Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz

2018-02-12 Thread Mike Hammett
Does the company you purchase your SAF stuff from do it, though? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Steve Jones" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, February

Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz

2018-02-12 Thread Steve Jones
yes. I always thought registration was a sales side component Our Mimosa was done through commsearch, as I understand it theyre partnered with mimosa or some such thing Since radios are a global sales thing I dont know if its worth the radio manufacturer time to make arrangements with all the

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Name that connector

2018-02-12 Thread Dan Parrish
I think google "12-pin screw terminal", one male one female...That is, if the above suggestions don't work for you. --dan On 2/9/2018 8:05 AM, Nate Burke wrote: > A mouse has had some fun with this connector, and the wires connected > to it. I don't know what type of connector this is called

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

2018-02-12 Thread Adam Moffett
Very true. It would make no sense at all with private funding. ROI in 25+ years, and nobody would invest in that when better returns are available. We're getting a grant from NY State. -- Original Message -- From: "Josh Reynolds" To: af@afmug.com Sent:

Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz

2018-02-12 Thread Steve Jones
Saf does not On Feb 11, 2018 9:06 PM, "Adam Moffett" wrote: Trango did. They subbed out the coordination and licensing to Radyn, but I don't think they marked it up much. -- Original Message -- From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent:

Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz

2018-02-12 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
I cannot speak for SAF as a mfg. but most distributors (including ones selling SAF) do offer a package. Most of them are not marking it up . The only ones that I know had a discount negotiated for coordination fess is Mimosa. Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom

Re: [AFMUG] Municameras

2018-02-12 Thread Steve Jones
Its still in fact finding stage right now, so thats all up in the air. Not NCIS meets Mr Robot. Caveats being masking private property, Plate Identification, I have no idea about the retention time required (that in itself may be a deal breaker, since I assume once a municipality records something

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Name that connector

2018-02-12 Thread Chuck McCown
It will be one of this series: https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/phoenix-contact/1757116/277-1021-ND/260389 -Original Message- From: Dan Parrish Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 9:06 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Name that connector I think google "12-pin screw

Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz

2018-02-12 Thread Chuck McCown
Probably. I suppose I should ask. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 7:28 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz Does the company you purchase your SAF stuff from do it, though? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet

Re: [AFMUG] Viva Entertainment

2018-02-12 Thread Rory Conaway
That’s a good summary but I’ve negotiated a slightly high amount for WISPS. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 8:44 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Viva Entertainment Basically with Viva you're clearing $3/month as a

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

2018-02-12 Thread Chuck McCown
Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLTONT Housing (Clam Shell) $ 29.00 ONT $ 215.00 Unicam $ 15.00 Cyber Power $ 81.00 Cyber Install $ 110.00 House Sub Total $ 450.00 OLT $11K/8/32 $

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

2018-02-12 Thread Adam Moffett
There's a UPS included in the parts list for PON setup. Not included on AE? -- Original Message -- From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/12/2018 2:50:00 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT $100/house for AE You pay for the splitters that fit the

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Josh Baird
Is this in your service area? Could you just get transport/backhaul back to your NOC and provide all of these services there? On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 2:59 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > Had a subdivision developer contact me, wanting service for their hundred > or so homes. > I can

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Eric Kuhnke
I would do it with one x86-64 server running xen or KVM on a recent Linux distribution, and then various VMs for services like recursive DNS resolver, dhcp daemon, etc. 1GbE link with vlan trunk and tagged traffic to the CCR would be sufficient. You do plan on giving the residential customers a

Re: [AFMUG] Sync injector power supply setup

2018-02-12 Thread Jay Weekley
Where do the wires do into the connector?  I assume red to power a and black to common. Is that correct?  Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: Mathew Howard Date: 2/12/18 10:46 AM (GMT-06:00) To: af

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

2018-02-12 Thread fiberrun
It's trivial to convert a homerun active Ethernet network into a PON network. Not so the other way. Jared     Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 From: "Adam Moffett" To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT That's also a compelling point.   It's not a simple

[AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Chuck McCown
Had a subdivision developer contact me, wanting service for their hundred or so homes. I can get DIA close to the area at a reasonable area. It will require some build but that is OK, that is something I feel some level of expertise. Considering a minimal NOC build. I asked this

