Re: [AFMUG] Splice Cases

2018-03-12 Thread Jon Langeler
If you want to go China, I tried some from FCST.com.cn around $50ea + shipping 
was not cheap. 
Heat shrink works but not as nice ask FOSC.

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Mar 12, 2018, at 11:24 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
> 
> Come to AnimalFarm and see the results
> www.afmug.com
>  
> From: Erich Kaiser
> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 9:16 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Splice Cases
>  
> Let us know how they work, we may buy some as well depending on the outcome 
> of your testing :)
>  
> Erich Kaiser
> North Central Tower
> er...@northcentraltower.com
> Office: 815-570-3101
>  
> 
> 
>  
>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 9:00 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>> I am going to buy a few and give them a try.  I wonder how well they will do 
>> under water.
>> They need to work on their online search.  I am always having problems 
>> finding stuff I know they have.
>>  
>> Anyone know what the super sticky gel rubber is made from? 
>>  
>> From: Steve Utick
>> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 7:18 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Splice Cases
>>  
>> They are listed under WDM & Optical Access:
>> 
>> https://www.fs.com/c/fiber-optic-splice-closure-17
>>  
>>> On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 5:36 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>> I see trays but not enclosures.
>>>  
>>> Link?
>>>  
>>> From: Erich Kaiser
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 4:54 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Splice Cases
>>>  
>>> They do have one for 144 count fiber on their website, looks to be about $44
>>>  
>>> Erich Kaiser
>>> North Central Tower
>>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>> Office: 815-570-3101
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>>> On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 5:26 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>> Is there any FS type lower cost splice cases out in the world yet? 
>>>>  
>>>> I say FS type because everything Fiber Store does is 20% the cost of 
>>>> everyone else.
>>>>  
>>>> Hoping for something lower cost.  Not really an area you want to cut 
>>>> corners on, but they sure are expensive.  Say you feed 144 strands in and 
>>>> out of a typical splice case that has a port that will take 6 drops.  You 
>>>> will be paying $120-$240 for something like that.  $20 to $40 per drop 
>>>> just for the splice case. 
>>>> Add in an equal amount for the hand hole, you could be in $80 per customer 
>>>> before electronics just to make the splice. 
>>> 
>>>  
>> 
>>  
> 
>  


Re: [AFMUG] Splice Cases

2018-03-12 Thread chuck
Come to AnimalFarm and see the results
www.afmug.com

From: Erich Kaiser 
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 9:16 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Splice Cases

Let us know how they work, we may buy some as well depending on the outcome of 
your testing :) 

Erich Kaiser

North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 815-570-3101





On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 9:00 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  I am going to buy a few and give them a try.  I wonder how well they will do 
under water.
  They need to work on their online search.  I am always having problems 
finding stuff I know they have.

  Anyone know what the super sticky gel rubber is made from?  

  From: Steve Utick 
  Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 7:18 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Splice Cases

  They are listed under WDM & Optical Access:

  https://www.fs.com/c/fiber-optic-splice-closure-17


  On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 5:36 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

I see trays but not enclosures.

Link?

From: Erich Kaiser 
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 4:54 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Splice Cases

They do have one for 144 count fiber on their website, looks to be about 
$44 

Erich Kaiser

North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 815-570-3101





On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 5:26 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  Is there any FS type lower cost splice cases out in the world yet?  

  I say FS type because everything Fiber Store does is 20% the cost of 
everyone else.

  Hoping for something lower cost.  Not really an area you want to cut 
corners on, but they sure are expensive.  Say you feed 144 strands in and out 
of a typical splice case that has a port that will take 6 drops.  You will be 
paying $120-$240 for something like that.  $20 to $40 per drop just for the 
splice case.  
  Add in an equal amount for the hand hole, you could be in $80 per 
customer before electronics just to make the splice.  




