Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Rory Conaway]

We don’t have concrete but we do have blocks and non-pens, 3 different types.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 9:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

You carry concrete, poles, cinder blocks, and non-pens at all times?  That is 
pretty amazing.  We usually qualify those type of jobs in advance, run back to 
grab parts, or reschedule.  What is this 'power auger' that you speak of?

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Mark Radabaugh 
<m...@amplex.net<mailto:m...@amplex.net>> wrote:
There is no way in hell I would ever want to work out of those vans, and there 
is no way to get all the equipment we carry in one.

32’ ladder, 28’ ladder, cable, Canopy gear in FSK 5.7 and 2.4, 430 5.7, 450 in 
900, 2.4, 3.65 integrated and connectorized, 5.7 integrated and connectorizied. 
 Ubiquiti in various flavors.  Antenna’s and power supplies for all of the 
above.  Non-Pen mounts, regular mounts, roof mounts, power supplies for all of 
the above.  Concrete and poles.  Concrete blocks for non-pen mount.  Power 
auger, post hole digger, indoor and outdoor wire and cable, tools, indoor 
supplies (wall plates, punchdowns, etc).  We would have to tow a trailer to 
carry all of that with that van - or spend hours a day digging through the 
gigantic mess in the back of the van.

One trip and done.

Mark

On Oct 18, 2016, at 9:55 AM, Rory Conaway 
<r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2007-Ford-E-Series-Van-Base-Standard-Cargo-Van-2-Door-/182318024875?forcerrptr=true=item2a730048ab:g:-WcAAOSw-CpYBUjz=182318024875

Here is one with 36,000 miles.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 6:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

For what you pay for a new van, you can by 3 fully equipped vans with 100,000 
miles on them and still expense it.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 6:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

Lease is a straight expense on the books and you get new equipment every few 
years - but there are significant upfit costs that you lose each time you 
exchange the van.  Sure they can be built into the lease - but your still 
paying for it.

If you buy you would normally depreciate but IRS Section 179 lets you expense 
the entire thing if you want to.   Sometimes that just means you are kicking 
the tax can down the road.

I usually finance them over 48 months and figure approximately 40k with upfit.  
The last couple have been closer to 45k all in.   The oldest ones (the 
Sprinters) are about 7 years old now and were expensed and paid for long ago.   
Anything we get out of them now is just a bonus.   I prefer newer equipment for 
the trucks as it’s a significant expense and hassle when one breaks down and we 
have to reschedule work and/or have someone sitting around without a vehicle.  
The PR value of having decent looking equipment with good graphics and the 
ability to carry all of the assorted equipment to do the job in one truck roll 
is worth the extra expense.

Mark

On Oct 17, 2016, at 8:27 PM, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

I've been buying, feels like it makes more sense.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Oct 17, 2016 8:22 PM, "Bill Prince" 
<part15...@gmail.com<mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I think you can still write it off, but you have to do it via depreciation, 
etc. Leases are just much simpler.


bp

<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>


On 10/17/2016 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Why can't you write off that?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Oct 17, 2016 8:17 PM, "Rory Conaway" 
<r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
If you aren’t taking the writeoff on leasing or purchasing, a far better value 
is getting an E-150 with 60-100K miles for $15K fully loaded with shelves, 
ladder racks, inverters, and other things we normally have to add.  eBay has 
them all the time.  Considering the drive train should last 300-500K miles 
(mines at 393K miles and runs like a top), it’s a massive savings.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 4:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

That sure sounds like Transit wins in your book =)

I'll get with you someday soon to figure out a time if that works for you.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Ken Hohhof]

But in winter, the blocks are useful for another reason.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 12:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

 

Ok - maybe not the blocks all of the time :-)

 

Auger is a one man post hole digger with a 8” diameter bit - something like 
this: 
http://www.drpower.com/power-equipment/lawn-and-garden/yard-maintenance/augers/1-person-earth-auger.axd?ctm_id=27747
 
<http://www.drpower.com/power-equipment/lawn-and-garden/yard-maintenance/augers/1-person-earth-auger.axd?ctm_id=27747=AW90501XE3663309=CjwKEAjwkJfABRDnhbPlx6WI4ncSJADMQqxdaUyKABTy5ulmDiahBpak-yzghgc1NMBG2I4OuhisoBoCo1Dw_wcB>
 
=AW90501XE3663309=CjwKEAjwkJfABRDnhbPlx6WI4ncSJADMQqxdaUyKABTy5ulmDiahBpak-yzghgc1NMBG2I4OuhisoBoCo1Dw_wcB

 

No idea if that is a good one or not - I can’t find the ones we bought anymore. 
 It’s a 4 cycle so you don’t have to worry about guys mixing oil (or not mixing 
oil).   Of course our biggest screwup installer (long gone) who I would have 
thought most likely to forget to put oil in a 2-cycle was the one who decided 
to put 2-cycle oil in the 4-cycle engine and then complained it didn’t start 
well and smoked a lot.

 

Mark

 

 

On Oct 18, 2016, at 12:57 PM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com 
<mailto:jeremysmi...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

You carry concrete, poles, cinder blocks, and non-pens at all times?  That is 
pretty amazing.  We usually qualify those type of jobs in advance, run back to 
grab parts, or reschedule.  What is this 'power auger' that you speak of?

 

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net 
<mailto:m...@amplex.net> > wrote:

There is no way in hell I would ever want to work out of those vans, and there 
is no way to get all the equipment we carry in one.   

 

32’ ladder, 28’ ladder, cable, Canopy gear in FSK 5.7 and 2.4, 430 5.7, 450 in 
900, 2.4, 3.65 integrated and connectorized, 5.7 integrated and connectorizied. 
 Ubiquiti in various flavors.  Antenna’s and power supplies for all of the 
above.  Non-Pen mounts, regular mounts, roof mounts, power supplies for all of 
the above.  Concrete and poles.  Concrete blocks for non-pen mount.  Power 
auger, post hole digger, indoor and outdoor wire and cable, tools, indoor 
supplies (wall plates, punchdowns, etc).  We would have to tow a trailer to 
carry all of that with that van - or spend hours a day digging through the 
gigantic mess in the back of the van.

 

One trip and done.

 

Mark

 

On Oct 18, 2016, at 9:55 AM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net 
<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net> > wrote:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2007-Ford-E-Series-Van-Base-Standard-Cargo-Van-2-Door-/182318024875?forcerrptr=true
 
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/2007-Ford-E-Series-Van-Base-Standard-Cargo-Van-2-Door-/182318024875?forcerrptr=true=item2a730048ab:g:-WcAAOSw-CpYBUjz=182318024875>
 =item2a730048ab:g:-WcAAOSw-CpYBUjz=182318024875

 

Here is one with 36,000 miles.

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 6:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

 

For what you pay for a new van, you can by 3 fully equipped vans with 100,000 
miles on them and still expense it.

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 6:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

 

Lease is a straight expense on the books and you get new equipment every few 
years - but there are significant upfit costs that you lose each time you 
exchange the van.  Sure they can be built into the lease - but your still 
paying for it.

 

If you buy you would normally depreciate but IRS Section 179 lets you expense 
the entire thing if you want to.   Sometimes that just means you are kicking 
the tax can down the road.

 

I usually finance them over 48 months and figure approximately 40k with upfit.  
The last couple have been closer to 45k all in.   The oldest ones (the 
Sprinters) are about 7 years old now and were expensed and paid for long ago.   
Anything we get out of them now is just a bonus.   I prefer newer equipment for 
the trucks as it’s a significant expense and hassle when one breaks down and we 
have to reschedule work and/or have someone sitting around without a vehicle.  
The PR value of having decent looking equipment with good graphics and the 
ability to carry all of the assorted equipment to do the job in one truck roll 
is worth the extra expense.

 

Mark

 

On Oct 17, 2016, at 8:27 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

 

I've been buying, feels like it makes more sense.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340  
Direct: 937-552-2343  
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, 

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Mark Radabaugh]

Ok - maybe not the blocks all of the time :-)

Auger is a one man post hole digger with a 8” diameter bit - something like 
this: 
http://www.drpower.com/power-equipment/lawn-and-garden/yard-maintenance/augers/1-person-earth-auger.axd?ctm_id=27747=AW90501XE3663309=CjwKEAjwkJfABRDnhbPlx6WI4ncSJADMQqxdaUyKABTy5ulmDiahBpak-yzghgc1NMBG2I4OuhisoBoCo1Dw_wcB

No idea if that is a good one or not - I can’t find the ones we bought anymore. 
 It’s a 4 cycle so you don’t have to worry about guys mixing oil (or not mixing 
oil).   Of course our biggest screwup installer (long gone) who I would have 
thought most likely to forget to put oil in a 2-cycle was the one who decided 
to put 2-cycle oil in the 4-cycle engine and then complained it didn’t start 
well and smoked a lot.

Mark


> On Oct 18, 2016, at 12:57 PM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> You carry concrete, poles, cinder blocks, and non-pens at all times?  That is 
> pretty amazing.  We usually qualify those type of jobs in advance, run back 
> to grab parts, or reschedule.  What is this 'power auger' that you speak of?
> 
> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net 
> <mailto:m...@amplex.net>> wrote:
> There is no way in hell I would ever want to work out of those vans, and 
> there is no way to get all the equipment we carry in one.   
> 
> 32’ ladder, 28’ ladder, cable, Canopy gear in FSK 5.7 and 2.4, 430 5.7, 450 
> in 900, 2.4, 3.65 integrated and connectorized, 5.7 integrated and 
> connectorizied.  Ubiquiti in various flavors.  Antenna’s and power supplies 
> for all of the above.  Non-Pen mounts, regular mounts, roof mounts, power 
> supplies for all of the above.  Concrete and poles.  Concrete blocks for 
> non-pen mount.  Power auger, post hole digger, indoor and outdoor wire and 
> cable, tools, indoor supplies (wall plates, punchdowns, etc).  We would have 
> to tow a trailer to carry all of that with that van - or spend hours a day 
> digging through the gigantic mess in the back of the van.
> 
> One trip and done.
> 
> Mark
> 
>> On Oct 18, 2016, at 9:55 AM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net 
>> <mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/2007-Ford-E-Series-Van-Base-Standard-Cargo-Van-2-Door-/182318024875?forcerrptr=true=item2a730048ab:g:-WcAAOSw-CpYBUjz=182318024875
>>  
>> <http://www.ebay.com/itm/2007-Ford-E-Series-Van-Base-Standard-Cargo-Van-2-Door-/182318024875?forcerrptr=true=item2a730048ab:g:-WcAAOSw-CpYBUjz=182318024875>
>>  
>> 
>> Here is one with 36,000 miles.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Rory
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
>> Behalf Of Rory Conaway
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 6:54 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> For what you pay for a new van, you can by 3 fully equipped vans with 
>> 100,000 miles on them and still expense it.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Rory
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
>> Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
>> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 6:18 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Lease is a straight expense on the books and you get new equipment every few 
>> years - but there are significant upfit costs that you lose each time you 
>> exchange the van.  Sure they can be built into the lease - but your still 
>> paying for it.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> If you buy you would normally depreciate but IRS Section 179 lets you 
>> expense the entire thing if you want to.   Sometimes that just means you are 
>> kicking the tax can down the road.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I usually finance them over 48 months and figure approximately 40k with 
>> upfit.  The last couple have been closer to 45k all in.   The oldest ones 
>> (the Sprinters) are about 7 years old now and were expensed and paid for 
>> long ago.   Anything we get out of them now is just a bonus.   I prefer 
>> newer equipment for the trucks as it’s a significant expense and hassle when 
>> one breaks down and we have to reschedule work and/or have someone sitting 
>> around without a vehicle.  The PR value of having decent looking equipment 
>> with good graphics and the ability to carry all of the assorted equipment to 
>> do the job in one truck roll is worth the extra expense.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> O

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Jeremy]

You carry concrete, poles, cinder blocks, and non-pens at all times?  That
is pretty amazing.  We usually qualify those type of jobs in advance, run
back to grab parts, or reschedule.  What is this 'power auger' that you
speak of?

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net> wrote:

> There is no way in hell I would ever want to work out of those vans, and
> there is no way to get all the equipment we carry in one.
>
> 32’ ladder, 28’ ladder, cable, Canopy gear in FSK 5.7 and 2.4, 430 5.7,
> 450 in 900, 2.4, 3.65 integrated and connectorized, 5.7 integrated and
> connectorizied.  Ubiquiti in various flavors.  Antenna’s and power supplies
> for all of the above.  Non-Pen mounts, regular mounts, roof mounts, power
> supplies for all of the above.  Concrete and poles.  Concrete blocks for
> non-pen mount.  Power auger, post hole digger, indoor and outdoor wire and
> cable, tools, indoor supplies (wall plates, punchdowns, etc).  We would
> have to tow a trailer to carry all of that with that van - or spend hours a
> day digging through the gigantic mess in the back of the van.
>
> One trip and done.
>
> Mark
>
> On Oct 18, 2016, at 9:55 AM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/2007-Ford-E-Series-Van-Base-
> Standard-Cargo-Van-2-Door-/182318024875?forcerrptr=true&
> hash=item2a730048ab:g:-WcAAOSw-CpYBUjz=182318024875
>
>
>
> Here is one with 36,000 miles.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
> Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 18, 2016 6:54 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>
>
>
> For what you pay for a new van, you can by 3 fully equipped vans with
> 100,000 miles on them and still expense it.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
> Behalf Of *Mark Radabaugh
> *Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2016 6:18 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>
>
>
> Lease is a straight expense on the books and you get new equipment every
> few years - but there are significant upfit costs that you lose each time
> you exchange the van.  Sure they can be built into the lease - but your
> still paying for it.
>
>
>
> If you buy you would normally depreciate but IRS Section 179 lets you
> expense the entire thing if you want to.   Sometimes that just means you
> are kicking the tax can down the road.
>
>
>
> I usually finance them over 48 months and figure approximately 40k with
> upfit.  The last couple have been closer to 45k all in.   The oldest ones
> (the Sprinters) are about 7 years old now and were expensed and paid for
> long ago.   Anything we get out of them now is just a bonus.   I prefer
> newer equipment for the trucks as it’s a significant expense and hassle
> when one breaks down and we have to reschedule work and/or have someone
> sitting around without a vehicle.  The PR value of having decent looking
> equipment with good graphics and the ability to carry all of the assorted
> equipment to do the job in one truck roll is worth the extra expense.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On Oct 17, 2016, at 8:27 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> I've been buying, feels like it makes more sense.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Oct 17, 2016 8:22 PM, "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I think you can still write it off, but you have to do it via
> depreciation, etc. Leases are just much simpler.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
>
>
> On 10/17/2016 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Why can't you write off that?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Oct 17, 2016 8:17 PM, "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:
>
> If you aren’t taking the writeoff on leasing or purchasing, a far better
> value is getting an E-150 with 60-100K miles for $15K fully loaded with
> shelves, ladder racks, inverters, and other things we normally have to
> add.  eBay has them all the time.  Considering the drive train should last
> 300-500K miles (mines at 393K miles and runs like a top), it’s a massive
> savings.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2016 4:37 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Ben Royer]

Yes, there is something to be said about a stocked van.  Our main installer 
fleet consists of 7 Chevy Express Vans, mostly 1500, 2 are 2500, and all fairly 
similar in shelving.  We have a spare AstroVan, and a couple Tahoe’s and a 3500 
Diesel for hauling.  The biggest discrepancy is the techs, some guys keep them 
squeaky clean, others not so much.  It seems no matter how hard you try to 
mandate it clean, stocked, etc. Give it a couple days and you’re a broken 
record again, asking them to clean it.  I’m looking at the future of our fleet 
now also, and I really like the ProMaster, and I’ve driven a Ford Transit 350 
with the 6’ back, which was really nice.  Ladders and pipes being our biggest 
thing to accommodate for.  If we do decide to go new, I think one of the key 
factors is gas mileage we might gain by going with a newer, more efficient 
vehicle.

Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 11:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

If you believe in the free market, the “value” of new and used vans should be 
about equal.

 

I would think if you have a “fleet” of more than 1-2 vehicles, there would be 
value in having them all similar, right down to the shelving and what tools and 
parts they are stocked with, right down to where they are in the van.  So you 
could send a tech out in any vehicle and they wouldn’t waste a bunch of time 
looking for stuff.  That also assumes some discipline that your techs keep the 
vans clean, organized, and stocked, or that you have a second shift to do that. 
 That’s something that impressed me when WISPER did that open house a couple 
years ago, other than one NV200, they were all Transit Connects and it didn’t 
matter which one you took out, they were all identically equipped and stocked.  
I wouldn’t want such a small van though, nor would I want to drive around our 
back roads in winter in a Transit Connect, but somehow WISPER makes it work.

 

Or if you’re like me, too small to have a “fleet”, then you’re really screwed 
if your vehicle has to go into the shop.  So there is something reassuring 
about having a new vehicle with full warranty, just send it to the dealer for 
scheduled maintenance, and unless someone abuses it there shouldn’t be any 
major problems for quite a few years.  At that point, it can now become your 
“used” vehicle, or you can sell it off to someone who prefers to buy vehicles 
used and partly depreciated, and buy another new one, equipped and upfitted to 
your specifications.

 

I have noticed when looking at used vehicles already equipped with ladder racks 
and shelves, that people beat the crap out of them.  They look OK in the online 
photos, but when you check them out in person, they never look so good.  I 
suppose it comes down to putting the time into checking out enough of them.  
Maybe the middle ground would be to identify a big company that equips their 
vans the way you like, find out who they send their used or surplus vans to, 
and buy those.  At least they would all be the same.

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 10:45 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

 

 

Pretty sure that is the van we use (we also have a chevy) and we carry most of 
that in it...

 

  - Original Message - 

  From: Mark Radabaugh 

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 10:21 AM

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

   

  There is no way in hell I would ever want to work out of those vans, and 
there is no way to get all the equipment we carry in one.

   

  32’ ladder, 28’ ladder, cable, Canopy gear in FSK 5.7 and 2.4, 430 5.7, 450 
in 900, 2.4, 3.65 integrated and connectorized, 5.7 integrated and 
connectorizied.  Ubiquiti in various flavors.  Antenna’s and power supplies for 
all of the above.  Non-Pen mounts, regular mounts, roof mounts, power supplies 
for all of the above.  Concrete and poles.  Concrete blocks for non-pen mount.  
Power auger, post hole digger, indoor and outdoor wire and cable, tools, indoor 
supplies (wall plates, punchdowns, etc).  We would have to tow a trailer to 
carry all of that with that van - or spend hours a day digging through the 
gigantic mess in the back of the van.

   

  One trip and done.

   

  Mark

   

On Oct 18, 2016, at 9:55 AM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:

 


http://www.ebay.com/itm/2007-Ford-E-Series-Van-Base-Standard-Cargo-Van-2-Door-/182318024875?forcerrptr=true=item2a730048ab:g:-WcAAOSw-CpYBUjz=182318024875

Here is one with 36,000 miles.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 6:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

For what you pay for a n

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Ken Hohhof]

If you believe in the free market, the “value” of new and used vans should be 
about equal.

 

I would think if you have a “fleet” of more than 1-2 vehicles, there would be 
value in having them all similar, right down to the shelving and what tools and 
parts they are stocked with, right down to where they are in the van.  So you 
could send a tech out in any vehicle and they wouldn’t waste a bunch of time 
looking for stuff.  That also assumes some discipline that your techs keep the 
vans clean, organized, and stocked, or that you have a second shift to do that. 
 That’s something that impressed me when WISPER did that open house a couple 
years ago, other than one NV200, they were all Transit Connects and it didn’t 
matter which one you took out, they were all identically equipped and stocked.  
I wouldn’t want such a small van though, nor would I want to drive around our 
back roads in winter in a Transit Connect, but somehow WISPER makes it work.

 

Or if you’re like me, too small to have a “fleet”, then you’re really screwed 
if your vehicle has to go into the shop.  So there is something reassuring 
about having a new vehicle with full warranty, just send it to the dealer for 
scheduled maintenance, and unless someone abuses it there shouldn’t be any 
major problems for quite a few years.  At that point, it can now become your 
“used” vehicle, or you can sell it off to someone who prefers to buy vehicles 
used and partly depreciated, and buy another new one, equipped and upfitted to 
your specifications.

 

I have noticed when looking at used vehicles already equipped with ladder racks 
and shelves, that people beat the crap out of them.  They look OK in the online 
photos, but when you check them out in person, they never look so good.  I 
suppose it comes down to putting the time into checking out enough of them.  
Maybe the middle ground would be to identify a big company that equips their 
vans the way you like, find out who they send their used or surplus vans to, 
and buy those.  At least they would all be the same.

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 10:45 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

 

 

Pretty sure that is the van we use (we also have a chevy) and we carry most of 
that in it...

 

- Original Message - 

From: Mark Radabaugh <mailto:m...@amplex.net>  

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>  

Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 10:21 AM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

 

There is no way in hell I would ever want to work out of those vans, and there 
is no way to get all the equipment we carry in one.

 

32’ ladder, 28’ ladder, cable, Canopy gear in FSK 5.7 and 2.4, 430 5.7, 450 in 
900, 2.4, 3.65 integrated and connectorized, 5.7 integrated and connectorizied. 
 Ubiquiti in various flavors.  Antenna’s and power supplies for all of the 
above.  Non-Pen mounts, regular mounts, roof mounts, power supplies for all of 
the above.  Concrete and poles.  Concrete blocks for non-pen mount.  Power 
auger, post hole digger, indoor and outdoor wire and cable, tools, indoor 
supplies (wall plates, punchdowns, etc).  We would have to tow a trailer to 
carry all of that with that van - or spend hours a day digging through the 
gigantic mess in the back of the van.

