Re: [AFMUG] Any Licensed MW gear doing Channel Aggregation?

[Erich Kaiser]

I believe Alphoplus2 does that as well, nice thing about aggregating with
ags20 is you can use it with different frequency radio heads(Obviously it
would require seperate dishes on each end).


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 8:45 AM, Daniel White <afmu...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Actually the Ceragon IP-20C/820C supports this at the modem level.  30MHz
> channel on one core and 40MHz on the other.
>
>
>
> I don’t know if SIAE does.
>
>
>
> Daniel White
>
> Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales
>
> ConVergence Technologies
>
> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>
> dwh...@converge-tech.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric Kuhnke
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 21, 2016 1:04 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Any Licensed MW gear doing Channel Aggregation?
>
>
>
> You can't "bond" two things that are totally different radios and speeds,
> what you can do is establish router traffic across each link between IP
> interfaces and balance the traffic load equally.
>
> The only things that can be actually bonded, using vendor specific
> proprietary magic, are where you have two identical radio paths with
> exactly the same speed/FEC/configuration, and the vendor supports it (such
> as an 80 GHz link between two 60cm dishes, two orthomode transducers, four
> radio units, and both H and V polarities).
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 10:59 AM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net>
> wrote:
>
> We were looking at bonding a Mimosa B11 and Mimosa B5 to start.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 21, 2016 9:27 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm <af@afmug.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Any Licensed MW gear doing Channel Aggregation?
>
>
>
> I was thinking on channel aggregation on the RF level, where a MW radio
> could tx on 2 licenses ...
>
>
>
> not counting mimosa b11 as it a hdx radio and throughtput is lost there
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net>
> wrote:
>
> We were looking at this exact problem.  My starting point is Peplink but
> the costs are very, very high.  The problem is not only dissimilar speeds
> but the fact the links might changes speeds for interference issues, etc…
> Peplink was the only thing that I’ve seen can handle that environment.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 21, 2016 8:45 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Any Licensed MW gear doing Channel Aggregation?
>
>
>
> I got  paths were we have several licenses for 30 mhz  and 40 mhz
> channels, any gear supports channel aggregation?
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Any Licensed MW gear doing Channel Aggregation?

[Daniel White]

Actually the Ceragon IP-20C/820C supports this at the modem level.  30MHz 
channel on one core and 40MHz on the other.



I don’t know if SIAE does.



Daniel White

Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

 <mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com> dwh...@converge-tech.com



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 1:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any Licensed MW gear doing Channel Aggregation?



You can't "bond" two things that are totally different radios and speeds, what 
you can do is establish router traffic across each link between IP interfaces 
and balance the traffic load equally.

The only things that can be actually bonded, using vendor specific proprietary 
magic, are where you have two identical radio paths with exactly the same 
speed/FEC/configuration, and the vendor supports it (such as an 80 GHz link 
between two 60cm dishes, two orthomode transducers, four radio units, and both 
H and V polarities).



On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 10:59 AM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net 
<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net> > wrote:

We were looking at bonding a Mimosa B11 and Mimosa B5 to start.



Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf 
Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 9:27 AM
To: Animal Farm <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any Licensed MW gear doing Channel Aggregation?



I was thinking on channel aggregation on the RF level, where a MW radio could 
tx on 2 licenses ...



not counting mimosa b11 as it a hdx radio and throughtput is lost there



On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net 
<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net> > wrote:

We were looking at this exact problem.  My starting point is Peplink but the 
costs are very, very high.  The problem is not only dissimilar speeds but the 
fact the links might changes speeds for interference issues, etc…  Peplink was 
the only thing that I’ve seen can handle that environment.



Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf 
Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 8:45 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] Any Licensed MW gear doing Channel Aggregation?



I got  paths were we have several licenses for 30 mhz  and 40 mhz channels, any 
gear supports channel aggregation?







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Re: [AFMUG] Any Licensed MW gear doing Channel Aggregation?

[Trey Scarborough]

If you are wanting to do a same polarization on a 30 and 40mhz channel 
Only one I can think of that does this in one radio is SIAE at the 
moment. They have a co-polar diplex unit internal. You could do it as 
well with a ceragon possibly and an external diplexer.


On 9/21/2016 1:36 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:

what if you did SAF integra radios in a 2+0 config, one radio on your
30Mhz channel and the other on the 40Mhz channel and then used their 2+0
aggregation (in reality it's an internal switch that does LAG).

i don't think anyone has a 1 radio head unit that can aggregate, and i'm
not sure how you'd license it with the FCC.  with the 2+0 the licensing
is clean, you are just combining them at layer 2 and 3.

