Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

2018-06-01 Thread Rory Conaway 
The B24 also uses a lot less power and is smaller/lighter.

Rory

From: Af  On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Friday, June 1, 2018 3:22 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

The B24 is solid up to about 1.5 miles in dry weather.  Past that, it’s going 
to be affected more by the weather than the AF24 but it also starts off with a 
higher throughput rate.  Will be interesting to see how that pans out in the 
real world.

Rory

From: Af mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of Mike 
Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 6:00 PM
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

The AF is much larger and thus  has much more gain.


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From: "Josh Baird" mailto:[email protected]>>
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 6:30:31 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

What makes it not a replacement for the AF24?

On May 30, 2018, at 7:14 PM, Gino A. Villarini 
mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
We have several links installed, so far so good… not really a af24 replacement, 
but… works for the application

From: Af mailto:[email protected]>> on behalf of Sam 
Lambie mailto:[email protected]>>
Reply-To: "[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>" 
mailto:[email protected]>>
Date: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 at 2:29 PM
To: "[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>" mailto:[email protected]>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

Hey all,

Has anyone deployed these guys yet? If so, what do you think?
I am needing a smaller form factor like this for a particular site and these 
fit the bill nicely. And the 50% cost reduction over ubnt af24 is sweet too.

Thanks

--
--
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Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com<http://www.newmex.com>



Gino A. Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

2018-06-01 Thread Rory Conaway 
The B24 is solid up to about 1.5 miles in dry weather.  Past that, it’s going 
to be affected more by the weather than the AF24 but it also starts off with a 
higher throughput rate.  Will be interesting to see how that pans out in the 
real world.

Rory

From: Af  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 6:00 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

The AF is much larger and thus  has much more gain.


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From: "Josh Baird" mailto:[email protected]>>
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 6:30:31 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

What makes it not a replacement for the AF24?

On May 30, 2018, at 7:14 PM, Gino A. Villarini 
mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
We have several links installed, so far so good… not really a af24 replacement, 
but… works for the application

From: Af mailto:[email protected]>> on behalf of Sam 
Lambie mailto:[email protected]>>
Reply-To: "[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>" 
mailto:[email protected]>>
Date: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 at 2:29 PM
To: "[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>" mailto:[email protected]>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

Hey all,

Has anyone deployed these guys yet? If so, what do you think?
I am needing a smaller form factor like this for a particular site and these 
fit the bill nicely. And the 50% cost reduction over ubnt af24 is sweet too.

Thanks

--
--
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com<http://www.newmex.com>



Gino A. Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

2018-06-01 Thread Joe Novak 
I went to go look at the block diagram and they have it locked down sadly.
Someone should open it up and see what magic they ended up coming up with.
It seems like the Baseband/MAC layer can be separated from the "radio"
portion of the QSR1000 chipset, which does make it a different ballgame
like Fasial mentioned, but I would really like to know if this is really
the case.

Reference:

http://www.quantenna.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/QV940-V1.5.pdf

(there is several more products in the family -
http://www.quantenna.com/products/QSR1000/)


Here is a internal shot of the B11, but the pictures are not detailed
enough to actually see the numbers on what would be the 'radio' portion.

https://fccid.io/2ABZJ-100-00036/Internal-Photos/Internal-Photos-2829434



On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 10:48 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Tell Ubnt that in 3ghz
>
> On Thu, May 31, 2018, 5:43 PM Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:
>
>> >>FWIW: I haven't heard any issues with Mimosa's frequency conversions.
>>
>> and that is because they are not !
>>
>> contrary to popular thinking .. using an underlying protocol chip-set is
>> equal to freq conversation...
>>
>>
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>>
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected]
>>
>> ------
>>
>> *From: *"Mike Hammett" 
>> *To: *[email protected]
>> *Sent: *Thursday, May 31, 2018 2:52:20 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?
>>
>> FWIW: I haven't heard any issues with Mimosa's frequency conversions.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
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>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
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>> --
>> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
>> *To: *[email protected]
>> *Sent: *Thursday, May 31, 2018 10:47:19 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?
>>
>> for the love of god, stop upconverting things
>>
>> On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 10:43 AM, Eric Kuhnke 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I would add on the "NOT" section, item #6:
>>>
>>> You need it to pass an RFC2544 or Y.1731 ethernet frame test at anything
>>> near line rate.
>>>
>>> It's based on an upconverted 802.11ac Quantenna chipset, the TDD nature
>>> of the radio means that it won't pass bidirectional simultaneous traffic
>>> tests which require an FDD radio.
>>>
>>> For the record an AF24 will also not pass an RFC2544 test due to the 160
>>> byte fragmentation issue with how it frames things. Not even at 500 Mbps x
>>> 500 Mbps on a perfect, -56 signal 770x770 RF link.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 8:49 PM, Faisal Imtiaz >> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> B24 is an excellent radio for the following situation:-
>>>>   1) Short links (lets just say under 1.5 miles give or take).
>>>>   2) need small size radio
>>>>   3) need low power consumption
>>>>   4) need to stack a few in different directions on the same mast.
>>>>   5) need a fat pipe, which is not available from 5ghz due to freq /
>>>> interference issues. (up to 1.5G Aggregate)
>>>>   6) It is designed for Building Hopping as well as Video Networks
>>>>   7) it will be interesting to see if they go thru with their initial
>>>> intent to convert this into a B23 (23Ghz licensed radio).
>>>>
>>>> B24 is NOT for situations where  !
>>>>1) You need long links (lets just say over 1.5miles).
>>>>3) You have symmetric traffic  (i.e duplex )
>>>>4) You need a larger Radio  a
>>>>5) You need a 700meg or 1G duplex
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> Faisal Imtiaz