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Eric Kuhnke
I can't even begin to enumerate why this is wrong and you will regret it later. I'm sure others will go into more detail why. If you don't run a pair of geographically distributed recursive caching resolvers for DIA/IP customers, it is in my opinion not a real ISP. On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 12:02

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Mike Hammett
Don't do that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 2:02:05 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

2018-02-12 Thread Adam Moffett
ah I see. For telephone reliability? -- Original Message -- From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/12/2018 3:00:39 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT Nope. It is a requirement for regulated areas, not so for unregulated areas. From:Adam Moffett Sent:

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

2018-02-12 Thread Adam Moffett
I seeenlightening. -- Original Message -- From: "Mark - Myakka Technologies" To: "Adam Moffett" Sent: 2/12/2018 11:55:03 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT Adam, There are some ranging things you have to consider. "The requirement when

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

2018-02-12 Thread Mark - Myakka Technologies
Title: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT Chuck, PLC splitter in spice case doing full fusion splicing. -- Best regards, Mark                            mailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Technologies, Inc. www.MyakkaTech.com -- Monday, February 12, 2018, 12:09:32 PM, you wrote: Are you

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

2018-02-12 Thread Mark - Myakka Technologies
Title: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT Chuck, Don't forget about Claas C+ lasers In terms of OLT Module, the sending power of Class B+ is 1.5~5dBm, and its receiver sensitivity is -28dBm while the sending power of Class C+ is 3~7dBm and receiver sensitivity -32dBm. -- Best regards, Mark        

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

2018-02-12 Thread Mark - Myakka Technologies
Title: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT Adam, https://www.fs.com/products/11528.html -- Best regards, Mark                            mailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Technologies, Inc. www.MyakkaTech.com -- Monday, February 12, 2018, 1:37:09 PM, you wrote: Can you get a splitter with

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

2018-02-12 Thread Mark - Myakka Technologies
Title: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT Chuck, Dug up some of my costs on the GPON.  One port with a C+ class laser and a 1x32 splitter cost me about $1000. So if I stick with my 50% utilization numbers, that gets me about $62 per user.  Plus an indoor ONT gets me about $200-$225 per customer for

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

2018-02-12 Thread Mark - Myakka Technologies
Title: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT Chuck, What would you house total be for AE?  Also $900 for 1x32 splitter, you need to find a better vendor.  The bare end PLC's are $14 the fancy connectorized ones are $40 at fs.com.  $11K for a 8 port card and $845 for a Laser, that's why we didn't/couldn't

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

2018-02-12 Thread Chuck McCown
Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT$100/house for AE You pay for the splitters that fit the cabinet and cross box. Some cost more than others depending on the sheet metal. From: Mark - Myakka Technologies Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 12:44 PM To: Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

2018-02-12 Thread Chuck McCown
Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLTNope. It is a requirement for regulated areas, not so for unregulated areas. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 12:53 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT There's a UPS included in the parts list for PON setup. Not included on

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Chuck McCown
Guess I don’t need DNS. 8.8.8.8 seems cheap and easy... From: Chuck McCown Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 12:59 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] ISP in a box Had a subdivision developer contact me, wanting service for their hundred or so homes. I can get DIA close to the area at a

Re: [AFMUG] Sync injector power supply setup

2018-02-12 Thread Mathew Howard
Yes, that should be correct. either port can be set to power A or power B with the jumpers, but I think they are all on A by default. On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 10:48 AM, Jay Weekley wrote: > Where do the wires do into the connector? I assume red to power a and > black

Re: [AFMUG] Sync injector power supply setup

2018-02-12 Thread George Skorup
Put +24/29.5 on PowerA, negative on Common/Return. The jumpers are default -4/5 +7/8. So just plug the radios in. On 2/12/2018 10:46 AM, Mathew Howard wrote: What do you need help with? If I remember correctly, the jumper settings should be right for a PMP100 the way it comes. On Mon, Feb

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

2018-02-12 Thread Chuck McCown
Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLTAre you using splitters in splice cases or in cross connect boxes? From: Mark - Myakka Technologies Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 9:55 AM To: Adam Moffett Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT Adam, There are some ranging things you have to consider. "The

Re: [AFMUG] Sync injector power supply setup

2018-02-12 Thread Steve Jones
I was getting rally mad at packetflux a few weeks ago on a powerinjector, Radios wouldnt poewer up, had to open in the field (pita) to doublecheck pins. then I realized some dumbass put the power on pwr2... Im that dumbass btw On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 10:49 AM, Mathew Howard

