Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

2018-02-19 Thread TJ Trout
f the client radios? > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino A. Villarini > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 12:05 PM > > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp > > > > I have an aggregate capaci

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2018-02-13 Thread Rory Conaway
Do you actually see that in the real world or is that theoretical capacity? Also, what is the maximum speed of the client radios? Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 12:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

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2018-02-13 Thread Gino A. Villarini
ly use towers. I'd rather find a few lower >locations that have easy access than a single tower but that's not always >realistic. > >Rory > >-Original Message- >From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt >Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018

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2018-02-13 Thread Dave
obably never >>> > have >>> > something like that. >>> > UI is still sluggish on ePMP. >>> > >>> > On the other hand ePMP has gotten so many feature improvements over >>> > these >>>

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2018-02-13 Thread Rory Conaway
for next generation products also. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:34 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp How much total frequency are you using with 12 horns deployed at a site? What does your frequency re-use

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2018-02-13 Thread Mathew Howard
ot all that > great. > >>> > >>> I am far more excited by the 9 client simultaneous transmissions in > >>> 802.11ax via OFDMA. > >>> > >>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 8:00 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote: >

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2018-02-13 Thread Rory Conaway
...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 1:59 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp At the moment I would wait to see what this LTU is all about. Should soon arrive at US Beta store. An airfiber class radio mounted to horns may give a real boost

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2018-02-13 Thread Josh Baird
ry > > -Original Message- > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt > Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 1:59 AM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp > > At the moment I would wait to see what this LTU is all about. Should soon >

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2018-02-13 Thread Josh Reynolds
egate > them to 10GE and feed them with a Licensed gear right up there. You only > need to bring 48V DC up to the tower. > > > > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > > Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Josh Reynolds > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. Februar 2018 09:34 &

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2018-02-13 Thread Adam Moffett
..@genias.net> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/13/2018 3:58:33 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp At the moment I would wait to see what this LTU is all about. Should soon arrive at US Beta store. An airfiber class radio mounted to horns may give a real boost. There would be a lot capacity even using

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2018-02-13 Thread Stefan Englhardt
cht- > Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Josh Reynolds > Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. Februar 2018 09:34 > An: af@afmug.com > Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp > > I agree, it makes sense if you already have a cambium network on 450. > > For greenfield? Probably not

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2018-02-13 Thread Josh Reynolds
with in above perfect conditions, gives >>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>> 3.57 Mbps per subscriber. Roughly 4M/sub, good for 480p streaming. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That's a very expensive platform for that kind of throughput and >>>>>>>

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2018-02-12 Thread George Skorup
ly hard to argue with the value it provides. -- Original Message -- From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/12/2018 8:27:56 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp The UI server was probably the worst I have ever seen. So, less than 25 subs per site, wha

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2018-02-12 Thread Josh Reynolds
; >> >> > (increasing distance and SNR in many situations), and greatly >> >> >> > reduced >> >> >> > cost. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Again, I'm far more excited about the 4x increase in spectral >> >>

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2018-02-12 Thread Sean Heskett
and will > >> >> > always be a niche hack that never lived up to what was promised. > >> >> > > >> >> > On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 12:12 AM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> > >> >> > wrote: > >> >> >> Being abl

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2018-02-12 Thread Josh Reynolds
>> Being able to load a 450m AP with 80 subs and deliver 30mbps service >> >> >> to >> >> >> all >> >> >> of them at peak Netflix time in a 20mhz channel without breaking a >> >> >> sweat is >> >> >> w

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2018-02-12 Thread Sean Heskett
gt; >> 2 cents > >> >> > >> >> -sean > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 10:32 PM Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com > > > >> >> wrote: >

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2018-02-12 Thread Josh Reynolds
gt; >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> The more I dig into MU-MIMO, the more I realize it's not all that >> >>> great. >> >>> >> >>> I am far more excited by the 9 client simultaneous transmissions in >> >>> 802.11a

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2018-02-12 Thread Sean Heskett
smissions in > >>> 802.11ax via OFDMA. > >>> > >>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 8:00 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >>> > 450 still does a few things that ePMP doesn't. > >>> > Plus there's that 14 chain MU

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2018-02-12 Thread Josh Reynolds
s that 14 chain MU-MIMO thing..ePMP will probably never >>> > have >>> > something like that. >>> > UI is still sluggish on ePMP. >>> > >>> > On the other hand ePMP has gotten so many feature improvements over >>> > these >