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

2018-05-31 Thread Steve Jones 
Tell Ubnt that in 3ghz

On Thu, May 31, 2018, 5:43 PM Faisal Imtiaz 
wrote:

> >>FWIW: I haven't heard any issues with Mimosa's frequency conversions.
>
> and that is because they are not !
>
> contrary to popular thinking .. using an underlying protocol chip-set is
> equal to freq conversation...
>
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected]
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Mike Hammett" 
> *To: *[email protected]
> *Sent: *Thursday, May 31, 2018 2:52:20 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?
>
> FWIW: I haven't heard any issues with Mimosa's frequency conversions.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
> *To: *[email protected]
> *Sent: *Thursday, May 31, 2018 10:47:19 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?
>
> for the love of god, stop upconverting things
>
> On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 10:43 AM, Eric Kuhnke 
> wrote:
>
>> I would add on the "NOT" section, item #6:
>>
>> You need it to pass an RFC2544 or Y.1731 ethernet frame test at anything
>> near line rate.
>>
>> It's based on an upconverted 802.11ac Quantenna chipset, the TDD nature
>> of the radio means that it won't pass bidirectional simultaneous traffic
>> tests which require an FDD radio.
>>
>> For the record an AF24 will also not pass an RFC2544 test due to the 160
>> byte fragmentation issue with how it frames things. Not even at 500 Mbps x
>> 500 Mbps on a perfect, -56 signal 770x770 RF link.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 8:49 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> B24 is an excellent radio for the following situation:-
>>>   1) Short links (lets just say under 1.5 miles give or take).
>>>   2) need small size radio
>>>   3) need low power consumption
>>>   4) need to stack a few in different directions on the same mast.
>>>   5) need a fat pipe, which is not available from 5ghz due to freq /
>>> interference issues. (up to 1.5G Aggregate)
>>>   6) It is designed for Building Hopping as well as Video Networks
>>>   7) it will be interesting to see if they go thru with their initial
>>> intent to convert this into a B23 (23Ghz licensed radio).
>>>
>>> B24 is NOT for situations where  !
>>>1) You need long links (lets just say over 1.5miles).
>>>3) You have symmetric traffic  (i.e duplex )
>>>4) You need a larger Radio  a
>>>5) You need a 700meg or 1G duplex
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518  x 232
>>>
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518  Option 2 or Email:
>>> [email protected]
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
>>> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 30, 2018 9:14:54 PM
>>>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?
>>>
>>> I am in El Paso...real men don't need water
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 30, 2018, 7:07 PM Adair Winter 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Unless you live in a very dry are I think 2 miles is pushing it. In
>>>> rane zone E (yes I know) we don't expect any sort of reliability past 1-1.5
>>>> miles.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 8:04 PM Jaime Solorza <
>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Range for Mimosa is 2 miles?  Small footprint, lower price...I see it
>>>>> ha

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

2018-05-31 Thread Faisal Imtiaz 
>>FWIW: I haven't heard any issues with Mimosa's frequency conversions. 

and that is because they are not ! 

contrary to popular thinking .. using an underlying protocol chip-set is equal 
to freq conversation... 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
http://www.snappytelecom.net 

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] 

> From: "Mike Hammett" 
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 2:52:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

> FWIW: I haven't heard any issues with Mimosa's frequency conversions.

> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions

> Midwest Internet Exchange

> The Brothers WISP

> From: "Steve Jones" < [email protected] >
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Thursday, May 31 , 2018 10:47:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

> for the love of god, stop upconverting things

> On Thu, May 31 , 2018 at 10:43 AM, Eric Kuhnke < [email protected] > 
> wrote:

>> I would add on the "NOT" section, item #6:

>> You need it to pass an RFC2544 or Y.1731 ethernet frame test at anything near
>> line rate.

>> It's based on an upconverted 802.11ac Quantenna chipset, the TDD nature of 
>> the
>> radio means that it won't pass bidirectional simultaneous traffic tests which
>> require an FDD radio.

>> For the record an AF24 will also not pass an RFC2544 test due to the 160 byte
>> fragmentation issue with how it frames things. Not even at 500 Mbps x 500 
>> Mbps
>> on a perfect, -56 signal 770x770 RF link.

>> On Wed, May 30 , 2018 at 8:49 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < [email protected] >
>> wrote:

>>> B24 is an excellent radio for the following situation:-
>>> 1) Short links (lets just say under 1.5 miles give or take).
>>> 2) need small size radio
>>> 3) need low power consumption
>>> 4) need to stack a few in different directions on the same mast.
>>> 5) need a fat pipe, which is not available from 5ghz due to freq / 
>>> interference
>>> issues. (up to 1.5G Aggregate)
>>> 6) It is designed for Building Hopping as well as Video Networks
>>> 7) it will be interesting to see if they go thru with their initial intent 
>>> to
>>> convert this into a B23 (23Ghz licensed radio).

