Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

2018-02-23 Thread chuck
I know the RealChoice guys personally. I trust them. I was involved in the beginning of that product and it was pretty good them. I am sure it is much better now. -Original Message- From: Clint Wiley Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 1:39 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] RodeoTV

Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

2018-02-23 Thread Steve Jones
around that without antennas SAF changed their distribution model at the beginning of the year though Im a SAF fan, i love it, i want to marry it and sleep with it in my bed, other than Mimosa, which is like UBNT non Airfiber line quality, SAF is all ive messed with in licensed, but its been

Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

2018-02-23 Thread Keefe John
Unless you're getting a short wave most long-distance layer2 connections are going to be MPLS over layer3 anyways.  So how's that different than a VPN or GRE tunnel? Keefe On 2/23/2018 3:56 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: That is not by choice.  The content providers all have a different

Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

2018-02-23 Thread Matt Hoppes
RealChoice would be a great option if they would drop their private line requirement. > On Feb 23, 2018, at 15:39, Clint Wiley wrote: > > Hi, > > I wanted to see if any of you are offering IPTV to your customers. If so, are > any of you using either RodeoTV or

Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

2018-02-23 Thread Layne Sisk
We do have an OTT option for those that are interested, no locals and no DVR but a OTT option for the other channels which can be done via VPN. Layne Sisk ServerPlus 801.426.8283, ext 102    -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt

[AFMUG] testing

2018-02-23 Thread Dennis Burgess
Testing outbound.

Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

2018-02-23 Thread chuck
+1, never had a problem with 7 miles at 18 GHz. Even stretched a few to 9 without big problems (minor rain fade during storms). From: Rory Conaway Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 1:29 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective... I would do all the shots less than

Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

2018-02-23 Thread Clint Wiley
I agree that a VPN makes plenty of sense. I get why they do it but it adds an expense that may take me a good bit of time to recover. Thanks, _ Clint Wiley Hagerstown Fiber Internet > On Feb 23, 2018, at 4:56 PM, "ch...@wbmfg.com" wrote: > > That is

[AFMUG] Exalt ExtremeAir

2018-02-23 Thread Brandon Shiers
Anybody seen the error "Ethernet port 1 input alarm" on an Exalt Extremeair radio? I seem to be getting them when I try to pass packet sizes larger than 1500 bytes. Link is up at 1G full and I've tried both a laptop plugged into the radio power supply directly as well as from a MKT CCR router

Re: [AFMUG] testing

2018-02-23 Thread Jaime Solorza
Works Jaime Solorza On Feb 23, 2018 2:11 PM, "Dennis Burgess" wrote: > Testing outbound. >

Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

2018-02-23 Thread Mathew Howard
That's definitely an interesting looking radio... it'll be interesting to see how they price it. Considering some of the recent specials Bridgewave has been running on their e-band radios, I wouldn't be surprised if it was "disruptive". On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 3:22 PM, Faisal Imtiaz

Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

2018-02-23 Thread chuck
That is not by choice. The content providers all have a different tolerance as to how their product is piped around. RealChoice could drop it and probably ship the product over the public internet and never get caught, however they risk losing channels if they ever get caught. Not sure what

Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

2018-02-23 Thread chuck
Well, the are all allowing all the other streamers to deliver it via the public internet, why not RCTV? Does not seem fair to discriminate against the smaller companies like this. -Original Message- From: Clint Wiley Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 3:12 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject:

Re: [AFMUG] Email Server

2018-02-23 Thread Layne Sisk
Since you can't get support on Gmail from Google there are lots of companies springing up that deal specifically with how to get gmail support. Some of them make some pretty substantial cash. Layne Sisk ServerPlus 801.426.8283, ext 102    -Original Message- From: Af

Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

2018-02-23 Thread Matt Hoppes
It’s why I’ve held off for as long as I have. None of the options were right. They either required expensive private lines, or the costs were so high I ended up making no profit and I felt like it was too expensive to try to sell to the end user. Or the quality of the feed was junk. Just

Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

2018-02-23 Thread Lewis Bergman
I'll bet in that micro climate 18G wouldn't work any better at 7 miles than it would here. I can't get anything reliable over 4.5 miles here on 18G. On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 2:29 PM Rory Conaway wrote: > I would do all the shots less than 7 miles in 18GHz if you can’t get

Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

2018-02-23 Thread Adam Moffett
I also just found out about another outfit called Singularity TV. I have a call with them next week. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/23/2018 4:36:28 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV I know the RealChoice guys personally. I trust

Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

2018-02-23 Thread Mike Hammett
Are there any other full-line providers that don't have a private line requirement? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Matt Hoppes" To:

Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

2018-02-23 Thread Jaime Solorza
Company I doing work for is Dragonwave dealer Jaime Solorza On Feb 23, 2018 5:28 PM, "SmarterBroadband" wrote: > Dragonwave-X Harmony Enhanced HP. > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett > *Sent:* Friday, February 23, 2018 2:59 PM > *To:*

Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

2018-02-23 Thread Mathew Howard
What did that Integra link end up costing? I'm guessing somewhere around $20k? On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 3:02 PM, Steve Jones wrote: > fyi, im bench satisfied with saf integra ws 2+0, 11ghz, 1.2gbps duplex and > no latency, thats 4 radios 80mhz channel sets, mix 11ghz

Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

2018-02-23 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
I am waiting to see how the new Bridgewave company prices the Navigator Radio That is going to be one slick puppy.. and let's hope it is going to be priced 'disruptively' ! https://bridgewave.com/navigator/ :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel:

Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

2018-02-23 Thread Adam Moffett
Of the people I've talked to, RealChoice seemed to have their act together the best. I have not talked to Rodeo at all. -- Original Message -- From: "Keefe John" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/23/2018 4:01:42 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV I'd

Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

2018-02-23 Thread Matt Hoppes
Also. This makes real Choice an IPTV solution not an OTT solution. We need a cost effective OTT solution. > On Feb 23, 2018, at 17:18, Keefe John wrote: > > Unless you're getting a short wave most long-distance layer2 connections are > going to be MPLS over layer3

Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

2018-02-23 Thread Layne Sisk
I have made that exact argument, to which they say "those are the rules". Layne Sisk ServerPlus 801.426.8283, ext 102    -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Keefe John Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 3:18 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re:

Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

2018-02-23 Thread Layne Sisk
There are 2 types of licensing, MVPD and OTT. MVPD is closed network only, and allows all content to be distributed via that closed network (all locals, all content on those locals). OTT is over the open internet but does not generally include the ability to provide all content (some channels

Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

2018-02-23 Thread Matt Hoppes
Maybe. Time will tell. > On Feb 23, 2018, at 17:46, Mike Hammett wrote: > > I think those that go over the public Internet don't have nearly the same > lineup. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers

Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

2018-02-23 Thread Jaime Solorza
Artesia area.. I installed bunch on Siklu links along with a few 3.65 Ubiquiti radios Jaime Solorza On Feb 23, 2018 11:11 AM, "Lewis Bergman" wrote: > I bet he won't have any issues with frequencies where he is. > > On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 12:04 PM Faisal Imtiaz

Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

2018-02-23 Thread Clint Wiley
That’s actually a good point. This is a rapidly moving area. I don’t want to choose the wrong technology/solution. Thanks, _ Clint Wiley Hagerstown Fiber Internet On Feb 23, 2018, at 6:23 PM, Mike Hammett > wrote: The

Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

2018-02-23 Thread SmarterBroadband
Dragonwave-X Harmony Enhanced HP. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 2:59 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective... Someone (I forget who) was claiming their high power (34 dBm) 18 GHz radios

Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

2018-02-23 Thread Dave
Cambium networks PTP820C I recently certified on it in October. On 02/23/2018 11:49 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote: Not familiar with this productwill download specs Jaime Solorza On Feb 23, 2018 9:56 AM, "Dave" > wrote: Bang it out with

Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

2018-02-23 Thread Mike Hammett
I think those that go over the public Internet don't have nearly the same lineup. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018

Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

2018-02-23 Thread Mike Hammett
Someone (I forget who) was claiming their high power (34 dBm) 18 GHz radios would reach just as far as many 11 GHz radios. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Jaime Solorza"

Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

2018-02-23 Thread Mike Hammett
The statement of the week... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Matt Hoppes" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 5:04:40 PM Subject:

Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

2018-02-23 Thread Jaime Solorza
Two years ago Jaime Solorza On Feb 23, 2018 4:28 PM, "Jaime Solorza" wrote: > Artesia area.. I installed bunch on Siklu links along with a few 3.65 > Ubiquiti radios > > Jaime Solorza > > On Feb 23, 2018 11:11 AM, "Lewis Bergman" wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

2018-02-23 Thread Adam Moffett
When you say "We", do you mean that ServerPlus has an IPTV solution? Is this something you're reselling? -- Original Message -- From: "Layne Sisk" To: "af@afmug.com" Sent: 2/23/2018 5:31:27 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV There

Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

2018-02-23 Thread Mike Hammett
A lot of the packaging is per license agreements, but there is some discretion. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Adam Moffett" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday,

Re: [AFMUG] Como chingo..

2018-02-23 Thread Mathew Howard
Pretty good. There were some bugs early on (we got some of the pre-release units), but it's nice and stable now. Latency is slightly worse than the normal af-5x, but they can run at higher modulations at lower signal levels and support up to 100mhz wide channels. On Feb 23, 2018 9:14 PM, "Jaime

Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

2018-02-23 Thread Matt Hoppes
I’m pretty sure bringing US content that was destined for the Philippines back into the US is not legal. > On Feb 23, 2018, at 23:12, Rory Conaway wrote: > > We are doing Viva and WISPs will be able to sign up on it Monday with > commissions. > > Rory > >

Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

2018-02-23 Thread Matt Hoppes
Yes they do. It’s called real choice. > On Feb 23, 2018, at 20:20, Adam Moffett wrote: > > When you say "We", do you mean that ServerPlus has an IPTV solution? > Is this something you're reselling? > > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Layne Sisk"

Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

2018-02-23 Thread Adam Moffett
The thing is, while you're waiting someone else is selling a service to your customer.and you're carrying the traffic without getting anything out of it. -- Original Message -- From: "Clint Wiley" To: "af@afmug.com" Sent: 2/23/2018

Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

2018-02-23 Thread Clint Wiley
I’m a trigger puller. That’s why I asked originally. I’m looking for feedback now as I don’t plan to dwell on it for long. Thanks, _ Clint Wiley Hagerstown Fiber Internet On Feb 23, 2018, at 8:57 PM, Adam Moffett >

[AFMUG] Just a friendly reminder......3.65 license available

2018-02-23 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller
As many of you have heard, we recently discovered we had a spare 3.65 license. We have decided to put this up for auction for the next seven days. If you need a 3.65 license, go bid on this. Good luck!

Re: [AFMUG] Como chingo..

2018-02-23 Thread Jaime Solorza
I have 4 AF5x links churning away...one link is 22 miles Jaime Solorza On Feb 23, 2018 8:07 PM, "Mathew Howard" wrote: > Yeah, we have a link up. > > On Feb 23, 2018 8:57 PM, "Jaime Solorza" > wrote: > >> Have any of you Kopacetic Kool Kats

Re: [AFMUG] Como chingo..

