Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...
Company I doing work for is Dragonwave dealer Jaime Solorza On Feb 23, 2018 5:28 PM, "SmarterBroadband" <li...@sbb.net> wrote: > Dragonwave-X Harmony Enhanced HP. > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett > *Sent:* Friday, February 23, 2018 2:59 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective... > > > > Someone (I forget who) was claiming their high power (34 dBm) 18 GHz > radios would reach just as far as many 11 GHz radios. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -- > > *From: *"Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > *To: *"Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com> > *Sent: *Friday, February 23, 2018 9:33:50 AM > *Subject: *[AFMUG] Question for the collective... > > Going to have a meeting with company that has a 1GBps feed to office from > CenturyLink. They have four remote locations (4.1, 4.4, 6.2 and 9.1 miles > ) from office. All are west and with a 60 degree span if I was using a > sectored antenna. On email, they indicated they want licensed links and > want to deliver 1GBps to each location. Not sure if they are adding more > CenturyLink feeds to provide 1Gig to each site. I wonder what you guys > would recommend? I know it's a energy company and Pecan farm outfit in > eastern NM. Let's say they have good budget , dazzle me with your > suggestions? > > Jaime Solorza > > >
Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...
Dragonwave-X Harmony Enhanced HP. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 2:59 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective... Someone (I forget who) was claiming their high power (34 dBm) 18 GHz radios would reach just as far as many 11 GHz radios. - Mike Hammett <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> _ From: "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 9:33:50 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Question for the collective... Going to have a meeting with company that has a 1GBps feed to office from CenturyLink. They have four remote locations (4.1, 4.4, 6.2 and 9.1 miles ) from office. All are west and with a 60 degree span if I was using a sectored antenna. On email, they indicated they want licensed links and want to deliver 1GBps to each location. Not sure if they are adding more CenturyLink feeds to provide 1Gig to each site. I wonder what you guys would recommend? I know it's a energy company and Pecan farm outfit in eastern NM. Let's say they have good budget , dazzle me with your suggestions? Jaime Solorza
Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...
Two years ago Jaime Solorza On Feb 23, 2018 4:28 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote: > Artesia area.. I installed bunch on Siklu links along with a few 3.65 > Ubiquiti radios > > Jaime Solorza > > On Feb 23, 2018 11:11 AM, "Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I bet he won't have any issues with frequencies where he is. >> >> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 12:04 PM Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net> >> wrote: >> >>> so.. here is how things will break down for you >>> >>> to do 1G duplex links, you have a few choices.. >>> 60ghz or 80ghz (very short links) >>> or you do 24ghz (short to medium, depending on rain fade) >>> 11ghz or 6ghz.. you need to have freq available, and >>> will be looking at roughly $15k / link >>> ( the pricing on 1G links in the range of >>> $12k to $15k may change in depending on pricing announcement by >>> Bridgewave's new radios). >>> >>> Now if the requirements were say sub 1G (500meg to 800meg) then you >>> have a few more options >>> which can be in the range of $3k to $7k per link >>> >>> Bigger challenge will be finding enough licensed spectrum to do what is >>> needed. >>> >>> Best of luck. >>> >>> Regards. >>> >>> Faisal Imtiaz >>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>> http://www.snappytelecom.net >>> >>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518> >>> >>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email: >>> supp...@snappytelecom.net >>> >>> -- >>> >>> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> >>> *To: *"Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com> >>> *Sent: *Friday, February 23, 2018 12:49:31 PM >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective... >>> >>> Not familiar with this productwill download specs >>> >>> Jaime Solorza >>> >>> On Feb 23, 2018 9:56 AM, "Dave" <dmilho...@wletc.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Bang it out with PTP820C ring >>>> Most of the switching is now for doing such a thing is built right into >>>> the ODU if you go all outdoor. >>>> They do make a split unit or an all indoor unit as well. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 02/23/2018 10:30 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote: >>>> >>>> That is what I was thinking...4 P2P links and tie them in at office...I >>>> wonder if you could colocate 4 11GHz links successfully? >>>> >>>> Jaime Solorza >>>> >>>> On Feb 23, 2018 9:07 AM, "Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> If budget isn't a problem, I would put up P2P to every location in a >>>>> ring topology. A little routing or switch magic (your preference) and you >>>>> have a redundant setup. >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:03 AM Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I would assume that you can add a fourth location... >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 9:00 AM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> CL has an option called Fiber Plus that will give them a gig at >>>>>>> three locations. ISPs are not eligible, as it no longer allows resale. >>>>>>> If >>>>>>> they can get that deal, it would be your best bet. They tie everything >>>>>>> together on a VLAN. >>>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza < >>>>>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Going to have a meeting with company that has a 1GBps feed to >>>>>>>> office from CenturyLink. They have four remote locations (4.1, 4.4, >>>>>>>> 6.2 >>>>>>>> and 9.1 miles ) from office. All are west and with a 60 degree span >>>>>>>> if I >>>>>>>> was using a sectored antenna. On email, they indicated they want >>>>>>>> licensed >>>>>>>> links and want to deliver 1GBps to each location. Not sure if they are >>>>>>>> adding more CenturyLink feeds to provide 1Gig to each site. I wonder >>>>>>>> what >>>>>>>> you guys would recommend? I know it's a energy company and Pecan farm >>>>>>>> outfit in eastern NM. Let's say they have good budget , dazzle me >>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>> your suggestions? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jaime Solorza >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>
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Artesia area.. I installed bunch on Siklu links along with a few 3.65 Ubiquiti radios Jaime Solorza On Feb 23, 2018 11:11 AM, "Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote: > I bet he won't have any issues with frequencies where he is. > > On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 12:04 PM Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net> > wrote: > >> so.. here is how things will break down for you >> >> to do 1G duplex links, you have a few choices.. >> 60ghz or 80ghz (very short links) >> or you do 24ghz (short to medium, depending on rain fade) >> 11ghz or 6ghz.. you need to have freq available, and will >> be looking at roughly $15k / link >> ( the pricing on 1G links in the range of >> $12k to $15k may change in depending on pricing announcement by >> Bridgewave's new radios). >> >> Now if the requirements were say sub 1G (500meg to 800meg) then you have >> a few more options >> which can be in the range of $3k to $7k per link >> >> Bigger challenge will be finding enough licensed spectrum to do what is >> needed. >> >> Best of luck. >> >> Regards. >> >> Faisal Imtiaz >> Snappy Internet & Telecom >> http://www.snappytelecom.net >> >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518> >> >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email: >> supp...@snappytelecom.net >> >> -- >> >> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> >> *To: *"Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com> >> *Sent: *Friday, February 23, 2018 12:49:31 PM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective... >> >> Not familiar with this productwill download specs >> >> Jaime Solorza >> >> On Feb 23, 2018 9:56 AM, "Dave" <dmilho...@wletc.com> wrote: >> >>> Bang it out with PTP820C ring >>> Most of the switching is now for doing such a thing is built right into >>> the ODU if you go all outdoor. >>> They do make a split unit or an all indoor unit as well. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 02/23/2018 10:30 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote: >>> >>> That is what I was thinking...4 P2P links and tie them in at office...I >>> wonder if you could colocate 4 11GHz links successfully? >>> >>> Jaime Solorza >>> >>> On Feb 23, 2018 9:07 AM, "Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> If budget isn't a problem, I would put up P2P to every location in a >>>> ring topology. A little routing or switch magic (your preference) and you >>>> have a redundant setup. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:03 AM Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I would assume that you can add a fourth location... >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 9:00 AM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> CL has an option called Fiber Plus that will give them a gig at three >>>>>> locations. ISPs are not eligible, as it no longer allows resale. If >>>>>> they >>>>>> can get that deal, it would be your best bet. They tie everything >>>>>> together >>>>>> on a VLAN. >>>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza < >>>>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Going to have a meeting with company that has a 1GBps feed to office >>>>>>> from CenturyLink. They have four remote locations (4.1, 4.4, 6.2 and >>>>>>> 9.1 >>>>>>> miles ) from office. All are west and with a 60 degree span if I was >>>>>>> using a sectored antenna. On email, they indicated they want licensed >>>>>>> links and want to deliver 1GBps to each location. Not sure if they are >>>>>>> adding more CenturyLink feeds to provide 1Gig to each site. I wonder >>>>>>> what >>>>>>> you guys would recommend? I know it's a energy company and Pecan farm >>>>>>> outfit in eastern NM. Let's say they have good budget , dazzle me with >>>>>>> your suggestions? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jaime Solorza >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> -- >>> >>
Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...
