Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[Bill Prince]

I have zero experience in that regard. My youth was pure and unaffected 
by alcohol or pot. I didn't get exposed to pot until my early 20s well 
past college, and I was kind of like Bill Clinton. I smoked it, but 
didn't inhale. It never appealed to me, and I have not indulged in 
several decades. But I do recall from that time that if I was in a car 
going faster than 20 MPH, it was terrifying. I can't imagine trying to 
actually drive; it was too scary just being a passenger.



bp


On 4/18/2018 11:43 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:
I didn't think so until I read a blog from a heavy user after 
legalization.   This was a lifelong user that went "over the top" when 
he became a) rich   b) legal.    Basically after a 3 month bender it 
took 6 months to clear his system from testing positive and his mind 
to be clear enough to get released from over watch. That is one end of 
the scale but it shows to me that there is a accumulation dosage and 
that after taking it you are somewhere on the scale all the way to a 
touch and clear _the next day_...   I have an over-aggressive spleen. 
It's tough for me to get drunk much less stay drunk but it seems THC 
gets all the way past the blood into the tissues.   But I would rather 
deal with a pothead any day than a drunk...  I just personally think 
alcohol for the common user falls off faster.  Oh and edibles...  two 
hours after consumption to effect...  That's a tough one to do 
anything but actual sobriety test...


On 04/18/2018 11:00 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
I know it "sticks around", but I'm not so sure the side effects are 
still there (I am not an authority, but this is what I've read). That 
has been and still is the challenge. I've seen things about the 
development of a test to determine if someone is still under the 
influence, but to date the best way to tell is to perform a full 
sobriety test.



bp


On 4/18/2018 10:48 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:
As long as people are signed up to "Drive a car and test positive, 
Go directly to Jail..."   I don't want to be in this category of 
person, but THC sticks around so long with so much effect that it's 
the major difference between Pot and Alcohol...   Until we have self 
driving cars driving down the freeway high is like shooting 
drunk...  Sure you can do it, but it's nothing close to responsible... 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[Robert Andrews]

I didn't think so until I read a blog from a heavy user after 
legalization.   This was a lifelong user that went "over the top" when 
he became a) rich   b) legal.Basically after a 3 month bender it 
took 6 months to clear his system from testing positive and his mind to 
be clear enough to get released from over watch.   That is one end of 
the scale but it shows to me that there is a accumulation dosage and 
that after taking it you are somewhere on the scale all the way to a 
touch and clear _the next day_...   I have an over-aggressive spleen. 
It's tough for me to get drunk much less stay drunk but it seems THC 
gets all the way past the blood into the tissues.   But I would rather 
deal with a pothead any day than a drunk...  I just personally think 
alcohol for the common user falls off faster.  Oh and edibles...  two 
hours after consumption to effect...  That's a tough one to do anything 
but actual sobriety test...


On 04/18/2018 11:00 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
I know it "sticks around", but I'm not so sure the side effects are 
still there (I am not an authority, but this is what I've read). That 
has been and still is the challenge. I've seen things about the 
development of a test to determine if someone is still under the 
influence, but to date the best way to tell is to perform a full 
sobriety test.



bp


On 4/18/2018 10:48 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:
As long as people are signed up to "Drive a car and test positive, Go 
directly to Jail..."   I don't want to be in this category of person, 
but THC sticks around so long with so much effect that it's the major 
difference between Pot and Alcohol...   Until we have self driving 
cars driving down the freeway high is like shooting drunk...  Sure you 
can do it, but it's nothing close to responsible... 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[chuck]

I have it on very very very good authority driving high is more likely to 
result in you going very slow and paranoid where alcohol makes you (believe 
you are) an exceptionally skilled high speed driver... so I have been 
told...


-Original Message- 
From: Bill Prince

Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 12:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

I know it "sticks around", but I'm not so sure the side effects are
still there (I am not an authority, but this is what I've read). That
has been and still is the challenge. I've seen things about the
development of a test to determine if someone is still under the
influence, but to date the best way to tell is to perform a full
sobriety test.


bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 4/18/2018 10:48 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:
As long as people are signed up to "Drive a car and test positive, Go 
directly to Jail..."   I don't want to be in this category of person, but 
THC sticks around so long with so much effect that it's the major 
difference between Pot and Alcohol...   Until we have self driving cars 
driving down the freeway high is like shooting drunk...  Sure you can do 
it, but it's nothing close to responsible...

Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[Bill Prince]

I know it "sticks around", but I'm not so sure the side effects are 
still there (I am not an authority, but this is what I've read). That 
has been and still is the challenge. I've seen things about the 
development of a test to determine if someone is still under the 
influence, but to date the best way to tell is to perform a full 
sobriety test.



bp


On 4/18/2018 10:48 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:
As long as people are signed up to "Drive a car and test positive, Go 
directly to Jail..."   I don't want to be in this category of person, 
but THC sticks around so long with so much effect that it's the major 
difference between Pot and Alcohol...   Until we have self driving 
cars driving down the freeway high is like shooting drunk...  Sure you 
can do it, but it's nothing close to responsible... 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[Robert Andrews]

As long as people are signed up to "Drive a car and test positive, Go 
directly to Jail..."   I don't want to be in this category of person, 
but THC sticks around so long with so much effect that it's the major 
difference between Pot and Alcohol...   Until we have self driving cars 
driving down the freeway high is like shooting drunk...  Sure you can do 
it, but it's nothing close to responsible...


On 04/17/2018 08:27 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
Decriminalize drugs except in the event of endangering the welfare of a 
child, or risking life/limb of another person.


Drugs are a personal choice. If Jimbo isn't hurting anybody by coming 
home and the end of a day and smoking a joint, or maybe using mushrooms 
or MDA to help overcome emotional trauma, or for religious reasons, 
who's business is that?


Hard drugs are often done to escape inward or to damage onesself or to 
feel something or just... Feel. The root problem is mental health. Let 
people get clean needles in a controlled setting and give them access to 
talk to someone. It's had amazing effects in those mentioned contries.


Oh yeah, it'll right piss off the cartels too.



On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 9:47 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com 
<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:


theres no shortage of criminals

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 6:47 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com
<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:

I wish we would treat drugs here like they do in Spain and
Portugal, but how would our for-profit prison system, police and
federal law enforcement get money?

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 6:42 PM Steve Jones
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

Thats heroin that permantly alters the opoid receptors in
the brain, the molecule is slightly larger than the normal
brain chemical (dopamine i think) its replacing, so the
receptor is enlarged. Its actually that first use that is
why doing heroin is called chasing the dragon, people are
seeking to replicate that first high but never can because
the physiologic change only happens once so its like chasing
a dragon

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 6:18 PM Josh Reynolds
<j...@kyneticwifi.com <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:

That's Fake News.

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 2:21 PM Nate Burke
<n...@blastcomm.com <mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:

I thought I heard somewhere that any use of Meth,
even once, permanently
alters the brain chemistry.  So it's not a
'recreational' drug, and why
it's so addictive.

On 4/17/2018 2:11 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
 > Anything that makes me not want to eat or sleep
isn't for me.  I like
 > those too much.
 >
 > Chuck McCown wrote:
 >> If I am going to use bath salts, they are called
Epsom and they are
 >> dissolved in hot water...
 >> Not really clear what they mean by bath salts.
 >>
 >> I was prescribed Xanax once.  Made me sleepy.
 >> Pot was not my thing back in the 70s...
 >> (I preferred Olympia, Blitz, Rainier, Hamms,
Miller, Heineken, Henry
 >> Winehards Private Reserve...)
 >>
 >> Not really sure what meth does to you but I know
it is horribly
 >> addictive and ruins everyone that gets hooked.
 >> I guess it is a version of speed.  But no direct
experience with that
 >> either.  Not wanting anything that cause my hear
to race.
 >> Coke Zero does that enough for me.
 >>
 >> My wife lived on Oxy after a pair of horrific
surgeries
 >> (decompression of the spine, harrington rods, 14
lag screws into her
 >> vertebrae).
 >> But she didn't get hooked.  Claimed it worked
really well.
 >>
 >> -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
 >> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 12:08 PM
 >> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
 >> 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[Josh Reynolds]

It's a great way to get money though

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018, 10:15 AM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'd be all for that.  I read somewhere that for all the $billions we spend
> on the DEA we are able to stop about 2% of drug traffic.  Sounds like a
> poor investment.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <li...@packetflux.com>
> To: "af" <af@afmug.com>
> Sent: 4/18/2018 12:45:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents
>
> You also avoid some of the issues with questionable quality/potency, and
> the related poisioning/overdose deaths.
>
> If one was to redirect all of the funds spent on the war on drugs (law
> enforcement, prisons, etc) into mental health, rehabilitation and
> education, I think we'd be far better off.
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 10:18 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> wrote:
>
>> That's... That's not at all how it works in the models I'm talking about.
>>
>> You make it 100% legal, and remove the stigma. You provide safe places to
>> get supplies and mental health care.
>>
>> This largely removes the drug market all together (crashes it), making it
>> not a viable thing to sell (better opportunity elsewhere).
>>
>> It also has the highest treatment success rate for overcoming hard drug
>> addiction (mental health care + kratom).
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 11:13 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> decriminalizing maintains the control, keeps people limited to user
>>> amounts only, doesnt turn a junkie into a felon whose life is effectively
>>> over, but the drug dealers can still be put in prison where they go.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 10:58 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If you legalize but tax, there still can be room for a competitor's
>>>> product that is... Ahem tax free.
>>>>
>>>> It's a slipper slope, because if you are taxing it, you are also
>>>> regulating it.
>>>>
>>>> It's crazy ... We allow alcohol but ban weed. Alcohol is disasterous!
>>>>
>>>> You can sell homeopathic snake oil, but if you have a couple of
>>>> mushrooms you found under cowshit in a field you can go to prison.
>>>>
>>>> This is all so stupid.
>>>>
>>>> ... But hey, D.A.R.E.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 10:43 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I like pissing off cartels
>>>>>
>>>>> I always preferred decriminalization to legalization, maintains a
>>>>> secondary effective tax to offset the byproduct cost in treatment, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 10:27 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Decriminalize drugs except in the event of endangering the welfare of
>>>>>> a child, or risking life/limb of another person.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Drugs are a personal choice. If Jimbo isn't hurting anybody by coming
>>>>>> home and the end of a day and smoking a joint, or maybe using mushrooms 
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> MDA to help overcome emotional trauma, or for religious reasons, who's
>>>>>> business is that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hard drugs are often done to escape inward or to damage onesself or
>>>>>> to feel something or just... Feel. The root problem is mental health. Let
>>>>>> people get clean needles in a controlled setting and give them access to
>>>>>> talk to someone. It's had amazing effects in those mentioned contries.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh yeah, it'll right piss off the cartels too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 9:47 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> theres no shortage of criminals
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 6:47 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I wish we would treat drugs here like they do in Spain and
>>>>>>>> Portugal, but how would our f

Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[chuck]

He didn’t as I recall.  I think that if he got busted for a little as smoking 
or having a joint it was going to be 15 years.

From: Dave 
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 9:12 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

WOW..
I hope he didnt fail his piss test :)



On 04/18/2018 09:42 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  The pendulum swings.  I wonder if we get a tiny bit more wise each cycle...

  I remember during the peak of the war on drugs, I had an employee that was on 
the ragged edge of three strikes.  He had backslid a bit and was worried about 
getting nailed during a piss test.  I will always remember one thing he he said 
to me:

  “Fuck Chuck, I could go kill someone and get out of jail faster than if I 
fail this piss test”.

  From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 10:45 PM
  To: af 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

  You also avoid some of the issues with questionable quality/potency, and the 
related poisioning/overdose deaths. 

  If one was to redirect all of the funds spent on the war on drugs (law 
enforcement, prisons, etc) into mental health, rehabilitation and education, I 
think we'd be far better off.




  On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 10:18 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

That's... That's not at all how it works in the models I'm talking about. 

You make it 100% legal, and remove the stigma. You provide safe places to 
get supplies and mental health care.

This largely removes the drug market all together (crashes it), making it 
not a viable thing to sell (better opportunity elsewhere).

It also has the highest treatment success rate for overcoming hard drug 
addiction (mental health care + kratom).



On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 11:13 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

  decriminalizing maintains the control, keeps people limited to user 
amounts only, doesnt turn a junkie into a felon whose life is effectively over, 
but the drug dealers can still be put in prison where they go.

  On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 10:58 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> 
wrote:

If you legalize but tax, there still can be room for a competitor's 
product that is... Ahem tax free. 

It's a slipper slope, because if you are taxing it, you are also 
regulating it.

It's crazy ... We allow alcohol but ban weed. Alcohol is disasterous!

You can sell homeopathic snake oil, but if you have a couple of 
mushrooms you found under cowshit in a field you can go to prison.

This is all so stupid.

... But hey, D.A.R.E.

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 10:43 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

  I like pissing off cartels 

  I always preferred decriminalization to legalization, maintains a 
secondary effective tax to offset the byproduct cost in treatment, etc. 

  On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 10:27 PM, Josh Reynolds 
<j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

Decriminalize drugs except in the event of endangering the welfare 
of a child, or risking life/limb of another person. 

Drugs are a personal choice. If Jimbo isn't hurting anybody by 
coming home and the end of a day and smoking a joint, or maybe using mushrooms 
or MDA to help overcome emotional trauma, or for religious reasons, who's 
business is that?

Hard drugs are often done to escape inward or to damage onesself or 
to feel something or just... Feel. The root problem is mental health. Let 
people get clean needles in a controlled setting and give them access to talk 
to someone. It's had amazing effects in those mentioned contries.

Oh yeah, it'll right piss off the cartels too.



On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 9:47 PM Steve Jones 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

  theres no shortage of criminals

  On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 6:47 PM, Josh Reynolds 
<j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

I wish we would treat drugs here like they do in Spain and 
Portugal, but how would our for-profit prison system, police and federal law 
enforcement get money?

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 6:42 PM Steve Jones 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

  Thats heroin that permantly alters the opoid receptors in the 
brain, the molecule is slightly larger than the normal brain chemical (dopamine 
i think) its replacing, so the receptor is enlarged. Its actually that first 
use that is why doing heroin is called chasing the dragon, people are seeking 
to replicate that first high but never can because the physiologic change only 
happens once so its like chasing a dragon


  On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 6:18 PM Josh Reynolds 
<j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

That's Fake News.

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 2:21 PM Nate Burke 
<n...@blastcomm.com> wrote:

  

Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[Adam Moffett]

I'd be all for that.  I read somewhere that for all the $billions we 
spend on the DEA we are able to stop about 2% of drug traffic.  Sounds 
like a poor investment.