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2018-02-12 Thread Josh Reynolds
ears that it's gotten really hard to argue with the value it >> > provides. >> > >> > >> > -- Original Message -- >> > From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> >> > To: af@afmug.com >> > Sent: 2/12/2018 8:27:56 P

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2018-02-12 Thread Sean Heskett
> >> > something like that. > >> > UI is still sluggish on ePMP. > >> > > >> > On the other hand ePMP has gotten so many feature improvements over > >> > these > >> > past few years that it's gotten really hard to argue with the

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2018-02-12 Thread Josh Reynolds
ts over >> > these >> > past few years that it's gotten really hard to argue with the value it >> > provides. >> > >> > >> > -- Original Message -- >> > From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> >> > To: af@afmug.

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2018-02-12 Thread Sean Heskett
has gotten so many feature improvements over these > > past few years that it's gotten really hard to argue with the value it > > provides. > > > > > > -- Original Message -- > > From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> > > To: af@afmug.com

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2018-02-12 Thread Josh Reynolds
ith the value it > provides. > > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: 2/12/2018 8:27:56 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp > > The UI server was probably the worst I have ever seen. > > So, less tha

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2018-02-12 Thread Chuck McCown
Broadwick - Lists Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 9:28 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp I love the AF-11 for its price point and overall value. It’s a great product to use to build out an 11GHz backbone if you don’t need the speed of the big iron in the immediate future. Jeff

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2018-02-12 Thread Jeff Broadwick - Lists
more than 50 customers. >>>> >>>> I have not had much experience with ePMP in the last 4 years. I didn’t >>>> like it when it first came out. >>>> >>>> From: Joe Novak >>>> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 4:56 PM >>

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2018-02-12 Thread Adam Moffett
Why not both? They rob themselves and also rob Ubiquiti, but that's better than letting Ubiquiti eat their lunch. -- Original Message -- From: "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/12/2018 11:09:50 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp I was

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2018-02-12 Thread Steve Jones
ustomers. > > I have not had much experience with ePMP in the last 4 years. I didn’t > like it when it first came out. > > *From:* Joe Novak > *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 4:56 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp > > We have a few towers with

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2018-02-12 Thread Bill Prince
me out. *From:* Joe Novak *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 4:56 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp We have a few towers with AF5x and Cambium EPMP co-existing. Some have vertical separation, some are grain elevators. Just gotta have some frequen

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2018-02-12 Thread Mike Hammett
cCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 9:44:55 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp Back in the day, the 5.2 band was limited to indoor or low power. Is that limitation gone? From: Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 6:50 PM To: af@af

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2018-02-12 Thread Chuck McCown
Back in the day, the 5.2 band was limited to indoor or low power. Is that limitation gone? From: Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 6:50 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp These days you have lots of 5.x ghz to work with. You've got 5.1 through 5.8 minus

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2018-02-12 Thread TJ Trout
4 years. I didn’t > like it when it first came out. > > *From:* Joe Novak > *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 4:56 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp > > We have a few towers with AF5x and Cambium EPMP co-existing. Some have > vertical separation, so

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2018-02-12 Thread Joe Novak
k *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 5:20 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp What didn't you like about it? The interface came a long way since the early days of EPMP. We've got quite a bit deployed. A lot of people are having weird GPS situations come up with the on-board GPS, we h

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2018-02-12 Thread George Skorup
But they work like crap a few feet apart when you're stuck in one rad center due to lack of front-end filtering and/or sync. On 2/12/2018 7:50 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: These days you have lots of 5.x ghz to work with.  You've got 5.1 through 5.8 minus that chunk of TDWR that they took out of

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2018-02-12 Thread Adam Moffett
to argue with the value it provides. -- Original Message -- From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/12/2018 8:27:56 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp The UI server was probably the worst I have ever seen. So, less than 25 subs per site, what s

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2018-02-12 Thread Jon Langeler
gt; wrote: > > I never use an AF5X anywhere. I used Orthogon when they first came out and > had good luck. > > From: Jon Langeler > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 4:47 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp > > He’ll need some frequency separati