Someone (I forget who) was claiming their high power (34 dBm) 18 GHz radios would reach just as far as many 11 GHz radios. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Jaime Solorza"To: "Animal Farm" Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 9:33:50 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Question for the collective... Going to have a meeting with company that has a 1GBps feed to office from CenturyLink. They have four remote locations (4.1, 4.4, 6.2 and 9.1 miles ) from office. All are west and with a 60 degree span if I was using a sectored antenna. On email, they indicated they want licensed links and want to deliver 1GBps to each location. Not sure if they are adding more CenturyLink feeds to provide 1Gig to each site. I wonder what you guys would recommend? I know it's a energy company and Pecan farm outfit in eastern NM. Let's say they have good budget , dazzle me with your suggestions? Jaime Solorza
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around that without antennas SAF changed their distribution model at the beginning of the year though Im a SAF fan, i love it, i want to marry it and sleep with it in my bed, other than Mimosa, which is like UBNT non Airfiber line quality, SAF is all ive messed with in licensed, but its been solid On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 3:14 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote: > What did that Integra link end up costing? I'm guessing somewhere around > $20k? > > On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 3:02 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> fyi, im bench satisfied with saf integra ws 2+0, 11ghz, 1.2gbps duplex >> and no latency, thats 4 radios 80mhz channel sets, mix 11ghz and 6ghz you >> can get aggregate rates if they have the money, the multiple radio/antenna >> footprints, the money, the channels, the money >> >> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 2:54 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net> >> wrote: >> >>> I am not sure where is the location.. but don't be surprised, the Cell >>> Co's have been chewing up licensed spectrum like crazy with their LTE >>> deployments. >>> >>> Faisal Imtiaz >>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>> http://www.snappytelecom.net >>> >>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518> >>> >>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email: >>> supp...@snappytelecom.net >>> >>> -- >>> >>> *From: *"Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> >>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>> *Sent: *Friday, February 23, 2018 1:11:54 PM >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective... >>> >>> I bet he won't have any issues with frequencies where he is. >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 12:04 PM Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> so.. here is how things will break down for you >>>> >>>> to do 1G duplex links, you have a few choices.. >>>> 60ghz or 80ghz (very short links) >>>> or you do 24ghz (short to medium, depending on rain >>>> fade) >>>> 11ghz or 6ghz.. you need to have freq available, and >>>> will be looking at roughly $15k / link >>>> ( the pricing on 1G links in the range of >>>> $12k to $15k may change in depending on pricing announcement by >>>> Bridgewave's new radios). >>>> >>>> Now if the requirements were say sub 1G (500meg to 800meg) then you >>>> have a few more options >>>> which can be in the range of $3k to $7k per link >>>> >>>> Bigger challenge will be finding enough licensed spectrum to do what is >>>> needed. >>>> >>>> Best of luck. >>>> >>>> Regards. >>>> >>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>>> http://www.snappytelecom.net >>>> >>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518> >>>> >>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email: >>>> supp...@snappytelecom.net >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> >>>> *To: *"Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com> >>>> *Sent: *Friday, February 23, 2018 12:49:31 PM >>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective... >>>> >>>> Not familiar with this productwill download specs >>>> >>>> Jaime Solorza >>>> >>>> On Feb 23, 2018 9:56 AM, "Dave" <dmilho...@wletc.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Bang it out with PTP820C ring >>>>> Most of the switching is now for doing such a thing is built right >>>>> into the ODU if you go all outdoor. >>>>> They do make a split unit or an all indoor unit as well. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 02/23/2018 10:30 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote: >>>>> >>>>> That is what I was thinking...4 P2P links and tie them in at >>>>> office...I wonder if you could colocate 4 11GHz links successfully? >>>>> >>>>> Jaime Solorza >>>>> >>>>> On Feb 23, 2018 9:07 AM, "Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> >>>&g
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That's definitely an interesting looking radio... it'll be interesting to see how they price it. Considering some of the recent specials Bridgewave has been running on their e-band radios, I wouldn't be surprised if it was "disruptive". On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 3:22 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote: > I am waiting to see how the new Bridgewave company prices the Navigator > Radio > > That is going to be one slick puppy.. and let's hope it is going to be > priced 'disruptively' ! > > https://bridgewave.com/navigator/ > > :) > > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > http://www.snappytelecom.net > > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518> > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email: > supp...@snappytelecom.net > > -- > > *From: *"Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com> > *To: *"af" <af@afmug.com> > *Sent: *Friday, February 23, 2018 4:14:19 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective... > > What did that Integra link end up costing? I'm guessing somewhere around > $20k? > > On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 3:02 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> fyi, im bench satisfied with saf integra ws 2+0, 11ghz, 1.2gbps duplex >> and no latency, thats 4 radios 80mhz channel sets, mix 11ghz and 6ghz you >> can get aggregate rates if they have the money, the multiple radio/antenna >> footprints, the money, the channels, the money >> >> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 2:54 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net> >> wrote: >> >>> I am not sure where is the location.. but don't be surprised, the Cell >>> Co's have been chewing up licensed spectrum like crazy with their LTE >>> deployments. >>> >>> Faisal Imtiaz >>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>> http://www.snappytelecom.net >>> >>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518> >>> >>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email: >>> supp...@snappytelecom.net >>> >>> -- >>> >>> *From: *"Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> >>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>> *Sent: *Friday, February 23, 2018 1:11:54 PM >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective... >>> >>> I bet he won't have any issues with frequencies where he is. >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 12:04 PM Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> so.. here is how things will break down for you >>>> >>>> to do 1G duplex links, you have a few choices.. >>>> 60ghz or 80ghz (very short links) >>>> or you do 24ghz (short to medium, depending on rain >>>> fade) >>>> 11ghz or 6ghz.. you need to have freq available, and >>>> will be looking at roughly $15k / link >>>> ( the pricing on 1G links in the range of >>>> $12k to $15k may change in depending on pricing announcement by >>>> Bridgewave's new radios). >>>> >>>> Now if the requirements were say sub 1G (500meg to 800meg) then you >>>> have a few more options >>>> which can be in the range of $3k to $7k per link >>>> >>>> Bigger challenge will be finding enough licensed spectrum to do what is >>>> needed. >>>> >>>> Best of luck. >>>> >>>> Regards. >>>> >>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>>> http://www.snappytelecom.net >>>> >>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518> >>>> >>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email: >>>> supp...@snappytelecom.net >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> >>>> *To: *"Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com> >>>> *Sent: *Friday, February 23, 2018 12:49:31 PM >>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective... >>>> >>>> Not familiar with this productwill download specs >>>> >>>> Jaime Solorza >>>> >>>> On Feb 23, 2018 9:56 AM, "Dave" <dmilho...@wletc.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Bang it out with PTP820C ring >
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Cambium networks PTP820C I recently certified on it in October. On 02/23/2018 11:49 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote: Not familiar with this productwill download specs Jaime Solorza On Feb 23, 2018 9:56 AM, "Dave"> wrote: Bang it out with PTP820C ring Most of the switching is now for doing such a thing is built right into the ODU if you go all outdoor. They do make a split unit or an all indoor unit as well. On 02/23/2018 10:30 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote: That is what I was thinking...4 P2P links and tie them in at office...I wonder if you could colocate 4 11GHz links successfully? Jaime Solorza On Feb 23, 2018 9:07 AM, "Lewis Bergman" > wrote: If budget isn't a problem, I would put up P2P to every location in a ring topology. A little routing or switch magic (your preference) and you have a redundant setup. On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:03 AM Jeremy > wrote: I would assume that you can add a fourth location... On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 9:00 AM, Jeremy > wrote: CL has an option called Fiber Plus that will give them a gig at three locations. ISPs are not eligible, as it no longer allows resale. If they can get that deal, it would be your best bet. They tie everything together on a VLAN. On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza > wrote: Going to have a meeting with company that has a 1GBps feed to office from CenturyLink. They have four remote locations (4.1, 4.4, 6.2 and 9.1 miles ) from office. All are west and with a 60 degree span if I was using a sectored antenna. On email, they indicated they want licensed links and want to deliver 1GBps to each location. Not sure if they are adding more CenturyLink feeds to provide 1Gig to each site. I wonder what you guys would recommend? I know it's a energy company and Pecan farm outfit in eastern NM. Let's say they have good budget , dazzle me with your suggestions? Jaime Solorza -- --
