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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey

2018-06-08 Thread Gino A. Villarini

Make that a single radio with a “beeamforming” Omni, radio selects what beam 
subs are in…

From: Af mailto:[email protected]>> on behalf of Matt 
Mangriotis 
mailto:[email protected]>>
Reply-To: "[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>" 
mailto:[email protected]>>
Date: Friday, June 8, 2018 at 2:17 PM
To: "[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>" mailto:[email protected]>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey

I certainly hoped you filled in the survey!  This is good stuff.

Thanks,
Matt

From: Af mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of Carl 
Peterson
Sent: Friday, June 8, 2018 11:43 AM
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey

Because you have a few thousand 450 subs and don't wan't to have to stock your 
vans with something new.
Because you want to unload some of your sectors without re-installing 
customers, just a repoint.  Being able to move 20-30 subs off a sector to a 
micropop is huge.
Because you want consistency for your back office and support staff.
Because you need to pay a lineman to put it up on a pole above the Electrical 
space and don't want to touch it for 5-8 years. (I have no idea what ePMP 
reliability looks like but have had plenty FSK etc gear up for 10+ years)

For me, the perfect 450 micropop would be an omni 450M with Direct DC input, an 
SFP, a copper port, and an integrated GPS receiver.  1A 48V POE out would be 
nice too.  Something in the 1-1.5K price range to support 20-30 subs with a 
form factor like the A5-19.  I could power it and a Siklu with a two 48V runs 
up the pole, or just it with fiber and DC up the pole.

Gino A. Villarini

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 10:47 PM, George Skorup 
mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Ok, I guess I have to be the one to say this. Why would we want a 450-based 
micro-POP product when we have ePMP? Just askin'.
On 6/7/2018 10:29 AM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:
I would really like to get your opinions on this topicï¿1Ž2 would a 450 device 
like this help you in your network?
ï¿1Ž2
Nowï¿1Ž2s you chance to comment and help direct us!
ï¿1Ž2
Please fill out the short survey and add any other info youï¿1Ž2d like.ï¿1Ž2 
Itï¿1Ž2s only 16 questions.
ï¿1Ž2
Matt
ï¿1Ž2
From: Af <mailto:[email protected]> On Behalf Of Ray 
Savich
Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 10:08 AM
To: '[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>' <mailto:[email protected]>
Subject [AFMUG] Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey
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Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey

2018-06-08 Thread Matt Mangriotis

I certainly hoped you filled in the survey!  This is good stuff.

Thanks,
Matt

From: Af  On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Friday, June 8, 2018 11:43 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey

Because you have a few thousand 450 subs and don't wan't to have to stock your 
vans with something new.
Because you want to unload some of your sectors without re-installing 
customers, just a repoint.  Being able to move 20-30 subs off a sector to a 
micropop is huge.
Because you want consistency for your back office and support staff.
Because you need to pay a lineman to put it up on a pole above the Electrical 
space and don't want to touch it for 5-8 years. (I have no idea what ePMP 
reliability looks like but have had plenty FSK etc gear up for 10+ years)

For me, the perfect 450 micropop would be an omni 450M with Direct DC input, an 
SFP, a copper port, and an integrated GPS receiver.  1A 48V POE out would be 
nice too.  Something in the 1-1.5K price range to support 20-30 subs with a 
form factor like the A5-19.  I could power it and a Siklu with a two 48V runs 
up the pole, or just it with fiber and DC up the pole.