>>> B24 is NOT for situations where !
>>> 1) You need long links (lets just say over 1.5miles).
>>> 3) You have symmetric traffic (i.e duplex )
>>> 4) You need a larger Radio a
>>> 5) You need a 700meg or 1G duplex

>>> Regards

>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> http://www.snappytelecom.net

>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected]

>>>> From: "Jaime Solorza" < [email protected] >
>>>> To: "Animal Farm" < [email protected] >
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 30 , 2018 9:14:54 PM

>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

>>>> I am in El Paso...real men don't need water

>>>> Jaime Solorza

>>>> On Wed, May 30 , 2018, 7:07 PM Adair Winter < [email protected] >
>>>> wrote:

>>>>> Unless you live in a very dry are I think 2 miles is pushing it. In rane 
>>>>> zone E
>>>>> (yes I know) we don't expect any sort of reliability past 1-1.5 miles.

>>>>> On Wed, May 30 , 2018 at 8:04 PM Jaime Solorza < 
>>>>> [email protected] >
>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>> Range for Mimosa is 2 miles? Small footprint, lower price...I see it has 
>>>>>> place
>>>>>> in downtown or campus application... another tool for us..

>>>>>> Jaime Solorza

>>>>>> On Wed, May 30 , 2018, 6:59 PM Mike Hammett < [email protected] > wrote:

>>>>>>> The AF is much larger and thus has much more gain.

>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions

>>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange

>>>>>>> The Brothers WISP

>>>>>>> From: "Josh Baird" < [email protected] >
>>>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 30 , 2018 6:30:31 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

>>>>>>> What makes it not a re

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

2018-05-31 Thread Mike Hammett 
FWIW: I haven't heard any issues with Mimosa's frequency conversions. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Steve Jones"  
To: [email protected] 
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 10:47:19 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts? 


for the love of god, stop upconverting things 


On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 10:43 AM, Eric Kuhnke < [email protected] > wrote: 




I would add on the "NOT" section, item #6: 


You need it to pass an RFC2544 or Y.1731 ethernet frame test at anything near 
line rate. 



It's based on an upconverted 802.11ac Quantenna chipset, the TDD nature of the 
radio means that it won't pass bidirectional simultaneous traffic tests which 
require an FDD radio. 


For the record an AF24 will also not pass an RFC2544 test due to the 160 byte 
fragmentation issue with how it frames things. Not even at 500 Mbps x 500 Mbps 
on a perfect, -56 signal 770x770 RF link. 






On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 8:49 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < [email protected] > 
wrote: 





B24 is an excellent radio for the following situation:- 

1) Short links (lets just say under 1.5 miles give or take). 

2) need small size radio 

3) need low power consumption 

4) need to stack a few in different directions on the same mast. 

5) need a fat pipe, which is not available from 5ghz due to freq / interference 
issues. (up to 1.5G Aggregate) 

6) It is designed for Building Hopping as well as Video Networks 

7) it will be interesting to see if they go thru with their initial intent to 
convert this into a B23 (23Ghz licensed radio). 



B24 is NOT for situations where ! 

1) You need long links (lets just say over 1.5miles). 

3) You have symmetric traffic (i.e duplex ) 

4) You need a larger Radio :) 

5) You need a 700meg or 1G duplex 



Regards 



Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
http://www.snappytelecom.net 

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] 





From: "Jaime Solorza" < [email protected] > 
To: "Animal Farm" < [email protected] > 
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 9:14:54 PM 


Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts? 








I am in El Paso...real men don't need water 


Jaime Solorza 


On Wed, May 30, 2018, 7:07 PM Adair Winter < [email protected] > 
wrote: 





Unless you live in a very dry are I think 2 miles is pushing it. In rane zone E 
(yes I know) we don't expect any sort of reliability past 1-1.5 miles. 


On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 8:04 PM Jaime Solorza < [email protected] > 
wrote: 



Range for Mimosa is 2 miles? Small footprint, lower price...I see it has place 
in downtown or campus application... another tool for us.. 


Jaime Solorza 


On Wed, May 30, 2018, 6:59 PM Mike Hammett < [email protected] > wrote: 




The AF is much larger and thus has much more gain. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Josh Baird" < [email protected] > 
To: [email protected] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 6:30:31 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts? 

What makes it not a replacement for the AF24? 


On May 30, 2018, at 7:14 PM, Gino A. Villarini < [email protected] > wrote: 





We have several links installed, so far so good… not really a af24 replacement, 
but… works for the application 


From: Af < [email protected] > on behalf of Sam Lambie < 
[email protected] > 
Reply-To: " [email protected] " < [email protected] > 
Date: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 at 2:29 PM 
To: " [email protected] " < [email protected] > 
Subject: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts? 





Hey all, 


Has anyone deployed these guys yet? If so, what do you think? 
I am needing a smaller form factor like this for a particular site and these 
fit the bill nicely. And the 50% cost reduction over ubnt af24 is sweet too. 