 

One trip and done.

 

Mark

 

On Oct 18, 2016, at 9:55 AM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net 
<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net> > wrote:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2007-Ford-E-Series-Van-Base-Standard-Cargo-Van-2-Door-/182318024875?forcerrptr=true
 
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/2007-Ford-E-Series-Van-Base-Standard-Cargo-Van-2-Door-/182318024875?forcerrptr=true=item2a730048ab:g:-WcAAOSw-CpYBUjz=182318024875>
 =item2a730048ab:g:-WcAAOSw-CpYBUjz=182318024875

Here is one with 36,000 miles.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 6:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

For what you pay for a new van, you can by 3 fully equipped vans with 100,000 
miles on them and still expense it.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 6:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

Lease is a straight expense on the books and you get new equipment every few 
years - but there are significant upfit costs that you lose each time you 
exchange the van.  Sure they can be built into the lease - but your still 
paying for it.

If you buy you would normally depreciate but IRS Section 179 lets you expense 
the entire thing if you want to.   Sometimes that just means you are kicking 
the tax can down the road.

I usually finance them over 48 months and figure approximately 40k with upfit.  
The last couple have been closer to 45k all in.   The oldest o

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Pretty sure that is the van we use (we also have a chevy) and we carry most of 
that in it...

  - Original Message - 
  From: Mark Radabaugh 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 10:21 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans


  There is no way in hell I would ever want to work out of those vans, and 
there is no way to get all the equipment we carry in one.   


  32’ ladder, 28’ ladder, cable, Canopy gear in FSK 5.7 and 2.4, 430 5.7, 450 
in 900, 2.4, 3.65 integrated and connectorized, 5.7 integrated and 
connectorizied.  Ubiquiti in various flavors.  Antenna’s and power supplies for 
all of the above.  Non-Pen mounts, regular mounts, roof mounts, power supplies 
for all of the above.  Concrete and poles.  Concrete blocks for non-pen mount.  
Power auger, post hole digger, indoor and outdoor wire and cable, tools, indoor 
supplies (wall plates, punchdowns, etc).  We would have to tow a trailer to 
carry all of that with that van - or spend hours a day digging through the 
gigantic mess in the back of the van.


  One trip and done.


  Mark


On Oct 18, 2016, at 9:55 AM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:



http://www.ebay.com/itm/2007-Ford-E-Series-Van-Base-Standard-Cargo-Van-2-Door-/182318024875?forcerrptr=true=item2a730048ab:g:-WcAAOSw-CpYBUjz=182318024875



Here is one with 36,000 miles.



Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 6:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans



For what you pay for a new van, you can by 3 fully equipped vans with 
100,000 miles on them and still expense it.



Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 6:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans



Lease is a straight expense on the books and you get new equipment every 
few years - but there are significant upfit costs that you lose each time you 
exchange the van.  Sure they can be built into the lease - but your still 
paying for it.



If you buy you would normally depreciate but IRS Section 179 lets you 
expense the entire thing if you want to.   Sometimes that just means you are 
kicking the tax can down the road.



I usually finance them over 48 months and figure approximately 40k with 
upfit.  The last couple have been closer to 45k all in.   The oldest ones (the 
Sprinters) are about 7 years old now and were expensed and paid for long ago.   
Anything we get out of them now is just a bonus.   I prefer newer equipment for 
the trucks as it’s a significant expense and hassle when one breaks down and we 
have to reschedule work and/or have someone sitting around without a vehicle.  
The PR value of having decent looking equipment with good graphics and the 
ability to carry all of the assorted equipment to do the job in one truck roll 
is worth the extra expense.



Mark



  On Oct 17, 2016, at 8:27 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> 
wrote:



  I've been buying, feels like it makes more sense.

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373



  On Oct 17, 2016 8:22 PM, "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:

  I think you can still write it off, but you have to do it via 
depreciation, etc. Leases are just much simpler.



bp<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 10/17/2016 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Why can't you write off that?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Oct 17, 2016 8:17 PM, "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:

If you aren’t taking the writeoff on leasing or purchasing, a far 
better value is getting an E-150 with 60-100K miles for $15K fully loaded with 
shelves, ladder racks, inverters, and other things we normally have to add.  
eBay has them all the time.  Considering the drive train should last 300-500K 
miles (mines at 393K miles and runs like a top), it’s a massive savings.



Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 4:37 PM
    To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans



That sure sounds like Transit wins in your book =)



I'll get with you someday soon to figure out a time if that works for 
you.






Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 6:13 PM, Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net> wrote:

Yep - all 4 styles.   One of these days I’ll find one I like :-) 
Your more than welcome to come visit

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Mark Radabaugh]

There is no way in hell I would ever want to work out of those vans, and there 
is no way to get all the equipment we carry in one.   

32’ ladder, 28’ ladder, cable, Canopy gear in FSK 5.7 and 2.4, 430 5.7, 450 in 
900, 2.4, 3.65 integrated and connectorized, 5.7 integrated and connectorizied. 
 Ubiquiti in various flavors.  Antenna’s and power supplies for all of the 
above.  Non-Pen mounts, regular mounts, roof mounts, power supplies for all of 
the above.  Concrete and poles.  Concrete blocks for non-pen mount.  Power 
auger, post hole digger, indoor and outdoor wire and cable, tools, indoor 
supplies (wall plates, punchdowns, etc).  We would have to tow a trailer to 
carry all of that with that van - or spend hours a day digging through the 
gigantic mess in the back of the van.

One trip and done.

Mark

> On Oct 18, 2016, at 9:55 AM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:
> 
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/2007-Ford-E-Series-Van-Base-Standard-Cargo-Van-2-Door-/182318024875?forcerrptr=true=item2a730048ab:g:-WcAAOSw-CpYBUjz=182318024875
>  
> <http://www.ebay.com/itm/2007-Ford-E-Series-Van-Base-Standard-Cargo-Van-2-Door-/182318024875?forcerrptr=true=item2a730048ab:g:-WcAAOSw-CpYBUjz=182318024875>
>  
> Here is one with 36,000 miles.
>  
> Rory
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 6:54 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>  
> For what you pay for a new van, you can by 3 fully equipped vans with 100,000 
> miles on them and still expense it.
>  
> Rory
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
> Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 6:18 PM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>  
> Lease is a straight expense on the books and you get new equipment every few 
> years - but there are significant upfit costs that you lose each time you 
> exchange the van.  Sure they can be built into the lease - but your still 
> paying for it.
>  
> If you buy you would normally depreciate but IRS Section 179 lets you expense 
> the entire thing if you want to.   Sometimes that just means you are kicking 
> the tax can down the road.
>  
> I usually finance them over 48 months and figure approximately 40k with 
> upfit.  The last couple have been closer to 45k all in.   The oldest ones 
> (the Sprinters) are about 7 years old now and were expensed and paid for long 
> ago.   Anything we get out of them now is just a bonus.   I prefer newer 
> equipment for the trucks as it’s a significant expense and hassle when one 
> breaks down and we have to reschedule work and/or have someone sitting around 
> without a vehicle.  The PR value of having decent looking equipment with good 
> graphics and the ability to carry all of the assorted equipment to do the job 
> in one truck roll is worth the extra expense.
>  
> Mark
>  
> On Oct 17, 2016, at 8:27 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
> <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
>  
> I've been buying, feels like it makes more sense.
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>  
> On Oct 17, 2016 8:22 PM, "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> I think you can still write it off, but you have to do it via depreciation, 
> etc. Leases are just much simpler.
>  
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>  
> On 10/17/2016 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> Why can't you write off that?
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 
> Direct: 937-552-2343 
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>  
> On Oct 17, 2016 8:17 PM, "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net 
> <mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
> If you aren’t taking the writeoff on leasing or purchasing, a far better 
> value is getting an E-150 with 60-100K miles for $15K fully loaded with 
> shelves, ladder racks, inverters, and other things we normally have to add.  
> eBay has them all the time.  Considering the drive train should last 300-500K 
> miles (mines at 393K miles and runs like a top), it’s a massive savings.
>  
> Rory
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 4:37 PM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>  
> That sure sounds like Transit wins in your book =)
>  
> I'll get with you someday soon to figure out a time if that works for you.
> 
>  
> Josh Lu

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Josh Luthman]

Do they have medium roof/stand height vans around those years?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Oct 18, 2016 9:55 AM, "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:

> http://www.ebay.com/itm/2007-Ford-E-Series-Van-Base-
> Standard-Cargo-Van-2-Door-/182318024875?forcerrptr=true&
> hash=item2a730048ab:g:-WcAAOSw-CpYBUjz=182318024875
>
>
>
> Here is one with 36,000 miles.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 18, 2016 6:54 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>
>
>
> For what you pay for a new van, you can by 3 fully equipped vans with
> 100,000 miles on them and still expense it.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
> Behalf Of *Mark Radabaugh
> *Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2016 6:18 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>
>
>
> Lease is a straight expense on the books and you get new equipment every
> few years - but there are significant upfit costs that you lose each time
> you exchange the van.  Sure they can be built into the lease - but your
> still paying for it.
>
>
>
> If you buy you would normally depreciate but IRS Section 179 lets you
> expense the entire thing if you want to.   Sometimes that just means you
> are kicking the tax can down the road.
>
>
>
> I usually finance them over 48 months and figure approximately 40k with
> upfit.  The last couple have been closer to 45k all in.   The oldest ones
> (the Sprinters) are about 7 years old now and were expensed and paid for
> long ago.   Anything we get out of them now is just a bonus.   I prefer
> newer equipment for the trucks as it’s a significant expense and hassle
> when one breaks down and we have to reschedule work and/or have someone
> sitting around without a vehicle.  The PR value of having decent looking
> equipment with good graphics and the ability to carry all of the assorted
> equipment to do the job in one truck roll is worth the extra expense.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On Oct 17, 2016, at 8:27 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> I've been buying, feels like it makes more sense.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Oct 17, 2016 8:22 PM, "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I think you can still write it off, but you have to do it via
> depreciation, etc. Leases are just much simpler.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
>
>
> On 10/17/2016 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Why can't you write off that?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Oct 17, 2016 8:17 PM, "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:
>
> If you aren’t taking the writeoff on leasing or purchasing, a far better
> value is getting an E-150 with 60-100K miles for $15K fully loaded with
> shelves, ladder racks, inverters, and other things we normally have to
> add.  eBay has them all the time.  Considering the drive train should last
> 300-500K miles (mines at 393K miles and runs like a top), it’s a massive
> savings.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2016 4:37 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>
>
>
> That sure sounds like Transit wins in your book =)
>
>
>
> I'll get with you someday soon to figure out a time if that works for you.
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 6:13 PM, Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net> wrote:
>
> Yep - all 4 styles.   One of these days I’ll find one I like :-) Your
> more than welcome to come visit.
>
>
>
> Transit - good van, only thing I don’t like is the weird masking on the
> windshield for the (nonexistent) rear view mirror.
>
> Nissan has been very reliable but loses a lot of storage area to the
> ‘truck’ front end.
>
> Promasters are roomier than the Ford.  So far so good - but they are all
> pretty new.
>
> Sprinter - were nice to drive when new, not so much now.  Reliability has
> been poor, maintenance extremely expensive, and not even the Mercedes
>

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Rory Conaway]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2007-Ford-E-Series-Van-Base-Standard-Cargo-Van-2-Door-/182318024875?forcerrptr=true=item2a730048ab:g:-WcAAOSw-CpYBUjz=182318024875

Here is one with 36,000 miles.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 6:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

For what you pay for a new van, you can by 3 fully equipped vans with 100,000 
miles on them and still expense it.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 6:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

Lease is a straight expense on the books and you get new equipment every few 
years - but there are significant upfit costs that you lose each time you 
exchange the van.  Sure they can be built into the lease - but your still 
paying for it.

If you buy you would normally depreciate but IRS Section 179 lets you expense 
the entire thing if you want to.   Sometimes that just means you are kicking 
the tax can down the road.

I usually finance them over 48 months and figure approximately 40k with upfit.  
The last couple have been closer to 45k all in.   The oldest ones (the 
Sprinters) are about 7 years old now and were expensed and paid for long ago.   
Anything we get out of them now is just a bonus.   I prefer newer equipment for 
the trucks as it’s a significant expense and hassle when one breaks down and we 
have to reschedule work and/or have someone sitting around without a vehicle.  
The PR value of having decent looking equipment with good graphics and the 
ability to carry all of the assorted equipment to do the job in one truck roll 
is worth the extra expense.

Mark

On Oct 17, 2016, at 8:27 PM, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

I've been buying, feels like it makes more sense.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Oct 17, 2016 8:22 PM, "Bill Prince" 
<part15...@gmail.com<mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I think you can still write it off, but you have to do it via depreciation, 
etc. Leases are just much simpler.


bp

<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>


On 10/17/2016 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Why can't you write off that?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Oct 17, 2016 8:17 PM, "Rory Conaway" 
<r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
If you aren’t taking the writeoff on leasing or purchasing, a far better value 
is getting an E-150 with 60-100K miles for $15K fully loaded with shelves, 
ladder racks, inverters, and other things we normally have to add.  eBay has 
them all the time.  Considering the drive train should last 300-500K miles 
(mines at 393K miles and runs like a top), it’s a massive savings.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 4:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

That sure sounds like Transit wins in your book =)

I'll get with you someday soon to figure out a time if that works for you.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 6:13 PM, Mark Radabaugh 
<m...@amplex.net<mailto:m...@amplex.net>> wrote:
Yep - all 4 styles.   One of these days I’ll find one I like :-) Your more 
than welcome to come visit.

Transit - good van, only thing I don’t like is the weird masking on the 
windshield for the (nonexistent) rear view mirror.
Nissan has been very reliable but loses a lot of storage area to the ‘truck’ 
front end.
Promasters are roomier than the Ford.  So far so good - but they are all pretty 
new.
Sprinter - were nice to drive when new, not so much now.  Reliability has been 
poor, maintenance extremely expensive, and not even the Mercedes dealer can 
figure out how to fix them when they break.   I don’t believe we will ever buy 
another Sprinter.

Mark


On Oct 17, 2016, at 4:49 PM, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

You have all three?!?!  I'm looking at the Transit, NV and Sprinter.  I'd love 
to visit if you could spare some of your time.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 4:42 PM, Mark Radabaugh 
<m...@amplex.net<mailto:m...@amplex.net>> wrote:
Come visit - you can check out the Ford Transit, Nissan NV, Chrysler Promaster, 
and Freightliner Sprinter versions.

Mark



On Oct 17, 2016, at 4:37 PM, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

I'll have to see some examples be

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Rory Conaway]

For what you pay for a new van, you can by 3 fully equipped vans with 100,000 
miles on them and still expense it.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 6:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

Lease is a straight expense on the books and you get new equipment every few 
years - but there are significant upfit costs that you lose each time you 
exchange the van.  Sure they can be built into the lease - but your still 
paying for it.

If you buy you would normally depreciate but IRS Section 179 lets you expense 
the entire thing if you want to.   Sometimes that just means you are kicking 
the tax can down the road.

I usually finance them over 48 months and figure approximately 40k with upfit.  
The last couple have been closer to 45k all in.   The oldest ones (the 
Sprinters) are about 7 years old now and were expensed and paid for long ago.   
Anything we get out of them now is just a bonus.   I prefer newer equipment for 
the trucks as it’s a significant expense and hassle when one breaks down and we 
have to reschedule work and/or have someone sitting around without a vehicle.  
The PR value of having decent looking equipment with good graphics and the 
ability to carry all of the assorted equipment to do the job in one truck roll 
is worth the extra expense.

Mark

On Oct 17, 2016, at 8:27 PM, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

I've been buying, feels like it makes more sense.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Oct 17, 2016 8:22 PM, "Bill Prince" 
<part15...@gmail.com<mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I think you can still write it off, but you have to do it via depreciation, 
etc. Leases are just much simpler.


bp

<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>


On 10/17/2016 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Why can't you write off that?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Oct 17, 2016 8:17 PM, "Rory Conaway" 
<r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
If you aren’t taking the writeoff on leasing or purchasing, a far better value 
is getting an E-150 with 60-100K miles for $15K fully loaded with shelves, 
ladder racks, inverters, and other things we normally have to add.  eBay has 
them all the time.  Considering the drive train should last 300-500K miles 
(mines at 393K miles and runs like a top), it’s a massive savings.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 4:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

That sure sounds like Transit wins in your book =)

I'll get with you someday soon to figure out a time if that works for you.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 6:13 PM, Mark Radabaugh 
<m...@amplex.net<mailto:m...@amplex.net>> wrote:
Yep - all 4 styles.   One of these days I’ll find one I like :-) Your more 
than welcome to come visit.

Transit - good van, only thing I don’t like is the weird masking on the 
windshield for the (nonexistent) rear view mirror.
Nissan has been very reliable but loses a lot of storage area to the ‘truck’ 
front end.
Promasters are roomier than the Ford.  So far so good - but they are all pretty 
new.
Sprinter - were nice to drive when new, not so much now.  Reliability has been 
poor, maintenance extremely expensive, and not even the Mercedes dealer can 
figure out how to fix them when they break.   I don’t believe we will ever buy 
another Sprinter.

Mark


On Oct 17, 2016, at 4:49 PM, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

You have all three?!?!  I'm looking at the Transit, NV and Sprinter.  I'd love 
to visit if you could spare some of your time.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 4:42 PM, Mark Radabaugh 
<m...@amplex.net<mailto:m...@amplex.net>> wrote:
Come visit - you can check out the Ford Transit, Nissan NV, Chrysler Promaster, 
and Freightliner Sprinter versions.

Mark



On Oct 17, 2016, at 4:37 PM, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

I'll have to see some examples before I decide.  I like the safety part of it, 
but I'd rather be able to go from driver seat to the back without walking 
around the entire vehicle.  I also like the idea of dual sliding doors for the 
same reason.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 4:33 PM, Ken Hohhof 
<af...@kwisp.com<mailt

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Josh Luthman]

Any reason other just paying it off?  I'm a fan of OPM.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Oct 17, 2016 9:57 PM, "Mark Radabaugh" <m...@amplex.net> wrote:

> Ideally I would like to buy one a year and prefer not to have 5 or 6
> payments to make.
>
> Mark
>
> On Oct 17, 2016, at 9:24 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> wrote:
>
> Why not 60 instead of 48?  Or 72?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Oct 17, 2016 9:17 PM, "Mark Radabaugh" <m...@amplex.net> wrote:
>
>> Lease is a straight expense on the books and you get new equipment every
>> few years - but there are significant upfit costs that you lose each time
>> you exchange the van.  Sure they can be built into the lease - but your
>> still paying for it.
>>
>> If you buy you would normally depreciate but IRS Section 179 lets you
>> expense the entire thing if you want to.   Sometimes that just means you
>> are kicking the tax can down the road.
>>
>> I usually finance them over 48 months and figure approximately 40k with
>> upfit.  The last couple have been closer to 45k all in.   The oldest ones
>> (the Sprinters) are about 7 years old now and were expensed and paid for
>> long ago.   Anything we get out of them now is just a bonus.   I prefer
>> newer equipment for the trucks as it’s a significant expense and hassle
>> when one breaks down and we have to reschedule work and/or have someone
>> sitting around without a vehicle.  The PR value of having decent looking
>> equipment with good graphics and the ability to carry all of the assorted
>> equipment to do the job in one truck roll is worth the extra expense.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Oct 17, 2016, at 8:27 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I've been buying, feels like it makes more sense.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Oct 17, 2016 8:22 PM, "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I think you can still write it off, but you have to do it via
>>> depreciation, etc. Leases are just much simpler.
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/17/2016 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>
>>> Why can't you write off that?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Oct 17, 2016 8:17 PM, "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If you aren’t taking the writeoff on leasing or purchasing, a far
>>>> better value is getting an E-150 with 60-100K miles for $15K fully loaded
>>>> with shelves, ladder racks, inverters, and other things we normally have to
>>>> add.  eBay has them all the time.  Considering the drive train should last
>>>> 300-500K miles (mines at 393K miles and runs like a top), it’s a massive
>>>> savings.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rory
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2016 4:37 PM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That sure sounds like Transit wins in your book =)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'll get with you someday soon to figure out a time if that works for
>>>> you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 6:13 PM, Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yep - all 4 styles.   One of these days I’ll find one I like :-)
>>>> Your more than welcome to come visit.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Transit - good van, only thing I don’t like is the weird masking on the
>>>> windshield for the (nonexistent) rear view mirror.
>>>>
>>>> Nissan has been very reliable but loses a l

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Mark Radabaugh]

Ideally I would like to buy one a year and prefer not to have 5 or 6 payments 
to make. 

