Re: [agi] All Compression is Lossy, More or Less

2021-11-09 Thread John Rose
On Tuesday, November 09, 2021, at 11:17 AM, James Bowery wrote: > If you randomize the wrong literals, you may find >>>for some purposes<<< the > resulting output to be of less >>>value<<<.  It all depends on the value > function of your decision tree. Yes, for example the category of "visually

Re: [agi] All Compression is Lossy, More or Less

2021-11-09 Thread James Bowery
All algorithmic information entails "two parts" (as in "two part messages" a phrase frequently appearing in this context) just as all computer programs entail instructions and literals in their executable images. So let's talk about two different algorithms that output the same set of

Re: [agi] Re: Mentifex deifies AGI God Xi Jinping

2021-11-09 Thread A.T. Murray
https://ai.neocities.org/Genius.html#7mx51jogulp21.jpg -- TopMindOfChina On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 4:21 AM John Rose wrote: > “We have two lives, and the second begins when we realize we only have > one.” - Confucius > *Artificial General Intelligence List * > /

Re: [agi] All Compression is Lossy, More or Less

2021-11-09 Thread John Rose
On Tuesday, November 09, 2021, at 9:06 AM, James Bowery wrote: > First of all, in the word "value" you finally touch on the relevant > characteristic of lossy compression that brings them into confluence with > sensors and measurement:  the value function that drives both evolution and > AGI's

Re: [agi] All Compression is Lossy, More or Less

2021-11-09 Thread James Bowery
On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 6:08 AM John Rose wrote: > ...It is less obvious that there is not a sharp boundary among all > compressors with the data they compress that are classified exclusively as > either lossy or lossless implemented in physical reality. These > compressions have value too for

Re: [agi] All Compression is Lossy, More or Less

2021-11-09 Thread John Rose
I posit all previous compressive actions can be classified as lossy or lossless.  Verses classifying compressors themselves. Though there are issues there to argh -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink:

[agi] Re: Mentifex deifies AGI God Xi Jinping

2021-11-09 Thread John Rose
“We have two lives, and the second begins when we realize we only have one.” -  Confucius -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T0488de34ca57151a-M49bdcde49c8730715b7a6b86 Delivery options:

Re: [agi] All Compression is Lossy, More or Less

2021-11-09 Thread John Rose
Yes, Matt it's obvious that there is a sharp boundary between the explicit a priori mathematical definitions of lossy and lossless. Everyone knows that. It is less obvious that there is not a sharp boundary among all compressors with the data they compress that are classified exclusively as