-- Original Message --
From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <li...@packetflux.com>
To: "af" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 4/18/2018 12:45:27 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

You also avoid some of the issues with questionable quality/potency, 
and the related poisioning/overdose deaths.


If one was to redirect all of the funds spent on the war on drugs (law 
enforcement, prisons, etc) into mental health, rehabilitation and 
education, I think we'd be far better off.





On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 10:18 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> 
wrote:
That's... That's not at all how it works in the models I'm talking 
about.


You make it 100% legal, and remove the stigma. You provide safe places 
to get supplies and mental health care.


This largely removes the drug market all together (crashes it), making 
it not a viable thing to sell (better opportunity elsewhere).


It also has the highest treatment success rate for overcoming hard 
drug addiction (mental health care + kratom).



On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 11:13 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> 
wrote:
decriminalizing maintains the control, keeps people limited to user 
amounts only, doesnt turn a junkie into a felon whose life is 
effectively over, but the drug dealers can still be put in prison 
where they go.


On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 10:58 PM, Josh Reynolds 
<j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
If you legalize but tax, there still can be room for a competitor's 
product that is... Ahem tax free.


It's a slipper slope, because if you are taxing it, you are also 
regulating it.


It's crazy ... We allow alcohol but ban weed. Alcohol is 
disasterous!


You can sell homeopathic snake oil, but if you have a couple of 
mushrooms you found under cowshit in a field you can go to prison.


This is all so stupid.

... But hey, D.A.R.E.

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 10:43 PM Steve Jones 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

I like pissing off cartels

I always preferred decriminalization to legalization, maintains a 
secondary effective tax to offset the byproduct cost in treatment, 
etc.


On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 10:27 PM, Josh Reynolds 
<j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
Decriminalize drugs except in the event of endangering the welfare 
of a child, or risking life/limb of another person.


Drugs are a personal choice. If Jimbo isn't hurting anybody by 
coming home and the end of a day and smoking a joint, or maybe 
using mushrooms or MDA to help overcome emotional trauma, or for 
religious reasons, who's business is that?


Hard drugs are often done to escape inward or to damage onesself 
or to feel something or just... Feel. The root problem is mental 
health. Let people get clean needles in a controlled setting and 
give them access to talk to someone. It's had amazing effects in 
those mentioned contries.


Oh yeah, it'll right piss off the cartels too.



On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 9:47 PM Steve Jones 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

theres no shortage of criminals

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 6:47 PM, Josh Reynolds 
<j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
I wish we would treat drugs here like they do in Spain and 
Portugal, but how would our for-profit prison system, police and 
federal law enforcement get money?


On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 6:42 PM Steve Jones 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
Thats heroin that permantly alters the opoid receptors in the 
brain, the molecule is slightly larger than the normal brain 
chemical (dopamine i think) its replacing, so the receptor is 
enlarged. Its actually that first use that is why doing heroin 
is called chasing the dragon, people are seeking to replicate 
that first high but never can because the physiologic change 
only happens once so its like chasing a dragon


On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 6:18 PM Josh Reynolds 
<j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

That's Fake News.

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 2:21 PM Nate Burke <n...@blastcomm.com> 
wrote:
I thought I heard somewhere that any use of Meth, even once, 
permanently
alters the brain chemistry.  So it's not a 'recreational' 
drug, and why

it's so addictive.

On 4/17/2018 2:11 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
> Anything that makes me not want to eat or sleep isn't for 
me.  I like

> those too much.
>
> Chuck McCown wrote:
>> If I am going to use bath salts, they are called Epsom and 
they are

>> dissolved in hot water...
>> Not really clear what they mean by bath salts.
>>
>> I was prescribed Xanax once.  Made me sleepy.
>> Pot was not my thing back in the 70s...
>> (I preferred Olympia, Blitz, Rainier, Hamms, Miller, 
Heineken, Henry

>> Winehards Private Reserve...)
>>
>> Not really sure what meth does to you but I know it is 
horribly

>> addictive a

Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[Dave]

WOW..
I hope he didnt fail his piss test :)


On 04/18/2018 09:42 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
The pendulum swings.  I wonder if we get a tiny bit more wise each 
cycle...
I remember during the peak of the war on drugs, I had an employee that 
was on the ragged edge of three strikes.  He had backslid a bit and 
was worried about getting nailed during a piss test.  I will always 
remember one thing he he said to me:
“Fuck Chuck, I could go kill someone and get out of jail faster than 
if I fail this piss test”.

*From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 17, 2018 10:45 PM
*To:* af
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents
You also avoid some of the issues with questionable quality/potency, 
and the related poisioning/overdose deaths.
If one was to redirect all of the funds spent on the war on drugs (law 
enforcement, prisons, etc) into mental health, rehabilitation and 
education, I think we'd be far better off.
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 10:18 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> 
wrote:


That's... That's not at all how it works in the models I'm talking
about.
You make it 100% legal, and remove the stigma. You provide safe
places to get supplies and mental health care.
This largely removes the drug market all together (crashes it),
making it not a viable thing to sell (better opportunity elsewhere).
It also has the highest treatment success rate for overcoming hard
drug addiction (mental health care + kratom).


On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 11:13 PM Steve Jones
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

decriminalizing maintains the control, keeps people limited to
user amounts only, doesnt turn a junkie into a felon whose
life is effectively over, but the drug dealers can still be
put in prison where they go.
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 10:58 PM, Josh Reynolds
<j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

If you legalize but tax, there still can be room for a
competitor's product that is... Ahem tax free.
It's a slipper slope, because if you are taxing it, you
are also regulating it.
It's crazy ... We allow alcohol but ban weed. Alcohol is
disasterous!
You can sell homeopathic snake oil, but if you have a
couple of mushrooms you found under cowshit in a field you
can go to prison.
This is all so stupid.
... But hey, D.A.R.E.
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 10:43 PM Steve Jones
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

I like pissing off cartels
I always preferred decriminalization to legalization,
maintains a secondary effective tax to offset the
byproduct cost in treatment, etc.
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 10:27 PM, Josh Reynolds
<j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

Decriminalize drugs except in the event of
endangering the welfare of a child, or risking
life/limb of another person.
Drugs are a personal choice. If Jimbo isn't
hurting anybody by coming home and the end of a
day and smoking a joint, or maybe using mushrooms
or MDA to help overcome emotional trauma, or for
religious reasons, who's business is that?
Hard drugs are often done to escape inward or to
damage onesself or to feel something or just...
Feel. The root problem is mental health. Let
people get clean needles in a controlled setting
and give them access to talk to someone. It's had
amazing effects in those mentioned contries.
Oh yeah, it'll right piss off the cartels too.
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 9:47 PM Steve Jones
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

theres no shortage of criminals
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 6:47 PM, Josh Reynolds
<j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

I wish we would treat drugs here like they
do in Spain and Portugal, but how would
our for-profit prison system, police and
federal law enforcement get money?
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 6:42 PM Steve Jones
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thats heroin that permantly alters the
opoid receptors in the brain, the
molecule is slightly larger than the
normal brain chemical (dopamine i
 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[chuck]

The pendulum swings.  I wonder if we get a tiny bit more wise each cycle...

I remember during the peak of the war on drugs, I had an employee that was on 
the ragged edge of three strikes.  He had backslid a bit and was worried about 
getting nailed during a piss test.  I will always remember one thing he he said 
to me:

“Fuck Chuck, I could go kill someone and get out of jail faster than if I fail 
this piss test”.

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 10:45 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

You also avoid some of the issues with questionable quality/potency, and the 
related poisioning/overdose deaths. 

If one was to redirect all of the funds spent on the war on drugs (law 
enforcement, prisons, etc) into mental health, rehabilitation and education, I 
think we'd be far better off.




On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 10:18 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

  That's... That's not at all how it works in the models I'm talking about. 

  You make it 100% legal, and remove the stigma. You provide safe places to get 
supplies and mental health care.

  This largely removes the drug market all together (crashes it), making it not 
a viable thing to sell (better opportunity elsewhere).

  It also has the highest treatment success rate for overcoming hard drug 
addiction (mental health care + kratom).



  On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 11:13 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

decriminalizing maintains the control, keeps people limited to user amounts 
only, doesnt turn a junkie into a felon whose life is effectively over, but the 
drug dealers can still be put in prison where they go.

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 10:58 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> 
wrote:

  If you legalize but tax, there still can be room for a competitor's 
product that is... Ahem tax free. 

  It's a slipper slope, because if you are taxing it, you are also 
regulating it.

  It's crazy ... We allow alcohol but ban weed. Alcohol is disasterous!

  You can sell homeopathic snake oil, but if you have a couple of mushrooms 
you found under cowshit in a field you can go to prison.

  This is all so stupid.

  ... But hey, D.A.R.E.

  On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 10:43 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

I like pissing off cartels 

I always preferred decriminalization to legalization, maintains a 
secondary effective tax to offset the byproduct cost in treatment, etc. 

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 10:27 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> 
wrote:

  Decriminalize drugs except in the event of endangering the welfare of 
a child, or risking life/limb of another person. 

  Drugs are a personal choice. If Jimbo isn't hurting anybody by coming 
home and the end of a day and smoking a joint, or maybe using mushrooms or MDA 
to help overcome emotional trauma, or for religious reasons, who's business is 
that?

  Hard drugs are often done to escape inward or to damage onesself or 
to feel something or just... Feel. The root problem is mental health. Let 
people get clean needles in a controlled setting and give them access to talk 
to someone. It's had amazing effects in those mentioned contries.

  Oh yeah, it'll right piss off the cartels too.



  On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 9:47 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

theres no shortage of criminals

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 6:47 PM, Josh Reynolds 
<j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

  I wish we would treat drugs here like they do in Spain and 
Portugal, but how would our for-profit prison system, police and federal law 
enforcement get money?

  On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 6:42 PM Steve Jones 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thats heroin that permantly alters the opoid receptors in the 
brain, the molecule is slightly larger than the normal brain chemical (dopamine 
i think) its replacing, so the receptor is enlarged. Its actually that first 
use that is why doing heroin is called chasing the dragon, people are seeking 
to replicate that first high but never can because the physiologic change only 
happens once so its like chasing a dragon


On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 6:18 PM Josh Reynolds 
<j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

  That's Fake News.

  On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 2:21 PM Nate Burke <n...@blastcomm.com> 
wrote:

I thought I heard somewhere that any use of Meth, even 
once, permanently 
alters the brain chemistry.  So it's not a 'recreational' 
drug, and why 
it's so addictive.

On 4/17/2018 2:11 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
> Anything that makes me not want to eat or sleep isn't for 
me.  I like 
> those too mu

Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[Mitch Koep]

Steve

I feel for you

We took our granddaughter when she was 9 months old and she just turned 8

When son was busted for Meth

Last two years alone the step son got 2500.00 for attorney, a 5000.00  
car, 1800.00 for a no insurance ticket.


Before that I was done BUT wife's son so rather than fight it was pay...

I feel you but the shinning thing in our life that makes it ok for me is 
Hannalou


She is the best thing we could have done

So look to the kids if you can and be there for them and hopefully the 
rest will work out


Mitch Koep

218-851-8689 cell


On 4/17/2018 12:41 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
They released the report, they seized appox 70 grams of xanax, 16 
doses od suboxone (essentially heroin) 11.8 grams of bath salts. other 
misch controlled substance pills as well as delivery of meth charges.

fucking bath salts

On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 8:18 AM, Dave <dmilho...@wletc.com 
<mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote:


I hear the same shit as lewis and the sheriff mentioned that Every
vehicle that is pulled over has some form of drug or paraphernalia
in it.
Meth is the demon drug that will cause even the most humble become
demented.
A peer of my rank in the army said "That some were just not meant
to breed!" We laughed about it but I do believe there is some
truth to that.



On 04/15/2018 05:11 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

I think Meth answers all your "why" questions. Since I deal with
almost every sheriff in and most every drug focused law
enforcement I hear a lot of their stories. One of them tells me
that 95%+ of crime is drug related. CPS type problems they put at
about 80% with the remaining 15% made of of perverts that should
probably be castrated upon a verdict.

On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 10:03 AM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

I had a similar situation.  Rather my wife did.  We took the
kids in (her sister’s kids).
Very similar situation, neglected, abused, drugs etc.
One of the parents got them back for a while, then the other.
Those kids still think of my wife as “mom”.  They are all
grown up with grandkids of their own now.
One of them is a solid cop in Reno. The other has not turned
out so well.
The world needs standup guys like you.
*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Saturday, April 14, 2018 11:00 PM
    *To:* af@afmug.com
    *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents
You folks get my vent because i cant anywherr else. So like 7
years ago we took in my old ladys nephews because, well
fuckwit parents. FYI the foster care system is aweful. We
fostered them for a year and half while her brother and baby
momma sorted their shit, or so we thought. The 18 month old
at the time had a club foot, i had to build a sleeping rig
with some shoes with the ankles hooked together and the toes
locked outward with a ruler, i worked his legs in and out til
his hip popped one night, i thought i broke his hip, but it
was just something going back. The 4 year old you couldbt
understand cause they thought baby talk was cute so they
never taught him to speak. We fixed that, and that was the
least bad of the fuckery. This was me, the old lady,
a1,2,4,and 5 year old with our 2 in a tiny 2 bedroom.
Finally got these boys shaped up and bought a house for room,
and a week later they gave them back to the mom. The old
ladies brother never did what he was supposed to.
Now today was their grandmas (my old ladies step moms)
funeral, so whats this trashcan do? Gets arrested for selling
fucking meth
So dealing with all that comes with a funeral, we had to be
late dealing with the child services people. Get all that
squared away, get through the funeral and now find out we
also get the joy of headlice.
Seriously, fucking shit fuck. How do people do this shit to
kids, theyre not just a thing you have while doing other things.
Im not lawfully allowed to discuss any of this with anyone
who is remotely involved, i figure none of you are.
But seriously, what the fuck, you get your kids back and sell
meth. And theyre already asking if they sign their righys if
they can see the kids still.
I have very few skills, and none of rhem involve the ability
to not want to feed these people lead



-- 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[Jason McKemie]

There is a good Stuff You Should Know episode on bath salts.  Most of the
crap you used to hear in the news being attributed to it is bullshit.
Still stupid, just not the same kind of crazy stupid that people think.