On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 10:47 PM, George Skorup 
mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Ok, I guess I have to be the one to say this. Why would we want a 450-based 
micro-POP product when we have ePMP? Just askin'.
On 6/7/2018 10:29 AM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:
I would really like to get your opinions on this topicï¿½ would a 450 device 
like this help you in your network?
ï¿½
Nowï¿½s you chance to comment and help direct us!
ï¿½
Please fill out the short survey and add any other info youï¿½d like.ï¿½ Itï¿½s 
only 16 questions.
ï¿½
Matt
ï¿½
From: Af  On Behalf Of Ray 
Savich
Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 10:08 AM
To: '[email protected]' 
Subject [AFMUG] Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey
ï¿½
Add your input to the Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey.
https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/CambiumMicroPOP
ï¿½
ï¿½
Join the Conversation
Cambium Networks Community 
Forum
ï¿½

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Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey

2018-06-08 Thread Mathew Howard

Not that much, in most cases. Canopy PTP450 in 900mhz can use a 20mhz
channel, and do 256qam, but most of the time you're lucky if it even works.
In ideal conditions, I guess it should be able to do 100Mbps or so, but
900mhz rarely works as well as one would hope.

We have a 1.7 mile PTP450 link feeding a micropop, and at present, a link
test is giving me about 40Mbps aggregate. On a good day it'll do better
than that, but when you're going through as many trees as we are there,
signal tends to be all over the place, even with 900mhz.

Personally, I don't see that much value in having backhaul and AP
integrated into the same unit. I'd rather just have an auxiliary PoE out
ethernet port on one or the other, so that you can easily mix and match
different frequencies, and so on.


On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 12:09 PM,  wrote:

> I wonder how much speed you could get from a 900 radio that uses the whole
> 20 MHz.  If that was the output of the micropop and you kept distances
> short and antenna gains up it would hammer through almost anything.  Say
> 512 QAM.  You could deliver 100 Mbps.  Of course you would be claiming a
> monopoly on the whole band.  Perhaps OFDM might be a better way to go.  Use
> the orthogon method to occupy as much as you can find.
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Friday, June 8, 2018 11:03 AM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey
>
> Yeah, "under the canopy" doesn't really happen around here, but getting
> into the middle of the trees does work in some cases... if we can get a
> point-to-point link working to one house in the middle of a subdivision,
> you can often get LOS to several other houses and  nLOS will sometimes even
> work with 5ghz at that kind of range.
>
> On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 10:40 AM, Steve D  wrote:
>
>> And in bands outside of 5GHz as well.  I don't think there is such a
>> thing as "under the canopy" around here.  When you're in the trees, you're
>> in the trees.
>>
>> 900 in a lite configuration would be ideal for us.
>>
>> -Steve D
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 7:05 AM Matt  wrote:
>>
>>> Why not just make a PMP450i lite connectorized AP?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 8:19 AM, Matt Mangriotis
>>>  wrote:
>>> > Very good question George…
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I am trying to gauge interest.  Some folks would prefer that they are
>>> using
>>> > the same equipment throughout the network, and we don’t really have an
>>> > option right now for a lower priced (shorter range) but high throughput
>>> > extension of the network, but still a 450.  Same SMs, etc…
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Really wondering if many folks can’t complete a certain percentage of
>>> > installs due to obstructions (foliage) using 5 GHz, but could utilize
>>> an
>>> > “under the canopy” type of solution to light up a neighborhood.  Is
>>> that a
>>> > really common situation?  How common?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Any feedback is welcome, and I value your guys’ opinions (more than
>>> some
>>> > others)…
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Matt
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > From: Af  On Behalf Of George Skorup
>>> > Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 9:48 PM
>>> > To: [email protected]
>>> > Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Ok, I guess I have to be the one to say this. Why would we want a
>>> 450-based
>>> > micro-POP product when we have ePMP? Just askin'.
>>> >
>>> > On 6/7/2018 10:29 AM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I would really like to get your opinions on this topicï¿½ would a 450
>>> device
>>> > like this help you in your network?
>>> >
>>> > ï¿½
>>> >
>>> > Nowï¿½s you chance to comment and help direct us!
>>> >
>>> > ï¿½
>>> >
>>> > Please fill out the short survey and add any other info youï¿½d
>>> like.ï¿½
>>> > Itï¿½s only 16 questions.
>>> >
>>> > ï¿½
>>> >
>>> > Matt
>>> >
>>> > ï¿½
>>> >
>>> > From: Af  On Behalf Of Ray Savich
>>> > Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 10:08 AM
>>> > To: '[email protected]' 
>>> > Subject [AFMUG] Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey
>>> >
>>> > ï¿½
>>> >
>>> > Add your input to the Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey.
>>> >
>>> > https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/CambiumMicroPOP
>>> >
>>> > ï¿½
>>> >
>>> > ï¿½
>>> >
>>> > Join the Conversation
>>> >
>>> > Cambium Networks Community Forum
>>> >
>>> > ï¿½
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey

2018-06-08 Thread chuck

Oh, input on 900, yes.  
Get the guys in Devon to roll a PTP600 in a 900 MHz version.  

From: Brian Sullivan 
Sent: Friday, June 8, 2018 11:08 AM
To: [email protected] 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey

A neat product (which we couldn't use around here) would be a 5G 450 AP with 
900MHz OFDM PTP built in.  Although you would have to use all the available 
900Mhz spectrum to make it worthwhile.
Perhaps a nLOS 3.65 or LTE PTP combined with 450 AP would work in some areas.

On 6/8/2018 12:03 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

  Yeah, "under the canopy" doesn't really happen around here, but getting into 
the middle of the trees does work in some cases... if we can get a 
point-to-point link working to one house in the middle of a subdivision, you 
can often get LOS to several other houses and  nLOS will sometimes even work 
with 5ghz at that kind of range.

  On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 10:40 AM, Steve D  wrote:

And in bands outside of 5GHz as well.  I don't think there is such a thing 
as "under the canopy" around here.  When you're in the trees, you're in the 
trees. 

900 in a lite configuration would be ideal for us.  

-Steve D

On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 7:05 AM Matt  wrote:

  Why not just make a PMP450i lite connectorized AP?

  On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 8:19 AM, Matt Mangriotis
   wrote:

  > Very good question George…
  >
  >
  >
  > I am trying to gauge interest.  Some folks would prefer that they are 
using
  > the same equipment throughout the network, and we don’t really have an
  > option right now for a lower priced (shorter range) but high throughput
  > extension of the network, but still a 450.  Same SMs, etc…
  >
  >
  >
  > Really wondering if many folks can’t complete a certain percentage of
  > installs due to obstructions (foliage) using 5 GHz, but could utilize an
  > “under the canopy” type of solution to light up a neighborhood.  Is 
that a
  > really common situation?  How common?
  >
  >
  >
  > Any feedback is welcome, and I value your guys’ opinions (more than some
  > others)…
  >
  >
  >
  > Matt
  >
  >
  >
  > From: Af  On Behalf Of George Skorup
  > Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 9:48 PM
  > To: [email protected]
  > Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey
  >
  >
  >
  > Ok, I guess I have to be the one to say this. Why would we want a 
450-based
  > micro-POP product when we have ePMP? Just askin'.
  >
  > On 6/7/2018 10:29 AM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:
  >
  > I would really like to get your opinions on this topicï¿½ would a 450 
device
  > like this help you in your network?
  >
  > ï¿½
  >
  > Nowï¿½s you chance to comment and help direct us!
  >
  > ï¿½
  >
  > Please fill out the short survey and add any other info youï¿½d like.ï¿½
  > Itï¿½s only 16 questions.
  >
  > ï¿½
  >
  > Matt
  >
  > ï¿½
  >
  > From: Af  On Behalf Of Ray Savich
  > Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 10:08 AM
  > To: '[email protected]' 
  > Subject [AFMUG] Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey
  >
  > ï¿½
  >
  > Add your input to the Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey.
  >
  > https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/CambiumMicroPOP
  >
  > ï¿½
  >
  > ï¿½
  >
  > Join the Conversation
  >
  > Cambium Networks Community Forum
  >
  > ï¿½
  >
  >

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey

2018-06-08 Thread chuck

I wonder how much speed you could get from a 900 radio that uses the whole 20 
MHz.  If that was the output of the micropop and you kept distances short and 
antenna gains up it would hammer through almost anything.  Say 512 QAM.  You 
could deliver 100 Mbps.  Of course you would be claiming a monopoly on the 
whole band.  Perhaps OFDM might be a better way to go.  Use the orthogon method 
to occupy as much as you can find.  

