Re: [agi] How does a machine "understand"? What is your definition of "understanding" for an AGI?

2021-07-17 Thread immortal . discoveries
;p Ya but in the end poem or not it is just predicting the past from matching: _why_ did the turtle cross the road ? the turtle was hungry and saw some taccos steamin hot, it crossed the road -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink:

Re: [agi] How does a machine "understand"? What is your definition of "understanding" for an AGI?

2021-07-16 Thread Mike Archbold
On 7/16/21, doddy wrote: > to understand is to explain why something is the way it is. > is to be able to explain why you did something. > is to be able to explain why others did things. > Thanks. I like this one -- it's like a poem > > On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 11:28 AM Brett N Martensen >

Re: [agi] How does a machine "understand"? What is your definition of "understanding" for an AGI?

2021-07-16 Thread Mike Archbold
On 7/15/21, Brett N Martensen wrote: > Gadi Singer, VP of Intel Labs, who leads their cognitive computing research > has a definition of understanding at 16:00 minutes into his recent video > presentation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqfizAySe0E=1538s > The video is worth listening to all the

Re: [agi] How does a machine "understand"? What is your definition of "understanding" for an AGI?

2021-07-16 Thread doddy
to understand is to explain why something is the way it is. is to be able to explain why you did something. is to be able to explain why others did things. On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 11:28 AM Brett N Martensen wrote: > Gadi Singer, VP of Intel Labs, who leads their cognitive computing > research

Re: [agi] How does a machine "understand"? What is your definition of "understanding" for an AGI?

2021-07-15 Thread Brett N Martensen
Gadi Singer, VP of Intel Labs, who leads their cognitive computing research has a definition of understanding at 16:00 minutes into his recent video presentation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqfizAySe0E=1538s The video is worth listening to all the way through.

Re: [agi] How does a machine "understand"? What is your definition of "understanding" for an AGI?

2021-07-12 Thread Quan Tesla
When an AGI, at its own volition, using a behavioural rule set for a situation, which ruleset it developed from experience alone - would recognize it's own mistake and be able to make corrections - it would have demonstrated a notion of "understanding". In practice, this would be 1 step short of

Re: [agi] How does a machine "understand"? What is your definition of "understanding" for an AGI?

2021-07-12 Thread Daniel Jue
Mike, I'll save you the trouble, I just typed it up this morning for my zettelkasten. There may be some typos and I don't include the references. Cheers Feeling, Thinking, Knowing By [[louis-arnaud-reid]] In an article on [[carl-jung]], James Hillman writes that at the end of the century "

Re: [agi] How does a machine "understand"? What is your definition of "understanding" for an AGI?

2021-07-11 Thread immortal . discoveries
(Well, RL/ reflexes are in a sense learnt patterns really. And yeah, I consider RL sensory, motor is just motors, totally controlled by senses, no RL for them to work with.) -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink:

Re: [agi] How does a machine "understand"? What is your definition of "understanding" for an AGI?

2021-07-11 Thread immortal . discoveries
Predicting truth is one thing, like GPT-2. Predicting hope is another thing, RL. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/Tf91e2eafa2515120-M2e85d130176ba31d16665c73 Delivery options:

Re: [agi] How does a machine "understand"? What is your definition of "understanding" for an AGI?

2021-07-11 Thread immortal . discoveries
Text/image/sound prediction is guided by reward, so if you make it favor the word 'cheese', it will tend to predict cheese a lot more. It's just a simple adjustment permanently to the weights. It makes you say something for no reason, just instinct - to solve global warming, using fries, sleep,

Re: [agi] How does a machine "understand"? What is your definition of "understanding" for an AGI?

2021-07-11 Thread Mike Archbold
On 7/9/21, Daniel Jue wrote: > > In a 1977 paper by Louis Arnaud Reid in the Proceedings of the Aristotelian > Society #77 "Thinking, Feeling, Knowing" doi 10.1093/aristotelian/77.1.165 > , the author gives a (IMO) great argument about how "feeling" (not > necessarily those marked by noticeable

Re: [agi] How does a machine "understand"? What is your definition of "understanding" for an AGI?

2021-07-10 Thread cognomad
Understanding is recognition. Which is a lossless component of compression from comparing input to template. That's all there is to it, and it applies to countless other words that mean the same thing.  -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI

Re: [agi] How does a machine "understand"? What is your definition of "understanding" for an AGI?

2021-07-10 Thread Mike Archbold
Thanks everybody. I will be publishing my survey w/ the event. Peter -- I remembered your work on understanding and the link Thank you. On 7/10/21, Roman Kofman wrote: > Understanding is the skill of the machine. Machine X understands Y if it > can determine the completeness and consistency

Re: [agi] How does a machine "understand"? What is your definition of "understanding" for an AGI?

2021-07-10 Thread Roman Kofman
Understanding is the skill of the machine. Machine X understands Y if it can determine the completeness and consistency of Y according to its internal application domain model. The AGI application area is the real world. In simple words, understanding is the ability to determine whether something

Re: [agi] How does a machine "understand"? What is your definition of "understanding" for an AGI?

2021-07-10 Thread keghnfeem
Understanding is the editing distance between data points and the distance of objects on a traveling map, done by a conscious mind. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink:

Re: [agi] How does a machine "understand"? What is your definition of "understanding" for an AGI?

2021-07-10 Thread immortal . discoveries
On Saturday, July 10, 2021, at 2:25 AM, Daniel Jue wrote: > In an analogy, commonly seen in optical illusions, a layperson cannot > understand nor explain why we see black dots on a grid illusion.  Certain > pattern matchers which were triggered in the optical processing region are > not able

Re: [agi] How does a machine "understand"? What is your definition of "understanding" for an AGI?

2021-07-10 Thread immortal . discoveries
On Friday, July 09, 2021, at 8:18 PM, Peter Voss wrote: > https://chatbotslife.com/understanding-understanding-9dcc15759b5b  > I don't know if you know this and simply gave many views of the same thing, but just in case not: All of the listed points in that link are the same thing, the knowing

Re: [agi] How does a machine "understand"? What is your definition of "understanding" for an AGI?

2021-07-10 Thread Matt Mahoney
You understand a sequence of symbols if you can predict or compress them. If I wanted to test if you understand Chinese, I would show you some Chinese text and test how many characters you could guess next. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI

Re: [agi] How does a machine "understand"? What is your definition of "understanding" for an AGI?

2021-07-10 Thread Daniel Jue
Thanks for the question Mike. My opinion on understanding, which is still evolving: Understanding is one aspect of a conscious being, closest to knowing, but also including thinking, feeling, intuition and emotion. Some claim these are inseparable, or that separating them limits the types of

[agi] How does a machine "understand"? What is your definition of "understanding" for an AGI?

2021-07-09 Thread Mike Archbold
You've got an opinion. We all do! I'm doing a survey of opinions about "understanding" for the meetup --> https://www.meetup.com/Northwest-Artificial-General-Intelligence-Meetup-Group/ 2 events are envisioned this summer: 1) Survey -- discuss tribal opinions in the AGI community as well as