Re: [AFMUG] hardest thing I've had to do with this biz...

2016-10-16 Thread Robert
Exactly the same...   I won't mince words because I am not some pansy 
news organization..   This was the direct result of a controlled burn 
put on by Nevada Department of Forestry and University of Reno.  Started 
5 days before a predicted High Wind Event.   There are some people 
feeling very bad right now and they should.   Fire bosses up and down 
the line should lose their jobs for not stopping this.   This was 
government at it's absolute worst.   Fricken Insanity..   FRICKEN 
STUPID...   The only good thing was no one died.   There should be calls 
going out for the heads of who set up that fire but it's tiptoe through 
the tulips time...


On 10/16/16 7:56 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Is this the same fire that news reports say destroyed the house of the owner of 
the Bunny Ranch?  Probably not, since that is described as a wildfire.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 7:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] hardest thing I've had to do with this biz...

Today in Reno a prescribed burn that was supposed to be out two days ago
blew up and took out 19 homes.   A large number of them were customers
including two repeater locations.   How do I go to the people who lost
their homes and ask to rebuild the repeaters on the ashes?   Sometimes
this job really sucks...

Robert





Re: [AFMUG] hardest thing I've had to do with this biz...

2016-10-16 Thread Ken Hohhof
Is this the same fire that news reports say destroyed the house of the owner of 
the Bunny Ranch?  Probably not, since that is described as a wildfire.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 7:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] hardest thing I've had to do with this biz...

Today in Reno a prescribed burn that was supposed to be out two days ago 
blew up and took out 19 homes.   A large number of them were customers 
including two repeater locations.   How do I go to the people who lost 
their homes and ask to rebuild the repeaters on the ashes?   Sometimes 
this job really sucks...

Robert




Re: [AFMUG] hardest thing I've had to do with this biz...

2016-10-15 Thread Ken Hohhof
Hard to know what these people need except to ask them.  Usually there are 
agencies who find them temporary housing.  We tend to assume people have 
insurance, that will be bad if they don’t.

 

As far as the repeaters, were they on structures that burned down, and do you 
need to re-establish those repeaters to serve other areas?  Were you bartering 
free Internet for rooftop use?  If they are elsewhere in temporary housing 
while they rebuild, they aren’t using that free Internet, maybe restructure the 
deal to pay them rent so you can put a temporary tower on their land?

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 10:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] hardest thing I've had to do with this biz...

 

!

 

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 

Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 9:15 PM

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] hardest thing I've had to do with this biz...

 

To be honest, it could be helpful. After a disaster until there is something 
that sets in in a controlled manner it's pandemonium. Normalcy, even others, 
puts the future back on the horizon. The scope of a major loss can be 
overwhelming. And not to be the dickbag, but this is a potential pr goldmine, 
it's not pretty, but it's a shame to ever let a good tragedy go to waste. Move 
in, prioritize getting some temporary communications back in order, maybe even 
pair up with a list vendor to donate some ruckus (dan?) Make sure your guys 
throw a cooler full of gatorades in the truck to put on the curb for work 
crews. Donate some company shirts to the folks to destroy why they sift through 
the rubble that was their dreams, a few bundles of work gloves. Give your crews 
some leverage to step away and lend a hand, maybe throw a couple extra hands on 
your crew so you don't lose work time getting yourself back in order. The 
marketing thing I read once set a 16 to one ratio, they say one bad review or 
disgruntled customers takes 16 happy ones to offset. Being part of a disaster 
recovery can really give you some leverage on that ratio...or you could do 
it all solely because contrary to the vitriol I spit out, humanity is actually 
inherently good 

 

On Oct 14, 2016 8:42 PM, "George Skorup" <geo...@cbcast.com 
<mailto:geo...@cbcast.com> > wrote:

If someone started a fire that they couldn't control and it burned down my 
house, they're gonna get shot. You either pay for your mistake, in full, or 
hope you end up in prison before I can get to you. I don't even want free shit, 
just fix what you broke.

But that's just me. 



On 10/14/2016 8:28 PM, Robert wrote:

Hopefully...  Turns out the prescribed burn was a UNR/NDF project and some have 
talked about soverign immunity.. Hopefully not...   I have one customer that 
lost everything and I'm pretty sure they have no insurance..

On 10/14/16 5:35 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

We had a whole neighborhood burned to the ground earlier this summer.
All mobile/manufactured homes.  Some with zero insurance.  At least your
folks will have a claim against whoever was doing the burn.