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 1:18 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> If I am going to use bath salts, they are called Epsom and they are
> dissolved in hot water...
> Not really clear what they mean by bath salts.
>
> I was prescribed Xanax once.  Made me sleepy.
> Pot was not my thing back in the 70s...
> (I preferred Olympia, Blitz, Rainier, Hamms, Miller, Heineken, Henry
> Winehards Private Reserve...)
>
> Not really sure what meth does to you but I know it is horribly addictive
> and ruins everyone that gets hooked.
> I guess it is a version of speed.  But no direct experience with that
> either.  Not wanting anything that cause my hear to race.
> Coke Zero does that enough for me.
>
> My wife lived on Oxy after a pair of horrific surgeries (decompression of
> the spine, harrington rods, 14 lag screws into her vertebrae).
> But she didn't get hooked.  Claimed it worked really well.
>
> -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 12:08 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents
>
>
> I understand opiods, Xanax and pot but meth just doesn't sound like fun
> and bath salts has to be the lowest of lows.  Granted, all I know about
> bath salts are the videos I've come across.
>
> Steve Jones wrote:
>
>> They released the report, they seized appox 70 grams of xanax, 16 doses
>> od suboxone (essentially heroin) 11.8 grams of bath salts. other misch
>> controlled substance pills as well as delivery of meth charges.
>> fucking bath salts
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 8:18 AM, Dave <dmilho...@wletc.com > dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I hear the same shit as lewis and the sheriff mentioned that Every
>> vehicle that is pulled over has some form of drug or paraphernalia
>> in it.
>> Meth is the demon drug that will cause even the most humble become
>> demented.
>> A peer of my rank in the army said "That some were just not meant
>> to breed!" We laughed about it but I do believe there is some
>> truth to that.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 04/15/2018 05:11 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>
>>> I think Meth answers all your "why" questions. Since I deal with
>>> almost every sheriff in and most every drug focused law
>>> enforcement I hear a lot of their stories. One of them tells me
>>> that 95%+ of crime is drug related. CPS type problems they put at
>>> about 80% with the remaining 15% made of of perverts that should
>>> probably be castrated upon a verdict.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 10:03 AM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I had a similar situation.  Rather my wife did.  We took the
>>> kids in (her sister’s kids).
>>> Very similar situation, neglected, abused, drugs etc.
>>> One of the parents got them back for a while, then the other.
>>> Those kids still think of my wife as “mom”.  They are all
>>> grown up with grandkids of their own now.
>>> One of them is a solid cop in Reno. The other has not turned
>>> out so well.
>>> The world needs standup guys like you.
>>> *From:* Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, April 14, 2018 11:00 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents
>>> You folks get my vent because i cant anywherr else. So like 7
>>> years ago we took in my old ladys nephews because, well
>>> fuckwit parents. FYI the foster care system is aweful. We
>>> fostered them for a year and half while her brother and baby
>>> momma sorted their shit, or so we thought. The 18 month old
>>> at the time had a club foot, i had to build a sleeping rig
>>> with some shoes with the ankles hooked together and the toes
>>> locked outward with a ruler, i worked his legs in and out til
>>> his hip popped one night, i thought i broke his hip, but it
>>> was just something going back. The 4 year old you couldbt
>>> understand cause they thought baby talk was cute so they
>>> never taught him to speak. We fixed that, and that was the
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[Josh Reynolds]

n the
>>>>>>>>> brain, the molecule is slightly larger than the normal brain chemical
>>>>>>>>> (dopamine i think) its replacing, so the receptor is enlarged. Its 
>>>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>>>> that first use that is why doing heroin is called chasing the dragon,
>>>>>>>>> people are seeking to replicate that first high but never can because 
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> physiologic change only happens once so its like chasing a dragon
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 6:18 PM Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's Fake News.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 2:21 PM Nate Burke <n...@blastcomm.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I thought I heard somewhere that any use of Meth, even once,
>>>>>>>>>>> permanently
>>>>>>>>>>> alters the brain chemistry.  So it's not a 'recreational' drug,
>>>>>>>>>>> and why
>>>>>>>>>>> it's so addictive.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/17/2018 2:11 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> > Anything that makes me not want to eat or sleep isn't for me.
>>>>>>>>>>> I like
>>>>>>>>>>> > those too much.
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >> If I am going to use bath salts, they are called Epsom and
>>>>>>>>>>> they are
>>>>>>>>>>> >> dissolved in hot water...
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Not really clear what they mean by bath salts.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> I was prescribed Xanax once.  Made me sleepy.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Pot was not my thing back in the 70s...
>>>>>>>>>>> >> (I preferred Olympia, Blitz, Rainier, Hamms, Miller,
>>>>>>>>>>> Heineken, Henry
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Winehards Private Reserve...)
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Not really sure what meth does to you but I know it is
>>>>>>>>>>> horribly
>>>>>>>>>>> >> addictive and ruins everyone that gets hooked.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> I guess it is a version of speed.  But no direct experience
>>>>>>>>>>> with that
>>>>>>>>>>> >> either.  Not wanting anything that cause my hear to race.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Coke Zero does that enough for me.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> My wife lived on Oxy after a pair of horrific surgeries
>>>>>>>>>>> >> (decompression of the spine, harrington rods, 14 lag screws
>>>>>>>>>>> into her
>>>>>>>>>>> >> vertebrae).
>>>>>>>>>>> >> But she didn't get hooked.  Claimed it worked really well.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 12:08 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> >> To: af@afmug.com
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> I understand opiods, Xanax and pot but meth just doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>> sound like fun
>>>>>>>>>>> >> and bath salts has to be the lowest of lows.  Granted, all I
>>>>>>>>>>> know about
>>>>>>>>>>> >> bath salts are the videos I've come across.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

o its like chasing a dragon
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 6:18 PM Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's Fake News.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 2:21 PM Nate Burke <n...@blastcomm.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I thought I heard somewhere that any use of Meth, even once,
>>>>>>>>>> permanently
>>>>>>>>>> alters the brain chemistry.  So it's not a 'recreational' drug,
>>>>>>>>>> and why
>>>>>>>>>> it's so addictive.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 4/17/2018 2:11 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> > Anything that makes me not want to eat or sleep isn't for me.
>>>>>>>>>> I like
>>>>>>>>>> > those too much.
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >> If I am going to use bath salts, they are called Epsom and
>>>>>>>>>> they are
>>>>>>>>>> >> dissolved in hot water...
>>>>>>>>>> >> Not really clear what they mean by bath salts.
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> I was prescribed Xanax once.  Made me sleepy.
>>>>>>>>>> >> Pot was not my thing back in the 70s...
>>>>>>>>>> >> (I preferred Olympia, Blitz, Rainier, Hamms, Miller, Heineken,
>>>>>>>>>> Henry
>>>>>>>>>> >> Winehards Private Reserve...)
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> Not really sure what meth does to you but I know it is
>>>>>>>>>> horribly
>>>>>>>>>> >> addictive and ruins everyone that gets hooked.
>>>>>>>>>> >> I guess it is a version of speed.  But no direct experience
>>>>>>>>>> with that
>>>>>>>>>> >> either.  Not wanting anything that cause my hear to race.
>>>>>>>>>> >> Coke Zero does that enough for me.
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> My wife lived on Oxy after a pair of horrific surgeries
>>>>>>>>>> >> (decompression of the spine, harrington rods, 14 lag screws
>>>>>>>>>> into her
>>>>>>>>>> >> vertebrae).
>>>>>>>>>> >> But she didn't get hooked.  Claimed it worked really well.
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
>>>>>>>>>> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 12:08 PM
>>>>>>>>>> >> To: af@afmug.com
>>>>>>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> I understand opiods, Xanax and pot but meth just doesn't sound
>>>>>>>>>> like fun
>>>>>>>>>> >> and bath salts has to be the lowest of lows.  Granted, all I
>>>>>>>>>> know about
>>>>>>>>>> >> bath salts are the videos I've come across.
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> Steve Jones wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>> They released the report, they seized appox 70 grams of
>>>>>>>>>> xanax, 16
>>>>>>>>>> >>> doses od suboxone (essentially heroin) 11.8 grams of bath
>>>>>>>>>> salts.
>>>>>>>>>> >>> other misch controlled substance pills as well as delivery of
>>>>>>>>>> meth
>>>>>>>>>> >>> charges.
>>>>>>>>>> >>> fucking bath salts
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[Josh Reynolds]

r 17, 2018, 6:42 PM Steve Jones <
>>>>>>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thats heroin that permantly alters the opoid receptors in the
>>>>>>>>> brain, the molecule is slightly larger than the normal brain chemical
>>>>>>>>> (dopamine i think) its replacing, so the receptor is enlarged. Its 
>>>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>>>> that first use that is why doing heroin is called chasing the dragon,
>>>>>>>>> people are seeking to replicate that first high but never can because 
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> physiologic change only happens once so its like chasing a dragon
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 6:18 PM Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's Fake News.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 2:21 PM Nate Burke <n...@blastcomm.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I thought I heard somewhere that any use of Meth, even once,
>>>>>>>>>>> permanently
>>>>>>>>>>> alters the brain chemistry.  So it's not a 'recreational' drug,
>>>>>>>>>>> and why
>>>>>>>>>>> it's so addictive.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/17/2018 2:11 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> > Anything that makes me not want to eat or sleep isn't for me.
>>>>>>>>>>> I like
>>>>>>>>>>> > those too much.
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >> If I am going to use bath salts, they are called Epsom and
>>>>>>>>>>> they are
>>>>>>>>>>> >> dissolved in hot water...
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Not really clear what they mean by bath salts.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> I was prescribed Xanax once.  Made me sleepy.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Pot was not my thing back in the 70s...
>>>>>>>>>>> >> (I preferred Olympia, Blitz, Rainier, Hamms, Miller,
>>>>>>>>>>> Heineken, Henry
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Winehards Private Reserve...)
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Not really sure what meth does to you but I know it is
>>>>>>>>>>> horribly
>>>>>>>>>>> >> addictive and ruins everyone that gets hooked.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> I guess it is a version of speed.  But no direct experience
>>>>>>>>>>> with that
>>>>>>>>>>> >> either.  Not wanting anything that cause my hear to race.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Coke Zero does that enough for me.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> My wife lived on Oxy after a pair of horrific surgeries
>>>>>>>>>>> >> (decompression of the spine, harrington rods, 14 lag screws
>>>>>>>>>>> into her
>>>>>>>>>>> >> vertebrae).
>>>>>>>>>>> >> But she didn't get hooked.  Claimed it worked really well.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 12:08 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> >> To: af@afmug.com
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> I understand opiods, Xanax and pot but meth just doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>> sound like fun
>>>>>>>>>>> >> and

Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[Steve Jones]

gt;>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's Fake News.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 2:21 PM Nate Burke <n...@blastcomm.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I thought I heard somewhere that any use of Meth, even once,
>>>>>>>>>> permanently
>>>>>>>>>> alters the brain chemistry.  So it's not a 'recreational' drug,
>>>>>>>>>> and why
>>>>>>>>>> it's so addictive.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 4/17/2018 2:11 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> > Anything that makes me not want to eat or sleep isn't for me.
>>>>>>>>>> I like
>>>>>>>>>> > those too much.
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >> If I am going to use bath salts, they are called Epsom and
>>>>>>>>>> they are
>>>>>>>>>> >> dissolved in hot water...
>>>>>>>>>> >> Not really clear what they mean by bath salts.
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> I was prescribed Xanax once.  Made me sleepy.
>>>>>>>>>> >> Pot was not my thing back in the 70s...
>>>>>>>>>> >> (I preferred Olympia, Blitz, Rainier, Hamms, Miller, Heineken,
>>>>>>>>>> Henry
>>>>>>>>>> >> Winehards Private Reserve...)
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> Not really sure what meth does to you but I know it is
>>>>>>>>>> horribly
>>>>>>>>>> >> addictive and ruins everyone that gets hooked.
>>>>>>>>>> >> I guess it is a version of speed.  But no direct experience
>>>>>>>>>> with that
>>>>>>>>>> >> either.  Not wanting anything that cause my hear to race.
>>>>>>>>>> >> Coke Zero does that enough for me.
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> My wife lived on Oxy after a pair of horrific surgeries
>>>>>>>>>> >> (decompression of the spine, harrington rods, 14 lag screws
>>>>>>>>>> into her
>>>>>>>>>> >> vertebrae).
>>>>>>>>>> >> But she didn't get hooked.  Claimed it worked really well.
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
>>>>>>>>>> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 12:08 PM
>>>>>>>>>> >> To: af@afmug.com
>>>>>>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> I understand opiods, Xanax and pot but meth just doesn't sound
>>>>>>>>>> like fun
>>>>>>>>>> >> and bath salts has to be the lowest of lows.  Granted, all I
>>>>>>>>>> know about
>>>>>>>>>> >> bath salts are the videos I've come across.
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> Steve Jones wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>> They released the report, they seized appox 70 grams of
>>>>>>>>>> xanax, 16
>>>>>>>>>> >>> doses od suboxone (essentially heroin) 11.8 grams of bath
>>>>>>>>>> salts.
>>>>>>>>>> >>> other misch controlled substance pills as well as delivery of
>>>>>>>>>> meth
>>>>>>>>>> >>> charges.
>>>>>>>>>> >>> fucking bath salts
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>> On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 8:18 AM, Dave <dmilho...@wletc.com
>>>>>>>>>> >>> <mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[Josh Reynolds]

ational' drug,
>>>>>>>>> and why
>>>>>>>>> it's so addictive.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 4/17/2018 2:11 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > Anything that makes me not want to eat or sleep isn't for me.  I
>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>> > those too much.
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >> If I am going to use bath salts, they are called Epsom and they
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>> >> dissolved in hot water...
>>>>>>>>> >> Not really clear what they mean by bath salts.
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> I was prescribed Xanax once.  Made me sleepy.
>>>>>>>>> >> Pot was not my thing back in the 70s...
>>>>>>>>> >> (I preferred Olympia, Blitz, Rainier, Hamms, Miller, Heineken,
>>>>>>>>> Henry
>>>>>>>>> >> Winehards Private Reserve...)
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> Not really sure what meth does to you but I know it is horribly
>>>>>>>>> >> addictive and ruins everyone that gets hooked.
>>>>>>>>> >> I guess it is a version of speed.  But no direct experience
>>>>>>>>> with that
>>>>>>>>> >> either.  Not wanting anything that cause my hear to race.
>>>>>>>>> >> Coke Zero does that enough for me.
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> My wife lived on Oxy after a pair of horrific surgeries
>>>>>>>>> >> (decompression of the spine, harrington rods, 14 lag screws
>>>>>>>>> into her
>>>>>>>>> >> vertebrae).
>>>>>>>>> >> But she didn't get hooked.  Claimed it worked really well.
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
>>>>>>>>> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 12:08 PM
>>>>>>>>> >> To: af@afmug.com
>>>>>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> I understand opiods, Xanax and pot but meth just doesn't sound
>>>>>>>>> like fun
>>>>>>>>> >> and bath salts has to be the lowest of lows.  Granted, all I
>>>>>>>>> know about
>>>>>>>>> >> bath salts are the videos I've come across.
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> Steve Jones wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>> They released the report, they seized appox 70 grams of xanax,
>>>>>>>>> 16
>>>>>>>>> >>> doses od suboxone (essentially heroin) 11.8 grams of bath
>>>>>>>>> salts.
>>>>>>>>> >>> other misch controlled substance pills as well as delivery of
>>>>>>>>> meth
>>>>>>>>> >>> charges.
>>>>>>>>> >>> fucking bath salts
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 8:18 AM, Dave <dmilho...@wletc.com
>>>>>>>>> >>> <mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> I hear the same shit as lewis and the sheriff mentioned
>>>>>>>>> that Every
>>>>>>>>> >>> vehicle that is pulled over has some form of drug or
>>>>>>>>> paraphernalia
>>>>>>>>> >>> in it.
>>>>>>>>> >>> Meth is the demon drug that will cause even the most
>>>>>>>>> humble become
>>>>>>>>> >>> demented.
>>>>>>>>> >>> A peer of my rank in the army said "That some were just
>>>>>>>>> not meant
>>>>>>>>&

Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[Steve Jones]

decriminalizing maintains the control, keeps people limited to user amounts
only, doesnt turn a junkie into a felon whose life is effectively over, but
the drug dealers can still be put in prison where they go.