-sean



On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 9:44 AM, Gino Villarini > wrote:

I got  paths were we have several licenses for 30 mhz  and 40 mhz
channels, any gear supports channel aggregation?

Re: [AFMUG] Any Licensed MW gear doing Channel Aggregation?

[Eric Kuhnke]

There are lots of radio head units that aggregate internally, it's just
opaque to you as the ISP/network operator end user...  an Exalt
ExtremeAir18 1 Gbps FDD link is two polarities simultaneously between two
radio units, you are presented with a single gigE interface on each end.


On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 11:36 AM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> what if you did SAF integra radios in a 2+0 config, one radio on your
> 30Mhz channel and the other on the 40Mhz channel and then used their 2+0
> aggregation (in reality it's an internal switch that does LAG).
>
> i don't think anyone has a 1 radio head unit that can aggregate, and i'm
> not sure how you'd license it with the FCC.  with the 2+0 the licensing is
> clean, you are just combining them at layer 2 and 3.
>
> -sean
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 9:44 AM, Gino Villarini 
> wrote:
>
>> I got  paths were we have several licenses for 30 mhz  and 40 mhz
>> channels, any gear supports channel aggregation?
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Any Licensed MW gear doing Channel Aggregation?

[Sean Heskett]

what if you did SAF integra radios in a 2+0 config, one radio on your 30Mhz
channel and the other on the 40Mhz channel and then used their 2+0
aggregation (in reality it's an internal switch that does LAG).

i don't think anyone has a 1 radio head unit that can aggregate, and i'm
not sure how you'd license it with the FCC.  with the 2+0 the licensing is
clean, you are just combining them at layer 2 and 3.

-sean



On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 9:44 AM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

> I got  paths were we have several licenses for 30 mhz  and 40 mhz
> channels, any gear supports channel aggregation?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Any Licensed MW gear doing Channel Aggregation?

[Erich Kaiser]

You can aggregate layer 1 radio level with SIAE AGS20, it will be multiple
radio heads, but one AGS20 supports up to 4 heads.  Contact Ken, tell him I
sent you.

Kenneth Monro
Director of Sales
kenneth.mo...@siaemic.com
936 647 7399


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 10:44 AM, Gino Villarini 
wrote:

> I got  paths were we have several licenses for 30 mhz  and 40 mhz
> channels, any gear supports channel aggregation?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Any Licensed MW gear doing Channel Aggregation?

[Rory Conaway]

Not sure of your definition of bonded but if you are doing VPN tunnels, the 
Peplink’s will do exactly that over dissimilar circuits.  Even speed tests will 
show aggregate speeds and that’s without VPN’s.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 11:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any Licensed MW gear doing Channel Aggregation?

You can't "bond" two things that are totally different radios and speeds, what 
you can do is establish router traffic across each link between IP interfaces 
and balance the traffic load equally.
The only things that can be actually bonded, using vendor specific proprietary 
magic, are where you have two identical radio paths with exactly the same 
speed/FEC/configuration, and the vendor supports it (such as an 80 GHz link 
between two 60cm dishes, two orthomode transducers, four radio units, and both 
H and V polarities).

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 10:59 AM, Rory Conaway 
<r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
We were looking at bonding a Mimosa B11 and Mimosa B5 to start.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 9:27 AM
To: Animal Farm <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any Licensed MW gear doing Channel Aggregation?

I was thinking on channel aggregation on the RF level, where a MW radio could 
tx on 2 licenses ...

not counting mimosa b11 as it a hdx radio and throughtput is lost there

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Rory Conaway 
<r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
We were looking at this exact problem.  My starting point is Peplink but the 
costs are very, very high.  The problem is not only dissimilar speeds but the 
fact the links might changes speeds for interference issues, etc…  Peplink was 
the only thing that I’ve seen can handle that environment.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 8:45 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] Any Licensed MW gear doing Channel Aggregation?


I got  paths were we have several licenses for 30 mhz  and 40 mhz channels, any 
gear supports channel aggregation?

Re: [AFMUG] Any Licensed MW gear doing Channel Aggregation?

[Eric Kuhnke]

You can't "bond" two things that are totally different radios and speeds,
what you can do is establish router traffic across each link between IP
interfaces and balance the traffic load equally.

The only things that can be actually bonded, using vendor specific
proprietary magic, are where you have two identical radio paths with
exactly the same speed/FEC/configuration, and the vendor supports it (such
as an 80 GHz link between two 60cm dishes, two orthomode transducers, four
radio units, and both H and V polarities).