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+1, never had a problem with 7 miles at 18 GHz. Even stretched a few to 9 without big problems (minor rain fade during storms). From: Rory Conaway Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 1:29 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective... I would do all the shots less than 7 miles in 18GHz if you can’t get 11GHz. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Carl Peterson Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 12:39 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective... For the shorter(4-5 mile) links you could do something like the Siklu EX2500 with 2' antennas and a hot fall over (This is a licensed feature but its cheap) They also have an antenna with integrated 5GHz so if you were doing the backup in 5GHz you could do it all on one antenna. The backup radio plugs into the Siklu and it does the fall over for you so you don't need to do that in routing etc. On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 2:05 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote: Yeah, if the actual requirements are a full duplex 1 gig link, then it's going to be expensive. It sounds like this is all going to be sharing the existing 1 gig fiber that they already have, so I suspect that it probably doesn't really need to be a full gig everywhere... if that's the case, then it can be done a lot cheaper, and with a lot less spectrum. An 11ghz radio on a single 80mhz channel can do over 600Mbps, and can be had relatively cheap. The cheapest way to get something that's close enough to a gig that won't matter to most people would be using B11's, but that's not full duplex, and it would burn up a LOT of spectrum... actually, I'm not sure if it would even be possible to run 4 B11 links that close to the same direction, even if the entire band is completely clear... On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 12:04 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote: so.. here is how things will break down for you to do 1G duplex links, you have a few choices.. 60ghz or 80ghz (very short links) or you do 24ghz (short to medium, depending on rain fade) 11ghz or 6ghz.. you need to have freq available, and will be looking at roughly $15k / link ( the pricing on 1G links in the range of $12k to $15k may change in depending on pricing announcement by Bridgewave's new radios). Now if the requirements were say sub 1G (500meg to 800meg) then you have a few more options which can be in the range of $3k to $7k per link Bigger challenge will be finding enough licensed spectrum to do what is needed. Best of luck. Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net From: "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 12:49:31 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective... Not familiar with this productwill download specs Jaime Solorza On Feb 23, 2018 9:56 AM, "Dave" <dmilho...@wletc.com> wrote: Bang it out with PTP820C ring Most of the switching is now for doing such a thing is built right into the ODU if you go all outdoor. They do make a split unit or an all indoor unit as well. On 02/23/2018 10:30 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote: That is what I was thinking...4 P2P links and tie them in at office...I wonder if you could colocate 4 11GHz links successfully? Jaime Solorza On Feb 23, 2018 9:07 AM, "Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote: If budget isn't a problem, I would put up P2P to every location in a ring topology. A little routing or switch magic (your preference) and you have a redundant setup. On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:03 AM Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote: I would assume that you can add a fourth location... On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 9:00 AM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote: CL has an option called Fiber Plus that will give them a gig at three locations. ISPs are not eligible, as it no longer allows resale. If they can get that deal, it would be your best bet. They tie everything together on a VLAN. On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote: Going to have a meeting with company that has a 1GBps feed to office from CenturyLink. They have four remote locations (4.1, 4.4, 6.2 and 9.1 miles ) from office. All are west and with a 60 degree span if I was using a sectored antenna. On email, they indicated they want licensed links and want to deliver 1GBps to each location. No
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I am waiting to see how the new Bridgewave company prices the Navigator Radio That is going to be one slick puppy.. and let's hope it is going to be priced 'disruptively' ! https://bridgewave.com/navigator/ :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com> > To: "af" <af@afmug.com> > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 4:14:19 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective... > What did that Integra link end up costing? I'm guessing somewhere around $20k? > On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 3:02 PM, Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > > wrote: >> fyi, im bench satisfied with saf integra ws 2+0, 11ghz, 1.2gbps duplex and no >> latency, thats 4 radios 80mhz channel sets, mix 11ghz and 6ghz you can get >> aggregate rates if they have the money, the multiple radio/antenna >> footprints, >> the money, the channels, the money >> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 2:54 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net > >> wrote: >>> I am not sure where is the location.. but don't be surprised, the Cell Co's >>> have >>> been chewing up licensed spectrum like crazy with their LTE deployments. >>> Faisal Imtiaz >>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>> http://www.snappytelecom.net >>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >>>> From: "Lewis Bergman" < lewis.berg...@gmail.com > >>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 1:11:54 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective... >>>> I bet he won't have any issues with frequencies where he is. >>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 12:04 PM Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net > >>>> wrote: >>>>> so.. here is how things will break down for you >>>>> to do 1G duplex links, you have a few choices.. >>>>> 60ghz or 80ghz (very short links) >>>>> or you do 24ghz (short to medium, depending on rain fade) >>>>> 11ghz or 6ghz.. you need to have freq available, and will be looking at >>>>> roughly >>>>> $15k / link >>>>> ( the pricing on 1G links in the range of $12k to $15k may change in >>>>> depending >>>>> on pricing announcement by Bridgewave's new radios). >>>>> Now if the requirements were say sub 1G (500meg to 800meg) then you have >>>>> a few >>>>> more options >>>>> which can be in the range of $3k to $7k per link >>>>> Bigger challenge will be finding enough licensed spectrum to do what is >>>>> needed. >>>>> Best of luck. >>>>> Regards. >>>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>>>> http://www.snappytelecom.net >>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >>>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >>>>>> From: "Jaime Solorza" < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > >>>>>> To: "Animal Farm" < af@afmug.com > >>>>>> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 12:49:31 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective... >>>>>> Not familiar with this productwill download specs >>>>>> Jaime Solorza >>>>>> On Feb 23, 2018 9:56 AM, "Dave" < dmilho...@wletc.com > wrote: >>>>>>> Bang it out with PTP820C ring >>>>>>> Most of the switching is now for doing such a thing is built right into >>>>>>> the ODU >>>>>>> if you go all outdoor. >>>>>>> They do make a split unit or an all indoor unit as well. >>>>>>> On 02/23/2018 10:30 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote: >>>>>>>> That is what I was thinking...4 P2P links and tie them in at >>>>>>>> office...I wonder >>>>>>>> if you could colocate 4 11GHz links successfully? >>>>>>>> Jaime Solorza >>>>>>>> On Feb 23, 2018 9:07 AM, "Lewis Bergman" < lewis.berg...@gmail.com > >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> If budget isn't a problem, I would put up P2P to every location in a >>>>>>>>> ring >>>>>>>>>
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I'll bet in that micro climate 18G wouldn't work any better at 7 miles than it would here. I can't get anything reliable over 4.5 miles here on 18G. On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 2:29 PM Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote: > I would do all the shots less than 7 miles in 18GHz if you can’t get > 11GHz. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Carl Peterson > *Sent:* Friday, February 23, 2018 12:39 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective... > > > > For the shorter(4-5 mile) links you could do something like the Siklu > EX2500 with 2' antennas and a hot fall over (This is a licensed feature but > its cheap) They also have an antenna with integrated 5GHz so if you were > doing the backup in 5GHz you could do it all on one antenna. The backup > radio plugs into the Siklu and it does the fall over for you so you don't > need to do that in routing etc. > > > > On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 2:05 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Yeah, if the actual requirements are a full duplex 1 gig link, then it's > going to be expensive. It sounds like this is all going to be sharing the > existing 1 gig fiber that they already have, so I suspect that it probably > doesn't really need to be a full gig everywhere... if that's the case, then > it can be done a lot cheaper, and with a lot less spectrum. An 11ghz radio > on a single 80mhz channel can do over 600Mbps, and can be had relatively > cheap. > > The cheapest way to get something that's close enough to a gig that won't > matter to most people would be using B11's, but that's not full duplex, and > it would burn up a LOT of spectrum... actually, I'm not sure if it would > even be possible to run 4 B11 links that close to the same direction, even > if the entire band is completely clear... > > > > On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 12:04 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net> > wrote: > > so.. here is how things will break down for you > > > > to do 1G duplex links, you have a few choices.. > > 60ghz or 80ghz (very short links) > > or you do 24ghz (short to medium, depending on rain fade) > > 11ghz or 6ghz.. you need to have freq available, and will > be looking at roughly $15k / link > > ( the pricing on 1G links in the range of > $12k to $15k may change in depending on pricing announcement by > Bridgewave's new radios). > > > > Now if the requirements were say sub 1G (500meg to 800meg) then you have > a few more options > > which can be in the range of $3k to $7k per link > > > > Bigger challenge will be finding enough licensed spectrum to do what is > needed. > > > > Best of luck. > > > > Regards. > > > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > http://www.snappytelecom.net > > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518> > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email: > supp...