Re: [AFMUG] Splice Cases

2018-03-12 Thread Erich Kaiser
Let us know how they work, we may buy some as well depending on the outcome
of your testing :)

Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 815-570-3101




On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 9:00 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> I am going to buy a few and give them a try.  I wonder how well they will
> do under water.
> They need to work on their online search.  I am always having problems
> finding stuff I know they have.
>
> Anyone know what the super sticky gel rubber is made from?
>
> *From:* Steve Utick
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 11, 2018 7:18 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Splice Cases
>
> They are listed under WDM & Optical Access:
>
> https://www.fs.com/c/fiber-optic-splice-closure-17
>
> On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 5:36 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> I see trays but not enclosures.
>>
>> Link?
>>
>> *From:* Erich Kaiser
>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 11, 2018 4:54 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Splice Cases
>>
>> They do have one for 144 count fiber on their website, looks to be about
>> $44
>>
>> Erich Kaiser
>> North Central Tower
>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>> Office: 815-570-3101 <(815)%20570-3101>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 5:26 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Is there any FS type lower cost splice cases out in the world yet?
>>>
>>> I say FS type because everything Fiber Store does is 20% the cost of
>>> everyone else.
>>>
>>> Hoping for something lower cost.  Not really an area you want to cut
>>> corners on, but they sure are expensive.  Say you feed 144 strands in and
>>> out of a typical splice case that has a port that will take 6 drops.  You
>>> will be paying $120-$240 for something like that.  $20 to $40 per drop just
>>> for the splice case.
>>> Add in an equal amount for the hand hole, you could be in $80 per
>>> customer before electronics just to make the splice.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>


Re: [AFMUG] Splice Cases

2018-03-12 Thread Carl Peterson
DTC6 is cheaper then the Optima-S  We get them for ~$90 without pigtails.

On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 10:41 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

> For drop termination I'm really eyeballing the Multilink Optima-S, but I
> haven't deployed any yet.  With 4 ports it's around $135, so it does not
> fit the lower price you're looking for.  It has an upper and lower
> compartment: splice trays in the lower compartment, female terminations in
> the upper compartment.  The idea is during construction you run a few
> pigtails from the lower to upper compartmentone for each house you
> might hook up.  If you're doing PON you could stash a splitter in the lower
> compartment as well.
>
> The installer then just does a field termination and plugs it in.  My hope
> would be that we save time from setting up and tearing down the splicer,
> taking the enclosure off the pole, putting it back up, and retying the
> slack.  We're also not splicing in a bucket or having a cable puller guy
> monkeying with splice trays with 144 other people's service just waiting to
> be tangled up or bent or broken.  I would like to pay less, but I'm
> focusing on saving time and avoiding costly error.
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 3/11/2018 6:26:15 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Splice Cases
>
> Is there any FS type lower cost splice cases out in the world yet?
>
> I say FS type because everything Fiber Store does is 20% the cost of
> everyone else.
>
> Hoping for something lower cost.  Not really an area you want to cut
> corners on, but they sure are expensive.  Say you feed 144 strands in and
> out of a typical splice case that has a port that will take 6 drops.  You
> will be paying $120-$240 for something like that.  $20 to $40 per drop just
> for the splice case.
> Add in an equal amount for the hand hole, you could be in $80 per customer
> before electronics just to make the splice.
>
>


-- 

Carl Peterson

*PORT NETWORKS*

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707


Re: [AFMUG] Splice Cases

2018-03-12 Thread chuck
I don’t like connectors in splice cases.  If you burn it you know it is good.  
But I don’t do Aerial.  If I was doing Aerial I might consider it.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 8:41 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Splice Cases

For drop termination I'm really eyeballing the Multilink Optima-S, but I 
haven't deployed any yet.  With 4 ports it's around $135, so it does not fit 
the lower price you're looking for.  It has an upper and lower compartment: 
splice trays in the lower compartment, female terminations in the upper 
compartment.  The idea is during construction you run a few pigtails from the 
lower to upper compartmentone for each house you might hook up.  If you're 
doing PON you could stash a splitter in the lower compartment as well.

