Re: [agi] The reality onion...

2018-07-24 Thread Nanograte Knowledge Technologies via AGI
integration). Thus, the onion should remain effective as a stable system. Rob From: Steve Richfield via AGI Sent: Tuesday, 24 July 2018 12:21 AM To: AGI Subject: Re: [agi] The reality onion... John, The big thing you are missing (besides the absence of trans

Re: [agi] The reality onion...

2018-07-23 Thread Steve Richfield via AGI
John, The big thing you are missing (besides the absence of trans-dimensional technology) is that each layer defends itself against inner layers as though its life depends on it - which it does. This is what creates and maintains the onion architecture. Some future AGI would have no access to

Re: [agi] The reality onion...

2018-07-22 Thread Steve Richfield via AGI
A key feature of the onion I described was to delineate what various people/entities control, and what controls them. Then, applying high intelligence, there is some limited ability to reach into the next outer layer of the onion. To illustrate, two of my three kids had grabs for exclusive

Re: [agi] The reality onion...

2018-07-22 Thread johnrose
Watched this Kafkaesque movie last eve called "Enemy" and this message thread for some bizarre reason reminds me of the beginning script: "It's all about control. Every dictatorship has one obsession, and that's it. So, in ancient Rome, they gave the people bread and circuses. They kept the

Re: [agi] The reality onion...

2018-07-22 Thread johojo
Or take a look at this treatment of nested layers of "reality":  http://www.spotops.net/MO/encoding_att'l_focus.pdf -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T2c15e9dba869b3f0-M6dbebd9fb9649a337dc7c5b6

Re: [agi] The reality onion...

2018-07-22 Thread Linas Vepstas via AGI
This tweet-blog explains life+ai/agi http://eepurl.com/dwU-YH On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 6:13 AM, MP via AGI wrote: > Allow me to propose an alternate onion, starting with the innermost layer: > > 1. You. > 2. Your family. > 3. Your race. > 4. Your species. > 5. All forms of life. > 6. All forms

Re: [agi] The reality onion...

2018-07-22 Thread MP via AGI
Allow me to propose an alternate onion, starting with the innermost layer: 1. You. 2. Your family. 3. Your race. 4. Your species. 5. All forms of life. 6. All forms of matter. 7. The spiritual self. 8. That which binds all together ad infinitum AGI would fit ether as an augmentation of layers,

Re: [agi] The reality onion...

2018-07-21 Thread Mark Nuzz via AGI
I would think that a far more detailed explanation of this topology should be provided before any productive discussions could take form. On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 10:16 PM, Steve Richfield via AGI < agi@agi.topicbox.com> wrote: > I seems that reality is organized somewhat like an onion... > > In

[agi] The reality onion...

2018-07-21 Thread Steve Richfield via AGI
I seems that reality is organized somewhat like an onion... In the center are children. The next layer is parents and family. Then comes business. Around this are political leaders in several layers. Above politics are the super-rich who operate our bribocracy. At the very top are ET/UFO who