@snappytelecom.net > > > -- > > *From: *"Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > *To: *"Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com> > *Sent: *Friday, February 23, 2018 12:49:31 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective... > > Not familiar with this productwill download specs > > Jaime Solorza > > > > On Feb 23, 2018 9:56 AM, "Dave" <dmilho...@wletc.com> wrote: > > Bang it out with PTP820C ring > Most of the switching is now for doing such a thing is built right into > the ODU if you go all outdoor. > They do make a split unit or an all indoor unit as well. > > > On 02/23/2018 10:30 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote: > > That is what I was thinking...4 P2P links and tie them in at office...I > wonder if you could colocate 4 11GHz links successfully? > > Jaime Solorza > > > > On Feb 23, 2018 9:07 AM, "Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote: > > If budget isn't a problem, I would put up P2P to every location in a ring > topology. A little routing or switch magic (your preference) and you have a > redundant setup. > > > > On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:03 AM Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I would assume that you can add a fourth location... > > > > On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 9:00 AM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote: > > CL has an option called Fiber Plus that will give them a gig at three > locations. ISPs are not eligible, as it no longer allows resale. If they > can get that deal, it would be your best b
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What did that Integra link end up costing? I'm guessing somewhere around $20k? On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 3:02 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > fyi, im bench satisfied with saf integra ws 2+0, 11ghz, 1.2gbps duplex and > no latency, thats 4 radios 80mhz channel sets, mix 11ghz and 6ghz you can > get aggregate rates if they have the money, the multiple radio/antenna > footprints, the money, the channels, the money > > On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 2:54 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net> > wrote: > >> I am not sure where is the location.. but don't be surprised, the Cell >> Co's have been chewing up licensed spectrum like crazy with their LTE >> deployments. >> >> Faisal Imtiaz >> Snappy Internet & Telecom >> http://www.snappytelecom.net >> >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518> >> >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email: >> supp...@snappytelecom.net >> >> -- >> >> *From: *"Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> >> *To: *af@afmug.com >> *Sent: *Friday, February 23, 2018 1:11:54 PM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective... >> >> I bet he won't have any issues with frequencies where he is. >> >> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 12:04 PM Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net> >> wrote: >> >>> so.. here is how things will break down for you >>> >>> to do 1G duplex links, you have a few choices.. >>> 60ghz or 80ghz (very short links) >>> or you do 24ghz (short to medium, depending on rain fade) >>> 11ghz or 6ghz.. you need to have freq available, and >>> will be looking at roughly $15k / link >>> ( the pricing on 1G links in the range of >>> $12k to $15k may change in depending on pricing announcement by >>> Bridgewave's new radios). >>> >>> Now if the requirements were say sub 1G (500meg to 800meg) then you >>> have a few more options >>> which can be in the range of $3k to $7k per link >>> >>> Bigger challenge will be finding enough licensed spectrum to do what is >>> needed. >>> >>> Best of luck. >>> >>> Regards. >>> >>> Faisal Imtiaz >>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>> http://www.snappytelecom.net >>> >>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518> >>> >>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email: >>> supp...@snappytelecom.net >>> >>> -- >>> >>> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> >>> *To: *"Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com> >>> *Sent: *Friday, February 23, 2018 12:49:31 PM >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective... >>> >>> Not familiar with this productwill download specs >>> >>> Jaime Solorza >>> >>> On Feb 23, 2018 9:56 AM, "Dave" <dmilho...@wletc.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Bang it out with PTP820C ring >>>> Most of the switching is now for doing such a thing is built right into >>>> the ODU if you go all outdoor. >>>> They do make a split unit or an all indoor unit as well. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 02/23/2018 10:30 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote: >>>> >>>> That is what I was thinking...4 P2P links and tie them in at office...I >>>> wonder if you could colocate 4 11GHz links successfully? >>>> >>>> Jaime Solorza >>>> >>>> On Feb 23, 2018 9:07 AM, "Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> If budget isn't a problem, I would put up P2P to every location in a >>>>> ring topology. A little routing or switch magic (your preference) and you >>>>> have a redundant setup. >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:03 AM Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I would assume that you can add a fourth location... >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 9:00 AM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> CL has an option called Fiber Plus that will give them a gig at >>>>>>> three locations. ISPs are not eligible, as it no longer allows resale. >>>>>>> If >>>>>>> they can get that deal, it would be your best bet. They tie everything >>>>>>> together on a VLAN. >>>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza < >>>>>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Going to have a meeting with company that has a 1GBps feed to >>>>>>>> office from CenturyLink. They have four remote locations (4.1, 4.4, >>>>>>>> 6.2 >>>>>>>> and 9.1 miles ) from office. All are west and with a 60 degree span >>>>>>>> if I >>>>>>>> was using a sectored antenna. On email, they indicated they want >>>>>>>> licensed >>>>>>>> links and want to deliver 1GBps to each location. Not sure if they are >>>>>>>> adding more CenturyLink feeds to provide 1Gig to each site. I wonder >>>>>>>> what >>>>>>>> you guys would recommend? I know it's a energy company and Pecan farm >>>>>>>> outfit in eastern NM. Let's say they have good budget , dazzle me >>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>> your suggestions? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jaime Solorza >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>> >> >
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fyi, im bench satisfied with saf integra ws 2+0, 11ghz, 1.2gbps duplex and no latency, thats 4 radios 80mhz channel sets, mix 11ghz and 6ghz you can get aggregate rates if they have the money, the multiple radio/antenna footprints, the money, the channels, the money On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 2:54 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote: > I am not sure where is the location.. but don't be surprised, the Cell > Co's have been chewing up licensed spectrum like crazy with their LTE > deployments. > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > http://www.snappytelecom.net > > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518> > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email: > supp...@snappytelecom.net > > -- > > *From: *"Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Friday, February 23, 2018 1:11:54 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective... > > I bet he won't have any issues with frequencies where he is. > > On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 12:04 PM Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net> > wrote: > >> so.. here is how things will break down for you >> >> to do 1G duplex links, you have a few choices.. >> 60ghz or 80ghz (very short links) >> or you do 24ghz (short to medium, depending on rain fade) >> 11ghz or 6ghz.. you need to have freq available, and will >> be looking at roughly $15k / link >> ( the pricing on 1G links in the range of >> $12k to $15k may change in depending on pricing announcement by >> Bridgewave's new radios). >> >> Now if the requirements were say sub 1G (500meg to 800meg) then you have >> a few more options >> which can be in the range of $3k to $7k per link >> >> Bigger challenge will be finding enough licensed spectrum to do what is >> needed. >> >> Best of luck. >> >> Regards. >> >> Faisal Imtiaz >> Snappy Internet & Telecom >> http://www.snappytelecom.net >> >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518> >> >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email: >> supp...@snappytelecom.net >> >> -- >> >> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> >> *To: *"Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com> >> *Sent: *Friday, February 23, 2018 12:49:31 PM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective... >> >> Not familiar with this productwill download specs >> >> Jaime Solorza >> >> On Feb 23, 2018 9:56 AM, "Dave" <dmilho...@wletc.com> wrote: >> >>> Bang it out with PTP820C ring >>> Most of the switching is now for doing such a thing is built right into >>> the ODU if you go all outdoor. >>> They do make a split unit or an all indoor unit as well. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 02/23/2018 10:30 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote: >>> >>> That is what I was thinking...4 P2P links and tie them in at office...I >>> wonder if you could colocate 4 11GHz links successfully? >>> >>> Jaime Solorza >>> >>> On Feb 23, 2018 9:07 AM, "Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> If budget isn't a problem, I would put up P2P to every location in a >>>> ring topology. A little routing or switch magic (your preference) and you >>>> have a redundant setup. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:03 AM Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I would assume that you can add a fourth location... >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 9:00 AM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> CL has an option called Fiber Plus that will give them a gig at three >>>>>> locations. ISPs are not eligible, as it no longer allows resale. If >>>>>> they >>>>>> can get that deal, it would be your best bet. They tie everything >>>>>> together >>>>>> on a VLAN. >>>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza < >>>>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Going to have a meeting with company that has a 1GBps feed to office >>>>>>> from CenturyLink. They have four remote locations (4.1, 4.4, 6.2 and >>>>>>> 9.1 >>>>>>> miles ) from office. All are west and with a 60 degree span if I was >>>>>>> using a sectored antenna. On email, they indicated they want licensed >>>>>>> links and want to deliver 1GBps to each location. Not sure if they are >>>>>>> adding more CenturyLink feeds to provide 1Gig to each site. I wonder >>>>>>> what >>>>>>> you guys would recommend? I know it's a energy company and Pecan farm >>>>>>> outfit in eastern NM. Let's say they have good budget , dazzle me with >>>>>>> your suggestions? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jaime Solorza >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> -- >>> >> >
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I am not sure where is the location.. but don't be surprised, the Cell Co's have been chewing up licensed spectrum like crazy with their LTE deployments. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 1:11:54 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective... > I bet he won't have any issues with frequencies where he is. > On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 12:04 PM Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net > > wrote: >> so.. here is how things will break down for you >> to do 1G duplex links, you have a few choices.. >> 60ghz or 80ghz (very short links) >> or you do 24ghz (short to medium, depending on rain fade) >> 11ghz or 6ghz.. you need to have freq available, and will be looking at >> roughly >> $15k / link >> ( the pricing on 1G links in the range of $12k to $15k may change in >> depending >> on pricing announcement by Bridgewave's new radios). >> Now if the requirements were say sub 1G (500meg to 800meg) then you have a >> few >> more options >> which can be in the range of $3k to $7k per link >> Bigger challenge will be finding enough licensed spectrum to do what is >> needed. >> Best of luck. >> Regards. >> Faisal Imtiaz >> Snappy Internet & Telecom >> http://www.snappytelecom.net >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >>> From: "Jaime Solorza" < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > >>> To: "Animal Farm" < af@afmug.com > >>> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 12:49:31 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective... >>> Not familiar with this productwill download specs >>> Jaime Solorza >>> On Feb 23, 2018 9:56 AM, "Dave" < dmilho...@wletc.com > wrote: >>>> Bang it out with PTP820C ring >>>> Most of the switching is now for doing such a thing is built right into >>>> the ODU >>>> if you go all outdoor. >>>> They do make a split unit or an all indoor unit as well. >>>> On 02/23/2018 10:30 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote: >>>>> That is what I was thinking...4 P2P links and tie them in at office...I >>>>> wonder >>>>> if you could colocate 4 11GHz links successfully? >>>>> Jaime Solorza >>>>> On Feb 23, 2018 9:07 AM, "Lewis Bergman" < lewis.berg...@gmail.com > >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> If budget isn't a problem, I would put up P2P to every location in a ring >>>>>> topology. A little routing or switch magic (your preference) and you >>>>>> have a >>>>>> redundant setup. >>>>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:03 AM Jeremy < jeremysmi...@gmail.com > wrote: >>>>>>> I would assume that you can add a fourth location... >>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 9:00 AM, Jeremy < jeremysmi...@gmail.com > >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> CL has an option called Fiber Plus that will give them a gig at three >>>>>>>> locations. >>>>>>>> ISPs are not eligible, as it no longer allows resale. If they can get >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> deal, it would be your best bet. They tie everything together on a >>>>>>>> VLAN. >>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza < >>>>>>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com > >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Going to have a meeting with company that has a 1GBps feed to office >>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>> CenturyLink. They have four remote locations (4.1, 4.4, 6.2 and 9.1 >>>>>>>>> miles ) >>>>>>>>> from office. All are west and with a 60 degree span if I was using a >>>>>>>>> sectored >>>>>>>>> antenna. On email, they indicated they want licensed links and want >>>>>>>>> to deliver >>>>>>>>> 1GBps to each location. Not sure if they are adding more CenturyLink >>>>>>>>> feeds to >>>>>>>>> provide 1Gig to each site. I wonder what you guys would recommend? I >>>>>>>>> know it's >>>>>>>>> a energy company and Pecan farm outfit in eastern NM. Let's say they >>>>>>>>> have good >>>>>>>>> budget , dazzle me with your suggestions? >>>>>>>>> Jaime Solorza >>>> --
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I would do all the shots less than 7 miles in 18GHz if you can’t get 11GHz. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Carl Peterson Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 12:39 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective... For the shorter(4-5 mile) links you could do something like the Siklu EX2500 with 2' antennas and a hot fall over (This is a licensed feature but its cheap) They also have an antenna with integrated 5GHz so if you were doing the backup in 5GHz you could do it all on one antenna. The backup radio plugs into the Siklu and it does the fall over for you so you don't need to do that in routing etc. On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 2:05 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com<mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote: Yeah, if the actual requirements are a full duplex 1 gig link, then it's going to be expensive. It sounds like this is all going to be sharing the existing 1 gig fiber that they already have, so I suspect that it probably doesn't really need to be a full gig everywhere... if that's the case, then it can be done a lot cheaper, and with a lot less spectrum. An 11ghz radio on a single 80mhz channel can do over 600Mbps, and can be had relatively cheap. The cheapest way to get something that's close enough to a gig that won't matter to most people would be using B11's, but that's not full duplex, and it would burn up a LOT of spectrum... actually, I'm not sure if it would even be possible to run 4 B11 links that close to the same direction, even if the entire band is completely clear... On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 12:04 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net<mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net>> wrote: so.. here is how things will break down for you to do 1G duplex links, you have a few choices.. 60ghz or 80ghz (very short links) or you do 24ghz (short to medium, depending on rain fade) 11ghz or 6ghz.. you need to have freq available, and will be looking at roughly $15k / link ( the pricing on 1G links in the range of $12k to $15k may change in depending on pricing announcement by Bridgewave's new radios). Now if the requirements were say sub 1G (500meg to 800meg) then you have a few more options which can be in the range of $3k to $7k per link Bigger challenge will be finding enough licensed spectrum to do what is needed. Best of luck. Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232<tel:(305)%20663-5518> Help-desk: (305)663-5518<tel:(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net<mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net> From: "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 12:49:31 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective... Not familiar with this productwill download specs Jaime Solorza On Feb 23, 2018 9:56 AM, "Dave" <dmilho...@wletc.com<mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote: Bang it out with PTP820C ring Most of the switching is now for doing such a thing is built right into the ODU if you go all outdoor. They do make a split unit or an all indoor unit as well. On 02/23/2018 10:30 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote: That is what I was thinking...4 P2P links and tie them in at office...I wonder if you could colocate 4 11GHz links successfully? Jaime Solorza On Feb 23, 2018 9:07 AM, "Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com<mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>> wrote: If budget isn't a problem, I would put up P2P to every location in a ring topology. A little routing or switch magic (your preference) and you have a redundant setup. On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:03 AM Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com<mailto:jeremysmi...@gmail.com>> wrote: I would assume that you can add a fourth location... On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 9:00 AM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com<mailto:jeremysmi...@gmail.com>> wrote: CL has an option called Fiber Plus that will give them a gig at three locations. ISPs are not eligible, as it no longer allows resale. If they can get that deal, it would be your best bet. They tie everything together on a VLAN. On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote: Going to have a meeting with company that has a 1GBps feed to office from CenturyLink. They have four remote locations (4.1, 4.4, 6.2 and 9.1 miles ) from office. All are west and with a 60 degree span if I was using a sectored antenna. On email, they indicated they want licensed links and want to deliver 1GBps to each location. Not sure if they are adding more CenturyLink feeds to provide 1Gig to each site. I wond
Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...