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Friday, June 8, 2018 11:03 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey

Yeah, "under the canopy" doesn't really happen around here, but getting into 
the middle of the trees does work in some cases... if we can get a 
point-to-point link working to one house in the middle of a subdivision, you 
can often get LOS to several other houses and  nLOS will sometimes even work 
with 5ghz at that kind of range.

On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 10:40 AM, Steve D  wrote:

  And in bands outside of 5GHz as well.  I don't think there is such a thing as 
"under the canopy" around here.  When you're in the trees, you're in the trees. 

  900 in a lite configuration would be ideal for us.  

  -Steve D

  On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 7:05 AM Matt  wrote:

Why not just make a PMP450i lite connectorized AP?

On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 8:19 AM, Matt Mangriotis
 wrote:

> Very good question George…
>
>
>
> I am trying to gauge interest.  Some folks would prefer that they are 
using
> the same equipment throughout the network, and we don’t really have an
> option right now for a lower priced (shorter range) but high throughput
> extension of the network, but still a 450.  Same SMs, etc…
>
>
>
> Really wondering if many folks can’t complete a certain percentage of
> installs due to obstructions (foliage) using 5 GHz, but could utilize an
> “under the canopy” type of solution to light up a neighborhood.  Is that a
> really common situation?  How common?
>
>
>
> Any feedback is welcome, and I value your guys’ opinions (more than some
> others)…
>
>
>
> Matt
>
>
>
> From: Af  On Behalf Of George Skorup
> Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 9:48 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey
>
>
>
> Ok, I guess I have to be the one to say this. Why would we want a 
450-based
> micro-POP product when we have ePMP? Just askin'.
>
> On 6/7/2018 10:29 AM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:
>
> I would really like to get your opinions on this topicï¿½ would a 450 
device
> like this help you in your network?
>
> ï¿½
>
> Nowï¿½s you chance to comment and help direct us!
>
> ï¿½
>
> Please fill out the short survey and add any other info youï¿½d like.ï¿½
> Itï¿½s only 16 questions.
>
> ï¿½
>
> Matt
>
> ï¿½
>
> From: Af  On Behalf Of Ray Savich
> Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 10:08 AM
> To: '[email protected]' 
> Subject [AFMUG] Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey
>
> ï¿½
>
> Add your input to the Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey.
>
> https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/CambiumMicroPOP
>
> ï¿½
>
> ï¿½
>
> Join the Conversation
>
> Cambium Networks Community Forum
>
> ï¿½
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey

2018-06-08 Thread Brian Sullivan

A neat product (which we couldn't use around here) would be a 5G 450 AP 
with 900MHz OFDM PTP built in.  Although you would have to use all the 
available 900Mhz spectrum to make it worthwhile.
Perhaps a nLOS 3.65 or LTE PTP combined with 450 AP would work in some 
areas.

On 6/8/2018 12:03 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Yeah, "under the canopy" doesn't really happen around here, but 
getting into the middle of the trees does work in some cases... if we 
can get a point-to-point link working to one house in the middle of a 
subdivision, you can often get LOS to several other houses and  nLOS 
will sometimes even work with 5ghz at that kind of range.

On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 10:40 AM, Steve D > wrote:

And in bands outside of 5GHz as well.  I don't think there is such
a thing as "under the canopy" around here.  When you're in the
trees, you're in the trees.

900 in a lite configuration would be ideal for us.

-Steve D

On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 7:05 AM Matt mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

Why not just make a PMP450i lite connectorized AP?