-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 6:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: [AFMUG] hardest thing I've had to do with this biz...

Today in Reno a prescribed burn that was supposed to be out two days ago
blew up and took out 19 homes.   A large number of them were customers
including two repeater locations.   How do I go to the people who lost
their homes and ask to rebuild the repeaters on the ashes? Sometimes
this job really sucks...

Robert

 

 



Re: [AFMUG] hardest thing I've had to do with this biz...

2016-10-15 Thread Chuck McCown
!

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 9:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] hardest thing I've had to do with this biz...

To be honest, it could be helpful. After a disaster until there is something 
that sets in in a controlled manner it's pandemonium. Normalcy, even others, 
puts the future back on the horizon. The scope of a major loss can be 
overwhelming. And not to be the dickbag, but this is a potential pr goldmine, 
it's not pretty, but it's a shame to ever let a good tragedy go to waste. Move 
in, prioritize getting some temporary communications back in order, maybe even 
pair up with a list vendor to donate some ruckus (dan?) Make sure your guys 
throw a cooler full of gatorades in the truck to put on the curb for work 
crews. Donate some company shirts to the folks to destroy why they sift through 
the rubble that was their dreams, a few bundles of work gloves. Give your crews 
some leverage to step away and lend a hand, maybe throw a couple extra hands on 
your crew so you don't lose work time getting yourself back in order. The 
marketing thing I read once set a 16 to one ratio, they say one bad review or 
disgruntled customers takes 16 happy ones to offset. Being part of a disaster 
recovery can really give you some leverage on that ratio...or you could do 
it all solely because contrary to the vitriol I spit out, humanity is actually 
inherently good 


On Oct 14, 2016 8:42 PM, "George Skorup" <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:

  If someone started a fire that they couldn't control and it burned down my 
house, they're gonna get shot. You either pay for your mistake, in full, or 
hope you end up in prison before I can get to you. I don't even want free shit, 
just fix what you broke.

  But that's just me. 


  On 10/14/2016 8:28 PM, Robert wrote:

Hopefully...  Turns out the prescribed burn was a UNR/NDF project and some 
have talked about soverign immunity.. Hopefully not...   I have one customer 
that lost everything and I'm pretty sure they have no insurance..

On 10/14/16 5:35 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  We had a whole neighborhood burned to the ground earlier this summer.
  All mobile/manufactured homes.  Some with zero insurance.  At least your
  folks will have a claim against whoever was doing the burn.

  -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
  Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 6:13 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] hardest thing I've had to do with this biz...

  Today in Reno a prescribed burn that was supposed to be out two days ago
  blew up and took out 19 homes.   A large number of them were customers
  including two repeater locations.   How do I go to the people who lost
  their homes and ask to rebuild the repeaters on the ashes? Sometimes
  this job really sucks...

  Robert





Re: [AFMUG] hardest thing I've had to do with this biz...

2016-10-14 Thread Bruce Robertson
Hey Robert, I'm here in Reno, with WISP experience.  I'm off work until 
Wednesday.  Please let me know if I can help in any way!


On 10/14/16 5:13 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
Today in Reno a prescribed burn that was supposed to be out two days 
ago blew up and took out 19 homes.   A large number of them were 
customers including two repeater locations. How do I go to the people 
who lost their homes and ask to rebuild the repeaters on the ashes?   
Sometimes this job really sucks...


Robert


!DSPAM:2,58017490150831791814208!






Re: [AFMUG] hardest thing I've had to do with this biz...

2016-10-14 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
To be honest, it could be helpful. After a disaster until there is
something that sets in in a controlled manner it's pandemonium. Normalcy,
even others, puts the future back on the horizon. The scope of a major loss
can be overwhelming. And not to be the dickbag, but this is a potential pr
goldmine, it's not pretty, but it's a shame to ever let a good tragedy go
to waste. Move in, prioritize getting some temporary communications back in
order, maybe even pair up with a list vendor to donate some ruckus (dan?)
Make sure your guys throw a cooler full of gatorades in the truck to put on
the curb for work crews. Donate some company shirts to the folks to destroy
why they sift through the rubble that was their dreams, a few bundles of
work gloves. Give your crews some leverage to step away and lend a hand,
maybe throw a couple extra hands on your crew so you don't lose work time
getting yourself back in order. The marketing thing I read once set a 16 to
one ratio, they say one bad review or disgruntled customers takes 16 happy
ones to offset. Being part of a disaster recovery can really give you some
leverage on that ratio...or you could do it all solely because contrary
to the vitriol I spit out, humanity is actually inherently good

On Oct 14, 2016 8:42 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:

If someone started a fire that they couldn't control and it burned down my
house, they're gonna get shot. You either pay for your mistake, in full, or
hope you end up in prison before I can get to you. I don't even want free
shit, just fix what you broke.