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

2018-02-12 Thread Chuck McCown
Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLTWhen doing full throttle Calix GPON we have about $570 invested in cpe electronics, splitter, ont/olt/onu etc. Everything but fiber and outdoor cabinets. When doing active Ethernet you can come in closer to $100 per customer. For non regulated greenfield, I am

Re: [AFMUG] Sync injector power supply setup

2018-02-12 Thread Mathew Howard
What do you need help with? If I remember correctly, the jumper settings should be right for a PMP100 the way it comes. On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 10:33 AM, Jay Weekley wrote: > Help! I am in the field and need to setup sync injector power supply. > It's the 10 /100 to

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

2018-02-12 Thread Adam Moffett
That's also a compelling point. It's not a simple question for sure. The other reason I would think about GPON is that if a larger company wanted to purchase our network down the road I have to think about what THEY will prefer. They'll probably prefer PON. Humans are horrible at assessing

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

2018-02-12 Thread Mark - Myakka Technologies
Title: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT Adam, How far are you going?  We are pushing almost 20 miles on a 1x32 split.  Are you using one 1x32 or multiple smaller splitters? -- Best regards, Mark                            mailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Technologies, Inc. www.MyakkaTech.com

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

2018-02-12 Thread Chuck McCown
Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLTI do Calix GPON with mostly other people’s money and if the USF is supporting it. If I have my own skin in the game, I think AE is the way to go. When selling if the fiber is good and the customers are a revenue stream, I hope that is enough. From: Adam Moffett

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

2018-02-12 Thread Adam Moffett
Maybe I need to review the math. I was figuring on several small splitters along the route. I didn't compare to a 1x32 in the cabinet because I figured if I brought every fiber back to the cabinet then I didn't save anything versus ethernet. -- Original Message -- From: "Mark -

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

2018-02-12 Thread Mark - Myakka Technologies
Title: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT Adam, There are some ranging things you have to consider.  "The requirement when deploying ONTs are the maximum distance between two ONTs cannot exceed 20Km." The way we have done this is to reuse fibers as we travel down long stretches of roads between

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

2018-02-12 Thread Chuck McCown
Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLTAs I recall, originally the GPON spec had a 12.5 mile limit due to timing, not due to signal strength. If you launch at -0 dBm and need –24 dBm that is a 24 dB margin. 32:1 splitters have 16 dB loss. That leaves you with 8 dB for cable, connector and splice loss. .5

Re: [AFMUG] Sync injector power supply setup

2018-02-12 Thread Jay Weekley
That worked. Thanks for quick help everyone. Didn't want to let the magic smoke out. Mathew Howard wrote: Yes, that should be correct. either port can be set to power A or power B with the jumpers, but I think they are all on A by default. On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 10:48 AM, Jay Weekley

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

2018-02-12 Thread Adam Moffett
Can you get a splitter with just bare pigtails? -- Original Message -- From: "Mark - Myakka Technologies" To: "Chuck McCown" Sent: 2/12/2018 1:09:50 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT Chuck, PLC splitter in spice case doing full fusion splicing.

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Mathew Howard
A CCR could certainly do DHCP and NAT... I seem to remember there being some reason that made using Mikrotik for a DNS server a bad idea, but it would be capable of doing that too. It doesn't take much to run a DNS server, so it might not be a bad idea to stick some kind of a little server in

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Dennis Burgess
Yep, simple, we can sell them everything they need if needed. We have outdoor boxes, switches, you name it. ☺ From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 2:36 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box Only issue I know of is that

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Chuck McCown
I would too, but it is too far away from any NOC I can use. From: Josh Baird Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 1:39 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box Transport may still be an option depending on the price. I'd much rather treat this as another POP and manage these types

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Eric Kuhnke
If the IP transit provider can sell you 500 or 1000 Mbps IP, what would prevent them in the topology of their network from building a circuit as L2 transport back to a gigE handoff at your existing network? They have footprint in the new possible territory but not where you're currently located?

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Adam Moffett
It was observed in the past that using OpenDNS or GoogleDNS you could get slower performance from CDN's. I can't swear that's still a thing. 4)Do I really care where the DNS is geographically?