Mark 

> On Oct 17, 2016, at 9:24 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
> 
> Why not 60 instead of 48?  Or 72?
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> 
> On Oct 17, 2016 9:17 PM, "Mark Radabaugh" <m...@amplex.net 
> <mailto:m...@amplex.net>> wrote:
> Lease is a straight expense on the books and you get new equipment every few 
> years - but there are significant upfit costs that you lose each time you 
> exchange the van.  Sure they can be built into the lease - but your still 
> paying for it.
> 
> If you buy you would normally depreciate but IRS Section 179 lets you expense 
> the entire thing if you want to.   Sometimes that just means you are kicking 
> the tax can down the road.
> 
> I usually finance them over 48 months and figure approximately 40k with 
> upfit.  The last couple have been closer to 45k all in.   The oldest ones 
> (the Sprinters) are about 7 years old now and were expensed and paid for long 
> ago.   Anything we get out of them now is just a bonus.   I prefer newer 
> equipment for the trucks as it’s a significant expense and hassle when one 
> breaks down and we have to reschedule work and/or have someone sitting around 
> without a vehicle.  The PR value of having decent looking equipment with good 
> graphics and the ability to carry all of the assorted equipment to do the job 
> in one truck roll is worth the extra expense.
> 
> Mark
> 
>> On Oct 17, 2016, at 8:27 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
>> <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I've been buying, feels like it makes more sense.
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 17, 2016 8:22 PM, "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> I think you can still write it off, but you have to do it via depreciation, 
>> etc. Leases are just much simpler.
>> 
>> 
>> bp
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>> 
>> On 10/17/2016 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>> Why can't you write off that?
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 17, 2016 8:17 PM, "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net 
>>> <mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
>>> If you aren’t taking the writeoff on leasing or purchasing, a far better 
>>> value is getting an E-150 with 60-100K miles for $15K fully loaded with 
>>> shelves, ladder racks, inverters, and other things we normally have to add. 
>>>  eBay has them all the time.  Considering the drive train should last 
>>> 300-500K miles (mines at 393K miles and runs like a top), it’s a massive 
>>> savings.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Rory
>>> 
>>>  
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
>>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>>> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 4:37 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>>> 
>>>  
>>> That sure sounds like Transit wins in your book =)
>>> 
>>>  
>>> I'll get with you someday soon to figure out a time if that works for you.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>>  
>>> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 6:13 PM, Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net 
>>> <mailto:m...@amplex.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yep - all 4 styles.   One of these days I’ll find one I like :-) Your 
>>> more than welcome to come visit.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Transit - good van, only thing I don’t like is the weird masking on the 
>>> windshield for the (nonexistent) rear view mirror.
>>> 
>>> Nissan has been very reliable but loses a lot of storage area to the 
>>> ‘truck’ front end.
>>> 
>>> Promasters are roomier than the Ford.  So far so good - but they are all 
>>> pretty new.
>>> 
>>> Sprinter - were nice to drive when new, not

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Josh Luthman]

Why not 60 instead of 48?  Or 72?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Oct 17, 2016 9:17 PM, "Mark Radabaugh" <m...@amplex.net> wrote:

> Lease is a straight expense on the books and you get new equipment every
> few years - but there are significant upfit costs that you lose each time
> you exchange the van.  Sure they can be built into the lease - but your
> still paying for it.
>
> If you buy you would normally depreciate but IRS Section 179 lets you
> expense the entire thing if you want to.   Sometimes that just means you
> are kicking the tax can down the road.
>
> I usually finance them over 48 months and figure approximately 40k with
> upfit.  The last couple have been closer to 45k all in.   The oldest ones
> (the Sprinters) are about 7 years old now and were expensed and paid for
> long ago.   Anything we get out of them now is just a bonus.   I prefer
> newer equipment for the trucks as it’s a significant expense and hassle
> when one breaks down and we have to reschedule work and/or have someone
> sitting around without a vehicle.  The PR value of having decent looking
> equipment with good graphics and the ability to carry all of the assorted
> equipment to do the job in one truck roll is worth the extra expense.
>
> Mark
>
> On Oct 17, 2016, at 8:27 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> wrote:
>
> I've been buying, feels like it makes more sense.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Oct 17, 2016 8:22 PM, "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think you can still write it off, but you have to do it via
>> depreciation, etc. Leases are just much simpler.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>
>>
>> On 10/17/2016 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> Why can't you write off that?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Oct 17, 2016 8:17 PM, "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:
>>
>>> If you aren’t taking the writeoff on leasing or purchasing, a far better
>>> value is getting an E-150 with 60-100K miles for $15K fully loaded with
>>> shelves, ladder racks, inverters, and other things we normally have to
>>> add.  eBay has them all the time.  Considering the drive train should last
>>> 300-500K miles (mines at 393K miles and runs like a top), it’s a massive
>>> savings.
>>>
>>>
>>> Rory
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>>> *Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2016 4:37 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>>>
>>>
>>> That sure sounds like Transit wins in your book =)
>>>
>>>
>>> I'll get with you someday soon to figure out a time if that works for
>>> you.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 6:13 PM, Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yep - all 4 styles.   One of these days I’ll find one I like :-)
>>> Your more than welcome to come visit.
>>>
>>>
>>> Transit - good van, only thing I don’t like is the weird masking on the
>>> windshield for the (nonexistent) rear view mirror.
>>>
>>> Nissan has been very reliable but loses a lot of storage area to the
>>> ‘truck’ front end.
>>>
>>> Promasters are roomier than the Ford.  So far so good - but they are all
>>> pretty new.
>>>
>>> Sprinter - were nice to drive when new, not so much now.  Reliability
>>> has been poor, maintenance extremely expensive, and not even the Mercedes
>>> dealer can figure out how to fix them when they break.   I don’t believe we
>>> will ever buy another Sprinter.
>>>
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 17, 2016, at 4:49 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> You have all three?!?!  I'm looking at the Transit, NV and Sprinter.
>>> I'd love to visit if you could spare some of your time.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Mark Radabaugh]

Lease is a straight expense on the books and you get new equipment every few 
years - but there are significant upfit costs that you lose each time you 
exchange the van.  Sure they can be built into the lease - but your still 
paying for it.

If you buy you would normally depreciate but IRS Section 179 lets you expense 
the entire thing if you want to.   Sometimes that just means you are kicking 
the tax can down the road.

I usually finance them over 48 months and figure approximately 40k with upfit.  
The last couple have been closer to 45k all in.   The oldest ones (the 
Sprinters) are about 7 years old now and were expensed and paid for long ago.   
Anything we get out of them now is just a bonus.   I prefer newer equipment for 
the trucks as it’s a significant expense and hassle when one breaks down and we 
have to reschedule work and/or have someone sitting around without a vehicle.  
The PR value of having decent looking equipment with good graphics and the 
ability to carry all of the assorted equipment to do the job in one truck roll 
is worth the extra expense.

Mark

> On Oct 17, 2016, at 8:27 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
> 
> I've been buying, feels like it makes more sense.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> 
> On Oct 17, 2016 8:22 PM, "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> I think you can still write it off, but you have to do it via depreciation, 
> etc. Leases are just much simpler.
> 
> 
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
> 
> On 10/17/2016 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> Why can't you write off that?
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 17, 2016 8:17 PM, "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net 
>> <mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
>> If you aren’t taking the writeoff on leasing or purchasing, a far better 
>> value is getting an E-150 with 60-100K miles for $15K fully loaded with 
>> shelves, ladder racks, inverters, and other things we normally have to add.  
>> eBay has them all the time.  Considering the drive train should last 
>> 300-500K miles (mines at 393K miles and runs like a top), it’s a massive 
>> savings.
>> 
>>  
>> Rory
>> 
>>  
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 4:37 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>> 
>>  
>> That sure sounds like Transit wins in your book =)
>> 
>>  
>> I'll get with you someday soon to figure out a time if that works for you.
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>  
>> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 6:13 PM, Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net 
>> <mailto:m...@amplex.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yep - all 4 styles.   One of these days I’ll find one I like :-) Your 
>> more than welcome to come visit.
>> 
>>  
>> Transit - good van, only thing I don’t like is the weird masking on the 
>> windshield for the (nonexistent) rear view mirror.
>> 
>> Nissan has been very reliable but loses a lot of storage area to the ‘truck’ 
>> front end.
>> 
>> Promasters are roomier than the Ford.  So far so good - but they are all 
>> pretty new.
>> 
>> Sprinter - were nice to drive when new, not so much now.  Reliability has 
>> been poor, maintenance extremely expensive, and not even the Mercedes dealer 
>> can figure out how to fix them when they break.   I don’t believe we will 
>> ever buy another Sprinter.
>> 
>>  
>> Mark
>> 
>>  
>>  
>> On Oct 17, 2016, at 4:49 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
>> <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>  
>> You have all three?!?!  I'm looking at the Transit, NV and Sprinter.  I'd 
>> love to visit if you could spare some of your time.
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>  
>> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 4:42 PM, Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net 
>> <mailto:m...@amplex.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> Come visit - you can check

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Josh Luthman]

I've been buying, feels like it makes more sense.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Oct 17, 2016 8:22 PM, "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I think you can still write it off, but you have to do it via
> depreciation, etc. Leases are just much simpler.
>
>
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
>
> On 10/17/2016 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Why can't you write off that?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Oct 17, 2016 8:17 PM, "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:
>
>> If you aren’t taking the writeoff on leasing or purchasing, a far better
>> value is getting an E-150 with 60-100K miles for $15K fully loaded with
>> shelves, ladder racks, inverters, and other things we normally have to
>> add.  eBay has them all the time.  Considering the drive train should last
>> 300-500K miles (mines at 393K miles and runs like a top), it’s a massive
>> savings.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2016 4:37 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>>
>>
>>
>> That sure sounds like Transit wins in your book =)
>>
>>
>>
>> I'll get with you someday soon to figure out a time if that works for you.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 6:13 PM, Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net> wrote:
>>
>> Yep - all 4 styles.   One of these days I’ll find one I like :-) Your
>> more than welcome to come visit.
>>
>>
>>
>> Transit - good van, only thing I don’t like is the weird masking on the
>> windshield for the (nonexistent) rear view mirror.
>>
>> Nissan has been very reliable but loses a lot of storage area to the
>> ‘truck’ front end.
>>
>> Promasters are roomier than the Ford.  So far so good - but they are all
>> pretty new.
>>
>> Sprinter - were nice to drive when new, not so much now.  Reliability has
>> been poor, maintenance extremely expensive, and not even the Mercedes
>> dealer can figure out how to fix them when they break.   I don’t believe we
>> will ever buy another Sprinter.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 17, 2016, at 4:49 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> You have all three?!?!  I'm looking at the Transit, NV and Sprinter.  I'd
>> love to visit if you could spare some of your time.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 4:42 PM, Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net> wrote:
>>
>> Come visit - you can check out the Ford Transit, Nissan NV, Chrysler
>> Promaster, and Freightliner Sprinter versions.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 17, 2016, at 4:37 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> I'll have to see some examples before I decide.  I like the safety part
>> of it, but I'd rather be able to go from driver seat to the back without
>> walking around the entire vehicle.  I also like the idea of dual sliding
>> doors for the same reason.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 4:33 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>
>> Also whether to add a partition along with those shelves.  (so you can
>> make extra money transporting prisoners on weekends)  (or picking up stray
>> dogs)
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2016 3:16 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>>
>>
>>
>> So it sounds like everyone is pretty happy with Ford work vans (excluding
>> the chinsey Connect).  Just need Ranger shelves and 

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Bill Prince]

I think you can still write it off, but you have to do it via 
depreciation, etc. Leases are just much simpler.



bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 10/17/2016 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


Why can't you write off that?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Oct 17, 2016 8:17 PM, "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net 
<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:


If you aren’t taking the writeoff on leasing or purchasing, a far
better value is getting an E-150 with 60-100K miles for $15K fully
loaded with shelves, ladder racks, inverters, and other things we
normally have to add.  eBay has them all the time.  Considering
the drive train should last 300-500K miles (mines at 393K miles
and runs like a top), it’s a massive savings.

Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2016 4:37 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

That sure sounds like Transit wins in your book =)

I'll get with you someday soon to figure out a time if that works
for you.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 6:13 PM, Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net
<mailto:m...@amplex.net>> wrote:

Yep - all 4 styles.   One of these days I’ll find one I like :-)  
  Your more than welcome to come visit.


Transit - good van, only thing I don’t like is the weird masking
on the windshield for the (nonexistent) rear view mirror.

Nissan has been very reliable but loses a lot of storage area to
the ‘truck’ front end.

Promasters are roomier than the Ford.  So far so good - but they
are all pretty new.

Sprinter - were nice to drive when new, not so much now. 
Reliability has been poor, maintenance extremely expensive, and

not even the Mercedes dealer can figure out how to fix them when
they break.   I don’t believe we will ever buy another Sprinter.

Mark

On Oct 17, 2016, at 4:49 PM, Josh Luthman
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

You have all three?!?!  I'm looking at the Transit, NV and
Sprinter.  I'd love to visit if you could spare some of your time.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 4:42 PM, Mark Radabaugh
<m...@amplex.net <mailto:m...@amplex.net>> wrote:

Come visit - you can check out the Ford Transit, Nissan NV,
Chrysler Promaster, and Freightliner Sprinter versions.

Mark

On Oct 17, 2016, at 4:37 PM, Josh Luthman
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

I'll have to see some examples before I decide.  I like
the safety part of it, but I'd rather be able to go from
driver seat to the back without walking around the entire
vehicle.  I also like the idea of dual sliding doors for
the same reason.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 4:33 PM, Ken Hohhof
<af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

Also whether to add a partition along with those shelves. 
(so you can make extra money transporting prisoners on

weekends)  (or picking up stray dogs)

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2016 3:16 PM
    *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

So it sounds like everyone is pretty happy with Ford work
vans (excluding the chinsey Connect). Just need Ranger
shelves and Prime Design ladder racks for stuff and job's
done?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 5:37 PM, George Skorup
<geo...@cbcast.com <mailto:geo...@cbcast.com>> wrote:

We have the Prime Design on our 2010 E150. It has the
permanently attached collapsible handles. Not sure
exactly which model. That's the only rack I'd put on
any new truck.

   

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Rory Conaway]

You can but there is some special tax credit for that.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 5:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans


Why can't you write off that?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Oct 17, 2016 8:17 PM, "Rory Conaway" 
<r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
If you aren’t taking the writeoff on leasing or purchasing, a far better value 
is getting an E-150 with 60-100K miles for $15K fully loaded with shelves, 
ladder racks, inverters, and other things we normally have to add.  eBay has 
them all the time.  Considering the drive train should last 300-500K miles 
(mines at 393K miles and runs like a top), it’s a massive savings.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 4:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

That sure sounds like Transit wins in your book =)

I'll get with you someday soon to figure out a time if that works for you.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 6:13 PM, Mark Radabaugh 
<m...@amplex.net<mailto:m...@amplex.net>> wrote:
Yep - all 4 styles.   One of these days I’ll find one I like :-) Your more 
than welcome to come visit.

Transit - good van, only thing I don’t like is the weird masking on the 
windshield for the (nonexistent) rear view mirror.
Nissan has been very reliable but loses a lot of storage area to the ‘truck’ 
front end.
Promasters are roomier than the Ford.  So far so good - but they are all pretty 
new.
Sprinter - were nice to drive when new, not so much now.  Reliability has been 
poor, maintenance extremely expensive, and not even the Mercedes dealer can 
figure out how to fix them when they break.   I don’t believe we will ever buy 
another Sprinter.

Mark


On Oct 17, 2016, at 4:49 PM, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

You have all three?!?!  I'm looking at the Transit, NV and Sprinter.  I'd love 
to visit if you could spare some of your time.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 4:42 PM, Mark Radabaugh 
<m...@amplex.net<mailto:m...@amplex.net>> wrote:
Come visit - you can check out the Ford Transit, Nissan NV, Chrysler Promaster, 
and Freightliner Sprinter versions.

Mark



On Oct 17, 2016, at 4:37 PM, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

I'll have to see some examples before I decide.  I like the safety part of it, 
but I'd rather be able to go from driver seat to the back without walking 
around the entire vehicle.  I also like the idea of dual sliding doors for the 
same reason.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 4:33 PM, Ken Hohhof 
<af...@kwisp.com<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Also whether to add a partition along with those shelves.  (so you can make 
extra money transporting prisoners on weekends)  (or picking up stray dogs)

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 3:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

So it sounds like everyone is pretty happy with Ford work vans (excluding the 
chinsey Connect).  Just need Ranger shelves and Prime Design ladder racks for 
stuff and job's done?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 5:37 PM, George Skorup 
<geo...@cbcast.com<mailto:geo...@cbcast.com>> wrote:
We have the Prime Design on our 2010 E150. It has the permanently attached 
collapsible handles. Not sure exactly which model. That's the only rack I'd put 
on any new truck.
On 10/15/2016 4:20 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
Prime Design is the one with the ladders centered over the van.

Mark



On Oct 15, 2016, at 4:54 PM, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:


Who makes the good one?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Oct 15, 2016 4:48 PM, "Mark Radabaugh" 
<m...@amplex.net<mailto:m...@amplex.net>> wrote:
All of the Prime Design ones I have seen have the removable handle.I think 
some of the WeatherGuard ones for the lower vans have the flip down handle.


Horrible ladder rack… Ladder hanging over the side, handle sticking out even 
farther:




Good design:




Mark


On O

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Josh Luthman]

Why can't you write off that?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Oct 17, 2016 8:17 PM, "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:

> If you aren’t taking the writeoff on leasing or purchasing, a far better
> value is getting an E-150 with 60-100K miles for $15K fully loaded with
> shelves, ladder racks, inverters, and other things we normally have to
> add.  eBay has them all the time.  Considering the drive train should last
> 300-500K miles (mines at 393K miles and runs like a top), it’s a massive
> savings.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2016 4:37 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>
>
>
> That sure sounds like Transit wins in your book =)
>
>
>
> I'll get with you someday soon to figure out a time if that works for you.
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 6:13 PM, Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net> wrote:
>
> Yep - all 4 styles.   One of these days I’ll find one I like :-) Your
> more than welcome to come visit.
>
>
>
> Transit - good van, only thing I don’t like is the weird masking on the
> windshield for the (nonexistent) rear view mirror.
>
> Nissan has been very reliable but loses a lot of storage area to the
> ‘truck’ front end.
>
> Promasters are roomier than the Ford.  So far so good - but they are all
> pretty new.
>
> Sprinter - were nice to drive when new, not so much now.  Reliability has
> been poor, maintenance extremely expensive, and not even the Mercedes
> dealer can figure out how to fix them when they break.   I don’t believe we
> will ever buy another Sprinter.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 17, 2016, at 4:49 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> You have all three?!?!  I'm looking at the Transit, NV and Sprinter.  I'd
> love to visit if you could spare some of your time.
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 4:42 PM, Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net> wrote:
>
> Come visit - you can check out the Ford Transit, Nissan NV, Chrysler
> Promaster, and Freightliner Sprinter versions.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 17, 2016, at 4:37 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> I'll have to see some examples before I decide.  I like the safety part of
> it, but I'd rather be able to go from driver seat to the back without
> walking around the entire vehicle.  I also like the idea of dual sliding
> doors for the same reason.
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 4:33 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>
> Also whether to add a partition along with those shelves.  (so you can
> make extra money transporting prisoners on weekends)  (or picking up stray
> dogs)
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2016 3:16 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>
>
>
> So it sounds like everyone is pretty happy with Ford work vans (excluding
> the chinsey Connect).  Just need Ranger shelves and Prime Design ladder
> racks for stuff and job's done?
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 5:37 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:
>
> We have the Prime Design on our 2010 E150. It has the permanently attached
> collapsible handles. Not sure exactly which model. That's the only rack I'd
> put on any new truck.
>
> On 10/15/2016 4:20 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
>
> Prime Design is the one with the ladders centered over the van.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 15, 2016, at 4:54 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Who makes the good one?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Oct 15, 2016 4:48 PM, "Mark Radabaugh" <m...@amplex.net> wrote:
>
> All of the Prime

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Rory Conaway]

If you aren’t taking the writeoff on leasing or purchasing, a far better value 
is getting an E-150 with 60-100K miles for $15K fully loaded with shelves, 
ladder racks, inverters, and other things we normally have to add.  eBay has 
them all the time.  Considering the drive train should last 300-500K miles 
(mines at 393K miles and runs like a top), it’s a massive savings.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 4:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

That sure sounds like Transit wins in your book =)

I'll get with you someday soon to figure out a time if that works for you.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 6:13 PM, Mark Radabaugh 
<m...@amplex.net<mailto:m...@amplex.net>> wrote:
Yep - all 4 styles.   One of these days I’ll find one I like :-) Your more 
than welcome to come visit.

Transit - good van, only thing I don’t like is the weird masking on the 
windshield for the (nonexistent) rear view mirror.
Nissan has been very reliable but loses a lot of storage area to the ‘truck’ 
front end.
Promasters are roomier than the Ford.  So far so good - but they are all pretty 
new.
Sprinter - were nice to drive when new, not so much now.  Reliability has been 
poor, maintenance extremely expensive, and not even the Mercedes dealer can 
figure out how to fix them when they break.   I don’t believe we will ever buy 
another Sprinter.

Mark


On Oct 17, 2016, at 4:49 PM, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

You have all three?!?!  I'm looking at the Transit, NV and Sprinter.  I'd love 
to visit if you could spare some of your time.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 4:42 PM, Mark Radabaugh 
<m...@amplex.net<mailto:m...@amplex.net>> wrote:
Come visit - you can check out the Ford Transit, Nissan NV, Chrysler Promaster, 
and Freightliner Sprinter versions.

Mark



On Oct 17, 2016, at 4:37 PM, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

I'll have to see some examples before I decide.  I like the safety part of it, 
but I'd rather be able to go from driver seat to the back without walking 
around the entire vehicle.  I also like the idea of dual sliding doors for the 
same reason.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 4:33 PM, Ken Hohhof 
<af...@kwisp.com<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Also whether to add a partition along with those shelves.  (so you can make 
extra money transporting prisoners on weekends)  (or picking up stray dogs)

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 3:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

So it sounds like everyone is pretty happy with Ford work vans (excluding the 
chinsey Connect).  Just need Ranger shelves and Prime Design ladder racks for 
stuff and job's done?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 5:37 PM, George Skorup 
<geo...@cbcast.com<mailto:geo...@cbcast.com>> wrote:
We have the Prime Design on our 2010 E150. It has the permanently attached 
collapsible handles. Not sure exactly which model. That's the only rack I'd put 
on any new truck.
On 10/15/2016 4:20 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
Prime Design is the one with the ladders centered over the van.