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 10:58 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
wrote:

> If you legalize but tax, there still can be room for a competitor's
> product that is... Ahem tax free.
>
> It's a slipper slope, because if you are taxing it, you are also
> regulating it.
>
> It's crazy ... We allow alcohol but ban weed. Alcohol is disasterous!
>
> You can sell homeopathic snake oil, but if you have a couple of mushrooms
> you found under cowshit in a field you can go to prison.
>
> This is all so stupid.
>
> ... But hey, D.A.R.E.
>
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 10:43 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I like pissing off cartels
>>
>> I always preferred decriminalization to legalization, maintains a
>> secondary effective tax to offset the byproduct cost in treatment, etc.
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 10:27 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Decriminalize drugs except in the event of endangering the welfare of a
>>> child, or risking life/limb of another person.
>>>
>>> Drugs are a personal choice. If Jimbo isn't hurting anybody by coming
>>> home and the end of a day and smoking a joint, or maybe using mushrooms or
>>> MDA to help overcome emotional trauma, or for religious reasons, who's
>>> business is that?
>>>
>>> Hard drugs are often done to escape inward or to damage onesself or to
>>> feel something or just... Feel. The root problem is mental health. Let
>>> people get clean needles in a controlled setting and give them access to
>>> talk to someone. It's had amazing effects in those mentioned contries.
>>>
>>> Oh yeah, it'll right piss off the cartels too.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 9:47 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> theres no shortage of criminals
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 6:47 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I wish we would treat drugs here like they do in Spain and Portugal,
>>>>> but how would our for-profit prison system, police and federal law
>>>>> enforcement get money?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 6:42 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thats heroin that permantly alters the opoid receptors in the brain,
>>>>>> the molecule is slightly larger than the normal brain chemical (dopamine 
>>>>>> i
>>>>>> think) its replacing, so the receptor is enlarged. Its actually that 
>>>>>> first
>>>>>> use that is why doing heroin is called chasing the dragon, people are
>>>>>> seeking to replicate that first high but never can because the 
>>>>>> physiologic
>>>>>> change only happens once so its like chasing a dragon
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 6:18 PM Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's Fake News.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 2:21 PM Nate Burke <n...@blastcomm.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I thought I heard somewhere that any use of Meth, even once,
>>>>>>>> permanently
>>>>>>>> alters the brain chemistry.  So it's not a 'recreational' drug, and
>>>>>>>> why
>>>>>>>> it's so addictive.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 4/17/2018 2:11 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>>>>>>>> > Anything that makes me not want to eat or sleep isn't for me.  I
>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>> > those too much.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>>>>>> >> If I am going to use bath salts, they are called Epsom and they
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> >> dissolved in hot water...
>>>>>>>> >> Not really clear what they mean by bath salts.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> I was prescrib

Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[Josh Reynolds]

If you legalize but tax, there still can be room for a competitor's product
that is... Ahem tax free.

It's a slipper slope, because if you are taxing it, you are also regulating
it.

It's crazy ... We allow alcohol but ban weed. Alcohol is disasterous!

You can sell homeopathic snake oil, but if you have a couple of mushrooms
you found under cowshit in a field you can go to prison.

This is all so stupid.

... But hey, D.A.R.E.

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 10:43 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I like pissing off cartels
>
> I always preferred decriminalization to legalization, maintains a
> secondary effective tax to offset the byproduct cost in treatment, etc.
>
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 10:27 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Decriminalize drugs except in the event of endangering the welfare of a
>> child, or risking life/limb of another person.
>>
>> Drugs are a personal choice. If Jimbo isn't hurting anybody by coming
>> home and the end of a day and smoking a joint, or maybe using mushrooms or
>> MDA to help overcome emotional trauma, or for religious reasons, who's
>> business is that?
>>
>> Hard drugs are often done to escape inward or to damage onesself or to
>> feel something or just... Feel. The root problem is mental health. Let
>> people get clean needles in a controlled setting and give them access to
>> talk to someone. It's had amazing effects in those mentioned contries.
>>
>> Oh yeah, it'll right piss off the cartels too.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 9:47 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> theres no shortage of criminals
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 6:47 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I wish we would treat drugs here like they do in Spain and Portugal,
>>>> but how would our for-profit prison system, police and federal law
>>>> enforcement get money?
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 6:42 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thats heroin that permantly alters the opoid receptors in the brain,
>>>>> the molecule is slightly larger than the normal brain chemical (dopamine i
>>>>> think) its replacing, so the receptor is enlarged. Its actually that first
>>>>> use that is why doing heroin is called chasing the dragon, people are
>>>>> seeking to replicate that first high but never can because the physiologic
>>>>> change only happens once so its like chasing a dragon
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 6:18 PM Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> That's Fake News.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 2:21 PM Nate Burke <n...@blastcomm.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I thought I heard somewhere that any use of Meth, even once,
>>>>>>> permanently
>>>>>>> alters the brain chemistry.  So it's not a 'recreational' drug, and
>>>>>>> why
>>>>>>> it's so addictive.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4/17/2018 2:11 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>>>>>>> > Anything that makes me not want to eat or sleep isn't for me.  I
>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>> > those too much.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>>>>> >> If I am going to use bath salts, they are called Epsom and they
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> >> dissolved in hot water...
>>>>>>> >> Not really clear what they mean by bath salts.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> I was prescribed Xanax once.  Made me sleepy.
>>>>>>> >> Pot was not my thing back in the 70s...
>>>>>>> >> (I preferred Olympia, Blitz, Rainier, Hamms, Miller, Heineken,
>>>>>>> Henry
>>>>>>> >> Winehards Private Reserve...)
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Not really sure what meth does to you but I know it is horribly
>>>>>>> >> addictive and ruins everyone that gets hooked.
>>>>>>> >> I guess it is a version of speed.  But no direct experience with
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> >> either.  Not wanting anythi

Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[Steve Jones]

I like pissing off cartels

I always preferred decriminalization to legalization, maintains a secondary
effective tax to offset the byproduct cost in treatment, etc.

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 10:27 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
wrote:

> Decriminalize drugs except in the event of endangering the welfare of a
> child, or risking life/limb of another person.
>
> Drugs are a personal choice. If Jimbo isn't hurting anybody by coming home
> and the end of a day and smoking a joint, or maybe using mushrooms or MDA
> to help overcome emotional trauma, or for religious reasons, who's business
> is that?
>
> Hard drugs are often done to escape inward or to damage onesself or to
> feel something or just... Feel. The root problem is mental health. Let
> people get clean needles in a controlled setting and give them access to
> talk to someone. It's had amazing effects in those mentioned contries.
>
> Oh yeah, it'll right piss off the cartels too.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 9:47 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> theres no shortage of criminals
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 6:47 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I wish we would treat drugs here like they do in Spain and Portugal, but
>>> how would our for-profit prison system, police and federal law enforcement
>>> get money?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 6:42 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thats heroin that permantly alters the opoid receptors in the brain,
>>>> the molecule is slightly larger than the normal brain chemical (dopamine i
>>>> think) its replacing, so the receptor is enlarged. Its actually that first
>>>> use that is why doing heroin is called chasing the dragon, people are
>>>> seeking to replicate that first high but never can because the physiologic
>>>> change only happens once so its like chasing a dragon
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 6:18 PM Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That's Fake News.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 2:21 PM Nate Burke <n...@blastcomm.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I thought I heard somewhere that any use of Meth, even once,
>>>>>> permanently
>>>>>> alters the brain chemistry.  So it's not a 'recreational' drug, and
>>>>>> why
>>>>>> it's so addictive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/17/2018 2:11 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>>>>>> > Anything that makes me not want to eat or sleep isn't for me.  I
>>>>>> like
>>>>>> > those too much.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>>>> >> If I am going to use bath salts, they are called Epsom and they
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> >> dissolved in hot water...
>>>>>> >> Not really clear what they mean by bath salts.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> I was prescribed Xanax once.  Made me sleepy.
>>>>>> >> Pot was not my thing back in the 70s...
>>>>>> >> (I preferred Olympia, Blitz, Rainier, Hamms, Miller, Heineken,
>>>>>> Henry
>>>>>> >> Winehards Private Reserve...)
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Not really sure what meth does to you but I know it is horribly
>>>>>> >> addictive and ruins everyone that gets hooked.
>>>>>> >> I guess it is a version of speed.  But no direct experience with
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> >> either.  Not wanting anything that cause my hear to race.
>>>>>> >> Coke Zero does that enough for me.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> My wife lived on Oxy after a pair of horrific surgeries
>>>>>> >> (decompression of the spine, harrington rods, 14 lag screws into
>>>>>> her
>>>>>> >> vertebrae).
>>>>>> >> But she didn't get hooked.  Claimed it worked really well.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
>>>>>> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 12:08 PM
>>>>>> >> To: af@afmug.com
>>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents
>>>>>> >>
>>&

Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[Josh Reynolds]

Decriminalize drugs except in the event of endangering the welfare of a
child, or risking life/limb of another person.

Drugs are a personal choice. If Jimbo isn't hurting anybody by coming home
and the end of a day and smoking a joint, or maybe using mushrooms or MDA
to help overcome emotional trauma, or for religious reasons, who's business
is that?

Hard drugs are often done to escape inward or to damage onesself or to feel
something or just... Feel. The root problem is mental health. Let people
get clean needles in a controlled setting and give them access to talk to
someone. It's had amazing effects in those mentioned contries.

Oh yeah, it'll right piss off the cartels too.



On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 9:47 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> theres no shortage of criminals
>
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 6:47 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I wish we would treat drugs here like they do in Spain and Portugal, but
>> how would our for-profit prison system, police and federal law enforcement
>> get money?
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 6:42 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thats heroin that permantly alters the opoid receptors in the brain, the
>>> molecule is slightly larger than the normal brain chemical (dopamine i
>>> think) its replacing, so the receptor is enlarged. Its actually that first
>>> use that is why doing heroin is called chasing the dragon, people are
>>> seeking to replicate that first high but never can because the physiologic
>>> change only happens once so its like chasing a dragon
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 6:18 PM Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> That's Fake News.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 2:21 PM Nate Burke <n...@blastcomm.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I thought I heard somewhere that any use of Meth, even once,
>>>>> permanently
>>>>> alters the brain chemistry.  So it's not a 'recreational' drug, and
>>>>> why
>>>>> it's so addictive.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/17/2018 2:11 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>>>>> > Anything that makes me not want to eat or sleep isn't for me.  I
>>>>> like
>>>>> > those too much.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>>> >> If I am going to use bath salts, they are called Epsom and they are
>>>>> >> dissolved in hot water...
>>>>> >> Not really clear what they mean by bath salts.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I was prescribed Xanax once.  Made me sleepy.
>>>>> >> Pot was not my thing back in the 70s...
>>>>> >> (I preferred Olympia, Blitz, Rainier, Hamms, Miller, Heineken,
>>>>> Henry
>>>>> >> Winehards Private Reserve...)
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Not really sure what meth does to you but I know it is horribly
>>>>> >> addictive and ruins everyone that gets hooked.
>>>>> >> I guess it is a version of speed.  But no direct experience with
>>>>> that
>>>>> >> either.  Not wanting anything that cause my hear to race.
>>>>> >> Coke Zero does that enough for me.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> My wife lived on Oxy after a pair of horrific surgeries
>>>>> >> (decompression of the spine, harrington rods, 14 lag screws into
>>>>> her
>>>>> >> vertebrae).
>>>>> >> But she didn't get hooked.  Claimed it worked really well.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
>>>>> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 12:08 PM
>>>>> >> To: af@afmug.com
>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I understand opiods, Xanax and pot but meth just doesn't sound like
>>>>> fun
>>>>> >> and bath salts has to be the lowest of lows.  Granted, all I know
>>>>> about
>>>>> >> bath salts are the videos I've come across.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Steve Jones wrote:
>>>>> >>> They released the report, they seized appox 70 grams of xanax, 16
>>>>> >>> doses od suboxone (essentially heroin) 11.8 grams of bath salts.
>>>>> >>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[Steve Jones]

theres no shortage of criminals

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 6:47 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