On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 8:19 AM, Matt Mangriotis
mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> Very good question George…
>
>
>
> I am trying to gauge interest.  Some folks would prefer that
they are using
> the same equipment throughout the network, and we don’t
really have an
> option right now for a lower priced (shorter range) but high
throughput
> extension of the network, but still a 450. Same SMs, etc…
>
>
>
> Really wondering if many folks can’t complete a certain
percentage of
> installs due to obstructions (foliage) using 5 GHz, but
could utilize an
> “under the canopy” type of solution to light up a
neighborhood.  Is that a
> really common situation?  How common?
>
>
>
> Any feedback is welcome, and I value your guys’ opinions
(more than some
> others)…
>
>
>
> Matt
>
>
>
> From: Af mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of George Skorup
> Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 9:48 PM
> To: [email protected] 
> Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Networks MicroPOP
survey
>
>
>
> Ok, I guess I have to be the one to say this. Why would we
want a 450-based
> micro-POP product when we have ePMP? Just askin'.
>
> On 6/7/2018 10:29 AM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:
>
> I would really like to get your opinions on this topicï¿½
would a 450 device
> like this help you in your network?
>
> ï¿½
>
> Nowï¿½s you chance to comment and help direct us!
>
> ï¿½
>
> Please fill out the short survey and add any other info
youï¿½d like.ï¿½
> Itï¿½s only 16 questions.
>
> ï¿½
>
> Matt
>
> ï¿½
>
> From: Af mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of Ray Savich
> Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 10:08 AM
> To: '[email protected] ' mailto:[email protected]>>
> Subject [AFMUG] Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey
>
> ï¿½
>
> Add your input to the Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey.
>
> https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/CambiumMicroPOP

>
> ï¿½
>
> ï¿½
>
> Join the Conversation
>
> Cambium Networks Community Forum
>
> ï¿½
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey

2018-06-08 Thread Mathew Howard

Yeah, "under the canopy" doesn't really happen around here, but getting
into the middle of the trees does work in some cases... if we can get a
point-to-point link working to one house in the middle of a subdivision,
you can often get LOS to several other houses and  nLOS will sometimes even
work with 5ghz at that kind of range.

On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 10:40 AM, Steve D  wrote:

> And in bands outside of 5GHz as well.  I don't think there is such a thing
> as "under the canopy" around here.  When you're in the trees, you're in the
> trees.
>
> 900 in a lite configuration would be ideal for us.
>
> -Steve D
>
> On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 7:05 AM Matt  wrote:
>
>> Why not just make a PMP450i lite connectorized AP?
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 8:19 AM, Matt Mangriotis
>>  wrote:
>> > Very good question George…
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I am trying to gauge interest.  Some folks would prefer that they are
>> using
>> > the same equipment throughout the network, and we don’t really have an
>> > option right now for a lower priced (shorter range) but high throughput
>> > extension of the network, but still a 450.  Same SMs, etc…
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Really wondering if many folks can’t complete a certain percentage of
>> > installs due to obstructions (foliage) using 5 GHz, but could utilize an
>> > “under the canopy” type of solution to light up a neighborhood.  Is
>> that a
>> > really common situation?  How common?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Any feedback is welcome, and I value your guys’ opinions (more than some
>> > others)…
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Matt
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: Af  On Behalf Of George Skorup
>> > Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 9:48 PM
>> > To: [email protected]
>> > Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Ok, I guess I have to be the one to say this. Why would we want a
>> 450-based
>> > micro-POP product when we have ePMP? Just askin'.
>> >
>> > On 6/7/2018 10:29 AM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:
>> >
>> > I would really like to get your opinions on this topicï¿½ would a 450
>> device
>> > like this help you in your network?
>> >
>> > ï¿½
>> >
>> > Nowï¿½s you chance to comment and help direct us!
>> >
>> > ï¿½
>> >
>> > Please fill out the short survey and add any other info youï¿½d like.ï¿½
>> > Itï¿½s only 16 questions.
>> >
>> > ï¿½
>> >
>> > Matt
>> >
>> > ï¿½
>> >
>> > From: Af  On Behalf Of Ray Savich
>> > Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 10:08 AM
>> > To: '[email protected]' 
>> > Subject [AFMUG] Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey
>> >
>> > ï¿½
>> >
>> > Add your input to the Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey.
>> >
>> > https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/CambiumMicroPOP
>> >
>> > ï¿½
>> >
>> > ï¿½
>> >
>> > Join the Conversation
>> >
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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey

2018-06-08 Thread Steve D

And in bands outside of 5GHz as well.  I don't think there is such a thing
as "under the canopy" around here.  When you're in the trees, you're in the
trees.

900 in a lite configuration would be ideal for us.

-Steve D

On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 7:05 AM Matt  wrote:

> Why not just make a PMP450i lite connectorized AP?
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 8:19 AM, Matt Mangriotis
>  wrote:
> > Very good question George…
> >
> >
> >
> > I am trying to gauge interest.  Some folks would prefer that they are
> using
> > the same equipment throughout the network, and we don’t really have an
> > option right now for a lower priced (shorter range) but high throughput
> > extension of the network, but still a 450.  Same SMs, etc…
> >
> >
> >
> > Really wondering if many folks can’t complete a certain percentage of
> > installs due to obstructions (foliage) using 5 GHz, but could utilize an
> > “under the canopy” type of solution to light up a neighborhood.  Is that
> a
> > really common situation?  How common?
> >
> >
> >
> > Any feedback is welcome, and I value your guys’ opinions (more than some
> > others)…
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Af  On Behalf Of George Skorup
> > Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 9:48 PM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey
> >
> >
> >
> > Ok, I guess I have to be the one to say this. Why would we want a
> 450-based
> > micro-POP product when we have ePMP? Just askin'.
> >
> > On 6/7/2018 10:29 AM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:
> >
> > I would really like to get your opinions on this topicï¿½ would a 450
> device
> > like this help you in your network?
> >
> > ï¿½
> >
> > Nowï¿½s you chance to comment and help direct us!
> >
> > ï¿½
> >
> > Please fill out the short survey and add any other info youï¿½d like.ï¿½
> > Itï¿½s only 16 questions.
> >
> > ï¿½
> >
> > Matt
> >
> > ï¿½
> >
> > From: Af  On Behalf Of Ray Savich
> > Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 10:08 AM
> > To: '[email protected]' 
> > Subject [AFMUG] Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey
> >
> > ï¿½
> >
> > Add your input to the Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey.
> >
> > https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/CambiumMicroPOP
> >
> > ï¿½
> >
> > ï¿½
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> > Join the Conversation
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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey

2018-06-08 Thread Matt

Why not just make a PMP450i lite connectorized AP?


On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 8:19 AM, Matt Mangriotis
 wrote:
> Very good question George…
>
>
>
> I am trying to gauge interest.  Some folks would prefer that they are using
> the same equipment throughout the network, and we don’t really have an
> option right now for a lower priced (shorter range) but high throughput
> extension of the network, but still a 450.  Same SMs, etc…
>
>
>
> Really wondering if many folks can’t complete a certain percentage of
> installs due to obstructions (foliage) using 5 GHz, but could utilize an
> “under the canopy” type of solution to light up a neighborhood.  Is that a
> really common situation?  How common?
>
>
>
> Any feedback is welcome, and I value your guys’ opinions (more than some
> others)…
>
>
>
> Matt
>
>
>
> From: Af  On Behalf Of George Skorup
> Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 9:48 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey
>
>
>
> Ok, I guess I have to be the one to say this. Why would we want a 450-based
> micro-POP product when we have ePMP? Just askin'.
>
> On 6/7/2018 10:29 AM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:
>
> I would really like to get your opinions on this topicï¿½ would a 450 device
> like this help you in your network?
>
> ï¿½
>
> Nowï¿½s you chance to comment and help direct us!
>
> ï¿½
>
> Please fill out the short survey and add any other info youï¿½d like.ï¿½
> Itï¿½s only 16 questions.
>
> ï¿½
>
> Matt
>
> ï¿½
>
> From: Af  On Behalf Of Ray Savich
> Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 10:08 AM
> To: '[email protected]' 
> Subject [AFMUG] Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey
>
> ï¿½
>
> Add your input to the Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey.
>
> https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/CambiumMicroPOP
>
> ï¿½
>
> ï¿½
>
> Join the Conversation
>
> Cambium Networks Community Forum
>
> ï¿½
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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey

2018-06-08 Thread Mathew Howard

Yes, it is very common to not able to complete an install with 5ghz because
of foliage, and we have done exactly that in several areas (using ePMP, in
our case).

On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 8:19 AM, Matt Mangriotis <
[email protected]> wrote:

> Very good question George…
>
>
>
> I am trying to gauge interest.  Some folks would prefer that they are
> using the same equipment throughout the network, and we don’t really have
> an option right now for a lower priced (shorter range) but high throughput
> extension of the network, but still a 450.  Same SMs, etc…
>
>
>
> Really wondering if many folks can’t complete a certain percentage of
> installs due to obstructions (foliage) using 5 GHz, but could utilize an
> “under the canopy” type of solution to light up a neighborhood.  Is that a
> really common situation?  How common?
>
>
>
> Any feedback is welcome, and I value your guys’ opinions (more than some
> others)…
>
>
>
> Matt
>
>
>
> *From:* Af  *On Behalf Of *George Skorup
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 7, 2018 9:48 PM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey
>
>
>
> Ok, I guess I have to be the one to say this. Why would we want a
> 450-based micro-POP product when we have ePMP? Just askin'.
>
> On 6/7/2018 10:29 AM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:
>
> I would really like to get your opinions on this topicï¿½ would a 450
> device like this help you in your network?
>
> ï¿½
>
> Nowï¿½s you chance to comment and help direct us!
>
> ï¿½
>
> Please fill out the short survey and add any other info youï¿½d like.ï¿½
> Itï¿½s only 16 questions.
>
> ï¿½
>
> Matt
>
> ï¿½
>
> *From:* Af   *On Behalf Of *Ray
> Savich
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 7, 2018 10:08 AM
> *To:* '[email protected]'  
> *Subject* [AFMUG] Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey
>
> ï¿½
>
> Add your input to the Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey.
>
> https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/CambiumMicroPOP
> 
>
> ï¿½
>
> ï¿½
>
> Join the Conversation
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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey

2018-06-08 Thread Matt Mangriotis

Very good question George...

I am trying to gauge interest.  Some folks would prefer that they are using the 
same equipment throughout the network, and we don't really have an option right 
now for a lower priced (shorter range) but high throughput extension of the 
network, but still a 450.  Same SMs, etc...

Really wondering if many folks can't complete a certain percentage of installs 
due to obstructions (foliage) using 5 GHz, but could utilize an "under the 
canopy" type of solution to light up a neighborhood.  Is that a really common 
situation?  How common?

Any feedback is welcome, and I value your guys' opinions (more than some 
others)...

Matt

From: Af  On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 9:48 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey

Ok, I guess I have to be the one to say this. Why would we want a 450-based 
micro-POP product when we have ePMP? Just askin'.
On 6/7/2018 10:29 AM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:
I would really like to get your opinions on this topicï¿½ would a 450 device 
like this help you in your network?
ï¿½
Nowï¿½s you chance to comment and help direct us!
ï¿½
Please fill out the short survey and add any other info youï¿½d like.ï¿½ Itï¿½s 
only 16 questions.
ï¿½
Matt
ï¿½
From: Af  On Behalf Of Ray 
Savich
Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 10:08 AM
To: '[email protected]' 
Subject [AFMUG] Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey
ï¿½
Add your input to the Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey.
https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/CambiumMicroPOP
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