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 10:59 AM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net>
wrote:

> We were looking at bonding a Mimosa B11 and Mimosa B5 to start.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 21, 2016 9:27 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm <af@afmug.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Any Licensed MW gear doing Channel Aggregation?
>
>
>
> I was thinking on channel aggregation on the RF level, where a MW radio
> could tx on 2 licenses ...
>
>
>
> not counting mimosa b11 as it a hdx radio and throughtput is lost there
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net>
> wrote:
>
> We were looking at this exact problem.  My starting point is Peplink but
> the costs are very, very high.  The problem is not only dissimilar speeds
> but the fact the links might changes speeds for interference issues, etc…
> Peplink was the only thing that I’ve seen can handle that environment.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 21, 2016 8:45 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Any Licensed MW gear doing Channel Aggregation?
>
>
>
> I got  paths were we have several licenses for 30 mhz  and 40 mhz
> channels, any gear supports channel aggregation?
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Any Licensed MW gear doing Channel Aggregation?

[Eric Kuhnke]

Do you need single TCP/IP streams that exceed 200-300 Mbps?  This would
ordinarily be much more easily accomplished (and without vendor-specific
proprietary microwave aggregation weirdness) using a router on each end,
and in an example with two parallel separate microwave links, two separate
OSPF router-to-router links (using 2 interfaces on each side) at equal OSPF
cost.


On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 8:44 AM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

> I got  paths were we have several licenses for 30 mhz  and 40 mhz
> channels, any gear supports channel aggregation?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Any Licensed MW gear doing Channel Aggregation?

[Rory Conaway]

We were looking at bonding a Mimosa B11 and Mimosa B5 to start.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 9:27 AM
To: Animal Farm <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any Licensed MW gear doing Channel Aggregation?

I was thinking on channel aggregation on the RF level, where a MW radio could 
tx on 2 licenses ...

not counting mimosa b11 as it a hdx radio and throughtput is lost there

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Rory Conaway 
<r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
We were looking at this exact problem.  My starting point is Peplink but the 
costs are very, very high.  The problem is not only dissimilar speeds but the 
fact the links might changes speeds for interference issues, etc…  Peplink was 
the only thing that I’ve seen can handle that environment.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 8:45 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] Any Licensed MW gear doing Channel Aggregation?


I got  paths were we have several licenses for 30 mhz  and 40 mhz channels, any 
gear supports channel aggregation?

Re: [AFMUG] Any Licensed MW gear doing Channel Aggregation?

[Mike Hammett]

We have a hard enough time getting vendors to put on ports big enough to handle 
one channel's worth of capacity and now you're wanting to stuff more than one? 
:-p 

I would like to see this too. Help take advantage of scattered spectrum 
resources. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Gino Villarini"  
To: "Animal Farm"  
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 10:44:51 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Any Licensed MW gear doing Channel Aggregation? 



I got paths were we have several licenses for 30 mhz and 40 mhz channels, any 
gear supports channel aggregation? 

Re: [AFMUG] Any Licensed MW gear doing Channel Aggregation?

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I think it was dragonwave that did, id have to find my notes

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Rory Conaway 
wrote:

> We were looking at this exact problem.  My starting point is Peplink but
> the costs are very, very high.  The problem is not only dissimilar speeds
> but the fact the links might changes speeds for interference issues, etc…
> Peplink was the only thing that I’ve seen can handle that environment.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 21, 2016 8:45 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Any Licensed MW gear doing Channel Aggregation?
>
>
>
> I got  paths were we have several licenses for 30 mhz  and 40 mhz
> channels, any gear supports channel aggregation?
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Any Licensed MW gear doing Channel Aggregation?

[Gino Villarini]

I was thinking on channel aggregation on the RF level, where a MW radio
could tx on 2 licenses ...

not counting mimosa b11 as it a hdx radio and throughtput is lost there

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Rory Conaway 
wrote:

> We were looking at this exact problem.  My starting point is Peplink but
> the costs are very, very high.  The problem is not only dissimilar speeds
> but the fact the links might changes speeds for interference issues, etc…
> Peplink was the only thing that I’ve seen can handle that environment.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 21, 2016 8:45 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Any Licensed MW gear doing Channel Aggregation?
>
>
>
> I got  paths were we have several licenses for 30 mhz  and 40 mhz
> channels, any gear supports channel aggregation?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Any Licensed MW gear doing Channel Aggregation?

[Rory Conaway]

We were looking at this exact problem.  My starting point is Peplink but the 
costs are very, very high.  The problem is not only dissimilar speeds but the 
fact the links might changes speeds for interference issues, etc…  Peplink was 
the only thing that I’ve seen can handle that environment.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 8:45 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] Any Licensed MW gear doing Channel Aggregation?


I got  paths were we have several licenses for 30 mhz  and 40 mhz channels, any 
gear supports channel aggregation?