> I wish we would treat drugs here like they do in Spain and Portugal, but
> how would our for-profit prison system, police and federal law enforcement
> get money?
>
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 6:42 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thats heroin that permantly alters the opoid receptors in the brain, the
>> molecule is slightly larger than the normal brain chemical (dopamine i
>> think) its replacing, so the receptor is enlarged. Its actually that first
>> use that is why doing heroin is called chasing the dragon, people are
>> seeking to replicate that first high but never can because the physiologic
>> change only happens once so its like chasing a dragon
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 6:18 PM Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>>
>>> That's Fake News.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 2:21 PM Nate Burke <n...@blastcomm.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I thought I heard somewhere that any use of Meth, even once,
>>>> permanently
>>>> alters the brain chemistry.  So it's not a 'recreational' drug, and why
>>>> it's so addictive.
>>>>
>>>> On 4/17/2018 2:11 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>>>> > Anything that makes me not want to eat or sleep isn't for me.  I like
>>>> > those too much.
>>>> >
>>>> > Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>> >> If I am going to use bath salts, they are called Epsom and they are
>>>> >> dissolved in hot water...
>>>> >> Not really clear what they mean by bath salts.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I was prescribed Xanax once.  Made me sleepy.
>>>> >> Pot was not my thing back in the 70s...
>>>> >> (I preferred Olympia, Blitz, Rainier, Hamms, Miller, Heineken, Henry
>>>> >> Winehards Private Reserve...)
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Not really sure what meth does to you but I know it is horribly
>>>> >> addictive and ruins everyone that gets hooked.
>>>> >> I guess it is a version of speed.  But no direct experience with
>>>> that
>>>> >> either.  Not wanting anything that cause my hear to race.
>>>> >> Coke Zero does that enough for me.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> My wife lived on Oxy after a pair of horrific surgeries
>>>> >> (decompression of the spine, harrington rods, 14 lag screws into her
>>>> >> vertebrae).
>>>> >> But she didn't get hooked.  Claimed it worked really well.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
>>>> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 12:08 PM
>>>> >> To: af@afmug.com
>>>> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I understand opiods, Xanax and pot but meth just doesn't sound like
>>>> fun
>>>> >> and bath salts has to be the lowest of lows.  Granted, all I know
>>>> about
>>>> >> bath salts are the videos I've come across.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Steve Jones wrote:
>>>> >>> They released the report, they seized appox 70 grams of xanax, 16
>>>> >>> doses od suboxone (essentially heroin) 11.8 grams of bath salts.
>>>> >>> other misch controlled substance pills as well as delivery of meth
>>>> >>> charges.
>>>> >>> fucking bath salts
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 8:18 AM, Dave <dmilho...@wletc.com
>>>> >>> <mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I hear the same shit as lewis and the sheriff mentioned that
>>>> Every
>>>> >>> vehicle that is pulled over has some form of drug or
>>>> paraphernalia
>>>> >>> in it.
>>>> >>> Meth is the demon drug that will cause even the most humble
>>>> become
>>>> >>> demented.
>>>> >>> A peer of my rank in the army said "That some were just not
>>>> meant
>>>> >>> to breed!" We laughed about it but I do believe there is some
>>>> >>> truth to that.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>&

Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[Josh Reynolds]

I wish we would treat drugs here like they do in Spain and Portugal, but
how would our for-profit prison system, police and federal law enforcement
get money?

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 6:42 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thats heroin that permantly alters the opoid receptors in the brain, the
> molecule is slightly larger than the normal brain chemical (dopamine i
> think) its replacing, so the receptor is enlarged. Its actually that first
> use that is why doing heroin is called chasing the dragon, people are
> seeking to replicate that first high but never can because the physiologic
> change only happens once so its like chasing a dragon
>
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 6:18 PM Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>
>> That's Fake News.
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 2:21 PM Nate Burke <n...@blastcomm.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I thought I heard somewhere that any use of Meth, even once, permanently
>>> alters the brain chemistry.  So it's not a 'recreational' drug, and why
>>> it's so addictive.
>>>
>>> On 4/17/2018 2:11 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>>> > Anything that makes me not want to eat or sleep isn't for me.  I like
>>> > those too much.
>>> >
>>> > Chuck McCown wrote:
>>> >> If I am going to use bath salts, they are called Epsom and they are
>>> >> dissolved in hot water...
>>> >> Not really clear what they mean by bath salts.
>>> >>
>>> >> I was prescribed Xanax once.  Made me sleepy.
>>> >> Pot was not my thing back in the 70s...
>>> >> (I preferred Olympia, Blitz, Rainier, Hamms, Miller, Heineken, Henry
>>> >> Winehards Private Reserve...)
>>> >>
>>> >> Not really sure what meth does to you but I know it is horribly
>>> >> addictive and ruins everyone that gets hooked.
>>> >> I guess it is a version of speed.  But no direct experience with that
>>> >> either.  Not wanting anything that cause my hear to race.
>>> >> Coke Zero does that enough for me.
>>> >>
>>> >> My wife lived on Oxy after a pair of horrific surgeries
>>> >> (decompression of the spine, harrington rods, 14 lag screws into her
>>> >> vertebrae).
>>> >> But she didn't get hooked.  Claimed it worked really well.
>>> >>
>>> >> -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
>>> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 12:08 PM
>>> >> To: af@afmug.com
>>> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents
>>> >>
>>> >> I understand opiods, Xanax and pot but meth just doesn't sound like
>>> fun
>>> >> and bath salts has to be the lowest of lows.  Granted, all I know
>>> about
>>> >> bath salts are the videos I've come across.
>>> >>
>>> >> Steve Jones wrote:
>>> >>> They released the report, they seized appox 70 grams of xanax, 16
>>> >>> doses od suboxone (essentially heroin) 11.8 grams of bath salts.
>>> >>> other misch controlled substance pills as well as delivery of meth
>>> >>> charges.
>>> >>> fucking bath salts
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 8:18 AM, Dave <dmilho...@wletc.com
>>> >>> <mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I hear the same shit as lewis and the sheriff mentioned that
>>> Every
>>> >>> vehicle that is pulled over has some form of drug or
>>> paraphernalia
>>> >>> in it.
>>> >>> Meth is the demon drug that will cause even the most humble
>>> become
>>> >>> demented.
>>> >>> A peer of my rank in the army said "That some were just not meant
>>> >>> to breed!" We laughed about it but I do believe there is some
>>> >>> truth to that.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On 04/15/2018 05:11 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>> >>>> I think Meth answers all your "why" questions. Since I deal with
>>> >>>> almost every sheriff in and most every drug focused law
>>> >>>> enforcement I hear a lot of their stories. One of them tells me
>>> >>>> that 95%+ of crime is drug related. CPS type problems they put
>>> at
>>&

Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[Steve Jones]

Thats heroin that permantly alters the opoid receptors in the brain, the
molecule is slightly larger than the normal brain chemical (dopamine i
think) its replacing, so the receptor is enlarged. Its actually that first
use that is why doing heroin is called chasing the dragon, people are
seeking to replicate that first high but never can because the physiologic
change only happens once so its like chasing a dragon

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 6:18 PM Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

> That's Fake News.
>
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 2:21 PM Nate Burke <n...@blastcomm.com> wrote:
>
>> I thought I heard somewhere that any use of Meth, even once, permanently
>> alters the brain chemistry.  So it's not a 'recreational' drug, and why
>> it's so addictive.
>>
>> On 4/17/2018 2:11 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>> > Anything that makes me not want to eat or sleep isn't for me.  I like
>> > those too much.
>> >
>> > Chuck McCown wrote:
>> >> If I am going to use bath salts, they are called Epsom and they are
>> >> dissolved in hot water...
>> >> Not really clear what they mean by bath salts.
>> >>
>> >> I was prescribed Xanax once.  Made me sleepy.
>> >> Pot was not my thing back in the 70s...
>> >> (I preferred Olympia, Blitz, Rainier, Hamms, Miller, Heineken, Henry
>> >> Winehards Private Reserve...)
>> >>
>> >> Not really sure what meth does to you but I know it is horribly
>> >> addictive and ruins everyone that gets hooked.
>> >> I guess it is a version of speed.  But no direct experience with that
>> >> either.  Not wanting anything that cause my hear to race.
>> >> Coke Zero does that enough for me.
>> >>
>> >> My wife lived on Oxy after a pair of horrific surgeries
>> >> (decompression of the spine, harrington rods, 14 lag screws into her
>> >> vertebrae).
>> >> But she didn't get hooked.  Claimed it worked really well.
>> >>
>> >> -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 12:08 PM
>> >> To: af@afmug.com
>> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents
>> >>
>> >> I understand opiods, Xanax and pot but meth just doesn't sound like fun
>> >> and bath salts has to be the lowest of lows.  Granted, all I know about
>> >> bath salts are the videos I've come across.
>> >>
>> >> Steve Jones wrote:
>> >>> They released the report, they seized appox 70 grams of xanax, 16
>> >>> doses od suboxone (essentially heroin) 11.8 grams of bath salts.
>> >>> other misch controlled substance pills as well as delivery of meth
>> >>> charges.
>> >>> fucking bath salts
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 8:18 AM, Dave <dmilho...@wletc.com
>> >>> <mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I hear the same shit as lewis and the sheriff mentioned that Every
>> >>> vehicle that is pulled over has some form of drug or paraphernalia
>> >>> in it.
>> >>> Meth is the demon drug that will cause even the most humble become
>> >>> demented.
>> >>> A peer of my rank in the army said "That some were just not meant
>> >>> to breed!" We laughed about it but I do believe there is some
>> >>> truth to that.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On 04/15/2018 05:11 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>> >>>> I think Meth answers all your "why" questions. Since I deal with
>> >>>> almost every sheriff in and most every drug focused law
>> >>>> enforcement I hear a lot of their stories. One of them tells me
>> >>>> that 95%+ of crime is drug related. CPS type problems they put at
>> >>>> about 80% with the remaining 15% made of of perverts that should
>> >>>> probably be castrated upon a verdict.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 10:03 AM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com
>> >>>> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I had a similar situation.  Rather my wife did.  We took the
>> >>>> kids in (her sister�s kids).
>> >>>> Very similar situation, neglected, abused, drugs etc.
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[Josh Reynolds]

That's Fake News.

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 2:21 PM Nate Burke <n...@blastcomm.com> wrote:

> I thought I heard somewhere that any use of Meth, even once, permanently
> alters the brain chemistry.  So it's not a 'recreational' drug, and why
> it's so addictive.
>
> On 4/17/2018 2:11 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
> > Anything that makes me not want to eat or sleep isn't for me.  I like
> > those too much.
> >
> > Chuck McCown wrote:
> >> If I am going to use bath salts, they are called Epsom and they are
> >> dissolved in hot water...
> >> Not really clear what they mean by bath salts.
> >>
> >> I was prescribed Xanax once.  Made me sleepy.
> >> Pot was not my thing back in the 70s...
> >> (I preferred Olympia, Blitz, Rainier, Hamms, Miller, Heineken, Henry
> >> Winehards Private Reserve...)
> >>
> >> Not really sure what meth does to you but I know it is horribly
> >> addictive and ruins everyone that gets hooked.
> >> I guess it is a version of speed.  But no direct experience with that
> >> either.  Not wanting anything that cause my hear to race.
> >> Coke Zero does that enough for me.
> >>
> >> My wife lived on Oxy after a pair of horrific surgeries
> >> (decompression of the spine, harrington rods, 14 lag screws into her
> >> vertebrae).
> >> But she didn't get hooked.  Claimed it worked really well.
> >>
> >> -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 12:08 PM
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents
> >>
> >> I understand opiods, Xanax and pot but meth just doesn't sound like fun
> >> and bath salts has to be the lowest of lows.  Granted, all I know about
> >> bath salts are the videos I've come across.
> >>
> >> Steve Jones wrote:
> >>> They released the report, they seized appox 70 grams of xanax, 16
> >>> doses od suboxone (essentially heroin) 11.8 grams of bath salts.
> >>> other misch controlled substance pills as well as delivery of meth
> >>> charges.
> >>> fucking bath salts
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 8:18 AM, Dave <dmilho...@wletc.com
> >>> <mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I hear the same shit as lewis and the sheriff mentioned that Every
> >>> vehicle that is pulled over has some form of drug or paraphernalia
> >>> in it.
> >>> Meth is the demon drug that will cause even the most humble become
> >>> demented.
> >>> A peer of my rank in the army said "That some were just not meant
> >>> to breed!" We laughed about it but I do believe there is some
> >>> truth to that.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 04/15/2018 05:11 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
> >>>> I think Meth answers all your "why" questions. Since I deal with
> >>>> almost every sheriff in and most every drug focused law
> >>>> enforcement I hear a lot of their stories. One of them tells me
> >>>> that 95%+ of crime is drug related. CPS type problems they put at
> >>>> about 80% with the remaining 15% made of of perverts that should
> >>>> probably be castrated upon a verdict.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 10:03 AM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com
> >>>> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I had a similar situation.  Rather my wife did.  We took the
> >>>> kids in (her sister�s kids).
> >>>> Very similar situation, neglected, abused, drugs etc.
> >>>> One of the parents got them back for a while, then the other.
> >>>> Those kids still think of my wife as �mom�.  They are all
> >>>> grown up with grandkids of their own now.
> >>>> One of them is a solid cop in Reno. The other has not turned
> >>>> out so well.
> >>>> The world needs standup guys like you.
> >>>> *From:* Steve Jones
> >>>> *Sent:* Saturday, April 14, 2018 11:00 PM
> >>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
> >>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents
> >>>> You folks get my vent because i cant anywherr else. So like 7
> >>>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[Adam Moffett]

Cathinones.  An artificial stimulant.

There was/is a loophole in some areas that it's not illegal to sell a 
product just because it can be misused.  So if you sell aerosol cans and 
somebody is inhaling the propellant to catch a buzz then the seller and 
producer are not liable for the idiot's behavior.  Glade and Krylon are 
not drug dealers.


So some people cook up cathinones and label the item as "bath salts" or 
similar and then sell it in their head shop.  Not their fault if someone 
smokes it, right?  I have no idea whether the item can actually dissolve 
in a bath and perform some sort of function as an actual bath salt.  I 
would think that would be a pre-requisite for the loophole to function.




-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/17/2018 2:18:54 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

If I am going to use bath salts, they are called Epsom and they are 
dissolved in hot water...

Not really clear what they mean by bath salts.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[Chuck McCown]

Yep, like a bad piece of firmware.  It is a root kit for the brain.

-Original Message- 
From: Nate Burke

Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 1:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

I thought I heard somewhere that any use of Meth, even once, permanently
alters the brain chemistry.  So it's not a 'recreational' drug, and why
it's so addictive.

On 4/17/2018 2:11 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
Anything that makes me not want to eat or sleep isn't for me.  I like 
those too much.


Chuck McCown wrote:
If I am going to use bath salts, they are called Epsom and they are 
dissolved in hot water...

Not really clear what they mean by bath salts.

I was prescribed Xanax once.  Made me sleepy.
Pot was not my thing back in the 70s...
(I preferred Olympia, Blitz, Rainier, Hamms, Miller, Heineken, Henry 
Winehards Private Reserve...)


Not really sure what meth does to you but I know it is horribly addictive 
and ruins everyone that gets hooked.
I guess it is a version of speed.  But no direct experience with that 
either.  Not wanting anything that cause my hear to race.