For the shorter(4-5 mile) links you could do something like the Siklu EX2500 with 2' antennas and a hot fall over (This is a licensed feature but its cheap) They also have an antenna with integrated 5GHz so if you were doing the backup in 5GHz you could do it all on one antenna. The backup radio plugs into the Siklu and it does the fall over for you so you don't need to do that in routing etc. On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 2:05 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote: > Yeah, if the actual requirements are a full duplex 1 gig link, then it's > going to be expensive. It sounds like this is all going to be sharing the > existing 1 gig fiber that they already have, so I suspect that it probably > doesn't really need to be a full gig everywhere... if that's the case, then > it can be done a lot cheaper, and with a lot less spectrum. An 11ghz radio > on a single 80mhz channel can do over 600Mbps, and can be had relatively > cheap. > > The cheapest way to get something that's close enough to a gig that won't > matter to most people would be using B11's, but that's not full duplex, and > it would burn up a LOT of spectrum... actually, I'm not sure if it would > even be possible to run 4 B11 links that close to the same direction, even > if the entire band is completely clear... > > On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 12:04 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net> > wrote: > >> so.. here is how things will break down for you >> >> to do 1G duplex links, you have a few choices.. >> 60ghz or 80ghz (very short links) >> or you do 24ghz (short to medium, depending on rain fade) >> 11ghz or 6ghz.. you need to have freq available, and will >> be looking at roughly $15k / link >> ( the pricing on 1G links in the range of >> $12k to $15k may change in depending on pricing announcement by >> Bridgewave's new radios). >> >> Now if the requirements were say sub 1G (500meg to 800meg) then you have >> a few more options >> which can be in the range of $3k to $7k per link >> >> Bigger challenge will be finding enough licensed spectrum to do what is >> needed. >> >> Best of luck. >> >> Regards. >> >> Faisal Imtiaz >> Snappy Internet & Telecom >> http://www.snappytelecom.net >> >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518> >> >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email: >> supp...@snappytelecom.net >> >> -- >> >> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> >> *To: *"Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com> >> *Sent: *Friday, February 23, 2018 12:49:31 PM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective... >> >> Not familiar with this productwill download specs >> >> Jaime Solorza >> >> On Feb 23, 2018 9:56 AM, "Dave" <dmilho...@wletc.com> wrote: >> >>> Bang it out with PTP820C ring >>> Most of the switching is now for doing such a thing is built right into >>> the ODU if you go all outdoor. >>> They do make a split unit or an all indoor unit as well. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 02/23/2018 10:30 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote: >>> >>> That is what I was thinking...4 P2P links and tie them in at office...I >>> wonder if you could colocate 4 11GHz links successfully? >>> >>> Jaime Solorza >>> >>> On Feb 23, 2018 9:07 AM, "Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> If budget isn't a problem, I would put up P2P to every location in a >>>> ring topology. A little routing or switch magic (your preference) and you >>>> have a redundant setup. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:03 AM Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I would assume that you can add a fourth location... >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 9:00 AM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> CL has an option called Fiber Plus that will give them a gig at three >>>>>> locations. ISPs are not eligible, as it no longer allows resale. If >>>>>> they >>>>>> can get that deal, it would be your best bet. They tie everything >>>>>> together >>>>>> on a VLAN. >>>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza < >>>>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Going to have a meeting with company that has a 1GBps feed to office >>>>>>> from CenturyLink. They have four remote locations (4.1, 4.4, 6.2 and >>>>>>> 9.1 >>>>>>> miles ) from office. All are west and with a 60 degree span if I was >>>>>>> using a sectored antenna. On email, they indicated they want licensed >>>>>>> links and want to deliver 1GBps to each location. Not sure if they are >>>>>>> adding more CenturyLink feeds to provide 1Gig to each site. I wonder >>>>>>> what >>>>>>> you guys would recommend? I know it's a energy company and Pecan farm >>>>>>> outfit in eastern NM. Let's say they have good budget , dazzle me with >>>>>>> your suggestions? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jaime Solorza >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> -- >>> >> >> > -- Carl Peterson *PORT NETWORKS* 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 Baltimore, MD 21202 (410) 637-3707
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Yeah, if the actual requirements are a full duplex 1 gig link, then it's going to be expensive. It sounds like this is all going to be sharing the existing 1 gig fiber that they already have, so I suspect that it probably doesn't really need to be a full gig everywhere... if that's the case, then it can be done a lot cheaper, and with a lot less spectrum. An 11ghz radio on a single 80mhz channel can do over 600Mbps, and can be had relatively cheap. The cheapest way to get something that's close enough to a gig that won't matter to most people would be using B11's, but that's not full duplex, and it would burn up a LOT of spectrum... actually, I'm not sure if it would even be possible to run 4 B11 links that close to the same direction, even if the entire band is completely clear... On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 12:04 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote: > so.. here is how things will break down for you > > to do 1G duplex links, you have a few choices.. > 60ghz or 80ghz (very short links) > or you do 24ghz (short to medium, depending on rain fade) > 11ghz or 6ghz.. you need to have freq available, and will > be looking at roughly $15k / link > ( the pricing on 1G links in the range of > $12k to $15k may change in depending on pricing announcement by > Bridgewave's new radios). > > Now if the requirements were say sub 1G (500meg to 800meg) then you have > a few more options > which can be in the range of $3k to $7k per link > > Bigger challenge will be finding enough licensed spectrum to do what is > needed. > > Best of luck. > > Regards. > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > http://www.snappytelecom.net > > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518> > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email: > supp...@snappytelecom.net > > -- > > *From: *"Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > *To: *"Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com> > *Sent: *Friday, February 23, 2018 12:49:31 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective... > > Not familiar with this productwill download specs > > Jaime Solorza > > On Feb 23, 2018 9:56 AM, "Dave" <dmilho...@wletc.com> wrote: > >> Bang it out with PTP820C ring >> Most of the switching is now for doing such a thing is built right into >> the ODU if you go all outdoor. >> They do make a split unit or an all indoor unit as well. >> >> >> >> On 02/23/2018 10:30 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote: >> >> That is what I was thinking...4 P2P links and tie them in at office...I >> wonder if you could colocate 4 11GHz links successfully? >> >> Jaime Solorza >> >> On Feb 23, 2018 9:07 AM, "Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> If budget isn't a problem, I would put up P2P to every location in a >>> ring topology. A little routing or switch magic (your preference) and you >>> have a redundant setup. >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:03 AM Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I would assume that you can add a fourth location... >>>> >>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 9:00 AM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> CL has an option called Fiber Plus that will give them a gig at three >>>>> locations. ISPs are not eligible, as it no longer allows resale. If they >>>>> can get that deal, it would be your best bet. They tie everything >>>>> together >>>>> on a VLAN. >>>>> >>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza < >>>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Going to have a meeting with company that has a 1GBps feed to office >>>>>> from CenturyLink. They have four remote locations (4.1, 4.4, 6.2 and >>>>>> 9.1 >>>>>> miles ) from office. All are west and with a 60 degree span if I was >>>>>> using a sectored antenna. On email, they indicated they want licensed >>>>>> links and want to deliver 1GBps to each location. Not sure if they are >>>>>> adding more CenturyLink feeds to provide 1Gig to each site. I wonder >>>>>> what >>>>>> you guys would recommend? I know it's a energy company and Pecan farm >>>>>> outfit in eastern NM. Let's say they have good budget , dazzle me with >>>>>> your suggestions? >>>>>> >>>>>> Jaime Solorza >>>>>> >>>>> >> -- >> > >