Thanks 


-- 

-- 
Sam Lambie 
Taosnet Wireless Tech. 
575-758-7598 Office 
www.Taosnet.com 




Gino A. Villarini 
President 
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 


 








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VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner 
Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 
C: 806.231.7180 
http://www.amarillowireless.net

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

2018-05-31 Thread Eric Kuhnke 
That is true, but it is also a good stress test to see if an FDD radio is
actually a true transparent bridge or not, which outputs Ethernet frames
unmolested and down the fiber on the other end in the same order they were
received. The FDD Siklu or Bridgewave 80 GHz radios will pass it just fine.

In fact an AF24 will not pass an RFC2544 test at 200 Mbps full duplex, even
when linked at a perfect 770x770 in the GUI.

On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 10:56 AM, Harold Bledsoe 
wrote:

> But to be fair, RFC2544 is a good test for wires but not so great for
> wireless and especially not developed with anything half duplex in mind.
>
>
> On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 10:43 AM Eric Kuhnke 
> wrote:
>
>> I would add on the "NOT" section, item #6:
>>
>> You need it to pass an RFC2544 or Y.1731 ethernet frame test at anything
>> near line rate.
>>
>> It's based on an upconverted 802.11ac Quantenna chipset, the TDD nature
>> of the radio means that it won't pass bidirectional simultaneous traffic
>> tests which require an FDD radio.
>>
>> For the record an AF24 will also not pass an RFC2544 test due to the 160
>> byte fragmentation issue with how it frames things. Not even at 500 Mbps x
>> 500 Mbps on a perfect, -56 signal 770x770 RF link.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 8:49 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> B24 is an excellent radio for the following situation:-
>>>   1) Short links (lets just say under 1.5 miles give or take).
>>>   2) need small size radio
>>>   3) need low power consumption
>>>   4) need to stack a few in different directions on the same mast.
>>>   5) need a fat pipe, which is not available from 5ghz due to freq /
>>> interference issues. (up to 1.5G Aggregate)
>>>   6) It is designed for Building Hopping as well as Video Networks
>>>   7) it will be interesting to see if they go thru with their initial
>>> intent to convert this into a B23 (23Ghz licensed radio).
>>>
>>> B24 is NOT for situations where  !
>>>1) You need long links (lets just say over 1.5miles).
>>>3) You have symmetric traffic  (i.e duplex )
>>>4) You need a larger Radio  :)
>>>5) You need a 700meg or 1G duplex
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>>>
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
>>> [email protected]
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
>>> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 30, 2018 9:14:54 PM
>>>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?
>>>
>>> I am in El Paso...real men don't need water
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 30, 2018, 7:07 PM Adair Winter 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Unless you live in a very dry are I think 2 miles is pushing it. In
>>>> rane zone E (yes I know) we don't expect any sort of reliability past 1-1.5
>>>> miles.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 8:04 PM Jaime Solorza <
>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Range for Mimosa is 2 miles?  Small footprint, lower price...I see it
>>>>> has place in downtown or campus application... another tool for us..
>>>>>
>>>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, May 30, 2018, 6:59 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The AF is much larger and thus  has much more gain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----
>>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>>>> The Br

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

2018-05-31 Thread Harold Bledsoe 
But to be fair, RFC2544 is a good test for wires but not so great for
wireless and especially not developed with anything half duplex in mind.

On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 10:43 AM Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

> I would add on the "NOT" section, item #6:
>
> You need it to pass an RFC2544 or Y.1731 ethernet frame test at anything
> near line rate.
>
> It's based on an upconverted 802.11ac Quantenna chipset, the TDD nature of
> the radio means that it won't pass bidirectional simultaneous traffic tests
> which require an FDD radio.
>
> For the record an AF24 will also not pass an RFC2544 test due to the 160
> byte fragmentation issue with how it frames things. Not even at 500 Mbps x
> 500 Mbps on a perfect, -56 signal 770x770 RF link.
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 8:49 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:
>
>> B24 is an excellent radio for the following situation:-
>>   1) Short links (lets just say under 1.5 miles give or take).
>>   2) need small size radio
>>   3) need low power consumption
>>   4) need to stack a few in different directions on the same mast.
>>   5) need a fat pipe, which is not available from 5ghz due to freq /
>> interference issues. (up to 1.5G Aggregate)
>>   6) It is designed for Building Hopping as well as Video Networks
>>   7) it will be interesting to see if they go thru with their initial
>> intent to convert this into a B23 (23Ghz licensed radio).
>>
>> B24 is NOT for situations where  !
>>1) You need long links (lets just say over 1.5miles).
>>3) You have symmetric traffic  (i.e duplex )
>>4) You need a larger Radio  :)
>>5) You need a 700meg or 1G duplex
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>>
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
>> [email protected]
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
>> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 30, 2018 9:14:54 PM
>>
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?
>>
>> I am in El Paso...real men don't need water
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Wed, May 30, 2018, 7:07 PM Adair Winter 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Unless you live in a very dry are I think 2 miles is pushing it. In rane
>>> zone E (yes I know) we don't expect any sort of reliability past 1-1.5
>>> miles.
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 8:04 PM Jaime Solorza 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Range for Mimosa is 2 miles?  Small footprint, lower price...I see it
>>>> has place in downtown or campus application... another tool for us..
>>>>
>>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 30, 2018, 6:59 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The AF is much larger and thus  has much more gain.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -
>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *From: *"Josh Baird" 
>>>>> *To: *[email protected]
>>>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 30, 2018 6:30:31 PM
>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?
>>>>>
>>>>> What makes it not a replacement for the AF24?
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 30, 2018, at 7:14 PM, Gino A. Villarini 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> We have several links installed, so far so good… not really a af24
>>>>> replacement, but… works for the application
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Af  on behalf of Sam Lambie <
>>>>> [email protected]>
>>>>> Reply-To: "[email protected]" 
>>>>> Date: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 at 2:29 PM
>>>>> To: "[email protected]" 
>>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Has anyone deployed these guys yet? If so, what do you think?
>>>>> I am needing a smaller form factor like this for a particular site and
>>>>> these fit the bill nicely. And the 50% cost reduction over ubnt af24 is
>>>>> sweet too.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> --
>>>>> *Sam Lambie*
>>>>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>>>>> 575-758-7598 <(575)%20758-7598> Office
>>>>> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Gino A. Villarini*
>>>>> President
>>>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Adair Winter
>>> VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
>>> Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 <(806)%20316-5071>
>>> C: 806.231.7180 <(806)%20231-7180>
>>> http://www.amarillowireless.net
>>> <http://www.amarillowireless.net>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