Coke Zero does that enough for me.

My wife lived on Oxy after a pair of horrific surgeries (decompression of 
the spine, harrington rods, 14 lag screws into her vertebrae).

But she didn't get hooked.  Claimed it worked really well.

-Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 12:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

I understand opiods, Xanax and pot but meth just doesn't sound like fun
and bath salts has to be the lowest of lows.  Granted, all I know about
bath salts are the videos I've come across.

Steve Jones wrote:
They released the report, they seized appox 70 grams of xanax, 16 doses 
od suboxone (essentially heroin) 11.8 grams of bath salts. other misch 
controlled substance pills as well as delivery of meth charges.

fucking bath salts

On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 8:18 AM, Dave <dmilho...@wletc.com 
<mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote:


I hear the same shit as lewis and the sheriff mentioned that Every
vehicle that is pulled over has some form of drug or paraphernalia
in it.
Meth is the demon drug that will cause even the most humble become
demented.
A peer of my rank in the army said "That some were just not meant
to breed!" We laughed about it but I do believe there is some
truth to that.



On 04/15/2018 05:11 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

I think Meth answers all your "why" questions. Since I deal with
almost every sheriff in and most every drug focused law
enforcement I hear a lot of their stories. One of them tells me
that 95%+ of crime is drug related. CPS type problems they put at
about 80% with the remaining 15% made of of perverts that should
probably be castrated upon a verdict.

On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 10:03 AM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

I had a similar situation.  Rather my wife did.  We took the
kids in (her sister�s kids).
Very similar situation, neglected, abused, drugs etc.
One of the parents got them back for a while, then the other.
Those kids still think of my wife as �mom�.  They are all
grown up with grandkids of their own now.
One of them is a solid cop in Reno. The other has not turned
out so well.
The world needs standup guys like you.
*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Saturday, April 14, 2018 11:00 PM
    *To:* af@afmug.com
    *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents
You folks get my vent because i cant anywherr else. So like 7
years ago we took in my old ladys nephews because, well
fuckwit parents. FYI the foster care system is aweful. We
fostered them for a year and half while her brother and baby
momma sorted their shit, or so we thought. The 18 month old
at the time had a club foot, i had to build a sleeping rig
with some shoes with the ankles hooked together and the toes
locked outward with a ruler, i worked his legs in and out til
his hip popped one night, i thought i broke his hip, but it
was just something going back. The 4 year old you couldbt
understand cause they thought baby talk was cute so they
never taught him to speak. We fixed that, and that was the
least bad of the fuckery. This was me, the old lady,
a1,2,4,and 5 year old with our 2 in a tiny 2 bedroom.
Finally got these boys shaped up and bought a house for room,
and a week later they gave them back to the mom. The old
ladies brother never did what he was supposed to.
Now today was their grandmas (my old ladies step moms)
funeral, so whats this trashcan do? Gets arrested for selling
fucking meth
So dealing with all that comes with 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[Nate Burke]

I thought I heard somewhere that any use of Meth, even once, permanently 
alters the brain chemistry.  So it's not a 'recreational' drug, and why 
it's so addictive.


On 4/17/2018 2:11 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
Anything that makes me not want to eat or sleep isn't for me.  I like 
those too much.


Chuck McCown wrote:
If I am going to use bath salts, they are called Epsom and they are 
dissolved in hot water...

Not really clear what they mean by bath salts.

I was prescribed Xanax once.  Made me sleepy.
Pot was not my thing back in the 70s...
(I preferred Olympia, Blitz, Rainier, Hamms, Miller, Heineken, Henry 
Winehards Private Reserve...)


Not really sure what meth does to you but I know it is horribly 
addictive and ruins everyone that gets hooked.
I guess it is a version of speed.  But no direct experience with that 
either.  Not wanting anything that cause my hear to race.

Coke Zero does that enough for me.

My wife lived on Oxy after a pair of horrific surgeries 
(decompression of the spine, harrington rods, 14 lag screws into her 
vertebrae).

But she didn't get hooked.  Claimed it worked really well.

-Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 12:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

I understand opiods, Xanax and pot but meth just doesn't sound like fun
and bath salts has to be the lowest of lows.  Granted, all I know about
bath salts are the videos I've come across.

Steve Jones wrote:
They released the report, they seized appox 70 grams of xanax, 16 
doses od suboxone (essentially heroin) 11.8 grams of bath salts. 
other misch controlled substance pills as well as delivery of meth 
charges.

fucking bath salts

On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 8:18 AM, Dave <dmilho...@wletc.com 
<mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote:


I hear the same shit as lewis and the sheriff mentioned that Every
vehicle that is pulled over has some form of drug or paraphernalia
in it.
Meth is the demon drug that will cause even the most humble become
demented.
A peer of my rank in the army said "That some were just not meant
to breed!" We laughed about it but I do believe there is some
truth to that.



On 04/15/2018 05:11 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

I think Meth answers all your "why" questions. Since I deal with
almost every sheriff in and most every drug focused law
enforcement I hear a lot of their stories. One of them tells me
that 95%+ of crime is drug related. CPS type problems they put at
about 80% with the remaining 15% made of of perverts that should
probably be castrated upon a verdict.

On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 10:03 AM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

I had a similar situation.  Rather my wife did.  We took the
kids in (her sister�s kids).
Very similar situation, neglected, abused, drugs etc.
One of the parents got them back for a while, then the other.
Those kids still think of my wife as �mom�.  They are all
grown up with grandkids of their own now.
One of them is a solid cop in Reno. The other has not turned
out so well.
The world needs standup guys like you.
*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Saturday, April 14, 2018 11:00 PM
    *To:* af@afmug.com
    *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents
You folks get my vent because i cant anywherr else. So like 7
years ago we took in my old ladys nephews because, well
fuckwit parents. FYI the foster care system is aweful. We
fostered them for a year and half while her brother and baby
momma sorted their shit, or so we thought. The 18 month old
at the time had a club foot, i had to build a sleeping rig
with some shoes with the ankles hooked together and the toes
locked outward with a ruler, i worked his legs in and out til
his hip popped one night, i thought i broke his hip, but it
was just something going back. The 4 year old you couldbt
understand cause they thought baby talk was cute so they
never taught him to speak. We fixed that, and that was the
least bad of the fuckery. This was me, the old lady,
a1,2,4,and 5 year old with our 2 in a tiny 2 bedroom.
Finally got these boys shaped up and bought a house for room,
and a week later they gave them back to the mom. The old
ladies brother never did what he was supposed to.
Now today was their grandmas (my old ladies step moms)
funeral, so whats this trashcan do? Gets arrested for selling
fucking meth
So dealing with all that comes with a funeral, we had to be
late dealing with the child services people. Get all that
squared away, get through the funeral and now find out we
also get the joy of headlice.
Seriously, f

Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[Jay Weekley]

Anything that makes me not want to eat or sleep isn't for me.  I like 
those too much.


Chuck McCown wrote:
If I am going to use bath salts, they are called Epsom and they are 
dissolved in hot water...

Not really clear what they mean by bath salts.

I was prescribed Xanax once.  Made me sleepy.
Pot was not my thing back in the 70s...
(I preferred Olympia, Blitz, Rainier, Hamms, Miller, Heineken, Henry 
Winehards Private Reserve...)


Not really sure what meth does to you but I know it is horribly 
addictive and ruins everyone that gets hooked.
I guess it is a version of speed.  But no direct experience with that 
either.  Not wanting anything that cause my hear to race.

Coke Zero does that enough for me.

My wife lived on Oxy after a pair of horrific surgeries (decompression 
of the spine, harrington rods, 14 lag screws into her vertebrae).

But she didn't get hooked.  Claimed it worked really well.

-Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 12:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

I understand opiods, Xanax and pot but meth just doesn't sound like fun
and bath salts has to be the lowest of lows.  Granted, all I know about
bath salts are the videos I've come across.

Steve Jones wrote:
They released the report, they seized appox 70 grams of xanax, 16 
doses od suboxone (essentially heroin) 11.8 grams of bath salts. 
other misch controlled substance pills as well as delivery of meth 
charges.

fucking bath salts

On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 8:18 AM, Dave <dmilho...@wletc.com 
<mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote:


I hear the same shit as lewis and the sheriff mentioned that Every
vehicle that is pulled over has some form of drug or paraphernalia
in it.
Meth is the demon drug that will cause even the most humble become
demented.
A peer of my rank in the army said "That some were just not meant
to breed!" We laughed about it but I do believe there is some
truth to that.



On 04/15/2018 05:11 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

I think Meth answers all your "why" questions. Since I deal with
almost every sheriff in and most every drug focused law
enforcement I hear a lot of their stories. One of them tells me
that 95%+ of crime is drug related. CPS type problems they put at
about 80% with the remaining 15% made of of perverts that should
probably be castrated upon a verdict.

On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 10:03 AM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

I had a similar situation.  Rather my wife did.  We took the
kids in (her sister’s kids).
Very similar situation, neglected, abused, drugs etc.
One of the parents got them back for a while, then the other.
Those kids still think of my wife as “mom”.  They are all
grown up with grandkids of their own now.
One of them is a solid cop in Reno. The other has not turned
out so well.
The world needs standup guys like you.
*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Saturday, April 14, 2018 11:00 PM
    *To:* af@afmug.com
    *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents
You folks get my vent because i cant anywherr else. So like 7
years ago we took in my old ladys nephews because, well
fuckwit parents. FYI the foster care system is aweful. We
fostered them for a year and half while her brother and baby
momma sorted their shit, or so we thought. The 18 month old
at the time had a club foot, i had to build a sleeping rig
with some shoes with the ankles hooked together and the toes
locked outward with a ruler, i worked his legs in and out til
his hip popped one night, i thought i broke his hip, but it
was just something going back. The 4 year old you couldbt
understand cause they thought baby talk was cute so they
never taught him to speak. We fixed that, and that was the
least bad of the fuckery. This was me, the old lady,
a1,2,4,and 5 year old with our 2 in a tiny 2 bedroom.
Finally got these boys shaped up and bought a house for room,
and a week later they gave them back to the mom. The old
ladies brother never did what he was supposed to.
Now today was their grandmas (my old ladies step moms)
funeral, so whats this trashcan do? Gets arrested for selling
fucking meth
So dealing with all that comes with a funeral, we had to be
late dealing with the child services people. Get all that
squared away, get through the funeral and now find out we
also get the joy of headlice.
Seriously, fucking shit fuck. How do people do this shit to
kids, theyre not just a thing you have while doing other 
things.

Im not lawfully allowed to discuss any of this with anyone
who is remotely involved, i f

Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[Josh Reynolds]

War is ok though.

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 1:39 PM justsumname <unixday...@gmail.com> wrote:

> some people thought voting at 18 was a good idea.
>
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 2:19 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> yeah, can you imagine if a kid had got into that stuff
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 1:08 PM, Jay Weekley <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I understand opiods, Xanax and pot but meth just doesn't sound like fun
>>> and bath salts has to be the lowest of lows.  Granted, all I know about
>>> bath salts are the videos I've come across.
>>>
>>> Steve Jones wrote:
>>>
>>>> They released the report, they seized appox 70 grams of xanax, 16 doses
>>>> od suboxone (essentially heroin) 11.8 grams of bath salts. other misch
>>>> controlled substance pills as well as delivery of meth charges.
>>>> fucking bath salts
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 8:18 AM, Dave <dmilho...@wletc.com >>> dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I hear the same shit as lewis and the sheriff mentioned that Every
>>>> vehicle that is pulled over has some form of drug or paraphernalia
>>>> in it.
>>>> Meth is the demon drug that will cause even the most humble become
>>>> demented.
>>>> A peer of my rank in the army said "That some were just not meant
>>>> to breed!" We laughed about it but I do believe there is some
>>>> truth to that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 04/15/2018 05:11 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think Meth answers all your "why" questions. Since I deal with
>>>>> almost every sheriff in and most every drug focused law
>>>>> enforcement I hear a lot of their stories. One of them tells me
>>>>> that 95%+ of crime is drug related. CPS type problems they put at
>>>>> about 80% with the remaining 15% made of of perverts that should
>>>>> probably be castrated upon a verdict.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 10:03 AM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com
>>>>> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I had a similar situation.  Rather my wife did.  We took the
>>>>> kids in (her sister’s kids).
>>>>> Very similar situation, neglected, abused, drugs etc.
>>>>> One of the parents got them back for a while, then the other.
>>>>> Those kids still think of my wife as “mom”.  They are all
>>>>> grown up with grandkids of their own now.
>>>>> One of them is a solid cop in Reno. The other has not turned
>>>>> out so well.
>>>>> The world needs standup guys like you.
>>>>> *From:* Steve Jones
>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, April 14, 2018 11:00 PM
>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents
>>>>>
>>>>> You folks get my vent because i cant anywherr else. So like 7
>>>>> years ago we took in my old ladys nephews because, well
>>>>> fuckwit parents. FYI the foster care system is aweful. We
>>>>> fostered them for a year and half while her brother and baby
>>>>> momma sorted their shit, or so we thought. The 18 month old
>>>>> at the time had a club foot, i had to build a sleeping rig
>>>>> with some shoes with the ankles hooked together and the toes
>>>>> locked outward with a ruler, i worked his legs in and out til
>>>>> his hip popped one night, i thought i broke his hip, but it
>>>>> was just something going back. The 4 year old you couldbt
>>>>> understand cause they thought baby talk was cute so they
>>>>> never taught him to speak. We fixed that, and that was the
>>>>> least bad of the fuckery. This was me, the old lady,
>>>>> a1,2,4,and 5 year old with our 2 in a tiny 2 bedroom.
>>>>> Finally got these boys shaped up and bought a house for room,
>>>>> and a week later they gave them back to the mom. The old
>>>>> ladies brother never did wha

Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[justsumname]

some people thought voting at 18 was a good idea.