2018-02-23 Thread Jaime Solorza
How is it working for you? Jaime Solorza On Feb 23, 2018 8:07 PM, "Mathew Howard" wrote: > Yeah, we have a link up. > > On Feb 23, 2018 8:57 PM, "Jaime Solorza" > wrote: > >> Have any of you Kopacetic Kool Kats deployed the AirFiber 5X HD LTU

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa c5c 80MHz channel ptp

2018-02-23 Thread Rory Conaway
Usually I run B5-Lites for these and it’s about 680Mbps.Got one that runs up to 500Mbps every night in just that scenario right now. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 9:10 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Mimosa c5c

Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

2018-02-23 Thread Layne Sisk
When they do you won’t be able to resell it, they will just sell it to your customers and you won’t make anything. Layne Sisk ServerPlus 801.426.8283, ext 102 [New logo xl] [http://i.imgur.com/VOz763A.png]

Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

2018-02-23 Thread Mike Hammett
That's how technology is. Until DirecTV, Google, Sony, etc. get full line-ups OTT, you're not going to find something you can sell that's going to have a full line-up. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original

Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

2018-02-23 Thread Mike Hammett
" a set of the channels folks want to watch" That's going to be even harder than a full line-up OTT. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Matt Hoppes"

Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

2018-02-23 Thread Adam Moffett
Yup. I remember that from when I had to sell Dish Network. No two people agree on what the right set of channels are, but they all agree that the channels they want should be in the cheaper package. -- Original Message -- From: "Mike Hammett" To: af@afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Como chingo..

2018-02-23 Thread Mathew Howard
Yeah, we have a link up. On Feb 23, 2018 8:57 PM, "Jaime Solorza" wrote: > Have any of you Kopacetic Kool Kats deployed the AirFiber 5X HD LTU radios > yet? Thanks > > Jaime Solorza >

[AFMUG] Mimosa c5c 80MHz channel ptp

2018-02-23 Thread Eric Kuhnke
Anyone have real world IP speed tests they could share from a short distance, strong signal c5c link, in an 80MHz channel?

Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

2018-02-23 Thread Layne Sisk
We are a partner in Real Choice. Layne Sisk ServerPlus 801.426.8283, ext 102    -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 6:21 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV When

Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

2018-02-23 Thread Mike Hammett
and there's no way they'll sell it that way for the foreseeable future. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Adam Moffett" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, February

Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

2018-02-23 Thread Rory Conaway
We are doing Viva and WISPs will be able to sign up on it Monday with commissions. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Clint Wiley Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 1:39 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV Hi, I wanted

Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

2018-02-23 Thread Adam Moffett
I did not realize the association. -- Original Message -- From: "Matt Hoppes" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/23/2018 8:23:49 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV Yes they do. It’s called real choice. On Feb 23, 2018, at 20:20, Adam Moffett

Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

2018-02-23 Thread Adam Moffett
Honestly I have to admit that it was quite clever on Dish Network's part. They made sure everyone actually wanted the second price tier because there's one critical channel for everybody that isn't in the bottom tier. Or maybe it's not intentional but rather a side effect of licensing

[AFMUG] Como chingo..

2018-02-23 Thread Jaime Solorza
Have any of you Kopacetic Kool Kats deployed the AirFiber 5X HD LTU radios yet? Thanks Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] Just a friendly reminder......3.65 license available

2018-02-23 Thread Jaime Solorza
https://youtu.be/XT8hE7_8BCY Jaime Solorza On Feb 23, 2018 8:04 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" wrote: > > As many of you have heard, we recently discovered we had a spare 3.65 > license. > > We have decided to put this up for auction for the next seven days. If you > need a

Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

2018-02-23 Thread Chris Fabien
So, we have been working with Rodeo for nearly a year as they slowly get their system ready for launch. Technically, Realchoice is a better and more "finished" product, but the pricing left Zero margin for me to be able to sell, and the private line requirement PLUS a significant monthly minimum

Re: [AFMUG] Como chingo..