But that's just me.


On 10/14/2016 8:28 PM, Robert wrote:

> Hopefully...  Turns out the prescribed burn was a UNR/NDF project and some
> have talked about soverign immunity.. Hopefully not...   I have one
> customer that lost everything and I'm pretty sure they have no insurance..
>
> On 10/14/16 5:35 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
>> We had a whole neighborhood burned to the ground earlier this summer.
>> All mobile/manufactured homes.  Some with zero insurance.  At least your
>> folks will have a claim against whoever was doing the burn.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
>> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 6:13 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] hardest thing I've had to do with this biz...
>>
>> Today in Reno a prescribed burn that was supposed to be out two days ago
>> blew up and took out 19 homes.   A large number of them were customers
>> including two repeater locations.   How do I go to the people who lost
>> their homes and ask to rebuild the repeaters on the ashes? Sometimes
>> this job really sucks...
>>
>> Robert
>>
>


Re: [AFMUG] hardest thing I've had to do with this biz...

2016-10-14 Thread George Skorup
If someone started a fire that they couldn't control and it burned down 
my house, they're gonna get shot. You either pay for your mistake, in 
full, or hope you end up in prison before I can get to you. I don't even 
want free shit, just fix what you broke.


But that's just me.

On 10/14/2016 8:28 PM, Robert wrote:
Hopefully...  Turns out the prescribed burn was a UNR/NDF project and 
some have talked about soverign immunity.. Hopefully not...   I have 
one customer that lost everything and I'm pretty sure they have no 
insurance..


On 10/14/16 5:35 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

We had a whole neighborhood burned to the ground earlier this summer.
All mobile/manufactured homes.  Some with zero insurance.  At least your
folks will have a claim against whoever was doing the burn.

-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 6:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] hardest thing I've had to do with this biz...

Today in Reno a prescribed burn that was supposed to be out two days ago
blew up and took out 19 homes.   A large number of them were customers
including two repeater locations.   How do I go to the people who lost
their homes and ask to rebuild the repeaters on the ashes? Sometimes
this job really sucks...

Robert




Re: [AFMUG] hardest thing I've had to do with this biz...

2016-10-14 Thread Robert
Hopefully...  Turns out the prescribed burn was a UNR/NDF project and 
some have talked about soverign immunity..  Hopefully not...   I have 
one customer that lost everything and I'm pretty sure they have no 
insurance..


On 10/14/16 5:35 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

We had a whole neighborhood burned to the ground earlier this summer.
All mobile/manufactured homes.  Some with zero insurance.  At least your
folks will have a claim against whoever was doing the burn.

-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 6:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] hardest thing I've had to do with this biz...

Today in Reno a prescribed burn that was supposed to be out two days ago
blew up and took out 19 homes.   A large number of them were customers
including two repeater locations.   How do I go to the people who lost
their homes and ask to rebuild the repeaters on the ashes?   Sometimes
this job really sucks...

Robert


Re: [AFMUG] hardest thing I've had to do with this biz...

2016-10-14 Thread Jason Wilson
Set a power Pole, Have temp power brought in (The county should be more
than wiling to work with you on the permit) and use that for your AP's  And
yes free wifi to the neighborhood since they have no power.


Jason Wilson
Remotely Located
Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
530-651-1736
530-748-9608 Cell
www.remotelylocated.com

On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 5:35 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> We had a whole neighborhood burned to the ground earlier this summer.  All
> mobile/manufactured homes.  Some with zero insurance.  At least your folks
> will have a claim against whoever was doing the burn.
>
> -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 6:13 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] hardest thing I've had to do with this biz...
>
>
> Today in Reno a prescribed burn that was supposed to be out two days ago
> blew up and took out 19 homes.   A large number of them were customers
> including two repeater locations.   How do I go to the people who lost
> their homes and ask to rebuild the repeaters on the ashes?   Sometimes
> this job really sucks...
>
> Robert
>


Re: [AFMUG] hardest thing I've had to do with this biz...

2016-10-14 Thread Chuck McCown
We had a whole neighborhood burned to the ground earlier this summer.  All 
mobile/manufactured homes.  Some with zero insurance.  At least your folks 
will have a claim against whoever was doing the burn.


-Original Message- 
From: Robert Andrews

Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 6:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] hardest thing I've had to do with this biz...

Today in Reno a prescribed burn that was supposed to be out two days ago
blew up and took out 19 homes.   A large number of them were customers
including two repeater locations.   How do I go to the people who lost
their homes and ask to rebuild the repeaters on the ashes?   Sometimes
this job really sucks...

Robert 



Re: [AFMUG] hardest thing I've had to do with this biz...

2016-10-14 Thread Josh Luthman
Then plant some free Wi-Fi at the base.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Oct 14, 2016 7:20 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> All sensitivity aside,
> I would head to harbor freight.
> Buy two of their largest trailers.
> Go get some tower sections.  Weld them to the trailers.
> Park near power and put up some radios.
>
> You can sandbag the trailers.  Adding outriggers really helps a bunch.
> Or guy wires tied to barrels full of water or sand.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Friday, October 14, 2016 6:15 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] hardest thing I've had to do with this biz...
>
>
> Oh man.  Put in Gods hands ..
>
> On Oct 14, 2016 6:13 PM, "Robert Andrews" <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
>
>> Today in Reno a prescribed burn that was supposed to be out two days ago
>> blew up and took out 19 homes.   A large number of them were customers
>> including two repeater locations.   How do I go to the people who lost
>> their homes and ask to rebuild the repeaters on the ashes?   Sometimes this
>> job really sucks...
>>
>> Robert
>>
>


Re: [AFMUG] hardest thing I've had to do with this biz...

2016-10-14 Thread Robert Andrews
Actually putting up the transmitters will be dead nuts simple.   Both 
locations were on hills.   10 foot pole in the ground with guys will do 
it.   More about no 110ac and needing to do solar.   Mostly about 
dealing with locations where people lost everything...


:(

On 10/14/2016 05:20 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

All sensitivity aside,
I would head to harbor freight.
Buy two of their largest trailers.
Go get some tower sections.  Weld them to the trailers.
Park near power and put up some radios.
You can sandbag the trailers.  Adding outriggers really helps a bunch.
Or guy wires tied to barrels full of water or sand.
*From:* Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Friday, October 14, 2016 6:15 PM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] hardest thing I've had to do with this biz...

Oh man.  Put in Gods hands ..

On Oct 14, 2016 6:13 PM, "Robert Andrews" <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:

Today in Reno a prescribed burn that was supposed to be out two days
ago blew up and took out 19 homes.   A large number of them were
customers including two repeater locations.   How do I go to the
people who lost their homes and ask to rebuild the repeaters on the
ashes?   Sometimes this job really sucks...

Robert



Re: [AFMUG] hardest thing I've had to do with this biz...

2016-10-14 Thread Chuck McCown
All sensitivity aside,
I would head to harbor freight.
Buy two of their largest trailers.
Go get some tower sections.  Weld them to the trailers.
Park near power and put up some radios.  

You can sandbag the trailers.  Adding outriggers really helps a bunch.
Or guy wires tied to barrels full of water or sand.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 6:15 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] hardest thing I've had to do with this biz...

Oh man.  Put in Gods hands ..


On Oct 14, 2016 6:13 PM, "Robert Andrews" <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:

  Today in Reno a prescribed burn that was supposed to be out two days ago blew 
up and took out 19 homes.   A large number of them were customers including two 
repeater locations.   How do I go to the people who lost their homes and ask to 
rebuild the repeaters on the ashes?   Sometimes this job really sucks...

  Robert


Re: [AFMUG] hardest thing I've had to do with this biz...

2016-10-14 Thread Jaime Solorza
Oh man.  Put in Gods hands ..

On Oct 14, 2016 6:13 PM, "Robert Andrews"  wrote:

> Today in Reno a prescribed burn that was supposed to be out two days ago
> blew up and took out 19 homes.   A large number of them were customers
> including two repeater locations.   How do I go to the people who lost
> their homes and ask to rebuild the repeaters on the ashes?   Sometimes this
> job really sucks...
>
> Robert
>