Mark



On Oct 15, 2016, at 4:54 PM, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:


Who makes the good one?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Oct 15, 2016 4:48 PM, "Mark Radabaugh" 
<m...@amplex.net<mailto:m...@amplex.net>> wrote:
All of the Prime Design ones I have seen have the removable handle.I think 
some of the WeatherGuard ones for the lower vans have the flip down handle.


Horrible ladder rack… Ladder hanging over the side, handle sticking out even 
farther:




Good design:




Mark


On Oct 15, 2016, at 4:15 PM, Ken Hohhof 
<af...@kwisp.com<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

I’ve seen vans with the Prime Design racks with the handle folded and stowed 
like you say.  I don’t know if that’s a newer design or maybe just for low roof 
vans or something, but yes there seems to be a discrepancy.  Sounds like Mark 
has them, maybe he can chime in?


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestio

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Josh Luthman]

That sure sounds like Transit wins in your book =)

I'll get with you someday soon to figure out a time if that works for you.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 6:13 PM, Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net> wrote:

> Yep - all 4 styles.   One of these days I’ll find one I like :-) Your
> more than welcome to come visit.
>
> Transit - good van, only thing I don’t like is the weird masking on the
> windshield for the (nonexistent) rear view mirror.
> Nissan has been very reliable but loses a lot of storage area to the
> ‘truck’ front end.
> Promasters are roomier than the Ford.  So far so good - but they are all
> pretty new.
> Sprinter - were nice to drive when new, not so much now.  Reliability has
> been poor, maintenance extremely expensive, and not even the Mercedes
> dealer can figure out how to fix them when they break.   I don’t believe we
> will ever buy another Sprinter.
>
> Mark
>
>
> On Oct 17, 2016, at 4:49 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> wrote:
>
> You have all three?!?!  I'm looking at the Transit, NV and Sprinter.  I'd
> love to visit if you could spare some of your time.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 4:42 PM, Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net> wrote:
>
>> Come visit - you can check out the Ford Transit, Nissan NV, Chrysler
>> Promaster, and Freightliner Sprinter versions.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 17, 2016, at 4:37 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I'll have to see some examples before I decide.  I like the safety part
>> of it, but I'd rather be able to go from driver seat to the back without
>> walking around the entire vehicle.  I also like the idea of dual sliding
>> doors for the same reason.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 4:33 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Also whether to add a partition along with those shelves.  (so you can
>>> make extra money transporting prisoners on weekends)  (or picking up stray
>>> dogs)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>>> *Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2016 3:16 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So it sounds like everyone is pretty happy with Ford work vans
>>> (excluding the chinsey Connect).  Just need Ranger shelves and Prime Design
>>> ladder racks for stuff and job's done?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 5:37 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> We have the Prime Design on our 2010 E150. It has the permanently
>>> attached collapsible handles. Not sure exactly which model. That's the only
>>> rack I'd put on any new truck.
>>>
>>> On 10/15/2016 4:20 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
>>>
>>> Prime Design is the one with the ladders centered over the van.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 15, 2016, at 4:54 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Who makes the good one?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 15, 2016 4:48 PM, "Mark Radabaugh" <m...@amplex.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> All of the Prime Design ones I have seen have the removable handle.I
>>> think some of the WeatherGuard ones for the lower vans have the flip down
>>> handle.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Horrible ladder rack… Ladder hanging over the side, handle sticking out
>>> even farther:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>&g

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Eric Kuhnke]

It is unfortunate that you can't get the Toyota HiAce (high roof version)
van in the US. They have all the great interior room of a Sprinter, with
none of the Mercedes BS repair costs/unnecessary complications. They're
nearly as mechanically simple and robust as a Hilux.

https://www.google.com/search?q=hiace+high+roof=100=firefox-b=lnms=isch=X=0ahUKEwiqo5_c9eLPAhVUHGMKHekoCQ8Q_AUICCgB



On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 3:13 PM, Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net> wrote:

> Yep - all 4 styles.   One of these days I’ll find one I like :-) Your
> more than welcome to come visit.
>
> Transit - good van, only thing I don’t like is the weird masking on the
> windshield for the (nonexistent) rear view mirror.
> Nissan has been very reliable but loses a lot of storage area to the
> ‘truck’ front end.
> Promasters are roomier than the Ford.  So far so good - but they are all
> pretty new.
> Sprinter - were nice to drive when new, not so much now.  Reliability has
> been poor, maintenance extremely expensive, and not even the Mercedes
> dealer can figure out how to fix them when they break.   I don’t believe we
> will ever buy another Sprinter.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On Oct 17, 2016, at 4:49 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> wrote:
>
> You have all three?!?!  I'm looking at the Transit, NV and Sprinter.  I'd
> love to visit if you could spare some of your time.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 4:42 PM, Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net> wrote:
>
>> Come visit - you can check out the Ford Transit, Nissan NV, Chrysler
>> Promaster, and Freightliner Sprinter versions.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 17, 2016, at 4:37 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I'll have to see some examples before I decide.  I like the safety part
>> of it, but I'd rather be able to go from driver seat to the back without
>> walking around the entire vehicle.  I also like the idea of dual sliding
>> doors for the same reason.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 4:33 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Also whether to add a partition along with those shelves.  (so you can
>>> make extra money transporting prisoners on weekends)  (or picking up stray
>>> dogs)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>>> *Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2016 3:16 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So it sounds like everyone is pretty happy with Ford work vans
>>> (excluding the chinsey Connect).  Just need Ranger shelves and Prime Design
>>> ladder racks for stuff and job's done?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 5:37 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> We have the Prime Design on our 2010 E150. It has the permanently
>>> attached collapsible handles. Not sure exactly which model. That's the only
>>> rack I'd put on any new truck.
>>>
>>> On 10/15/2016 4:20 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
>>>
>>> Prime Design is the one with the ladders centered over the van.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 15, 2016, at 4:54 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Who makes the good one?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 15, 2016 4:48 PM, "Mark Radabaugh" <m...@amplex.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> All of the Prime Design ones I have seen have the removable handle.    I
>>> think some of the WeatherGuard ones for the lower vans have the flip down
>>> handle.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Horrible ladder rack… Ladder h

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Mark Radabaugh]

Yep - all 4 styles.   One of these days I’ll find one I like :-) Your more 
than welcome to come visit.

Transit - good van, only thing I don’t like is the weird masking on the 
windshield for the (nonexistent) rear view mirror.
Nissan has been very reliable but loses a lot of storage area to the ‘truck’ 
front end.
Promasters are roomier than the Ford.  So far so good - but they are all pretty 
new.
Sprinter - were nice to drive when new, not so much now.  Reliability has been 
poor, maintenance extremely expensive, and not even the Mercedes dealer can 
figure out how to fix them when they break.   I don’t believe we will ever buy 
another Sprinter.

Mark


> On Oct 17, 2016, at 4:49 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
> 
> You have all three?!?!  I'm looking at the Transit, NV and Sprinter.  I'd 
> love to visit if you could spare some of your time.
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 4:42 PM, Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net 
> <mailto:m...@amplex.net>> wrote:
> Come visit - you can check out the Ford Transit, Nissan NV, Chrysler 
> Promaster, and Freightliner Sprinter versions.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 17, 2016, at 4:37 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
>> <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I'll have to see some examples before I decide.  I like the safety part of 
>> it, but I'd rather be able to go from driver seat to the back without 
>> walking around the entire vehicle.  I also like the idea of dual sliding 
>> doors for the same reason.
>> 
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 4:33 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com 
>> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
>> Also whether to add a partition along with those shelves.  (so you can make 
>> extra money transporting prisoners on weekends)  (or picking up stray dogs)
>> 
>>   <>
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 3:16 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> So it sounds like everyone is pretty happy with Ford work vans (excluding 
>> the chinsey Connect).  Just need Ranger shelves and Prime Design ladder 
>> racks for stuff and job's done?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 5:37 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com 
>> <mailto:geo...@cbcast.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> We have the Prime Design on our 2010 E150. It has the permanently attached 
>> collapsible handles. Not sure exactly which model. That's the only rack I'd 
>> put on any new truck.
>> 
>> On 10/15/2016 4:20 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
>> 
>> Prime Design is the one with the ladders centered over the van.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Oct 15, 2016, at 4:54 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
>> <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Who makes the good one?
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Oct 15, 2016 4:48 PM, "Mark Radabaugh" <m...@amplex.net 
>> <mailto:m...@amplex.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> All of the Prime Design ones I have seen have the removable handle.I 
>> think some of the WeatherGuard ones for the lower vans have the flip down 
>> handle.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Horrible ladder rack… Ladder hanging over the side, handle sticking out even 
>> farther:
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Good design:
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Oct 15, 2016, at 4:15 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com 
>> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I’ve seen vans with the Prime Des

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Josh Luthman]

You have all three?!?!  I'm looking at the Transit, NV and Sprinter.  I'd
love to visit if you could spare some of your time.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 4:42 PM, Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net> wrote:

> Come visit - you can check out the Ford Transit, Nissan NV, Chrysler
> Promaster, and Freightliner Sprinter versions.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On Oct 17, 2016, at 4:37 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> wrote:
>
> I'll have to see some examples before I decide.  I like the safety part of
> it, but I'd rather be able to go from driver seat to the back without
> walking around the entire vehicle.  I also like the idea of dual sliding
> doors for the same reason.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 4:33 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>
>> Also whether to add a partition along with those shelves.  (so you can
>> make extra money transporting prisoners on weekends)  (or picking up stray
>> dogs)
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2016 3:16 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>>
>>
>>
>> So it sounds like everyone is pretty happy with Ford work vans (excluding
>> the chinsey Connect).  Just need Ranger shelves and Prime Design ladder
>> racks for stuff and job's done?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 5:37 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:
>>
>> We have the Prime Design on our 2010 E150. It has the permanently
>> attached collapsible handles. Not sure exactly which model. That's the only
>> rack I'd put on any new truck.
>>
>> On 10/15/2016 4:20 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
>>
>> Prime Design is the one with the ladders centered over the van.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 15, 2016, at 4:54 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Who makes the good one?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 15, 2016 4:48 PM, "Mark Radabaugh" <m...@amplex.net> wrote:
>>
>> All of the Prime Design ones I have seen have the removable handle.I
>> think some of the WeatherGuard ones for the lower vans have the flip down
>> handle.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Horrible ladder rack… Ladder hanging over the side, handle sticking out
>> even farther:
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Good design:
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 15, 2016, at 4:15 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> I’ve seen vans with the Prime Design racks with the handle folded and
>> stowed like you say.  I don’t know if that’s a newer design or maybe just
>> for low roof vans or something, but yes there seems to be a discrepancy.
>> Sounds like Mark has them, maybe he can chime in?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
>> Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
>> *Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:37 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>>
>>
>>
>> Basically that, but the ones I'm familiar with the pole is always
>> connected, and once the ladder is in place the pole folds against the side
>> of the vehicle up top and has a spot for a padlock.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 15, 2016 11:37 AM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDkx87s6FmA
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YqkK856WRI=youtu.be
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
>> *Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 10:55 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Mark Radabaugh]

Dual slides is going to seriously cut into your storage space inside the van.   
Walk through doors in the partition work fine if you want to be able to access 
the back - provided people don’t pile everything in front of the door.

Hum… yeah - show up early in the morning and you can try out a van all day 
long….  course we might get some work out of you :-)

Mark



> On Oct 17, 2016, at 4:37 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
> 
> I'll have to see some examples before I decide.  I like the safety part of 
> it, but I'd rather be able to go from driver seat to the back without walking 
> around the entire vehicle.  I also like the idea of dual sliding doors for 
> the same reason.
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 4:33 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com 
> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
> Also whether to add a partition along with those shelves.  (so you can make 
> extra money transporting prisoners on weekends)  (or picking up stray dogs)
> 
>   <>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 3:16 PM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
> 
>  
> 
> So it sounds like everyone is pretty happy with Ford work vans (excluding the 
> chinsey Connect).  Just need Ranger shelves and Prime Design ladder racks for 
> stuff and job's done?
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 
> Direct: 937-552-2343 
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>  
> 
> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 5:37 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com 
> <mailto:geo...@cbcast.com>> wrote:
> 
> We have the Prime Design on our 2010 E150. It has the permanently attached 
> collapsible handles. Not sure exactly which model. That's the only rack I'd 
> put on any new truck.
> 
> On 10/15/2016 4:20 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
> 
> Prime Design is the one with the ladders centered over the van.
> 
>  
> 
> Mark
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> On Oct 15, 2016, at 4:54 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
> <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
> 
>  
> 
> Who makes the good one?
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 
> Direct: 937-552-2343 
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>  
> 
> On Oct 15, 2016 4:48 PM, "Mark Radabaugh" <m...@amplex.net 
> <mailto:m...@amplex.net>> wrote:
> 
> All of the Prime Design ones I have seen have the removable handle.I 
> think some of the WeatherGuard ones for the lower vans have the flip down 
> handle.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Horrible ladder rack… Ladder hanging over the side, handle sticking out even 
> farther:
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Good design:
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Mark
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> On Oct 15, 2016, at 4:15 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com 
> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
> 
>  
> 
> I’ve seen vans with the Prime Design racks with the handle folded and stowed 
> like you say.  I don’t know if that’s a newer design or maybe just for low 
> roof vans or something, but yes there seems to be a discrepancy.  Sounds like 
> Mark has them, maybe he can chime in?
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
> Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:37 PM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
> 
>  
> 
> Basically that, but the ones I'm familiar with the pole is always connected, 
> and once the ladder is in place the pole folds against the side of the 
> vehicle up top and has a spot for a padlock.
> 
>  
> 
> On Oct 15, 2016 11:37 AM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com 
> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDkx87s6FmA 
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDkx87s6FmA>
>  
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YqkK856WRI=youtu.be 
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YqkK856WRI=youtu.be>
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
> Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 10:55 AM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
> 
>  
> 
> Good ladder kits mount the ladders on top. There 

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Sam Kirsch]

I'd say you better be pretty damn sure that everything in that van is 
secure, and will be re-secured throughout the day, and secure enough to 
stop it from flying into the back of your head in an accident.


Plus you better be damn sure that anyone you put in that van is going to 
be as diligent about safely securing items as you would be at which 
point I'd just vote for the damn divider ;)


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-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 10/17/2016 4:37:40 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

I'll have to see some examples before I decide.  I like the safety part 
of it, but I'd rather be able to go from driver seat to the back 
without walking around the entire vehicle.  I also like the idea of 
dual sliding doors for the same reason.



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 4:33 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
Also whether to add a partition along with those shelves.  (so you can 
make extra money transporting prisoners on weekends)  (or picking up 
stray dogs)




From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 3:16 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans



So it sounds like everyone is pretty happy with Ford work vans 
(excluding the chinsey Connect).  Just need Ranger shelves and Prime 
Design ladder racks for stuff and job's done?






Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 5:37 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com> 
wrote:


We have the Prime Design on our 2010 E150. It has the permanently 
attached collapsible handles. Not sure exactly which model. That's 
the only rack I'd put on any new truck.


On 10/15/2016 4:20 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:


Prime Design is the one with the ladders centered over the van.



Mark







On Oct 15, 2016, at 4:54 PM, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:




Who makes the good one?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Oct 15, 2016 4:48 PM, "Mark Radabaugh" <m...@amplex.net> wrote:

All of the Prime Design ones I have seen have the removable 
handle.I think some of the WeatherGuard ones for the lower 
vans have the flip down handle.






Horrible ladder rack… Ladder hanging over the side, handle 
sticking out even farther:










Good design:









Mark






On Oct 15, 2016, at 4:15 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:



I’ve seen vans with the Prime Design racks with the handle folded 
and stowed like you say.  I don’t know if that’s a newer design 
or maybe just for low roof vans or something, but yes there seems 
to be a discrepancy.  Sounds like Mark has them, maybe he can 
chime in?






From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:37 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans



Basically that, but the ones I'm familiar with the pole is always 
connected, and once the ladder is in place the pole folds against 
the side of the vehicle up top and has a spot for a padlock.




On Oct 15, 2016 11:37 AM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDkx87s6FmA



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YqkK856WRI=youtu.be





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh 
Reynolds

Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 10:55 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans



Good ladder kits mount the ladders on top. There is a level that 
pulls the ladder down to the side of the vehicle, then you just 
pull it off the hangers. They also have locks.




On Oct 15, 2016 1:36 AM, "Paul McCall" <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:


For those with the higher roof vans, two questions.

Can you go through a fast food drive through?



How do you get ladders on /off?  Do they make a ladder kit that 
flips over the side or something?




From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe 
Falaschi

Sent: Friday, October 7, 2016 11:26 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans



We like the dual sliding doors.  We install shelving on the 
driver side door entry way for easy access to tools.  The 
Transit connects are decent.  The full size transits are too 
large for us - mileage is too big of a hit.  I’m sure they will 
last longer but by the time they are 5 or 6 years old the wrap 
is tired and it’s worth nothing, new stuff is out, might as 
well just plan on a 4 year replacement cycle an

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Mark Radabaugh]

Come visit - you can check out the Ford Transit, Nissan NV, Chrysler Promaster, 
and Freightliner Sprinter versions.

Mark



> On Oct 17, 2016, at 4:37 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
> 
> I'll have to see some examples before I decide.  I like the safety part of 
> it, but I'd rather be able to go from driver seat to the back without walking 
> around the entire vehicle.  I also like the idea of dual sliding doors for 
> the same reason.
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 4:33 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com 
> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
> Also whether to add a partition along with those shelves.  (so you can make 
> extra money transporting prisoners on weekends)  (or picking up stray dogs)
> 
>   <>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 3:16 PM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
> 
>  
> 
> So it sounds like everyone is pretty happy with Ford work vans (excluding the 
> chinsey Connect).  Just need Ranger shelves and Prime Design ladder racks for 
> stuff and job's done?
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 
> Direct: 937-552-2343 
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>  
> 
> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 5:37 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com 
> <mailto:geo...@cbcast.com>> wrote:
> 
> We have the Prime Design on our 2010 E150. It has the permanently attached 
> collapsible handles. Not sure exactly which model. That's the only rack I'd 
> put on any new truck.
> 
> On 10/15/2016 4:20 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
> 
> Prime Design is the one with the ladders centered over the van.
> 
>  
> 
> Mark
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> On Oct 15, 2016, at 4:54 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
> <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
> 
>  
> 
> Who makes the good one?
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 
> Direct: 937-552-2343 
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>  
> 
> On Oct 15, 2016 4:48 PM, "Mark Radabaugh" <m...@amplex.net 
> <mailto:m...@amplex.net>> wrote:
> 
> All of the Prime Design ones I have seen have the removable handle.I 
> think some of the WeatherGuard ones for the lower vans have the flip down 
> handle.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Horrible ladder rack… Ladder hanging over the side, handle sticking out even 
> farther:
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Good design:
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Mark
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> On Oct 15, 2016, at 4:15 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com 
> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
> 
>  
> 
> I’ve seen vans with the Prime Design racks with the handle folded and stowed 
> like you say.  I don’t know if that’s a newer design or maybe just for low 
> roof vans or something, but yes there seems to be a discrepancy.  Sounds like 
> Mark has them, maybe he can chime in?
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
> Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:37 PM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
> 
>  
> 
> Basically that, but the ones I'm familiar with the pole is always connected, 
> and once the ladder is in place the pole folds against the side of the 
> vehicle up top and has a spot for a padlock.
> 
>  
> 
> On Oct 15, 2016 11:37 AM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com 
> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDkx87s6FmA 
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDkx87s6FmA>
>  
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YqkK856WRI=youtu.be 
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YqkK856WRI=youtu.be>
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
> Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 10:55 AM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
> 
>  
> 
> Good ladder kits mount the ladders on top. There is a level that pulls the 
> ladder down to the side of the vehicle, then you just pull it off the 
> hangers. They also have locks.
> 
>  
> 
> On Oct 15, 2016 1:36 AM, "Paul McCall" <pa...@pdmnet.net 
> <ma

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Josh Luthman]

I'll have to see some examples before I decide.  I like the safety part of
it, but I'd rather be able to go from driver seat to the back without
walking around the entire vehicle.  I also like the idea of dual sliding
doors for the same reason.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 4:33 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

> Also whether to add a partition along with those shelves.  (so you can
> make extra money transporting prisoners on weekends)  (or picking up stray
> dogs)
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2016 3:16 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>
>
>
> So it sounds like everyone is pretty happy with Ford work vans (excluding
> the chinsey Connect).  Just need Ranger shelves and Prime Design ladder
> racks for stuff and job's done?
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 5:37 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:
>
> We have the Prime Design on our 2010 E150. It has the permanently attached
> collapsible handles. Not sure exactly which model. That's the only rack I'd
> put on any new truck.
>
> On 10/15/2016 4:20 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
>
> Prime Design is the one with the ladders centered over the van.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 15, 2016, at 4:54 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Who makes the good one?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Oct 15, 2016 4:48 PM, "Mark Radabaugh" <m...@amplex.net> wrote:
>
> All of the Prime Design ones I have seen have the removable handle.I
> think some of the WeatherGuard ones for the lower vans have the flip down
> handle.
>
>
>
>
>
> Horrible ladder rack… Ladder hanging over the side, handle sticking out
> even farther:
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
>
> Good design:
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 15, 2016, at 4:15 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> I’ve seen vans with the Prime Design racks with the handle folded and
> stowed like you say.  I don’t know if that’s a newer design or maybe just
> for low roof vans or something, but yes there seems to be a discrepancy.
> Sounds like Mark has them, maybe he can chime in?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
> Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:37 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>
>
>
> Basically that, but the ones I'm familiar with the pole is always
> connected, and once the ladder is in place the pole folds against the side
> of the vehicle up top and has a spot for a padlock.
>
>
>
> On Oct 15, 2016 11:37 AM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDkx87s6FmA
>
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YqkK856WRI=youtu.be
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 10:55 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>
>
>
> Good ladder kits mount the ladders on top. There is a level that pulls the
> ladder down to the side of the vehicle, then you just pull it off the
> hangers. They also have locks.
>
>
>
> On Oct 15, 2016 1:36 AM, "Paul McCall" <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:
>
> For those with the higher roof vans, two questions.
>
> Can you go through a fast food drive through?
>
>
>
> How do you get ladders on /off?  Do they make a ladder kit that flips over
> the side or something?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Joe Falaschi
> *Sent:* Friday, October 7, 2016 11:26 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>
>
>
> We like the dual sliding doors.  We install shelving on the driver side
> door entry way for easy access to tools.  The Transit connects are decent.
> The full size transits are too large for us - mileage is too big of a hit.
> I’m sure they will last longer but by the time they are 5 or 6 years old
> the wrap is tired and it’s worth nothing, new stuff is out, might as well
> just plan on a 4 year replacement cycle and have something t

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Ken Hohhof]

Also whether to add a partition along with those shelves.  (so you can make 
extra money transporting prisoners on weekends)  (or picking up stray dogs)

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 3:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

 

So it sounds like everyone is pretty happy with Ford work vans (excluding the 
chinsey Connect).  Just need Ranger shelves and Prime Design ladder racks for 
stuff and job's done?