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Mike Hammett
It is. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Adam Moffett" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 2:49:02 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box It was

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Mike Hammett
If 8.8.8.8 isn't available to the closest node as a local network, you're not using it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Sterling Jacobson" To: af@afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Chuck McCown
File Save Save as file From: Sterling Jacobson Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 2:09 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box I think that was me you asked about those three items. AND we still use 8.8.8.8 DNS resolvers. I know, it’s bad, but one of my upstreams is directly

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Chuck McCown
I will listen to Dennis and most likely do what he recommends which will probably incorporate your suggestions and what Sterling suggested. If the rack space at the data center is free, I will put them and whatever servers are needed there. If not it goes in that snow covered box on the side

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

2018-02-12 Thread Chuck McCown
Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLTIt is $65 vs my $100 for AE. So I have to spend $35 more. But I get AE. And AE is much simpler. Arguably better too. There is so much cost in construction saving $35/customer is getting into that region of diminishing returns. Perhaps in a year I may change

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Mike Hammett
Stop that. https://2rdrtx4bt29lo91s31mjhkji-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/newspaper-rolled-up-as-a-weapon.jpg - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Jon Langeler"

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

2018-02-12 Thread Mark - Myakka Technologies
Title: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT Chuck, But do you really need to get the cost down that low?  I will admit and most people on this list that know me will agree, I'm a cheap SOB.  But, there is a point where it is worth paying a bit more up front in order to sleep better at night. -- Best

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

2018-02-12 Thread Gerard Dupont
Chuck, Yeah, We have 6 OLT's and a few hundred ONU's online. I know of several other operators using the same setup now too. It's stable and just works. The OLT hardware feels solid and quality made unlike some of the other 1U OLT's we've tried. You can even get an outdoor cabinet made for them

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Eric Kuhnke
Seconding pretty much everything Dennis just said. One additional thing to consider: Having access to debug-level log files for every DNS query can be one quick and highly effective method of identifying an individual customer/CPE that has something virus/worm/trojan compromised on their home

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

2018-02-12 Thread Gerard Dupont
Mark, I'm willing to bet that ZTE or Huawei has more installed units than Zhone does by several orders of magnitude. Plus with the prices so cheap you can afford to have spares of everything. Chuck, I didn't see your detailed numbers for the AE deployment. What equipment are you using for that?

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Dennis Burgess
I would not state that 8.8.8.8 or any of the public DNS servers out there that state that you can use their DNS servers are bad. However, think of these two issues: 1.What happens when that DNS server returns answers (still responds), just it takes 6000 ms to do so. ? Who do you

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Dave
10-4 +1 I have always had 3 DNS servers to have influence on. I found that things do move quickly when using our dns and populate much more reliably. I have never used mikrotik to do a recursive dns so I dont know real world cpu hits. On 02/12/2018 04:35 PM, Dennis Burgess wrote: I

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Chuck McCown
I called Mr. Google at home once, at first they wouldn’t let me talk to him but I explained that our DNS was very slow, finally his housekeeper took the wireless phone out to the pool and he took a few minutes to listen to me. I wasn’t sure he was really listening to my bitching but it started

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Sterling Jacobson
This is my trace route to 8.8.8.8 by the way C:\Users\Sterling>tracert 8.8.8.8 Tracing route to google-public-dns-a.google.com [8.8.8.8] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1<1 ms<1 ms<1 ms 108-165-31-1.avative.net [108.165.31.1] 2<1 ms<1 ms<1 ms

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Adam Moffett
Only issue I know of is that if you turn on the DNS server, then it's an open resolver by default. You have to add a firewall rule(s) to protect it. Someone who went in not realizing that would have a problem. I never used the Mikrotik DNS on a large scale, so it could have practical limits

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Steve Jones
powercode is ideal for this, just FYI (i dont know about fiber stuffs) On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 2:05 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote: > I can't even begin to enumerate why this is wrong and you will regret it > later. I'm sure others will go into more detail why. If you don't run a

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

2018-02-12 Thread Chuck McCown
Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLTAnd regulatory requirement. Actually the FCC is relaxing the 8 hours battery backup requirement. We may be able to charge the customer for UPS capability at some point. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 1:02 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re:

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Chuck McCown
No, it isn’t. Many miles away. From: Josh Baird Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 1:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box Is this in your service area? Could you just get transport/backhaul back to your NOC and provide all of these services there? On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Adam Moffett
Mikrotik is like a swiss army knife. It does all those things, but it's weaker at all of them than the proper tool is. It would absolutely work though. -- Original Message -- From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/12/2018 2:59:22 PM Subject: [AFMUG] ISP in a