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2018-02-12 Thread Jaime Solorza
ears. I didn’t > like it when it first came out. > > *From:* Joe Novak > *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 4:56 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp > > We have a few towers with AF5x and Cambium EPMP co-existing. Some have > vertical separation, som

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2018-02-12 Thread Adam Moffett
These days you have lots of 5.x ghz to work with. You've got 5.1 through 5.8 minus that chunk of TDWR that they took out of the middle. Any products will coexist when you have that much room to spread them around. -- Original Message -- From: "Chuck McCown" To:

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2018-02-12 Thread Chuck McCown
The UI server was probably the worst I have ever seen. So, less than 25 subs per site, what speed packages do you sell to those 25? Packetflux GPS sync. From: Joe Novak Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 5:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp What didn't you like about

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2018-02-12 Thread Mathew Howard
; I have not had much experience with ePMP in the last 4 years. I didn’t > like it when it first came out. > > *From:* Joe Novak > *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 4:56 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp > > We have a few towers with AF5x and C

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2018-02-12 Thread Rory Conaway
How much bandwidth do you have to provide to the clients? Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe Novak Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 5:21 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp What didn't you like about it? The interface came a long way since the early days

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2018-02-12 Thread Joe Novak
> Jaime Solorza >> >> On Feb 12, 2018 4:43 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >> >>> All on the same tower, right? >>> >>> *From:* Jaime Solorza >>> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 4:41 PM >>> *To:* Anima

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2018-02-12 Thread Jeff Broadwick - Lists
ver have more than 50 customers. > > I have not had much experience with ePMP in the last 4 years. I didn’t like > it when it first came out. > > From: Joe Novak > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 4:56 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp > >

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2018-02-12 Thread Josh Baird
t had much experience with ePMP in the last 4 years. I didn’t > like it when it first came out. > > *From:* Joe Novak > *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 4:56 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp > > We have a few towers with AF5x and Cambium EPMP co-ex

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2018-02-12 Thread Jaime Solorza
..@wbmfg.com> wrote: > >> All on the same tower, right? >> >> *From:* Jaime Solorza >> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 4:41 PM >> *To:* Animal Farm >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp >> >> Yes..I have two AF5X links as PTP and 25 radios all in

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2018-02-12 Thread Chuck McCown
@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp We have a few towers with AF5x and Cambium EPMP co-existing. Some have vertical separation, some are grain elevators. Just gotta have some frequency separation. I really like them. Latency under load is good, it's a purpose built radio and I think it serves

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2018-02-12 Thread Joe Novak
mile radius... > > Jaime Solorza > > On Feb 12, 2018 4:43 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > >> All on the same tower, right? >> >> *From:* Jaime Solorza >> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 4:41 PM >> *To:* Animal Farm >> *Subjec

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2018-02-12 Thread Jaime Solorza
y, February 12, 2018 4:41 PM > *To:* Animal Farm > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp > > Yes..I have two AF5X links as PTP and 25 radios all in 5 GHz off 4 APs in > Fabens, Texas sharing spectrum with 3 WISPs...no issues... > > Jaime Solorza > > On Feb 12, 2018 4:32 PM, "Chu

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2018-02-12 Thread Chuck McCown
I never use an AF5X anywhere. I used Orthogon when they first came out and had good luck. From: Jon Langeler Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 4:47 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp He’ll need some frequency separation. Hey I thought you would’ve know all this stuff a long

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2018-02-12 Thread Jon Langeler
olorza > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 4:41 PM > To: Animal Farm > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp > > Yes..I have two AF5X links as PTP and 25 radios all in 5 GHz off 4 APs in > Fabens, Texas sharing spectrum with 3 WISPs...no issues... > > Jaime Solorza > >> On

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2018-02-12 Thread Chuck McCown
All on the same tower, right? From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 4:41 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp Yes..I have two AF5X links as PTP and 25 radios all in 5 GHz off 4 APs in Fabens, Texas sharing spectrum with 3 WISPs...no issues... Jaime Solorza On Feb

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2018-02-12 Thread Jaime Solorza
Yes..I have two AF5X links as PTP and 25 radios all in 5 GHz off 4 APs in Fabens, Texas sharing spectrum with 3 WISPs...no issues... Jaime Solorza On Feb 12, 2018 4:32 PM, "Chuck McCown" wrote: > Talking to a friend that wants to build a small wisp. He is about 5.5 > miles