The installer then just does a field termination and plugs it in.  My hope 
would be that we save time from setting up and tearing down the splicer, taking 
the enclosure off the pole, putting it back up, and retying the slack.  We're 
also not splicing in a bucket or having a cable puller guy monkeying with 
splice trays with 144 other people's service just waiting to be tangled up or 
bent or broken.  I would like to pay less, but I'm focusing on saving time and 
avoiding costly error.



-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/11/2018 6:26:15 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Splice Cases

  Is there any FS type lower cost splice cases out in the world yet?  

  I say FS type because everything Fiber Store does is 20% the cost of everyone 
else.

  Hoping for something lower cost.  Not really an area you want to cut corners 
on, but they sure are expensive.  Say you feed 144 strands in and out of a 
typical splice case that has a port that will take 6 drops.  You will be paying 
$120-$240 for something like that.  $20 to $40 per drop just for the splice 
case.  
  Add in an equal amount for the hand hole, you could be in $80 per customer 
before electronics just to make the splice.  

Re: [AFMUG] Splice Cases

2018-03-12 Thread Adam Moffett
For drop termination I'm really eyeballing the Multilink Optima-S, but I 
haven't deployed any yet.  With 4 ports it's around $135, so it does not 
fit the lower price you're looking for.  It has an upper and lower 
compartment: splice trays in the lower compartment, female terminations 
in the upper compartment.  The idea is during construction you run a few 
pigtails from the lower to upper compartmentone for each house you 
might hook up.  If you're doing PON you could stash a splitter in the 
lower compartment as well.


The installer then just does a field termination and plugs it in.  My 
hope would be that we save time from setting up and tearing down the 
splicer, taking the enclosure off the pole, putting it back up, and 
retying the slack.  We're also not splicing in a bucket or having a 
cable puller guy monkeying with splice trays with 144 other people's 
service just waiting to be tangled up or bent or broken.  I would like 
to pay less, but I'm focusing on saving time and avoiding costly error.




-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/11/2018 6:26:15 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Splice Cases


Is there any FS type lower cost splice cases out in the world yet?

I say FS type because everything Fiber Store does is 20% the cost of 
everyone else.


Hoping for something lower cost.  Not really an area you want to cut 
corners on, but they sure are expensive.  Say you feed 144 strands in 
and out of a typical splice case that has a port that will take 6 
drops.  You will be paying $120-$240 for something like that.  $20 to 
$40 per drop just for the splice case.
Add in an equal amount for the hand hole, you could be in $80 per 
customer before electronics just to make the splice.

Re: [AFMUG] Splice Cases

2018-03-12 Thread chuck
I am going to buy a few and give them a try.  I wonder how well they will do 
under water.
They need to work on their online search.  I am always having problems finding 
stuff I know they have.

Anyone know what the super sticky gel rubber is made from?  

From: Steve Utick 
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 7:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Splice Cases

They are listed under WDM & Optical Access:

https://www.fs.com/c/fiber-optic-splice-closure-17


On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 5:36 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  I see trays but not enclosures.

  Link?

  From: Erich Kaiser 
  Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 4:54 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Splice Cases

  They do have one for 144 count fiber on their website, looks to be about $44 

  Erich Kaiser

  North Central Tower
  er...@northcentraltower.com
  Office: 815-570-3101





  On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 5:26 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Is there any FS type lower cost splice cases out in the world yet?  

I say FS type because everything Fiber Store does is 20% the cost of 
everyone else.

Hoping for something lower cost.  Not really an area you want to cut 
corners on, but they sure are expensive.  Say you feed 144 strands in and out 
of a typical splice case that has a port that will take 6 drops.  You will be 
paying $120-$240 for something like that.  $20 to $40 per drop just for the 
splice case.  
Add in an equal amount for the hand hole, you could be in $80 per customer 
before electronics just to make the splice.  