2018-05-31 Thread Eric Kuhnke 
Mimosa and Quantenna (their chipset provider) are effectively joined at the
hip, so that's not likely to happen. But I do agree with you.



On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 8:47 AM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> for the love of god, stop upconverting things
>
> On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 10:43 AM, Eric Kuhnke 
> wrote:
>
>> I would add on the "NOT" section, item #6:
>>
>> You need it to pass an RFC2544 or Y.1731 ethernet frame test at anything
>> near line rate.
>>
>> It's based on an upconverted 802.11ac Quantenna chipset, the TDD nature
>> of the radio means that it won't pass bidirectional simultaneous traffic
>> tests which require an FDD radio.
>>
>> For the record an AF24 will also not pass an RFC2544 test due to the 160
>> byte fragmentation issue with how it frames things. Not even at 500 Mbps x
>> 500 Mbps on a perfect, -56 signal 770x770 RF link.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 8:49 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> B24 is an excellent radio for the following situation:-
>>>   1) Short links (lets just say under 1.5 miles give or take).
>>>   2) need small size radio
>>>   3) need low power consumption
>>>   4) need to stack a few in different directions on the same mast.
>>>   5) need a fat pipe, which is not available from 5ghz due to freq /
>>> interference issues. (up to 1.5G Aggregate)
>>>   6) It is designed for Building Hopping as well as Video Networks
>>>   7) it will be interesting to see if they go thru with their initial
>>> intent to convert this into a B23 (23Ghz licensed radio).
>>>
>>> B24 is NOT for situations where  !
>>>1) You need long links (lets just say over 1.5miles).
>>>3) You have symmetric traffic  (i.e duplex )
>>>4) You need a larger Radio  :)
>>>5) You need a 700meg or 1G duplex
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>>
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected]
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
>>> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 30, 2018 9:14:54 PM
>>>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?
>>>
>>> I am in El Paso...real men don't need water
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 30, 2018, 7:07 PM Adair Winter 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Unless you live in a very dry are I think 2 miles is pushing it. In
>>>> rane zone E (yes I know) we don't expect any sort of reliability past 1-1.5
>>>> miles.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 8:04 PM Jaime Solorza <
>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Range for Mimosa is 2 miles?  Small footprint, lower price...I see it
>>>>> has place in downtown or campus application... another tool for us..
>>>>>
>>>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, May 30, 2018, 6:59 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The AF is much larger and thus  has much more gain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -
>>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *From: *"Josh Baird" 
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

2018-05-31 Thread Steve Jones 
for the love of god, stop upconverting things

On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 10:43 AM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