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 2:19 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> yeah, can you imagine if a kid had got into that stuff
>
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 1:08 PM, Jay Weekley <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I understand opiods, Xanax and pot but meth just doesn't sound like fun
>> and bath salts has to be the lowest of lows.  Granted, all I know about
>> bath salts are the videos I've come across.
>>
>> Steve Jones wrote:
>>
>>> They released the report, they seized appox 70 grams of xanax, 16 doses
>>> od suboxone (essentially heroin) 11.8 grams of bath salts. other misch
>>> controlled substance pills as well as delivery of meth charges.
>>> fucking bath salts
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 8:18 AM, Dave <dmilho...@wletc.com >> dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I hear the same shit as lewis and the sheriff mentioned that Every
>>> vehicle that is pulled over has some form of drug or paraphernalia
>>> in it.
>>> Meth is the demon drug that will cause even the most humble become
>>> demented.
>>> A peer of my rank in the army said "That some were just not meant
>>> to breed!" We laughed about it but I do believe there is some
>>> truth to that.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 04/15/2018 05:11 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think Meth answers all your "why" questions. Since I deal with
>>>> almost every sheriff in and most every drug focused law
>>>> enforcement I hear a lot of their stories. One of them tells me
>>>> that 95%+ of crime is drug related. CPS type problems they put at
>>>> about 80% with the remaining 15% made of of perverts that should
>>>> probably be castrated upon a verdict.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 10:03 AM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com
>>>> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I had a similar situation.  Rather my wife did.  We took the
>>>> kids in (her sister’s kids).
>>>> Very similar situation, neglected, abused, drugs etc.
>>>> One of the parents got them back for a while, then the other.
>>>> Those kids still think of my wife as “mom”.  They are all
>>>> grown up with grandkids of their own now.
>>>> One of them is a solid cop in Reno. The other has not turned
>>>> out so well.
>>>> The world needs standup guys like you.
>>>> *From:* Steve Jones
>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, April 14, 2018 11:00 PM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents
>>>>
>>>> You folks get my vent because i cant anywherr else. So like 7
>>>> years ago we took in my old ladys nephews because, well
>>>> fuckwit parents. FYI the foster care system is aweful. We
>>>> fostered them for a year and half while her brother and baby
>>>> momma sorted their shit, or so we thought. The 18 month old
>>>> at the time had a club foot, i had to build a sleeping rig
>>>> with some shoes with the ankles hooked together and the toes
>>>> locked outward with a ruler, i worked his legs in and out til
>>>> his hip popped one night, i thought i broke his hip, but it
>>>> was just something going back. The 4 year old you couldbt
>>>> understand cause they thought baby talk was cute so they
>>>> never taught him to speak. We fixed that, and that was the
>>>> least bad of the fuckery. This was me, the old lady,
>>>> a1,2,4,and 5 year old with our 2 in a tiny 2 bedroom.
>>>> Finally got these boys shaped up and bought a house for room,
>>>> and a week later they gave them back to the mom. The old
>>>> ladies brother never did what he was supposed to.
>>>> Now today was their grandmas (my old ladies step moms)
>>>> funeral, so whats this trashcan do? Gets arrested for selling
>>>> fucking meth
>>>> So dealing with all that comes with a funeral, we had to be
>>>> late dealing with the child services people. Get all that
>>>> squared

Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[Steve Jones]

yeah, can you imagine if a kid had got into that stuff

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 1:08 PM, Jay Weekley <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
wrote:

> I understand opiods, Xanax and pot but meth just doesn't sound like fun
> and bath salts has to be the lowest of lows.  Granted, all I know about
> bath salts are the videos I've come across.
>
> Steve Jones wrote:
>
>> They released the report, they seized appox 70 grams of xanax, 16 doses
>> od suboxone (essentially heroin) 11.8 grams of bath salts. other misch
>> controlled substance pills as well as delivery of meth charges.
>> fucking bath salts
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 8:18 AM, Dave <dmilho...@wletc.com > dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I hear the same shit as lewis and the sheriff mentioned that Every
>> vehicle that is pulled over has some form of drug or paraphernalia
>> in it.
>> Meth is the demon drug that will cause even the most humble become
>> demented.
>> A peer of my rank in the army said "That some were just not meant
>> to breed!" We laughed about it but I do believe there is some
>> truth to that.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 04/15/2018 05:11 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>
>>> I think Meth answers all your "why" questions. Since I deal with
>>> almost every sheriff in and most every drug focused law
>>> enforcement I hear a lot of their stories. One of them tells me
>>> that 95%+ of crime is drug related. CPS type problems they put at
>>> about 80% with the remaining 15% made of of perverts that should
>>> probably be castrated upon a verdict.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 10:03 AM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I had a similar situation.  Rather my wife did.  We took the
>>> kids in (her sister’s kids).
>>> Very similar situation, neglected, abused, drugs etc.
>>> One of the parents got them back for a while, then the other.
>>> Those kids still think of my wife as “mom”.  They are all
>>> grown up with grandkids of their own now.
>>> One of them is a solid cop in Reno. The other has not turned
>>> out so well.
>>> The world needs standup guys like you.
>>> *From:* Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, April 14, 2018 11:00 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents
>>>
>>> You folks get my vent because i cant anywherr else. So like 7
>>> years ago we took in my old ladys nephews because, well
>>> fuckwit parents. FYI the foster care system is aweful. We
>>> fostered them for a year and half while her brother and baby
>>> momma sorted their shit, or so we thought. The 18 month old
>>> at the time had a club foot, i had to build a sleeping rig
>>> with some shoes with the ankles hooked together and the toes
>>> locked outward with a ruler, i worked his legs in and out til
>>> his hip popped one night, i thought i broke his hip, but it
>>> was just something going back. The 4 year old you couldbt
>>> understand cause they thought baby talk was cute so they
>>> never taught him to speak. We fixed that, and that was the
>>> least bad of the fuckery. This was me, the old lady,
>>> a1,2,4,and 5 year old with our 2 in a tiny 2 bedroom.
>>> Finally got these boys shaped up and bought a house for room,
>>> and a week later they gave them back to the mom. The old
>>> ladies brother never did what he was supposed to.
>>> Now today was their grandmas (my old ladies step moms)
>>> funeral, so whats this trashcan do? Gets arrested for selling
>>> fucking meth
>>> So dealing with all that comes with a funeral, we had to be
>>> late dealing with the child services people. Get all that
>>> squared away, get through the funeral and now find out we
>>> also get the joy of headlice.
>>> Seriously, fucking shit fuck. How do people do this shit to
>>> kids, theyre not just a thing you have while doing other things.
>>> Im not lawfully allowed to discuss any of this with anyone
>>> who is remotely involved, i figure none of you are.
>>> But seriously, what the fuck, you get your kids back and sell
>>> meth. And theyre already asking if they sign their righys if
>>> they can see the kids still.
>>> I have very few skills, and none of rhem involve the ability
>>> to not want to feed these people lead
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[Chuck McCown]

If I am going to use bath salts, they are called Epsom and they are 
dissolved in hot water...

Not really clear what they mean by bath salts.

I was prescribed Xanax once.  Made me sleepy.
Pot was not my thing back in the 70s...
(I preferred Olympia, Blitz, Rainier, Hamms, Miller, Heineken, Henry 
Winehards Private Reserve...)


Not really sure what meth does to you but I know it is horribly addictive 
and ruins everyone that gets hooked.
I guess it is a version of speed.  But no direct experience with that 
either.  Not wanting anything that cause my hear to race.

Coke Zero does that enough for me.

My wife lived on Oxy after a pair of horrific surgeries (decompression of 
the spine, harrington rods, 14 lag screws into her vertebrae).

But she didn't get hooked.  Claimed it worked really well.

-Original Message- 
From: Jay Weekley

Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 12:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

I understand opiods, Xanax and pot but meth just doesn't sound like fun
and bath salts has to be the lowest of lows.  Granted, all I know about
bath salts are the videos I've come across.

Steve Jones wrote:
They released the report, they seized appox 70 grams of xanax, 16 doses od 
suboxone (essentially heroin) 11.8 grams of bath salts. other misch 
controlled substance pills as well as delivery of meth charges.

fucking bath salts

On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 8:18 AM, Dave <dmilho...@wletc.com 
<mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote:


I hear the same shit as lewis and the sheriff mentioned that Every
vehicle that is pulled over has some form of drug or paraphernalia
in it.
Meth is the demon drug that will cause even the most humble become
demented.
A peer of my rank in the army said "That some were just not meant
to breed!" We laughed about it but I do believe there is some
truth to that.



On 04/15/2018 05:11 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

I think Meth answers all your "why" questions. Since I deal with
almost every sheriff in and most every drug focused law
enforcement I hear a lot of their stories. One of them tells me
that 95%+ of crime is drug related. CPS type problems they put at
about 80% with the remaining 15% made of of perverts that should
probably be castrated upon a verdict.

On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 10:03 AM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

I had a similar situation.  Rather my wife did.  We took the
kids in (her sister’s kids).
Very similar situation, neglected, abused, drugs etc.
One of the parents got them back for a while, then the other.
Those kids still think of my wife as “mom”.  They are all
grown up with grandkids of their own now.
One of them is a solid cop in Reno. The other has not turned
out so well.
The world needs standup guys like you.
*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Saturday, April 14, 2018 11:00 PM
    *To:* af@afmug.com
    *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents
You folks get my vent because i cant anywherr else. So like 7
years ago we took in my old ladys nephews because, well
fuckwit parents. FYI the foster care system is aweful. We
fostered them for a year and half while her brother and baby
momma sorted their shit, or so we thought. The 18 month old
at the time had a club foot, i had to build a sleeping rig
with some shoes with the ankles hooked together and the toes
locked outward with a ruler, i worked his legs in and out til
his hip popped one night, i thought i broke his hip, but it
was just something going back. The 4 year old you couldbt
understand cause they thought baby talk was cute so they
never taught him to speak. We fixed that, and that was the
least bad of the fuckery. This was me, the old lady,
a1,2,4,and 5 year old with our 2 in a tiny 2 bedroom.
Finally got these boys shaped up and bought a house for room,
and a week later they gave them back to the mom. The old
ladies brother never did what he was supposed to.
Now today was their grandmas (my old ladies step moms)
funeral, so whats this trashcan do? Gets arrested for selling
fucking meth
So dealing with all that comes with a funeral, we had to be
late dealing with the child services people. Get all that
squared away, get through the funeral and now find out we
also get the joy of headlice.
Seriously, fucking shit fuck. How do people do this shit to
kids, theyre not just a thing you have while doing other things.
Im not lawfully allowed to discuss any of this with anyone
who is remotely involved, i figure none of you are.
But seriously, what the fuck, you get your kids back and sell

Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[Jay Weekley]

I understand opiods, Xanax and pot but meth just doesn't sound like fun 
and bath salts has to be the lowest of lows.  Granted, all I know about 
bath salts are the videos I've come across.


Steve Jones wrote:
They released the report, they seized appox 70 grams of xanax, 16 
doses od suboxone (essentially heroin) 11.8 grams of bath salts. other 
misch controlled substance pills as well as delivery of meth charges.

fucking bath salts

On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 8:18 AM, Dave <dmilho...@wletc.com 
<mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote:


I hear the same shit as lewis and the sheriff mentioned that Every
vehicle that is pulled over has some form of drug or paraphernalia
in it.
Meth is the demon drug that will cause even the most humble become
demented.
A peer of my rank in the army said "That some were just not meant
to breed!" We laughed about it but I do believe there is some
truth to that.



On 04/15/2018 05:11 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

I think Meth answers all your "why" questions. Since I deal with
almost every sheriff in and most every drug focused law
enforcement I hear a lot of their stories. One of them tells me
that 95%+ of crime is drug related. CPS type problems they put at
about 80% with the remaining 15% made of of perverts that should
probably be castrated upon a verdict.

On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 10:03 AM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

I had a similar situation.  Rather my wife did.  We took the
kids in (her sister’s kids).
Very similar situation, neglected, abused, drugs etc.
One of the parents got them back for a while, then the other.
Those kids still think of my wife as “mom”.  They are all
grown up with grandkids of their own now.
One of them is a solid cop in Reno. The other has not turned
out so well.
The world needs standup guys like you.
*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Saturday, April 14, 2018 11:00 PM
    *To:* af@afmug.com
    *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents
You folks get my vent because i cant anywherr else. So like 7
years ago we took in my old ladys nephews because, well
fuckwit parents. FYI the foster care system is aweful. We
fostered them for a year and half while her brother and baby
momma sorted their shit, or so we thought. The 18 month old
at the time had a club foot, i had to build a sleeping rig
with some shoes with the ankles hooked together and the toes
locked outward with a ruler, i worked his legs in and out til
his hip popped one night, i thought i broke his hip, but it
was just something going back. The 4 year old you couldbt
understand cause they thought baby talk was cute so they
never taught him to speak. We fixed that, and that was the
least bad of the fuckery. This was me, the old lady,
a1,2,4,and 5 year old with our 2 in a tiny 2 bedroom.
Finally got these boys shaped up and bought a house for room,
and a week later they gave them back to the mom. The old
ladies brother never did what he was supposed to.
Now today was their grandmas (my old ladies step moms)
funeral, so whats this trashcan do? Gets arrested for selling
fucking meth
So dealing with all that comes with a funeral, we had to be
late dealing with the child services people. Get all that
squared away, get through the funeral and now find out we
also get the joy of headlice.
Seriously, fucking shit fuck. How do people do this shit to
kids, theyre not just a thing you have while doing other things.
Im not lawfully allowed to discuss any of this with anyone
who is remotely involved, i figure none of you are.
But seriously, what the fuck, you get your kids back and sell
meth. And theyre already asking if they sign their righys if
they can see the kids still.
I have very few skills, and none of rhem involve the ability
to not want to feed these people lead



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Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[Steve Jones]

They released the report, they seized appox 70 grams of xanax, 16 doses od
suboxone (essentially heroin) 11.8 grams of bath salts. other misch
controlled substance pills as well as delivery of meth charges.
fucking bath salts

On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 8:18 AM, Dave <dmilho...@wletc.com> wrote:

> I hear the same shit as lewis and the sheriff mentioned that Every vehicle
> that is pulled over has some form of drug or paraphernalia in it.
> Meth is the demon drug that will cause even the most humble become
> demented.
> A peer of my rank in the army said "That some were just not meant to
> breed!" We laughed about it but I do believe there is some truth to that.
>
>
>
> On 04/15/2018 05:11 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
> I think Meth answers all your "why" questions. Since I deal with almost
> every sheriff in and most every drug focused law enforcement I hear a lot
> of their stories. One of them tells me that 95%+ of crime is drug related.
> CPS type problems they put at about 80% with the remaining 15% made of of
> perverts that should probably be castrated upon a verdict.
>
> On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 10:03 AM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> I had a similar situation.  Rather my wife did.  We took the kids in (her
>> sister’s kids).
>> Very similar situation, neglected, abused, drugs etc.
>>
>> One of the parents got them back for a while, then the other.
>>
>> Those kids still think of my wife as “mom”.  They are all grown up with
>> grandkids of their own now.
>> One of them is a solid cop in Reno.  The other has not turned out so
>> well.
>>
>> The world needs standup guys like you.
>>
>> *From:* Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Saturday, April 14, 2018 11:00 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents
>>
>> You folks get my vent because i cant anywherr else. So like 7 years ago
>> we took in my old ladys nephews because, well fuckwit parents. FYI the
>> foster care system is aweful. We fostered them for a year and half while
>> her brother and baby momma sorted their shit, or so we thought. The 18
>> month old at the time had a club foot, i had to build a sleeping rig with
>> some shoes with the ankles hooked together and the toes locked outward with
>> a ruler, i worked his legs in and out til his hip popped one night, i
>> thought i broke his hip, but it was just something going back. The 4 year
>> old you couldbt understand cause they thought baby talk was cute so they
>> never taught him to speak. We fixed that, and that was the least bad of the
>> fuckery. This was me, the old lady, a1,2,4,and 5 year old with our 2 in a
>> tiny 2 bedroom.
>> Finally got these boys shaped up and bought a house for room, and a week
>> later they gave them back to the mom. The old ladies brother never did what
>> he was supposed to.
>> Now today was their grandmas (my old ladies step moms) funeral, so whats
>> this trashcan do? Gets arrested for selling fucking meth
>> So dealing with all that comes with a funeral, we had to be late dealing
>> with the child services people. Get all that squared away, get through the
>> funeral and now find out we also get the joy of headlice.
>> Seriously, fucking shit fuck. How do people do this shit to kids, theyre
>> not just a thing you have while doing other things.
>>
>> Im not lawfully allowed to discuss any of this with anyone who is
>> remotely involved, i figure none of you are.
>>
>> But seriously, what the fuck, you get your kids back and sell meth. And
>> theyre already asking if they sign their righys if they can see the kids
>> still.
>>
>> I have very few skills, and none of rhem involve the ability to not want
>> to feed these people lead
>>
>
> --
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[Dave]

I hear the same shit as lewis and the sheriff mentioned that Every 
vehicle that is pulled over has some form of drug or paraphernalia in it.
Meth is the demon drug that will cause even the most humble become 
demented.
A peer of my rank in the army said "That some were just not meant to 
breed!" We laughed about it but I do believe there is some truth to that.