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I bet he won't have any issues with frequencies where he is. On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 12:04 PM Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote: > so.. here is how things will break down for you > > to do 1G duplex links, you have a few choices.. > 60ghz or 80ghz (very short links) > or you do 24ghz (short to medium, depending on rain fade) > 11ghz or 6ghz.. you need to have freq available, and will > be looking at roughly $15k / link > ( the pricing on 1G links in the range of > $12k to $15k may change in depending on pricing announcement by > Bridgewave's new radios). > > Now if the requirements were say sub 1G (500meg to 800meg) then you have > a few more options > which can be in the range of $3k to $7k per link > > Bigger challenge will be finding enough licensed spectrum to do what is > needed. > > Best of luck. > > Regards. > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > http://www.snappytelecom.net > > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518> > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email: > supp...@snappytelecom.net > > -- > > *From: *"Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > *To: *"Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com> > *Sent: *Friday, February 23, 2018 12:49:31 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective... > > Not familiar with this productwill download specs > > Jaime Solorza > > On Feb 23, 2018 9:56 AM, "Dave" <dmilho...@wletc.com> wrote: > >> Bang it out with PTP820C ring >> Most of the switching is now for doing such a thing is built right into >> the ODU if you go all outdoor. >> They do make a split unit or an all indoor unit as well. >> >> >> >> On 02/23/2018 10:30 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote: >> >> That is what I was thinking...4 P2P links and tie them in at office...I >> wonder if you could colocate 4 11GHz links successfully? >> >> Jaime Solorza >> >> On Feb 23, 2018 9:07 AM, "Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> If budget isn't a problem, I would put up P2P to every location in a >>> ring topology. A little routing or switch magic (your preference) and you >>> have a redundant setup. >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:03 AM Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I would assume that you can add a fourth location... >>>> >>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 9:00 AM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> CL has an option called Fiber Plus that will give them a gig at three >>>>> locations. ISPs are not eligible, as it no longer allows resale. If they >>>>> can get that deal, it would be your best bet. They tie everything >>>>> together >>>>> on a VLAN. >>>>> >>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza < >>>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Going to have a meeting with company that has a 1GBps feed to office >>>>>> from CenturyLink. They have four remote locations (4.1, 4.4, 6.2 and >>>>>> 9.1 >>>>>> miles ) from office. All are west and with a 60 degree span if I was >>>>>> using a sectored antenna. On email, they indicated they want licensed >>>>>> links and want to deliver 1GBps to each location. Not sure if they are >>>>>> adding more CenturyLink feeds to provide 1Gig to each site. I wonder >>>>>> what >>>>>> you guys would recommend? I know it's a energy company and Pecan farm >>>>>> outfit in eastern NM. Let's say they have good budget , dazzle me with >>>>>> your suggestions? >>>>>> >>>>>> Jaime Solorza >>>>>> >>>>> >> -- >> >
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so.. here is how things will break down for you to do 1G duplex links, you have a few choices.. 60ghz or 80ghz (very short links) or you do 24ghz (short to medium, depending on rain fade) 11ghz or 6ghz.. you need to have freq available, and will be looking at roughly $15k / link ( the pricing on 1G links in the range of $12k to $15k may change in depending on pricing announcement by Bridgewave's new radios). Now if the requirements were say sub 1G (500meg to 800meg) then you have a few more options which can be in the range of $3k to $7k per link Bigger challenge will be finding enough licensed spectrum to do what is needed. Best of luck. Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com> > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 12:49:31 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective... > Not familiar with this productwill download specs > Jaime Solorza > On Feb 23, 2018 9:56 AM, "Dave" < dmilho...@wletc.com > wrote: >> Bang it out with PTP820C ring >> Most of the switching is now for doing such a thing is built right into the >> ODU >> if you go all outdoor. >> They do make a split unit or an all indoor unit as well. >> On 02/23/2018 10:30 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote: >>> That is what I was thinking...4 P2P links and tie them in at office...I >>> wonder >>> if you could colocate 4 11GHz links successfully? >>> Jaime Solorza >>> On Feb 23, 2018 9:07 AM, "Lewis Bergman" < lewis.berg...@gmail.com > wrote: >>>> If budget isn't a problem, I would put up P2P to every location in a ring >>>> topology. A little routing or switch magic (your preference) and you have a >>>> redundant setup. >>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:03 AM Jeremy < jeremysmi...@gmail.com > wrote: >>>>> I would assume that you can add a fourth location... >>>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 9:00 AM, Jeremy < jeremysmi...@gmail.com > wrote: >>>>>> CL has an option called Fiber Plus that will give them a gig at three >>>>>> locations. >>>>>> ISPs are not eligible, as it no longer allows resale. If they can get >>>>>> that >>>>>> deal, it would be your best bet. They tie everything together on a VLAN. >>>>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza < >>>>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com > >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> Going to have a meeting with company that has a 1GBps feed to office >>>>>>> from >>>>>>> CenturyLink. They have four remote locations (4.1, 4.4, 6.2 and 9.1 >>>>>>> miles ) >>>>>>> from office. All are west and with a 60 degree span if I was using a >>>>>>> sectored >>>>>>> antenna. On email, they indicated they want licensed links and want to >>>>>>> deliver >>>>>>> 1GBps to each location. Not sure if they are adding more CenturyLink >>>>>>> feeds to >>>>>>> provide 1Gig to each site. I wonder what you guys would recommend? I >>>>>>> know it's >>>>>>> a energy company and Pecan farm outfit in eastern NM. Let's say they >>>>>>> have good >>>>>>> budget , dazzle me with your suggestions? >>>>>>> Jaime Solorza >> --
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Not familiar with this productwill download specs Jaime Solorza On Feb 23, 2018 9:56 AM, "Dave"wrote: > Bang it out with PTP820C ring > Most of the switching is now for doing such a thing is built right into > the ODU if you go all outdoor. > They do make a split unit or an all indoor unit as well. > > > > On 02/23/2018 10:30 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote: > > That is what I was thinking...4 P2P links and tie them in at office...I > wonder if you could colocate 4 11GHz links successfully? > > Jaime Solorza > > On Feb 23, 2018 9:07 AM, "Lewis Bergman" wrote: > >> If budget isn't a problem, I would put up P2P to every location in a ring >> topology. A little routing or switch magic (your preference) and you have a >> redundant setup. >> >> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:03 AM Jeremy wrote: >> >>> I would assume that you can add a fourth location... >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 9:00 AM, Jeremy wrote: >>> CL has an option called Fiber Plus that will give them a gig at three locations. ISPs are not eligible, as it no longer allows resale. If they can get that deal, it would be your best bet. They tie everything together on a VLAN. >>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza < losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote: > Going to have a meeting with company that has a 1GBps feed to office > from CenturyLink. They have four remote locations (4.1, 4.4, 6.2 and 9.1 > miles ) from office. All are west and with a 60 degree span if I was > using a sectored antenna. On email, they indicated they want licensed > links and want to deliver 1GBps to each location. Not sure if they are > adding more CenturyLink feeds to provide 1Gig to each site. I wonder what > you guys would recommend? I know it's a energy company and Pecan farm > outfit in eastern NM. Let's say they have good budget , dazzle me with > your suggestions? > > Jaime Solorza > > -- >
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Bang it out with PTP820C ring Most of the switching is now for doing such a thing is built right into the ODU if you go all outdoor. They do make a split unit or an all indoor unit as well. On 02/23/2018 10:30 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote: That is what I was thinking...4 P2P links and tie them in at office...I wonder if you could colocate 4 11GHz links successfully? Jaime Solorza On Feb 23, 2018 9:07 AM, "Lewis Bergman"> wrote: If budget isn't a problem, I would put up P2P to every location in a ring topology. A little routing or switch magic (your preference) and you have a redundant setup. On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:03 AM Jeremy > wrote: I would assume that you can add a fourth location... On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 9:00 AM, Jeremy > wrote: CL has an option called Fiber Plus that will give them a gig at three locations. ISPs are not eligible, as it no longer allows resale. If they can get that deal, it would be your best bet. They tie everything together on a VLAN. On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza > wrote: Going to have a meeting with company that has a 1GBps feed to office from CenturyLink. They have four remote locations (4.1, 4.4, 6.2 and 9.1 miles ) from office. All are west and with a 60 degree span if I was using a sectored antenna. On email, they indicated they want licensed links and want to deliver 1GBps to each location. Not sure if they are adding more CenturyLink feeds to provide 1Gig to each site. I wonder what you guys would recommend? I know it's a energy company and Pecan farm outfit in eastern NM. Let's say they have good budget , dazzle me with your suggestions? Jaime Solorza --