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Chuck McCown
OK to answer a handful of questions from this thread. 1)This turf is a long way away from all my other stuff, so I don’t want to actually build a building over there. Nice to get in out of the rain when you are doing onsite but it it is built correctly it can be either remotely managed or

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Josh Baird
Transport may still be an option depending on the price. I'd much rather treat this as another POP and manage these types of core services at my NOC/core rather than having a totally separate network. Just my opinion. On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 3:33 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > No,

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Sterling Jacobson
I think that was me you asked about those three items. AND we still use 8.8.8.8 DNS resolvers. I know, it’s bad, but one of my upstreams is directly on Google CDN so it ‘applies’. I do like redundancy though. So if you use one CCR, get two of them for your project, they are relatively cheap.

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Chuck McCown
Thanks Sterling. I am getting a bit more serious now. Starting to spend money. I just asked the DIA provider of they will throw in some rack space. They said they would. Hopefully battery backed up –48vdc will be supplied as part of the rack. So the only thing I have to put out in the snow

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Eric Kuhnke
Nobody has observed yet that it's a high risk to rely on a 3rd party's free service, no matter what it is, to provide an essential service to your customers? Nobody remembers 10+ years ago when a bunch of people all over the world had a certain Level3 DNS server IP address configured into their

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller
hahah...told ya - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box Don't do that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller
*chuckles* see? i do read a lot of what you post, even if i don't always reply... :) - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box *waves* - Mike Hammett Intelligent

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Dave
CCR I think would do the trick but I would have 2 for fail over Or I would do a PowerV4 from linktechs with failover ccr1236 Let the mikrotiks handle your nat and DHCP DNS I would do on a x86 box On 02/12/2018 01:59 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Had a subdivision developer contact me, wanting service

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Jon Langeler
It will work fine. Use a 2nd diverse as well... Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Feb 12, 2018, at 3:02 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > > Guess I don’t need DNS. 8.8.8.8 seems cheap and easy... > > From: Chuck McCown > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 12:59 PM > To:

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller
oh god. don't let Mike Hammett or about half of the people on facebook hear you say that LOL Hi Mike! - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box Guess I don’t need DNS. 8.8.8.8

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Mike Hammett
*waves* - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 3:31:15 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

2018-02-12 Thread Chuck McCown
That is some scary Bernie Madoff type of pricing. You are using this now? From: Gerard Dupont Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 2:28 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT Here's some pricing based on Chinese ZTE with no real support. ZTE F601 Indoor ONU 1 GE port. $24

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Adam Moffett
I think the big one is you can get CDN servers near wherever 8.8.8.8 lives instead of ones near where you really are. -- Original Message -- From: "Eric Kuhnke" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/12/2018 3:05:10 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box I can't even begin to

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Mike Hammett
A resolver with different upstreams won't help you. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" To: "af" Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 2:39:54

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

2018-02-12 Thread Gerard Dupont
Here's some pricing based on Chinese ZTE with no real support. ZTE F601 Indoor ONU 1 GE port. $24 http://sweetplaza.com/zte- gpon-terminal-ont-zxa10-f601-or-zxhn-f601-ftth-or-ftto- gpon-onu-with-one-ethernet-port-smaller-size_p1013.html ZTE F623 Indoor ONU 1GE 3FE 1POTS $29

Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

2018-02-12 Thread TJ Trout
af11's are pretty cheap On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 4:19 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote: > In general, ePMP. > > Jeff Broadwick > CTIconnect > 312-205-2519 <(312)%20205-2519> Office > 574-220-7826 <(574)%20220-7826> Cell > jbroadw...@cticonnect.com > > On Feb 12, 2018, at

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread TJ Trout
Chuck, don't forget to look at the GPON SFP OLT's available probably cheaper, easier and more efficient than AE these days? On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 2:56 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > I called Mr. Google at home once, at first they wouldn’t let me talk to > him but I explained

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread TJ Trout
https://www.ubnt.com/products/#ufiber On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 7:26 PM, TJ Trout wrote: > Chuck, don't forget to look at the GPON SFP OLT's available probably > cheaper, easier and more efficient than AE these days? > > On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 2:56 PM, Chuck McCown

Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

2018-02-12 Thread Chuck McCown
Back in the day, the 5.2 band was limited to indoor or low power. Is that limitation gone? From: Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 6:50 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp These days you have lots of 5.x ghz to work with. You've got 5.1 through 5.8 minus that

Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

2018-02-12 Thread Mike Hammett
Long gone. 5150 - 5350 and 5470 - 5850 (with varring power restrictions) 5150 - 5250 is actually the second most powerful band now. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown"

Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

2018-02-12 Thread Bill Prince
Wrong description. They are high value. Build quality is actually pretty good. bp On 2/12/2018 7:20 PM, TJ Trout wrote: af11's are pretty cheap On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 4:19 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists > wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

2018-02-12 Thread Steve Jones
I was given the budget if i wanted it for 450. After alot of consideration i just couldnt justify the 450 cost over epmp. Only a marginal aggregate gain. Mumimopappajohnspizza is so far not hammered snot like it was going to be, and hurt more by interference. Afaik 450 was limited in band as well.

Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

2018-02-12 Thread Adam Moffett
Why not both? They rob themselves and also rob Ubiquiti, but that's better than letting Ubiquiti eat their lunch. -- Original Message -- From: "Steve Jones" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/12/2018 11:09:50 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp I was given the budget

Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

2018-02-12 Thread Jeff Broadwick - Lists
I love the AF-11 for its price point and overall value. It’s a great product to use to build out an 11GHz backbone if you don’t need the speed of the big iron in the immediate future. Jeff Broadwick CTIconnect 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell jbroadw...@cticonnect.com > On Feb 12, 2018,

Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

2018-02-12 Thread Jaime Solorza
I separated frequencies to three I found cleanest on AFx5s...On Rockets and Powerbeams I choose one frequency and shut off the rest on APs and on PowerBeams I only use two...this method has worked well since August of 2017 when I replaced all the radios on this network and have had to change them

Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

2018-02-12 Thread Adam Moffett
These days you have lots of 5.x ghz to work with. You've got 5.1 through 5.8 minus that chunk of TDWR that they took out of the middle. Any products will coexist when you have that much room to spread them around. -- Original Message -- From: "Chuck McCown" To:

Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

2018-02-12 Thread Jaime Solorza
Epmp Jaime Solorza On Feb 12, 2018 5:19 PM, "Jeff Broadwick - Lists" wrote: > In general, ePMP. > > Jeff Broadwick > CTIconnect > 312-205-2519 <(312)%20205-2519> Office > 574-220-7826 <(574)%20220-7826> Cell > jbroadw...@cticonnect.com > > On Feb 12, 2018, at 7:08 PM, Chuck

Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

2018-02-12 Thread Jon Langeler
Got ya. If he’s starting fresh, check out Mimosa also. Also consider AF11fx for backhaul at some point. I’m not sure I would recommend 450 unless it’s a government funded situation. Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Feb 12, 2018, at 6:49 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

[AFMUG] Que pinchi suerte

2018-02-12 Thread Jaime Solorza
Oye Gino, que nuevas mamadas les paso otra vez con hece fuego en la estacion! No se como los inutiles en la casa blanca pueden ser tan desmadrosos..sigo rezando por todos en la Isla. .animo amigo...un saludo y abrazo. Jaime Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

2018-02-12 Thread Adam Moffett
450 still does a few things that ePMP doesn't. Plus there's that 14 chain MU-MIMO thing..ePMP will probably never have something like that. UI is still sluggish on ePMP. On the other hand ePMP has gotten so many feature improvements over these past few years that it's gotten really hard

[AFMUG] Government Money

2018-02-12 Thread Adam Moffett
This is the second comment today along these lines. Why would I want to spend more if there's government funding? -- Original Message -- From: "Jon Langeler" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/12/2018 8:58:41 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp Got ya. If he’s starting

Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

2018-02-12 Thread George Skorup
But they work like crap a few feet apart when you're stuck in one rad center due to lack of front-end filtering and/or sync. On 2/12/2018 7:50 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: These days you have lots of 5.x ghz to work with.  You've got 5.1 through 5.8 minus that chunk of TDWR that they took out of

Re: [AFMUG] Government Money

2018-02-12 Thread Jon Langeler
Maybe I’m wrong. But if cost, but not ROI was the denominator, would you want to compromise on ‘2nd best’ system? They typically have bigger pockets... Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Feb 12, 2018, at 9:02 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: > > This is the second

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