On 04/15/2018 05:11 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
I think Meth answers all your "why" questions. Since I deal with 
almost every sheriff in and most every drug focused law enforcement I 
hear a lot of their stories. One of them tells me that 95%+ of crime 
is drug related. CPS type problems they put at about 80% with the 
remaining 15% made of of perverts that should probably be castrated 
upon a verdict.


On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 10:03 AM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com 
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:


I had a similar situation.  Rather my wife did.  We took the kids
in (her sister’s kids).
Very similar situation, neglected, abused, drugs etc.
One of the parents got them back for a while, then the other.
Those kids still think of my wife as “mom”.  They are all grown up
with grandkids of their own now.
One of them is a solid cop in Reno.  The other has not turned out
so well.
The world needs standup guys like you.
*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Saturday, April 14, 2018 11:00 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
    *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents
You folks get my vent because i cant anywherr else. So like 7
years ago we took in my old ladys nephews because, well fuckwit
parents. FYI the foster care system is aweful. We fostered them
for a year and half while her brother and baby momma sorted their
shit, or so we thought. The 18 month old at the time had a club
foot, i had to build a sleeping rig with some shoes with the
ankles hooked together and the toes locked outward with a ruler, i
worked his legs in and out til his hip popped one night, i thought
i broke his hip, but it was just something going back. The 4 year
old you couldbt understand cause they thought baby talk was cute
so they never taught him to speak. We fixed that, and that was the
least bad of the fuckery. This was me, the old lady, a1,2,4,and 5
year old with our 2 in a tiny 2 bedroom.
Finally got these boys shaped up and bought a house for room, and
a week later they gave them back to the mom. The old ladies
brother never did what he was supposed to.
Now today was their grandmas (my old ladies step moms) funeral, so
whats this trashcan do? Gets arrested for selling fucking meth
So dealing with all that comes with a funeral, we had to be late
dealing with the child services people. Get all that squared away,
get through the funeral and now find out we also get the joy of
headlice.
Seriously, fucking shit fuck. How do people do this shit to kids,
theyre not just a thing you have while doing other things.
Im not lawfully allowed to discuss any of this with anyone who is
remotely involved, i figure none of you are.
But seriously, what the fuck, you get your kids back and sell
meth. And theyre already asking if they sign their righys if they
can see the kids still.
I have very few skills, and none of rhem involve the ability to
not want to feed these people lead



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Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[Lewis Bergman]

I think Meth answers all your "why" questions. Since I deal with almost
every sheriff in and most every drug focused law enforcement I hear a lot
of their stories. One of them tells me that 95%+ of crime is drug related.
CPS type problems they put at about 80% with the remaining 15% made of of
perverts that should probably be castrated upon a verdict.

On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 10:03 AM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> I had a similar situation.  Rather my wife did.  We took the kids in (her
> sister’s kids).
> Very similar situation, neglected, abused, drugs etc.
>
> One of the parents got them back for a while, then the other.
>
> Those kids still think of my wife as “mom”.  They are all grown up with
> grandkids of their own now.
> One of them is a solid cop in Reno.  The other has not turned out so
> well.
>
> The world needs standup guys like you.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Saturday, April 14, 2018 11:00 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents
>
> You folks get my vent because i cant anywherr else. So like 7 years ago we
> took in my old ladys nephews because, well fuckwit parents. FYI the foster
> care system is aweful. We fostered them for a year and half while her
> brother and baby momma sorted their shit, or so we thought. The 18 month
> old at the time had a club foot, i had to build a sleeping rig with some
> shoes with the ankles hooked together and the toes locked outward with a
> ruler, i worked his legs in and out til his hip popped one night, i thought
> i broke his hip, but it was just something going back. The 4 year old you
> couldbt understand cause they thought baby talk was cute so they never
> taught him to speak. We fixed that, and that was the least bad of the
> fuckery. This was me, the old lady, a1,2,4,and 5 year old with our 2 in a
> tiny 2 bedroom.
> Finally got these boys shaped up and bought a house for room, and a week
> later they gave them back to the mom. The old ladies brother never did what
> he was supposed to.
> Now today was their grandmas (my old ladies step moms) funeral, so whats
> this trashcan do? Gets arrested for selling fucking meth
> So dealing with all that comes with a funeral, we had to be late dealing
> with the child services people. Get all that squared away, get through the
> funeral and now find out we also get the joy of headlice.
> Seriously, fucking shit fuck. How do people do this shit to kids, theyre
> not just a thing you have while doing other things.
>
> Im not lawfully allowed to discuss any of this with anyone who is remotely
> involved, i figure none of you are.
>
> But seriously, what the fuck, you get your kids back and sell meth. And
> theyre already asking if they sign their righys if they can see the kids
> still.
>
> I have very few skills, and none of rhem involve the ability to not want
> to feed these people lead
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[Chuck McCown]

I had a similar situation.  Rather my wife did.  We took the kids in (her 
sister’s kids).  
Very similar situation, neglected, abused, drugs etc.

One of the parents got them back for a while, then the other.  

Those kids still think of my wife as “mom”.  They are all grown up with 
grandkids of their own now.  
One of them is a solid cop in Reno.  The other has not turned out so well.  

The world needs standup guys like you.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 11:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

You folks get my vent because i cant anywherr else. So like 7 years ago we took 
in my old ladys nephews because, well fuckwit parents. FYI the foster care 
system is aweful. We fostered them for a year and half while her brother and 
baby momma sorted their shit, or so we thought. The 18 month old at the time 
had a club foot, i had to build a sleeping rig with some shoes with the ankles 
hooked together and the toes locked outward with a ruler, i worked his legs in 
and out til his hip popped one night, i thought i broke his hip, but it was 
just something going back. The 4 year old you couldbt understand cause they 
thought baby talk was cute so they never taught him to speak. We fixed that, 
and that was the least bad of the fuckery. This was me, the old lady, 
a1,2,4,and 5 year old with our 2 in a tiny 2 bedroom. 
Finally got these boys shaped up and bought a house for room, and a week later 
they gave them back to the mom. The old ladies brother never did what he was 
supposed to.
Now today was their grandmas (my old ladies step moms) funeral, so whats this 
trashcan do? Gets arrested for selling fucking meth
So dealing with all that comes with a funeral, we had to be late dealing with 
the child services people. Get all that squared away, get through the funeral 
and now find out we also get the joy of headlice.
Seriously, fucking shit fuck. How do people do this shit to kids, theyre not 
just a thing you have while doing other things.

Im not lawfully allowed to discuss any of this with anyone who is remotely 
involved, i figure none of you are.

But seriously, what the fuck, you get your kids back and sell meth. And theyre 
already asking if they sign their righys if they can see the kids still.

I have very few skills, and none of rhem involve the ability to not want to 
feed these people lead

Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[Steve Jones]

Yeah, when i was young went with a buddy to smoke pot. Was hitting the bong
when a little girl, like 2 walks in. I try hiding it, but theyre like "its
ok, she always hangs out" or something like that, i left. Turns out this
little girl is the mom. Garbage in garbage out

On Sun, Apr 15, 2018, 12:29 AM Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> A lot of people have a poor sense of responsibility that ends up with them
> having kids, often at a young age.
>
> Unfortunately roughly half, based on my experience, never grow into that
> responsibility.
>
> Then their kids do the same, etc... Shitty cycle.
>
> Props to you for trying to do the right thing here.
>
> On Sun, Apr 15, 2018, 12:00 AM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> You folks get my vent because i cant anywherr else. So like 7 years ago
>> we took in my old ladys nephews because, well fuckwit parents. FYI the
>> foster care system is aweful. We fostered them for a year and half while
>> her brother and baby momma sorted their shit, or so we thought. The 18
>> month old at the time had a club foot, i had to build a sleeping rig with
>> some shoes with the ankles hooked together and the toes locked outward with
>> a ruler, i worked his legs in and out til his hip popped one night, i
>> thought i broke his hip, but it was just something going back. The 4 year
>> old you couldbt understand cause they thought baby talk was cute so they
>> never taught him to speak. We fixed that, and that was the least bad of the
>> fuckery. This was me, the old lady, a1,2,4,and 5 year old with our 2 in a
>> tiny 2 bedroom.
>> Finally got these boys shaped up and bought a house for room, and a week
>> later they gave them back to the mom. The old ladies brother never did what
>> he was supposed to.
>> Now today was their grandmas (my old ladies step moms) funeral, so whats
>> this trashcan do? Gets arrested for selling fucking meth
>> So dealing with all that comes with a funeral, we had to be late dealing
>> with the child services people. Get all that squared away, get through the
>> funeral and now find out we also get the joy of headlice.
>> Seriously, fucking shit fuck. How do people do this shit to kids, theyre
>> not just a thing you have while doing other things.
>>
>> Im not lawfully allowed to discuss any of this with anyone who is
>> remotely involved, i figure none of you are.
>>
>> But seriously, what the fuck, you get your kids back and sell meth. And
>> theyre already asking if they sign their righys if they can see the kids
>> still.
>>
>> I have very few skills, and none of rhem involve the ability to not want
>> to feed these people lead
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[Josh Reynolds]

A lot of people have a poor sense of responsibility that ends up with them
having kids, often at a young age.

Unfortunately roughly half, based on my experience, never grow into that
responsibility.

Then their kids do the same, etc... Shitty cycle.

Props to you for trying to do the right thing here.

On Sun, Apr 15, 2018, 12:00 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> You folks get my vent because i cant anywherr else. So like 7 years ago we
> took in my old ladys nephews because, well fuckwit parents. FYI the foster
> care system is aweful. We fostered them for a year and half while her
> brother and baby momma sorted their shit, or so we thought. The 18 month
> old at the time had a club foot, i had to build a sleeping rig with some
> shoes with the ankles hooked together and the toes locked outward with a
> ruler, i worked his legs in and out til his hip popped one night, i thought
> i broke his hip, but it was just something going back. The 4 year old you
> couldbt understand cause they thought baby talk was cute so they never
> taught him to speak. We fixed that, and that was the least bad of the
> fuckery. This was me, the old lady, a1,2,4,and 5 year old with our 2 in a
> tiny 2 bedroom.
> Finally got these boys shaped up and bought a house for room, and a week
> later they gave them back to the mom. The old ladies brother never did what
> he was supposed to.
> Now today was their grandmas (my old ladies step moms) funeral, so whats
> this trashcan do? Gets arrested for selling fucking meth
> So dealing with all that comes with a funeral, we had to be late dealing
> with the child services people. Get all that squared away, get through the
> funeral and now find out we also get the joy of headlice.
> Seriously, fucking shit fuck. How do people do this shit to kids, theyre
> not just a thing you have while doing other things.
>
> Im not lawfully allowed to discuss any of this with anyone who is remotely
> involved, i figure none of you are.
>
> But seriously, what the fuck, you get your kids back and sell meth. And
> theyre already asking if they sign their righys if they can see the kids
> still.
>
> I have very few skills, and none of rhem involve the ability to not want
> to feed these people lead
>

[AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[Steve Jones]

You folks get my vent because i cant anywherr else. So like 7 years ago we
took in my old ladys nephews because, well fuckwit parents. FYI the foster
care system is aweful. We fostered them for a year and half while her
brother and baby momma sorted their shit, or so we thought. The 18 month
old at the time had a club foot, i had to build a sleeping rig with some
shoes with the ankles hooked together and the toes locked outward with a
ruler, i worked his legs in and out til his hip popped one night, i thought
i broke his hip, but it was just something going back. The 4 year old you
couldbt understand cause they thought baby talk was cute so they never
taught him to speak. We fixed that, and that was the least bad of the
fuckery. This was me, the old lady, a1,2,4,and 5 year old with our 2 in a
tiny 2 bedroom.
Finally got these boys shaped up and bought a house for room, and a week
later they gave them back to the mom. The old ladies brother never did what
he was supposed to.
Now today was their grandmas (my old ladies step moms) funeral, so whats
this trashcan do? Gets arrested for selling fucking meth
So dealing with all that comes with a funeral, we had to be late dealing
with the child services people. Get all that squared away, get through the
funeral and now find out we also get the joy of headlice.
Seriously, fucking shit fuck. How do people do this shit to kids, theyre
not just a thing you have while doing other things.

Im not lawfully allowed to discuss any of this with anyone who is remotely
involved, i figure none of you are.

But seriously, what the fuck, you get your kids back and sell meth. And
theyre already asking if they sign their righys if they can see the kids
still.

I have very few skills, and none of rhem involve the ability to not want to
feed these people lead