> On 11/25/2024 9:19 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Question for the collective. Are these things pirate TV
boxes? Combination of legit and bootleg? Totally legit? I
don’t want to tie up support resources on video quality
complaints about pirate TV streams.
>
>
>
> https://buysuperbox.com/
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Superbox
theyre selling them again. Its blatant piracy. but however theyre doing it circumvents laws and is greylegal. boss has had his for a long time, content has stayed available. netflix is probably an investor On Mon, Nov 25, 2024 at 4:11 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > > https://www.streamtvinsider.com/video/exclusive-amazon-walmart-pull-streaming-boxes-linked-piracy > > Original Message > From: ch...@go-mtc.com > Sent: 11/25/2024 3:34:04 PM > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Superbox > > I wonder if the content is watermarked. > > > > *From:* Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] > *Sent:* Monday, November 25, 2024 2:25 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Superbox > > > From what I can see, the “actual pirates” rip the content from > Netflix/amazon/etc and host it elsewhere. > > Then the SuperBox streams from the pirate servers. > > > > Jim Bouse > > Brazos WiFi > > 979-999-7000 > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince > *Sent:* Monday, November 25, 2024 2:33 PM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Superbox > > > > So this gives access to some pirate channels, or does it somehow pirate > regular streaming channels like Netflix, Prime Video, Hulu, Max, etc.? > > > > bp > > > > On 11/25/2024 12:24 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: > > Easy access to pirated content. They make people think that for the added > price they get all the content for free. I suppose they sort of do, but > there is certainly a non-zero chance it will become unavailable within > months of the purchase. > > On Monday, November 25, 2024, Bill Prince wrote: > > OK. I looked that thing over, and I failed to find a difference between > it and say a Roku Ultra. > > > > Please splain what I'm missing if I get a Roku Ultra (which works great) > for less than $100, instead of this thing for ~~ $300-ish? > > > > bp > > > > > > On 11/25/2024 9:19 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > > > Question for the collective. Are these things pirate TV boxes? > Combination of legit and bootleg? Totally legit? I don’t want to tie up > support resources on video quality complaints about pirate TV streams. > > > > > > > > https://buysuperbox.com/ > > > > > > > > -- > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Superbox
https://www.streamtvinsider.com/video/exclusive-amazon-walmart-pull-streaming-boxes-linked-piracy Original Message From: chuck@go-mtc.comSent: 11/25/2024 3:34:04 PMTo: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Superbox I wonder if the content is watermarked. ? ? ? From: Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2024 2:25 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Superbox ? >From what I can see, the ?actual pirates? rip the content from Netflix/amazon/etc and host it elsewhere. Then the SuperBox streams from the pirate servers. ? Jim Bouse Brazos WiFi 979-999-7000 ? From: AF On Behalf Of Bill PrinceSent: Monday, November 25, 2024 2:33 PMTo: af@af.afmug.comSubject: Re: [AFMUG] Superbox ? So this gives access to some pirate channels, or does it somehow pirate regular streaming channels like Netflix, Prime Video, Hulu, Max, etc.? ?bp On 11/25/2024 12:24 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: Easy access to pirated content. They make people think that for the added price they get all the content for free. I suppose they sort of do, but there is certainly a non-zero chance it will become unavailable within months of the purchase. On Monday, November 25, 2024, Bill Prince wrote:> OK. I looked that thing over, and I failed to find a difference between it and say a Roku Ultra. >> Please splain what I'm missing if I get a Roku Ultra (which works great) for less than $100, instead of this thing for ~~ $300-ish?>> bp> >> On 11/25/2024 9:19 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:>> Question for the collective.? Are these things pirate TV boxes?? Combination of legit and bootleg?? Totally legit?? I don?t want to tie up support resources on video quality complaints about pirate TV streams.>>? >> https://buysuperbox.com/>>? > -- AF mailing listAF@af.afmug.comhttp://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Superbox
I wonder if the content is watermarked. From: Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2024 2:25 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Superbox >From what I can see, the “actual pirates” rip the content from >Netflix/amazon/etc and host it elsewhere. Then the SuperBox streams from the pirate servers. Jim Bouse Brazos WiFi 979-999-7000 From: AF On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Monday, November 25, 2024 2:33 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Superbox So this gives access to some pirate channels, or does it somehow pirate regular streaming channels like Netflix, Prime Video, Hulu, Max, etc.? bpOn 11/25/2024 12:24 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: Easy access to pirated content. They make people think that for the added price they get all the content for free. I suppose they sort of do, but there is certainly a non-zero chance it will become unavailable within months of the purchase. On Monday, November 25, 2024, Bill Prince wrote: > OK. I looked that thing over, and I failed to find a difference between it and say a Roku Ultra. > > Please splain what I'm missing if I get a Roku Ultra (which works great) for less than $100, instead of this thing for ~~ $300-ish? > > bp > > > On 11/25/2024 9:19 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > Question for the collective. Are these things pirate TV boxes? Combination of legit and bootleg? Totally legit? I don’t want to tie up support resources on video quality complaints about pirate TV streams. > > > > https://buysuperbox.com/ > > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Superbox