2018-02-23 Thread Jaime Solorza
Thanks!! Jaime Solorza On Feb 23, 2018 8:44 PM, "Mathew Howard" wrote: > Pretty good. There were some bugs early on (we got some of the pre-release > units), but it's nice and stable now. Latency is slightly worse than the > normal af-5x, but they can run at higher

Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

2018-02-23 Thread Jaime Solorza
Not familiar with this productwill download specs Jaime Solorza On Feb 23, 2018 9:56 AM, "Dave" wrote: > Bang it out with PTP820C ring > Most of the switching is now for doing such a thing is built right into > the ODU if you go all outdoor. > They do make a split unit

Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

2018-02-23 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
so.. here is how things will break down for you to do 1G duplex links, you have a few choices.. 60ghz or 80ghz (very short links) or you do 24ghz (short to medium, depending on rain fade) 11ghz or 6ghz.. you need to have freq available, and will be looking at roughly $15k / link ( the

Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

2018-02-23 Thread Lewis Bergman
If budget isn't a problem, I would put up P2P to every location in a ring topology. A little routing or switch magic (your preference) and you have a redundant setup. On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:03 AM Jeremy wrote: > I would assume that you can add a fourth location... >

Re: [AFMUG] Leatherman

2018-02-23 Thread Jason McKemie
It's not a Gerber or a Leatherman (although I've had both of those), but I've had a couple Kershaw combo edge knives and have nothing but good things to say about them other than I lose them when I'm drunk. The speed safe feature is awesome.

Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

2018-02-23 Thread Jeremy
CL has an option called Fiber Plus that will give them a gig at three locations. ISPs are not eligible, as it no longer allows resale. If they can get that deal, it would be your best bet. They tie everything together on a VLAN. On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] Email Server

2018-02-23 Thread Paul Stewart
+1 on that … good systems go a long ways to reduce support calls.  I’d also support another response that says it gets better with scale – if you have hundreds of users vs 10’s or 100’s of thousands then perspective on this can change quite a bit especially if you’re outsourcing.  Every ISP

[AFMUG] Question for the collective...

2018-02-23 Thread Jaime Solorza
Going to have a meeting with company that has a 1GBps feed to office from CenturyLink. They have four remote locations (4.1, 4.4, 6.2 and 9.1 miles ) from office. All are west and with a 60 degree span if I was using a sectored antenna. On email, they indicated they want licensed links and

Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

2018-02-23 Thread Jeremy
I would assume that you can add a fourth location... On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 9:00 AM, Jeremy wrote: > CL has an option called Fiber Plus that will give them a gig at three > locations. ISPs are not eligible, as it no longer allows resale. If they > can get that deal,

Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

2018-02-23 Thread Jaime Solorza
That is what I was thinking...4 P2P links and tie them in at office...I wonder if you could colocate 4 11GHz links successfully? Jaime Solorza On Feb 23, 2018 9:07 AM, "Lewis Bergman" wrote: > If budget isn't a problem, I would put up P2P to every location in a ring >

Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

2018-02-23 Thread Steve Jones
Is this just public connectivity or inner connectivity also? Lewis has the right idea, inner connect with redundancies, that 9.1 miles isnt necessarily a 9.1 mile shot if there are midpoint in the other facilities. ideally it would be 2.9 from the 6.2 joint. staying under 5 miles keeps you in

Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

2018-02-23 Thread Mathew Howard
That's a good point... there's also potential that you could have even shorter links between some of the others... like if the 4.1 an 4.4 mile joints were actually only .3 miles apart, that opens up all sorts of options. On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:33 AM, Steve Jones

Re: [AFMUG] Email Server

2018-02-23 Thread Joe Novak
I tend to agree with Lewis, if your not already doing email it's a time sink. It's different if you have offered it for years. If your a a new startup it's probably not worth your time. Joe On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 8:52 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote: > I ran Magicmail at

Re: [AFMUG] OT Raspberry PI

2018-02-23 Thread chuck
I don’t know verilog or vhdl. This stuff happened after college. GALs and PALs were just coming on the scene when I stopped making FSM logic machines and started using microcontrollers for everything. From: Chuck Macenski Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 9:48 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject:

Re: [AFMUG] OT Raspberry PI

2018-02-23 Thread Bill Prince
1/4 microsecond is too much jitter? I don't think the pi is going to be your solution. bp On 2/22/2018 5:22 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: I have about 250 nS of jitter on my output signal.

Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

2018-02-23 Thread Jaime Solorza
Yes I am considering that as well...I am getting KMZ files later today Jaime Solorza On Feb 23, 2018 9:38 AM, "Mathew Howard" wrote: That's a good point... there's also potential that you could have even shorter links between some of the others... like if the 4.1 an 4.4

Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

2018-02-23 Thread Dave
Bang it out with PTP820C ring Most of the switching is now for doing such a thing is built right into the ODU if you go all outdoor. They do make a split unit or an all indoor unit as well. On 02/23/2018 10:30 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote: That is what I was thinking...4 P2P links and tie them in

Re: [AFMUG] OT Raspberry PI

2018-02-23 Thread Chuck Macenski
Your other option would be to find a way to setup an internal DMA controller to trigger off of an external input. From your clock source, you would trigger individual DMAs from a static buffer to GPIO connected to some sort of circuit to invert the Mark bits. The DMA controller would loop over the

Re: [AFMUG] Email Server

2018-02-23 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 2/23/18 8:22 AM, Paul Stewart wrote: +1 on that … good systems go a long ways to reduce support calls.  I’d also support another response that says it gets better with scale – if you have hundreds of users vs 10’s or 100’s of thousands then perspective on this can change quite a bit

Re: [AFMUG] Email Server

2018-02-23 Thread Lewis Bergman
Maybe some kind of interpreted pressure. We stopped providing it at some point and just had our installers suggest one of the free services and I can't remember anyone ever having an issue with that. But in the end to each his own. I just never saw that it did anything but cost me money. Very tiny

Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

2018-02-23 Thread Mathew Howard
Yeah, if the actual requirements are a full duplex 1 gig link, then it's going to be expensive. It sounds like this is all going to be sharing the existing 1 gig fiber that they already have, so I suspect that it probably doesn't really need to be a full gig everywhere... if that's the case, then

Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

2018-02-23 Thread Lewis Bergman
I bet he won't have any issues with frequencies where he is. On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 12:04 PM Faisal Imtiaz wrote: > so.. here is how things will break down for you > > to do 1G duplex links, you have a few choices.. > 60ghz or 80ghz (very short

Re: [AFMUG] Email Server

2018-02-23 Thread Paul Stewart
That definitely makes it easier when there is no expectation of providing the email service in most I dealt with, their competition was doing it so there was a certain competitive obligation to do so On 2018-02-23, 1:19 PM, "Af on behalf of Seth Mattinen"

Re: [AFMUG] Email Server

2018-02-23 Thread Bill Prince
We still see a fair number of support calls from people on G/Yahoo/Hot/ mail. Email is a dark swirling vortex of confusion. bp On 2/23/2018 10:48 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote: Maybe some kind of interpreted pressure. We stopped providing it at some point and just had

Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

2018-02-23 Thread Carl Peterson
For the shorter(4-5 mile) links you could do something like the Siklu EX2500 with 2' antennas and a hot fall over (This is a licensed feature but its cheap) They also have an antenna with integrated 5GHz so if you were doing the backup in 5GHz you could do it all on one antenna. The backup radio

Re: [AFMUG] OT Raspberry PI

2018-02-23 Thread chuck
Gag. I always hated dealing with DMA controllers. I think I have a solution with the gates. It is old school but I really don’t have to have the Pi do anything but insert that one single bit at an 8 Khz rate. From: Chuck Macenski Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 12:10 PM To: af@afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Email Server

2018-02-23 Thread Mathew Howard
There was a much higher expectation that email would be provided 5-10 years ago. Now most people don't really care because they're already using something like gmail and aren't going to use an ISP provided email account anyway. On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 12:48 PM, Lewis Bergman