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 5:37 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com 
<mailto:geo...@cbcast.com> > wrote:

We have the Prime Design on our 2010 E150. It has the permanently attached 
collapsible handles. Not sure exactly which model. That's the only rack I'd put 
on any new truck.

On 10/15/2016 4:20 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

Prime Design is the one with the ladders centered over the van. 

 

Mark

 

 

 

On Oct 15, 2016, at 4:54 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

 

Who makes the good one?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340  
Direct: 937-552-2343  
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Oct 15, 2016 4:48 PM, "Mark Radabaugh" <m...@amplex.net 
<mailto:m...@amplex.net> > wrote:

All of the Prime Design ones I have seen have the removable handle.I think 
some of the WeatherGuard ones for the lower vans have the flip down handle. 

 

 

Horrible ladder rack… Ladder hanging over the side, handle sticking out even 
farther:

 



 

 

Good design:

 



 

 

Mark

 

 

On Oct 15, 2016, at 4:15 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com 
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

 

I’ve seen vans with the Prime Design racks with the handle folded and stowed 
like you say.  I don’t know if that’s a newer design or maybe just for low roof 
vans or something, but yes there seems to be a discrepancy.  Sounds like Mark 
has them, maybe he can chime in?

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

 

Basically that, but the ones I'm familiar with the pole is always connected, 
and once the ladder is in place the pole folds against the side of the vehicle 
up top and has a spot for a padlock.

 

On Oct 15, 2016 11:37 AM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com 
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDkx87s6FmA

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YqkK856WRI 
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YqkK856WRI=youtu.be> =youtu.be

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf 
Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 10:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

 

Good ladder kits mount the ladders on top. There is a level that pulls the 
ladder down to the side of the vehicle, then you just pull it off the hangers. 
They also have locks.

 

On Oct 15, 2016 1:36 AM, "Paul McCall" <pa...@pdmnet.net 
<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net> > wrote:

For those with the higher roof vans, two questions.

Can you go through a fast food drive through?

 

How do you get ladders on /off?  Do they make a ladder kit that flips over the 
side or something?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf 
Of Joe Falaschi
Sent: Friday, October 7, 2016 11:26 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

 

We like the dual sliding doors.  We install shelving on the driver side door 
entry way for easy access to tools.  The Transit connects are decent.  The full 
size transits are too large for us - mileage is too big of a hit.  I’m sure 
they will last longer but by the time they are 5 or 6 years old the wrap is 
tired and it’s worth nothing, new stuff is out, might as well just plan on a 4 
year replacement cycle and have something that always works.  We’ve had some 
issues with the older transit connects as they get into the 100k mileage range. 
 Our new vans are Promaster Cities.  They get better mileage than our Transit 
Connects and are hopefully a little tougher.  There are some great incentives 
on the Ram Promaster City vans right now.

 

Joe Falaschi

e-vergent

 

 

 

On Oct 4, 2016, at 11:32 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com 
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

 

I am also looking at Ford Transit, medium roof 130” wheelbase 3.5L Ecoboost.  
Trying to decide if the dual sliding doors option is brilliant or stupid.

 

A dealer near me bought up a bunch of 2016 Transits with hail damage, I decided 
to pass on that.  I think that means a salvage title.

 

 

From: Af [ <m

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Josh Luthman]

So it sounds like everyone is pretty happy with Ford work vans (excluding
the chinsey Connect).  Just need Ranger shelves and Prime Design ladder
racks for stuff and job's done?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 5:37 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:

> We have the Prime Design on our 2010 E150. It has the permanently attached
> collapsible handles. Not sure exactly which model. That's the only rack I'd
> put on any new truck.
>
> On 10/15/2016 4:20 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
>
> Prime Design is the one with the ladders centered over the van.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On Oct 15, 2016, at 4:54 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> wrote:
>
> Who makes the good one?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Oct 15, 2016 4:48 PM, "Mark Radabaugh" <m...@amplex.net> wrote:
>
>> All of the Prime Design ones I have seen have the removable handle.I
>> think some of the WeatherGuard ones for the lower vans have the flip down
>> handle.
>>
>>
>> Horrible ladder rack… Ladder hanging over the side, handle sticking out
>> even farther:
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> Good design:
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>> On Oct 15, 2016, at 4:15 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>
>> I’ve seen vans with the Prime Design racks with the handle folded and
>> stowed like you say.  I don’t know if that’s a newer design or maybe just
>> for low roof vans or something, but yes there seems to be a discrepancy.
>> Sounds like Mark has them, maybe he can chime in?
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
>> Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
>> *Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:37 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>>
>> Basically that, but the ones I'm familiar with the pole is always
>> connected, and once the ladder is in place the pole folds against the side
>> of the vehicle up top and has a spot for a padlock.
>>
>> On Oct 15, 2016 11:37 AM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDkx87s6FmA
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YqkK856WRI=youtu.be
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
>> *Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 10:55 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>>
>>
>> Good ladder kits mount the ladders on top. There is a level that pulls
>> the ladder down to the side of the vehicle, then you just pull it off the
>> hangers. They also have locks.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 15, 2016 1:36 AM, "Paul McCall" <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:
>>
>> For those with the higher roof vans, two questions.
>>
>> Can you go through a fast food drive through?
>>
>>
>>
>> How do you get ladders on /off?  Do they make a ladder kit that flips
>> over the side or something?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Joe Falaschi
>> *Sent:* Friday, October 7, 2016 11:26 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>>
>>
>>
>> We like the dual sliding doors.  We install shelving on the driver side
>> door entry way for easy access to tools.  The Transit connects are decent.
>> The full size transits are too large for us - mileage is too big of a hit.
>> I’m sure they will last longer but by the time they are 5 or 6 years old
>> the wrap is tired and it’s worth nothing, new stuff is out, might as well
>> just plan on a 4 year replacement cycle and have something that always
>> works.  We’ve had some issues with the older transit connects as they get
>> into the 100k mileage range.  Our new vans are Promaster Cities.  They get
>> better mileage than our Transit Connects and are hopefully a little
>> tougher.  There are some great incentives on the Ram Promaster City vans
>> right now.
>>
>>
>>
>> Joe Falaschi
>>
>> e-vergent
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 4, 2016, at 11:32 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> I am also looking at Ford Transit, medium roof 130” wheelbase 3.5L
>> Ecoboost.  Trying to decide if the dua

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[George Skorup]

We have the Prime Design on our 2010 E150. It has the permanently 
attached collapsible handles. Not sure exactly which model. That's the 
only rack I'd put on any new truck.


On 10/15/2016 4:20 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

Prime Design is the one with the ladders centered over the van.

Mark



On Oct 15, 2016, at 4:54 PM, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:


Who makes the good one?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Oct 15, 2016 4:48 PM, "Mark Radabaugh" <m...@amplex.net 
<mailto:m...@amplex.net>> wrote:


All of the Prime Design ones I have seen have the removable
handle.I think some of the WeatherGuard ones for the lower
vans have the flip down handle.


Horrible ladder rack… Ladder hanging over the side, handle
sticking out even farther:




Good design:




Mark



On Oct 15, 2016, at 4:15 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

I’ve seen vans with the Prime Design racks with the handle
folded and stowed like you say.  I don’t know if that’s a newer
design or maybe just for low roof vans or something, but yes
there seems to be a discrepancy.  Sounds like Mark has them,
maybe he can chime in?
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
*Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:37 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
Basically that, but the ones I'm familiar with the pole is
always connected, and once the ladder is in place the pole folds
against the side of the vehicle up top and has a spot for a padlock.
On Oct 15, 2016 11:37 AM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDkx87s6FmA
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDkx87s6FmA>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YqkK856WRI=youtu.be
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YqkK856WRI=youtu.be>

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
*Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 10:55 AM
    *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

Good ladder kits mount the ladders on top. There is a level
that pulls the ladder down to the side of the vehicle, then you
just pull it off the hangers. They also have locks.

On Oct 15, 2016 1:36 AM, "Paul McCall" <pa...@pdmnet.net
<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:


For those with the higher roof vans, two questions.

Can you go through a fast food drive through?

How do you get ladders on /off?  Do they make a ladder kit
that flips over the side or something?

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Joe Falaschi
    *Sent:* Friday, October 7, 2016 11:26 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

We like the dual sliding doors.  We install shelving on the
driver side door entry way for easy access to tools.  The
Transit connects are decent.  The full size transits are too
large for us - mileage is too big of a hit.  I’m sure they
will last longer but by the time they are 5 or 6 years old the
wrap is tired and it’s worth nothing, new stuff is out, might
as well just plan on a 4 year replacement cycle and have
something that always works. We’ve had some issues with the
older transit connects as they get into the 100k mileage
range.  Our new vans are Promaster Cities.  They get better
mileage than our Transit Connects and are hopefully a little
tougher. There are some great incentives on the Ram Promaster
City vans right now.

Joe Falaschi

e-vergent


On Oct 4, 2016, at 11:32 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

I am also looking at Ford Transit, medium roof 130” wheelbase
3.5L Ecoboost. Trying to decide if the dual sliding doors
option is brilliant or stupid.

A dealer near me bought up a bunch of 2016 Transits with hail
damage, I decided to pass on that. I think that means a
salvage title.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com]*On Behalf Of*Josh Luthman
*Sent:*Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:10 AM
*To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:*[AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

I already have a Tacoma which is great, but I'm looking for a
second vehicle for a second driver.  I'd like to try a work
van to keep everything inside.  Maybe even warm parts for the
winter.

I'm looking at the Ford Transit and would love to hear of any
additional suggestions/experiences.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Mark Radabaugh]

Prime Design is the one with the ladders centered over the van.

Mark



> On Oct 15, 2016, at 4:54 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
> 
> Who makes the good one?
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> 
> On Oct 15, 2016 4:48 PM, "Mark Radabaugh" <m...@amplex.net 
> <mailto:m...@amplex.net>> wrote:
> All of the Prime Design ones I have seen have the removable handle.I 
> think some of the WeatherGuard ones for the lower vans have the flip down 
> handle.
> 
> 
> Horrible ladder rack… Ladder hanging over the side, handle sticking out even 
> farther:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Good design:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
>> On Oct 15, 2016, at 4:15 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com 
>> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I’ve seen vans with the Prime Design racks with the handle folded and stowed 
>> like you say.  I don’t know if that’s a newer design or maybe just for low 
>> roof vans or something, but yes there seems to be a discrepancy.  Sounds 
>> like Mark has them, maybe he can chime in?
>>  
>>   <>
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
>> Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
>> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:37 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>>  
>> Basically that, but the ones I'm familiar with the pole is always connected, 
>> and once the ladder is in place the pole folds against the side of the 
>> vehicle up top and has a spot for a padlock.
>>  
>> On Oct 15, 2016 11:37 AM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com 
>> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDkx87s6FmA 
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDkx87s6FmA>
>>>  
>>> 
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YqkK856WRI=youtu.be 
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YqkK856WRI=youtu.be>
>>>  
>>> 
>>>   <>
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
>>> Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 10:55 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Good ladder kits mount the ladders on top. There is a level that pulls the 
>>> ladder down to the side of the vehicle, then you just pull it off the 
>>> hangers. They also have locks.
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On Oct 15, 2016 1:36 AM, "Paul McCall" <pa...@pdmnet.net 
>>> <mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> For those with the higher roof vans, two questions.
>>>> 
>>>> Can you go through a fast food drive through?
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> How do you get ladders on /off?  Do they make a ladder kit that flips over 
>>>> the side or something?
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Joe Falaschi
>>>> Sent: Friday, October 7, 2016 11:26 AM
>>>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> We like the dual sliding doors.  We install shelving on the driver side 
>>>> door entry way for easy access to tools.  The Transit connects are decent. 
>>>>  The full size transits are too large for us - mileage is too big of a 
>>>> hit.  I’m sure they will last longer but by the time they are 5 or 6 years 
>>>> old the wrap is tired and it’s worth nothing, new stuff is out, might as 
>>>> well just plan on a 4 year replacement cycle and have something that 
>>>> always works.  We’ve had some issues with the older transit connects as 
>>>> they get into the 100k mileage range.  Our new vans are Promaster Cities.  
>>>> They get better mileage than our Transit Connects and are hopefully a 
>>>> little tougher.  There are some great incentives on the Ram Promaster City 
>>>> vans right now.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Joe Falaschi
>>>> 
>>>> e-vergent
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Ken Hohhof]

I’ve seen vans with the Prime Design racks with the handle folded and stowed 
like you say.  I don’t know if that’s a newer design or maybe just for low roof 
vans or something, but yes there seems to be a discrepancy.  Sounds like Mark 
has them, maybe he can chime in?

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

 

Basically that, but the ones I'm familiar with the pole is always connected, 
and once the ladder is in place the pole folds against the side of the vehicle 
up top and has a spot for a padlock.

 

On Oct 15, 2016 11:37 AM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com 
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDkx87s6FmA

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YqkK856WRI 
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YqkK856WRI=youtu.be> =youtu.be

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf 
Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 10:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

 

Good ladder kits mount the ladders on top. There is a level that pulls the 
ladder down to the side of the vehicle, then you just pull it off the hangers. 
They also have locks.

 

On Oct 15, 2016 1:36 AM, "Paul McCall" <pa...@pdmnet.net 
<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net> > wrote:

For those with the higher roof vans, two questions.

Can you go through a fast food drive through?

 

How do you get ladders on /off?  Do they make a ladder kit that flips over the 
side or something?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf 
Of Joe Falaschi
Sent: Friday, October 7, 2016 11:26 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

 

We like the dual sliding doors.  We install shelving on the driver side door 
entry way for easy access to tools.  The Transit connects are decent.  The full 
size transits are too large for us - mileage is too big of a hit.  I’m sure 
they will last longer but by the time they are 5 or 6 years old the wrap is 
tired and it’s worth nothing, new stuff is out, might as well just plan on a 4 
year replacement cycle and have something that always works.  We’ve had some 
issues with the older transit connects as they get into the 100k mileage range. 
 Our new vans are Promaster Cities.  They get better mileage than our Transit 
Connects and are hopefully a little tougher.  There are some great incentives 
on the Ram Promaster City vans right now.

 

Joe Falaschi

e-vergent

 

 

 

On Oct 4, 2016, at 11:32 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com 
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

 

I am also looking at Ford Transit, medium roof 130” wheelbase 3.5L Ecoboost.  
Trying to decide if the dual sliding doors option is brilliant or stupid.

 

A dealer near me bought up a bunch of 2016 Transits with hail damage, I decided 
to pass on that.  I think that means a salvage title.

 

 

From: Af [ <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:10 AM
To:  <mailto:af@afmug.com> af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

 

I already have a Tacoma which is great, but I'm looking for a second vehicle 
for a second driver.  I'd like to try a work van to keep everything inside.  
Maybe even warm parts for the winter.

 

I'm looking at the Ford Transit and would love to hear of any additional 
suggestions/experiences.


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340  
Direct: 937-552-2343  
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Josh Reynolds]

Basically that, but the ones I'm familiar with the pole is always
connected, and once the ladder is in place the pole folds against the side
of the vehicle up top and has a spot for a padlock.

On Oct 15, 2016 11:37 AM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDkx87s6FmA
>
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YqkK856WRI=youtu.be
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 10:55 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>
>
>
> Good ladder kits mount the ladders on top. There is a level that pulls the
> ladder down to the side of the vehicle, then you just pull it off the
> hangers. They also have locks.
>
>
>
> On Oct 15, 2016 1:36 AM, "Paul McCall" <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:
>
> For those with the higher roof vans, two questions.
>
> Can you go through a fast food drive through?
>
>
>
> How do you get ladders on /off?  Do they make a ladder kit that flips over
> the side or something?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Joe Falaschi
> *Sent:* Friday, October 7, 2016 11:26 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>
>
>
> We like the dual sliding doors.  We install shelving on the driver side
> door entry way for easy access to tools.  The Transit connects are decent.
> The full size transits are too large for us - mileage is too big of a hit.
> I’m sure they will last longer but by the time they are 5 or 6 years old
> the wrap is tired and it’s worth nothing, new stuff is out, might as well
> just plan on a 4 year replacement cycle and have something that always
> works.  We’ve had some issues with the older transit connects as they get
> into the 100k mileage range.  Our new vans are Promaster Cities.  They get
> better mileage than our Transit Connects and are hopefully a little
> tougher.  There are some great incentives on the Ram Promaster City vans
> right now.
>
>
>
> Joe Falaschi
>
> e-vergent
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 4, 2016, at 11:32 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> I am also looking at Ford Transit, medium roof 130” wheelbase 3.5L
> Ecoboost.  Trying to decide if the dual sliding doors option is brilliant
> or stupid.
>
>
>
> A dealer near me bought up a bunch of 2016 Transits with hail damage, I
> decided to pass on that.  I think that means a salvage title.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
> Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:10 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>
>
>
> I already have a Tacoma which is great, but I'm looking for a second
> vehicle for a second driver.  I'd like to try a work van to keep everything
> inside.  Maybe even warm parts for the winter.
>
>
>
> I'm looking at the Ford Transit and would love to hear of any additional
> suggestions/experiences.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Ken Hohhof]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDkx87s6FmA

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YqkK856WRI 
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YqkK856WRI=youtu.be> =youtu.be

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 10:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

 

Good ladder kits mount the ladders on top. There is a level that pulls the 
ladder down to the side of the vehicle, then you just pull it off the hangers. 
They also have locks.

 

On Oct 15, 2016 1:36 AM, "Paul McCall" <pa...@pdmnet.net 
<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net> > wrote:

For those with the higher roof vans, two questions.

Can you go through a fast food drive through?

 

How do you get ladders on /off?  Do they make a ladder kit that flips over the 
side or something?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf 
Of Joe Falaschi
Sent: Friday, October 7, 2016 11:26 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

 

We like the dual sliding doors.  We install shelving on the driver side door 
entry way for easy access to tools.  The Transit connects are decent.  The full 
size transits are too large for us - mileage is too big of a hit.  I’m sure 
they will last longer but by the time they are 5 or 6 years old the wrap is 
tired and it’s worth nothing, new stuff is out, might as well just plan on a 4 
year replacement cycle and have something that always works.  We’ve had some 
issues with the older transit connects as they get into the 100k mileage range. 
 Our new vans are Promaster Cities.  They get better mileage than our Transit 
Connects and are hopefully a little tougher.  There are some great incentives 
on the Ram Promaster City vans right now.

 

Joe Falaschi

e-vergent

 

 

 

On Oct 4, 2016, at 11:32 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com 
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

 

I am also looking at Ford Transit, medium roof 130” wheelbase 3.5L Ecoboost.  
Trying to decide if the dual sliding doors option is brilliant or stupid.

 

A dealer near me bought up a bunch of 2016 Transits with hail damage, I decided 
to pass on that.  I think that means a salvage title.

 

 

From: Af [ <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:10 AM
To:  <mailto:af@afmug.com> af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

 

I already have a Tacoma which is great, but I'm looking for a second vehicle 
for a second driver.  I'd like to try a work van to keep everything inside.  
Maybe even warm parts for the winter.

 

I'm looking at the Ford Transit and would love to hear of any additional 
suggestions/experiences.


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340  
Direct: 937-552-2343  
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Josh Reynolds]

Good ladder kits mount the ladders on top. There is a level that pulls the
ladder down to the side of the vehicle, then you just pull it off the
hangers. They also have locks.

