Re: [agi] General Intelligence vs. no-free-lunch theorem

2020-02-04 Thread Nanograte Knowledge Technologies
Hi Danko Tricky question. I think the a-linear properties of general intelligence have the potential to contradict NFL. I don't see that as being a significant problem for the development of AGI. I've probably spent the last 22 years working in this space. As posited, NFL presents as a hard

Re: [agi] General Intelligence vs. no-free-lunch theorem

2020-02-04 Thread Matt Mahoney
On Tue, Feb 4, 2020, 4:12 PM Danko Nikolic wrote: > " If there was no free lunch, then all the particles in the universe would > have the same laws or random laws. " > > This is not true. There is no-free-lunch in everyday application of > machine learning. When one finds out that one type of

Re: [agi] General Intelligence vs. no-free-lunch theorem

2020-02-04 Thread immortal . discoveries
As soon as we find a better AI than deep learning and markov models, it'll be "good" across many datasets, like we are lol. A larger system can have more context, so yes a larger brain will always be smarter than a smaller but as high-tech brain, they are same tech but one has more data/speed.

Re: [agi] General Intelligence vs. no-free-lunch theorem

2020-02-04 Thread immortal . discoveries
You say one model performs great on real life dataset A but poorly on another such B, while another model performs great on B but poorly on A. Take a look at what your meaning of Great and Poorly mean. There is indeed a certain model/brain that is the Better Great one we seek/want over all

Re: [agi] Re: Real AGI Brain

2020-02-04 Thread Matt Mahoney
On Tue, Feb 4, 2020, 8:26 AM stefan.reich.maker.of.eye via AGI < agi@agi.topicbox.com> wrote: > > It means predicting text as well as a human. > > So you would basically design blank-space test (a text with missing > words), check how well humans do on that one and then do the same with >

Re: [agi] General Intelligence vs. no-free-lunch theorem

2020-02-04 Thread Danko Nikolic
" If there was no free lunch, then all the particles in the universe would have the same laws or random laws. " This is not true. There is no-free-lunch in everyday application of machine learning. When one finds out that one type of model performs better than another type of model (e.g., Bayes

Re: [agi] Re: Real AGI Brain

2020-02-04 Thread immortal . discoveries
No Stefan, we know humans are really good predictors, the actual test is to make a really good predictor for text so that your compression is extremely high and so that it usually has a high probability for the next letter or bit to predict that it should predict during decompression in a

Re: [agi] General Intelligence vs. no-free-lunch theorem

2020-02-04 Thread immortal . discoveries
Last night I came up with a short way to say my point: If there was no free lunch, then all the particles in the universe would have the same laws or random laws. What I mean is physics works a certain way, Earth is evolving a certain way, and this path that it favors is the Ride we get for

Re: [agi] General Intelligence vs. no-free-lunch theorem

2020-02-04 Thread Matthew Ikle
Ben, Links to both Arthur Franz’s video and slides are on the AGI-19 website here: http://agi-conf.org/2019/schedule/ —matt > On Feb 4, 2020, at 5:01 AM, Ben Goertzel wrote: > > See also Arthur Franz's work on biasing AIXI (Hutter's > infinite-resources theoretical totally general AGI)

Re: [agi] General Intelligence vs. no-free-lunch theorem

2020-02-04 Thread WriterOfMinds
"It was more of just a thing to say to counteract the general saying which I don't like. Being born was a free lunch, I didn't pay for it! Oh wait, and I didn't pay for meals the next years either. So there are free lunches!" *Somebody* paid for your birth, and all those lunches.  It just

[agi] Call for Papers :International Conference on Artificial Intelligence and Big Data (AIBD 2020)

2020-02-04 Thread alfialeo
International Conference on Artificial Intelligence and Big Data (AIBD 2020)April 25~26, 2020, Copenhagen, Denmarkhttps://acsty2020.org/aibd/index.htmlScopeInternational Conference on Artificial Intelligence and Big Data (AIBD 2020) will provide an excellent international forum for sharing