From what I can see, the “actual pirates” rip the content from Netflix/amazon/etc and host it elsewhere. Then the SuperBox streams from the pirate servers. Jim Bouse Brazos WiFi 979-999-7000 From: AF On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Monday, November 25, 2024 2:33 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Superbox So this gives access to some pirate channels, or does it somehow pirate regular streaming channels like Netflix, Prime Video, Hulu, Max, etc.? bp On 11/25/2024 12:24 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: Easy access to pirated content. They make people think that for the added price they get all the content for free. I suppose they sort of do, but there is certainly a non-zero chance it will become unavailable within months of the purchase. On Monday, November 25, 2024, Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote: > OK. I looked that thing over, and I failed to find a difference between it > and say a Roku Ultra. > > Please splain what I'm missing if I get a Roku Ultra (which works great) for > less than $100, instead of this thing for ~~ $300-ish? > > bp > > > On 11/25/2024 9:19 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > Question for the collective. Are these things pirate TV boxes? Combination > of legit and bootleg? Totally legit? I don’t want to tie up support > resources on video quality complaints about pirate TV streams. > > > > https://buysuperbox.com/ > > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Superbox
Aaag matey. bp On 11/25/2024 12:41 PM, ch...@go-mtc.com wrote: I really did not realize there were so many movies made about pirates... *From:* Bill Prince *Sent:* Monday, November 25, 2024 1:32 PM *To:* af@af.afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Superbox So this gives access to some pirate channels, or does it somehow pirate regular streaming channels like Netflix, Prime Video, Hulu, Max, etc.? bp On 11/25/2024 12:24 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: Easy access to pirated content. They make people think that for the added price they get all the content for free. I suppose they sort of do, but there is certainly a non-zero chance it will become unavailable within months of the purchase. On Monday, November 25, 2024, Bill Prince wrote: > OK. I looked that thing over, and I failed to find a difference between it and say a Roku Ultra. > > Please splain what I'm missing if I get a Roku Ultra (which works great) for less than $100, instead of this thing for ~~ $300-ish? > > bp > > > On 11/25/2024 9:19 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > Question for the collective. Are these things pirate TV boxes? Combination of legit and bootleg? Totally legit? I don’t want to tie up support resources on video quality complaints about pirate TV streams. > > > > https://buysuperbox.com/ > > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Superbox
I really did not realize there were so many movies made about pirates... From: Bill Prince Sent: Monday, November 25, 2024 1:32 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Superbox So this gives access to some pirate channels, or does it somehow pirate regular streaming channels like Netflix, Prime Video, Hulu, Max, etc.? bp On 11/25/2024 12:24 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: Easy access to pirated content. They make people think that for the added price they get all the content for free. I suppose they sort of do, but there is certainly a non-zero chance it will become unavailable within months of the purchase. On Monday, November 25, 2024, Bill Prince wrote: > OK. I looked that thing over, and I failed to find a difference between it and say a Roku Ultra. > > Please splain what I'm missing if I get a Roku Ultra (which works great) for less than $100, instead of this thing for ~~ $300-ish? > > bp > > > On 11/25/2024 9:19 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > Question for the collective. Are these things pirate TV boxes? Combination of legit and bootleg? Totally legit? I don’t want to tie up support resources on video quality complaints about pirate TV streams. > > > > https://buysuperbox.com/ > > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Superbox
So this gives access to some pirate channels, or does it somehow pirate regular streaming channels like Netflix, Prime Video, Hulu, Max, etc.? bp On 11/25/2024 12:24 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: Easy access to pirated content. They make people think that for the added price they get all the content for free. I suppose they sort of do, but there is certainly a non-zero chance it will become unavailable within months of the purchase. On Monday, November 25, 2024, Bill Prince wrote: > OK. I looked that thing over, and I failed to find a difference between it and say a Roku Ultra. > > Please splain what I'm missing if I get a Roku Ultra (which works great) for less than $100, instead of this thing for ~~ $300-ish? > > bp > > > On 11/25/2024 9:19 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > Question for the collective. Are these things pirate TV boxes? Combination of legit and bootleg? Totally legit? I don’t want to tie up support resources on video quality complaints about pirate TV streams. > > > > https://buysuperbox.com/ > > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Superbox