On Oct 15, 2016 1:36 AM, "Paul McCall" <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:

> For those with the higher roof vans, two questions.
>
> Can you go through a fast food drive through?
>
>
>
> How do you get ladders on /off?  Do they make a ladder kit that flips over
> the side or something?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Joe Falaschi
> *Sent:* Friday, October 7, 2016 11:26 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>
>
>
> We like the dual sliding doors.  We install shelving on the driver side
> door entry way for easy access to tools.  The Transit connects are decent.
> The full size transits are too large for us - mileage is too big of a hit.
> I’m sure they will last longer but by the time they are 5 or 6 years old
> the wrap is tired and it’s worth nothing, new stuff is out, might as well
> just plan on a 4 year replacement cycle and have something that always
> works.  We’ve had some issues with the older transit connects as they get
> into the 100k mileage range.  Our new vans are Promaster Cities.  They get
> better mileage than our Transit Connects and are hopefully a little
> tougher.  There are some great incentives on the Ram Promaster City vans
> right now.
>
>
>
> Joe Falaschi
>
> e-vergent
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 4, 2016, at 11:32 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> I am also looking at Ford Transit, medium roof 130” wheelbase 3.5L
> Ecoboost.  Trying to decide if the dual sliding doors option is brilliant
> or stupid.
>
>
>
> A dealer near me bought up a bunch of 2016 Transits with hail damage, I
> decided to pass on that.  I think that means a salvage title.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
> Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:10 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>
>
>
> I already have a Tacoma which is great, but I'm looking for a second
> vehicle for a second driver.  I'd like to try a work van to keep everything
> inside.  Maybe even warm parts for the winter.
>
>
>
> I'm looking at the Ford Transit and would love to hear of any additional
> suggestions/experiences.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Ken Hohhof]

I've taken to asking workers about their ladder racks on higher roof vans
(the people who use them, not their bosses who buy them) and I consistently
get the same answer as Mark said - Prime Design.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of mark
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 8:37 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans


On 2016-10-15 02:36, Paul McCall wrote:
> For those with the higher roof vans, two questions.
> 
> Can you go through a fast food drive through?


You can, but it gets kind of expensive fixing the awnings after a while.


> 
> How do you get ladders on /off?  Do they make a ladder kit that flips 
> over the side or something?


The only good one is https://www.primedesign.net/products/ergorack/

Flips over the side of the van and then drops one end so you can get it on
and off.

The WeatherGuard version of this rack sucks - the handle and ladder sticks
almost a foot over the side of the van and ends up getting damaged (and
damaging) trees, overhead door frames, etc.

Mark

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[mark]

On 2016-10-15 02:36, Paul McCall wrote:

For those with the higher roof vans, two questions.

Can you go through a fast food drive through?



You can, but it gets kind of expensive fixing the awnings after a while.




How do you get ladders on /off?  Do they make a ladder kit that flips
over the side or something?



The only good one is https://www.primedesign.net/products/ergorack/

Flips over the side of the van and then drops one end so you can get it 
on and off.


The WeatherGuard version of this rack sucks - the handle and ladder 
sticks almost a foot over the side of the van and ends up getting 
damaged (and damaging) trees, overhead door frames, etc.


Mark

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Paul McCall]

For those with the higher roof vans, two questions.
Can you go through a fast food drive through?

How do you get ladders on /off?  Do they make a ladder kit that flips over the 
side or something?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe Falaschi
Sent: Friday, October 7, 2016 11:26 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

We like the dual sliding doors.  We install shelving on the driver side door 
entry way for easy access to tools.  The Transit connects are decent.  The full 
size transits are too large for us - mileage is too big of a hit.  I’m sure 
they will last longer but by the time they are 5 or 6 years old the wrap is 
tired and it’s worth nothing, new stuff is out, might as well just plan on a 4 
year replacement cycle and have something that always works.  We’ve had some 
issues with the older transit connects as they get into the 100k mileage range. 
 Our new vans are Promaster Cities.  They get better mileage than our Transit 
Connects and are hopefully a little tougher.  There are some great incentives 
on the Ram Promaster City vans right now.

Joe Falaschi
e-vergent



On Oct 4, 2016, at 11:32 AM, Ken Hohhof 
<af...@kwisp.com<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

I am also looking at Ford Transit, medium roof 130” wheelbase 3.5L Ecoboost.  
Trying to decide if the dual sliding doors option is brilliant or stupid.

A dealer near me bought up a bunch of 2016 Transits with hail damage, I decided 
to pass on that.  I think that means a salvage title.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

I already have a Tacoma which is great, but I'm looking for a second vehicle 
for a second driver.  I'd like to try a work van to keep everything inside.  
Maybe even warm parts for the winter.

I'm looking at the Ford Transit and would love to hear of any additional 
suggestions/experiences.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Joe Falaschi]

We like the dual sliding doors.  We install shelving on the driver side door 
entry way for easy access to tools.  The Transit connects are decent.  The full 
size transits are too large for us - mileage is too big of a hit.  I’m sure 
they will last longer but by the time they are 5 or 6 years old the wrap is 
tired and it’s worth nothing, new stuff is out, might as well just plan on a 4 
year replacement cycle and have something that always works.  We’ve had some 
issues with the older transit connects as they get into the 100k mileage range. 
 Our new vans are Promaster Cities.  They get better mileage than our Transit 
Connects and are hopefully a little tougher.  There are some great incentives 
on the Ram Promaster City vans right now.

Joe Falaschi
e-vergent



> On Oct 4, 2016, at 11:32 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> I am also looking at Ford Transit, medium roof 130” wheelbase 3.5L Ecoboost.  
> Trying to decide if the dual sliding doors option is brilliant or stupid.
>  
> A dealer near me bought up a bunch of 2016 Transits with hail damage, I 
> decided to pass on that.  I think that means a salvage title.
>  
>   <>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On 
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:10 AM
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>  
> I already have a Tacoma which is great, but I'm looking for a second vehicle 
> for a second driver.  I'd like to try a work van to keep everything inside.  
> Maybe even warm parts for the winter.
>  
> I'm looking at the Ford Transit and would love to hear of any additional 
> suggestions/experiences.
>  
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Darin Steffl]

I haven't seen anyone recommend the Ram ProMaster City yet.

We have two of them and no major problems. Just minor stuff like HVAC relay
going bad and high beams not working on one of them.

Otherwise they're nice and ride good.

On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 8:47 AM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:

> Our 2003 Ford E-150 has over 390,000 miles.  No trans problems, just
> differential at 200,000, probably from towing.   Just did a full tune-up,
> still runs like a top.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 4, 2016 1:48 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>
>
>
> Transit and Transit Connect are totally different vehicles, should not be
> discussed in same thread.
>
>
>
> Also, I have a 1995 E150 that I bought for $4000 in 2005.  Can’t really
> complain about a 21 year old vehicle that’s still in service.  The trans
> was rebuilt around 140K miles, the U-joints have been replaced, and it
> leaks a quart of oil every couple months, but hey, it’s older than some
> people on this list.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
> Behalf Of *George Skorup
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 4, 2016 2:34 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>
>
>
> We have four T/C's. It's just a Focus. Complete pieces of shit.
>
> One with tons of electrical problems that no dealer can fix. They replaced
> the entire fuse/relay box and wiring harness for like $4k. Still isn't
> fixed.
>
> Another lost reverse. Had it fixed, then the whole trans went a couple
> months later.
>
> But wait, there's more! Yet another. Tech got assholed by an old lady.
> Back doors smashed in. Less than a week later, the trans exploded.
>
> I'm sure the 4th isn't far behind.
>
> Then last year, our 2010 E150 started guzzling oil and tore itself apart.
> Had to have our mech swap in a new motor.
>
> Now, I think GM is horrible, but Ford is nothing but disaster after
> disaster. Found On Road Dead is very fitting. GM = Gimme More (money to
> keep fixing our piss poor engineering).
>
> On 10/4/2016 1:38 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>
> being small it has the benefit, since i use it primarily for
> infrastructure of forcing me to keep it semi orderly since there is no room
> for excess
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I was going to bring that up. The "original" Transit has become the
> Transit Connect. It's essentially a car with a small van body. Probably an
> excellent in-town delivery vehicle and gets outstanding mileage. If your
> needs are relatively modest, it can fit into a lot of situations.
>
> The Transit is an E-series van, and comes in short, medium, and tall
> varieties. It competes with the Mercedes Sprinter and the Dodge ProMaster
> and the like.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
>
>
> On 10/4/2016 11:33 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
> A transit connect or transit? One is pretty much a car, the other is the E
> series replacement.
>
> On Tuesday, October 4, 2016, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> We had a Ford Transit and just got rid of it. It was two years old. I
> can't say anything horrible about it but the guy who drove it always had
> something bad to say. It was to small, couldn't store enough, so low to the
> ground it wouldn't go off the highway, etc. Of course now that he has a
> brand new Dodge Promaster that you could park that transit in it "rides to
> rough". What a pussy.
>
> Anyway, It got really good gas mileage, had a few recalls but nothing
> earth shattering or more than what seems usual these days. Enterprise
> fleet, where we get our vehicles, says they tend to have transmission
> problems around 65k to 70k miles. We didn't experience that and got rid of
> it at 68k.
>
>
>
> It got around 26 MPG HWY and my guy kept it loaded down. With the heavy
> load it never squatted. I will say it does have small tires and is low to
> the ground. City and highway it was good. I thought it was pretty expensive
> for what it is. I think I paid $27k or some such. My full size ProMaster
> was less and gets about 15 MPG.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 12:14 PM Joe Novak <jno...@lrcomm.com> wrote:
>
> http://www.dmv.org/il-illinois/salvaged-vehicles.php
>
>
>
> Salvage titles don't get registered in Illinois... they have to be
> inspected for a 'rebuilt' tilte.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 11:44 AM,

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Rory Conaway]

Our 2003 Ford E-150 has over 390,000 miles.  No trans problems, just 
differential at 200,000, probably from towing.   Just did a full tune-up, still 
runs like a top.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 1:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

Transit and Transit Connect are totally different vehicles, should not be 
discussed in same thread.

Also, I have a 1995 E150 that I bought for $4000 in 2005.  Can’t really 
complain about a 21 year old vehicle that’s still in service.  The trans was 
rebuilt around 140K miles, the U-joints have been replaced, and it leaks a 
quart of oil every couple months, but hey, it’s older than some people on this 
list.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 2:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

We have four T/C's. It's just a Focus. Complete pieces of shit.

One with tons of electrical problems that no dealer can fix. They replaced the 
entire fuse/relay box and wiring harness for like $4k. Still isn't fixed.

Another lost reverse. Had it fixed, then the whole trans went a couple months 
later.

But wait, there's more! Yet another. Tech got assholed by an old lady. Back 
doors smashed in. Less than a week later, the trans exploded.

I'm sure the 4th isn't far behind.

Then last year, our 2010 E150 started guzzling oil and tore itself apart. Had 
to have our mech swap in a new motor.

Now, I think GM is horrible, but Ford is nothing but disaster after disaster. 
Found On Road Dead is very fitting. GM = Gimme More (money to keep fixing our 
piss poor engineering).
On 10/4/2016 1:38 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
being small it has the benefit, since i use it primarily for infrastructure of 
forcing me to keep it semi orderly since there is no room for excess

On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Bill Prince 
<part15...@gmail.com<mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I was going to bring that up. The "original" Transit has become the Transit 
Connect. It's essentially a car with a small van body. Probably an excellent 
in-town delivery vehicle and gets outstanding mileage. If your needs are 
relatively modest, it can fit into a lot of situations.

The Transit is an E-series van, and comes in short, medium, and tall varieties. 
It competes with the Mercedes Sprinter and the Dodge ProMaster and the like.



bp

<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>


On 10/4/2016 11:33 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
A transit connect or transit? One is pretty much a car, the other is the E 
series replacement.

On Tuesday, October 4, 2016, Lewis Bergman 
<lewis.berg...@gmail.com<mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>> wrote:
We had a Ford Transit and just got rid of it. It was two years old. I can't say 
anything horrible about it but the guy who drove it always had something bad to 
say. It was to small, couldn't store enough, so low to the ground it wouldn't 
go off the highway, etc. Of course now that he has a brand new Dodge Promaster 
that you could park that transit in it "rides to rough". What a pussy.
Anyway, It got really good gas mileage, had a few recalls but nothing earth 
shattering or more than what seems usual these days. Enterprise fleet, where we 
get our vehicles, says they tend to have transmission problems around 65k to 
70k miles. We didn't experience that and got rid of it at 68k.

It got around 26 MPG HWY and my guy kept it loaded down. With the heavy load it 
never squatted. I will say it does have small tires and is low to the ground. 
City and highway it was good. I thought it was pretty expensive for what it is. 
I think I paid $27k or some such. My full size ProMaster was less and gets 
about 15 MPG.

On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 12:14 PM Joe Novak 
<jno...@lrcomm.com<mailto:jno...@lrcomm.com>> wrote:
http://www.dmv.org/il-illinois/salvaged-vehicles.php

Salvage titles don't get registered in Illinois... they have to be inspected 
for a 'rebuilt' tilte.


On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 11:44 AM, Ken Hohhof 
<af...@kwisp.com<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
I assume the hail damage was cosmetic and you would just live with it.  They 
were pricing them about 25% off MSRP, but I assume you lose the incentives like 
upfitting allowance, cashback, 0.9% financing that you would get on a new van.  
They were technically used vehicles since they were titled when the insurance 
company paid off the dealer whose lot they were sitting on when the hail hit.  
I also suspect the Carfacts history would affect resale value, since it would 
show up as an insurance salvage vehicle, people think accident or flood damage.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:36 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

Did they fix the 

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

we have the hard plastic floor, that does suck, everything slides, but a
couple mudflaps would fix that if youre too cheap to buy the rubber matt

On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 4:59 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

> Post photos, inside and out.  Need some work van Instagram porn.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 4, 2016 4:48 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>
>
>
> Transits are working good for me.
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 04, 2016 10:32 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>
>
>
> I am also looking at Ford Transit, medium roof 130” wheelbase 3.5L
> Ecoboost.  Trying to decide if the dual sliding doors option is brilliant
> or stupid.
>
>
>
> A dealer near me bought up a bunch of 2016 Transits with hail damage, I
> decided to pass on that.  I think that means a salvage title.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
> Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:10 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>
>
>
> I already have a Tacoma which is great, but I'm looking for a second
> vehicle for a second driver.  I'd like to try a work van to keep everything
> inside.  Maybe even warm parts for the winter.
>
>
>
> I'm looking at the Ford Transit and would love to hear of any additional
> suggestions/experiences.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Ken Hohhof]

Post photos, inside and out.  Need some work van Instagram porn.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 4:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

 

Transits are working good for me.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2016 10:32 AM

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

 

I am also looking at Ford Transit, medium roof 130” wheelbase 3.5L Ecoboost.  
Trying to decide if the dual sliding doors option is brilliant or stupid.

 

A dealer near me bought up a bunch of 2016 Transits with hail damage, I decided 
to pass on that.  I think that means a salvage title.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

 

I already have a Tacoma which is great, but I'm looking for a second vehicle 
for a second driver.  I'd like to try a work van to keep everything inside.  
Maybe even warm parts for the winter.

 

I'm looking at the Ford Transit and would love to hear of any additional 
suggestions/experiences.


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Chuck McCown]

Use a wrap that camouflages the damage.  Like show the surface of a golf ball, 
promise extended range with your internet.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2016 10:44 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

I assume the hail damage was cosmetic and you would just live with it.  They 
were pricing them about 25% off MSRP, but I assume you lose the incentives like 
upfitting allowance, cashback, 0.9% financing that you would get on a new van.  
They were technically used vehicles since they were titled when the insurance 
company paid off the dealer whose lot they were sitting on when the hail hit.  
I also suspect the Carfacts history would affect resale value, since it would 
show up as an insurance salvage vehicle, people think accident or flood damage.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:36 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

 

Did they fix the hail damage?  I doubt repairs were 30k per vehicle.  Might get 
a nice price reduction.




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

  I am also looking at Ford Transit, medium roof 130” wheelbase 3.5L Ecoboost.  
Trying to decide if the dual sliding doors option is brilliant or stupid.

   

  A dealer near me bought up a bunch of 2016 Transits with hail damage, I 
decided to pass on that.  I think that means a salvage title.

   

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
  Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:10 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

   

  I already have a Tacoma which is great, but I'm looking for a second vehicle 
for a second driver.  I'd like to try a work van to keep everything inside.  
Maybe even warm parts for the winter.

   

  I'm looking at the Ford Transit and would love to hear of any additional 
suggestions/experiences.


   

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

 

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Chuck McCown]

Transits are working good for me.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2016 10:32 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

I am also looking at Ford Transit, medium roof 130” wheelbase 3.5L Ecoboost.  
Trying to decide if the dual sliding doors option is brilliant or stupid.

 

A dealer near me bought up a bunch of 2016 Transits with hail damage, I decided 
to pass on that.  I think that means a salvage title.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

 

I already have a Tacoma which is great, but I'm looking for a second vehicle 
for a second driver.  I'd like to try a work van to keep everything inside.  
Maybe even warm parts for the winter.

 

I'm looking at the Ford Transit and would love to hear of any additional 
suggestions/experiences.


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Eric Kuhnke]

Aren't those Ford Transit Connects built in Turkey?

I know this doesn't apply to most of the list, but if I had to choose new
'full size' vans I would buy used Toyota HiAce from Japan. You can import
them with 60,000 km on them. Spare parts are available within the
Seattle-Vancouver region. They also share a lot of common spare
parts/consumables with other models of Toyotas that were sold in the USA,
so stuff like brake rotors, pads, etc are not difficult to find.

https://www.google.com/search?q=toyota+hiace=100=firefox-b=lnms=isch=X=0ahUKEwiXg7SthMLPAhVC72MKHYc7AdMQ_AUICCgB=2000=1368=0.8



On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 12:34 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:

> We have four T/C's. It's just a Focus. Complete pieces of shit.
>
> One with tons of electrical problems that no dealer can fix. They replaced
> the entire fuse/relay box and wiring harness for like $4k. Still isn't
> fixed.
>
> Another lost reverse. Had it fixed, then the whole trans went a couple
> months later.
>
> But wait, there's more! Yet another. Tech got assholed by an old lady.
> Back doors smashed in. Less than a week later, the trans exploded.
>
> I'm sure the 4th isn't far behind.
>
> Then last year, our 2010 E150 started guzzling oil and tore itself apart.
> Had to have our mech swap in a new motor.
>
> Now, I think GM is horrible, but Ford is nothing but disaster after
> disaster. Found On Road Dead is very fitting. GM = Gimme More (money to
> keep fixing our piss poor engineering).
>
> On 10/4/2016 1:38 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>
> being small it has the benefit, since i use it primarily for
> infrastructure of forcing me to keep it semi orderly since there is no room
> for excess
>
> On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I was going to bring that up. The "original" Transit has become the
>> Transit Connect. It's essentially a car with a small van body. Probably an
>> excellent in-town delivery vehicle and gets outstanding mileage. If your
>> needs are relatively modest, it can fit into a lot of situations.
>>
>> The Transit is an E-series van, and comes in short, medium, and tall
>> varieties. It competes with the Mercedes Sprinter and the Dodge ProMaster
>> and the like.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>
>>
>> On 10/4/2016 11:33 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>
>> A transit connect or transit? One is pretty much a car, the other is the
>> E series replacement.
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 4, 2016, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We had a Ford Transit and just got rid of it. It was two years old. I
>>> can't say anything horrible about it but the guy who drove it always had
>>> something bad to say. It was to small, couldn't store enough, so low to the
>>> ground it wouldn't go off the highway, etc. Of course now that he has a
>>> brand new Dodge Promaster that you could park that transit in it "rides to
>>> rough". What a pussy.
>>> Anyway, It got really good gas mileage, had a few recalls but nothing
>>> earth shattering or more than what seems usual these days. Enterprise
>>> fleet, where we get our vehicles, says they tend to have transmission
>>> problems around 65k to 70k miles. We didn't experience that and got rid of
>>> it at 68k.
>>>
>>> It got around 26 MPG HWY and my guy kept it loaded down. With the heavy
>>> load it never squatted. I will say it does have small tires and is low to
>>> the ground. City and highway it was good. I thought it was pretty expensive
>>> for what it is. I think I paid $27k or some such. My full size ProMaster
>>> was less and gets about 15 MPG.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 12:14 PM Joe Novak <jno...@lrcomm.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://www.dmv.org/il-illinois/salvaged-vehicles.php
>>>>
>>>> Salvage titles don't get registered in Illinois... they have to be
>>>> inspected for a 'rebuilt' tilte.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 11:44 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I assume the hail damage was cosmetic and you would just live with
>>>>> it.  They were pricing them about 25% off MSRP, but I assume you lose the
>>>>> incentives like upfitting allowance, cashback, 0.9% financing that you
>>>>> would get on a new van.  They were technically used vehicles since they
>>>>> were titled when the insurance company paid off the dealer whose lot they
>>>>> 

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Ken Hohhof]

Transit and Transit Connect are totally different vehicles, should not be 
discussed in same thread.

 

Also, I have a 1995 E150 that I bought for $4000 in 2005.  Can’t really 
complain about a 21 year old vehicle that’s still in service.  The trans was 
rebuilt around 140K miles, the U-joints have been replaced, and it leaks a 
quart of oil every couple months, but hey, it’s older than some people on this 
list.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 2:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

 

We have four T/C's. It's just a Focus. Complete pieces of shit.

One with tons of electrical problems that no dealer can fix. They replaced the 
entire fuse/relay box and wiring harness for like $4k. Still isn't fixed.

Another lost reverse. Had it fixed, then the whole trans went a couple months 
later.

But wait, there's more! Yet another. Tech got assholed by an old lady. Back 
doors smashed in. Less than a week later, the trans exploded.

I'm sure the 4th isn't far behind.

Then last year, our 2010 E150 started guzzling oil and tore itself apart. Had 
to have our mech swap in a new motor.

Now, I think GM is horrible, but Ford is nothing but disaster after disaster. 
Found On Road Dead is very fitting. GM = Gimme More (money to keep fixing our 
piss poor engineering).

On 10/4/2016 1:38 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

being small it has the benefit, since i use it primarily for infrastructure of 
forcing me to keep it semi orderly since there is no room for excess

 

On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com 
<mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I was going to bring that up. The "original" Transit has become the Transit 
Connect. It's essentially a car with a small van body. Probably an excellent 
in-town delivery vehicle and gets outstanding mileage. If your needs are 
relatively modest, it can fit into a lot of situations.