[agi] Computer Algebra Systems and AlphaGo

2020-02-04 Thread James Bowery
https://sourceforge.net/p/maxima/mailman/message/36324684/ Excerpting from a protracted discussion to a question I had about Maxima's "Simplify" options: > Go's 19x19 board permits 3 states per position resulting in the equivalent > of 572 bits of information.  A mathematical expression using 6

Re: [agi] General Intelligence vs. no-free-lunch theorem

2020-02-04 Thread Danko Nikolic
I'll buy you a lunch if we ever meet in person. So, you can count this one too. Danko On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 2:31 PM stefan.reich.maker.of.eye via AGI < agi@agi.topicbox.com> wrote: > > Please tell me about the best one you had. > > It was more of just a thing to say to counteract the general

Re: [agi] General Intelligence vs. no-free-lunch theorem

2020-02-04 Thread keghnfeem
Expending energy to get more energy.  Expending energy to reduce the lose of energy. NFL explained in two lines. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T353f2000d499d93b-M499012e817b9628258280476 Delivery

Re: [agi] General Intelligence vs. no-free-lunch theorem

2020-02-04 Thread stefan.reich.maker.of.eye via AGI
> Please tell me about the best one you had. It was more of just a thing to say to counteract the general saying which I don't like. Being born was a free lunch, I didn't pay for it! Oh wait, and I didn't pay for meals the next years either. So there are free lunches!

Re: [agi] General Intelligence vs. no-free-lunch theorem

2020-02-04 Thread stefan.reich.maker.of.eye via AGI
>  Ignore Stefan :-D What? I was the first one to criticize the "theorem". It's a trivially true observation about fully random sequences, isn't it? Which are not of particular interest, as ALL WE DO in AI is look at NON random sequences. Or am I confused here?

Re: [agi] Re: Real AGI Brain

2020-02-04 Thread stefan.reich.maker.of.eye via AGI
> It means predicting text as well as a human.  So you would basically design blank-space test (a text with missing words), check how well humans do on that one and then do the same with computers. Are any of those tests online? -- Artificial General

Re: [agi] General Intelligence vs. no-free-lunch theorem

2020-02-04 Thread Ben Goertzel
See also Arthur Franz's work on biasing AIXI (Hutter's infinite-resources theoretical totally general AGI) toward our physical universe. He gave a great talk on this at AGI-19 in Shenzhen in August, and the video may unfortunately not be online yet, but I think he has a PDF paper on this posted

Re: [agi] General Intelligence vs. no-free-lunch theorem

2020-02-04 Thread Danko Nikolic
Hi Ben, Thanks for that information. Let me mull over it. Danko On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 9:57 AM Ben Goertzel wrote: > Are you familiar with Marcus Hutter's work on Universal AI? > > The general message there is: Truly, fully general intelligence is > only feasible with infinite computing

Re: [agi] Re: Understanding Compression

2020-02-04 Thread John Rose
On Monday, February 03, 2020, at 3:32 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > Less than 8.7 x 10^244 bits. That's the square of the Bekenstein bound of a > black hole with a Schwartzchild radius equal to the Hubble radius,13.8 > billion light years. Edit distance expressed as the shortest program that >

Re: [agi] General Intelligence vs. no-free-lunch theorem

2020-02-04 Thread Ben Goertzel
Are you familiar with Marcus Hutter's work on Universal AI? The general message there is: Truly, fully general intelligence is only feasible with infinite computing power. However, that's not really what matters in our physical universe, let alone in the human world here on Earth... Eons ago I

Re: [agi] Re: General Intelligence vs. no-free-lunch theorem

2020-02-04 Thread Danko Nikolic
" Maybe you didn't understand me Danko. To say it again: It's not about which system/machine is more general or better, it's about what plays out in physics of Earth." I think you are not taking into account the fact that 1) logistic regression, decision tree and a convolutional neural

Re: [agi] Re: General Intelligence vs. no-free-lunch theorem

2020-02-04 Thread Danko Nikolic
You say: " i dont believe there isnt a solution " and " there is solutions ". But this is what theorems do--they tell you that a statement is valid for a broad range of conditions without you having to go try every single condition. For example, Pythagora's theorem tells you that in a triangle, c2