[cid:image001.png@01DB3F45.E8FF4B60] Seems pretty clear that it's just another pirate box. Jim Bouse Brazos WiFi 979-999-7000 From: AF On Behalf Of Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2024 11:57 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Superbox Combo but mostly pirate. Jim Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22+ 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone Original message From: Ken Hohhof mailto:khoh...@kwom.com>> Date: 11/25/24 11:36 AM (GMT-06:00) To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Subject: [AFMUG] Superbox Question for the collective. Are these things pirate TV boxes? Combination of legit and bootleg? Totally legit? I don't want to tie up support resources on video quality complaints about pirate TV streams. https://buysuperbox.com/ -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Superbox
Easy access to pirated content. They make people think that for the added price they get all the content for free. I suppose they sort of do, but there is certainly a non-zero chance it will become unavailable within months of the purchase. On Monday, November 25, 2024, Bill Prince wrote: > OK. I looked that thing over, and I failed to find a difference between it and say a Roku Ultra. > > Please splain what I'm missing if I get a Roku Ultra (which works great) for less than $100, instead of this thing for ~~ $300-ish? > > bp > > > On 11/25/2024 9:19 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > Question for the collective. Are these things pirate TV boxes? Combination of legit and bootleg? Totally legit? I don’t want to tie up support resources on video quality complaints about pirate TV streams. > > > > https://buysuperbox.com/ > > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Superbox
OK. I looked that thing over, and I failed to find a difference between it and say a Roku Ultra. Please splain what I'm missing if I get a Roku Ultra (which works great) for less than $100, instead of this thing for ~~ $300-ish? bp On 11/25/2024 9:19 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Question for the collective. Are these things pirate TV boxes? Combination of legit and bootleg? Totally legit? I don’t want to tie up support resources on video quality complaints about pirate TV streams. https://buysuperbox.com/ -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Superbox
my boss has one its great there are also apparently urls you can put into VLC player that get you the same format content On Mon, Nov 25, 2024 at 12:14 PM Ryan Ray wrote: > > https://www.reddit.com/r/Piracy/comments/1ce2o72/superbox_streaming_service/ > > On Mon, Nov 25, 2024 at 10:08 AM wrote: > >> I knew several people that got prosecuted by DirecTV back in the day... >> >> >> >> *From:* Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] >> *Sent:* Monday, November 25, 2024 10:56 AM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Superbox >> >> Combo but mostly pirate. >> >> Jim >> >> >> >> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22+ 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone >> >> >> >> Original message >> From: Ken Hohhof >> Date: 11/25/24 11:36 AM (GMT-06:00) >> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' >> Subject: [AFMUG] Superbox >> >> >> Question for the collective. Are these things pirate TV boxes? >> Combination of legit and bootleg? Totally legit? I don’t want to tie up >> support resources on video quality complaints about pirate TV streams. >> >> >> >> https://buysuperbox.com/ >> >> >> >> -- >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Piracy/comments/1ce2o72/superbox_streaming_service/ On Mon, Nov 25, 2024 at 10:08 AM wrote: > I knew several people that got prosecuted by DirecTV back in the day... > > > > *From:* Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] > *Sent:* Monday, November 25, 2024 10:56 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Superbox > > Combo but mostly pirate. > > Jim > > > > Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22+ 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone > > > > Original message > From: Ken Hohhof > Date: 11/25/24 11:36 AM (GMT-06:00) > To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' > Subject: [AFMUG] Superbox > > > Question for the collective. Are these things pirate TV boxes? > Combination of legit and bootleg? Totally legit? I don’t want to tie up > support resources on video quality complaints about pirate TV streams. > > > > https://buysuperbox.com/ > > > > -- > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Superbox
I knew several people that got prosecuted by DirecTV back in the day... From: Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2024 10:56 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Superbox Combo but mostly pirate. Jim Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22+ 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone Original message From: Ken Hohhof Date: 11/25/24 11:36 AM (GMT-06:00) To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: [AFMUG] Superbox Question for the collective. Are these things pirate TV boxes? Combination of legit and bootleg? Totally legit? I don’t want to tie up support resources on video quality complaints about pirate TV streams. https://buysuperbox.com/ -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Superbox
Combo but mostly pirate. Jim Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22+ 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone Original message From: Ken Hohhof Date: 11/25/24 11:36 AM (GMT-06:00) To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: [AFMUG] Superbox Question for the collective. Are these things pirate TV boxes? Combination of legit and bootleg? Totally legit? I don’t want to tie up support resources on video quality complaints about pirate TV streams. https://buysuperbox.com/ -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Superbox
I am seeing similar things were someone appears to be stripping Netflix content to Amazon servers then redistributing it to reflashed amazon sticks... On 11/25/24 9:19 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Question for the collective. Are these things pirate TV boxes? Combination of legit and bootleg? Totally legit? I don’t want to tie up support resources on video quality complaints about pirate TV streams. https://buysuperbox.com/ -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