The Transit is an E-series van, and comes in short, medium, and tall varieties. 
It competes with the Mercedes Sprinter and the Dodge ProMaster and the like.

 

bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
 

On 10/4/2016 11:33 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:

A transit connect or transit? One is pretty much a car, the other is the E 
series replacement.

On Tuesday, October 4, 2016, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com 
<mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com> > wrote:

We had a Ford Transit and just got rid of it. It was two years old. I can't say 
anything horrible about it but the guy who drove it always had something bad to 
say. It was to small, couldn't store enough, so low to the ground it wouldn't 
go off the highway, etc. Of course now that he has a brand new Dodge Promaster 
that you could park that transit in it "rides to rough". What a pussy. 

Anyway, It got really good gas mileage, had a few recalls but nothing earth 
shattering or more than what seems usual these days. Enterprise fleet, where we 
get our vehicles, says they tend to have transmission problems around 65k to 
70k miles. We didn't experience that and got rid of it at 68k.

 

It got around 26 MPG HWY and my guy kept it loaded down. With the heavy load it 
never squatted. I will say it does have small tires and is low to the ground. 
City and highway it was good. I thought it was pretty expensive for what it is. 
I think I paid $27k or some such. My full size ProMaster was less and gets 
about 15 MPG.

 

On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 12:14 PM Joe Novak <jno...@lrcomm.com 
<mailto:jno...@lrcomm.com> > wrote:

http://www.dmv.org/il-illinois/salvaged-vehicles.php

 

Salvage titles don't get registered in Illinois... they have to be inspected 
for a 'rebuilt' tilte.

 

 

On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 11:44 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com 
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

I assume the hail damage was cosmetic and you would just live with it.  They 
were pricing them about 25% off MSRP, but I assume you lose the incentives like 
upfitting allowance, cashback, 0.9% financing that you would get on a new van.  
They were technically used vehicles since they were titled when the insurance 
company paid off the dealer whose lot they were sitting on when the hail hit.  
I also suspect the Carfacts history would affect resale value, since it would 
show up as an insurance salvage vehicle, people think accident or flood damage.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:36 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

 

Did they fix the hail damage?  I doubt repairs were 30k per vehicle.  Might get 
a nice price reduction.




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340  
Direct: 937-552-2343  
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com 
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

I a

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[George Skorup]

We have four T/C's. It's just a Focus. Complete pieces of shit.

One with tons of electrical problems that no dealer can fix. They 
replaced the entire fuse/relay box and wiring harness for like $4k. 
Still isn't fixed.


Another lost reverse. Had it fixed, then the whole trans went a couple 
months later.


But wait, there's more! Yet another. Tech got assholed by an old lady. 
Back doors smashed in. Less than a week later, the trans exploded.


I'm sure the 4th isn't far behind.

Then last year, our 2010 E150 started guzzling oil and tore itself 
apart. Had to have our mech swap in a new motor.


Now, I think GM is horrible, but Ford is nothing but disaster after 
disaster. Found On Road Dead is very fitting. GM = Gimme More (money to 
keep fixing our piss poor engineering).


On 10/4/2016 1:38 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
being small it has the benefit, since i use it primarily for 
infrastructure of forcing me to keep it semi orderly since there is no 
room for excess


On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com 
<mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:


I was going to bring that up. The "original" Transit has become
the Transit Connect. It's essentially a car with a small van body.
Probably an excellent in-town delivery vehicle and gets
outstanding mileage. If your needs are relatively modest, it can
fit into a lot of situations.

The Transit is an E-series van, and comes in short, medium, and
tall varieties. It competes with the Mercedes Sprinter and the
Dodge ProMaster and the like.


bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 10/4/2016 11:33 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:

A transit connect or transit? One is pretty much a car, the other
is the E series replacement.

On Tuesday, October 4, 2016, Lewis Bergman
<lewis.berg...@gmail.com <mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>> wrote:

We had a Ford Transit and just got rid of it. It was two
years old. I can't say anything horrible about it but the guy
who drove it always had something bad to say. It was to
small, couldn't store enough, so low to the ground it
wouldn't go off the highway, etc. Of course now that he has a
brand new Dodge Promaster that you could park that transit in
it "rides to rough". What a pussy.
Anyway, It got really good gas mileage, had a few recalls but
nothing earth shattering or more than what seems usual these
days. Enterprise fleet, where we get our vehicles, says they
tend to have transmission problems around 65k to 70k miles.
We didn't experience that and got rid of it at 68k.

It got around 26 MPG HWY and my guy kept it loaded down. With
the heavy load it never squatted. I will say it does have
small tires and is low to the ground. City and highway it was
good. I thought it was pretty expensive for what it is. I
think I paid $27k or some such. My full size ProMaster was
less and gets about 15 MPG.

On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 12:14 PM Joe Novak <jno...@lrcomm.com>
wrote:

http://www.dmv.org/il-illinois/salvaged-vehicles.php
<http://www.dmv.org/il-illinois/salvaged-vehicles.php>

Salvage titles don't get registered in Illinois... they
have to be inspected for a 'rebuilt' tilte.


On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 11:44 AM, Ken Hohhof
<af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

I assume the hail damage was cosmetic and you would
just live with it.  They were pricing them about 25%
off MSRP, but I assume you lose the incentives like
upfitting allowance, cashback, 0.9% financing that
you would get on a new van.  They were technically
used vehicles since they were titled when the
insurance company paid off the dealer whose lot they
were sitting on when the hail hit.  I also suspect
the Carfacts history would affect resale value, since
it would show up as an insurance salvage vehicle,
people think accident or flood damage.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:36 AM
    *To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

Did they fix the hail damage?  I doubt repairs were
30k per vehicle.  Might get a nice price reduction.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Ken Hohhof
<af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Bill Prince]

sume you
lose the incentives like upfitting allowance,
cashback, 0.9% financing that you would get
on a new van.  They were technically used
vehicles since they were titled when the
insurance company paid off the dealer whose
lot they were sitting on when the hail hit. 
I also suspect the Carfacts history would

affect resale value, since it would show up
as an insurance salvage vehicle, people think
accident or flood damage.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:36 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

Did they fix the hail damage?  I doubt
repairs were 30k per vehicle. Might get a
nice price reduction.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Ken Hohhof
<af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

I am also looking at Ford Transit, medium
roof 130” wheelbase 3.5L Ecoboost. Trying
to decide if the dual sliding doors
option is brilliant or stupid.

A dealer near me bought up a bunch of
2016 Transits with hail damage, I decided
to pass on that. I think that means a
salvage title.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com]
*On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:10 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

I already have a Tacoma which is great,
but I'm looking for a second vehicle for
a second driver.  I'd like to try a work
van to keep everything inside.  Maybe
even warm parts for the winter.

I'm looking at the Ford Transit and would
love to hear of any additional
suggestions/experiences.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Josh Luthman]

Oooh that's smart!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 3:05 PM, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> The last two vans I bought we put lights in from Amazon.
> LED Lights on Amazon
> <https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B017ISF48O/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s01?ie=UTF8=1>
> They were cheap and work great. One kit was enough for the Promaster.
> Definitely lights things up enough to even work in there.
>
> We had the Transit Connect. I will say we had it set up with organizers
> fit for 6 carry holder deals with hinged lids and dividers. Floor to
> ceiling and side to side. Great for storing lots of stuff and also serves
> to protect the driver from flying crap. With two doors you could get to
> them all without getting in. At any rate, not having been the driver and
> just the guy writing the check it seemed to me to be worth the difference.
> I bought a Military HUMVEE from Fort Hood to go places nothing else would.
>
> On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 1:38 PM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I'm thinking medium roof because it's 6', it'd be nice to stand in it to
>> grab things.  The only disadvantage is not being able to go through a drive
>> through, which is awfully rare to begin with.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 2:36 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I was going to bring that up. The "original" Transit has become the
>> Transit Connect. It's essentially a car with a small van body. Probably an
>> excellent in-town delivery vehicle and gets outstanding mileage. If your
>> needs are relatively modest, it can fit into a lot of situations.
>>
>> The Transit is an E-series van, and comes in short, medium, and tall
>> varieties. It competes with the Mercedes Sprinter and the Dodge ProMaster
>> and the like.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>
>>
>> On 10/4/2016 11:33 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>
>> A transit connect or transit? One is pretty much a car, the other is the
>> E series replacement.
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 4, 2016, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> We had a Ford Transit and just got rid of it. It was two years old. I
>> can't say anything horrible about it but the guy who drove it always had
>> something bad to say. It was to small, couldn't store enough, so low to the
>> ground it wouldn't go off the highway, etc. Of course now that he has a
>> brand new Dodge Promaster that you could park that transit in it "rides to
>> rough". What a pussy.
>> Anyway, It got really good gas mileage, had a few recalls but nothing
>> earth shattering or more than what seems usual these days. Enterprise
>> fleet, where we get our vehicles, says they tend to have transmission
>> problems around 65k to 70k miles. We didn't experience that and got rid of
>> it at 68k.
>>
>> It got around 26 MPG HWY and my guy kept it loaded down. With the heavy
>> load it never squatted. I will say it does have small tires and is low to
>> the ground. City and highway it was good. I thought it was pretty expensive
>> for what it is. I think I paid $27k or some such. My full size ProMaster
>> was less and gets about 15 MPG.
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 12:14 PM Joe Novak <jno...@lrcomm.com> wrote:
>>
>> http://www.dmv.org/il-illinois/salvaged-vehicles.php
>>
>> Salvage titles don't get registered in Illinois... they have to be
>> inspected for a 'rebuilt' tilte.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 11:44 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>
>> I assume the hail damage was cosmetic and you would just live with it.
>> They were pricing them about 25% off MSRP, but I assume you lose the
>> incentives like upfitting allowance, cashback, 0.9% financing that you
>> would get on a new van.  They were technically used vehicles since they
>> were titled when the insurance company paid off the dealer whose lot they
>> were sitting on when the hail hit.  I also suspect the Carfacts history
>> would affect resale value, since it would show up as an insurance salvage
>> vehicle, people think accident or flood damage.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 4,

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Lewis Bergman]

The last two vans I bought we put lights in from Amazon.
LED Lights on Amazon
<https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B017ISF48O/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s01?ie=UTF8=1>
They were cheap and work great. One kit was enough for the Promaster.
Definitely lights things up enough to even work in there.

We had the Transit Connect. I will say we had it set up with organizers fit
for 6 carry holder deals with hinged lids and dividers. Floor to ceiling
and side to side. Great for storing lots of stuff and also serves to
protect the driver from flying crap. With two doors you could get to them
all without getting in. At any rate, not having been the driver and just
the guy writing the check it seemed to me to be worth the difference. I
bought a Military HUMVEE from Fort Hood to go places nothing else would.

On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 1:38 PM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
wrote:

> I'm thinking medium roof because it's 6', it'd be nice to stand in it to
> grab things.  The only disadvantage is not being able to go through a drive
> through, which is awfully rare to begin with.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 2:36 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I was going to bring that up. The "original" Transit has become the
> Transit Connect. It's essentially a car with a small van body. Probably an
> excellent in-town delivery vehicle and gets outstanding mileage. If your
> needs are relatively modest, it can fit into a lot of situations.
>
> The Transit is an E-series van, and comes in short, medium, and tall
> varieties. It competes with the Mercedes Sprinter and the Dodge ProMaster
> and the like.
>
>
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
>
> On 10/4/2016 11:33 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
> A transit connect or transit? One is pretty much a car, the other is the E
> series replacement.
>
> On Tuesday, October 4, 2016, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> We had a Ford Transit and just got rid of it. It was two years old. I
> can't say anything horrible about it but the guy who drove it always had
> something bad to say. It was to small, couldn't store enough, so low to the
> ground it wouldn't go off the highway, etc. Of course now that he has a
> brand new Dodge Promaster that you could park that transit in it "rides to
> rough". What a pussy.
> Anyway, It got really good gas mileage, had a few recalls but nothing
> earth shattering or more than what seems usual these days. Enterprise
> fleet, where we get our vehicles, says they tend to have transmission
> problems around 65k to 70k miles. We didn't experience that and got rid of
> it at 68k.
>
> It got around 26 MPG HWY and my guy kept it loaded down. With the heavy
> load it never squatted. I will say it does have small tires and is low to
> the ground. City and highway it was good. I thought it was pretty expensive
> for what it is. I think I paid $27k or some such. My full size ProMaster
> was less and gets about 15 MPG.
>
> On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 12:14 PM Joe Novak <jno...@lrcomm.com> wrote:
>
> http://www.dmv.org/il-illinois/salvaged-vehicles.php
>
> Salvage titles don't get registered in Illinois... they have to be
> inspected for a 'rebuilt' tilte.
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 11:44 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>
> I assume the hail damage was cosmetic and you would just live with it.
> They were pricing them about 25% off MSRP, but I assume you lose the
> incentives like upfitting allowance, cashback, 0.9% financing that you
> would get on a new van.  They were technically used vehicles since they
> were titled when the insurance company paid off the dealer whose lot they
> were sitting on when the hail hit.  I also suspect the Carfacts history
> would affect resale value, since it would show up as an insurance salvage
> vehicle, people think accident or flood damage.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:36 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>
>
>
> Did they fix the hail damage?  I doubt repairs were 30k per vehicle.
> Might get a nice price reduction.
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>
> I am also looking at Ford Transit, medium roof 130” wheelbase 3.5L
> Ecoboost.  Trying to decide if the dual sliding doors opt

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

being small it has the benefit, since i use it primarily for infrastructure
of forcing me to keep it semi orderly since there is no room for excess

On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I was going to bring that up. The "original" Transit has become the
> Transit Connect. It's essentially a car with a small van body. Probably an
> excellent in-town delivery vehicle and gets outstanding mileage. If your
> needs are relatively modest, it can fit into a lot of situations.
>
> The Transit is an E-series van, and comes in short, medium, and tall
> varieties. It competes with the Mercedes Sprinter and the Dodge ProMaster
> and the like.
>
>
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
>
> On 10/4/2016 11:33 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
> A transit connect or transit? One is pretty much a car, the other is the E
> series replacement.
>
> On Tuesday, October 4, 2016, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> We had a Ford Transit and just got rid of it. It was two years old. I
>> can't say anything horrible about it but the guy who drove it always had
>> something bad to say. It was to small, couldn't store enough, so low to the
>> ground it wouldn't go off the highway, etc. Of course now that he has a
>> brand new Dodge Promaster that you could park that transit in it "rides to
>> rough". What a pussy.
>> Anyway, It got really good gas mileage, had a few recalls but nothing
>> earth shattering or more than what seems usual these days. Enterprise
>> fleet, where we get our vehicles, says they tend to have transmission
>> problems around 65k to 70k miles. We didn't experience that and got rid of
>> it at 68k.
>>
>> It got around 26 MPG HWY and my guy kept it loaded down. With the heavy
>> load it never squatted. I will say it does have small tires and is low to
>> the ground. City and highway it was good. I thought it was pretty expensive
>> for what it is. I think I paid $27k or some such. My full size ProMaster
>> was less and gets about 15 MPG.
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 12:14 PM Joe Novak <jno...@lrcomm.com> wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.dmv.org/il-illinois/salvaged-vehicles.php
>>>
>>> Salvage titles don't get registered in Illinois... they have to be
>>> inspected for a 'rebuilt' tilte.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 11:44 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I assume the hail damage was cosmetic and you would just live with it.
>>>> They were pricing them about 25% off MSRP, but I assume you lose the
>>>> incentives like upfitting allowance, cashback, 0.9% financing that you
>>>> would get on a new van.  They were technically used vehicles since they
>>>> were titled when the insurance company paid off the dealer whose lot they
>>>> were sitting on when the hail hit.  I also suspect the Carfacts history
>>>> would affect resale value, since it would show up as an insurance salvage
>>>> vehicle, people think accident or flood damage.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:36 AM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Did they fix the hail damage?  I doubt repairs were 30k per vehicle.
>>>> Might get a nice price reduction.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I am also looking at Ford Transit, medium roof 130” wheelbase 3.5L
>>>> Ecoboost.  Trying to decide if the dual sliding doors option is brilliant
>>>> or stupid.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A dealer near me bought up a bunch of 2016 Transits with hail damage, I
>>>> decided to pass on that.  I think that means a salvage title.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:10 AM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I already have a Tacoma which is great, but I'm looking for a second
>>>> vehicle for a second driver.  I'd like to try a work van to keep everything
>>>> inside.  Maybe even warm parts for the winter.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm looking at the Ford Transit and would love to hear of any
>>>> additional suggestions/experiences.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Josh Luthman]

I'm thinking medium roof because it's 6', it'd be nice to stand in it to
grab things.  The only disadvantage is not being able to go through a drive
through, which is awfully rare to begin with.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 2:36 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I was going to bring that up. The "original" Transit has become the
> Transit Connect. It's essentially a car with a small van body. Probably an
> excellent in-town delivery vehicle and gets outstanding mileage. If your
> needs are relatively modest, it can fit into a lot of situations.
>
> The Transit is an E-series van, and comes in short, medium, and tall
> varieties. It competes with the Mercedes Sprinter and the Dodge ProMaster
> and the like.
>
>
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
>
> On 10/4/2016 11:33 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
> A transit connect or transit? One is pretty much a car, the other is the E
> series replacement.
>
> On Tuesday, October 4, 2016, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> We had a Ford Transit and just got rid of it. It was two years old. I
>> can't say anything horrible about it but the guy who drove it always had
>> something bad to say. It was to small, couldn't store enough, so low to the
>> ground it wouldn't go off the highway, etc. Of course now that he has a
>> brand new Dodge Promaster that you could park that transit in it "rides to
>> rough". What a pussy.
>> Anyway, It got really good gas mileage, had a few recalls but nothing
>> earth shattering or more than what seems usual these days. Enterprise
>> fleet, where we get our vehicles, says they tend to have transmission
>> problems around 65k to 70k miles. We didn't experience that and got rid of
>> it at 68k.
>>
>> It got around 26 MPG HWY and my guy kept it loaded down. With the heavy
>> load it never squatted. I will say it does have small tires and is low to
>> the ground. City and highway it was good. I thought it was pretty expensive
>> for what it is. I think I paid $27k or some such. My full size ProMaster
>> was less and gets about 15 MPG.
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 12:14 PM Joe Novak <jno...@lrcomm.com> wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.dmv.org/il-illinois/salvaged-vehicles.php
>>>
>>> Salvage titles don't get registered in Illinois... they have to be
>>> inspected for a 'rebuilt' tilte.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 11:44 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I assume the hail damage was cosmetic and you would just live with it.
>>>> They were pricing them about 25% off MSRP, but I assume you lose the
>>>> incentives like upfitting allowance, cashback, 0.9% financing that you
>>>> would get on a new van.  They were technically used vehicles since they
>>>> were titled when the insurance company paid off the dealer whose lot they
>>>> were sitting on when the hail hit.  I also suspect the Carfacts history
>>>> would affect resale value, since it would show up as an insurance salvage
>>>> vehicle, people think accident or flood damage.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:36 AM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Did they fix the hail damage?  I doubt repairs were 30k per vehicle.
>>>> Might get a nice price reduction.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I am also looking at Ford Transit, medium roof 130” wheelbase 3.5L
>>>> Ecoboost.  Trying to decide if the dual sliding doors option is brilliant
>>>> or stupid.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A dealer near me bought up a bunch of 2016 Transits with hail damage, I
>>>> decided to pass on that.  I think that means a salvage title.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:10 AM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I already have a Tacoma which is great, but I'm looking for a second
>>>> vehicle for a second driver.  I'd like to try a work van to keep everything
>>>> inside.  Maybe even warm parts for the winter.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm looking at the Ford Transit and would love to hear of any
>>>> additional suggestions/experiences.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Bill Prince]

I was going to bring that up. The "original" Transit has become the 
Transit Connect. It's essentially a car with a small van body. Probably 
an excellent in-town delivery vehicle and gets outstanding mileage. If 
your needs are relatively modest, it can fit into a lot of situations.


The Transit is an E-series van, and comes in short, medium, and tall 
varieties. It competes with the Mercedes Sprinter and the Dodge 
ProMaster and the like.



bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 10/4/2016 11:33 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
A transit connect or transit? One is pretty much a car, the other is 
the E series replacement.


On Tuesday, October 4, 2016, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com 
<mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>> wrote:


We had a Ford Transit and just got rid of it. It was two years
old. I can't say anything horrible about it but the guy who drove
it always had something bad to say. It was to small, couldn't
store enough, so low to the ground it wouldn't go off the highway,
etc. Of course now that he has a brand new Dodge Promaster that
you could park that transit in it "rides to rough". What a pussy.
Anyway, It got really good gas mileage, had a few recalls but
nothing earth shattering or more than what seems usual these days.
Enterprise fleet, where we get our vehicles, says they tend to
have transmission problems around 65k to 70k miles. We didn't
experience that and got rid of it at 68k.

It got around 26 MPG HWY and my guy kept it loaded down. With the
heavy load it never squatted. I will say it does have small tires
and is low to the ground. City and highway it was good. I thought
it was pretty expensive for what it is. I think I paid $27k or
some such. My full size ProMaster was less and gets about 15 MPG.

On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 12:14 PM Joe Novak <jno...@lrcomm.com
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jno...@lrcomm.com');>> wrote:

http://www.dmv.org/il-illinois/salvaged-vehicles.php
<http://www.dmv.org/il-illinois/salvaged-vehicles.php>

Salvage titles don't get registered in Illinois... they have
to be inspected for a 'rebuilt' tilte.