> I would add on the "NOT" section, item #6:
>
> You need it to pass an RFC2544 or Y.1731 ethernet frame test at anything
> near line rate.
>
> It's based on an upconverted 802.11ac Quantenna chipset, the TDD nature of
> the radio means that it won't pass bidirectional simultaneous traffic tests
> which require an FDD radio.
>
> For the record an AF24 will also not pass an RFC2544 test due to the 160
> byte fragmentation issue with how it frames things. Not even at 500 Mbps x
> 500 Mbps on a perfect, -56 signal 770x770 RF link.
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 8:49 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:
>
>> B24 is an excellent radio for the following situation:-
>>   1) Short links (lets just say under 1.5 miles give or take).
>>   2) need small size radio
>>   3) need low power consumption
>>   4) need to stack a few in different directions on the same mast.
>>   5) need a fat pipe, which is not available from 5ghz due to freq /
>> interference issues. (up to 1.5G Aggregate)
>>   6) It is designed for Building Hopping as well as Video Networks
>>   7) it will be interesting to see if they go thru with their initial
>> intent to convert this into a B23 (23Ghz licensed radio).
>>
>> B24 is NOT for situations where  !
>>1) You need long links (lets just say over 1.5miles).
>>3) You have symmetric traffic  (i.e duplex )
>>4) You need a larger Radio  :)
>>5) You need a 700meg or 1G duplex
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>>
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected]
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
>> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 30, 2018 9:14:54 PM
>>
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?
>>
>> I am in El Paso...real men don't need water
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Wed, May 30, 2018, 7:07 PM Adair Winter 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Unless you live in a very dry are I think 2 miles is pushing it. In rane
>>> zone E (yes I know) we don't expect any sort of reliability past 1-1.5
>>> miles.
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 8:04 PM Jaime Solorza 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Range for Mimosa is 2 miles?  Small footprint, lower price...I see it
>>>> has place in downtown or campus application... another tool for us..
>>>>
>>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 30, 2018, 6:59 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The AF is much larger and thus  has much more gain.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -
>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *From: *"Josh Baird" 
>>>>> *To: *[email protected]
>>>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 30, 2018 6:30:31 PM
>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?
>>>>>
>>>>> What makes it not a replacement for the AF24?
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 30, 2018, at 7:14 PM, Gino A. Villarini 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> We have several links installed, so far so good… not really a af24
>>>>> replacement, but… works for the application
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Af  on behalf of Sam Lambie <
>>>>> [email protected]>
>>>>> Reply-To: "[email protected]" 
>>>>> Date: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 at 2:29 PM
>>>>> To: "[email protected]" 
>>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Has anyone deployed these guys yet? If so, what do you think?
>>>>> I am needing a smaller form factor like this for a particular site and
>>>>> these fit the bill nicely. And the 50% cost reduction over ubnt af24 is
>>>>> sweet too.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> --
>>>>> *Sam Lambie*
>>>>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>>>>> 575-758-7598 Office
>>>>> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Gino A. Villarini*
>>>>> President
>>>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Adair Winter
>>> VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
>>> Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071
>>> C: 806.231.7180
>>> http://www.amarillowireless.net
>>> <http://www.amarillowireless.net>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

2018-05-31 Thread Eric Kuhnke 
I would add on the "NOT" section, item #6:

You need it to pass an RFC2544 or Y.1731 ethernet frame test at anything
near line rate.

It's based on an upconverted 802.11ac Quantenna chipset, the TDD nature of
the radio means that it won't pass bidirectional simultaneous traffic tests
which require an FDD radio.

For the record an AF24 will also not pass an RFC2544 test due to the 160
byte fragmentation issue with how it frames things. Not even at 500 Mbps x
500 Mbps on a perfect, -56 signal 770x770 RF link.



On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 8:49 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
wrote:

> B24 is an excellent radio for the following situation:-
>   1) Short links (lets just say under 1.5 miles give or take).
>   2) need small size radio
>   3) need low power consumption
>   4) need to stack a few in different directions on the same mast.
>   5) need a fat pipe, which is not available from 5ghz due to freq /
> interference issues. (up to 1.5G Aggregate)
>   6) It is designed for Building Hopping as well as Video Networks
>   7) it will be interesting to see if they go thru with their initial
> intent to convert this into a B23 (23Ghz licensed radio).
>
> B24 is NOT for situations where  !
>1) You need long links (lets just say over 1.5miles).
>3) You have symmetric traffic  (i.e duplex )
>4) You need a larger Radio  :)
>5) You need a 700meg or 1G duplex
>
> Regards
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected]
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 30, 2018 9:14:54 PM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?
>
> I am in El Paso...real men don't need water
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Wed, May 30, 2018, 7:07 PM Adair Winter 
> wrote:
>
>> Unless you live in a very dry are I think 2 miles is pushing it. In rane
>> zone E (yes I know) we don't expect any sort of reliability past 1-1.5
>> miles.
>>
>> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 8:04 PM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Range for Mimosa is 2 miles?  Small footprint, lower price...I see it
>>> has place in downtown or campus application... another tool for us..
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 30, 2018, 6:59 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>>
>>>> The AF is much larger and thus  has much more gain.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -
>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>>> --
>>>> *From: *"Josh Baird" 
>>>> *To: *[email protected]
>>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 30, 2018 6:30:31 PM
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?
>>>>
>>>> What makes it not a replacement for the AF24?
>>>>
>>>> On May 30, 2018, at 7:14 PM, Gino A. Villarini 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> We have several links installed, so far so good… not really a af24
>>>> replacement, but… works for the application
>>>>
>>>> From: Af  on behalf of Sam Lambie <
>>>> [email protected]>
>>>> Reply-To: "[email protected]" 
>>>> Date: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 at 2:29 PM
>>>> To: "[email protected]" 
>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?
>>>>
>>>> Hey all,
>>>>
>>>> Has anyone deployed these guys yet? If so, what do you think?
>>>> I am needing a smaller form factor like this for a particular site and
>>>> these fit the bill nicely. And the 50% cost reduction over ubnt af24 is
>>>> sweet too.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> --
>>>> *Sam Lambie*
>>>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>>>> 575-758-7598 Office
>>>> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Gino A. Villarini*
>>>> President
>>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Adair Winter
>> VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
>> Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071
>> C: 806.231.7180
>> http://www.amarillowireless.net
>> <http://www.amarillowireless.net>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

2018-05-30 Thread Faisal Imtiaz 
B24 is an excellent radio for the following situation:- 
1) Short links (lets just say under 1.5 miles give or take). 
2) need small size radio 
3) need low power consumption 
4) need to stack a few in different directions on the same mast. 
5) need a fat pipe, which is not available from 5ghz due to freq / interference 
issues. (up to 1.5G Aggregate) 
6) It is designed for Building Hopping as well as Video Networks 
7) it will be interesting to see if they go thru with their initial intent to 
convert this into a B23 (23Ghz licensed radio). 