Re: [AFMUG] Splice Cases

2018-03-12 Thread Carl Peterson
I ordered a number of their smaller cases for testing and they just didn't
feel right or seem well thought out.  Could also just be that I don't know
how to order the right parts to go inside them.  Like ordering just a
Coyote DTC6 case but not knowing how to order all the right inside parts
and grommets to make it work.

Ended up just working with the DTC6 in a layered feeder design where we
feed a string of DTC6s with a 24 strand clearfield cable in 10/6 coming
from a real splice case and then feed YourX terminals off of the DTC6 using
strongfiber run through 10/6.  Wouldn't work as well running down a road in
a line but works really well when you need to service a few hundred
distributed houses in a community off of one real splice case.

On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 9:19 PM, Jon Langeler 
wrote:

> If your used to the FOSC case ‘gel seal’, we found it’s pretty trustworthy
> and quick. Otherwise your using headshrink with every other brand which
> takes some more time. I’ve not seen a gel seal design with any other brands
> but I didn’t search very well.
>
> Another option to consider is going above ground for the splices.
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
>
> On Mar 11, 2018, at 6:26 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> Is there any FS type lower cost splice cases out in the world yet?
>
> I say FS type because everything Fiber Store does is 20% the cost of
> everyone else.
>
> Hoping for something lower cost.  Not really an area you want to cut
> corners on, but they sure are expensive.  Say you feed 144 strands in and
> out of a typical splice case that has a port that will take 6 drops.  You
> will be paying $120-$240 for something like that.  $20 to $40 per drop just
> for the splice case.
> Add in an equal amount for the hand hole, you could be in $80 per customer
> before electronics just to make the splice.
>
>


-- 

Carl Peterson

*PORT NETWORKS*

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707


Re: [AFMUG] Splice Cases

2018-03-11 Thread Steve Utick
They are listed under WDM & Optical Access:

https://www.fs.com/c/fiber-optic-splice-closure-17

On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 5:36 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> I see trays but not enclosures.
>
> Link?
>
> *From:* Erich Kaiser
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 11, 2018 4:54 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Splice Cases
>
> They do have one for 144 count fiber on their website, looks to be about
> $44
>
> Erich Kaiser
> North Central Tower
> er...@northcentraltower.com
> Office: 815-570-3101 <(815)%20570-3101>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 5:26 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> Is there any FS type lower cost splice cases out in the world yet?
>>
>> I say FS type because everything Fiber Store does is 20% the cost of
>> everyone else.
>>
>> Hoping for something lower cost.  Not really an area you want to cut
>> corners on, but they sure are expensive.  Say you feed 144 strands in and
>> out of a typical splice case that has a port that will take 6 drops.  You
>> will be paying $120-$240 for something like that.  $20 to $40 per drop just
>> for the splice case.
>> Add in an equal amount for the hand hole, you could be in $80 per
>> customer before electronics just to make the splice.
>>
>
>


Re: [AFMUG] Splice Cases

2018-03-11 Thread Kevin Radunz
Search for splice closure instead of splice case.
Problem I think is these ship from China so either slow boat shipping and
waiting 2 months or very expensive shipping.


> I see trays but not enclosures.
>
> Link?
>
> From: Erich Kaiser
> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 4:54 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Splice Cases
>
> They do have one for 144 count fiber on their website, looks to be about
> $44
>
> Erich Kaiser
>
> North Central Tower
> er...@northcentraltower.com
> Office: 815-570-3101
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 5:26 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>   Is there any FS type lower cost splice cases out in the world yet?
>
>   I say FS type because everything Fiber Store does is 20% the cost of
> everyone else.
>
>   Hoping for something lower cost.  Not really an area you want to cut
> corners on, but they sure are expensive.  Say you feed 144 strands in
> and out of a typical splice case that has a port that will take 6 drops.
>  You will be paying $120-$240 for something like that.  $20 to $40 per
> drop just for the splice case.
>   Add in an equal amount for the hand hole, you could be in $80 per
> customer before electronics just to make the splice.
>




Re: [AFMUG] Splice Cases

2018-03-11 Thread Jason McKemie
I use a fair amount of FS optics, cable assemblies, etc. I'm not sure I'd
trust their OSP products though.

On Sunday, March 11, 2018, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Is there any FS type lower cost splice cases out in the world yet?
>
> I say FS type because everything Fiber Store does is 20% the cost of
> everyone else.
>
> Hoping for something lower cost.  Not really an area you want to cut
> corners on, but they sure are expensive.  Say you feed 144 strands in and
> out of a typical splice case that has a port that will take 6 drops.  You
> will be paying $120-$240 for something like that.  $20 to $40 per drop just
> for the splice case.
> Add in an equal amount for the hand hole, you could be in $80 per customer
> before electronics just to make the splice.
>


Re: [AFMUG] Splice Cases

2018-03-11 Thread Chuck McCown
I see trays but not enclosures.

Link?

From: Erich Kaiser 
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 4:54 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Splice Cases

They do have one for 144 count fiber on their website, looks to be about $44 

Erich Kaiser

North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 815-570-3101





On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 5:26 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  Is there any FS type lower cost splice cases out in the world yet?  

  I say FS type because everything Fiber Store does is 20% the cost of everyone 
else.

  Hoping for something lower cost.  Not really an area you want to cut corners 
on, but they sure are expensive.  Say you feed 144 strands in and out of a 
typical splice case that has a port that will take 6 drops.  You will be paying 
$120-$240 for something like that.  $20 to $40 per drop just for the splice 
case.  
  Add in an equal amount for the hand hole, you could be in $80 per customer 
before electronics just to make the splice.  


Re: [AFMUG] Splice Cases

2018-03-11 Thread Erich Kaiser
They do have one for 144 count fiber on their website, looks to be about $44

Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 815-570-3101




On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 5:26 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Is there any FS type lower cost splice cases out in the world yet?
>
> I say FS type because everything Fiber Store does is 20% the cost of
> everyone else.
>
> Hoping for something lower cost.  Not really an area you want to cut
> corners on, but they sure are expensive.  Say you feed 144 strands in and
> out of a typical splice case that has a port that will take 6 drops.  You
> will be paying $120-$240 for something like that.  $20 to $40 per drop just
> for the splice case.
> Add in an equal amount for the hand hole, you could be in $80 per customer
> before electronics just to make the splice.
>


Re: [AFMUG] Splice Cases

2018-03-11 Thread Brett A Mansfield
I’ve been wondering the same thing. I need one that will service only two 
homes, and it just so expensive per sub. I want something around the $50 price 
point that has access for two subs but has room for at least 72 strand.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

> On Mar 11, 2018, at 4:26 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> 
> Is there any FS type lower cost splice cases out in the world yet? 
>  
> I say FS type because everything Fiber Store does is 20% the cost of everyone 
> else.
>  
> Hoping for something lower cost.  Not really an area you want to cut corners 
> on, but they sure are expensive.  Say you feed 144 strands in and out of a 
> typical splice case that has a port that will take 6 drops.  You will be 
> paying $120-$240 for something like that.  $20 to $40 per drop just for the 
> splice case. 
> Add in an equal amount for the hand hole, you could be in $80 per customer 
> before electronics just to make the splice. 


[AFMUG] Splice Cases

2018-03-11 Thread Chuck McCown
Is there any FS type lower cost splice cases out in the world yet?  

I say FS type because everything Fiber Store does is 20% the cost of everyone 
else.

Hoping for something lower cost.  Not really an area you want to cut corners 
on, but they sure are expensive.  Say you feed 144 strands in and out of a 
typical splice case that has a port that will take 6 drops.  You will be paying 
$120-$240 for something like that.  $20 to $40 per drop just for the splice 
case.  
Add in an equal amount for the hand hole, you could be in $80 per customer 
before electronics just to make the splice.