[AFMUG] Bulk upload to ULS for 3.65 registrations

2018-02-23 Thread Sean Heskett
Anyone no of a way to bulk upload 3.65 registrations to the ULS?? -Sean

Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

2018-02-23 Thread Rory Conaway
I would do all the shots less than 7 miles in 18GHz if you can’t get 11GHz. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Carl Peterson Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 12:39 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective... For the shorter(4-5 mile) links you

[AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

2018-02-23 Thread Clint Wiley
Hi, I wanted to see if any of you are offering IPTV to your customers. If so, are any of you using either RodeoTV or RealChoice TV as the wholesale provider? Can any of you provide feedback, thoughts, experiences, etc. on either provider? Thanks, _ Clint Wiley

Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

2018-02-23 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
I am not sure where is the location.. but don't be surprised, the Cell Co's have been chewing up licensed spectrum like crazy with their LTE deployments. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or

Re: [AFMUG] Bulk upload to ULS for 3.65 registrations

2018-02-23 Thread Steve Jones
no last i talked to her, which was some time ago, we do have to put them in, they spit out a nice little spreadsheet for her. sounds like the system is export only On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 2:26 PM, Sean Heskett wrote: > Anyone no of a way to bulk upload 3.65 registrations to the

Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

2018-02-23 Thread Keefe John
I'd like to see a YoutubeTV reseller program.  Has anyone inquired? Keefe On 2/23/2018 2:39 PM, Clint Wiley wrote: Hi, I wanted to see if any of you are offering IPTV to your customers. If so, are any of you using either RodeoTV or RealChoice TV as the wholesale provider? Can any of you

Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

2018-02-23 Thread Steve Jones
fyi, im bench satisfied with saf integra ws 2+0, 11ghz, 1.2gbps duplex and no latency, thats 4 radios 80mhz channel sets, mix 11ghz and 6ghz you can get aggregate rates if they have the money, the multiple radio/antenna footprints, the money, the channels, the money On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 2:54

Re: [AFMUG] Email Server

2018-02-23 Thread Lewis Bergman
Never do your own mail if you don't already do it. Maybe everyone here doing it has found some magic solution but I doubt it. As discussed n this thread, the users get in the way no matter what your efforts. I am cynical, but I doubt anyone here is charging enough to make up for even the support

Re: [AFMUG] OT Raspberry PI

2018-02-23 Thread Lewis Bergman
Every Rubidium GPS timing piece of gear I have ever seen outputs 10MHz. Every device that I have ever seen that takes a timing signal requires 10MHz. I probably have lead a sheltered life but I haven't seen anything else. On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 12:06 AM Robert wrote: >

Re: [AFMUG] OT Raspberry PI

2018-02-23 Thread Chuck McCown
O, I was googling for cheap fpga but did not find anything that cheap. From: Forrest Christian (List Account) Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 9:45 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Raspberry PI You can get a fpga board which might be suitable for this project (after adding appropriate

Re: [AFMUG] OT Raspberry PI

2018-02-23 Thread Chuck McCown
Yes, and one would think that Metaswitch would have a 10 MHz input. From: Lewis Bergman Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 6:44 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Raspberry PI Every Rubidium GPS timing piece of gear I have ever seen outputs 10MHz. Every device that I have ever seen

Re: [AFMUG] OT Raspberry PI

2018-02-23 Thread Mike Hammett
I'm newly in charge of a Metaswitch environment as well. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 7:48:19 AM

Re: [AFMUG] Email Server

2018-02-23 Thread Mike Hammett
Throwing up basic Dovecot and Postfix and that's it on a VM is a bit different of a system than if you actually put some care into it. Put in some time to have a good system and spend less on support. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The

Re: [AFMUG] Email Server

2018-02-23 Thread Lewis Bergman
I ran Magicmail at the end. It was a pretty decent system. I think the only way to reduce support costs is just not answer the phone. Maybe 1% of our support for email had anything to do with something that could even remotely be considered a server issue. It was all stupid user tricks. On Fri,

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