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Yes I am considering that as well...I am getting KMZ files later today Jaime Solorza On Feb 23, 2018 9:38 AM, "Mathew Howard"wrote: That's a good point... there's also potential that you could have even shorter links between some of the others... like if the 4.1 an 4.4 mile joints were actually only .3 miles apart, that opens up all sorts of options. On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:33 AM, Steve Jones wrote: > Is this just public connectivity or inner connectivity also? Lewis has the > right idea, inner connect with redundancies, that 9.1 miles isnt > necessarily a 9.1 mile shot if there are midpoint in the other facilities. > ideally it would be 2.9 from the 6.2 joint. staying under 5 miles keeps you > in happy antennas > > On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:07 AM, Lewis Bergman > wrote: > >> If budget isn't a problem, I would put up P2P to every location in a ring >> topology. A little routing or switch magic (your preference) and you have a >> redundant setup. >> >> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:03 AM Jeremy wrote: >> >>> I would assume that you can add a fourth location... >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 9:00 AM, Jeremy wrote: >>> CL has an option called Fiber Plus that will give them a gig at three locations. ISPs are not eligible, as it no longer allows resale. If they can get that deal, it would be your best bet. They tie everything together on a VLAN. >>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza < losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote: > Going to have a meeting with company that has a 1GBps feed to office > from CenturyLink. They have four remote locations (4.1, 4.4, 6.2 and 9.1 > miles ) from office. All are west and with a 60 degree span if I was > using a sectored antenna. On email, they indicated they want licensed > links and want to deliver 1GBps to each location. Not sure if they are > adding more CenturyLink feeds to provide 1Gig to each site. I wonder what > you guys would recommend? I know it's a energy company and Pecan farm > outfit in eastern NM. Let's say they have good budget , dazzle me with > your suggestions? > > Jaime Solorza > >
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That's a good point... there's also potential that you could have even shorter links between some of the others... like if the 4.1 an 4.4 mile joints were actually only .3 miles apart, that opens up all sorts of options. On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:33 AM, Steve Joneswrote: > Is this just public connectivity or inner connectivity also? Lewis has the > right idea, inner connect with redundancies, that 9.1 miles isnt > necessarily a 9.1 mile shot if there are midpoint in the other facilities. > ideally it would be 2.9 from the 6.2 joint. staying under 5 miles keeps you > in happy antennas > > On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:07 AM, Lewis Bergman > wrote: > >> If budget isn't a problem, I would put up P2P to every location in a ring >> topology. A little routing or switch magic (your preference) and you have a >> redundant setup. >> >> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:03 AM Jeremy wrote: >> >>> I would assume that you can add a fourth location... >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 9:00 AM, Jeremy wrote: >>> CL has an option called Fiber Plus that will give them a gig at three locations. ISPs are not eligible, as it no longer allows resale. If they can get that deal, it would be your best bet. They tie everything together on a VLAN. >>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza < losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote: > Going to have a meeting with company that has a 1GBps feed to office > from CenturyLink. They have four remote locations (4.1, 4.4, 6.2 and 9.1 > miles ) from office. All are west and with a 60 degree span if I was > using a sectored antenna. On email, they indicated they want licensed > links and want to deliver 1GBps to each location. Not sure if they are > adding more CenturyLink feeds to provide 1Gig to each site. I wonder what > you guys would recommend? I know it's a energy company and Pecan farm > outfit in eastern NM. Let's say they have good budget , dazzle me with > your suggestions? > > Jaime Solorza > >
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Is this just public connectivity or inner connectivity also? Lewis has the right idea, inner connect with redundancies, that 9.1 miles isnt necessarily a 9.1 mile shot if there are midpoint in the other facilities. ideally it would be 2.9 from the 6.2 joint. staying under 5 miles keeps you in happy antennas On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:07 AM, Lewis Bergmanwrote: > If budget isn't a problem, I would put up P2P to every location in a ring > topology. A little routing or switch magic (your preference) and you have a > redundant setup. > > On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:03 AM Jeremy wrote: > >> I would assume that you can add a fourth location... >> >> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 9:00 AM, Jeremy wrote: >> >>> CL has an option called Fiber Plus that will give them a gig at three >>> locations. ISPs are not eligible, as it no longer allows resale. If they >>> can get that deal, it would be your best bet. They tie everything together >>> on a VLAN. >>> >> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza >> > wrote: >>> Going to have a meeting with company that has a 1GBps feed to office from CenturyLink. They have four remote locations (4.1, 4.4, 6.2 and 9.1 miles ) from office. All are west and with a 60 degree span if I was using a sectored antenna. On email, they indicated they want licensed links and want to deliver 1GBps to each location. Not sure if they are adding more CenturyLink feeds to provide 1Gig to each site. I wonder what you guys would recommend? I know it's a energy company and Pecan farm outfit in eastern NM. Let's say they have good budget , dazzle me with your suggestions? Jaime Solorza >>>
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That is what I was thinking...4 P2P links and tie them in at office...I wonder if you could colocate 4 11GHz links successfully? Jaime Solorza On Feb 23, 2018 9:07 AM, "Lewis Bergman"wrote: > If budget isn't a problem, I would put up P2P to every location in a ring > topology. A little routing or switch magic (your preference) and you have a > redundant setup. > > On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:03 AM Jeremy wrote: > >> I would assume that you can add a fourth location... >> >> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 9:00 AM, Jeremy wrote: >> >>> CL has an option called Fiber Plus that will give them a gig at three >>> locations. ISPs are not eligible, as it no longer allows resale. If they >>> can get that deal, it would be your best bet. They tie everything together >>> on a VLAN. >>> >> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza >> > wrote: >>> Going to have a meeting with company that has a 1GBps feed to office from CenturyLink. They have four remote locations (4.1, 4.4, 6.2 and 9.1 miles ) from office. All are west and with a 60 degree span if I was using a sectored antenna. On email, they indicated they want licensed links and want to deliver 1GBps to each location. Not sure if they are adding more CenturyLink feeds to provide 1Gig to each site. I wonder what you guys would recommend? I know it's a energy company and Pecan farm outfit in eastern NM. Let's say they have good budget , dazzle me with your suggestions? Jaime Solorza >>>
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If budget isn't a problem, I would put up P2P to every location in a ring topology. A little routing or switch magic (your preference) and you have a redundant setup. On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:03 AM Jeremywrote: > I would assume that you can add a fourth location... > > On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 9:00 AM, Jeremy wrote: > >> CL has an option called Fiber Plus that will give them a gig at three >> locations. ISPs are not eligible, as it no longer allows resale. If they >> can get that deal, it would be your best bet. They tie everything together >> on a VLAN. >> > On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza >> wrote: >> >>> Going to have a meeting with company that has a 1GBps feed to office >>> from CenturyLink. They have four remote locations (4.1, 4.4, 6.2 and 9.1 >>> miles ) from office. All are west and with a 60 degree span if I was >>> using a sectored antenna. On email, they indicated they want licensed >>> links and want to deliver 1GBps to each location. Not sure if they are >>> adding more CenturyLink feeds to provide 1Gig to each site. I wonder what >>> you guys would recommend? I know it's a energy company and Pecan farm >>> outfit in eastern NM. Let's say they have good budget , dazzle me with >>> your suggestions? >>> >>> Jaime Solorza >>> >>
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I would assume that you can add a fourth location... On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 9:00 AM, Jeremywrote: > CL has an option called Fiber Plus that will give them a gig at three > locations. ISPs are not eligible, as it no longer allows resale. If they > can get that deal, it would be your best bet. They tie everything together > on a VLAN. > > On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza > wrote: > >> Going to have a meeting with company that has a 1GBps feed to office from >> CenturyLink. They have four remote locations (4.1, 4.4, 6.2 and 9.1 miles >> ) from office. All are west and with a 60 degree span if I was using a >> sectored antenna. On email, they indicated they want licensed links and >> want to deliver 1GBps to each location. Not sure if they are adding more >> CenturyLink feeds to provide 1Gig to each site. I wonder what you guys >> would recommend? I know it's a energy company and Pecan farm outfit in >> eastern NM. Let's say they have good budget , dazzle me with your >> suggestions? >> >> Jaime Solorza >> > >
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CL has an option called Fiber Plus that will give them a gig at three locations. ISPs are not eligible, as it no longer allows resale. If they can get that deal, it would be your best bet. They tie everything together on a VLAN. On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorzawrote: > Going to have a meeting with company that has a 1GBps feed to office from > CenturyLink. They have four remote locations (4.1, 4.4, 6.2 and 9.1 miles > ) from office. All are west and with a 60 degree span if I was using a > sectored antenna. On email, they indicated they want licensed links and > want to deliver 1GBps to each location. Not sure if they are adding more > CenturyLink feeds to provide 1Gig to each site. I wonder what you guys > would recommend? I know it's a energy company and Pecan farm outfit in > eastern NM. Let's say they have good budget , dazzle me with your > suggestions? > > Jaime Solorza >