Re: [agi] Re: It is sometimes useful to expand data before compressing it

2021-04-26 Thread John Rose
An AGI can learn to decompress data where the compressor is unknown or partially known to it. IMO a conscious AGI can learn to decompress more efficiently data that was compressed by another similarly conscious entity. Compression and consciousness effect communication protocol. IOW compressed

Re: [agi] Re: It is sometimes useful to expand data before compressing it

2021-04-22 Thread stefan.reich.maker.of.eye via AGI
On Thursday, April 22, 2021, at 3:59 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > Sort of. A FFT requires dividing up the audio samples into blocks. The > cochlea instead applies bandpass filters to produce an array of continuous > signals. Is there a standard algorithm for doing the same thing in place of an FFT?

Re: [agi] Re: It is sometimes useful to expand data before compressing it

2021-04-22 Thread James Bowery
On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 8:54 AM Matt Mahoney wrote: > ... You can't test for consciousness. > That depends on how you define it. Who has pulled a Shane Legg on "definitions of consciousness" the way he did on definitions of intelligence? > It is common to expand data to compress better. > Ve

Re: [agi] Re: It is sometimes useful to expand data before compressing it

2021-04-22 Thread immortal . discoveries
A 2nd use of the word compress exists here though - yes brains do compress data into a brain, lookup Trie Tree. This allows the brain to make new predictions that are correct. It also allows you to compress a file by storing the errors in your predictions as a long code so upon decompression you

Re: [agi] Re: It is sometimes useful to expand data before compressing it

2021-04-22 Thread Matt Mahoney
On Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 9:46 AM stefan.reich.maker.of.eye via AGI < agi@agi.topicbox.com> wrote: > I always thought that an FFT is the most likely first step in speech > recognition, seeing as you can almost recognize it visually from a 2D > frequency/time plot as a human. > Sort of. A FFT requires

Re: [agi] Re: It is sometimes useful to expand data before compressing it

2021-04-22 Thread Matt Mahoney
Just a few comments on this thread. The difference between predicting and understanding is that one requires consciousness. In other words, there is no difference. We use prediction to test understanding. You can't test for consciousness. Brains don't compress, they predict. You can only compress

[agi] Re: It is sometimes useful to expand data before compressing it

2021-04-22 Thread stefan.reich.maker.of.eye via AGI
I always thought that an FFT is the most likely first step in speech recognition, seeing as you can almost recognize it visually from a 2D frequency/time plot as a human. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/grou

[agi] Re: It is sometimes useful to expand data before compressing it

2021-04-22 Thread Jim Bromer
There are no vectors in the use of CNNs to detect spoken keywords that I mentioned in the first post. I only mentioned vector spaces after immortal.discoveries mentioned something about recognition of various sizes. I guess bringing vector spaces into the discussion was a mistake on my part. I

[agi] Re: It is sometimes useful to expand data before compressing it

2021-04-21 Thread Jim Bromer
All the vectors in a vector space that contain a magnitude could be multiplied by a constant in order to scale it.  Similarly, the directions of all the vectors could be rotated by a constant in order to rotate the image or objects defined by the vectors.  If the vector space is in more than 2 d

[agi] Re: It is sometimes useful to expand data before compressing it

2021-04-21 Thread immortal . discoveries
This sounds like just any algorithm though lol, Word2vec essentially learns dog is similar to cat by X amount, it stores or at least in my view stores their shared contexts in a tree, hence bloating up RAM like weee, ok not that bad but does expand, then this helps tons for compression. AI does

[agi] Re: It is sometimes useful to expand data before compressing it

2021-04-21 Thread Jim Bromer
To put in a more abstract form, some useful data that can be sensed from nature is effectively compressed and therefore would have to be decompressed (expanded) in order to extract it so that it could then be compressed in another form. AI is not just an entry in a compressor contest, it is abou

[agi] Re: It is sometimes useful to expand data before compressing it

2021-04-21 Thread immortal . discoveries
But yes a brain is what does the compression, whether it is using the brain or using its hands to group the similar articles in a group, it's all pattern finding! It's all brain intelligence that works faster than slow brute force. -- Artificial General Int

[agi] Re: It is sometimes useful to expand data before compressing it

2021-04-21 Thread immortal . discoveries
Oh and furthermore I believe AGI IS the bext compressor because it can do a BETTER JOB than me at trying to find out how to do tricks n flicks on the file to compress it more! HAHAHA!!! :P -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi

[agi] Re: It is sometimes useful to expand data before compressing it

2021-04-21 Thread immortal . discoveries
I explain it fully in my AGI handbook though :D. earth e a r t h e  a  r  t  h htrae e a r t h are all Earth In vision, a tiny boat is recognized as a big boat if you see a tiny boat for the first time and only know in memory a big boat. And you can fill in the rest of the image if only see ha

[agi] Re: It is sometimes useful to expand data before compressing it

2021-04-21 Thread Jim Bromer
Not all 'integral' objects can be recognized from visual edge filters. Some years ago I gave myself a few days to make an edge detector myself and I got amazing results where a person or an solid object was a different color and contrasted against the background. But when the pixels were mixed u

[agi] Re: It is sometimes useful to expand data before compressing it

2021-04-21 Thread Jim Bromer
I am not familiar with what you are talking about. Can it be used for simple speech recognition? -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/Td08f1cb9cdd5e5d9-M6599963555a6cfd2a123820f Delivery options: https:

[agi] Re: It is sometimes useful to expand data before compressing it

2021-04-21 Thread immortal . discoveries
You're going to have to explain this better.I'm not 'seein it'.Look how easy I can explain image recognition - convert an image into lines using a sobel line filter, predict the next pixels, but with a distance pattern recognizer i.e. you know the memory ex. 'boat' and see 'b--o--?' and