B24 is NOT for situations where ! 
1) You need long links (lets just say over 1.5miles). 
3) You have symmetric traffic (i.e duplex ) 
4) You need a larger Radio :) 
5) You need a 700meg or 1G duplex 

Regards 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
http://www.snappytelecom.net 

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] 

> From: "Jaime Solorza" 
> To: "Animal Farm" 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 9:14:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

> I am in El Paso...real men don't need water

> Jaime Solorza

> On Wed, May 30, 2018, 7:07 PM Adair Winter < [email protected] >
> wrote:

>> Unless you live in a very dry are I think 2 miles is pushing it. In rane 
>> zone E
>> (yes I know) we don't expect any sort of reliability past 1-1.5 miles.

>> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 8:04 PM Jaime Solorza < [email protected] >
>> wrote:

>>> Range for Mimosa is 2 miles? Small footprint, lower price...I see it has 
>>> place
>>> in downtown or campus application... another tool for us..

>>> Jaime Solorza

>>> On Wed, May 30, 2018, 6:59 PM Mike Hammett < [email protected] > wrote:

>>>> The AF is much larger and thus has much more gain.

>>>> -
>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions

>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange

>>>> The Brothers WISP

>>>> From: "Josh Baird" < [email protected] >
>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 6:30:31 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

>>>> What makes it not a replacement for the AF24?

>>>> On May 30, 2018, at 7:14 PM, Gino A. Villarini < [email protected] > 
>>>> wrote:

>>>>> We have several links installed, so far so good… not really a af24 
>>>>> replacement,
>>>>> but… works for the application

>>>>> From: Af < [email protected] > on behalf of Sam Lambie < 
>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>> >
>>>>> Reply-To: " [email protected] " < [email protected] >
>>>>> Date: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 at 2:29 PM
>>>>> To: " [email protected] " < [email protected] >
>>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

>>>>> Hey all,

>>>>> Has anyone deployed these guys yet? If so, what do you think?
>>>>> I am needing a smaller form factor like this for a particular site and 
>>>>> these fit
>>>>> the bill nicely. And the 50% cost reduction over ubnt af24 is sweet too.

>>>>> Thanks

>>>>> --
>>>>> --
>>>>> Sam Lambie
>>>>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>>>>> 575-758-7598 Office
>>>>> www.Taosnet.com

>>>>> Gino A. Villarini
>>>>> President
>>>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

>>>>> 

>> --

>> Adair Winter
>> VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
>> Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071
>> C: 806.231.7180
>> http://www.amarillowireless.net

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

2018-05-30 Thread Jaime Solorza 
I am in El Paso...real men don't need water

Jaime Solorza

On Wed, May 30, 2018, 7:07 PM Adair Winter 
wrote:

> Unless you live in a very dry are I think 2 miles is pushing it. In rane
> zone E (yes I know) we don't expect any sort of reliability past 1-1.5
> miles.
>
> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 8:04 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Range for Mimosa is 2 miles?  Small footprint, lower price...I see it has
>> place in downtown or campus application... another tool for us..
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Wed, May 30, 2018, 6:59 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>>> The AF is much larger and thus  has much more gain.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Josh Baird" 
>>> *To: *[email protected]
>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 30, 2018 6:30:31 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?
>>>
>>> What makes it not a replacement for the AF24?
>>>
>>> On May 30, 2018, at 7:14 PM, Gino A. Villarini 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> We have several links installed, so far so good… not really a af24
>>> replacement, but… works for the application
>>>
>>> From: Af  on behalf of Sam Lambie <
>>> [email protected]>
>>> Reply-To: "[email protected]" 
>>> Date: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 at 2:29 PM
>>> To: "[email protected]" 
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?
>>>
>>> Hey all,
>>>
>>> Has anyone deployed these guys yet? If so, what do you think?
>>> I am needing a smaller form factor like this for a particular site and
>>> these fit the bill nicely. And the 50% cost reduction over ubnt af24 is
>>> sweet too.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>> *Sam Lambie*
>>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>>> 575-758-7598 Office
>>> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Gino A. Villarini*
>>> President
>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
> --
>
> Adair Winter
> VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
> Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071
> C: 806.231.7180
> http://www.amarillowireless.net
> <http://www.amarillowireless.net>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

2018-05-30 Thread Adair Winter 
Unless you live in a very dry are I think 2 miles is pushing it. In rane
zone E (yes I know) we don't expect any sort of reliability past 1-1.5
miles.

