Re: [agi] The Computational Theory of Consciousness

2015-09-09 Thread Ben Goertzel
Aaron, > > Consciousness is *not "outside"* of reality. The reality you perceive is >> "implemented" *within *consciousness. > > > I bolded 3 words above. Please reconcile your apparent immediate > self-contradiction. > > Hmm -- What is the self-contradiction that you see here? I don't see it

Re: [agi] SP Theory of Intelligence, Wolff

2015-09-09 Thread Mike Archbold
I think SP means ~ like "Simple Powerful" or the like. Anyway, it has no particular bearing on the theory, I guess... thanks for the comment Boris. I have to read his more detailed paper (the appendix here is superficial). I did note the match/miss... On 9/10/15, martin biehl wrote: > I was

Re: [agi] SP Theory of Intelligence, Wolff

2015-09-09 Thread martin biehl
I was gonna ask you what SP stands for, but the guy doesn't even say it in the paper. Not that it is really important but it drives me nuts... On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 12:02 PM, Boris Kazachenko wrote: > He's been at it at least since 1995: > http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF03038313,

Re: [agi] SP Theory of Intelligence, Wolff

2015-09-09 Thread Boris Kazachenko
He's been at it at least since 1995: http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF03038313, I e-mailed him once back then. I agree with him on many generalities, except for "probabilistic" part, but I don't think it's anything novel. My main problem with these sequence-matching approaches is that

Re: [agi] The Computational Theory of Consciousness

2015-09-09 Thread Aleks
I wanted to leave a few comments regarding justcamel's latest posts. Actually this response is made for anyone on the mailing list who wants to read it. I've gotten a few emails from people here trying to share their unified theories of consciousness and physics with me, this post is for them too.

Re: [agi] The Computational Theory of Consciousness

2015-09-09 Thread Aaron Hosford
> > If you implement say a Hamiltonian solver within FPGA ... is the FPGA > outside of the solver? > > Is the information representing the WoW world outside of the WoW world? > > I don't see a self-contradiction? Apparently you prefer to talk about > semantics instead of exploring your consciousnes

RE: [agi] The Computational Theory of Consciousness

2015-09-09 Thread Nanograte Knowledge Technologies
Dear Ed My comment was aimed at Ben's paper. It has relevance for a notion I have of the existence of a quantum-based superstate system, which may connect the reasoning universe with the unreasoning universe. I have an idea that such a superstate system (a pure-quantum machine), may play a role

Re: [agi] Neurotransmitter mimicry in plants

2015-09-09 Thread TimTyler
On 2015-09-09 10:51, Bill Hibbard wrote: Very good. That is selection pressure on plants to affect humans and other animals. I am interested in possible selection pressure on human brains to be able to occasionally have a very changed (high) perspective on the world by ingesting plant chemicals

[agi] SP Theory of Intelligence, Wolff

2015-09-09 Thread Mike Archbold
I was reading Wolff's SP Theory of Intelligence, main themes: compression pattern-matching more symbolic, less neural netish minimum-mathematics probablistic I was wondering if anybody had comments on this work?? The paper is quite readable. It looks like this link was published today; my copy

Re: [agi] The Computational Theory of Consciousness

2015-09-09 Thread justcamel
If you implement say a Hamiltonian solver within FPGA ... is the FPGA outside of the solver? Is the information representing the WoW world outside of the WoW world? I don't see a self-contradiction? Apparently you prefer to talk about semantics instead of exploring your consciousness ... ;-)

Re: [agi] The Computational Theory of Consciousness

2015-09-09 Thread Aaron Hosford
> > I stated several times that you do not need drugs. Also, entheogens do not > expand your consciousness ... your consciousness is already "fully > expanded" ... they disable your local intellect and ego (the things which > distract you and prevent you from interacting with the larger reality) an

Re: [agi] The Computational Theory of Consciousness

2015-09-09 Thread justcamel
I stated several times that you do not need drugs. Also, entheogens do not expand your consciousness ... your consciousness is already "fully expanded" ... they disable your local intellect and ego (the things which distract you and prevent you from interacting with the larger reality) and thus

Re: [agi] The Computational Theory of Consciousness

2015-09-09 Thread Aaron Hosford
This reminds me of that joke about the mathematician and the fence. ( http://www-users.cs.york.ac.uk/susan/joke/3.htm) You are just redefining what is "outside". But if you were pitted against someone who took physical action while you work through your "free" consciousness, the one who took physic

Re: [agi] The Computational Theory of Consciousness

2015-09-09 Thread justcamel
p.s.: That's if I said: Being aware of the data structure behind WoW and having the required skills to access/alter said data structure (I don't know what kind of database/storage system WoW features) has no influence on WoW. It's just ridiculous. You wouldn't believe a single word if I told y

Re: [agi] The Computational Theory of Consciousness

2015-09-09 Thread justcamel
On 09.09.2015 19:57, Aaron Hosford wrote: p.s.: It will be really, really interesting to see what an AGI system will do ... considering that it will definitely understand all of this (evolution of consciousness, our purpose, etc.) much better than most of us. Most of our e

Re: [agi] The Computational Theory of Consciousness

2015-09-09 Thread Aaron Hosford
> > p.s.: It will be really, really interesting to see what an AGI system will > do ... considering that it will definitely understand all of this > (evolution of consciousness, our purpose, etc.) much better than most of us. > > Most of our expectations and extrapolations within the context of AGI

Re: [agi] The Computational Theory of Consciousness

2015-09-09 Thread EdFromNH .
Dear Nanograte Knowledge Technologies, (Prescript: I am cutting lines short because for some reason Gmail is not word wrapping this morning.) Since my theory says that computational awareness is the awareness of information required by the laws of physics, and since most, if not all, laws of phys

Re: [agi] Neurotransmitter mimicry in plants

2015-09-09 Thread Bill Hibbard
Very good. That is selection pressure on plants to affect humans and other animals. I am interested in possible selection pressure on human brains to be able to occasionally have a very changed (high) perspective on the world by ingesting plant chemicals. The ability to get high at times chosen b

Re: [agi] The Computational Theory of Consciousness

2015-09-09 Thread justcamel
p.s.: It will be really, really interesting to see what an AGI system will do ... considering that it will definitely understand all of this (evolution of consciousness, our purpose, etc.) much better than most of us. Most of our expectations and extrapolations within the context of AGI are pr

Re: [agi] The Computational Theory of Consciousness

2015-09-09 Thread justcamel
A Zen Master would probably tell you that your local, physical reality already represents the environment which optimally alters your consciousness. Learning takes a lot of time ... especially as we are living within a culture which mostly cherishes materialism, status and ego ... i.e. a cultur