On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 11:44 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@kwisp.com');>> wrote:

I assume the hail damage was cosmetic and you would just
live with it.  They were pricing them about 25% off MSRP,
but I assume you lose the incentives like upfitting
allowance, cashback, 0.9% financing that you would get on
a new van.  They were technically used vehicles since they
were titled when the insurance company paid off the dealer
whose lot they were sitting on when the hail hit.  I also
suspect the Carfacts history would affect resale value,
since it would show up as an insurance salvage vehicle,
people think accident or flood damage.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');>]
*On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:36 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
    <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

Did they fix the hail damage?  I doubt repairs were 30k
per vehicle.  Might get a nice price reduction.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Ken Hohhof
<af...@kwisp.com
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@kwisp.com');>> wrote:

I am also looking at Ford Transit, medium roof 130”
wheelbase 3.5L Ecoboost.  Trying to decide if the dual
sliding doors option is brilliant or stupid.

A dealer near me bought up a bunch of 2016 Transits
with hail damage, I decided to pass on that.  I think
that means a salvage title.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');>]
*On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:10 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');>
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

I already have a Tacoma which is great, but I'm
looking for a second vehicle for a second driver.  I'd
like to try a work van to keep everything inside. 
Maybe even warm parts for the winter.


I'm looking at the Ford Transit

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

cunnect i believe it is, its not the big one, like a minivan on steroids

On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> A transit connect or transit? One is pretty much a car, the other is the E
> series replacement.
>
> On Tuesday, October 4, 2016, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> We had a Ford Transit and just got rid of it. It was two years old. I
>> can't say anything horrible about it but the guy who drove it always had
>> something bad to say. It was to small, couldn't store enough, so low to the
>> ground it wouldn't go off the highway, etc. Of course now that he has a
>> brand new Dodge Promaster that you could park that transit in it "rides to
>> rough". What a pussy.
>> Anyway, It got really good gas mileage, had a few recalls but nothing
>> earth shattering or more than what seems usual these days. Enterprise
>> fleet, where we get our vehicles, says they tend to have transmission
>> problems around 65k to 70k miles. We didn't experience that and got rid of
>> it at 68k.
>>
>> It got around 26 MPG HWY and my guy kept it loaded down. With the heavy
>> load it never squatted. I will say it does have small tires and is low to
>> the ground. City and highway it was good. I thought it was pretty expensive
>> for what it is. I think I paid $27k or some such. My full size ProMaster
>> was less and gets about 15 MPG.
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 12:14 PM Joe Novak <jno...@lrcomm.com> wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.dmv.org/il-illinois/salvaged-vehicles.php
>>>
>>> Salvage titles don't get registered in Illinois... they have to be
>>> inspected for a 'rebuilt' tilte.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 11:44 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I assume the hail damage was cosmetic and you would just live with it.
>>>> They were pricing them about 25% off MSRP, but I assume you lose the
>>>> incentives like upfitting allowance, cashback, 0.9% financing that you
>>>> would get on a new van.  They were technically used vehicles since they
>>>> were titled when the insurance company paid off the dealer whose lot they
>>>> were sitting on when the hail hit.  I also suspect the Carfacts history
>>>> would affect resale value, since it would show up as an insurance salvage
>>>> vehicle, people think accident or flood damage.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:36 AM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Did they fix the hail damage?  I doubt repairs were 30k per vehicle.
>>>> Might get a nice price reduction.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I am also looking at Ford Transit, medium roof 130” wheelbase 3.5L
>>>> Ecoboost.  Trying to decide if the dual sliding doors option is brilliant
>>>> or stupid.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A dealer near me bought up a bunch of 2016 Transits with hail damage, I
>>>> decided to pass on that.  I think that means a salvage title.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:10 AM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I already have a Tacoma which is great, but I'm looking for a second
>>>> vehicle for a second driver.  I'd like to try a work van to keep everything
>>>> inside.  Maybe even warm parts for the winter.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm looking at the Ford Transit and would love to hear of any
>>>> additional suggestions/experiences.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Josh Luthman]

The E series replacement.  Looks like 2014+ it's Ford Transit 150/250/350.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> A transit connect or transit? One is pretty much a car, the other is the E
> series replacement.
>
> On Tuesday, October 4, 2016, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> We had a Ford Transit and just got rid of it. It was two years old. I
>> can't say anything horrible about it but the guy who drove it always had
>> something bad to say. It was to small, couldn't store enough, so low to the
>> ground it wouldn't go off the highway, etc. Of course now that he has a
>> brand new Dodge Promaster that you could park that transit in it "rides to
>> rough". What a pussy.
>> Anyway, It got really good gas mileage, had a few recalls but nothing
>> earth shattering or more than what seems usual these days. Enterprise
>> fleet, where we get our vehicles, says they tend to have transmission
>> problems around 65k to 70k miles. We didn't experience that and got rid of
>> it at 68k.
>>
>> It got around 26 MPG HWY and my guy kept it loaded down. With the heavy
>> load it never squatted. I will say it does have small tires and is low to
>> the ground. City and highway it was good. I thought it was pretty expensive
>> for what it is. I think I paid $27k or some such. My full size ProMaster
>> was less and gets about 15 MPG.
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 12:14 PM Joe Novak <jno...@lrcomm.com> wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.dmv.org/il-illinois/salvaged-vehicles.php
>>>
>>> Salvage titles don't get registered in Illinois... they have to be
>>> inspected for a 'rebuilt' tilte.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 11:44 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I assume the hail damage was cosmetic and you would just live with it.
>>>> They were pricing them about 25% off MSRP, but I assume you lose the
>>>> incentives like upfitting allowance, cashback, 0.9% financing that you
>>>> would get on a new van.  They were technically used vehicles since they
>>>> were titled when the insurance company paid off the dealer whose lot they
>>>> were sitting on when the hail hit.  I also suspect the Carfacts history
>>>> would affect resale value, since it would show up as an insurance salvage
>>>> vehicle, people think accident or flood damage.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:36 AM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Did they fix the hail damage?  I doubt repairs were 30k per vehicle.
>>>> Might get a nice price reduction.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I am also looking at Ford Transit, medium roof 130” wheelbase 3.5L
>>>> Ecoboost.  Trying to decide if the dual sliding doors option is brilliant
>>>> or stupid.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A dealer near me bought up a bunch of 2016 Transits with hail damage, I
>>>> decided to pass on that.  I think that means a salvage title.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:10 AM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I already have a Tacoma which is great, but I'm looking for a second
>>>> vehicle for a second driver.  I'd like to try a work van to keep everything
>>>> inside.  Maybe even warm parts for the winter.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm looking at the Ford Transit and would love to hear of any
>>>> additional suggestions/experiences.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Jason McKemie]

A transit connect or transit? One is pretty much a car, the other is the E
series replacement.

On Tuesday, October 4, 2016, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote:

> We had a Ford Transit and just got rid of it. It was two years old. I
> can't say anything horrible about it but the guy who drove it always had
> something bad to say. It was to small, couldn't store enough, so low to the
> ground it wouldn't go off the highway, etc. Of course now that he has a
> brand new Dodge Promaster that you could park that transit in it "rides to
> rough". What a pussy.
> Anyway, It got really good gas mileage, had a few recalls but nothing
> earth shattering or more than what seems usual these days. Enterprise
> fleet, where we get our vehicles, says they tend to have transmission
> problems around 65k to 70k miles. We didn't experience that and got rid of
> it at 68k.
>
> It got around 26 MPG HWY and my guy kept it loaded down. With the heavy
> load it never squatted. I will say it does have small tires and is low to
> the ground. City and highway it was good. I thought it was pretty expensive
> for what it is. I think I paid $27k or some such. My full size ProMaster
> was less and gets about 15 MPG.
>
> On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 12:14 PM Joe Novak <jno...@lrcomm.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jno...@lrcomm.com');>> wrote:
>
>> http://www.dmv.org/il-illinois/salvaged-vehicles.php
>>
>> Salvage titles don't get registered in Illinois... they have to be
>> inspected for a 'rebuilt' tilte.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 11:44 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@kwisp.com');>> wrote:
>>
>>> I assume the hail damage was cosmetic and you would just live with it.
>>> They were pricing them about 25% off MSRP, but I assume you lose the
>>> incentives like upfitting allowance, cashback, 0.9% financing that you
>>> would get on a new van.  They were technically used vehicles since they
>>> were titled when the insurance company paid off the dealer whose lot they
>>> were sitting on when the hail hit.  I also suspect the Carfacts history
>>> would affect resale value, since it would show up as an insurance salvage
>>> vehicle, people think accident or flood damage.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');>] *On Behalf Of *Josh
>>> Luthman
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:36 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Did they fix the hail damage?  I doubt repairs were 30k per vehicle.
>>> Might get a nice price reduction.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@kwisp.com');>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I am also looking at Ford Transit, medium roof 130” wheelbase 3.5L
>>> Ecoboost.  Trying to decide if the dual sliding doors option is brilliant
>>> or stupid.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A dealer near me bought up a bunch of 2016 Transits with hail damage, I
>>> decided to pass on that.  I think that means a salvage title.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');>] *On Behalf Of *Josh
>>> Luthman
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:10 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');>
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I already have a Tacoma which is great, but I'm looking for a second
>>> vehicle for a second driver.  I'd like to try a work van to keep everything
>>> inside.  Maybe even warm parts for the winter.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm looking at the Ford Transit and would love to hear of any additional
>>> suggestions/experiences.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

we have a transit, other than it being too short for a divider i like it.
the dual doors are nice, i had to go to a grain elevator last night to get
a backhaul back up, that time of night your brain isnt quite working, so
the dual doors was nice to be able to get to everything i needed without
having to climb over a bunch of stuff. we have a chest of trays from a full
size van with the essentials in it, put handles on the side and strap it
down to the cargo hooks with ratchet straps and two plastic delivery bins
for everything else, no ladder rack but have an extendable ladder. its set
so we can dump the van out quickly if we are doing a network contract we
can take out the wisp stuff and load servers or whatever we need room for.
its a smooth ride too for speeding, 90 feels like 50. the factory interior
lighting is shit though, too dim to see much. and night driving, switching
from high to low beams takes visibility down quick if youre night blind
like me, the mileage on its great

On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> We had a Ford Transit and just got rid of it. It was two years old. I
> can't say anything horrible about it but the guy who drove it always had
> something bad to say. It was to small, couldn't store enough, so low to the
> ground it wouldn't go off the highway, etc. Of course now that he has a
> brand new Dodge Promaster that you could park that transit in it "rides to
> rough". What a pussy.
> Anyway, It got really good gas mileage, had a few recalls but nothing
> earth shattering or more than what seems usual these days. Enterprise
> fleet, where we get our vehicles, says they tend to have transmission
> problems around 65k to 70k miles. We didn't experience that and got rid of
> it at 68k.
>
> It got around 26 MPG HWY and my guy kept it loaded down. With the heavy
> load it never squatted. I will say it does have small tires and is low to
> the ground. City and highway it was good. I thought it was pretty expensive
> for what it is. I think I paid $27k or some such. My full size ProMaster
> was less and gets about 15 MPG.
>
> On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 12:14 PM Joe Novak <jno...@lrcomm.com> wrote:
>
>> http://www.dmv.org/il-illinois/salvaged-vehicles.php
>>
>> Salvage titles don't get registered in Illinois... they have to be
>> inspected for a 'rebuilt' tilte.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 11:44 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>
>> I assume the hail damage was cosmetic and you would just live with it.
>> They were pricing them about 25% off MSRP, but I assume you lose the
>> incentives like upfitting allowance, cashback, 0.9% financing that you
>> would get on a new van.  They were technically used vehicles since they
>> were titled when the insurance company paid off the dealer whose lot they
>> were sitting on when the hail hit.  I also suspect the Carfacts history
>> would affect resale value, since it would show up as an insurance salvage
>> vehicle, people think accident or flood damage.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:36 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>>
>>
>>
>> Did they fix the hail damage?  I doubt repairs were 30k per vehicle.
>> Might get a nice price reduction.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>
>> I am also looking at Ford Transit, medium roof 130” wheelbase 3.5L
>> Ecoboost.  Trying to decide if the dual sliding doors option is brilliant
>> or stupid.
>>
>>
>>
>> A dealer near me bought up a bunch of 2016 Transits with hail damage, I
>> decided to pass on that.  I think that means a salvage title.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:10 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>>
>>
>>
>> I already have a Tacoma which is great, but I'm looking for a second
>> vehicle for a second driver.  I'd like to try a work van to keep everything
>> inside.  Maybe even warm parts for the winter.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm looking at the Ford Transit and would love to hear of any additional
>> suggestions/experiences.
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Lewis Bergman]

We had a Ford Transit and just got rid of it. It was two years old. I can't
say anything horrible about it but the guy who drove it always had
something bad to say. It was to small, couldn't store enough, so low to the
ground it wouldn't go off the highway, etc. Of course now that he has a
brand new Dodge Promaster that you could park that transit in it "rides to
rough". What a pussy.
Anyway, It got really good gas mileage, had a few recalls but nothing earth
shattering or more than what seems usual these days. Enterprise fleet,
where we get our vehicles, says they tend to have transmission problems
around 65k to 70k miles. We didn't experience that and got rid of it at 68k.

It got around 26 MPG HWY and my guy kept it loaded down. With the heavy
load it never squatted. I will say it does have small tires and is low to
the ground. City and highway it was good. I thought it was pretty expensive
for what it is. I think I paid $27k or some such. My full size ProMaster
was less and gets about 15 MPG.

On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 12:14 PM Joe Novak <jno...@lrcomm.com> wrote:

> http://www.dmv.org/il-illinois/salvaged-vehicles.php
>
> Salvage titles don't get registered in Illinois... they have to be
> inspected for a 'rebuilt' tilte.
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 11:44 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>
> I assume the hail damage was cosmetic and you would just live with it.
> They were pricing them about 25% off MSRP, but I assume you lose the
> incentives like upfitting allowance, cashback, 0.9% financing that you
> would get on a new van.  They were technically used vehicles since they
> were titled when the insurance company paid off the dealer whose lot they
> were sitting on when the hail hit.  I also suspect the Carfacts history
> would affect resale value, since it would show up as an insurance salvage
> vehicle, people think accident or flood damage.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:36 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>
>
>
> Did they fix the hail damage?  I doubt repairs were 30k per vehicle.
> Might get a nice price reduction.
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>
> I am also looking at Ford Transit, medium roof 130” wheelbase 3.5L
> Ecoboost.  Trying to decide if the dual sliding doors option is brilliant
> or stupid.
>
>
>
> A dealer near me bought up a bunch of 2016 Transits with hail damage, I
> decided to pass on that.  I think that means a salvage title.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:10 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>
>
>
> I already have a Tacoma which is great, but I'm looking for a second
> vehicle for a second driver.  I'd like to try a work van to keep everything
> inside.  Maybe even warm parts for the winter.
>
>
>
> I'm looking at the Ford Transit and would love to hear of any additional
> suggestions/experiences.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Joe Novak]

http://www.dmv.org/il-illinois/salvaged-vehicles.php

Salvage titles don't get registered in Illinois... they have to be
inspected for a 'rebuilt' tilte.


On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 11:44 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

> I assume the hail damage was cosmetic and you would just live with it.
> They were pricing them about 25% off MSRP, but I assume you lose the
> incentives like upfitting allowance, cashback, 0.9% financing that you
> would get on a new van.  They were technically used vehicles since they
> were titled when the insurance company paid off the dealer whose lot they
> were sitting on when the hail hit.  I also suspect the Carfacts history
> would affect resale value, since it would show up as an insurance salvage
> vehicle, people think accident or flood damage.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:36 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>
>
>
> Did they fix the hail damage?  I doubt repairs were 30k per vehicle.
> Might get a nice price reduction.
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>
> I am also looking at Ford Transit, medium roof 130” wheelbase 3.5L
> Ecoboost.  Trying to decide if the dual sliding doors option is brilliant
> or stupid.
>
>
>
> A dealer near me bought up a bunch of 2016 Transits with hail damage, I
> decided to pass on that.  I think that means a salvage title.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:10 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>
>
>
> I already have a Tacoma which is great, but I'm looking for a second
> vehicle for a second driver.  I'd like to try a work van to keep everything
> inside.  Maybe even warm parts for the winter.
>
>
>
> I'm looking at the Ford Transit and would love to hear of any additional
> suggestions/experiences.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Cameron Crum]

Hail Damage does not always mean salvage title. I had two cars totaled by
hail this year. I decided to keep them in the short term and take the
reduced payout. Both cars were paid off and I don't care about the dimples.
They did not re-title the vehicles as salvage.


On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 11:46 AM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
wrote:

> I'll pay another 1% interest to save 25% off the vehicle.  I don't want a
> salvage title, though.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 12:44 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>
>> I assume the hail damage was cosmetic and you would just live with it.
>> They were pricing them about 25% off MSRP, but I assume you lose the
>> incentives like upfitting allowance, cashback, 0.9% financing that you
>> would get on a new van.  They were technically used vehicles since they
>> were titled when the insurance company paid off the dealer whose lot they
>> were sitting on when the hail hit.  I also suspect the Carfacts history
>> would affect resale value, since it would show up as an insurance salvage
>> vehicle, people think accident or flood damage.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:36 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>>
>>
>>
>> Did they fix the hail damage?  I doubt repairs were 30k per vehicle.
>> Might get a nice price reduction.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>
>> I am also looking at Ford Transit, medium roof 130” wheelbase 3.5L
>> Ecoboost.  Trying to decide if the dual sliding doors option is brilliant
>> or stupid.
>>
>>
>>
>> A dealer near me bought up a bunch of 2016 Transits with hail damage, I
>> decided to pass on that.  I think that means a salvage title.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:10 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>>
>>
>>
>> I already have a Tacoma which is great, but I'm looking for a second
>> vehicle for a second driver.  I'd like to try a work van to keep everything
>> inside.  Maybe even warm parts for the winter.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm looking at the Ford Transit and would love to hear of any additional
>> suggestions/experiences.
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Josh Luthman]

I'll pay another 1% interest to save 25% off the vehicle.  I don't want a
salvage title, though.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 12:44 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

> I assume the hail damage was cosmetic and you would just live with it.
> They were pricing them about 25% off MSRP, but I assume you lose the
> incentives like upfitting allowance, cashback, 0.9% financing that you
> would get on a new van.  They were technically used vehicles since they
> were titled when the insurance company paid off the dealer whose lot they
> were sitting on when the hail hit.  I also suspect the Carfacts history
> would affect resale value, since it would show up as an insurance salvage
> vehicle, people think accident or flood damage.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:36 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>
>
>
> Did they fix the hail damage?  I doubt repairs were 30k per vehicle.
> Might get a nice price reduction.
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>
> I am also looking at Ford Transit, medium roof 130” wheelbase 3.5L
> Ecoboost.  Trying to decide if the dual sliding doors option is brilliant
> or stupid.
>
>
>
> A dealer near me bought up a bunch of 2016 Transits with hail damage, I
> decided to pass on that.  I think that means a salvage title.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:10 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>
>
>
> I already have a Tacoma which is great, but I'm looking for a second
> vehicle for a second driver.  I'd like to try a work van to keep everything
> inside.  Maybe even warm parts for the winter.
>
>
>
> I'm looking at the Ford Transit and would love to hear of any additional
> suggestions/experiences.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Ken Hohhof]

I assume the hail damage was cosmetic and you would just live with it.  They 
were pricing them about 25% off MSRP, but I assume you lose the incentives like 
upfitting allowance, cashback, 0.9% financing that you would get on a new van.  
They were technically used vehicles since they were titled when the insurance 
company paid off the dealer whose lot they were sitting on when the hail hit.  
I also suspect the Carfacts history would affect resale value, since it would 
show up as an insurance salvage vehicle, people think accident or flood damage.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:36 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

 

Did they fix the hail damage?  I doubt repairs were 30k per vehicle.  Might get 
a nice price reduction.




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com 
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

I am also looking at Ford Transit, medium roof 130” wheelbase 3.5L Ecoboost.  
Trying to decide if the dual sliding doors option is brilliant or stupid.

 

A dealer near me bought up a bunch of 2016 Transits with hail damage, I decided 
to pass on that.  I think that means a salvage title.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

 

I already have a Tacoma which is great, but I'm looking for a second vehicle 
for a second driver.  I'd like to try a work van to keep everything inside.  
Maybe even warm parts for the winter.

 

I'm looking at the Ford Transit and would love to hear of any additional 
suggestions/experiences.


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340  
Direct: 937-552-2343  
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Josh Luthman]

Did they fix the hail damage?  I doubt repairs were 30k per vehicle.  Might
get a nice price reduction.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I am also looking at Ford Transit, medium roof 130” wheelbase 3.5L
> Ecoboost.  Trying to decide if the dual sliding doors option is brilliant
> or stupid.
>
>
>
> A dealer near me bought up a bunch of 2016 Transits with hail damage, I
> decided to pass on that.  I think that means a salvage title.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:10 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>
>
>
> I already have a Tacoma which is great, but I'm looking for a second
> vehicle for a second driver.  I'd like to try a work van to keep everything
> inside.  Maybe even warm parts for the winter.
>
>
>
> I'm looking at the Ford Transit and would love to hear of any additional
> suggestions/experiences.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Ken Hohhof]

I am also looking at Ford Transit, medium roof 130” wheelbase 3.5L Ecoboost.  
Trying to decide if the dual sliding doors option is brilliant or stupid.

 

A dealer near me bought up a bunch of 2016 Transits with hail damage, I decided 
to pass on that.  I think that means a salvage title.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

 

I already have a Tacoma which is great, but I'm looking for a second vehicle 
for a second driver.  I'd like to try a work van to keep everything inside.  
Maybe even warm parts for the winter.

 

I'm looking at the Ford Transit and would love to hear of any additional 
suggestions/experiences.


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373