On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 8:04 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Range for Mimosa is 2 miles?  Small footprint, lower price...I see it has
> place in downtown or campus application... another tool for us..
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Wed, May 30, 2018, 6:59 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> The AF is much larger and thus  has much more gain.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *"Josh Baird" 
>> *To: *[email protected]
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 30, 2018 6:30:31 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?
>>
>> What makes it not a replacement for the AF24?
>>
>> On May 30, 2018, at 7:14 PM, Gino A. Villarini  wrote:
>>
>> We have several links installed, so far so good… not really a af24
>> replacement, but… works for the application
>>
>> From: Af  on behalf of Sam Lambie <
>> [email protected]>
>> Reply-To: "[email protected]" 
>> Date: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 at 2:29 PM
>> To: "[email protected]" 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?
>>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> Has anyone deployed these guys yet? If so, what do you think?
>> I am needing a smaller form factor like this for a particular site and
>> these fit the bill nicely. And the 50% cost reduction over ubnt af24 is
>> sweet too.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> --
>> --
>> *Sam Lambie*
>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>> 575-758-7598 Office
>> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Gino A. Villarini*
>> President
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>

-- 

Adair Winter
VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071
C: 806.231.7180
http://www.amarillowireless.net
<http://www.amarillowireless.net>

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

2018-05-30 Thread Jaime Solorza 
Range for Mimosa is 2 miles?  Small footprint, lower price...I see it has
place in downtown or campus application... another tool for us..

Jaime Solorza

On Wed, May 30, 2018, 6:59 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> The AF is much larger and thus  has much more gain.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> ------------------
> *From: *"Josh Baird" 
> *To: *[email protected]
> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 30, 2018 6:30:31 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?
>
> What makes it not a replacement for the AF24?
>
> On May 30, 2018, at 7:14 PM, Gino A. Villarini  wrote:
>
> We have several links installed, so far so good… not really a af24
> replacement, but… works for the application
>
> From: Af  on behalf of Sam Lambie <
> [email protected]>
> Reply-To: "[email protected]" 
> Date: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 at 2:29 PM
> To: "[email protected]" 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?
>
> Hey all,
>
> Has anyone deployed these guys yet? If so, what do you think?
> I am needing a smaller form factor like this for a particular site and
> these fit the bill nicely. And the 50% cost reduction over ubnt af24 is
> sweet too.
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> 
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

2018-05-30 Thread Adair Winter 
af24 is also full duplex, if that matters to you.

On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 7:59 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> The AF is much larger and thus  has much more gain.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> ------------------
> *From: *"Josh Baird" 
> *To: *[email protected]
> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 30, 2018 6:30:31 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?
>
> What makes it not a replacement for the AF24?
>
> On May 30, 2018, at 7:14 PM, Gino A. Villarini  wrote:
>
> We have several links installed, so far so good… not really a af24
> replacement, but… works for the application
>
> From: Af  on behalf of Sam Lambie <
> [email protected]>
> Reply-To: "[email protected]" 
> Date: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 at 2:29 PM
> To: "[email protected]" 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?
>
> Hey all,
>
> Has anyone deployed these guys yet? If so, what do you think?
> I am needing a smaller form factor like this for a particular site and
> these fit the bill nicely. And the 50% cost reduction over ubnt af24 is
> sweet too.
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> 
>
>
>

-- 

Adair Winter
VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071
C: 806.231.7180
http://www.amarillowireless.net
<http://www.amarillowireless.net>

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

2018-05-30 Thread Mike Hammett 
The AF is much larger and thus has much more gain. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Josh Baird"  
To: [email protected] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 6:30:31 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts? 

What makes it not a replacement for the AF24? 


On May 30, 2018, at 7:14 PM, Gino A. Villarini < [email protected] > wrote: 





We have several links installed, so far so good… not really a af24 replacement, 
but… works for the application 


From: Af < [email protected] > on behalf of Sam Lambie < 
[email protected] > 
Reply-To: " [email protected] " < [email protected] > 
Date: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 at 2:29 PM 
To: " [email protected] " < [email protected] > 
Subject: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts? 





Hey all, 


Has anyone deployed these guys yet? If so, what do you think? 
I am needing a smaller form factor like this for a particular site and these 
fit the bill nicely. And the 50% cost reduction over ubnt af24 is sweet too. 


Thanks 


-- 

-- 
Sam Lambie 
Taosnet Wireless Tech. 
575-758-7598 Office 
www.Taosnet.com 



Gino A. Villarini 
President 
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

2018-05-30 Thread Josh Baird 
What makes it not a replacement for the AF24?

> On May 30, 2018, at 7:14 PM, Gino A. Villarini  wrote:
> 
> We have several links installed, so far so good… not really a af24 
> replacement, but… works for the application 
> 
> From: Af  on behalf of Sam Lambie 
> Reply-To: "[email protected]" 
> Date: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 at 2:29 PM
> To: "[email protected]" 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?
> 
> Hey all,
> 
> Has anyone deployed these guys yet? If so, what do you think?
> I am needing a smaller form factor like this for a particular site and these 
> fit the bill nicely. And the 50% cost reduction over ubnt af24 is sweet too.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> -- 
> -- 
> Sam Lambie
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com
>  
> 
> Gino A. Villarini
> 
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

2018-05-30 Thread Gino A. Villarini 
We have several links installed, so far so good… not really a af24 replacement, 
but… works for the application

From: Af mailto:[email protected]>> on behalf of Sam 
Lambie mailto:[email protected]>>
Reply-To: "[email protected]" 
mailto:[email protected]>>
Date: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 at 2:29 PM
To: "[email protected]" mailto:[email protected]>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

Hey all,

Has anyone deployed these guys yet? If so, what do you think?
I am needing a smaller form factor like this for a particular site and these 
fit the bill nicely. And the 50% cost reduction over ubnt af24 is sweet too.

Thanks

--
--
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com



Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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