Some solutions, especially in game theory, REQUIRE the use of random number generators. If they are simulatable, then they definitely are NOT random.
Steve On Jun 26, 2018 1:47 AM, "Giacomo Spigler via AGI" <agi@agi.topicbox.com> wrote: > > That's an interesting point, however: > > 1) it wouldn't be a closed environment, as progress could/would involve alternation between work performed inside the simulation (progress given the current state of the art and computational resources) and outside the simulation (performing experiments designed inside the simulation, building the newly designed hardware and computers to improve the computational capacity). Also note that even if no development was performed inside the simulation, if Moore's law holds, the same simulation could be sped up exponentially over time, so that it may still reach extreme temporal speedups within a few decades. > > 2) the simulation needs not simulate the whole external world. A simulation restricted to a relatively small volume (e.g., Baxter (2001) ) would suffice, as well as an imperfect simulation. > Notably, scientific and engineering development already benefits from "simulated" design, at least for part of the process. Also, some research endeavours such as in philosophy, mathematics or computer science do not need access to the real world. > > I also like Mark's thought on the implications of these points to the Simulation Hypothesis! > > Cheers, > Giacomo > > > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 5:15 AM, Matt Mahoney via AGI < agi@agi.topicbox.com> wrote: >> Recursive self improvement in a closed environment is not possible because intelligence depends on knowledge and computing power. These can only come from outside the simulation. >> >> Nor can any simulation model the outside world exactly because Wolpert's theorem prohibits two computers from mutually simulating each other even if each computer has the other's source code and initial state as input. Proof: suppose the two computers played rock scissors and each could predict the other's next move by simulating them. Who wins? >> >> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018, 8:51 AM Giacomo Spigler via AGI < agi@agi.topicbox.com> wrote: >>> Hi everybody, >>> >>> some of you may be interested in a philosophical / futurological paper in which I propose a new “Temporal Singularity” as a special instance of the Technological Singularity, that was accepted at AGI-18 and that I will present there in August. The idea has interesting implications for the Fermi Paradox, both in terms of potential Great Filters ahead of us and in terms of the possible development of advanced intelligent civilizations and their potential desire to communicate or colonize the galaxy. >>> >>> Title: “The Temporal Singularity: time-accelerated simulated civilizations and their implications” >>> <https://arxiv.org/abs/1806.08561> >>> https://arxiv.org/abs/1806.08561 <https://arxiv.org/abs/1806.08561> *>>>* *>>> Abstract.* Provided significant future progress in artificial intelligence and computing, it may ultimately be possible to create multiple Artificial General Intelligences (AGIs), and possibly entire societies living within simulated environments. In that case, it should be possible to improve the problem solving capabilities of the system by increasing the speed of the simulation. If a minimal simulation with sufficient capabilities is created, it might manage to increase its own speed by accelerating progress in science and technology, in a way similar to the Technological Singularity. This may ultimately lead to large simulated civilizations unfolding at extreme temporal speedups, achieving what from the outside would look like a Temporal Singularity. Here we discuss the feasibility of the minimal simulation and the potential advantages, dangers, and connection to the Fermi paradox of the Temporal Singularity. The medium-term importance of the topic derives from the amount of computational power required to start the process, which could be available within the next decades, making the Temporal Singularity theoretically possible before the end of the century. >>> >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> Giacomo Spigler >>> >>> > > Artificial General Intelligence List <https://agi.topicbox.com/latest> / AGI / see discussions <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi> + participants <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/members> + delivery options <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups> Permalink <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T81817474dba9a838-Mcc1d0f47af7d817a7410bd26> ------------------------------------------ Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T81817474dba9a838-Mfa36794e0760c500db498527 Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups
